satisfactory

[peak grove]

ill just go get coal and figure it out

[atomic gale]

and use those as inputs to other things

[warped marsh]

you only need pumps for going up

[atomic gale]

so it doesn't make snese to always go back to the bus for stuff like that

[peak grove]

oh true nodes are set values in the game

[atomic gale]

especially since you'd need TONS of belts to have to represent all input/output

[mossy rock]

it goes up a pipe length

[atomic gale]

the max belt rate is 780/minute

[plain gate]

1200 as of 1.0

[atomic gale]

oh im at tier 5 lol

but yeah it's not "that much" in terms of things you need tons of

[warped marsh]

things that output liquids apply about a 10 metre headlift so you only need a pump if its more than that

[atomic gale]

like screws

[plain gate]

conveyors made even less sense before autoconnect was a thing

[plain gate]

theres a lot of things you can saturate several mk6 belts with

aluminum, oil products, concrete, copper, etc...

[mossy rock]

putting one anyway, to important to risk

[warped marsh]

youll see if you need a pump because the upper pipe will be empty

[mossy rock]

my thing isnt powered on cuz im still building it

[atomic gale]

if you want to transport them all to a central location and use a big bus for all of that sure, i typically don't add lower level stuff like that to a main bus unless it's used in small amounts

[plain gate]

i still don't quite get what you mean by your buses, as in factorio style?

[warped marsh]

factorio style :3

[unreal sand]

Coal :3

[unreal sand]

Theres MK6 belts????

[warped marsh]

sure is

[unreal sand]

confusion

[warped marsh]

whats confusing

number go up:D

[slender quest]

Avaliable very late though, gotta use other belts until then.

[shrewd palm]

i wish they did something else for mk5 belts ngl

780/min is so annoying to work with

[warped marsh]

thats why its 780 lol

[atomic gale]

D:

why do the devs hate us

[warped marsh]

make you think about things a bit

[glad drum]

Petition to make it 810 to make it faster but also kinda worse

[warped marsh]

putting in my vote for 817

[plain gate]

why stop there, why not add one more

[pure rock]

they should add a apllied energisticts 2 type in the game

[vivid spade]

Putting my vote for 779

[peak grove]

fuck it throw a decimal

779.3

[unreal sand]

Why?

[vivid spade]

779.48

[warped marsh]

they should just me place vertical splitters so i dont have to do really dumb things to get them in the right place

[unreal sand]

More decimals

779.9999999999999999999

[vivid spade]

779.pi

[shy mulch]

Anyone got any nicely designed structures to go around a nitrogen gas extraction area? Looking for inspiration

[vivid spade]

I'm not doing all that

[warped marsh]

theyre all multiples of 30 so theyre not that bad

[shrewd palm]

most recipes (especially when you're making blueprints) usually dont come out to a number that works very well with 780

[atomic gale]

i wish belts were powers of 2 🙁

[shrewd palm]

and mk6 belts are really nice because basically everything fits nicely into 1200/min

[vivid spade]

Powers of π

[unreal sand]

AAAAAA NOT PI

[unreal sand]

flashbacks to pre calculus

[atomic gale]

everyone knows pi = 3

[unreal sand]

.141592

[atomic gale]

noise

[glad drum]

Can't wait for Mk.7 belts that transport 6969

[unreal sand]

bonk

[peak grove]

peition for all belts to go up in fibbonaci

[unreal sand]

Exponencial conveyor speed

[vivid spade]

Why is my other server talking about eating moms 💀

[peak wasp]

can anyone give me some tips in #screenshots my rear genies not getting enough coal

[shy mulch]

Petition for belts to work with +50% speed if you constantly feed them oil 😄

[rigid glen]

https://tenor.com/view/no-shake-my-head-golden-girls-smh-oh-man-gif-14406870892947143609

[shrewd palm]

give the manifold some time to fill up, if it doesnt then underclock them to 1% and let it fill up before bringing them back to normal speed

[rigid glen]

Did you prime all the gens with a stack of coal?

[peak wasp]

I think it's 60/m, that won't be ebough for 8?

[shrewd palm]

letting manifolds fill isnt too important if you dont care about having everything be the most efficuent but you absolutely should do that for anything related to power

[peak wasp]

yup

[warped marsh]

60 a minute is only enough for 4

[rigid glen]

8 gens need 120 coal pm

[peak wasp]

yeah I can't count

[glad drum]

1. Ensure there is enough coal being provided.
2. Ensure all belts are fast enough.
3. Ensure any mergers do not have glitched conveyors within. This happens when you place--

Edit yes that

[peak wasp]

that is the problem

thx folks

[rigid glen]

gl

[frail sleet]

It's mainly the number of machines within a spherical area around you that hurts FPS.

Building 2d (single floor) i've been able to place thousands of machines with minimal hit

but if you make blueprint stacks of stuff in 3d space, you get like 10x the density and it really wrecks performance even with fewer machines because they are all near you at max LOD.

[warped marsh]

120 coal and 3 water pumps to 8 coal gens

[unreal sand]

Efficiency is for nerds lol

[plain gate]

wouldnt everything be incredibly far away from each other and therefore u need lots of belts and belts = lag anyways...

tiny bit better but a nightmare to organize

[vivid spade]

Could I make my 1260 pm manifold better

For quickwire

[frail sleet]

further away yes, but not that much

[unreal sand]

How do i manufacture aluminum

[plain gate]

whats the scale youre building eg spelevator p/m or something

[warped marsh]

gonna need about 50,000 time crystals to upgrade my bus lmao

[frail sleet]

1.1 tw ficsonium and full project assembly every 20mins without overclocking anything other than extractors

i've got most of the power down and it's still doing 100-150 base FPS before framegen, but i've seen builds with fewer buildings at like 30fps.

[plain gate]

oops wrong link

[plain gate]

bauxite -> sloppy alumina -> electrode scrap -> ingot

[rigid glen]

This is Tier 7 I think, it's a complex manufacturing chain

[vivid spade]

Water and the resource that starts with b idk how to spell it in a refinery to make aluminum solution

[warped marsh]

cry mostly

[vivid spade]

I don't understand how it's complicated

[unreal sand]

Bauxite

[shy mulch]

with bauxite and water

[plain gate]

2.5 pasta/min not bad... ig would be small

[unreal sand]

It’s French

[vivid spade]

Yeah that

[glad drum]

#screenshots message do you think I can even beat the game playing like this or am i gonna have lag issues eventually lmao

edit: i have a good computer

[plain gate]

wait what without overclocking? 1.1tw 😭 😭

[shy mulch]

one way to find out, let us know how it goes

[unkempt blade]

needs more factory carts for sure

[frail sleet]

at the very least it will start taking the game 5-10s seconds to build a belt or pipe because of the way they are built, it's based on how many of that belt/pipe you already have in the world even if they're unrelated. Not a sudden dropoff in performance though, gradual. I also have it with foundations because i have 100k of them and placing even 1 foundation stutters the game

[glad drum]

Maybe later I'll make a catwalk raceway for factory carts

[boreal musk]

lol its just the placing, imagine dismantling 50 of them at once

[frail sleet]

50 or 1 has the same stutter

[vivid spade]

I like making aluminum production lines

[glad drum]

Considering I already have nearly 33km of belts placed and I haven't even made steel yet, I'm a bit worried... but I'm sure it'll be fiiiiine.

[frail sleet]

Yeah i have 1000km of belts/pipes and it's playable

it's just very notably worse than the regular game 😄

[glad drum]

All nearby or spread out? - Oh OK that should be fine then

[frail sleet]

doesn't seem to matter

and from what i've heard, you might be able to have like 500km mk.1, 500km mk.2, 500km mk.3 etc and they won't cumulatively slow each other in that way because they're different objects

[rigid glen]

I'm always dumbfounded at the amount of work people put themselves through on this game 🙂

[glad drum]

Interesting. Good to know - I am leaning more towards mk.1 right now because more belts = more spaghetti = more fun

[peak grove]

welcome to automation games

[frail sleet]

autismomation games

[plain gate]

trains organization skills a lot

[boreal musk]

not for me tho, dismantling 50 foundations at once made my game goes into seconds/frame, compared to 1 each

[shy mulch]

I have 306Km of belts, 107Km of pipes, 96Km of rail. I should try to pump those rookie numbers up

[peak grove]

I regret getting the screws straight from metal recipe instead of copper wires from metal recipe

theres so much pure iron next to where I make coal rn 😭

[warped marsh]

my bus is about a kilometre long and has 75 lanes on it so i guess thats 75 kiolmetres of belt for that lol

[rigid glen]

Open a few more hard drives without choosing an option, they'll build up and you'll likely see what you need soon enough,

easy, but time consuming searching for drives

[distant pulsar]

I think I'm gonna make a belt highway "floor" that has a glass ceiling so anywhere I walk I can see the belts underneath my feet

[coral sundial]

This is getting too complex lol

[frail sleet]

It's cool, but glass is only transparent if you're nearby

so glass at medium distance will not be transparent

i dont use a lot of glass because of that limitation, i like to build big and when the window at the other side of your factory starts being a wall instead of a window it doesn't look great

[distant pulsar]

Oh that's a bummer

Product idea: glass that you can see through

[peak wasp]

are 3 water extractors enough for 8 coal genies?

i think i did 3 before

[distant pulsar]

You know what I'll make the ceiling out of those black beam foundations

No glass

[distant pulsar]

Yes

[shy mulch]

Yes, but you need to consider the throughput of your pipes

[white dawn]

Yes, though you have to be creative with the piping, since that's 360/min water using pipes that can only handle 300/min

[peak wasp]

right up to the manifold, I have 300 flow rate, but the piping is bad after that i think

[distant pulsar]

something something search command cg

[peak wasp]

#screenshots where im standing is 300, the rest.. nope

[distant pulsar]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[peak wasp]

that's what i was looking for thank you
I know what the issue is now, cheers 🙂

I don't undersxtand why I try and cramp every build

l;ike there is so much space >_<

[distant pulsar]

Maybe childhood trauma of an unstable home environment and needing to conserve resources

[merry perch]

efficiency

[peak wasp]

spot on

[cunning glade]

How does one get glass foundation or ceilings

It says mam

[true mulch]

It tells you what exactly you need to research no?

