satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Well if adding yeah, or if replacing...

[limpid cairn]

use smart splitters to filter out excess resources if you want that

[silk ocean]

Grasslands is basically Pipelands now

How do you need that many pipes anyway xD

[glad drum]

Your world is so beautiful

You really gotta make a walkthrough video or something to show it off

[hidden sparrow]

i have a total of 300 nuclear reators and only use pure receipes

[silk ocean]

Ah right, a lot more than I can see xD

[hidden sparrow]

mmmm considering

[slow canyon]

guys so I am currently building my first ever petrolenergie stations and my machine produces 40 per minute and I have 2 Generators hooked up and I wanna split 20/20 but it doesnt work

[hidden sparrow]

just lemme get a full view from the map website

[glad drum]

I'm currently working on my homage to Let's Game It Out's conveyor tornado

[shrewd palm]

i should have done this with overflow splitters first i think ngl

[hidden sparrow]

#screenshots message got a drunker tornado

[glad drum]

I unironically really love that holy shit that's beautiful

Mine is still a WIP - I started GIRTHY but I kinda wanna progress now so I may call it and finish it off now #screenshots message
edit: scaffolding catwalks are temporary

[hidden sparrow]

#screenshots message @glad drum

[vapid pewter]

is the game gonna be crossplay when it comes to xbox and ps?

[hidden sparrow]

yuh

[silk ocean]

Okay I think that is the most plumbing I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot on Reddit lol

[glad drum]

i fuckin love it dude you're a true pioneer

I'm trying not to clip in my world so it's tough maintaining appropriate levels of jank

plus only just got to steel so I've got a ways to go

[hidden sparrow]

just sent my waste disposal image

red zone means max radiations damage

[glad drum]

that's a lot of 6 eyed fish

[hidden sparrow]

anyway time for me to stack some more derailed trains on each other

[atomic notch]

Is this the water tower design ppl keep talkin about?

[hidden sparrow]

i hope it aint LMAO

[proud bough]

No

If someone talks about a water tower they're talking about a feature in the game that lets you ignore headlift

[atomic notch]

Ik what a water tower is lol

[proud bough]

If you take a single water pipe and build it into the sky then back down

[atomic notch]

Theres simpler ways to ignore headlift tho

[proud bough]

What you don't enjoy building a single pipe for each liguid to build height so you never have to deal with headlift anywhere else

[shrewd palm]

emergency waste disposal might have been a good idea to build

[proud bough]

Yeah I usually get plutonium cell production online before ramping up my nuclear power

[shrewd palm]

i did but im backing up on waste because my stator manifold is being wonky

[proud bough]

Then I can just sink the plutonium cells

[shrewd palm]

fixing it now but its gonna take a minute

[proud bough]

It's a good thing the reactors don't actually meltdown

[shrewd palm]

yes

[proud bough]

Backups just make things unliveable

[shrewd palm]

enough should still be running to keep everything online and i have batteries anyways

but i dont think the 50 or so batteries i have will last very long under the strain of 100GW of consumption

[atomic notch]

No i just build flat headlift is for losers

[proud bough]

Yeah my checklist for nuclear power usually has battery backup and plutonium production as top priorities

[proud bough]

Nah I like recreating new york

[shrewd palm]

i've got all that going, even have a system to send plutonium around the world to use as fuel

[proud bough]

Skyscrapers and concrete

[plain gate]

wait wtf theres conveyor curve modes now?!

this is cursed..

[proud bough]

Yep

[rustic hare]

basically manifold the fluid and wait for it to equalize

[shrewd palm]

honestly it looks really good

[proud bough]

How long it been since you played last

[slow canyon]

it just doesnt why does the game put all the fuel in the longer pipelines

[plain gate]

it's really trippy lol i've always built conveyor 90 deg angles

[plain gate]

0.8

[atomic notch]

I got a massive water source on a cliff i can just pull from that

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message really nice for big busses i think

[plain gate]

a bit of 1.0

[proud bough]

We're full release now

We have more hypahtoob parts and auto connecting blueprints now

Oooooh and elevators

With swanky music

[toxic crypt]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b72b4bdbe2e46a549b0cb9 that´s what i call a good suggestion XD

[atomic notch]

Hahaha

Just what need for this game

[topaz shale]

What in the world lol Almost looks like a bot wrote it.

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

does this work at a 4:4 load balancer?

[toxic crypt]

the guy is spamming it so probably is a bot

[solid storm]

What exactly does it mean when part of a pipeline turns purple (color) and you flush it?

[atomic notch]

Purple is hevy oil residue

[green fiber]

color is the fluid inside

[solid storm]

should I worry about it?

[green fiber]

are you putting heavy oil into it?

[solid storm]

yes

[atomic notch]

Its good

[green fiber]

then you shouldnt worry.
Heavy oil is just purple

and you can see it in the pipe

[solid storm]

ok, thanks guys

[atomic notch]

But you gotta process it so you dont gotta keep flushing it

[proud bough]

Yeah flushing is to get rid of a liquid that shouldn't be there

[solid storm]

processing it into packed fuel

[proud bough]

Like if you accidentally got water in a HOR pipe

[atomic notch]

Or switching productions. Kinda just qol so u donnt gotta rebuild ir

[slow canyon]

bro someone help me with making a 20/20 split fuel into generators

[reef basin]

hard to see where belts go, but my first question would be why do you want such balancer?

[reef basin]

use pipeline junction to split it

[slow canyon]

it makes it even worse then all the fuel goes to the left side and right side is just dead

[proud bough]

Then you need to use junctions to inject more fuel

[ripe basin]

I dont understand people that capitalize first letter of every word

[reef basin]

fill all the pipes first

[reef basin]

germans

[proud bough]

If some of em aren't getting fuel it's cause you don't have enough

[slow canyon]

Im producing 40

and one takes 20

[limpid cairn]

auto correction

[ripe basin]

Huh?

[proud bough]

Do you have anywhere else connected to that line

[slow canyon]

nowhere just 2 generators

[proud bough]

Hmmmmmm interesting

[limpid cairn]

autocorrection on my phone changes every first letter in a sentence into a capital letter since its the correct way of making sentences in my language

[scenic mirage]

i have an aluminum factory with 4 conveyor outputs and im running them to smelters

[slow canyon]

its like the pipes from the generator is getting sucked dry to the other one

[ripe basin]

Understandable

[proud bough]

Do you have them over clocked

[slow canyon]

no

[proud bough]

Okay

[upper gale]

Delete all the pipes and junctions. Place your junctions first and then connect the pipes after. Helps avoid some problems

[proud bough]

Try it

[atomic notch]

If ur makin 40 and using 40 you gotta let the pipes fill otherwise production will lag.if you make like 45 it will fill on its own

[cunning glade]

how long does one gas mask filter last

[proud bough]

Depends

[cunning glade]

on

[proud bough]

On rad level

[cunning glade]

rad????

[proud bough]

Max rad level is like 30s I think

[cunning glade]

what

im talking gas

[ripe basin]

Gas mask filters

[proud bough]

Mb

[cunning glade]

all good

[atomic notch]

Ionized filter* depends on concentration

[reef basin]

run each output to the amount of smelters it can feed

[proud bough]

I thought the radiation filter for the mask

[cunning glade]

going too a quartz cave near northen forest

[atomic notch]

Idk the exact numbers but i think it was like 2.5 a minute at max or smth?

[slow canyon]

i overclocked it to 45 and it still doesnt work

[cunning glade]

need gas mask dont wanna bring not enough

[atomic notch]

Its gonna take a while

Still gotta let it fill

[proud bough]

You have to let the pipes backup

[cunning glade]

so that gives me 45mins

[white dawn]

1. Automate Gas Filter Production
2. Send to Depot
3. Occasionally drag a few more to your inventory! :)

[atomic notch]

5 a minute gotta fill all the internal buffers

[cunning glade]

i have a long list of stuff i wanna do

[proud bough]

Once the gen is at max storage cap then the pipes will back up and start feeding the other gen

[cunning glade]

my friend who is the explorer will do that cuz thats a great idea

[remote plank]

is it correct that the valve works the same as a check valve in real life restricting water flow the opposite way?

[upper gale]

1. bombs
2. blow up gas rock

[shrewd palm]

i think the waste issue has been fixed now

[proud bough]

Gotta remember that gen and production machines have internal buffers that you gotta fill before thing back up

[shrewd palm]

at least im making the correct amount of control rods now

[cunning glade]

huh

[proud bough]

Everything that has inputs has an amount of an item that it can store internally called the internal buffer

[atomic notch]

Pretty much. It also resets headlift iirc

[white dawn]

Valves should prevent liquid from flowing "backwards," yes. Though I recommend never using valves. Better to build pipe systems where they're unnecessary

[sullen token]

curious, has anyone made like a really tall tower filled with just biomass burners? ive managed to cramp 10 biomass burners together in a single mk1 blueprint in a stackable way, with 10 floors and every biomass burner overclocked it produces 7,500MW. im just wondering if anyone else has had the idea is all (also i thought of the idea and made it because it was fun to just mess around lol)

[proud bough]

Before items will start backing up on the conveyor or fluids will start backing up in pipes the machines internal buffer has to fill first

[atomic notch]

I got like 30 in a grid thats about it

[cunning glade]

yeah but why u telling me this

[proud bough]

Cause I just realized that may have been the issue

[sullen token]

ah alr

[topaz shale]

I certainly never had a need to have that many biomass burners. I don't think I could feed enough biomass to keep that going.

