satisfactory

[burnt ferry]

ii dont have a network really. but with the 'trick' to use coal direclty as fuel its oftentimes easier to put some tractors (not trucks!!!!) instead of many long belts

the throughput is pretty high

[fluid sapphire]

what in the devil can cause a fluctuation of 1.5mw?

[burnt ferry]

augmenter

geysir

[fluid sapphire]

dont use those

[thorn dagger]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68aa0abca0c2236f30c1e4ca

Do you guys agree?

[hard ivy]

Train

[burnt ferry]

you use different belts for that

[thorn dagger]

wdym

[fluid sapphire]

nope, its on a separate grid from trains

[burnt ferry]

jetpack (the power powered one0

[fluid sapphire]

not wearing it

[hard ivy]

1. the devs already said no
2. it's useless, frankly
3. you can already do that if you really want to

[tiny flicker]

I finally booted the game after 8 months off! Let’s see what I can do

[hard ivy]

The hoverpack is always 100

[thorn dagger]

not really useless but ok

[burnt ferry]

the game has means to kinda limit throughput on belts byusing lower grade belts.. not ideal but i guess it wont gain any traction because of that

[fading plinth]

Yeah I bring trucks into play instead of long belts, probably less efficient but it's a lot cooler to see trucks than belts all over

[burnt ferry]

ONE HUNDRED?

[burnt ferry]

tractors... trucks suck

[fading plinth]

well i say trucks but i mean land transport

[burnt ferry]

ye

factory cart 😂

[fluid sapphire]

its consistent increments of 1.5MW, its very strange, i dont have any machines clocked low enough to use that much, and i know pumps use more than that

[hard ivy]

You know, I thought I wanted something like this for about the first 100 of my 1500h of playing the game.

And if it was added, I wouldn't use it, because it's a waste of time 99% of the time

[keen oriole]

literally me in reverse. I prefer grasslands so I got smart this time and did the phase 4 Megafactory in desert . i haven't touched green fields and I'm going there for phase 5.

[fading plinth]

I do use trucks for hauling all my fancy oil coke from one play to another, just more per trip and i dont trust a row of tractors not to fuck up somewhere

[tiny flicker]

I’m very very happy

[thorn dagger]

its better to have it, it would makes ome things faster, instead of tuning each one of ur consturctors to match the production

[keen oriole]

except, my games slow anyway. so I might just start again.

[thorn dagger]

u can tune 1

[hard ivy]

100 MW is basically nothing at the stage you unlock the hoverpack

[hard ivy]

You don't even need to do that either

[burnt ferry]

you want to think of the games mechanic in terms of saturated belts... limiting belts in throughput is kind of an antipattern

[keen oriole]

it's all about beltsful

[burnt ferry]

ye

[fading plinth]

I love starting in the desert but I started this save with a friend who bailed on me like 3 days in hah we started grass just because it was easier

[thorn dagger]

stop saying belts;-;

[burnt ferry]

lul... the desert is littered with slugs and slops.. just have to pick them up from the ground 😂

[fluid sapphire]

any other ideas`? i am all out

[river oriole]

ideas for what

[fluid sapphire]

what could be causing power fluctuations in increments of 1.5MW

[fading plinth]

I dont even pick up slugs anymore

[fluid sapphire]

its oddly specific

[thorn dagger]

im new bro, i guess ill tune each constructor to what i need

[river oriole]

what does fluctuation mean

[burnt ferry]

gotta catch em all

[burnt ferry]

going up and down

[fluid sapphire]

graph go up, graph go down

[hard ivy]

It'd be something that consumes 1.6±0.05. because idle consumption is 0.1

[river oriole]

oh

[fading plinth]

as soon as I could print them, I stopped. What I did forget to do is process the slugs through a constructor with a sloop

so that was big dumb

[burnt ferry]

i was made aware after i consumed only half of my maps slugs.. so i could rescue a lot

[hard ivy]

An underclocked constructor or smelter would be my guess

[burnt ferry]

i like the train idea.. small slope..

[burnt ferry]

also whats never to late is to slop both steps of alien dna production.. to quadruple dna output

[fading plinth]

I wish there was a mod to track down what machines have my sloops because I have like 6 on me but I know I collected like 100 hah

[burnt ferry]

you can tell from the outside

[keen oriole]

that has a mod I saw it yesterday

[burnt ferry]

they make noises and lightning when slopped

[fluid sapphire]

ah. damn, i think you might be onto something here. i have a large chunk of smelters clocked so they consume 1.6MW. but its veeeeeery strange they would struggle, considering they are being fed exact amounts (these being the only fluctuations should mean that preceding machines work fine)

[burnt ferry]

but yes

[keen oriole]

they spew magenta fumes

[azure ermine]

am I supposed to set up aluminum so I can unlock blenders before I try the the alternate heavy oil residue and diluted fuel route? I feel like I'm getting ahead of myself

[fading plinth]

I need to go find this mod

[burnt ferry]

they get fed amounts but is what they produce properly consumed?

[fluid sapphire]

it gets sinked

every output line gets either loaded on a train or sinked

[burnt ferry]

mk4 segment somewhere?

[fading plinth]

I mean I know they put out purple smoke bug I cant see that in my rats nest haha

[burnt ferry]

mk1 lift at output which requires mk2?

[fluid sapphire]

mk5 belts and lifts everywhere. only carry 180 each

[violet needle]

aaa #screenshots why cant it WORK

[thorn dagger]

@hard ivy wdym by "3" ?

i just saw it edited

[burnt ferry]

using belts!