Iirc it's Quartz chain/Silica

[cunning glade]

It says silica

But the fun part is I have that already

[true mulch]

Oh it doesn't say which chain

Mods?

[cunning glade]

Do I have any no

Oh wait

There's one I missed ig

That does give shop stuff

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @true mulch

[cunning glade]

I'm already in the discord

First playthrough so vanilla

[stray herald]

Is producing 9 Heavy Modular frames a minute good enough for a first factory?

[simple spear]

any satisfactory aesthectic builders on?

[plain gate]

unless you know your end goal youre probably gonna end up making more

[stray herald]

Yeah true

[true mulch]

#design-and-architecture

Make more when you know exactly how much more you need

Don't waste time trying to future proof

9/min is plenty for building

@stray herald

[stray herald]

Oh yeah IDK where I'm even at in terms of what I need for production. I just finished Phase 3 and decided to start building a train network so I'm just trying to figure out what kind of factories I need for now

I'll need a computer and a heavy frame factories for now

Just debating the counts

[true mulch]

Make what you need for building only

[vapid pewter]

its hard trying to find peopel to play with

[true mulch]

Once you get to automating e.g. Supercomputers, just make more Computers within that factory

[true mulch]

You can reply to other posts in #1201555265942724758 rather than just posting yourself

[vapid pewter]

i have just no one has responded or just doesnt

[cunning glade]

Okay I lied

Non of them say shop stuff now

Idk if it's the edibles or the game

[true mulch]

Bruh

[cunning glade]

I'd show a photo but I can't

The priority merger said shop stuff

But now it does not

That did not give it cool

[true mulch]

Well it's 19-22 o'clock in the US and 4 o'clock in Europe

[vapid pewter]

its 9 for me rn

ig i will wait till tmr to find out

[true mulch]

#screenshots

[cunning glade]

It's posting

[peak wasp]

Can anyone explain path signals to me like I am a complete idiot 5 year old child?

[cunning glade]

I also have glass walls💔

I got it

It's cuz u need too do actual roofs

[dense violet]

Path in, block out.

Or just use block signals everywhere

[true mulch]

Block signals: 1 train allowed in, period.
Path signals: a train can only enter the block if it can exit. Multiple trains are allowed in if their paths don't cross (the game figures this out automatically but it's broken if the junction isn't level). Trains reserve paths to enter, so the signal is red by default, which may cause them to brake if approaching if the block before the path signal is short

[cunning glade]

God forbid it could just add both too cart

[keen shuttle]

#screenshots message how do i see my buildings on the map

[peak wasp]

Ahaaaa

[true mulch]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[keen shuttle]

oh

[peak wasp]

I will try this junction again with path in/block out and see if it works. I gave up before and build a bridge over a line cause it was too much hassle

[keen shuttle]

:o[

[dense violet]

You can also just use block signals. Nothing ever forces you to use path

[true mulch]

The "in" signals determine what kind of block it is, block block or path block

That's why they must match

[hollow hemlock]

Or go without signals and enjoy the show

[true mulch]

Theoretically with the right timetable settings and timing, you don't need signals 😛

[frail sleet]

what's broken exactly if the junctions aren't level? By level i assume that you mean, like, clipping?

[plain gate]

anyone remember the plutonium waste:fisc rod ratio

[dense violet]

Just stick it in a planner it’ll be faster

[noble moon]

is there a way to get the throuput monitor to stop being so sensitive? IE, display item per minute averaged over say 5 minutes instead of it jumping up and down?

[dense violet]

Have a stable belt

[noble moon]

ok no need for personal attacks

(joke)

[dense violet]

That’s literally how you stop the numbers from going up and down

Or just don’t use them because you know what you’re putting on your belt

[noble moon]

ideally yea, but i'm trying to diagnose problems and it'd be handy if it kept a longer rolling tally

[dense violet]

They are terrible diagnostic tools

Look at the lights of the consumers or producers

Look for flashing yellow lights

If your consumers are starving follow the logistics backward ms until you spot a throughput issue or see if the producers are clogged

[wary vessel]

You can also check the uptime percentage on those machines

Less than 100% means suboptimal power usage and insufficient supply

Or backup

[glad drum]

I never remember - should I do more steel beams or more pipes

I'll have 540 steel output - currently no alts for beams or pipes

[dense violet]

Those meters are also not super reliable and you’ll need to check the belts and everything anyway

[dense violet]

Depends what you’re doing with them honestly

[glad drum]

everything - I just realized i can do 6 machines of each so ill probably go with that

[dense violet]

It’s easy enough to swap the machines after too

But if you use NO alts probably beams. Lots of alts use pipes though

[rose lotus]

why does my FPS crap out every time i am jumping over a hog

it is very specific

the FPS is good as they paw the ground and look at me, then when they charge and I jump, my FPS goes to like 5-8 FPS, and then it goes back to normal after they have passed

[cunning glade]

Can u connect a junction too a floor hole a pipe one

[peak wasp]

Gas does not load onto trains without being packaged? Is that right?

[bronze atlas]

have you tried a fluid loading station? gasses use pipes when they arent packaged. But i havent tried it myself yet with a train

[glad drum]

yes it can- it counts as a fluid

[peak wasp]

hmmm

[bronze atlas]

Im looking to build an unload station for the space elevator that will load all items into the elevator and then divert when there is too many into a sink.

The issue im running into is there is always a few items between the splitter and the elevator input that just sit there when its full. Is there any automated way to avoid that? or do i just have to go remove them manually.

[languid marlin]

I don't think it's avoidable.

[bronze atlas]

sad. Might have to try the mod for logic gates.

[languid marlin]

You can try to get splitters closer to minimize it, but you'd always just be putting in another logistics building with a bit of belt between it and the input

[bronze atlas]

the idea is that i could just stop delivering items when i finish a phase and then send a train with the new items, but unfortunately it sounds like thats not gonna happen without me cleaning it up between changes.

[languid marlin]

Or embrace it, make a control room with lifts full of space elevator parts

Maybe a trophy room

[languid marlin]

Oh I see, maybe you could do something with buffers/splitters?

[cursive crane]

Your best option is a smart splitter close to it that overflows elsewhere.

Youll still have a couple [possible 1-2] on the belt between, but if you get it close enough it shouldnt really matter

[bronze atlas]

i think the main issue is just that the conveyor before the input to the elevator will get clogged no matter what once its full and will require manual emptying, as i cant figure out a way to keep the belt empty unless there is room to deposit an item

[languid marlin]

But then the next phase's parts would overflow because the input belts full of something else

[cursive crane]

Multiple belts. Could overflow to the next splitter in line

Would really only work for one phase at a time

And would eventually need manually checks.

[languid marlin]

There's only 6 or so inputs right? I've only ever done it manually

[cursive crane]

But thats as good as its gonna get

[languid marlin]

But there's more project parts than inputs so I think the problem is unavoidable

[cursive crane]

The time between phases is so long for the average player, and the parts all build into each other so its to your advantage to continue their production both for the next phase and for sinking [project parts are the highest values]

That its like... you really dont have 5 seconds to empty a few belts? Lol

[languid marlin]

If you do a lift into an input can you put a splitter right on that?

[bronze atlas]

yeah setup that i have now works well for the current phase, but once i switch over theres cleanup to do i was hoping to be able to automate and avoid.

its not that i dont have time

[cursive crane]

Probably but same issue

[bronze atlas]

its that i played factorio for so long, NOT being able to prevent it through logic gates hurts my soul, making me lift fingers and such.

[cursive crane]

Automating it will take more time than just.. putting in whats needed

[languid marlin]

You think the bit of lift from the splitter would fill up? I think it's the best chance here

[cursive crane]

Lifts are just vertical belts. There would still be a piece or two in the lift

Literally same issue

[languid marlin]

It's an automation game, this isn't cause it's necessary, it's for fun and style

[languid marlin]

Yeah I guess so, too bad

[cursive crane]

Its a factory building game, with some automation as a way to achieve that

[languid marlin]

I'll test it when I get a chance anyway

So you're saying it's more of a building game?

[cursive crane]

People like to say its factorio because automation. But it literally says it on the game description on the steam page

"Satisfactory is a first-person open-world factory building game with a dash of exploration and combat. Play alone or with friends, explore an alien planet, create multi-story factories, and enter conveyor belt heaven!"

