satisfactory

[limpid cairn]

You can sink the waste btw

[woeful gate]

yes but i dont NEED power and nuclear plants make power. I'd be making power for no reason.

[reef basin]

there's several nuclear options:

• burn URod, store UWaste
• burn URod, process UWaste, sink PRod
• burn URod, process UWaste, burn PRod, store PWaste
• burn URod, process UWaste, burn PRod, process PWaste, burn FRod

which one you choose depends on you. The give progressively more power. 2nd and 4th are also waste-free (though storing waste is completely fine as well)

[wanton fox]

Phase 4 Babyyyy!

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'm mostly saying you can't do plutonium without using the uranium rods first, see greeny's options

[woeful gate]

Dat doesn't answer my question ;~;

I was wondering if its worth it to run nuclear power plants for no reason other than to just make a bunch of plutonium fuel rods for later.

[unkempt blade]

you could sink the uranium rods until you want the power instead and get some points 🤷

[woeful gate]

Would it be better to sink uranium rods or spend uranium rods to make waste for plutonium rods to sink those?

[reef basin]

wdym "for later"? if you're making plutonium fuel rods, either sink them or burn them

[feral geyser]

You can't sink any wastes

[limpid cairn]

You can

[reef basin]

you can't

[woeful gate]

Well I imagine I'm gonna need more power at some point as my factory gets bigger.

[limpid cairn]

You take waste and throw it in the ocean

[reef basin]

yeah but storing rods for later is pointless, as that's not stable power

[limpid cairn]

You always need power

just Build it now so you have it later

[unkempt blade]

usually I think you'd math it out so you're not creating more waste than you want to use to create plutonium but there's no real harm in storing it somewhere (filters and rad suit are cheap)

[woeful gate]

They're basically just power storage...

[reef basin]

yeah and power storage is not a solution for power

[woeful gate]

it is if you have enough of them :3

[reef basin]

it is not

it's delaying the problem. It's never a solution

you still need to produce the power you feed to power storages. They do not generate more power

[unkempt blade]

personally I'd burn the uranium for nuclear power and use it to 1) create get the plutonium step running 2) scale up other factories

but if you don't want to do that yet I'd just sink the rods

[woeful gate]

I've heard that complaint before about my surplus storage systems!!! It IS a solution so long as you have enough of them that you could never feasibly run out before your factory overflows and halts production entirely!

[reef basin]

delaying a problem is never a solution 🤷

[woeful gate]

I shall try that

[reef basin]

and in most cases, people's factories don't halt, they run 24/7 and sink overflow

because there's no reason to stop factories

[woeful gate]

The problem being fixed for 300 hours is the same thing as a problem being fixed forever

[unkempt blade]

Yeah with the exception of geo power I want a straight line where I know the value so I can tell how many other factories I can run. With geo power a very small amount of power storage helps "flatten" the production out

[feral geyser]

It does nothing to "flatten" production

[unkempt blade]

If your only goal is to finish the game objectives/achievements you're not really wrong. You don't want to play that way with a long running save though

[reef basin]

sure, but I'd say that if you're so close to the limit that you need the power storages to flatten the line to be able to run your factory, you should already build more power anyway, so I wouldn't even build the storages

[feral geyser]

Production will always be a rough sine wave with geos

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'm aware, but available power is maybe a better phrase for it

[woeful gate]

Well I imagine in 300 hours I'll have another way of making power :3

[reef basin]

why not have it now?

[woeful gate]

Cause I got other stuff I need to build :3

and 300 hours worth of excess power

why build more power?

[reef basin]

I mean power should always be a priority

and since you're gonna build it anyway, why not now

[woeful gate]

Cause I doubt this factory will be a 500 hour long playthrough

[feral geyser]

You sure about that? 😹

[woeful gate]

o-o Uh oh...

[cunning glade]

I hit 240hz in this game

[feral geyser]

I'm coming up on 1,200 in my main save (300-400 of those are post-endgame)

I slacked off and avoided phases 4 and 5 for a while, so I took longer than some.

[woeful gate]

im coming up on 300 hours and I've almost beat the game (I think)... 200 hours of cosmetic changes seems... Redundant...? But maybe you're right...-

[unkempt blade]

My 1.0 MP save was about 180. We did a little bit of vanity project stuff but had the research and packages completed before then for sure

[quick verge]

Dude, thanks for this comment. My whole issue has been using them wrong. I had no idea they clipped in. Ive been placing the hole and just running the damn things through it like a nub this whole time, wondering why they worked so shitty.

[placid stirrup]

About 600hrs if I had to guess on the 1.0 save, still in Phase 5. Took a long break. 1500 overall

[silk ocean]

in 4K Ultra?

What's your GPU again?

[cunning glade]

7900xtx

[silk ocean]

Using fake frames?

[cunning glade]

I think so I don't see why I wouldn't

My fricking overlay won't show

[silk ocean]

Just looking for a setting that can possibly achieve 240fps 4K ultra xD

[cunning glade]

I have everything max and hit a pretty decent fps

Ik I max my display which is 165hz

Almost wonder if oc helps this game it's not needed but

[silk ocean]

Getting overkill already tbh XD

[mortal ginkgo]

VR is really a niche thing tho.. This is abit expected.

[cunning glade]

We already have vr

[mortal ginkgo]

oh is it official?

[cunning glade]

I mean they did mention it but technically no

But any ue5 game has VR pretty much

[chrome iron]

Guys Im at the tier unlocking miner 2 and other things that can be automated. All of this feels alot and it’s getting to hard. What should I do first?

[hollow halo]

Morning everyone ‼️

[vale grotto]

Pick one product you don't yet have automated, and automate a little bit of it. Like one machines worth

[hollow halo]

Today is the day where I figure out coal and water systems, just so I can move it all into one spot :3

[vale grotto]

Oh hell yeah
Coal power is a huge step up from biomass

[hollow halo]

Sounds like it, but idk where I can find water at…

[chrome iron]

Like I unlocked the blueprints and miner 2 that will produce more so I gotta change the way my factory works or idk I guess I could keep the old things this way and now using the new technology to make even better factory

[stark summit]

where did you start?

[vale grotto]

Where are you currently building?

[vale grotto]

Why change what you already have? There's more resources on the map than you'll ever use, so leave your old MK1 factory up and just go build a new one!

[hollow halo]

Like.. ig towards the edge of the world?

I found a coal node, but there’s no water next to it

[feral geyser]

Which starting location? 1,2,3,4?

[chrome iron]

Yeah I guess..

[vale grotto]

Which edge? Rocky desert, grassy plains etc

[hollow halo]

Chose the first one

[feral geyser]

Grassy fields

[vale grotto]

I still have some MK1 miners in old factories feeding my base, even though I'm close to setting up tier 8 production xD

[feral geyser]

There are a few puddle sized lakes you can fit extractors on.

Otherwise, head to the west-ish and you'll find a giant waterfall

[vale grotto]

Yep, couple small ponds you can fit one or two extractors on like they said

[feral geyser]

There is a ton of water available there.

[hollow halo]

Oh yummy :3

[feral geyser]

There is also a lake in a depression kinda north-westish? And that one has a ton of coal near it.

[vale grotto]

There's a few really good spots for coal power, and none of them are super close to the grassy fields start xD

[vale grotto]

The coal hole!!

[gray ferry]

Isnt there a decent one near that one pure caterium?

[vale grotto]

Not really easy to get a lot of water out of it though

[feral geyser]

That is coal, but not a lot of water nearby

[hollow halo]

Does this mean I have to move my factory?

[feral geyser]

No

[worldly cove]

gotta love high ground water

[feral geyser]

Power lines are a thing

[vale grotto]

Power lines can be as long as you want and move as much power as you want

[feral geyser]

Also, you are in the phase where you unlocked power towers, right?

[chrome iron]

Havent used much Freedom in this game just used what’s nearby. guess I better get to work.

[worldly cove]

physics

[hollow halo]

Uhh… maybe..?