[remote plank]

i used them so that water cant flow back because i made a grid so that enough water can distribute to a line of coal generators

[placid stirrup]

Probably not, considering any and every future type of power plant would take 10x less time and logistical simplicity, plus no maintenance once it's complete

[proud bough]

The one gens internal buffer was taking the extra 20pm from the other gen

[atomic notch]

Id have to up my liquid biofuel production if i wanted more

[topaz shale]

And if you do need something to block flow, unpowered pumps work a bit better than valves though no idea why.

[proud bough]

I forget how much they can store internally but it should sort it self with time

[shrewd palm]

power augmenters go up to 30% boost when they have a power matrix right?

[rustic hare]

idk, I watch Kibitz's video and it seems he always place a valve at the byproduct part of the aluminum scrap production?

[white dawn]

Valves are definitely not needed to supply coal gens with water. If you have a pipe network which is having backflow issues, I recommend a looped manifold (#screenshots message ) instead of messing with valves, but you shouldn't run into that need with coal gens, in general

[upper gale]

Yeah 6-8 is enough to move on to coal

[white dawn]

For aluminum (or other fluid recycling), I always highly recommend just keeping the "fresh" and "recycled" pipe systems totally separate. Easier to set up, and zero time spent debugging potential issues with a mixed-pipe build

[sullen token]

ive found that if you cut down a lotta trees for only like 30ish minutes youll have plenty of leaves and wood to convert to liquid biofuel, not to mention the alien remains are effectively a 1:400 conversion from the remains to protein and protein to biomass (when slooped)

[placid stirrup]

That's one way to do it, and Kibz has a detailed understanding of the game so he understands (I hope) the impact of those. Other methods are more resilient

[white dawn]

You can certainly mix fresh+recycled, and a "VIP Junction" is one way to do that (and I think that does use a valve in there, yeah), but IMO it's better to keep your pipes as simple as possible

[sullen token]

thats valid

[white dawn]

(I've done plenty of mixed fresh+recycled in the past on older saves; it can definitely be done. I just eventually reached a point where I was tired of debugging pipe issues and so I just go for the simple + resilient solutions nowadays. Not that setting up mixed systems is difficult once you're used to it, but I just like having as few points of failure as possible now)

[remote plank]

can i show you a screenshot of what i did to explain

[atomic notch]

Theres a whole thing on valves in the wiki

[rustic hare]

yeah I keep mine seperate, I think he does too, but he still places a valve, not sure why. I haven't had a problem without valves, the only problem I have is the uneven water distribution then the refineries running on recycled water shuts down

[proud bough]

I actually did some concept work for a smart junction

[remote plank]

and wouldnt that loop manifold proritize 1 generator before the rest?

[white dawn]

A #1038092680493801533 thread would probably be best; can inline images there. :)

[white dawn]

Yeah, you can absolutely have working systems with valves. It's more just that there's always a way to do the pipes such that the valve is 100% superfluous, so I just do without. :)

[slow canyon]

so Im letting the pipe fill rn but it fills like 3 m³ and then something sucks some out of the pipe and it just goes on and on

[placid stirrup]

That's an inherent feature of manifolds; they prioritize machines/junctions closest to the input but eventually fill the entire system

[slow canyon]

NOW IT WORKS

[white dawn]

Once the pipes fill up, everything'll be getting what it needs (one of the other tips is: always pre-fill your pipes)

[slow canyon]

omg finally

[fair sandal]

Am I able to get help for moding in the #1038092680493801533 channel?

Or just ask general questions about it there

[atomic notch]

Maybe but its better to just go to the modding discord

[white dawn]

Although honestly for feeding coal gens, it's extremely rare to have to worry about sloshing and such; I don't think many people use looped manifolds for coal gens

[fair sandal]

Alr. I didn't know there was a separate one.

[white dawn]

(I do, just 'cause that's the habit I'm in and because that way all my pipes are standardized, but I suspect I'm an outlier. :)

[slow canyon]

and from where can I get polymer

[atomic notch]

I have never looped a pipe manifold

[placid stirrup]

I'll at least loop the two pipes in the standard coal plant configuration at the end

[red sun]

i tend to use modules for my coal gens. i'll have one water extractor at 75% feeding two gens. easy to expand, and very little room for too many problems

[rustic hare]

never had a need for valves, and for large manifolds like 144 fuel gens running on rocket fuel, I just connect the ends of the manifolds together, so there's no real ends, just a big loop, idk what that's called but it works better than a fluid buffer at each ending of the manifold

[green fiber]

rocket fuel is a gas and gasses have a terrible relationship with buffers anyway

[lavish lance]

you should try, that can help a lot

[silk ocean]

Packaged Liquid Biofuel does last a bloody long time in the jetpack but I miss the kick of Rocket Fuel too much XD

[shrewd palm]

time for ionized fuel!

[silk ocean]

Ha, yeah

[rustic hare]

my friend who played pre-1.0 told me to put buffers to prevent sloshing or something but I never really understood the mechanic xD

[atomic notch]

Nah dude the loop logic stupid its easier to just over produce

[lavish lance]

if only pipes worked that way

[placid stirrup]

That's because buffers can be thought of almost like another machine, they equalize (read: lower) the amount of fluid in a pipe to their storage

[green fiber]

buffers are more like big pipes, less like machines

[lavish lance]

you dont need buffers if you allow the pipes to run full before turning the mashines on

a full pipe works.

[green fiber]

(Conditions apply)

[atomic notch]

I need buffers for my fluid trains

[lavish lance]

thats a different context

[rustic hare]

btw I also noticed a pipe transporting gas's fill level is almost perfectly in line with it's current transfer rate?
like a mk2 pipe transferring 400m³/s fills up to 2/3rd of the way despite me over-producing

[green fiber]

yes for gas flow rate is always proportional to fill level, assuming the pipe wasnt overfilled

if it is fuller than it needs to be it tends to jump around between very high and very low flow

depending on if a machine is currently pushing more gas in or consuming gas

[rustic hare]

and if I junction a mk2 in, mk2 out, and mk1 out, the split is also proportional to their max transfer rate, the mk2 got double the max transfer rate of the mk1, so it got 400m³/s, while the mk1 got 200m³/s from an input of 600m³/s

[green fiber]

liquids do the same

600 in via mk 2, mk 2 and mk 1 exit pipes
you get 400 and 200 out

[rustic hare]

interesting, it's as if the inner diameter of the pipes are different, yet we can't see that part

[reef basin]

how else would they be able to flow more fluid? 😛

[smoky forge]

magic

[shrewd palm]

well if i ever make another giant nuclear plant i think i'll have to use overflow splitters instead of regular ones

[rustic hare]

shouldn't that make mk1 pipes cost more copper because it has thicker walls?

[smoky forge]

[reef basin]

no, it's [thin sheet of copper] [vacuum] [thin sheet of copper]

[green fiber]

they arent, but the flow rate limits are different.
you can imagine that their inner friction is different and so one has a higher pressure limit - in a way

[hidden sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze_eG6pjvE0 @glad drum hey i broke the entire sound system of satisfactory

i love breaking the game

now its left as a permanent REALLY LOUD bubble of trains

[green fiber]

thats what you get professor

[wary perch]

I’d like a big pipe I could use to put different liquids into my coffee cup

[hidden sparrow]

uknow seeing my save file, i think my pc would have stabbed me long before if it could have

[green fiber]

your PC would first stab you and then itself is my bet

[rustic hare]

then thinner walls = less pressure resistance, it'd be fun if pipes can burst if you build water towers and stack up too much headlift I'd like to see water hammers in the game too

[hidden sparrow]

oh absolutly LMAO

[green fiber]

we already have water hammer

and it sucks hard

worst mechanic ever invented

instead of a pressure spike causing noise, this pressure spike causes flow rate spikes which interrupt your other pipe's flow rates

[rustic hare]

oof

[smoky forge]

dont try to bring realism in this game to much, next thing we got real life cable diameters for each machine to hook up

[rustic hare]

imagine deleting a pipe on your manifold and the cap of the junction pops off because the change in pressure is too abrupt, it's similar to shutting off a valve immediately, triggering the water hammer

[smoky forge]

and trust me, that would make things a whole LOT more complicated

[green fiber]

im not bringing in more realism, the pipe sim is ALREADY this realistic

this IS what is happening

[smoky forge]

not tooooo i must say

but yeah as much as a game can get it right

[green fiber]

yes theres no real big friction and what not

but the pipes run freakin bernoulli

they got density, gravity, viscosity and a minor amount of friction

[white dawn]

I think there's technically viscosity too, right? Just that all fluids have the same viscosity set so that doesn't actually matter much

[rustic hare]

hats off to the real life engineers who have to deal with these problems

[green fiber]

yes there is viscosity.
and its 1 - the same for every liquid

viscosity of 1 does nothing in the code

[white dawn]

Ah, gotcha

[green fiber]

its not even per liquid - its just all universal for the pipe liquid math

[unkempt blade]

those nerds just need to feed it from both ends like a true pioneer plumber!