Doesnt even mention automation. Its implied in "factory"

[languid marlin]

I just look at 'factory building' as a word for automation that sounds better for marketing

I'm not inherently right here though

[cursive crane]

Unfortunately there seems to be a lot more people who play for the building part than the factory part lol

[dense violet]

You can but gas doesn’t like being out into buffers. Package it if you want full throughput

[dense violet]

But you don’t want to treat it like a fluid in this case

[languid marlin]

I wouldn't say unfortunately, I think people gravitate towards building cause it's a pretty good building system

But I'm more here for the factory/automation

[cursive crane]

Don't get me wrong I love both and as a result love the game

But there are a lot better experiences out there if you are looking for automation lol

[languid marlin]

I've tried the factorio demo, it didn't hook me but I'll give it a second chance

[dense violet]

Thats bevause space elevator parts are a temp need and every single other production line in the game is static. Hence no point for logic gates

[languid marlin]

Shapez 2's a good one I find

[peak wasp]

doing a truck station until I get rail, no more long spaghetti conveyors 🙂

[glad drum]

i just did spaghetti, threw it on a train and it worked ezpz - i'm a simple man... good to know for the future though

[peak wasp]

My uranium cell blender has twice stopped even though it has all the items and power.. whyyy

[gilded idol]

Last time I played was 2021 my two sided 16 coal powered generator worked then it no longer works now what do I do

[rose lotus]

actually the AMD control panel is complaining a lot about my getting terrible performance in SF

despite this being a $2000 card

and being able to run games far more demanding than SF at max settings with steady 60 FPS

[peak wasp]

I have Nvidia 4060 laptop version and it runs perfect. 16gb rams

[spark sky]

You know, I was watching some videos on YouTube and, I realized something about Satisfactory. If you're not all about rushing to finish the game's goals (or even if you are), this game allows you to spend time being creative in ways that a lot of other games don't. You can take your time, follow the story or not. You can take a year building someting and exploring before you send your first batch of items up the space elevator (but you probably won't because you want to unlock more ways to explore your creativity). I saw a video where the player's challenge to himself was to play through the entire game only using machines to do the work he couldn't do by hand, avoiding building anything that could be defined as a factory.

I'm sure there are oportunities to be creative in building things in a lot of other games, but, well, I built a doggo kennel. first it was just a walled-in area with some squares of the floor sectioned off by short walls that I could jump over, just to keep them separated so that I could be sure that I got all the stuff they were finding. Then I lost one through a foundation and decided that wasn't good enough. I tried a few different designs, attempting to find a design that was compact (for the number of doggos I had found) and yet allowed me to access them without them getting out. Then I started unlocking new walls and other things in the Awesome Shop, and came up with a new design that, surprisingly, worked.

Next I found out that, at some point in the game, the doggos were going to start giving me radioactive waste, which was going to kill me on contact. Now, I could leave it on the doggos, but that would eventually end up with all of them being useless for anything but what Let's Game it Out did with his (and I didn't have the heart to do that to the poor things).

[Discord says I need to start a new message now, so...]

[rose lotus]

yes I should be able to get an extremely solid and high FPS with the hardware I have

and yet https://i.imgur.com/WvjBOlB.png

[peak wasp]

I need to sort out my cooling though cause it does run pretty hot!

[cursive crane]

Just heads up they dont give waste anymore

[spark sky]

Having figured out what to do with that situation, I came up with a design that satisfied both me and the doggos (who were now content to remain in their little cubbie holes). I built a blueprint for it. Then, I just couldn't leave it alone, I had to see just how far I could go with the asthetics of the design, adding stuff to the edges, pushing the boundaries of the Blueprint Designer (with walls and beams right on the edge of the foundations and beams that I had used to build it). That's just a doggo kennel. Just think how much time people put into the beautiful creations that I see posted on YouTube and in screenshots here. I'd like to thank the developers for making an amazing game that we can create such beautiful (or chaotic) 3-dimensional artwork in, that has function as well as form. There will probably always be a bug to squash or an exploit to dismantle, but the game will continue to be great, as long as they keep to their core design beliefs.

[spark sky]

They don't? Well, I think I'll keep the design, anyway, if for nothing else than a nod to the game's growing pains.

[cursive crane]

They did before 1.0, but it was removed for full release

[peak wasp]

trucks/stations are cool!

[spark sky]

At any rate, this was about the artistic process, and the fact that we've been given this oportunity to be this creative. Not all of us can build stuff in Blender or some other 3D program, but with some creative use of the building blocks provided, we can come up with some amazing things. Without the developers making the game able to do these things, we would have no means of doing so. I'm not anywhere near what some of those people can do, and I probably don't have the time they have, either, but I can appreciate what has been done, and what amazing things will be done in the future.

[sterile blade]

Does building artistic sushi count as factoring or building?

[spark sky]

And, hey, I don't know of a single YouTube video that was about making a doggo kennel.

[cursive crane]

Both. Its contributing to the factory by building... interesting structures

[cursive crane]

Theres literally someone who made a 1000 doggo building or something lol

[spark sky]

It could be. Not everything that I saw Let's Game it Out make was completely chaotic. He had something that he did with belts, splitters and mergers that was more like a beautiful tiled design than his normal chaotic stuff. I want to go back and look at that and see how he did it.

[sterile blade]

Tbf, any of us could learn doing cool things in Blender just like we learned doing cool things in SF.
It's just not as fun to learn and pick up a software like Blender rather than a game like SF :P

[spark sky]

I was showing someone how I had nudged containers into each other to save space (sometimes connecting them to each other to store more of something in that smaller space). He asked me if the clipping wasn't annoying. I told him that the clipping was a "feature" of my design 🙂

[sterile blade]

Rather than the LIGIO chaos, I was referring to more... Precise buildings 😅 😆
(eg: #screenshots message)

[peak wasp]

Why the hell my blender keep stoping even though it has all the suppliers and power

[sterile blade]

Now imagine the day someone manages to make a game that actually teaches how to use Blender (and still managed to be fun, ofc)...

[sterile blade]

How are the output inventories? ^^

[peak wasp]

Not full in the next machine

[sterile blade]

Huh?

[spark sky]

It also depends on your motivation. If you have something beyond (like a mod for a game) that the thing you are learning to design is going to, then perhaps the learning curve in those 3D programs is worth it. For me, I found Wings3D with MathLab to be much easier to learn, but then difficult to import the results into Blender to do the finishing touches on. Blender overwhelms me with options.

[sterile blade]

What "next machine"?

[peak wasp]

Manufacturer

[sterile blade]

I asked about the blenders 😅

[peak wasp]

Output on the blender is not full

[sterile blade]

Machines all have both input and output inventories

[peak wasp]

Output on the blender is 0

50 sulfuric acid and 0 sorry

Ohhhh the sulfuric acid needs drained

[sterile blade]

Are you sure that the instant they go idle they're not lacking input or full of output for moment?

[peak wasp]

Nah its cause the sulfuric acid needs drained out or the machine backs up

[sterile blade]

Yeah, that's a "full output inventory" issue ^^

[sterile blade]

Yeah, that's what I was getting at (also see #satisfactory message)
Games give you an objective, tools to achieve it and an overall fun experience in learning how to achieve your objective.
Normal software just give you the tools and sometimes knowledge, but skip the whole "fun" part 😆

Ofc, one could still find them fun to use, but that's more personal preference than due to how the software is made to be fun

[true mulch]

No, level as in level, idk another term for it. If the junction is an uneven mess, it won't recognize how the paths overlap properly and allow trains in even though they'll collide

[frail sleet]

I wouldn't want to have tracks going through other tracks if that's what you mean?

[true mulch]

As in it doesn't seem to work in 3D, only 2D. Or if 3D, the height of the hitbox seems to be only as tall as the physics hitbox of the railway rather than a 10 meter tall volume around it

[frail sleet]

works fine if you account for the spacing?

[true mulch]

Flat junction: ok
Cloverleaf interchange where the bridge is 10 m above the bottom track: ok
A railway roughly 6 m above another: close enough for trains to crash, but path signals see these as being isolated paths and will allow a train on both

[frail sleet]

ty

[signal shale]

I'm having a dumb moment. I thought SCIM could show you resource pickups on the map (like caterium or quartz) but I'll be darned if I can see how to do that.

[true mulch]

You might need to upload your save

And then it should be a toggle

[signal shale]

ah, okay, I'll give that a look.

[hollow halo]

Psst… yo chat I got another question

What’s a modular system? (Talking factory design)

[tranquil void]

That is fun to deal with, what's the processing type here?

Like what is the system being used for

[signal shale]

modular systems when we're talking factory design are systems made up of chunks that you can add or remove. Like a RIPs module that is a blueprint you ccan put down that makes RIPs as part of something bigger, if I understand the concept right.

[tranquil void]

A modular system is usually a design type used in factories that puts your builds in a sort of grid shape, it's extremely effective in most processing plants, but it can get difficult to use without splitters, mergers, or vertical stuff when there is bigger processors like the blender when it's connective to stuff like the constructor, since one is smaller. It's also put into sections and as TLD said, chunks you can add or remove. I would suggest if you use a modular system that you also add splitters that go off to one side connecting to storage crates so that you don't have an overload issue, and can have a way to move resources to other areas like a drone port or loading dock without having to divert resources farther down the line of processing (also space things out so that if you do have to, it doesn't get all crunched together and start clipping, I've had issues with this before because I forgot to think about what might happen if I have to divert resources)

Yay absolute bloody WALL of text; I do apologize

[sterile blade]

Pfft, it fits in one Discord message. Barely a wall of text

[woeful gale]

Do i need to auto produce the neuron computer or just put other ingridiant to just process enough for AI expantion?