[feral geyser]

Those are long distance transmission lines, check em out

[hollow halo]

I haven’t opened my game yet so idk remember

[vale grotto]

Fair. They're a tier 4 tech, takes encased industrial beams

[worldly cove]

It always reminds me of bubble gum, the icon

[vale grotto]

You have a whole world to explore, go find some fun places to build!

[worldly cove]

i wish there are virtual rulers that i can use dotted lines to do alignments for far away structures

[feral geyser]

Location&Rotation helps

[vale grotto]

Using world grid aligned foundations also helps

[worldly cove]

i mostly use hologram mode to do alignments, it helps

[feral geyser]

Gives xyzθ and other info on whatever build you have highlighted

[worldly cove]

yeah i never use non-world-grid

the only exception is water extractor and mines so far

[feral geyser]

Imagine not building your vehicles snapped to the world grid 😏

[worldly cove]

gonna need to read into this beacuse i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

[feral geyser]

It is a mod

[worldly cove]

at least no derails

[worldly cove]

ah. i am a purist, no mods (i like to make my life difficult as it is)

[feral geyser]

Very simple QoL mod

I used to be like that

Then I grew up

[vale grotto]

Far as I can tell it's basically like using F3 in Minecraft?

[feral geyser]

More or less

Except that's a Java only thing, and I played Bedrock 😭

[worldly cove]

minecraft on the other hand i cannot live without shaders.

[feral geyser]

So you wouldn't even use 2d zoop?

[worldly cove]

i use whatever zoop in the game

default zoop vertical and blueprint of course

[tropic juniper]

2dzoop lets you draw rectangles instead of just lines

[worldly cove]

i use blueprints to do that if i didnt get what you mean wrong

[feral geyser]

Even if you didnt use infinite zoop (which is another part of that same mod), that only gives you 6×6

[worldly cove]

i htought it's 10x10

i mean 2D zoop is 10 max tiles

[feral geyser]

But like, base level of infinite zoop let's you do 10×10, which is ≈ 3× the area

[worldly cove]

i have blueprints for that

[feral geyser]

I'm talking about your blueprint method

[worldly cove]

i am still at mark 1 so not a big issue

[feral geyser]

I mean, play how you like. I held out for a while, but honestly, some mods make perfect sense.

[worldly cove]

downloading blueprints makes a lot more sense for a lot of people too, but i like to learn step by step

but thank you for the suggestion

[feral geyser]

You are missing the point by bringing blueprints into this.

[worldly cove]

maybe i am

[worldly cove]

i thought you brought it in first? anyway

[feral geyser]

No I didnt

[void gorge]

Oooh good shout

Thanks

[worldly cove]

so i did get you wrong

[feral geyser]

Thats why I said this

[worldly cove]

just.. nvm. my head is not working today.

I am also missing the point by bringing my head into this

[cunning glade]

Okay guys question I have some oil and I'm making a rubber and plastic factory cuz then it'll make fuel for the jet pack and I can just train it back

But I'm not sure exactly how much too start making of rubber and plastic

[feral geyser]

What recipes do you have? Did you just unlock them?

[cunning glade]

I just completed phase 2

And have unlocked trains jetpacks and oil stuff

Just oil refining

Me has 3 oil nodes 2 normal one pure

Or is it better too make a factory per one

Cuz I could do that there is more oil closeish too base

[feral geyser]

That's how I do it. One factory per vein.

[cunning glade]

Okay that makes it way easier

[feral geyser]

And then you max utilize it.

[cunning glade]

Now the issue is figuring out how too incorporate trains and where the rubber and plastic are needed

[small notch]

why did ada just tell me to "fill the rivers with blood"

[feral geyser]

You can use shards to crank up the extractors too, to pipe speed limit

[cunning glade]

One step at a time tho

[cunning glade]

She does that

[feral geyser]

compose us a blood-song

[cunning glade]

True this would be smart

Okay ty very much now have a way better idea

Wasn't sure how too approach this

[feral geyser]

You got this

[cunning glade]

Just thinking too far ahead that's all

Technically my like first playthrough

I've played before with groups but only got too steel

Now I'm playing with a friend and have gotten here very much enjoy

Glad I waited till 1.0 was out

[feral geyser]

Refineries are where the game gets fun, but i admit, it was definitely intimidating my first time through.

[cunning glade]

It's just I have no clue how much I need rn

That and then figuring out trains for being it back and need too figure out where it's needed

I currently did not bring enough steel pipe so need too get more

[feral geyser]

I say just build the factory first, worry about the trains later.

[cunning glade]

That's my plan now

Build both of them

[feral geyser]

You can have them store up then sink their outputs in the meantime, that way you can make sure they work properly as you build train lines

[cunning glade]

Ye that's my plan

Plus I can use them too unlock more milestones

[feral geyser]

Yep, exactly

[cunning glade]

And then decide if I need too make a new factory for the stuff

Or if it'll fit on top of my steel one

Is there a mod for jetpack that makes it use more than one piece of fuel

I assume so might look into it but also we shall see how fuel is

Hope there's one that increase fuel consumption but makes it work like a normal jetpack

[feral geyser]

Oh, I see what you mean, not that I know of.

Nah, you refuel by touching the ground.

[cunning glade]

Like I like the jetpack but so far the parachute is more helpful

[cunning glade]

Yeah ik I dislike this kinda

[feral geyser]

Yeah, cuz solid biofuel is trash for the jetpack

[cunning glade]

I see I figured

[feral geyser]

You gotta turn it all into liquid biofuel now

[vale grotto]

Honestly it's really not bad with the higher tier fuels

[feral geyser]

That stuff is crazy good

[cunning glade]

What I figured just annoying rn

[vale grotto]

You can get like 3 minutes of flight time with better fuel

[cunning glade]

Is that made with the heavy residue or whatever

Cuz I think that's my plan

[vale grotto]

Nope just solid fuel and water

[feral geyser]

Yep, so if you have a factory making solid biofuel rn, just hook it up to a refinery with water going in, and boom, liquid biofuel

[cunning glade]

I only have fuel and residual fuel

Rn

Was gonna do the residual since bi product of stuff

[feral geyser]

Oooohhh, I think you get in a later milestone?

[cunning glade]

Yes I need rubber and plastic first iirc

[feral geyser]

Yeah. Then you have a little bit to do first

But liquid biofuel is waaaay better for the jetpack

[cunning glade]

I see

No way too automate biofuel tho right

[feral geyser]

You can automate its production, but not its collection

[cunning glade]

Ye that's what I mean

[feral geyser]

Yeah

[cunning glade]

Is there a difference between residual fuel and fuel

[feral geyser]

(except with Vanilla Greenhouses mod)

[late pier]

Is nuclear waste from power plants useful for anything? Is it even possible to be used in the awesome sink?

[feral geyser]

Same product, just different recipes

[cunning glade]

U can do something with it too reuse it I thought

[plain gate]

make the next tier of rods

[cunning glade]

But that's spoilers for me

[feral geyser]

You can't sink nuclear waste, but you can process it into fuel rods of the next stage, and burn them

[deep dock]

You can use it to make plutonium fuel rods

[plain gate]

i dont recommend you burn plutonium rods or make fisconium either

[deep dock]

And NO WASTE

[cunning glade]

Ight was gonna use that for jetpack and prolly train fuel

[plain gate]

fisconium is too expensive to make

[late pier]

Ohhh. I haven't gotten to plutonium rods yet

[deep dock]

Ficsit does not waste!

[plain gate]

use your plutnoium rods for drones

but you need thousands to 1 load balancer

[vale grotto]

Trains only use electricity, not any chemical fuel

[cunning glade]

Oh

Sweet

[late pier]

I haven't done anything with drones yet. I'm guessing they're just better trains but they can't do liquids?

[feral geyser]

Trains dont use fuel, they use power. But you can (and should) set up some fuel gens to burn it off so your plastic and rubber can keep going and you get more power

[cunning glade]

Dab time then

[deep dock]

You gotta package them first for drones

[cunning glade]

I mean I do need more power

[plain gate]

they can, you use packages

[late pier]

Ah. Can you unpackage like water to get it to a nuclear plant or should I just use a train?