[white dawn]

wtb CSS solving the Navier-Stokes singularity point during the development of the game

[green fiber]

navier stokes would kill it ( 0.05 FPS)

[shrewd palm]

cant wait to let 24000 waste drain at a rate of 1 every few seconds

[unkempt blade]

just load it into a truck and drive that truck into the pit in the middle of the map instead

[shrewd palm]

i'd rather not do that if possible

[rustic hare]

I just realized, this game is mostly just logistic construction

[shrewd palm]

probably just gonna let the game run while i stock up on power shards and stuff, gonna wait until i know im processing waste fast enough and won't run into any problems tho

[unkempt blade]

if you have power and aren't already overclocking stuff you should crank that up for a while too

[shrewd palm]

debating letting my uranium fuel rod production go up to as fast as it can go but im not sure if i want to given all the other problems ive had with waste processing

[unkempt blade]

uranium rods can be sunk for coupons if you want to run it but not deal with maximum waste amounts yet

[shrewd palm]

i've got like 450-700GW to play with depending on how many reactors arent backed up and if i make some temporary power augmenters

and i just automated power shards

[tawny pagoda]

i forgot you could automate those

I have never gotten that far before restarting with a new save

[shrewd palm]

already making ~35-40 instead of the full 50

reactors have been slowly filling up over the last 20 hours or so

i've got enough processing ability to deal with the full 50 rods of waste, just not sure if i want to put it under that much stress given my scuffed belting/piping

[edgy patio]

guys i have a question, dont know if this is the right channel for it but i've been playing satisfactory for a long time now but i never manage to get far, like i've never been further than phase 4 and i find it hard to keep playing cuase i want to be far in the game but it takes so long, at least, in my experience, but does anyone have any tips to get trough te first few stages easy and fast?

[ripe basin]

I think that weapons that dont shoot at the crosshair and dont have homing projectiles are garbage

Like some weapons in terraria calamity for example

[green fiber]

This guy doesnt know how to aim

[shrewd palm]

just keep everything organized and leave room for expansion i guess

[ripe basin]

How do you aim when your weapon doesnt shoot where you point at?

[unkempt blade]

you take a small red sticker and put it in the middle of your monitor, right?

[shrewd palm]

speeding through the first few phases really comes with experience

[shrewd palm]

1. get closer
2. pray

[ripe basin]

Thank you brother

[edgy patio]

okay yeah i have been playing for like 150 hours now

but im as

[tawny pagoda]

I find that the more times I restart the longer it takes to get through the early stages, I keep over engineering factories

[solid storm]

So, as I understand it, if the residue from an oil extractor has no where to go....ie...your storage fills up for something like packaged fuel, then the oil extractor will stop producing......correct?

[ripe basin]

Yeah

[shrewd palm]

yes, and thats where byproduct/alt recipes come in

[solid storm]

ok, ty

[unkempt blade]

yeah if outputs on machines don't have anywhere to go and they fill up they stop running

[ripe basin]

You can recycle byproducts with alt recipes

[green fiber]

you can recycle every byproduct without alts too.
Alts just give you more options

[ripe basin]

Polymer
Where does it go

[shrewd palm]

sink

[green fiber]

residual plastic / rubber

[shrewd palm]

if you dont want to turn it into rubber/plastic

[ripe basin]

Is residual unlocked from the start?

[green fiber]

yes

[unkempt blade]

into cloth => filters => use the filters because I irradiated my entire world

[green fiber]

there is literally never a point in the game where you get byproducts and dont have a way to deal with them
(*ok im making an exception for nuclear waste lol)

[unkempt blade]

yeah and if you can't deal with it just use it to fill up a truck then drive that truck into the pit in the middle of the map

[prime jasper]

You get ways to deal with nuclear waste.

[green fiber]

yes - at a later time

[prime jasper]

They are just... Late game and excessively complicated.

[green fiber]

usually you get a way to deal with byproducts as soon as you unlock those byproducts

[rancid tiger]

There is a 2GB patch being downloaded yet the info seems small?

[green fiber]

dont mistake small info for "oh the patch must be small"

[prime jasper]

Yeah okay I see what you mean now.

[green fiber]

if they make small changes everywhere then unreal engine has to package all files that were changed again anyway

and that means every changed file has to be re-downloaded - no matter how small the change to it

[rancid tiger]

but then I would expect to more details in the patch notes, that is what I meant ..

[green fiber]

could have been literally all translations

[rancid tiger]

true, can't say anything on that 😄

[white dawn]

See #announcements message for explanations about patch size for Satisfactory (and other UE games which use the same packaging structures)

[green fiber]

and the change for dedicated:

Potential fixes to desync and high CPU usage issues
really ambiguous, could have been a lot of things

no telling in what needs to be changed on the dedicated server game version only and what needed to be changed for clients

[rancid tiger]

ok ok, let's close the discussion, it is clear allright 😅

[silk rose]

good to see them fix bug i actually encountered

boombox bug messed my game and replaced coffee cup with another boombox)
2 coupon profit calculated

oh they say fixed disconnections) but i hope they fixed whole issue

[inland zealot]

im trying to make a nuclear reactor but quick wire and other materials are far from my uranium location, whats the best way to transport across long distances?

[hard ivy]

trains

[inland zealot]

how good are drones?

[mortal ginkgo]

Good enough I say. You can indeed use them too.

[inland zealot]

how long to fuel rods last?

[hard ivy]

easy to set up but need fuel and have a much lower throughput than trains

[grave horizon]

when i place conveyors, it only lets me go so high off the ground. is there a way to make them taller?

[atomic notch]

Lifts

[glad drum]

I'm running into that problem right now with my STEEL CYCLONE of conveyors - but basically you need to place something else to place it on... You could do conveyor poles on top of conveyor poles, or if it's a bigger build, it may be better to build foundations where you want your floating conveyors to be

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

im confused, am i getting close to my energy limit or do i have until 26 gw?

[glad drum]

edit: STACKACBLE conveyor poles - lol im so silly yeah just use these for taller

[hard ivy]

26 GW is your max consumption. the consumption you'd have if all your machines were running

[grave horizon]

i should probly start using foundations. im 10 hours into my first ever playthrough and all I have is a giant bowl of spaghetti🫠

[atomic notch]

Dude ur screwed unless you can get a bunch more power made

[daring vapor]

Guys why doesnt my fluid buffer drain the water that i dont need?

my whole machinery is stuck

[glad drum]

I'm happy to see you are embracing spaghetti 🙂 I'm over 60 hours in and have no intention on ever unlocking foundations for my spaghetti.

[scenic mirage]

ive been putting off TF bc the coal and sulfur... rip 😄

[atomic notch]

Ur like 10gw ish over

[scenic mirage]

at least i have like 2800 fuel/min being made rn

[hard ivy]

you don't need TF tho

just make more fuel

[atomic notch]

He needs somethin hahaha

[scenic mirage]

should i just hook up that 2800 fuel/min to normal generators? would that be good until nuclear

[daring vapor]

Guys why doesnt my fluid buffer drain the water that i dont need?
my whole machinery is stuck

[atomic notch]

Prolly. Whats ur current plan for it

[hard ivy]

that'd be 35 GW

[daring vapor]

Guys why doesnt my fluid buffer drain the water that i dont need?
my whole machinery is stuck

[hard ivy]

buffers don't drain by themselves

[atomic notch]

Lol theres no drain

[daring vapor]

how can i make them drain?

[hard ivy]

use the water for something

[atomic notch]

Refineries

Blenders

[glad drum]

Yeah you gotta either drain it manually when it backs up or use it to make something else or package it and sink it

[atomic notch]

Coal gens

[solid storm]

Do you ever get bigger personal storage chests other than those orange collored ones?

[astral gyro]

Industrial storage

[hard ivy]

storage containers?

[atomic notch]

Yeah you get the dimensional depot

[astral gyro]

Or that

[solid storm]

the small ones

[astral gyro]

But you can just use the big chests as personal chests

[peak wasp]

oooo morning pioneers, new patch ^_^

[hard ivy]

the small ones are personal storage

not containers

containers are bigger

[solid storm]

Thats why I called them chests

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch isc

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=isc

[peak wasp]

I use the double containers for everything

[mortal ginkgo]

Real alpha males carry everything themselves. Storages are not enough for their manliness.

[solid storm]

I know you can use the big ones....I was just wondering if they had bigger personal storage chests later on.

[astral gyro]

Those are the bigger personal storage chests

[atomic notch]

Real men use death crates to store stuff

[hard ivy]

dismantle and death crates have infinite capacity lol

[astral gyro]

I currently have a floating dismantle chest i cant reach

[atomic notch]

Inventory full? Off yourself

[solid storm]

No, I meant at about the same size as the small chest

[astral gyro]

No there isnt, thats why im saying those are the personal storage chests with more inventory

I mean you can get custom ones in the awesome shop

But I believe those are the same size

[solid storm]

Alright then, thank you

[astral gyro]

Imma isc spam next time im on

I already have about 10 that idk what to do with

From when I rebuilt factory

[atomic notch]

I got like 5 iscs full of solid biofuel. It was supposed to be emergency power but now the 2.5gw is just a drop in the bucket

[astral gyro]

I only ever had like 400 mw of bioburners

[atomic notch]

Well i kinda upgraded it in p3

[astral gyro]

Fair, I have 1000mw of backup battery to get my first fuel gens active next time I get on

[reef basin]

(fyi, batteries don't store MW, but MWh)

[undone kestrel]

They also aren't called batteries 😛

[atomic notch]

So now they run off of packaged liquid biofuel

[astral gyro]

Thats what I meant

[astral gyro]

Genuine question, if i were to go 1000 mw over my production, would it last an irl hour or in game hour?

[hard ivy]

they're the same lol

[trim vine]

there is no difference, hence why we see things in parts per minute

[plush dawn]

i dont want so setup batteries because the last time i did that it deleted 50 batteries worth of materials when i tried to place it

[reef basin]

unless you're assuming day length = duration between sunsets ingame

but yeah, all the "minutes" you see in the game are IRL minutes

[astral gyro]

Which is what I was assuming, but wasnt sure

[hard ivy]

an in-game day lasts 2h iirc

[atomic notch]

Maybe but all youd have to do is change it from a 24 hour cycle

[reef basin]

wasn't it like 45min?