[tranquil void]

Also take most of what I say with a grain of salt

[woeful gale]

also w superposition osc if im not making alien matrix

[stray herald]

Is there a reason the scanner is inconsistent?

Is it affected by geography?

[tranquil void]

I think it can be

[tranquil void]

I'm kinda just a person who's barely been playing since public alpha testing and I am -i zhit you not- 15 with no experience worth Jack in engineering I'm just obsessed with Satisfactory and slightly good with design

[stray herald]

I scan for iron, but then scan again, I get different nodes, some literally closer than the ones before

[tranquil void]

Oh I've seen this. Do the nodes not pop up or does it not immediately alert you about it?

[stray herald]

I am in the far east of the dune desert and there should be some 20 iron nodes. I am supposedly in the middle but I only get like 4 or 5 per scan max. Sometimes nodes 200m away don't get pinged.

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410510810912002058

I just moved 50 metres south and I get this

[tranquil void]

If it's not giving the ping sound (which is common for when it notices the node) then maybe it's detected another node in the same direction or distance and pings that, it's also possible that the devs added a maximum range for scanning at certain levels or just in general. Then again this could also just be a bug

Yeah that looks like it's a bug

[stray herald]

RIP

[steady cedar]

Also what does the yellow icon mean

[tranquil void]

Not really much you can do about it, though I would recommend making markers to test if those also disappear sometimes. If they don't, you have a solution that will avoid that

[tranquil void]

Yellow icon on what?

[stray herald]

Yeah idk sometimes it gives yellow icons

[steady cedar]

In the their screenshot

[stray herald]

I scanned again and it's no longer yellow

[steady cedar]

One iron node is yellow

I have seen it a couple times too but no clue

[sterile blade]

It scans in a radius around you (so based on your current position) and the range quickly drops after it finds one result (so you don't ping the whole map, unless you actually need to in order to find one node)

Ie: if you're close to a node, the scan range will be short

[tranquil void]

So the yellow markers on the map seem to be a fairly common bug, and doesn't have any gameplay effect. Relaunching the save usually takes care of it.

[ivory condor]

Btw I found out that sushi save runs better in directx11/vulkan and worse in directx12, who would have guessed directx12 was the inferior api

[tranquil void]

It's similar to the green icons bug that was fixed a while ago. Not exactly why it does this but it's whatever

[tranquil void]

Interesting

[stray herald]

I see!
Is there a way to change that?

[sterile blade]

"Inferior" for that one specific thing, maybe, but yeah quite weird

[stray herald]

[sterile blade]

Future tech will help with node discovery

[stray herald]

Radar?

[ivory condor]

Yeah directx12 has more optimization issues compared to the other apis, don't ask me why thats actually the case

[steady cedar]

If you want more info there is a radio tower

[stray herald]

Okay yeah I was wondering what that did

[ivory condor]

Aka play the superior api aka directx11

[stray herald]

I can get it right away I think

[steady cedar]

Or use the map in their website

[tranquil void]

I used to have a horrible graphics bug where my sky would have an aneurysm, and starts violently glitching out in red pixels. Extremely hard to see and very painful to look at directly, wasn't sure why it did that but it was recently fixed (hopefully permanently) and I want to assume it was client-side or one or the APIs I was using.

[stray herald]

Yeah that's why I was asking about the nodes, because according to the map I should be getting a hundred pings xD

[sterile blade]

Does it bring back GI for signs? If not, there's no point!

[steady cedar]

Oh ye it will never show everything lol
It has a limited range
I thought you were talking about it showing less then the usual range

[sterile blade]

Do you think someone still has a U8 version of the game they could share so I can make more videos in that old savefile?

[steady cedar]

Also the tower has about the same range so you will need multiple to cover a large area

[ivory condor]

Well if it put alot of signs everywhere it will be superior no matter where im at in my save

[steady cedar]

They also can make the map a bit unreadable

[stray herald]

Yeah It sometimes goes around 2KM far away so that's why I was wondering why it's pinging almost nothing. I didn't know it reduces its range the more nodes it finds

[tranquil void]

-w-

[sterile blade]

Part of the confusion stemmed from the "usual range" not being consistent (it depends on the distance from the first node)

[tranquil void]

Idk I've never had any issues with radar, but this is interesting to read so

[sterile blade]

If you scanned for iron in a 2 km range you'd get your compass cluttered with tens of hits

[steady cedar]

I never liked using the radar
Just to much info on the map

[stray herald]

Real but I kinda wish we could adjust the range manually. Sometimes I want 1 or 2 results sometimes I want 10

[ivory condor]

But honestly im not suprised, this game has alot of weird stuff happening in it

[steady cedar]

They just want you to explore to find the perfect place

[tranquil void]

Hey has anyone else dealt with their vehicles randomly all floating? Recently while in game if I have any vehicles spawned for any time between 30 minutes at over 6 hours my vehicles stop functioning and start floating and glitching out. Only way to fix it so far has been deleted them and restart the save, and even that isn't a solid fix.

[sterile blade]

Ngl, I'm still quite disappointed with the map overall... It feels like it's at "baby level" (for lack of better words) somehow, like barely functional

Eg: we still can't see rails on it!

[tranquil void]

I don't know why it does it or what has triggered it, but it's not even like it's one save and the file just corrupted

[mossy rock]

power plant so big i cant fit in in fully zoomed out cam ):

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

@tranquil void You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sterile blade

[tranquil void]

I don't think I have any screenshots of it

[sterile blade]

Sounds like a clear case of bugs waiting to be squashed

[tranquil void]

Fun

Except I tried that.. like a month ago..

[ivory condor]

For being a radar it has a surprising lack of what can be seen in it

[sterile blade]

Oh, do try to verify your game files, just in case. If it works, that's an easy fix!

[tranquil void]

I gave up after the 5th method of attempting to fix the stupid thing failed

[sterile blade]

Just focus on some sushi to take the edge off

[dense violet]

server?

mods?

[tranquil void]

The only true reason I find it so genuinely annoying is because most of not all of my factories legitimately require non-railed or non-drone vehicles to operate, whether it's because of terrain or space or fuel, sometimes I just like using ground vehicles, but when they just break and suddenly starts acting like .5 gravity objects faster than players so chasing them is required to dismantle them but takes for-bloody-ever to do

[tranquil void]

Nope and nope, completely vanilla solo save fike

One of them literally hasn't even run multiple people before

[dense violet]

so this is happening to every save?

[tranquil void]

Not so far. It's been 3 save files so far, but the fourth that has vehicles in use hasn't been run in a while. I can't test it because my computer setup is dismantled and not running on my living room floor rn (hence why I can't send screenshots either)

[dense violet]

oh so this was an issue a while ago?

[tranquil void]

.

[ivory condor]

That should work

[tranquil void]

It's an ongoing issue that has been going I want to say for about 3 months

Or more, I forgot.

[dense violet]

well once you're comp is back together, if you've already verified files I'd try

1. uninstalling every
2. manually deleting any left over folders in the various parts of your hard drive.
3. reinstall

[tranquil void]

I've tried 5 different methods including that one

[dense violet]

It's not a bug I've heard about on here. So google might get you a result from like an obscure reddit post

[tranquil void]

And again I can't coz my computer isn't even running either so :p

[dense violet]

including manually deleting the left over folders?

[tranquil void]

Once I have my setup running I'll probably record it happening

[ivory condor]

Well sounds like another normal day of playing the game to me

[tranquil void]

I scrubbed my computer of everything satisfactory and reinstalled it after a month of not using it and it didn't solve the issue

[dense violet]

yeah def try google then. You're more likely to find other examples of an obscure bug

[ivory condor]

One of my save has invisible terrain, sometimes I find its best not to question what the game is doing

[dense violet]

and that one sure sounds obscure

like, it'd be weird even if you were on a server. It's even weirder that you're not

[tranquil void]

I'm gonna try to get my setup running and get recording before I do much more with it to see if I can fix it

Oddly enough it rarely triggers without:
At least 25 vehicles spawned in the server, however it has triggered with only 5 present at once
It also isn't fixed by removing all affected vehicles, once it triggers it doesn't matter what you do unless you remove every affected vehicle leave the game and rejoin the bug instantly affects any new vehicle placed

[ivory condor]

Of course I have the inverse, aka the terrain that stops existing, so you think its solid, walk on it, fall outside of the map because physics decided not to exist

[dense violet]

I thought you said it wasn't a server?

[tranquil void]

It's not

Im used to calling it a "server" even if it's technically not

[dense violet]

yeah see if you can find a similar issue in reddit if you haven't already then

[tranquil void]

I probably will eventually

[dense violet]

the discord server is less good for logging obscure issues like that

[tranquil void]

Yea

Anyways-
Imma go sleep coz it's 23:50 for me and I have school or some zhit tomorrow, gn y'all

[ivory condor]

Night, I personally just enjoy the weird bugs now

Its a adventure, what weird bug will I find today, always interesting

[limpid cairn]

Yeah trains in sf are weird

mine turn invisible if I’m away a certain distance

Like not out of render of the train

[boreal musk]

thats my game in nutshell, sometimes the terrain decide to remove its collision so i can go inside it

[ivory condor]

Sure are. I even have trains that teleport across the map

Quantum tunneling trains is another fun feature of the game

[wild plume]

Is 100k MW enough for the late game? Like space elevator phase 4-5

[steady cedar]

Depends on how big you are going

Might be just about enough

[silk ocean]

Yea depends how fast you want it to be done

Can do it with 30-40 GW but it will take quite a many hours

[true mulch]

It depends if you sink overflow or let factories stop once storage backs up

Sinking overflow means everything keeps running

[silk ocean]

I think I did this one with about 50 GW, but I have a LAN server that runs the factory 24/7 so I went to sleep a few times XD

[stray herald]

How are you generating the power?