[cunning glade]

But I get oil power next

[feral geyser]

Also, "better" but they needed some fuel, not just power

[plain gate]

transporting liquid is no no, always package even in trains

[deep dock]

You can unpackage just like water, yes

[cunning glade]

But that would prolly help with managing overflow so it doesn't back up yes?

[late pier]

Oh ok. How do you unpackage

[deep dock]

All packaged goods can be UNpackaged

[deep dock]

Packager

[late pier]

Ohhh cool they can package and unpackage ok

[deep dock]

Mhmhm

[plain gate]

i don't know why you would even start to think packaging thousands of cubic meters of water per minute is a good idea

[late pier]

Can you package gas?

[deep dock]

Yes

[plain gate]

it's like baking, always bring the dry to the wet

[late pier]

Oooo ok. Def gonna have to start that up because my nitrogen gas production ain't as fast as I'd like

[cunning glade]

So with 1.0 being out

I thought there was like a inf slug method?

[feral geyser]

Yeah, so you plastic/rubber machines are gonna make HOR. You gotta have enough machines to process all of that into fuel or the first row will back up.
Then you gotta make enough fuel gens/packagers to consume all of that up, or the second row will back up, backing up the first row.

[cunning glade]

Cuz of the alien stuff was i wrong

[late pier]

Wouldn't there be with synthetic slugs?

[cunning glade]

Huh

[feral geyser]

Not infinite slug, but you can make synthetic power shards

[cunning glade]

That's a thing

[deep dock]

If you mean power shards, you can make them but that's waaaaaay later

[cunning glade]

Okay I see

[feral geyser]

End game type stuff

[cunning glade]

That's all I wanna know

[late pier]

Yea it's in the power slug MAM tree

[plain gate]

what, no? plastic and rubber refineries burn fuel, they don't have byproducts

[cunning glade]

Trying too keep myself spoiler free from end game

[plain gate]

or did he not unlock blenders yet

[cunning glade]

Mainly cuz it's just gonna overwhelm me

[deep dock]

You'll have more questions in no time

[late pier]

That's real

[feral geyser]

Base recipes

[plain gate]

oh boy....

[cunning glade]

I'm phase 2

First playthrough

[plain gate]

oh then sure thats fine

[feral geyser]

The funnest part 🙂

[late pier]

Yea I'm kinda doing the same. Not cause it'll overwhelm me but because I just wanna stay in the unknown till I beat it

[cunning glade]

Well full playthrough gotten too steel like 3 or 4 times

[cunning glade]

This also

[deep dock]

How good is multiplayer?

[cunning glade]

Amazing

[deep dock]

Is it stable?

[late pier]

It's good and fun!

[cunning glade]

Single player is cool but I could never

[late pier]

Completely. Well depends on the hosts wifi but yes

[atomic notch]

Multiplayer sucks bc hell is other ppl

[cunning glade]

Idk why but I don't like gaming without friends as much

[deep dock]

I haven't tried multiplayer at all :')

[cunning glade]

Anymore when I was a kid that's all I did

[late pier]

If you got friends with this game it's very fun

[cunning glade]

There's a lfg here it's super active

[late pier]

That too

[deep dock]

A whar?

[cunning glade]

Issue is sometimes people don't stick around

[late pier]

Looking for group

[cunning glade]

U can make a post too find people too play with here

[deep dock]

Oh

[cunning glade]

#1201555265942724758

[late pier]

Yea if you don't have any friends or none that have the game just play with random people online

[cunning glade]

Chat can I have pic perms how does that work

My cat is sleeping wanted too send a photo cuz cute cat but I can't

Why is the world so cruel

[deep dock]

Satisfactory comms must go crazy 😭

[atomic notch]

#off-topic-media

[late pier]

Awwwe. I don't know how you get pic perms tbh

[late pier]

Probably yea

[reef basin]

embed perms are disabled in #satisfactory and #off-topic-general

[deep dock]

"Alright I'll work on the computers. hours of silence"

[reef basin]

all other channels have them though

[cunning glade]

Welp good enough

[late pier]

Ohhhhh ok

[cunning glade]

He has been posted

[late pier]

AWWWEEE

[cunning glade]

He likes laying on my lap well I do factory stuff

[reef basin]

most common places to post images are: #1038092680493801533 if you want some help or have a question; or #screenshots if you want to show off your base

[cunning glade]

Can u download blueprints?

Or like subscribe too then thru steam too use them idk how it works

[plain gate]

download, no workshop

[reef basin]

they are not on steam, but you can download them from third party sites (but as always, be careful what you're downloading)

[cunning glade]

Sweet ty

[plain gate]

use the calculator website, that's basically all you need

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints

[cunning glade]

Sweet ty has exactly what I want stuff for trains

Ik I'm prolly gonna do roads for them thru the world want something nice too either take inspiration from or use

[cunning glade]

So wait

What uses that for power

[plain gate]

what uses what

[cunning glade]

Hor or the fuel that it makes idk

[plain gate]

fuel gens burn fuel

[cunning glade]

I see I don't have those yet

[deep dock]

Man... This somersloop is making my skin a little itchy...

[cunning glade]

Okay so u need more plastic from my understanding

[woeful gate]

What is the fastest method of travel?

[cunning glade]

Is there a thing as too much plastic

[deep dock]

HYPAH TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB

[woeful gate]

Hyper tube cannon or just regular?

[plain gate]

you usually need a 5:4 ratio of rubber to plastic in end game

[deep dock]

Yeah a cannon

Make you go NYYOOOOOM

[plain gate]

nope

but you won't be using your plastic factories right now later on either

[deep dock]

There is no limit of production

[plain gate]

default recipes are pretty bad

[deep dock]

Ficsit NEEDS your materials

[cunning glade]

Cuz I have 3 nodes too 300 oil which I was gonna make rubber

[hard ivy]

that's 2700 rubber lol

[cunning glade]

And then there's another spot close that has 7 or 8 that I was gonna make plastic

I see

[deep dock]

Nah

Make fuel

[hard ivy]

assuming you meant 3 nodes 300 each

[cunning glade]

Yes

[plain gate]

he doesnt have blenders unfortunately lol

[hard ivy]

you don't need blenders

[plain gate]

cant really use them

oh right packaged

[cunning glade]

Anyways is 7 node of oil for plastic overkill rn

[deep dock]

No

Gather all surrounding materials

[cunning glade]

Sweet cuz I was gonna find another oil node and have that be power

Cuz I think that if I make both of these and power them my grid won't handle it

[peak wasp]

good morning pioneers

[uncut trail]

How can i change bomb type on detonator

[cunning glade]

So one full pipe of oil can feed 10 refinerys for rubber?

[hard ivy]

hold R

[uncut trail]

ty

[coral sundial]

Should I play some satisfactory

[proud bough]

Yes

[coral sundial]

Ok thank you

[lunar lark]

Will the next major update be about war?

[reef basin]

we don't even know if there's gonna be a major update next (apart from console release)

[hollow halo]

HHHH I wanna make pretty builds with factories

But I think I’m too early game to do it

[bronze dagger]

How does mutliplayer work? If I host can my friend reload the same world and he just hosts it? Or can he only play if Im on

[unkempt blade]

the voices in my head said it'll be about mk2 factory carts

[modest nest]

he can only play when you're on unless you host a dedicated server

[unkempt blade]

<@&387163995947270144> we've got another one

[tawdry cedar]

i was right about to ask, should we call mods?

[modest nest]

^

[tawdry cedar]

but yeah good call

[modest nest]

thanks mods

[worldly pelican]

-# pew pew

[bronze dagger]

paid?

[modest nest]

You can host on your own pc, your pc will just have to stay on and running it 24/7

its in your steam library called Satisfactory Dedicated Server

[white dawn]

(There are third parties who you can pay to run a dedicated server for you, but they're not affiliated with CSS)

[cunning glade]

Is there a benefit too this over just using the game

Also are glass ceilings or foundations real?