[astral gyro]

I knew that the items per minute was irl, but didnt know it that included the power from like batteries

[undone kestrel]

Since the modern hour is defined using the speed of light I guess we can move away from linking it to the rotation cycle of a planet

[trim vine]

skyUI lets me say day at 599 minutes and night at 1 minute 😛

[reef basin]

ah, was close - 45min day, 15min night

[atomic notch]

Its unlimited discharge right

[astral gyro]

That is what the description says

[reef basin]

indeed

[astral gyro]

So if I went 2k over id only last 30 mins

[hard ivy]

infinite discharge, up to 100MW charge

[astral gyro]

Is it decided by mw over consumption/how many batteries you have placed?

Up to 100 per battery

[hard ivy]

up to 100 MW per power storage

that assumes you have enough excess production to actually charge at that speed

[astral gyro]

Meaning if I only had 100 mw of headroom in power, but 2 batteries each would charge at 50

200 but 4 also 50

[undone kestrel]

Yes

And they would take 2 hours to fully charge

[astral gyro]

Heard

[uncut trail]

i have 2 belts which trasfer 1560 iron in a min and other two which does 1440 in a min so total 3k, is there a way to transfer exact same number of iron by train or do i have to make big ass belt(s)

[hard ivy]

you can transfer however much you want by train

you just need enough wagons

[uncut trail]

yea but will it deliver 3000 iron in a min?

it takes time to deliver and dock and shi

[undone kestrel]

If you make it big enough

[uncut trail]

how big are we talking gents

[hard ivy]

yes, if you have enough wagons/trains

[undone kestrel]

Depends how far a distance you want to go

[atomic notch]

It depends on rtt

[hard ivy]

depends on distance and your max belt speed

[trim vine]

why are you moving 3000 iron?

[uncut trail]

for 20 hmf a min

i can built it very far away but i want it at base

so is there a way to calculate distance in game? and i have mk5 belts

[undone kestrel]

I generally do 1 belt per wagon and scale as required from there

[trim vine]

Why dont you build it "far away" and then just ship it back via train?

[atomic notch]

Iron ore only stacks to like 100 right? Thats gonna be a lot of wagons

[hard ivy]

that's at least 50% morethan you need. you're using some awful recipes

[astral gyro]

You could just make the 20 hmf far and then train in the hmf

[uncut trail]

im using only base

[hard ivy]

build the route and time how long it takes a train to drive it

[undone kestrel]

Generally round trip duration is used for trains rather than distance as they do not travel at a constant speed

[trim vine]

moving 20 hmf via train is vastly simpler than trying to move 3000 iron

[uncut trail]

im saying what scim told me

[hard ivy]

my condolences

default recipes for HMF are awful

[uncut trail]

yea but its what i have

[trim vine]

then go get more hard drives

[undone kestrel]

What's the fun in that tho 😛

[uncut trail]

i already wasted more time than i shouldve looking for alts

[uncut trail]

my guy

[hard ivy]

I would never build HMFs with defaults

[undone kestrel]

Alt finding isnt a waste of time

you can gather sloops and mercer spheres at the same time

and slugs

[trim vine]

You have 3 priorities in this game at all times

1. Power
2. AGGRESSIVE MAM and Hard Drive Research
3. Whatever you want

[uncut trail]

i just got bolted iron plate recipe shoudl i take it

[hard ivy]

awful

anything that makes or uses screws is meh at best

[uncut trail]

should i rescan everytime

[trim vine]

no

[uncut trail]

why

[trim vine]

shit recipes you will never use, leave em, and they will never come up again

[trim vine]

i.e you get both biocoal options, leave em

[undone kestrel]

Screws aren't even the worst part, it's more expensive than the default and barely saves space and power

[uncut trail]

but if i rescan i might get what i want no?

[astral gyro]

I thought it was better to rescan and then leave them if they still suck because atleast you would have the chance to get what you want

[trim vine]

or you get the shit ones again you never want to see

[undone kestrel]

I'd say always rescan

[uncut trail]

gamble

[trim vine]

if you actually spend time gaining a surplus of drives, this makes sense

[hard ivy]

I'd sat never rescan

[undone kestrel]

Unless the initial picks are truly awful

[uncut trail]

i have couple of recips i guess ill send screenshot and if any of em are good let me know

[hard ivy]

that's why I said "makes or uses screws"

[white dawn]

As we've said many times now: very few recipes have any wide consensus as to "good" or "bad." They're all at least situationally useful

[uncut trail]

#screenshots message are any of em good?

[white dawn]

If you have no opinions, just pick one at random and then try it out when you have an opportunity to

[undone kestrel]

I'd rather take a chance to get lucky than wait another 10 minutes, if I don't get what i'm looking for it's no big deal either way

[hard ivy]

encased pipe and pure iron ingot

[reef basin]

if you want to save space at the cost of extra resources, sure

[white dawn]

Even generally-considered-"good" recipes won't always be appropriate, and even generally-considered-"bad" recipes have situations where they're an attractive option

[undone kestrel]

Pick recycled rubber, trust me

[reef basin]

"good" depends on your preferences

as you can see, KYO has some, other people have others, you may have different ones. I'd recommend doing your own research

[uncut trail]

damn thats actuially good for me

[undone kestrel]

It's good for a lot of people 😄

[uncut trail]

thx

[white dawn]

(Granted, doing your own research is likely to lead you to dozens of similarly-conflicting "tier lists" online, which are their own set of problems. :D)

[undone kestrel]

I've just started using whatever recipe I feel like these days tbh

[uncut trail]

if i make train track does it tell me the distance?

[undone kestrel]

Getting bored of using the same stuff all the time

[hard ivy]

no. but you have to measure the actual time regardless

[white dawn]

I didn't think of the idea myself, but I am legit considering adding a "random recipe" mode to my own personal factory solver and doing a run based on that. Whatever the solver spits out first is the solution I'll be bound to. :D

[undone kestrel]

Imagine you need thousands of iron plates and it makes you use coated 😛

[white dawn]

Heh, well, I'm actually a Coated Iron Plate apologist

[undone kestrel]

(I am actually a user of this alt at times)

[white dawn]

Like it's far from my go-to, but I've definitely used it occasionally

[undone kestrel]

I used it in my last nuclear build

No idea why

[hard ivy]

if you're making thousands, it's actually a good idea
it would be terrible for like 30

[white dawn]

Yeah, if you're already bringing oil into a production chain, it's not necessarily the worst. I know iron is cheap, but so is oil. :D

[uncut trail]

big ass belt(s) it is

[undone kestrel]

I think I just had thousands of plastic I wasn't using

[hard ivy]

why

[undone kestrel]

Go for the train, it will make your life easy in the long run. The hard part is the first one because you start from scratch but the good thing is railways can be scaled upon easily

[astral gyro]

Do yall build sky trains?

[trim vine]

factories are all nice and neat, trains flow with terrain on pylons

[atomic notch]

I build all sorts of trains

Underground trains

[astral gyro]

I have a sky road i never ended up using because I just did a floor road instead

[uncut trail]

i would if i knew how much of what i need

is steamed copper or caterium computer good?

[undone kestrel]

Steamed is significantly cheaper in terms of copper for the cost of water (and a refinery). Caterium has it's uses

[trim vine]

trains are actually easier to start than most people give it credit for

Just start with a two lane highway and use junctions to branch off to stations and you'll be fine, and it can scale up infinitely

[undone kestrel]

If you want to simplify your logistics, take literally every alt and use whatever one fits best into the area you are building in

[uncut trail]

i dont even understand wtf are you saying, i already have train tracks i just dont know how much freight wagons and stations should i use to transport 3000 iron in a minute

i have lot of train im in phase4

[trim vine]

Do you have a single track rail or a double track rail

[white dawn]

Start experimenting! Try with one car. If that's not sufficient, go up to 2, etc.

[hard ivy]

2 1-4 trains should be enough in most cases. but you'd have to measure the round trip time to make sure

[uncut trail]

i have 3-4 single tracks back n forth

[trim vine]

Respectfully, thats a bad set up and doesnt lend itself to scaling well

[white dawn]

The actual throughput cap for a train car is gonna be related to the route's round-trip time, and you won't know that until you start laying track and setting routes. Personally I don't ever really bother trying to calculate stuff in advance. I just give it a try and then expand if I need to

[trim vine]

Building a 2 lane highway is much easier in the long run, with BPs it takes no time at all

[white dawn]

(That does mean that you'll want to leave some room for more stations before "finalizing" your train stations, of course)

[undone kestrel]

1 in either direction is all you need, due to how signalling works the trains will never really use the extra lines

[trim vine]

Also, dont look at it as 3000 iron

Break it down into 600/780 lines

[white dawn]

I'd also recommend building some headroom into your train throughputs just so they can tolerate minor round-trip-time variance

[uncut trail]

never used those signals couldnt understand them well

[undone kestrel]

1 wagon per belt is usually a good start

[white dawn]

You don't want to run your cars right at their throughput limits unless they're on their own isolated tracks

[undone kestrel]

Overkill in a lot of cases but can save headache

[uncut trail]

i have two which trasports iron at 780 a min and other two which does it at 720

[trim vine]

because you built a one lane track, signaling one lane tracks is sucicide mode in terms of difficulty

[white dawn]

Yeah, you leave a lot of potential throughput on the ground if you go one belt per car, but it undeniably simplifies your setup decisions

[undone kestrel]

After almost 2000 hours in this game i'm looking to cause the least amount of annoyances as possible by doing things like that haha

my days of minmaxing are over

[limpid cairn]

really good for transporting quickwire or anything else that has 500 stacks

[hard ivy]

1 belt per platform, not wagon. if you do 1 full belt per wagon, you won't get far with just 1 train

[trim vine]

thats a crazy statement

droned quickwire is wild

[white dawn]

Of course depending on the route + material + throughput, one car per belt might not actually be enough. :D So testing is required regardless

[little lark]

anyone else not able to load into a multiplayer world

[hard ivy]

not really. drones' throughput is measured in stacks/min, so with a stack size of 500, you could easily saturate a mk6 belt

[uncut trail]

can i calculate distance by coordinates?