[dense violet]

easily. I finished hte last phase with less than 30k

[wild plume]

We built a huge oil rig, and we're fuel generating ~2.7k rocket fuel/min

[mossy rock]

holy crap

[wild plume]

#screenshots message

[mossy rock]

i just finished my 2.5k rocket fuel plant

[wild plume]

Oh cool

Time to skip nuclear power then lmfao

[mossy rock]

nuc power unceccesary

[steel cloud]

Yeah but it really is a big challenge level for the game for me. Though Id wait to ensure I have all recipes and able to use all byproducts before getting into it

[mossy rock]

oh im gonna do it, but i dont NEED to

[steel cloud]

For sure

[mossy rock]

i think i have 150 gw

going to have, no motors ):

just from rocket fuel

[steel cloud]

Yeah the power needed to generate nuclear and all its products takes a sizable dent in your grid

So have a cushion

[mossy rock]

150000 mw if u dont understand how much that is

[dense violet]

well it really depends what you plan on doing post phase 5. If you're going to treat the game like a sandbox doing a solid nuclear system is very useful

[mossy rock]

+30% from those alien power things

[steel cloud]

Oh right I forgot that some stuff requires nuclear products, like 100% the MAM

[silk ocean]

There's quite a lot you can work on crafting outside the scope of the phases 1-5 as well

[cunning glade]

Are trains easy too understand

[mossy rock]

lol no

[silk ocean]

With some experience they are not too hard

Steep learning curve tho xD

[mossy rock]

exactly

[cunning glade]

Well first playthrough

[mossy rock]

i pray for you my man

[sterile blade]

Different people have (or don't have) different issues 🤷‍♂️

[cunning glade]

I see

[mossy rock]

for me when i first started, i perfectly understand path signals, but they just wouldent work

still dont know why...

[cunning glade]

Do I want all trains on one track or separate tracks

[mossy rock]

depends on what your doing

[cunning glade]

Idk tbh

I'll prolly answer my own question once I use it

[mossy rock]

in my current world, i have a train network going across most of my world

so i use that for everything

but i also have lots of mono rails, for shorter distances or if smth is in the opposite direction

[dense violet]

only the nuke nobs, that yo ucan completely ignore. But if you want to run a good sandbox having a potent nuclear power system to fund your game is great

[mossy rock]

is it possible to play the game without those?

[hollow halo]

Okay.. am I wrong for using someone else’s factory design for my own first game play?

[mossy rock]

no

unless your copying it as like.. a mega print and just plopping it down

thats evil

[hollow halo]

Nono- I mean I found one on YouTube and wanted to use it

[mossy rock]

you can play the game however you want to.

[steel cloud]

I mean. Do you use walkthroughs to play games? I don't because the challenge is the fun. But to each their own

[spice patio]

But I would recommend not doing it, and learning the hard way instead.
As by just copying makes you learn less, which can then cause issues later.

[mossy rock]

unless you use mega preints you didnt make, thats evil

[dense violet]

well it's a sandbox. So do what you want

but you'll learn absolutely zero about actually building your own things

[silk ocean]

Generally I find that if you put short spacers at all sides of the path block, and put the signals just that little bit further away from the branches/joins, it often solves the problem

Sometimes the signals don't like sitting right on a branch/merge

[steel cloud]

Yeah the satisfaction of satisfactory comes from overcoming your struggles

[hollow halo]

Hm.. idk, my brain works weird, cause I did the same thing for Minecraft and terraria and just.. managed to get better on my own from there..

[mossy rock]

yea well i fixed it by puting the path signals really far away, like double the distance

[mossy rock]

you... you used a walkthough... for... minecraft?

[silk ocean]

Yea, you only actually have to put them one bit of track away, like the shortest length possible

[hollow halo]

Eh- build tutorials when I wanted to make things

[spice patio]

The game is constantly ramping up the difficulty, with expectation that you learn and master to overcome the previous "issues" when they are intruduced, and then piling up additional things on top in next stage.

[hollow halo]

Hm.. yeah that’s fair

[mossy rock]

terraria is impossible without them, i just use the wiki

[dense violet]

you really need to master the very basics of the game for logistics layout to do anything else.

[hollow halo]

Tho the tutorial just gave a baseline of what the factory did, said absolutely NADA on how to assist with further gameplay

So I get to figure that on my own without worrying too too much on mats :3

[mossy rock]

i mean so long as your not using that for EVERYTHING then its fine

[silk ocean]

One tip with path signals - if the preceeding block signal is quite close, trains will actually slow down approaching the path signal, I usually remove the preceeding inbound block signal (but retain the outbound one)

[dense violet]

in a way, tiers 1-9 are a tutorial to get you to build all your own sandbox things.

it's a very well scafolded learning system

[mossy rock]

the first playthrough entirely is the tutorial

first 100 hours

[sick olive]

In that case I passed the tutorial yesterday

[mossy rock]

congrats!

[spice patio]

For example with fluids, the base difficulty levels are:
1: Simple fluids (Tier 3-4)
2: Byproduct fluids (Tier 5-6)
3: Looped fluids (Tier 7)
4: Closed loop fluids (Tier 8-9)

If you don't understand the previous level when the next is added, it gets very hard.

[mossy rock]

technicly ive never finished the tutorial in 1.0, always get burned out

[mossy rock]

👍

[silk ocean]

I had to do it to get the achievement XD

Started a different factory called TutorialFac xD

[spice patio]

And that Simple Fluids level builds up on non-fluid factory and belt building, but adds the additional difficulties from basic fluid behavior of headlift and bidirectionality of pipes.

[mossy rock]

yes, a good game adds new mechanics and improves on others as it progresses, probably why its the best factory game in the world 🤷‍♂️

[spice patio]

And the problem with copying someone elses factory, is that often the WHY isn't told, why it is build the way it is.
Which is critical for learning.

[mossy rock]

good yters explain everything

why does the power augmenter have in inpuit?

[spice patio]

Tier 9 tech to allow input for even more power.

[mossy rock]

oh cool

[dense violet]

its very hard to explain everything everything, and they won't know what base knowledge their viewers have. A core aspect of teaching is evaluating where your students are at

[mossy rock]

are you a professor perchance?

[dense violet]

just a regular teacher

[mossy rock]

or a normal teacher

[mossy rock]

lemme guess, math or geometry?

[dense violet]

physics/chem technically

[mossy rock]

oh cool, love physics and chem

[dense violet]

but realistically schools would hire me for general science and maths

even though I hate teaching maths >.>

[mossy rock]

lol

[signal shale]

physics is 80% math by volume anyhow

[mossy rock]

yea but u can do experiements and stuff

can do that in math

[signal shale]

true, such as my highschool physics teacher that had us go out into the lot to push his GMC around for lessons in inertia and stuff

[mossy rock]

cool

u sure it was a gmc?

[signal shale]

yea, it was an annual thing, called the Jimmy push. shrugs

[mossy rock]

lol lame

[shy mulch]

good youtubers don't explain everything, but make you think they have
if they actually explained everything, the video would be 19 hours long and nobody would watch any of it

[mossy rock]

explain enough to make you understand

[shy mulch]

yes, just enough to make your understand, and no more

[mossy rock]

also its sf, tops 30 mins

pretty easy game

[sterile blade]

Great YouTubers can squeeze all the info needed in as short a time as possible (ofc, this may not mean all the info, but at least they make it clear what the limits of the provided info are)

[mossy rock]

thats what i meant to say

[stray herald]

I am trying to build a heavy modular frame factory and was thinking of using trucks to transfer between building but I realized trucks need fuel (lol) do I go and make a fuel factory or do I just use belts for now?

[mossy rock]

i have never and will never used trucks

trains or belts are so much better

[stray herald]

Valid

How do I make the belts 'clean' between buildings?

[mossy rock]

wym

oh, dont have seperate buildings

[stray herald]

So you have belts going from the resource nodes to the factory and it's sorted inside?

[mossy rock]

i think so? where else would you sort it

also wym sort it, its belts you dont mix items

[stray herald]

Basically in my case I have a steel factory, but I have a factory around 500m away producing the reinforced frames needed by the steel factory to make heavy frames and I want to 'cleanly' send the frames from the iron factory to the steel factory

[shut trout]

If not allowed here, please do remove.
I am curious on people’s thoughts on skipping turbofuel altogether and waiting to go for rocket fuel.
I had setup a fuel plant with 210 gens giving me 55k power with 1800 crude. I wanted to setup a turbo fuel plant in the crater area with 2500 crude, giving me 2100 turbofuel, but has a lot of extra steps. However, this only gave me about 70 more fuel generators and only about 15k more power AND it came with a lot of extra steps.
So, I was thinking of just “skipping” turbofuel until I get to rocket fuel itself. I can produce similar amount of power with just diluted fuel.

[shy mulch]

That's a perfectly valid path

[frail sleet]

widely considered better than turbofuel

[shut trout]

very cool. I thought i was going crazy, did they nerf t-fuel? feel like it was crazy good prior

[frail sleet]

It's oil efficient, but there's plenty of oil. It's bad for sulfur and coal.