[modest nest]

Uhh, I almost always do dedicated server but thats because Im on solar

[small notch]

is 10 hours in and just getting coal power good?

[coral sundial]

I’m 10 Hours in and don’t have it yet so yes prob lol

[modest nest]

depends on if you think it is

doesn't really matter how fast you progress

[small notch]

yh true

[cunning glade]

I think speed running this game would make it stale and unfun

[magic yarrow]

am trying to record a route for a truck, when i get to truck station to load truck nothing happens, the truck dont get loaded at all, and yes it is set to load

[modest nest]

Theres a few things I speedrun

liike coal power, its a pain before that

[cunning glade]

Take it at ur own pace automate as many parts as u can pretty much

I mean yes and no

Solo yes

But I haven't really played solo past steel

But when u have a friend it's honestly fine

[coral sundial]

How many lines should I automate for like fancy plates and turbines

[modest nest]

you don't have to record the action of loading and unloading, just drive the truck in a full loop to the station you started from

[glad drum]

fancy plates

[coral sundial]

Idr the name

[cunning glade]

Reinforced iron plates?

[coral sundial]

Yes those

[cunning glade]

I'd recommend 2

[modest nest]

I usually do just 2

[cunning glade]

2 assemblers

[coral sundial]

2 of each of them?

[cunning glade]

Turbines being rotors?

[coral sundial]

Yeah those

[cunning glade]

I'd say 1

[magic yarrow]

so just run it under the stations to get it loaded and unloaded?

[coral sundial]

Ok

[modest nest]

yup

[magic yarrow]

alright will try now

[cunning glade]

I do one have it go into a chest and by the time I need them it's always full and I have plenty

[cunning glade]

I rec 1 for frames aswell and for smart plating I aim for 10 a min iirc so that's 5 assemblers

[coral sundial]

You don’t have automation for the uh thing that you put those 2 together for?

[magic yarrow]

that must be a new thing cause im used to having to press the button for it to load

[modest nest]

Maybe I have no idea

[unreal sand]

I made a packaged fuel factory and am almost done with a computer factory

[glad drum]

I put my mergers too close to the storage container to setup an overflow to a sink... so now I have to set up an overflow AFTER the chest, then reconnect it behind the chest (further down the conveyor) - then put ANOTHER smart splitter overflow after that merger - or build something else to use up the remaining plates right

[modest nest]

nice! what are you using the packaged fuel for?

[modest nest]

just rebuild the crates farther away and give yourself more room behind

[unreal sand]

Jetpack and truck

[coral sundial]

What’s the best way to build these things so I can scale things

[modest nest]

noice

[coral sundial]

Because I always suck at that

[unreal sand]

Also I was exploring and found uranium in a cave

[modest nest]

depends on how you're playing megafactory or mini factories

[unreal sand]

It made my insides feel funny

[unreal sand]

I make mini factories

[white dawn]

Honestly as with most things: practice practice practice. Though I would recommend not attempting to "scale" things. Just build a factory that makes X/min of whatever. Then later on if you need more of that resource, just build a new factory to make whatever else you need (and repeat!)

[modest nest]

so just make all the parts you need to make the goal item again at the new location

[unreal sand]

I don’t go for maximum efficiency I just make sure it makes what it’s supposed to

[cunning glade]

I think true but also my brain just likes too think I'll need too scale

[modest nest]

instead of adding to existing lines and exporting stuff

[unreal sand]

Mhm

[unreal sand]

Yes that’s what I do

I think you’ve confused me for the other person

[modest nest]

I might have

[glad drum]

hmmm move the crates.... I could certainly TRY to do that, but everything is pretty expertly squeezed in there.

[white dawn]

Despite just simplicity and ease of building, that also lets you learn from your mistakes and iterate a bit more easily. If you're making factories which you're done with as soon as they're finished, you can learn from your mistakes and immediately apply your knowledge to the next build (so you can make all new mistakes!)

[modest nest]

I did yeah

[unreal sand]

Lol

[coral sundial]

How do I know how much per min I need

[cunning glade]

I also suck at finding good way too place buildings that are space efficient but still work

[unreal sand]

Math

[cunning glade]

Read

[white dawn]

Yeah, you'll certainly need to scale, but keep in mind that scaling up can also be "I'm building a new factory to handle my new needs" :)

[cunning glade]

I see

[unreal sand]

This game requires an elementary level education

[unreal sand]

I don’t spilt my goods I just make everything in house

[modest nest]

place a machine down temporarily and select the recipe you want, it'll show you how much input it needs per minute

[cunning glade]

Ehh idk a bit higher

Alot of adults have that but can't do basic math lol

[white dawn]

Honestly, you basically don't! Don't try to plan for the future -- just make what you need right now. If you're just building something for your personal storage, start with a single machine making that part. If it's generating too slowly, add another, etc. :)

[unreal sand]

Most can’t read past 6th grade so we’re screwed

Anyway

I also found a valley full of coal

[white dawn]

After you've played through the game once or twice you might have a general idea of how much you want to make of various things, but even then, your actual numbers will depend heavily on how you're building during the playthrough, what recipes you choose, etc.

[coral sundial]

Oh ok thank you

[unreal sand]

May set up a rail line to get the coal to my factory

[cunning glade]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_IronPlateReinforced_C"%3A"10"}

[white dawn]

So really don't worry about "how much should I make?" Just make a bit, and then when you need more later, make more. :)

[cunning glade]

That tool is super helpful

[distant pulsar]

You need a very high IQ to play this game 160+ minimum

[unreal sand]

Ima need a ton of it as I’m going to make a ton more coal for steel

[white dawn]

I highly recommend https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production instead of satisfactory-calculator for factory solving, btw.

[unreal sand]

And a degree in logistics and engineering

[distant pulsar]

Thats why I like it so much obviously

[modest nest]

Im managing just fine with like 3 braincells

[cunning glade]

Didn't know there was another

[white dawn]

satisfactory-calculator's map is A+, for sure, but for factory solving, sftools is better in just about every way

[cunning glade]

Okay I did

But I remember this one I just didn't find it when I searched for one

[true mulch]

!wikisearch online+tools

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=online+tools

[cunning glade]

🩷 ty

[uncut trail]

can anyone do math for me

[cunning glade]

Ur calculator or ai can #math-and-meta

[uncut trail]

what ai

[cunning glade]

Any ai

[uncut trail]

gpt can do it?

[cunning glade]

Yes

[uncut trail]

ok ty

[white dawn]

AI cannot do math for you. It can pretend to do math for you, and maybe even get the answer right often enough to make you trust it, but then it will always inevitably make a mistake and lead you awry. Use a tool appropriate for your problem -- for Satisfactory there are a lot of them.

[true mulch]

PLEASE don't use generative AI for game assistance @uncut trail

[white dawn]

And for general math there are a lot more tools, of course.

[uncut trail]

now im split in half here

[true mulch]

Ask in #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533

[modest nest]

I just press N ingame and use that calculator

[uncut trail]

ill do it myself on paper

[cunning glade]

I mean I find it works for this or Factorio but fair

[white dawn]

Large Language Models are not calculators

[cunning glade]

I don't use it often but I think it's an option

[true mulch]

AIs don't know what they're doing

[distant pulsar]

Best to run a poll and take a few weeks to think about it before making a decision

[glad drum]

how many foundries for steel do y'all make first time around? I'm thinkin 8 to use up all 360 iron nearby

[true mulch]

It's just guessing words

[cunning glade]

I mean anytime I ask it about game stuff it tends too be right

[uncut trail]

i just wnat to know how much turbo fuel can i make with 1760 normal fuel a min

[true mulch]

Uh, about 20/min beams, pipes and EIB, whatever that is

Solid steel is a must btw

[cunning glade]

Wouldn't that be 1760/ whatever it cost a min too make turbofuel

[white dawn]

That's part of the problem, combined with the fact that its hallucinated nonsense looks indistinguishable from the times where it does get stuff right. It's just autocomplete; it doesn't know anything. You cannot rely on LLMs for facts without fact-checking literally everything it tells you. As soon as you start trusting its output you're cooked.