[hard ivy]

measure the goddamn time

[undone kestrel]

Distance is a useless measurement

Train speed isn't constant all the time

[hard ivy]

told you like 4 times already

[uncut trail]

HOW do i just set up trains and drive them

[hard ivy]

yes

[uncut trail]

do i gotta whip out stopwatch

[hard ivy]

yes

[undone kestrel]

You dont need to if you aren't trying to minimise the size of your train

[white dawn]

Yeah, round-trip time is the important thing, and you won't know that for sure until the route's running. It's related to the distance between sites, of course, but it's the time that's important

And you don't even need to measure it exactly. As I said, just set up a route and see how it goes!

If the cars you set up initially are sufficient, then great! You're done

If they're insufficient, then add another car to the route

(keeping in mind that eventually you might need to add another engine to the train, if things get too slow)

(though with that last parenthetical I should probably mention that it's only acceleration that more engines will give you -- they don't increase the train's max speed at all)

[uncut trail]

should i do it with 4 freight wagons or it doesnt matter

[topaz shale]

Man I really should have been seperating out my refineries for aluminum. Really makes sure that all water gets used with making it be impossible to back up. No longer have to worry about sinking all of my aluminum stuff.

[white dawn]

And also also keep in mind that train cars are heavier the more they're filled with Stuff, so even yet more reason to just build the route and test it out, rather than getting too hung up on measurements

[undone kestrel]

Give it a go

4 is a nice size

[hard ivy]

a single 4 wagon train will only be enough for a round trip time up to 4 minutes 16 seconds

and that's assuming it's fully loaded for each trip

[uncut trail]

wish that was what she said

[uncut trail]

so how much js give me any number atp

at will start timing

[limpid cairn]

And that is why ?

[white dawn]

just try it

This game's about experimentation and learning stuff

You could have been setting up the route already. There's no penalty for failure in this game (or even anything that could be considered a failure state); you can just experiment and see how it goes

[uncut trail]

i am already setting it up

[hard ivy]

build the route and stations, without any platforms. then set the autopilot to drive the route, and time how long it takes between one departure honk and then the departure honk from the same station after the train has completed the entire route

[white dawn]

Back to work, then! 🥳 👷

[hard ivy]

if you time the route without cargo, you'll need to add about 30 seconds for every station the train will get loaded/unload at

[uncut trail]

do i time it when train makes it to other station or back to the starting one

[hard ivy]

the entire route

from a departure from a station to the departure from the same station

[undone kestrel]

There's no point in you timing it if you don't know what to do with that time though

[uncut trail]

starting now

[limber mulch]

Hi guys, is there a way to make all new constructors one color swatch, and all assemblers a different swatch?

Right when I create them without me setting the color explicitly

[white dawn]

Not exactly (at least without mods which may or may not exist). You can set a swatch to be the default for various categories, but all machines are in the same category

[bright echo]

weather when?

[limber mulch]

Thanks @white dawn ! Can you please point me to where I can see the category / swatch list?

[undone kestrel]

Never

[white dawn]

Right-click on a swatch/pattern in the Customizer. :)

[undone kestrel]

We used to have weather effects but they got removed

[bright echo]

it's always sunny. I bought satisfactory like three days before the engine update. I miss the rain

[white dawn]

Well, AFAIK CSS still intends to bring rain back

[undone kestrel]

Yeah probably

it was a nice thing

[white dawn]

They were hoping to get it ready in time for 1.1 but that didn't happen. Hopefully for 1.2!

[limber mulch]

Thanks @white dawn !

[glad drum]

incoming rain collectors??? 😮

[white dawn]

(Rain got removed 'cause the implementation they were using (which they got from some third-party source) no longer worked in UE5)

[undone kestrel]

Power max nuclear setup off of rain only challenge

[limpid cairn]

adding rain cant be that hard

[glad drum]

oh yeah make it rain right now

checkmate

[undone kestrel]

It's the other issues that crop up from having rain that was the problem

[white dawn]

They've talked about it a few times: https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/environment/weather-systems/

It's more work than you might think, though it's mainly just a matter of prioritization

[limpid cairn]

tbh a lot of stuff in the programming world is a lot more work than i think

[white dawn]

Do they spend the development time working on something which, in the end, is purely cosmetic, or put resources towards actual gameplay, etc

[uncut trail]

@hard ivy it took around 3min and 6sec

[white dawn]

Anyway, here's hoping for 1.2. I too would enjoy having rain back. :)

[limpid cairn]

cut a part of the dev team off and let em make it rain

[true mulch]

so, what does "Hierarchical Z-Buffer Occlusion" actually do? should it be on or off for a high-end PC?

[glad drum]

if they add rain (back) I want lightning strikes that hit if you're parachuting and you can build lightning rod towers to harness electrical storms

and if they wanna go crazy, storm generators that can charge up and produce lightning storms in a given area using idk quantum stuff

[hard ivy]

with just a locomotive, no cargo? how many stations?

[limpid cairn]

btw do we know when 1.2 comes?

[white dawn]

Nope, would be in #announcements if we knew. :)

[true mulch]

nope, but I personally wouldn't expect anything before the console release, and unlikely they'll fit anything in that Nov-Dec window

[white dawn]

Technically we don't even know if there will be a v1.2, though I'm assuming there will be

[uncut trail]

with two locomotives and 2 station, one at where i get my iron and other at my base

[limpid cairn]

so itll come next year?

[true mulch]

that's my guess

we don't know if 1.2 is coming at all

[hard ivy]

it should take about 4 minutes to drive the route with cargo loading/unloading. so just barely enough for 4 wagons. I would probably use 5 wagons or 2 trains

[uncut trail]

5 wagons ok, ill take your word for it and it does display how much item youre recieving right

at freight stations

[hard ivy]

yeah, once a few transfers happen, the platforms will display how many items on average they transferred

[glad drum]

maybe Satisfactory 1.1 1/2 on September 10th? 😮 birthday celebration woo

[true mulch]

SF's birthday is on March 19

[uncut trail]

one last thing, as i said i have 4 belts 2 moving 780 a min and other 2 moving 720 so do i just equally divide those across 5 freight stations?

[hard ivy]

if you have 6 belts total, then you probably could use 6 platforms and 6 wagons

just 1:1

[uncut trail]

i have 4...

[glad drum]

1.0

[hard ivy]

oh, I read that wrong

I would use 4:4 balancers, 4 platforms and 2 trains on the route, both set to only depart when empty/full

[true mulch]

does noone know?

[violet mirage]

Hey guys
Hows everyone doing today?

[atomic notch]

Ik what occlusion is

Doesnt render stuff you dont see

[reef basin]

why not have 4 stations and use what you have on the belt?

[atomic notch]

You gotta overthink and complicate everything.

[hard ivy]

I'd say that using one entire station per belt is overcomplicating it

[trim vine]

yes, throughput on stacksize for drones is better with 500 items.

At the same time, why are we shipping any 500 stacked items and not making them on site for use?

[reef basin]

way less than "balance it"

[topaz shale]

Man my spaghetti is gonna be off the charts.

[hard ivy]

you can't really reliably do 2 trains without balancing

and 1 isn't enough at this distance

especially a not completely full one

[limber mulch]

anyone know how to unlock Blueprints Mk 3?

[hard ivy]

tier 9

[limber mulch]

grrr.... but thanks lol

[uncut trail]

wdym

[gilded halo]

Anybody know how to use epic games satisfactory with a controller?

[limber mulch]

I don't have Mk.3 Blueprints, but I can use the Mk.3 Blueprints I imported from an old save. Is that supposed to work?

Hah nm, I"m just glad it does!

[sharp basin]

Just go to settings and change input type to controller

[reef basin]

each belt goes to one station
each car carries "one belt"
on the other side you have same 4 belts

[uncut trail]

thx for all your help and time but could you do me a solid and translate that from bullshit to english?

[uncut trail]

will that deliver 3000 iron in a minute?

[reef basin]

yes

[uncut trail]

ok

[hard ivy]

r/confidentlyincorrect

[limpid cairn]

is there a list with all commands for the ingame console?

[hard ivy]

if the distance is too far, it literally won't

[reef basin]

more trains

[true mulch]

!wikisearch debug+console

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=debug+console

[hard ivy]

and then they bunch up and it's still not enough

you need them equally spaced to actually benefit from them

[reef basin]

full load order

[uncut trail]

big ass belts sounds much better atp

respectfully

[hard ivy]

unless they're equally loaded, it won't work

that'll bottleneck all belts to the slowest belt

[reef basin]

they will be equally loaded... fully

[hard ivy]

which means you'll get 4x720

[hard ivy]

the 780 belts will be bottlenecked to 720

because the train will wait for the 720s to fill

[reef basin]

which isn't a problem with buffers

[hard ivy]

[uncut trail]

i can make other 2 do 780

[hard ivy]

you don't know shit about trains. please stop misleading people

[uncut trail]

but it would be more than 3k which i really dont give a fuck about atp

will that fix it?