[shy mulch]

Use a logistics floor
I have multiple buildings creating various things, and beneath them there is a huge floor where all the buildings are connected and I have confusing belt paths all over the place, but when you go up into the buildings themselves it's all pretty clean

[frail sleet]

without diluted fuel, turbo makes sense. But with it, not so much

[shut trout]

Gotcha, well cool. thank you. I think I can survive on what power i have for the time being lol

[silk ocean]

I'm building a blended turbofuel plant at the moment (if not procrastinating cough cough), hopefully good

[stray herald]

So for example a 1x1 tunnel going from one to the other at a certain floor?

@mossy rock The screenshot of pipes you shared is more organized than my entire world 😭

[mossy rock]

thanks

[cursive crane]

Logistics floors are kind of up to you on size, but the smaller you go the harder it is to get back in there and edit stuff later if needed. other ways of hiding it are going over/under the factory, or using the new straight belts

[stray herald]

I am trying to take whatever is getting produced where I am standing, towards those far miners by the second power tower https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410547049807740939

@mossy rock Dude that is BEAUTIFUL

[mossy rock]

thanks, only half done placing the feul gens

[stark lagoon]

quick dumb question about creature respawn.. will a creature respawn on their usual spot even there are structures built or nah?

[mossy rock]

should be 150000 mw

[mossy rock]

nah i dont think so

[cursive crane]

Conveyor poles are a godsend for keeping things clean

[cursive crane]

Iirc respawning is affected by powered machines nearby. So short answer yes.

Could be wrong or could be more nuance to that though

[stark lagoon]

how about despawn good sir for example i purposely caged a hostile creature will it stay there forever even after updates?

[cursive crane]

Nothing is promised after updates lol

[stark lagoon]

hehehe alright then thanks!

[stray herald]

Who's team splitters and who's team manifolds?

[south sinew]

splitters are used to make manifolds, how are they opposing teams?

[stray herald]

LMAO 😭 I guess I should've said load balancing

[south sinew]

manifolds are simple, easy, and blueprintable, even if they are often disappointing underperformers

I'd prefer balancers if they were easier to make

[shy mulch]

If you always use the same method you're not optimising
Sometimes manifolds are better, sometimes load balancers are better, do what suits the situation

[south sinew]

I kinda don't agree

[austere lichen]

👍 valid

[south sinew]

balancers always offer superior performance to manifolds, the only question is whether you can be assed to build them

[stray herald]

Manifolds need a while to prep too to saturate the belts

[south sinew]

yep

[tall lantern]

as with most stuff in this game, build what's more appropriate for your task

[south sinew]

manifold is just "balancer but I built it quickly and now it's gonna take a decade to start working"

[stray herald]

Words of wisdom right there

[austere lichen]

Manifold is just fast to build and it works perfectly fine. Its not like we dont have time to wait to let the thing fill

And you can still prefill

[south sinew]

far too often I found that I really don't

[austere lichen]

But you do have the time to make a balancer for alot of things?

[south sinew]

I didn't do that, but on reflection, I probably would have saved a fair bit of time doing it

[austere lichen]

Idk, balancers are nice. But take up too much space i find

I just use balancers for intermediate products that are not as quantity heavy

Frames, rotors, motors etc

[neon cloak]

i've got myself a full storage container of solid biofuel while my 6 burners need like 24/min total

satisfying

[austere lichen]

Nice, how far from coal power are you?

[neon cloak]

150 reinforced iron plates and 50 rotors

once i get this imma unlock asphalt and finally make trucks deliver coal and not me

[austere lichen]

Nice nice, that will last you a good bit and have some backup while you scale up the coal power

[shy mulch]

In one of my saves I've got 40 industrial storages full of solid biofuel and I'm not even using it, I was probably collecting it all as an excuse to procrastinate doing something else

[neon cloak]

exactly

i just jump around the map sometimes

without a care in my mind and without an update in my "factory"

[austere lichen]

I have a single industrial storage thats being filled because of just the chainsaw. And I am clearing out the red forest of long trees.

[true mulch]

Use nobelisks

[minor oak]

is there another console command other than grass.Enable=0? It only disables part of it

[severe orchid]

I havew a very obcure question

what objects can you place on top of a storage container?

only other containers?

[hard ivy]

Depot uploaders too

[severe orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1410559335247118376/image.png?ex=68b17540&is=68b023c0&hm=fcb8c3d70842b6c3313f0807343359c3893007603c7a47a832bceafbdaff4910&

So no way to build on top of my tower without making a new different tower?

[hard ivy]

You can always just nudge a foundation all the way up there

[severe orchid]

shit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1410560414667767828/image.png?ex=68b17641&is=68b024c1&hm=0a4ccb6b846f35868be3e214fd6d9a28588986fd2c51ad320fc6757f881b15b7&I I didnt read your message in time xd

super good tip tho

[neon cloak]

i've finally got spaghetti achievement

i hope i've done everything correctly for 'em juicy 7.5 reinforced iron plates /min

[fluid sapphire]

only one way to find out

[neon cloak]

it's so weird to not be running around like conveyor bnelt

[austere lichen]

Not making and uploading them yet. But I do use them sparingly for clearing other stuff. I just need to cut trees that are sticking out of the floor.

I have made a huge ass pyramid in the red forest which pretty much spans the whole biome. But small trees still are underneath it for my indoor forest below train level

[signal shale]

clearing the red forest without nobelisks? Man. I'd go into that place with all the explosives, because I hate those jumping demons in there.

[austere lichen]

They are under a floor, and wont respawn if I kill them. And just need to clear the tallest trees that stick through the floor

Its not that big of a deal in the end

[limpid cairn]

how much power does a train station consume?

[austere lichen]

Trainstation doesnt consume i believe, just the trains

[fluid sapphire]

50MW while loading or unloading

[austere lichen]

Ah

[limpid cairn]

okay

whats the best way to spend 1500 copper p/m?

do i just craft everything into copper sheets?

[reef basin]

wait until you need it, and then spend it

don't build "for future", build what you need now

[limpid cairn]

i guess spending it on copper sheets it is then

[fluid sapphire]

what phase are you in

[limpid cairn]

phase 4

[reef basin]

do you need copper sheets now?

[fluid sapphire]

copper powder?

for nuclear pasta?=

[limpid cairn]

not unlocked yet but good idea

ig ill use half of the copper for sheets then?

[fluid sapphire]

powder is very expensive, 1200 ingots nets you 200 powder

(i make 200 powder right now)

[limpid cairn]

omd

[reef basin]

why not keep it as ingots until you know how much of each you need?

[fluid sapphire]

or that

[boreal musk]

copper powder alternates when

[fluid sapphire]

i just made mine into powder because i already know that i need that amount as powder

[limpid cairn]

good point

[woeful gale]

Imagine use all somersloop for 10 amplifier w alien matrix to get x4 power , never need to worry bout power

[fluid sapphire]

you can already make enough power to not have to worry about it without making 10 of those

if you are doing that you are at the point of doing it for the sake of it, for normal players, production amplification provides far more utility

[hard ivy]

For matrices to be a net gain, you already need enough power that you wouldn't need to worry about it regardless

[woeful gale]

should I spend 10 sloop for one or use those to make more rods?

[hard ivy]

Depends

[woeful gale]

so alien matrix is kinda pointless isnt it?

[hard ivy]

Unless you're going for max power, pretty much yes

[fluid sapphire]

probably enough to fairly comfortably beat the game?

[reef basin]

if you build machines that use less than 90 GW, yes
otherwise no

you can beat the game at 20 MW with one machine of each

[woeful gale]

what fuel rod state u onl rn?

[reef basin]

why do people insist on calling factories "farms"

[fluid sapphire]

here is where i grow my modular frames, its important to water them every day

[woeful gale]

its kinda enough but if you have ficsonium rod then u will nearly never need to worry bout power and can use oil for other stuff

[hard ivy]

Cause making 50 matrices/min costs 200 GW. If you're at 100 GW, quadrupling gives you 400, 300 extra. But it costs 200. So you only gain 100. You just doubled your grid, not quadrupled. You could've done that for the same sloop cost but no resource cost without matrices.

You need way more than 100 GW for them to be worth making

[fluid sapphire]

are you conflating tiers with phases

[deep dock]

I never heard anyone call their factory a farm.......

[fluid sapphire]

but no, its a phase 5 thing

[reef basin]

items don't really have tiers
but it's unlocked at tier 9

[reef basin]

literally the person above me 🙂 #satisfactory message

again, any MW amount is enough to reach it
it depends how fast you want to reach it and how much you will build

[woeful gale]

I think so cuz u can use battery to onl the process then use ficsonium to run

[reef basin]

I assume you mean power storage? batteries won't really help you

[woeful gale]

ye

[reef basin]

it's more power, but it's not infinite power
it's mostly there to make clean plutonium possible

[silk ocean]

Do you overclock Fuel refineries, i.e. 4 per 600 crude?

[woeful gale]

ficonium is a way to make more energy per uranium ore

[reef basin]

depends how it makes sense logistically for next step

[silk ocean]

Yea

The compactness appeals to me XD

[reef basin]

kMW doesn't exist, use "GW" 🙂

[limpid cairn]

guys is the alt recipe "nitrogen rocket fuel" better than the normal recipe

like in oil use

[reef basin]

that depends what other recipes you use in the chain

[hard ivy]

No, it's dogshit for power

[reef basin]

easiest is to open some online planner and compare chains that you are willing to use

[limpid cairn]

ill use diluted fuel and heavy oil residue

[hard ivy]

In oil use, yes. In other resources, no

[woeful gale]

what the best diamond recipe tho

[reef basin]

depends on what you call "best" 🙂 like always

[limpid cairn]

do i need sulfure for anything besides sulfuric acid?