[true mulch]

Give me a moment

[trim sundial]

WOW, the controller support feels so comfortable and intuitive

[regal lantern]

What if we made an LLM which only fact checked other LLMs? 🤔

[uncut trail]

i did my math and got 1466

[cunning glade]

But it hasn't been wrong for me when I've used it so idk

[glad drum]

Ah - more power/buildings but significantly more yield... i'll try to fish for that before I get started ty

[true mulch]

@uncut trail https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=bn7qS5ZzKP7Cqq27VqB9

[uncut trail]

i did 1760/22.5 and x it by 18.75

[true mulch]

Yes 1466.67

[uncut trail]

thx

[true mulch]

Check the link

[cunning glade]

Ur math was right I believe

[uncut trail]

fuck me over thousand coal and sulfur

[white dawn]

Exactly the problem: now you trust it, and you're not fact-checking it. So when it is inevitably wrong you'll just carry its wrongness into your own work.

[uncut trail]

chat gpt told me 2640 ✌🏻

[white dawn]

Anyway, don't want to keep banging on about that, so I'll shut up about it. :)

[dim beacon]

hello did the new patch drop , been away but didnt see my game update?

[uncut trail]

im better that ai

[cunning glade]

But I do fact check it

[true mulch]

#patch-notes

[cunning glade]

Imo it's just numbers if u give it the right numbers it'll give u the right answer

[uncut trail]

if i make that much turbo fuel and hook it up to arount 195 generators ill make 48866mw power

[bronze dagger]

is there a glitch where stuff you just never put into a specific bin show up in said bin

[white dawn]

It doesn't understand numbers, though. It's just predictive text. I'm glad you're fact-checking it; if you continue to do so religiously you'll eventually catch it out. But if you're spending all that time fact-checking, why not just use a tool which understands the problem and is guaranteed to give you numbers which make sense?

Anyway, I said I was gonna shut up and then didn't, so I'll double down on that now. :D

[cunning glade]

How doesn't it understand numbers

Cuz it is a calculator

[true mulch]

Generative AI isn't a calculator

All it does is guess what word follows the previous

[glad drum]

No, you should not use a general-purpose language model (LLM) as a reliable calculator because they are not designed for precision and often make arithmetic errors due to being trained on predicting text, not performing calculations. However, LLMs can be made more accurate for calculations by being integrated with tools like code interpreters or task-specific calculation tools, allowing them to delegate the actual computation to specialized, accurate systems

That's what the AI told me and I trust it

[true mulch]

For example GPT5 can dynamically switch between underlying models based on the prompt for better accuracy

However, it's still not guaranteed to be exact

[white dawn]

(Also, for eff's sake, using a real calculator will boil like a million percent less ocean than using any of the LLMs out there. If you need to crunch numbers, use an appropriate tool for it)

[true mulch]

I mean I used it to check some integrals that were too complex for Photomath and its solution matched mine

[white dawn]

Like if you want something fancy, at least go to Wolfram Alpha or something. :D

[true mulch]

Paywall

Doesn't show steps

[white dawn]

Ah, I suppose. I basically never need to do math fancy enough to make me want to actually plug 'em in there. I mostly only ever go there to look for silly unit conversions and such. :D

[true mulch]

AI is a useful tool but it's very important to understand how it produces the answer and how it can be wrong

I strongly believe cybersecurity is going to become huge from the rise of vibe coded software

[cunning glade]

Well worst case it's only numbers I can always fact check with a calculator

[true mulch]

I mean, there are existing tools for this game that are guaranteed to be correct

[cunning glade]

Yeah but then I have too tab out

[true mulch]

In Satisfactory, the Computer is a mid-to-late game item used in advanced production chains. To craft one Computer in the Assembler, you need:

10 Circuit Boards

2 Plastic

2 Cables

4 Screws

[cunning glade]

In game one is nice sometimes but meh

[true mulch]

Argue with the wall

[cunning glade]

Huh

[true mulch]

"In Satisfactory, which components are needed to craft a Computer?"

[cunning glade]

Fuck if ik

That doesn't look fun tho

I am not hyped for manufacturers

[grim python]

is there an option to NOT craft from Dimensional depot first? I have the mats in inventory but it's pulling from depot

[silk ocean]

Yea

Checkbox in inventory above depot items

[grim python]

thank you

[dusky dagger]

Totally agree, + there is a calculator embedded in Satisfactory

[ivory condor]

Just use llms for calculators, this won't end badly at all

[noble topaz]

What's 2+2?
"2+2 = 5"

[ivory condor]

So you tried chatgpt 5 as well i take it

[reef basin]

that's rarely true

[cunning glade]

I find it is but fair

[modest nest]

You can pretty easily trick chatgpt into thinking math works in different ways

[cunning glade]

Well I ain't trying too trick it

I'm just saying when I've used it for coding or whatever games it's worked quite well so🤷

[ivory condor]

Maybe it will be true if ai eventually gets to AGI?

[reef basin]

even then, why ask AI when you can use a calculator

[ivory condor]

Because solving simple math problems via using far more computing power than is actually necessary sounds fun

Maybe it can make more sense if they make future models be more energy efficient

[cunning glade]

I don't always have my phone on me I don't really like the in-game one and I don't wanna tab out

Only reason I used it once but it worked well so idk

[reef basin]

you need to tab out no matter if you use AI or calculator...

[small notch]

Yo, I have the alternate recipes for iron bars into copper wire, iron bars into screws and plates and copper wire into reinforced plates so which recipe should I use to make reinforced plates? Plates and wire or plates and screws

[spare furnace]

is there a mod that allows for trains to not need blocks and path lights because lowkey i can not wrap my head around them... ive watched maybe 40 minutes of tutorials and i cant get my blocks to work...

[reef basin]

whichever you like the most, there's no real "best" or "worst" approach, it depends on your preferences

[small notch]

What can output the most plates without production boosters

[reef basin]

most plates? if you build a lot of machines 😉

[frail sleet]

You don't need to put multiple trains on the same track.

Also, block is extremely simple. The space between two signals is a "block" and only one train can be there at a time.

[cunning glade]

No I don't I just speak and it tells me

[reef basin]

or do you mean "most per resource X"? or "most per machine"?

[spare furnace]

lmao way to late for that

[cunning glade]

Anyways on a game note are glass ceilings real?

I saw walls but I didn't see foundation or ceilings but maybe I missed it

[spare furnace]

ive got three trains that intersect at different points how ever they are on a schedule that doesnt allow them to hit

[small notch]

I mean like what can output the most plates per min

[spare furnace]

but i fear as i progress it will only get worse

[fluid sapphire]

Iron is very common, I wouldn't worry about maximising your gains from it, that said, I almost always make everything up to motors from iron only, so recipes like iron wire, stitched plate, steel rotor come in clutch. Note, screws don't play well with manifolds. If you like manifolds, use stitched plate

[reef basin]

well that depends on how many machines you build 😉

[small notch]

Yeah fair just cba too build all the foundations lol

[reef basin]

then don't

[small notch]

I need to find somewhere with more space too

[frail sleet]

why do they intersect

[small notch]

That’s the only thing stopping me

[cunning glade]

Build in the sky

[spare furnace]

junctions or stations

[small notch]

Tbf might have too

[fluid sapphire]

Vertical building is the way to go

[small notch]

Anyone know anywhere with a good amount of coal I can’t find any good spots

[cunning glade]

What u should do make a giant floating platform and put whatever u want on it then connect the platform too the ground with things that look good if u want

[reef basin]

space is everywhere 😉 especially vertical one

[small notch]

Yeah a floating platform would help with space lol

[cunning glade]

Yes I used too think building on ground but I never had space

[spare furnace]

@frail sleet check #screenshots

[small notch]