[reef basin]

except I'm right 🤷

[hard ivy]

you will get 4x720 if you do "depart when empty/full"

not 2x720+2x780

I have tested this

[uncut trail]

i said i can do 4x780

[hard ivy]

then that will work without a balancer

[uncut trail]

will that fix it

wtf is a balancer

[hard ivy]

this #screenshots message

4:4 specifically

[reef basin]

your argument is literally "it won't work if you build it wrong"

[narrow geyser]

Hi, where's the best place in your opinion guys to build aluminium factory? And how much should i get to smoothly achieve phase 4?

[reef basin]

near bauxite

[uncut trail]

is that alien tryna rizz up ada? it said her curves are beautiful😂

[narrow geyser]

[hard ivy]

go on, then, build a setup with 2x780 + 2x720 belts, connected directly to buffers, with depart when empty/full that works

[reef basin]

that wasn't my initial response

[uncut trail]

fuck that i already did 4x780 now do i hook each up at 4 freight stations

[trim vine]

.....

How long, approximately, is your round trip, even?

[reef basin]

one belt to one platform

[hard ivy]

yeah, the original setup you suggested wouldn't work either 🤣

[reef basin]

it would 🤷

[uncut trail]

with only two locomotives around 3minutes 5 seconds

according to him @hard ivy with cargo and shit that goes up to 4min

[trim vine]

Kyo is right

[uncut trail]

never doubted him

trust him with my loife

[upper gale]

It's when you use splitters and mergers in a way that makes all belts have the same amount of items

[trim vine]

I mean, if the trip is short enough, then you just split the line into two ISC and have them load in

[uncut trail]

yup got schooled already

[hard ivy]

it wouldn't, because the limit for 4 wagons is 4min 16s, and the RTD is basicall that. plus with your setup, the wagons wouldn't be full at default settings and bottlenecked to 720 with depart when empty

[reef basin]

for one train

[hard ivy]

one train wouldn't work because the route is too long

[uncut trail]

so i gotta use two separate tracks?

[trim vine]

for 600 lines, I usually do 3 cars, 4 for 780 for my longer routes, ensures proper throughput

[trim vine]

As I told you earlier, you need a 2 lane highway, your one lane rail wil not support a large influx of trains

[plain gate]

2 lanes in one direction? i've never ever had that kind of congestion

[uncut trail]

so two tracks each with four cars?

im just being confused here

[reef basin]

hence why I said multiple trains ffs

[hard ivy]

which won't work without a balancer ffs

[reef basin]

it will, was tested

[trim vine]

You're making this harder than it needs to be

You need a 2 lane highway. Think of it as a road with traffic going in both directions.

Trains drive on the right, presuming you also drive on the right hand side of the road

[hard ivy]

with default settings, they can bunch up and not work. with depart when empty, they're bottlnecked to 720. how does this "work", then?

[reef basin]

ask that to all the people who have that setup working for multiple hundreds of hours 🤷

[uncut trail]

excuse me but ive never attempted "2 lane highway" so this will be interesting

[trim vine]

Can you start a thread in #1038092680493801533 asking for help with trains and load balancing them?

That way I can send you screenshots for ease of access

[digital iron]

I am kinda new, is there a way to increase ores mined from veins? Lets say iron for example, i read about purity but almost all of my nodes are low purity and im not sure if u can increase it, i feel like i rly dont have that much reasources

[hard ivy]

overclock miner or use better miner

[trim vine]

2 lane tracks are significantly easier to set up than 1 lane tracks, by quite a lot

Setting up functional 1 lane rails are super difficult

[trim vine]

||power shards|| which are learned in the MAM

[digital iron]

Okay, i dont have better miner, and i dont think the overlocking part is accessible to me rn? I guess?

Or is it the slug power shards?

[hard ivy]

unlockable in the MAM

available basically as soon as you have the MAM

[uncut trail]

i made thread

[trim vine]

if I may offer a piece of advice:

You have 3 priorities in this game at all times

1. Power, Isolated from other factories, until you learn more
2. AGGRESSIVE MAM and Hard Drive Research. You need to be neck deep in the MAM at all times trying to figure out how to unlock stuff
3. Whatever you want

[leaden turret]

bless the rains down in africa gothenburg

[upper gale]

If you're in the grassy fields there's probably more iron nodes nearby you're not using

[digital iron]

Ohh okay, i understood the power part frim the start, bio energy was ahh choppin trees so i made quite some coal factory

And i hate MAM so far but ill try to get more into it xd

[leaden turret]

see alternatively,

bless the rains down in graaaaaasy fields

[hard ivy]

is there a console command to speed up simulation speed?

[leaden turret]

/drink coffee

[white dawn]

I like to imagine that when you're researching in the MAM you're just furious and screaming at it.

[lusty oracle]

I see the couple lizard doggo emotes we have, but is cunfuzzled as to why there's no lizard doggo w/ headpats emote/sticker

[white dawn]

scan faster damn you!

[leaden turret]

headpats

[lusty oracle]

...

-# that's animal abuse, not headpats..

[leaden turret]

🫳

[shy mulch]

Why is this discord always full of people saying things don't work that do work when used correctly :/

[lusty oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden turret]

welcome to the internet

[shy mulch]

I preferred the internet in the old days when you needed a PhD to use it

[leaden turret]

pretty sure discord won't work under mosaic

[shy mulch]

bring back ICQ

[leaden turret]

-... .-. .. -. --. / -... .- -.-. -.- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .

[shy mulch]

that was the start of the end, it allowed normies to actually talk to you, embrace the chaos

[shy mulch]

A friend of mine set his phone keyboard to morse code, and he used it unironically for a while. Some people just like the world to burn. My phone keyboard is Dvorak, that's bad enough

[leaden turret]

if you preferred the internet when it required a phd, i would've thought you'd prefer a t9-style keyboard

[thick vine]

phone keyboard on an alternatr layout is strange to me. tried it for a while but didn't like it

[shy mulch]

yes I am definintely a t9 enjoyer, but it's not too convenient for heated raging debates that are the norm these days

[shrewd palm]

are there any known bugs where some of your machines just go idle for a little bit despite having enough resources?

[shy mulch]

Did the 1.1.1.3 release cause fauna to respawn? I seem to have things trying to eat me all over my factories

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> to keep it on-topic:
363708430549273036446042830202888465306702562221

[shrewd palm]

figured out whats causing it, is there a way to fix your hoverpack screwing up powerlines or am i cooked

[hard ivy]

remove power switches

[shrewd palm]

on the entire network or just at the top/bottom

[hard ivy]

the bug happens when the hoverpack changes its connection from one side of a switch to the other

[shy mulch]

dmdp tgd jgwapd dmhm gatd a avgmjd mp ajmfa
feels like ROT13 but it isn't
hmmm

[leaden turret]

the t9 generator didn't do the multi-press thing

[shrewd palm]

i see

[shy mulch]

d'oh

[trim vine]

No no, no anger here

The MAM is often overlooked by new folks when its one of the most powerful things in this game

[ivory condor]

I have to say I have come to hate whatever realism pipes are using, mk2 pipes cannot even reliability move 600m3. Hate to say it but the devs dropped the ball hard on this one, pipes in this game are the definition of not fun to work with, you cannot predict how it will work at all, why it might work in some cases and not others, this is all a total mess

[hard ivy]

they can do 600/min tho

[shy mulch]

maybe you can't predict how they will behave, but some people can

[shrewd palm]

as long as you follow a few rules that fix the very few weird behaviours of pipes you wont have problems

[wicked nacelle]

and when you can predict how they can work it's not fun game knowledge to do it, it's essentially black magic from a normal player's perspective

it's like if the current 1.1 train bugs were "part of the fun" instead of just broken

[white dawn]

I'm just riffing on the phrase "AGGRESSIVE MAM research" is all. :D Just bein' silly, ignore me! I agree that the MAM is both very powerful and often overlooked. :)

[hard ivy]

I'm not saying it's a good system. it's just not completely broken

[unkempt blade]

yeah! people should fight the power by using factory carts instead!

[upper gale]

Pipes work just fine for me, except the pipeline floor hole gets buggy sometimes

[white dawn]

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

[unkempt blade]

am I having deja vu or did you just do this pipe conversation yesterday?

[wicked nacelle]

and the day before.....

[unkempt blade]

I remember the QA guy even requesting unmodded save files that show it happening 😆

[white dawn]

(I don't disagree that the user experience with pipes is subpar, but at least we do have ways of working with it. :)

[ivory condor]

Thats just it they can only do it in some cases and not others, and you cannot predict when and how that will be, making mk2 pipes unreliable and not even something you can predict

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, somehow CSS says that they never knew about the "frustrations" until well after shipping them. which seems pretty embarrassing for them

[ivory condor]

Sure you can predict, how unreliable mk2 pipes actually are....

[upper gale]

This is good, I'd also add that if you need verticality it's better to just make a straight 90 degree pipe upwards rather than have it on a slope. Cuz headlift gets tricky on slopes

[hard ivy]

Idk man, afaik McGalleon has fixed every save with problematic pipes that was sent to him. So I'm pretty sure it's always possible to make things work. It's just that the fixes make no sense and you cannot expect the average player will know them

[unkempt blade]

I'd sort of agree it's not intuitive/transparent for new players but it's very predictable once you know how they work

[ivory condor]

I already sent the devs reproducible case of mk2 pipes not working even close to expected, they have cases now and should know, was talking to guru already about it and yeah they now know....because im definitely not making any of this up, mk2 pipes are a mess throughput wise

[shrewd palm]

i think my waste debacle has finally been solved

[twilit tinsel]

im actually getting fried by pipes rn ty for this im trying to do like all of this but its still a struggle to get like good pipes

[unkempt blade]

maybe we can talk about something else then like how much better factory carts are than pipes at moving fluids

[shrewd palm]

lets hope the scuffed beltwork i had to do holds up to the 100 reactors im about to unleash once all this excess waste gets dealt with

[twilit tinsel]

for some reason the pipe likes to go down like 100-200 in flow rate for a bit

[white dawn]

Well, in the meantime, check the build methods I suggested above. As I say, IME it's a route to "The Pipes Just Work," regardless of throughput

I agree it can be frustrating if there's a setup which "should" work but doesn't, but there are ways of getting reliable 600/min

[wicked nacelle]

The problem is that some of the solutions require going back and redoing them if things go funny. Like flooding pipes. Well, what if your source gets starved, now when it restarts you have to know that it happened and refill the pipes.