[hard ivy]

Uranium, plutonium, rocket fuel, regular fuel

[hard ivy]

Uranium cells

[reef basin]

open codex and see what it is used for (or wiki, or online tools)

[solemn ruin]

👀

[reef basin]

..., batteries

[fluid sapphire]

for most normal people the sulfur cost of nitro rocket fuel is overblown

no such thing as too much power

if you dont go batshit crazy with scale then easily

[reef basin]

hard to say, will you build enough factory to use 160GW?

then no 🙂

but imo future-proofing is overrated

with power you just build how much you can/want at that moment and when you reach the limit you build more

[shy mulch]

that completely depends on your play style, not something we can really answer for you
it's perfectly possible to complete the space elavator with a lot less power than you already have if you want to play that way, some people choose to use a lot more

[fluid sapphire]

the appeal of nitro rocket fuel is how easy it is to set up, its not the most resource efficent, but you could make 4800 rocket fuel, that will give you 288 GW of power and you would still have 7200 sulfur and 9600 nitrogen left over on the map

[shy mulch]

I went the opposite way, I chose to make massive power first, then challenge myself to figure out how to use it all

I currently have about 700GW spare

[fluid sapphire]

its much easier to just build a lot of power to get it over with

[shy mulch]

also everyone has a different definition of what a "really big factory" is

[reef basin]

honestly, play at your own pace/style, I often see people asking others to basically "play the game for them", I don't think that's a good approach 🙂

[obsidian zodiac]

Coffee Stain approved

[wary crow]

do gases do sloshing that can be prevented with buffers at the end of manifolds?

[reef basin]

you should never use buffers (apart from train station buffering) and if you want to not have isseus from sloshing, it's recommended to loop the pipe (as you can't prevent sloshing)

[hard ivy]

Gas sloshing doesn't need to be prevented

[wary crow]

i always used the elevated buffer method at the end of manifolds which worked very well for me but i have some issues with rocket fuel rn

[wary crow]

ight thanks, then i need to look deeper into it

[safe rose]

So what did you guys do after y’all finish the game? 148 hours and just send phase 5 off. Credits rolled. Now what???

[reef basin]

well rocket fuel is a gas, which doesn't care about elevation

but also, the buffers rarely help and practically always do nothing or hurt your production, so I wouldn't use them

[hard ivy]

Now the game truly begins

[median shell]

personally, make things look pretty and make number go up, use all of x resource, make a stack of x part(s)/m, use x logistic more

[safe rose]

Is there anyway to reset the phase parts and start over but keep everything I have unlocked

Like a new game +

[shy mulch]

If you want to do that just start a new game and use SCIM to edit all your unlocks

[median shell]

there's a mod for it that also increases the amounts per ng if that's what you're after in particular

[shy mulch]

Congratulations, you've completed the tutorial

[median shell]

you could also do a new game and use advanced game settings to unlock everything at start

[hard ivy]

Genuinely idk what else I can tell you. I've done plenty of janky shit that definitely wouldn't work with a liquid, but worked fine just just fine with a gas

[wary crow]

My problem is a manifold with 144 fuel generators on one 600m³ pipe. I can't get the thoughput right, the last generators of the pipe run on less than 20% while on the other side of the pipe rocket fuel backs up in the blenders. The plant is running for around 200h so it had more than enough time to fill up and i started with the whole system filled before connecting the generators to the grid

[dense violet]

you likely need to loop the manifold

[steady glade]

right quick, would you show me some pipes with dismantle mode pls?

bitz?? you're here?

[solemn ruin]

Indeed lol

[steady glade]

i saw your vid, i know you thought the same

pretty much only for the nuclear loop

the whole nuclear to ||ficsonium|| cycle

it depends how much you wanna make but you're right that its mostly or almost only for fuel cells and control rods

[wary crow]

Can't rn but what are you hoping to find? (If it's mk1 pipes, that's very unlikely because i got 10 of said manifolds)

[steady glade]

i feel like you placed pipes and snapped junctions to them, that makes longer and often irregular pipes

the game works with quantities over time, and the way junctions split pipes seems to mess with the throughput

[wary crow]

I'll try that. The manifold is vertical and S-shaped with 12 machines on every level, fed from the top. Does that matter for the loop?

[steady glade]

try deleting and replacing pipes where you snapped junctions

[wary crow]

I hope i didn't do that 😬 got 1500 generators

[steady glade]

nah its fine you can go wild, plus theres always more nodes, just gotta send if way farther

[steady glade]

it'll make tying the loop a bit ugly but thats fine, and check the headlift on the pump, and ensure the pipe before is full

and replace the pipes around the pump

theres a bunch of nodes in the bamboo forest, you'll need to fight some spitters and nuke hogs

[wary crow]

It's rocket fuel luckily, no pumps needed

But i'll try that, thanks

[unreal sand]

Radio towers?

[limpid cairn]

rocket fuel is a gas and doesnt need pumps since it spreads eavenly and i shouldnt use valves as a pump for it right?

[steady glade]

yup

[hard ivy]

You don't need uranium for control rods. But you do need it for nuke nobelisks if you want them

[wary crow]

For nukes you can ||convert some ore later as you only need a little bit||

[unreal sand]

Uranium

[wary crow]

That way you can go all in with the Power plant

[hard ivy]

There's enough uranium for 630 GW of uranium only, 1.19 TW with Plutonium included and more with Ficsonium (though that depends on your available SAM)

[wary crow]

are you actually limited by SAM with a wasteless plant that uses 100% of the uranium?

[hard ivy]

Yes. Severely

[wary crow]

oh well

luckily i didnt start planning yet

[hard ivy]

And not just that, even after you spend all your SAM (and some sloops on doubling it), you only get 1.47 TW from that. Only 280 GW more

Though there's also the benefit that you don't have to store 224 Pu waste per min

[sterile blade]

What if you go all standard + fertile? (fertile reduces the total amount of Plutonium Rods iirc)

[hard ivy]

Fertile increases the amount of Plutonium rods

You then end up with 153 Ficsonium instead of 112, and you get slightly less power

[sterile blade]

Yeah, but the Uranium used up leads (iirc) to less Plutonium in the end

[hard ivy]

With fertile, you get 30.5 Plutonium, without you get 22.4

[peak wasp]

Does anyone know where the somersloop at -23, -37 at 123m altitude is in that north west biome it's right under me but I can't find it.

[south sinew]

try SCIM with "show caves"

[peak wasp]

I have but there's only one and I found it it's nothing

[hard ivy]

Max uranium first, then max plutonium and Ficsonium:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KsKNaZ7sxKDudAaHbkyk
50.4, 22.4, 112 rods respectively, 1.47 TW

Max Ficsonium:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=N9AhSVe9Pz19xvpRkrRm
22.8, 30.4, 152 rods, 1.425 TW
(or rather, 0.5% more than that because that uses 2090 uranium instead of 2100 but the numbers are more convenient with 2090)

Notice that I had to increase the SAM limit for Tools to even calculate both of these

[wary crow]

by the way, an S-shaped manifold should work better than a finger shaped one right?

[limpid cairn]

trains are so buggy wtf

btw is sf autosaving after leaving ?

[spice patio]

No, Satisfactory doesn't automatically save when you leave the game.

Only at intervals, and manually.

[dense turtle]

dayum guys i overkilled rocket fuel by a ton, my math says id need 100 fuel burners should i just overclock them?

[reef basin]

up to you, do you want to build more of them or use shards?

[dense turtle]

well if i use shards id only need 25 yeah?

i think thats gonna be easier

on the other hand

100 fuel burners would look pretty impressive

[reef basin]

no

[narrow iris]

Anybody know why a alien power augmenter has an insert hole? Like whats supposed to go in it? 😂

[reef basin]

you'd need 40 gens + 120 shards

[reef basin]

APM

[narrow iris]

whats that?

[slender quest]

High-end item that's unlocked in the MAM Slug tree.

[narrow iris]

Alien power matrix?

[dense turtle]

wait no i did my math wrong

i counted if i was using rocket fuel

turbo*

but im using rocket fuel so its gonna be even more

190 fuel burners ☠️

@reef basin how do i calculate how many it will be with shards

if i put one shard per fuel burner

[narrow iris]

190/2.5 gives you the amount of generators you need if you fully overclock

then just 76*3

[reef basin]

each shard clocks up by 50%

[dense turtle]

so it uses 50% more fuel?

[reef basin]

and makes 50% more energy

[dense turtle]

huh

so it would be 93 gens if i use 2 shards per gen

[reef basin]

95*

[dense turtle]

and 124 if i use 1

[dense turtle]

its 186

[hard ivy]

how much RF are you making exactly?

[limpid cairn]

is there a way to always let trains pass through 1 block signal?

[hard ivy]

trains always pass through a signal if it's green and stop before it if it's red

and block signals are green if and only if there is no train between it and the next signal

[unkempt blade]

Factory carts on the other hand drive over a jump pad and do a quadruple front flip over the intersection. One of many reasons they're the best vehicle

[wary vessel]

I have to build 864 if I oc them to 250%

[sonic wren]

is satisfactory ever comng to mac?