Oh well who cares about looks when I can produce loads of materials 🤷

[fluid sapphire]

Floating platform is the easy answer, if you don't care for looks, personally not a big fan, I like that every factory is a sort of building, even if architecturally nonsense xd

[small notch]

I’ll make it look nice when I finish the game lol

[reef basin]

these are better put in #1038092680493801533 , so that you don't need to switch between two channels

[cunning glade]

Well I don't like it either that's why I make it look good

[spare furnace]

im not looking for help

i was just showing them how they intersect

[fluid sapphire]

You say that, but the amount of work it is to decorate everything after-the-fact will end up being pretty wild

[spare furnace]

i mean i kinda am looking for help but nothing that needs and entire channel for

[cunning glade]

Yeah decorate as u go it gives u a nice break from doing math or numbers

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah

[cunning glade]

Plus time for things too fill up

Make sure u don't have any issues

[small notch]

I’m not very good at decorating it doesn’t normally go very well

[cunning glade]

Sometimes pipes or belts don't place how u tell them

[small notch]

It ends up looking worse than what I started with

[cunning glade]

Look at other peoples stuff and take inspiration

[fluid sapphire]

I'm not either, I just have a system that ends up making everything look similar, but good enough

[cunning glade]

That's what I do find something I like and incorporate it in someway that works for my build

[small notch]

Yeah I might have to try

[cunning glade]

Def recommend it

[small notch]

When I get coal set up should I delete my biomass setup or keep it just incase I need

[cunning glade]

There are alot of videos aswell showing how too do certain things for decorating

Cuz u can do some really advanced stuff if yo what ur doing imo

[cunning glade]

Keep it

[small notch]

Ok I will

[cunning glade]

Make battery's so it fills up a back up grid

Incase coal ever goes offline

[fluid sapphire]

I can cobble all the decoration together for a medium sized building in 30-90min, depending on size, they all end up more or less like this #screenshots message

[small notch]

Yeah I still need to research the batteries I prob should do that soon

I just can’t find any good spots of coal

[cunning glade]

Where'd u spawn

[small notch]

Grass fields

[cunning glade]

Ah frick I haven't played grass fields in forever

[topaz shale]

Yeah I had to go north a little bit to find a place with a lake and coal.

[cunning glade]

I dislike that place

[small notch]

Alr ty ill have to check it out

[cunning glade]

Northern forest or rocky desert are my fav

[small notch]

There’s one pure node nearby but no water for miles

[topaz shale]

It's not a bad place to start in and could still easily finish the game there. That's what I'm doing and am close to. Once you get trains, then expanding into the other areas is much easier.

[cunning glade]

U can bring the coal too the iron which has water near by

Unless they removed the whole lake

[topaz shale]

I will say go north and scan for coal, there should be a ping of like 4 normal coal nodes.

[small notch]

How do I scan for coal do I have to unlock it

Wrong reply

[cunning glade]

Iirc yes

All good

U unlock it with coal power no?

[fluid sapphire]

Grass fields is great, you can make everything all the way up to HMF without going anywhere else

[proud bough]

#screenshots message

map of coal nodes in grass lands

[small notch]

Unless I haven’t checked since I don’t think so

[topaz shale]

If you unlocked the ability to make the coal power plants, then you should be able to scan for it like any other resource.

[proud bough]

theres only two

and theyre both on the coast

[cunning glade]

Northern forest on top

[fluid sapphire]

Those are better used for steel

[small notch]

That’s a bit annoying tbh

I’ll just have to setup a sub factory somewhere

[proud bough]

eastern dune forest has a bunch of coal

[small notch]

Also what is Sam used for I got some earlier

[proud bough]

strange alien matter

it more important latter

[small notch]

Ok

[ivory condor]

Neurolink, integrate ai directly into brain, no need to tab out anymore this idea surely won't end badly at all

[small notch]

I got like 15 stacks of it I didn’t know if I’d need

[proud bough]

you will

[small notch]

Thought so lol

[proud bough]

its used in the alien tech tree in the MAM

[fluid sapphire]

i have the perfect spot#screenshots message

thats where a lot of people who start in grass fields make their first coal power plant

[small notch]

I’ll go and explore that when I next go on and try and find some

[proud bough]

youll need a ton later in the game

[topaz shale]

Yup, that is where I go for my coal power.

[proud bough]

also mercer spheres and sommersloops are critical

[fluid sapphire]

i did too

[small notch]

That’s a great spot i will use that ty

[shy mulch]

What's the biggest coal plant anyone has made

[topaz shale]

Let me get to fuel power and then with getting the diluted fuel recipe and heavy oil residue recipes, power is no no concern. The blue crater area for oil power is amazing.

[fluid sapphire]

i still remember the day i built mine there, and ziplined back to my grass fields complex heheh

[small notch]

Yeah I’ve been saving the ones I get ada always gets a bit weird when I pick one up

[fluid sapphire]

blue crater is the bomb for making nitro rocket fuel

[peak wasp]

Hi again Satisfactories. I made a simple A to B train line with one train on it. I'm getting 'Next station not reachable' error on the train. I haven't put any signals on the track at all. Why won't it go!?!?

[fluid sapphire]

station oriented the wrong way, the flat side is the entrance

either one or both are the wrong way around

[peak wasp]

I will check but I'm sure I didn't do that

[small notch]

Not excited to have to set up trains when I unlock

[fluid sapphire]

its the only explanation

[topaz shale]

How does the train line look? I think you may still need rail signals but first, make sure that the train can actually reach the stations.

[peak wasp]

You're right, I put the station the wrong way round

[topaz shale]

It is a bit of a learning curve but not too hard to use.

[fluid sapphire]

trains are soooo fun once you get them going and understand signals

[small notch]

What’s that turbofuel stuff about and compressed coal are either of them good

[shy mulch]

Hmmm 1 pure oil node turned into petroleum coke can feed 96 coal generators. Sounds like a project for when I'm bored after my megafactory is done 😁

[topaz shale]

I found a very nice small set of blueprints for rails and oh man, placing that first train line from grassy fields to the rocky desert was amazing. Especially since it looks very natural, flowing with the land.

[peak wasp]

I don't think I will ever understand the signals.

[fluid sapphire]

you will

i didnt think i would either

[shy mulch]

There's really not much to understand. Have you tried?

[peak wasp]

So much

[shy mulch]

What problems did you encounter?

[mortal ginkgo]

block signals everywhere,

path signals for places that you want to make sure that train can go ONLY if it can leave the next segment, such as crossing, train stations etc.

[peak wasp]

I can't even do a simple passing siding

[fluid sapphire]

personally i dont think turbofuel is worth making at all, rocket fuel is much better

cue rocket fuel haters

[reef basin]

trains always take shortest route, so passing siding (for single direction) is not possible

[small notch]

Ok I won’t bother trying to get

[shy mulch]

Just put block signals everywhere, it's hard to get wrong

[peak wasp]

I tried like 5 different ways and couldn't get it to work so gave up

[small notch]

What tier is trains?

[shy mulch]

That's situational. Each has a purpose

[shy mulch]

I can't even think of 5 ways to do it. Start with a simple junction

[mossy rock]

ive scanned like 30 hard drives and i cant get diluteded fuel am i missing smth here?

[topaz shale]

With diluted fuel and HOR, I have yet a need to actually try to get to rocket fuel. I eventually may try to get it but haven't had a need yet.

[fluid sapphire]

it just so happens these are both precursor recipes for the best nitro rocket fuel setup
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Od8Toqmw5pl95HOyMlUk

2400 rocket fuel nets you 144GW of power

[deep dock]

Simply not enough scanned, get back to work!!

[topaz shale]

As long as you unlocked the ability to make the blender, which is a tier 7 building, then you should get it eventually.

[proud bough]

have you been leaving them alone if the dont have diluted fuel

[topaz shale]

Thankfully, It should make converting it to using the rocket fuel recipe easier.