[sleek token]

is there any way I can stop belts when i'm placing them on straight mode from having a small little bend right at the very end? If I place them on default it just works as intended but sometimes with straight (not all the time) it just puts a little bend which is annoying

[white dawn]

IMO it's more that CSS, being the ones who wrote the game, have a better inherent intuition about how to build pipes in ways which happen to work. So basically nobody over there was running into problems

We've had plenty of people come in here who say that likewise they've never had problems with 600/min on pipes

[unkempt blade]

are you seeing a turn or an incline/decline?

[silk ocean]

If a Factory Cart fell off a cliff, does it keep you up at night XD

[white dawn]

A lot of it's down to build technique, and if you happen to build it in ways which the game sort of expects (and I'd expect a CSS dev to be among the people who do so), then you might not even notice the problem

[unkempt blade]

Nah they just simulate their route when I'm out of sight and fix any issues like that automatically. Sleeping actually fixes the issue

[silk ocean]

It's like a magic reset, gotcha xD

[sleek token]

May I send you a screenshot?

[ivory condor]

Are you using mk2 pipes by and chance and how much throughput?

[twilit tinsel]

yeah its supposed to have 600/m

[sleek token]

actually i just tagged in the screenshots channel

[ivory condor]

Mostly in my testing mk2 pipes can only reliability do up to about 500m3 and beyond that issues start to happen

[white dawn]

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

[upper gale]

They still haven't fixed that unfortunately. I just use default and only switch to straight when it's needed, for this reason

[ivory condor]

Right its supposed to, unfortunately I have found them to have throughput issues that makes that not true

[twilit tinsel]

i love this game ill try to use mk1 pipes

[sleek token]

oof, i guess i'll just deal with it

[ivory condor]

But there is some work around, such as doing pipe loops, you can try that and see if it helps

[shrewd palm]

im doing 600 just fine without really doing anything special, im just running them like belts

[late pier]

Going to go build a new factory in the desert and my main factory doing space elevator things is in the main forest biome. Will my factory still be working when I'm super far from it?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[shy mulch]

All of mine work exactly the way I expect them to. Is my game install different to yours?

[ivory condor]

Regrettably this seems to be pretty common with pipes, they arent very initiative to use and i personally blame a bad implementation

[unkempt blade]

ahh didn't know there was a current issue - was wondering if you might have just accidentally used your mouse wheel or something 😆

[wicked nacelle]

no, it's a bug. they've said they'll fix it. just switch to normal mode -- oh I see someone already answered

[shrewd palm]

do you know if they have they said anything about the hoverpack bug where it shuts down some machines when connecting to different power grids?

[wicked nacelle]

I've not heard of any mention of addressing that

[white dawn]

It's been reported at the Questions site so they must be aware of it. I don't know if they've ever actually responded about that in specific, though

[shrewd palm]

afaik its been around since U5

[white dawn]

Yeah, been around for quite awhile

I ended up just not using segregated grids 'cause I'd prefer hoverpack to PPSes. :D

[brazen kettle]

I love destroying the environment

[ivory condor]

No and the devs can see the same issues, guru a qa tester already looked at it and they are able to see the same, so as I said CSS knows

[shrewd palm]

just gives me an excuse to use ionized fuel because i don't want to have to rewire my entire nuclear control room for now ig

[white dawn]

If you mean Ionized Fuel for power generation, btw, I'd recommend against that. You lose a lot of power by converting Rocket Fuel to Ionized; you're far better off sticking with Rocket Fuel

[stray herald]

Do valves stop liquids from going one way?

[ivory condor]

They said it was good to have reproduce issues in saves, question is if css will fix the mk2 pipe throughput issues, impossible to really say

[wicked nacelle]

not entirely. My understanding is that slosh can go backwards through a valve

[white dawn]

Presumably you can make Ionized net-power-positive with really aggressive underclocking + hundreds of machines. :P

[shrewd palm]

i spent like 40 or 50 hours on a nuclear power plant, no way im using ionized for power now lmao

just using it as jetpack fuel

[white dawn]

Hah, k. 👍

Yeah, Ionized is A+ for jetpack

[ivory condor]

But css has reproduce cases, really up to the devs now if they want to do anything about it

[shrewd palm]

yes its amazing

[unkempt blade]

I admittedly haven't used valves recently - does this also happen if you use an unpowered pump?

[shrewd palm]

same power as rocket fuel with the same duration as liquid biofuel

[wicked nacelle]

the best solution is to not have designs that need valves or tanks (except at liquid rail platforms)

[white dawn]

In the end, most of the fluid "issues" just come down to the fluid simulation doing what it's supposed to do (combined with the fact that machines consume chunks of liquid all at once instead of actually having a constant intake)

Fixing the "issues" with fluids probably means a total fluids rewrite.

Though I have heard that there's a mod which lets you tweak a lot of pipe values in the code, and apparently there's some stuff you can do in there which can bypass some of folks' main pain points

Forget what that's called though (and don't know what those values are)

[unkempt blade]

Ok but then I have a physics questions. What state is chunky liquid is that like jello?

[wicked nacelle]

I'm still convinced they just found a research paper on a real-time fluid simulation and implemented it blindly without really thinking about what they were doing. I doubt anyone there actually knows how it works -- much less how to change how it works to make it more game friendly

[upper gale]

Btw rotating the conveyor sometimes fixes it, but it's not for all cases. If you mess around with it over time you'll know when it will work and when it won't. But yeah otherwise just go with default

[ivory condor]

I tried the pipe tuner mod, unfortunately didn't fix my issues, because apparently pipes have throughput issues that mods can't fix either...

[white dawn]

Well, regardless, there are at least build methods which nearly always work

[ivory condor]

I tried it but it basically didn't work, same issues are pressnt

[white dawn]

I haven't actually had throughput problems on pipes in years since I just succumbed to the Community Best Practices for piping.

[twilit tinsel]

like looping the manifolds like this? #screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

I changed much of my pipes to packaged stuff (including like 16000/m fuel) -- and the design is so much easier. but RIP my FPS 🙁

[white dawn]

I did spend plenty of time fighting with 600/min problems years ago, when I first started playing the game, but I eventually decided I'd had enough of that and just went with the recommendations

(at the time, I'm not actually sure that our current recommendations had really coalesced)

[stray herald]

Yeah I gotta watch some guides

[peak wasp]

I like building up

[unkempt blade]

and as an added bonus you can now move the packages with the best liquid logistics solution, the factory cart

[white dawn]

Heh, to avoid pasting it for a third time in like ten minutes, it's basically just this: #satisfactory message

[peak wasp]

also elevators are cool af

[topaz shale]

I swear ever since I learned to just make sure that all input pipes for machines be lifted to be above the input port of that machine, I never had fluid issues. Then again, I have made sure to not have a full 600/min of fluid go through a mk2 pipe unless it is water or oil.

[unkempt blade]

What we really need is a mk3 pipe. It won't fix anything people complain about but it WILL shift the target away from the mk2 which will be a nice change of pace

[upper gale]

& avoid bottom feeding unless you're pretty confident

[stray herald]

Why is point 6 a thing? What does it change which order I build?

[silk ocean]

Maybe the Mk.3 pipe should be wider diameter... that will really delight everyone XD

[twilit tinsel]

okay its deciding to work for now but idk if it will keep it up

[ivory condor]

Yes you got it, unfortunately when you want to do 600m3 with pipe manifolds, it means running two pipes, to connect both ends like that and then having it all go into the output pipe line

Any other building method I have always had throughput issues with

[wicked nacelle]

I actually think a wider 2400/m mk3 pipe with adapters for connecting mk1/2 pipes to it would be super cool. And a 2400/m water extractor mk2, too

[twilit tinsel]

ohhh like 2 splitters on the main line then connect them at the end?

[silk ocean]

Yea XD

[white dawn]

It's mostly just to guard against junction-snaps creating really short pipe segments, when junctions are placed too closely to pipe intersection points. Really small segments can screw things up

[unkempt blade]

we all know that the size of the pipe doesn't matter it's how you manage the sloshing fluids inside it

[white dawn]

Point 6 in there honestly rarely comes up in practice -- you can generally do just fine even if you do snap -- but given how often we do see incredibly short pipe segments due to stuff like that, I felt it was worth throwing it in there

[twilit tinsel]

this would actually be amazing

[silk ocean]

I suspect slosh would still be a thing yep 😄

[upper gale]

The sloshing we never visually see but know it happens

[ivory condor]

Well you could do that but you have the general idea down

[silk ocean]

Coming up next... glass pipes? XD

[white dawn]

Technically you could watch a pipe segment's flow meter and infer that sloshing is going on by the rate that quickly bounces past zero. But the meter isn't signed, so you've gotta kind of intuit that it's changing directions

[ivory condor]

Pipe loops do seem to be necessary for mk2 pipes in general when trying to get 600m3, as a workaround for the throughput issues

[unkempt blade]

That'll definitely help our frame rates. I'll second this idea

[silk ocean]

lol

[limpid cairn]

Frame rate is just an illusion

[white dawn]

I always just build looped manifolds no matter what my flow rate is, nowadays

Nice standard pipe builds, and practically-guaranteed performance.