[wary vessel]

Not sure, but if I had to guess I would say probably not

Porting to Mac is a lot of work and Apple makes it a pain in the ass

[sonic wren]

aww dang it

atleast its coming to xbox i guess

[wary vessel]

You never know though, it might come to mac

[sonic wren]

i really want it too

then i can cook

beacuse my windows pc is HELLA slow

[wary vessel]

Lmfao

Let's be honest tho satisfactory would probably smoke your mac as well

[sonic wren]

Idkk its an M3 i think it would be alr i mean it runs frostpunk

but apple only gave it 8gb of ram so nvm 💔

[hard ivy]

the devs say it's never worth the effort. it's a shit ton of work and you get like 0.5% more sales

[sonic wren]

yeah thats fair mac platform has like no gamers or games

[reef basin]

sell your macs people

get a proper pcs 😛

[sonic wren]

i have a windows pc but it need to upgrade it

[hard ivy]

hell, snowrunner just ended mac and switch support. guess they didn't get enough sales from those to justify continuing developing for them

[sonic wren]

the only game mac is gonna end up having is roblox icl

[limpid cairn]

cant it run league?

i know a lot of people who play league on macs, dont think the devs will end support for it

[sonic wren]

it can run league

[minor rock]

thats only bc of a backroom deal with haxors :gigachad:

[limpid cairn]

i have no clue who that is

[left sluice]

I breezed over #faq But couldnt find my answer, do we know if Satisfactory will be on PS+ (The subscription of playstation)

[reef basin]

I hope not

[left sluice]

Why not

[limpid cairn]

for clarification, do you mean in the PS+ pass or do you mean that you need PS+ to play multiplayer?

[left sluice]

The ps+ pass, for any multiplayer game you sadly need PS+

Im probably gonna buy it eitherway if its not on PS+, but im still wondering if it will be you know ?

[limpid cairn]

tbh i dont think there will be any new releases in the PS+ pass

[lime bough]

Hi guys
How can I steam link my Satisfactory bought on Epic Games?

[limpid cairn]

at least it wasnt like that when i was on a playstation

[left sluice]

Ah, fair enough.

It kinda confused me when i saw Satisfactory in the PS+ store when i checked there, so i was just wondering. I'll have a solid answer once the game releases on PS. (I could buy it on PC, but its not good enough for it XD)

[sonic wren]

It better be in the xbox game pass ultimate

[limpid cairn]

why isnt there a structure that lets me deconstruct items into their previous items

[hard ivy]

because alts

also, why?

[limpid cairn]

i dont need compacted coal for anything ( its a byproduct of rocket fuel )

[boreal musk]

then sink it?

[hard ivy]

you can use it for more RF

[limpid cairn]

nitrogen rocket fuel alt

[limpid cairn]

but that seems super wasteful imo

[boreal musk]

what wasteful?

its called byproducts for a reason

[hard ivy]

nitro rocket fuel is already wasteful

[tawdry lion]

am I the only person that gets this ever lasting sadness that devs don't ever plan on implementing any "eco power" elements to the game, it'd be so fitting into the game aesthetics

[limpid cairn]

geyser power is eco power

its just super bad and nobody uses it

[hard ivy]

so is nuclear

[glad drum]

You can use it to make steel, black powder or turbofuel using alt recipes - otherwise, you just sink it all... or build a giant compacted coal conveyor around the world to bring it on a ridiculous journey

[glad drum]

I use it 🙁

[wooden tide]

can you get all alternate recipes with hard drives ? Or it's not possible to have all of them

[limpid cairn]

same i need the power 😭

[glad drum]

Yes

[hard ivy]

it's only 7 GW

[limpid cairn]

should i build a spaghetti tornade and sink it at the top?

[tawdry lion]

what I had in mind was more of solar farms or stationary/baloon wind turbines, imo they'd legit look good inside the game

[glad drum]

I agree they'd look good in the game - we wanna EXPLOIT and it just seems too gentle to use renewable resources instead of destroying the planet

and also balance issues

[signal shale]

ADA really doesn't care about keeping the planet pristine, unfortunately.

[glad drum]

Solar/Wind/Hydro power would either all be so weak that nobody would ever use them or so OP that everyone would opt to cover their world completely in "free" energy

[fiery lotus]

They're just PCs that are hard to work on, I have an OSX drive for my backup desktop for testing purposes.

[signal shale]

Which isn't a super big deal in the bluee crater, really, but if you want to use the oil in thee north bay, keeping that place clean would be a nightmare.

[fiery lotus]

Also I'd say chemical fuel seems better left for launches, but launching material off a planet doesn't seem very efficient anyways, except maybe SAM.

[willow glen]

meh there’s a mod that adds it for SF+ and I feel it’s pretty balanced in that context; since you generally need more power than vanilla before fuel generators become available.
The way it balances wind and solar is by making it 50 max worldwide, and hydro is specific nodes (like guysers but not fluctuating).
So, it can’t be OP because you can only spam 50 total

[fiery lotus]

The best way to exploit a planet is probably to strip its atmosphere & then drain it of its heat by converting geotherm to lasers.

But stars are much more useful

[glad drum]

The hydro I could get on board with cause yeah, there are only so many waterfalls - and a mod can do what it wants but if base Satisfactory suddenly popped up and was like "mmm sorry you can only place 50 of those." I'd be like ???

[fiery lotus]

Although I guess our space elevator circumvents the fuel/gravity problem

[willow glen]

It makes sense. Too many wind turbines slow down the air. I mean satisfactory does the same thing with pipes, instead of using pressure properly it just imposes a hard cutoff instead

[fiery lotus]

[reef basin]

Apple is (imo) shit an nobody will persuade me otherwise 😉

[fiery lotus]

Well if we look at the smoke effects it seems the air is pretty slow on this planet at all times

So maybe wind power just doesn't work at all

[glad drum]

Whadya mean about the pipes? hard cut off?

[willow glen]

In the real world adding more pumps would be necessary on long pipelines, as flow rate is proportional to pressure and head lift, and pipes have friction so they lose pressure over long distances.

satisfactory ignores flow rate and pressure, only headlift and a hard cutoff of 300/600 exist in this game.

[fiery lotus]

I didn't really comment on that

Machines are just machines I have few opinions on them

[limpid cairn]

can trains crash when theyre on seperate lines?

[fiery lotus]

One way to find out

[willow glen]

yes but only if you build those rails super close together and get really unlucky.

[hard ivy]

when the lines get too close, yes

[limpid cairn]

okay

[glad drum]

Yeah but you can always make more water extractors and more pipes so the limit is just how much space there is to place water extractors as opposed to a message popping up and just saying "nah 50 is all you get, sucka"

[plush dawn]

i have a 2010 mac pro running sequoia

[limpid cairn]

a resource well with 5 pure nodes is super good right?

[willow glen]

I didn’t make the mod, I just agree with you that having no limit on wind/solar would indeed be OP

[plush dawn]

is satisfactory at least available for linux? i really wanna test it on this computer

[silk rose]

damn pipe priorities tried to ruin my factory again

[limpid cairn]

it should be

[plush dawn]

i only own it on epic will it still work

[limpid cairn]

should work still

only way to find out if it actually works

is to download it

[fluid sapphire]

just dont design systems that depend on pipe priority

i just recently learned that the hard way

[plush dawn]

gonna suck because i need to boot off of my linux drive and the mac pro only has usb 2.0

[silk rose]

wasnt intentionally)

[fluid sapphire]

me neither xd

[silk rose]

i dont even know how priority works

junction was two mk1 pipes to mk1 and mk2 pipe so i had to make it all mk2

[wary crow]

now the generators in the middle of the pipe run out of fuel 🙃

[steady glade]

lets look through one manifold at a time

[white dawn]

There's no native Linux version, but it does run just fine in Proton: protondb.com/app/526870 - though whether it works decently on that hardware could be another question

[plush dawn]

i dont need it to work good, i have a pc that i actually use to play the game, satisfactory is just the most graphically intensive game i own so i just wanted to test the hardware

[steady glade]

are the pipes full? and did you make sure to connect pipes to junctions instead of junctions to pipes?

[wary crow]

yea there are no junctions placed on pipes, i checked my four generator blueprint

[steady glade]

is the pipe right before the input manifold full? and how much is left at the end of the first floor of generators?

[wary crow]

all pipes after the input are full and have a 600m³ flowrate

[steady glade]

i meant the pipe right before the 1st generator blueprint and the one right after the last blueprint of 1st floor

[wary crow]

after the first floor in the looped circuit, the pipe is about half full with a flowrate of about 180-220, before the first floor its half full but only with a flowrate of up to 10

[unreal sand]

Im making a heavy modular frame factory

It is pain

[wary crow]

in the circuit without loop it's about 537 after the first floow and 600 before it

but it doesn't reach the last generators

it should have a flowrate of 550 after the first floor, every floor has 12 generators, each one consumes 4.1666667m³

yet i lose 13 somehow

[unreal sand]

How you solve that is pray to whatever god you believe in and overclock every producer

And if that doesn’t work add copious pumps

[fluid sapphire]

pumps dont do anything for rocket fuel

[wary crow]

the numbers are perfect, there is nothing to fix with overclocking

it's the throughput that doesn't work out

[hard ivy]

Overclocking won't help if the fuel doesn't even leave the blenders

[feral geyser]

Break them into smaller groups

I'm having this same issue with my rocket fuel setup

Server related questions are probably better asked in #dedicated-servers

[wise zinc]

Oops, thought I was in that channel my mistake I will delete it and repost.

[feral geyser]

No worries