[remote plank]

is it right that all the different modes like desert and everything are just different spawns on the same map

[topaz shale]

Yup, all the same map.

[shy mulch]

Yes, there is only 1 map. The 4 options at the start are just different spawn points

[proud bough]

cause if you leave them alone and dont pick then both options stay out of the pool of recipes it will give you the choice of

[remote plank]

could i not just travel to an easier area upon starting

[shy mulch]

like what? the best places to start are given to you as options

[small notch]

Does using mods remove steam achievements?

[shy mulch]

It should, but I don't think it does

[topaz shale]

I probably won't transition to this recipe until I can get to the mk3 miner and by then, turning a node or 2 on the western coast for plastic and rubber and turning the heavy oil to fuel, I don't think I'll have power issues unless I decide to keep playing after I beat the game.

[small notch]

I want use the infinite zoop mod just to help foundation building but idk if I should

[shy mulch]

It's a very satisfying recipe to do though. I'd reccomend trying it 😎

[shy mulch]

Only you can decide what you consider OK or not

[topaz shale]

No harm in using QOL mods. I use that mod all the time. So damn handy.

[small notch]

Yeah I prob will use then

[mossy rock]

does using rocket fuel make your oil go 3x futher? for power plants?

[fluid sapphire]

thats fair, i dont have mk3 miners myself yet, but i designed my power plant so that when i unlock them, and mk6 belts, i can double my power by upgrading a couple of conveyors and miners

[fluid sapphire]

further?

[mossy rock]

yea, like using 1500 turbo fuel is 50k mw but 1500 turbo fuel turned into rocket fuel is 3x more right?

[shy mulch]

Can't remember the numbers exactly, 3x sounds like a stretch, but it is definintely a good improvement

[steady glade]

in a sense, yeah, you can make about 3.1x the amount of energy

[shy mulch]

I never used turbo fuel as a power source, I went straight from fuel to rocket fuel, no regrets

[mossy rock]

HELL YES

[steady glade]

from 20gw of fuel to 72gw of rocket fuel

[mossy rock]

wish me luck im gonna make 150 gw power plant

[shy mulch]

Easy peasy 😁

[topaz shale]

I tried making a turbofuel plant my last playthrough. Was a damn headache. Glad I skipped.

[mossy rock]

lol same here, i did i think 50 gw

[shy mulch]

I'm making turbofuel but I use it for diamonds, not for power

[mossy rock]

but now i got experience

[fluid sapphire]

rocket fuel being a gas makes setting up generators 10x easier

i have 1 km tall tower of generators eheheh

[topaz shale]

Oh it's a gas? Hell yeah

[mossy rock]

what what

fr? thats awsome

ohh snap and i dont need coal this game is so good

[remote plank]

why would rocket fuel be a gas

[mossy rock]

u put it in a canister

[ripe elm]

Any tips for manifold ing pipes?

[mossy rock]

all my tips are from before 1.0 they all diffrent sorry

[topaz shale]

Make sure to raise the inputs to be above the input of the machine. Helps to make sure that buildings are pulling what they should.

[fluid sapphire]

90% of mine are flat and work just fine

[wicked nacelle]

Flat is great.

[ripe elm]

They are at 600

Per pipe

[wanton fox]

wich is better Steel INgot or Solid Steel ingot?

[shy mulch]

I've never found that to be necessary

[topaz shale]

I find raising the inputs helps in some situations. My fuel manifolds refused to work unless I lifted the manifold to be above the building input.

[topaz shale]

I meant physically lifting the manifold set up to be above the inputs of the machines.

[ripe elm]

Ooooh Like that oops

[wicked nacelle]

You want solid steel

[wanton fox]

Roger. TY

[fluid sapphire]

man i didnt consider that, i should have built a station to export my byproduct compacted coal just in case, now its pretty cramped in the area

i was planning to make oil based diamonds anyway

if i am doing that anyway then it makes no sense to throw away the compacted coal

then i will have to find some jank way to make it work xd

[topaz shale]

Spaghetti that coal out of there.

[fluid sapphire]

looks like i am gonna have to, when the time comes

[topaz shale]

I'm planning on sinking that coal until I need it, anyways.

[fluid sapphire]

i just thought it was useless, since i couldnt make diamonds with it directly, i dont know why i didnt consider turbo diamonds

especially if i am gonna make diamonds from oil anyway, thats pretty silly

but i have a dozen other projects before i can even consider making diamonds at all

[topaz shale]

Since my current project is expected to use about 5gw or so of my total 20gw of total power. I won't really do any more power stuff until after phase 4. I might mess with nuclear power just to say that I did.

[shy mulch]

I'll be doing it soon. I've realised I'm short by 440/min dark matter crystals, getting enough SAM will be the hard bit

[topaz shale]

I love that dark matter is a fluid in this game

[mossy rock]

congrats

[lime coyote]

does anyone have a video they recommend to learn train logistics? im not sure if its better to do 1 object per locomotive, or if i should have locomotives bringing everything deposited from a certain station

[peak wasp]

What's the best weapon to use against a whole big gang of mobs?

[atomic gale]

lol i just came to ask similar questions

[peak wasp]

😄

[atomic gale]

but about turbo ammo, i haven't researched it and can't find info about mag sizes or damage?

[woeful gate]

Why can't you charge a power storage with a biofuel generator?

[frail sleet]

nuke nobelisk

[peak wasp]

😮

[atomic gale]

sometimes i group enemeies up and use cluster nobelisks, like 2-3 of them

and that works pretty well

[frail sleet]

the biofuel generator machine only generates power that is being consumed at that moment

you can charge them with liquid biofuel in fuel generators

[atomic gale]

im mostly annoyed with how many mags i need to use for larger enemies with the standard rifle, it's just kinda boring to sit in the air, strafe,and take a few shots at a ttime

[peak wasp]

Same

[frail sleet]

yeah the mag size is small and annoying

it helps to carry multiple rifles

[atomic gale]

just to switch instead of reloading?

[woeful gate]

Why does turbo rifle ammo suck so bad??? Its so expensive but its terrible.

[frail sleet]

yes

[atomic gale]

the thing is that if there are like 2-3 enemies, i need to end up using like 6-8 mags

[atomic gale]

i was just about to ask about it, does it have a higher mag size?

the wiki says it only does one less damage

so if it has double the capacity, it's worth it for less reloads?

[frail sleet]

it does but it has awful accuracy

so you miss 3/4 of your shots

[atomic gale]

even single shot?

[woeful gate]

75 mag size, but it shoots super slow and slowly speeds up as you fire.

[atomic gale]

im never shooting the regular mag full auto

[frail sleet]

single shot is really slow

so i never used it for that

[atomic gale]

ah

[frail sleet]

https://youtu.be/Z2eCmhBgsyI?t=77

[woeful gate]

turbo rifle ammo sucks, its significantly worse than just regular ammo

[feral geyser]

bro, what??

[woeful gate]

Yeah, stinger starts rushing at you, what do you want in your gun? Turbo rifle ammo with that slow ass charge up? Or just regular ammo that instantly kills the stinger

[feral geyser]

it doesn't instantly kill it?

they all do the same amount of damage per bullet, so i want the one with higher RoF

but tbh, i use homing ammo anyway

[woeful gate]

I mean maybe if you're fighting a radioactive hog and its standing still and directly in front of you might want turbo rifle ammo. You can spend 75 ammo in the span of 20 seconds to kill 1 thing.

[woeful gate]

yeah homing is best imo too

[feral geyser]

and i do carry 2 rifles as well, the second one with turbo ammo

cuz this is America, damn it

i have a right to bear nukes

[woeful gate]

then use nuke nobs :3

Unless youre shooting at a stationary target thats 2 feet in front of you, turbo rifle sucks big time.

[keen shuttle]

i just made a whole belt to make condensed coal just for it to not even give more power output then regular coal,

[willow glen]

huh? It burns slower, so you can run more coal generators off it. It doesn’t burn “hotter”

[hard ivy]

All gens say how much they produce without fuel in. Why would they produce any more or less than that?