If one finds such arrangements ugly, that might feel like an annoying concession to make

[ivory condor]

And say work around because it seems to be a patch work solution to try to mitigate whatever stops mk2 pipes from working at full capacity, personally I blame something is wrong with however this game is calculating things like flow rate, I can see that is partly true as pipes become more empty

[unkempt blade]

My pipe idea was pipe outlets that are just portals since those are canon now. Anyone who doesn't like liquid physics could just pay 5mw per outlet or whatever and bypass it

[coral glacier]

Although, CPU intensity is real

[topaz shale]

I still have yet to need to do this but only because I haven't had a build that needed 600/min of a fluid.

[white dawn]

I know CobaltOfDoom actually does do bottomfeeding quite often, and uses a kind of adapted loop under the floor to do it. :P

[white dawn]

Technically the 600/min issues can pop up even before that, especially at 300/min on mk1s. It's trying to get the full flow rate on a pipe where it's most likely to be problematic. But yeah, 300/min on mk1s is more forgiving regardless, so it pops up less often then

[twilit tinsel]

okay i have 0/m flow rate but stuff is still moving around i love this game

[coral glacier]

That's a neat bug

[topaz shale]

Yeah I tend to use mk2 pipes no matter the flow rate. Haven't had any issues yet doing this as well as gravity feeding.

Pipes are so funny in this game

[stray herald]

It';s like some of the oil just vanishes I swear
I pre-filled all pipes, including the residue and such, and 10 minutes later machines are stopping due to not enough oil input despite me using a 900 Oil/min deposit with 4 extractors

[shut valley]

sorry if this is stated elsewhere, but are there any items that let you set a cap on how much of something is produced? like lets say i only want 200 copper wire (random number) at any given time, is there a cap i can set on a constructer to only make that amount and keep it in a container or sum

[twilit tinsel]

I just want to finish this power plant ive been working on it for like 40 hours and like 10 of those are just to sloshing

[shy mulch]

A lot of people get so fixated on "it's not right, you must fix this so I can do it the way it should be" and put so much effort into arguing the point, when just accepting it isn't perfect and use one of the very many simple workarounds and move on

[stray herald]

Yes!
You unlock it by collecting the glowing worms around the map and researching them in the MAM. You can then overclock or underclock buildings. If a building usually makes 30 of something, you can set it to anything between 0 and 90!

[coral glacier]

Exactly.
There isn't the right or wrong way, just some ways take longer :P

[ivory condor]

Well yes to a point but pipe loops do appear to be necessary with mk2 pipes, so i would say its a needed concession as I never found any other work around solution

[topaz shale]

Agreed. As long as it works for ya, then definitely no need to change it unless you like the way it looks since the rule of cool trumps all other rules.

[shut valley]

ah perfect
what phase is that unlocked at?

[stray herald]

I edited my message, please check it again:D

[shy mulch]

well, yes, sort of. there are some things that are obviously bugs, but to me working around them with known workarounds are reliable enough and is a lot less effort than people are putting into arguing about it

[coral glacier]

ah yes phase 90

[shut valley]

ahhh lovely 💖 tyy

[stray herald]

You only need the MAM unlocked which is Phase 1 or 2 I think

[coral glacier]

I find it fun to playtest certain aspects in a creative world and fix anything that doesn't work and then build it in my survival world.

[shy mulch]

Tonights task is sorting out all my SAM usage, it's a mess

[coral glacier]

Have fun with that

[upper gale]

200 in total, no
200 per minute, yes

[shy mulch]

My new megafactory is going to need 2200/min, but all my nodes are used up, but I do have much more than 2200/min spare, it's just a bit here and a bit there all over the place. Going to try and pull all the SAM in the world into one place then distribute it where it's needed from there

[coral glacier]

Right now i'm working on my plutonium plant farm.

[shy mulch]

I have a feeling this little side project is going to end up way bigger than intended

[ivory condor]

While I agree, problem is the game doesnt tell you about any of this, so from a user experience you expect something to do what it says, because the game gives you no logical why it shouldn't, so I can only disagree on that, because the game gives no expectation it should be that way

[shy mulch]

I agree it's not perfect, but honestly, finding workarounds that work is still a lot less effort than people are putting into campaigning to change it. I don't see the point.

[ivory condor]

And you can tell because players even now expect mk2 pipes should do 600m3, which is reasonable because thats what the game says, but that in reality isnt the case

[sterile blade]

You can put single items to fill up slots in a storage container so it only has space for X stacks of Wire (or whatever you input into it)

[coral glacier]

And for the waste, it is a hassle to set up, but i'm just going to run the plutonium waste into ficsonium reactors because i don't want waste build-up, and i just don't like storing waste in general, knowing it's there.

[shut valley]

ahhh thats a good method

ty

[twilit tinsel]

okay i waited like 10 minutes and it worked like a lot of the time but then it decided to slow down i was pretty sure it would be because it was filled up but no its like not even half filled up i swear and i mean it should only take a few minutes to fill this up but idk i love fluids in this game

[white dawn]

We're slighly playing semantics here, but the pipes themselves are perfectly capable of 600/min; it's the manifolding technique which ends up causing stuff like sloshing, and therefore throughput issues (which, yeah, pipe looping is one of the most effective ways of dealing with)

I do 100% agree that the user experience with it is not good, though

I didn't think that CSS was going to overhaul pipes for 1.0 (they only really got to grips with the problems that a lot of folks run into pretty late in the beta phase leading up to 1.0), but I was hoping that they'd figure out a decent way to ease players into the "better" ways of handling manifolds

[ivory condor]

Change, not sure what you, only thing im campaigning for is mk2 actually doing what the game says, which to be honest is more than reasonable

[white dawn]

The user experience is made worse since, by and large, pipes are far more forgiving prior to 600/min, so the stuff you're used to working suddenly doesn't, and that's not a great feeling

[smoky nimbus]

Is there a good way to equalize pipes?

[ivory condor]

Because to be honest how mk2 pipes work is nothing I can consider reasonable, sorry to say

[shy mulch]

yes, but don't tell anyone

[white dawn]

What do you mean by "equalize," btw?

[smoky nimbus]

pipe load balancer

[wicked nacelle]

they work like any other manifold system (as much as pipes work). As long as you're providing more than you're consuming it will fill up and then the right amount will go to each thing that wants it

[white dawn]

Aha. It can certainly be done, but as always: I highly recommend simplicity. Keep the pipes separate; process them in separate sets of machines.

[twilit tinsel]

i actually like give up on mk2 pipes im gonna destroy all of my mk2 pipes on this and just ty mk1

[white dawn]

When a pipe network goes screwy, you want as few potential points of failure. As soon as you make a pipe network more complicated than it needs to be, you're griefing yourself with debugging time

[smoky nimbus]

i'd rather just have two equal pipes so I can pump them into 30 refineries each for my turbofuel

[white dawn]

Long manifolds are especially susceptible to flow-rate problems, btw. I highly recommend building those in smaller modules

[wicked nacelle]

and of course you can always package the liquid, load balance the packaged stuff, then unpackage

[shy mulch]

if the total liquid going in is equal or more than the amount you're using, it'll all just work itself out, same as a belt manifold. with pipes there is sloshing though, easy way to deal with that is don't have an "end", make it in a loop, then it works fine

[white dawn]

(Those problems can often be mitigated with the techniques I pasted a few times above, but still)

[ivory condor]

Fair, mk2 pipes do seem to be frustrating from a user experience if anything else, but if you still want to use them i would suggest staying with the workaround solutions

[smoky nimbus]

if i use a junction with valves on the two outputs does it essentially turn it into a one-way splitter?

[twilit tinsel]

i think they lowk just hate me 💔

[smoky nimbus]

i've got two 480 fuel pipes and one 240 pipe, i need the 240 to go to both of the 480 pipes so it equals both out

[shut valley]

is there stuff in the water thats gonna eat me btw lmfao

[smoky nimbus]

rebar them twin

[ivory condor]

They hate me to🙂

[shut valley]

im begging you to check #screenshots rn 😭

that might be the stupidest possible solution to a problem that actually worked

[plain gate]

LMAO

[ivory condor]

Lol

[smoky nimbus]

fucking fullboxed 😭

[steady glade]

r-click copy message link, makes it easy to find ur message

[dim flint]

OK, dumb question. I have a bad habit of pressing RMB to exit build mode. But it always takes me back to the build menu, how can I exit easily?

[shut valley]

😭 😭 😭

[steady glade]

a

[shy mulch]

not out at sea, but islands often have stuff on them that will shoot at you

[shut valley]

like hey if it worksa it works 🤷

[twilit tinsel]

wait this is actually like a amazing a idea what if i make like a zoo or smth

[plain gate]

i would stick 100 nukes to it and blow it up

[shut valley]

LOL

[plain gate]

click the hotbar bind again

[dim flint]

???

[dim flint]

doesn't work if I've changed my input with 'e'

[shut valley]

just average how much harder are the spiders than the hogs

am i gonna get packed up if i try to kill one lol

[plain gate]

esc

[dim flint]

that would involve moving my hand pretty far :(((

[plain gate]

its like 1 inch away from WASD

[dim flint]

Double right click while swiping right is faster, just awkward.

[dim flint]

it's a super awkward movement and then you risk missing wasd when you come back.

[remote plank]

how should i go up a very big hill that doesnt really have a path with a train

[smoky nimbus]

the issue is they swarm you

[smoky nimbus]

ladder