[mossy rock]

embarrassing

[warm phoenix]

Finally unlocked zipline
Bit disappointed as it feel kinda slow

[atomic gale]

the secret is sliding and jumping

that's faster than most other transport methods

[hard ivy]

Hold shift

[warm phoenix]

Ig its still useful for crossing water

[atomic gale]

just zoop some foundations 😛

[peak wasp]

How do you fix when items are not going into a machine that is on? I replaced the conveyers and made sure its feeding the right items but it wont suck into the machine 🙁

[warm phoenix]

Did you set the recipe?

[peak wasp]

Recipe is set yeah

[willow glen]

zip line is really nice if you use the big power poles and build in mostly straight lines with them, but otherwise it’s kinda lackluster compared to just bunny sliding and jet packing

[warm phoenix]

Is powerline connected?
are there enough electricity flowing to operate?

[atomic gale]

sometimes if you had junk on the line you need to delete things twice

[peak wasp]

Yup and yup!

[peak wasp]

Did that

[atomic gale]

can you manually feed items into it?

[peak wasp]

Yeah I can

[atomic gale]

id triple check with new conveyors if that works

[peak wasp]

I redid the conveyers cause I made a mistake

[atomic gale]

maybe add some different ones to sanity check

yeah try on one machine at a time if you have multiple

if you have a manifold bad items can kinda get stuck in a splitter

[peak wasp]

I definitely fixed what was wrong but it wont eat the items 🙁

[atomic gale]

you see them moving on the belt?

[peak wasp]

yeah

[atomic gale]

try removing the very ends and replacing them

[warm phoenix]

Is the output ready?

[peak wasp]

I think I will try replacing the machine

Output is fine

[warm phoenix]

Making black steel is so fun
i still havent figured out how to input 2 materials without making a pasta

[atomic gale]

wdym?

manifolds ❤️

[willow glen]

conveyer lifts on the machine can keep it neater

[peak wasp]

I replaced the machine and it works now

[willow glen]

manifold on the ground and in the air

[atomic gale]

i prefer to just use more floor space

so just have 2 belts side by side with splitters on them for each machine

i don't really mind the belts crossing because it's a clean grid and easy to check

[willow glen]

I learned to build in the air because way too many haters on my screenshots of clipping belts. It made sense to me

[atomic gale]

i think some clipping is tasteful and functional

[willow glen]

I’m still gonna clip the terrain if it makes my builds neater tho

[atomic gale]

https://i.imgur.com/ktDySXC.jpeg

there is some clipping but i think it makes it real easy to look at what it's doing

and simple to construct

[gloomy horizon]

I clip manufactures as what a pain in the butt putting conveyor lifts and splitters in the air and it still looks like a mess

[peak grove]

guys I have a quick question, im very new and this is essentially my first playthrough since very early beta (im normally a factorio player)

[willow glen]

H > pgup pgup > right right right right click perfect every time

[peak grove]

I started desert, where do I get coal there is no coal 😭

[atomic gale]

https://imgur.com/9AI9rym

[willow glen]

Which desert there’s two

[atomic gale]

https://i.imgur.com/9AI9rym.jpeg

[atomic gale]

hard mode

[peak grove]

im bottom left of map

[atomic gale]

and you can check maps on the wiki or online

but the intended way is to use the resource scanner

[vivid spade]

My camera made me irl height :< idk why, I wasn't crouching

[atomic gale]

mine did this earlier sometimes you have to fly, slide, or use a ladder to fix it

or maybe reload?

[willow glen]

that’s not a desert, maybe you mean rocky desert top left? Use the coal on the top of the cliff to your east.

[vivid spade]

I just thought it was funny I basically don't walk anymore only hover

[peak grove]

oh yes top left forgot theres nothing below me cause map is pretty much fully black

[atomic gale]

exploring is like 1/3 of the game 😛

[peak grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986817759956594741/1410422047594774599/image.png?ex=68b0f564&is=68afa3e4&hm=e472ed47db4ad8795920ae6febafb361b3696165598a168a999ad74391eb5e34&

[atomic gale]

there are a lot of powerful collectables

[peak grove]

THAT ? 😭

I think I should unlock cars then..

[atomic gale]

you know how to use teh scanner right?

[atomic gale]

sure but how do you get stuff back? tbh you can move faster without a car

you can slide and jump over and over to get a TON of speed

hold shift and c and spam space while running and you'll see

[peak grove]

holy shit youre right

[willow glen]

Do it 4 times in a row for super speed

[atomic gale]

moving like that is faster than hoverpacks which i think are the highest tier

you want blade runners too (like skates)

[willow glen]

you’ll still want a tractor to deliver the coal, unless you really wanna fiddle with long belts. Tractors can run off of coal

[atomic gale]

but yes that can be super helpful

[atomic gale]

tbh i just go straight for a belt

and make most of my factory on one grid

[vivid spade]

I love nuking big spiders :3

[atomic gale]

it's almost always worth it imo

[peak grove]

i just checked the resource map cause I saw the coal 1000m away

[atomic gale]

yeah that will be a pain to make a belt to

[peak grove]

1000m is the close one

[atomic gale]

expensive to transport no matter what

yeah and you need water too right?

is the coal near water?

[peak grove]

yeah both are

[atomic gale]

nice that helps for generation

[hard ivy]

Why belt or truck when you can produce whatever you need at the nodes?

[atomic gale]

you won't really need to transport it until you need steel tho

[atomic gale]

because megafactory

[peak grove]

main issue is, is it worth traveling probs 1500-2000 meters to get the pure veins

vs 1000m for the impure

[atomic gale]

get the impure

you won't need much to start

and it will be a pain to setup the transport for 2x the distance

[peak grove]

bet

true highkey havent automated much yet

[atomic gale]

you may as well move where you centralize your setup if you get a "primary" resource from that distance

[pastel carbon]

The real question is, why are you transporting coal so far away

[atomic gale]

^ kinda that

[pastel carbon]

There should be iron or water close to the coal

[peak grove]

very confused on 3d layout vs 2d factorio

[atomic gale]

i do 3d for layers

[pastel carbon]

Just use the iron / water that's close to it instead of transporting it far away

[atomic gale]

so like simplest on the bottom

but i would consider your scale first, your bottom may grow a lot

i recommend a big floating foundation with a ton of clearance for your base

so you don't hit terrain on the sides when you expand

[pastel carbon]

One of the biggest tips for this game is that you can have multiple factories

[peak grove]

true

[atomic gale]

you can use walls as a bus because conveyors can snap to walls

[peak grove]

I just need a long power line

[pastel carbon]

You don't need to build everything in the same place, and it's in fact highly encouraged to have multiple factories in different locations

[plain gate]

megafactories make your fps go byebye

dont be like josh

[atomic gale]

mine is fine lol

[coral sundial]

I need 1000 of these pieces and I’m frustrated because I’m making like 4 a minute

[peak grove]

is a bus possible in this game?

[plain gate]

how many spelevator parts are you making

[peak grove]

seems like itd be a lot harder

[atomic gale]

like a main bus?

[plain gate]

buses don't make sense in this game

[pastel carbon]

It is, but it's a lot less common than factorio

[atomic gale]

kinda sorta

tbh i use a big wall at the "bottom" of my factory layout

like against one wall, for things which are commonly used

[vivid spade]

Why is liquid physics so detailed while gravity is non-existent

[atomic gale]

STRICTLY using one bus is probably not reasonable

[warped marsh]

This is why i like the other desert, you have everything even SAM, bauxite and quartz within a relatively easy grasp

the desert desert got the BIG distances

[mossy rock]

#screenshots do i need a pump here?

[peak grove]

this is the current situation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986817759956594741/1410424325777129592/image.png?ex=68b0f783&is=68afa603&hm=9f19d95e750be104352031e6b6a77c30784bc209e06f70ad559174965ae3cd7d&

[atomic gale]

part of what makes a bus make less sense is that you can often produce "perfect" ratios of stuff from nodes