[thorn dagger]

ah ok

[cobalt plinth]

Is there a better system with DRones now, where I don't have to build 2 platforms per drop off

[fluid sapphire]

also also. that would mean that scrap at input. or ingot as output. would start backing up. it hasnt

[burnt ferry]

put a splitter, one mk1 belt and one mk6 belt --> mk1 has 60/min

[violet needle]

wanted a cool mini-railyard but the tracks dont separate for the signals

[burnt ferry]

yea alu scrap never backs up 😂

[hard ivy]

Slower belts and loopback

[burnt ferry]

hows your alu refinery (alu fluid and scrap ones) pipes setup? i got blockage when i connected randomly

[thorn dagger]

loopback;-;

[fading plinth]

2 drones per drop off? paint me a picture

[thorn dagger]

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

its anything but random, 25 blocks of 8 smelters (4 full speed, 4 at 50%)
#screenshots message

outputs are not blocked

[keen oriole]

https://ficsit.app/mod/WhereSomersloop

[thorn dagger]

im using 2 normal sources which round up to 120 using MK2, i fully maxed out everything, but is clipping gonna hurt anything?

[fading plinth]

you're the goat

[thorn dagger]

(this is my 2nd world asfter my 1st was a bit TOOOOO messy.

[fading plinth]

are you building 2 drone pads, one for items and one for fuel?

[flint forge]

Please add potted plants to the awesome shop

[burnt ferry]

i say 'random' but what i specifically mean is that i had a alu fluid refinery connected to a alu scrap refinery which send its water back to a different alu fluid refinery

that caused the alu fluid to back up

[fluid sapphire]

my setup is linear, 1 input pipe per solution refinery, piped straight into a scrap refinery, which has its water piped into iron or copper ingot refineries, no loop backs, all linear, not complicated

[neat crescent]

does anyone have any experience with severe FPS drops around 54 power storages that are charging?

[fluid sapphire]

i have experience with 8000 power storage units causing crazy lag

[neat crescent]

the lag is actually less when power is being consumed for some reason

the air-in efect is probably not as optimized

[fluid sapphire]

i had 15-20 fps with my old setup in that area

[worldly cove]

Hi guys, quick question, my FIC SIT quick search cannot do calculations, is that a research? lol

[fluid sapphire]

while charging, yeah

[burnt ferry]

sounds good hten... another thing that just popped into my mind is water extractors.. like i have a few which every now and then idle for a few seconds because their output backs up... there is enough demand on the other side... mostly its when i had like 0.5m too much headlift unknowingly

[neat crescent]

I have... four. Four FPS

[fluid sapphire]

i was actually exceeding headlift at first, but i went over every spot where i needed lift and added a considerable chunk of extra pumps overall. no pump is attempting to push close to max now

[noble topaz]

how many batteries should i have

[burnt ferry]

all

[crisp edge]

random question for the group. let's say i have mk1 pipes. obviously those can only hold 300 cubic meters of a liquid. if i put a junction right at a fully overclocked pure oil node and split it , could i end up with two full pipes, allowing me to harness all 600 that the extractor could provide?

[burnt ferry]

only with a mk2 pipe

[keen oriole]

there simply is no way to connect a junction directly to a node

[burnt ferry]

the pipe that comes out the extractor must hold the total amount.. same problem as with belts

[keen oriole]

the mk1 pipe connecting the node to the junction is the bottleneck

[noble topaz]

#screenshots message

[crisp edge]

ah, so i would have one small section of mk1 pipe that could never allow me to get there

yeah, same thought^

[burnt ferry]

y

[crisp edge]

good thing i unlocked mk2 pipes last session. time to go rework my fuel gen plant

[neat crescent]

You won't be able to "connect" the junction to the extractor without a pipe, sadly

[keen oriole]

yeah don't use mk1 anywhere anymore just upgrade everything

[crisp edge]

yeah i literally just unlocked them before logging off last night and left myself a note in my todos to upgrade the plant

[keen oriole]

I try to avoid using pipes before I can get mk2. as much as possible

[burnt ferry]

having mk2 pipes go into machines can make the pipe network unstable

[crisp edge]

explain

[keen oriole]

oh that's good to know

[burnt ferry]

you want pipes to be saturated... a pipe with a higher throughput after a junction thats not needed can drag too much from the junction

[keen oriole]

yeah it would cause sloshing I can see how that makes perfect sense

[fiery lotus]

No machine recipe for fluctuators, I can't believe I have to craft them by hand 🤮

[crisp edge]

so you're just saying that once i start using mk2 pipes i need to treat them like conveyor splitters where i'd downgrade belt speed after the splitter(even though i don't think belts "pull" so it doesn't really matter for them)

[neat crescent]

I do use the mk1 pipes anywhere I will have less flowthrough than 300m³/m because the clean ones are... prettier lol

[keen oriole]

⛲

[crisp edge]

are you saying there's no clean mk2

[burnt ferry]

its not that bad for belts because belts have direction

if theyre not saturated things are just slower, which is ok if the higher speed is not needed anyway

[crisp edge]

just asking if the logic tracks, that's all. let's not get hung up on belts

[keen oriole]

clean mk2 is not very clean looking!

[neat crescent]

there is a clean mk2, but they still have mk2 pipeline texture

[burnt ferry]

it does translate.. its just that it kinda is only really relevant for pipes

[fiery lotus]

It's good to use manifolds for liquid anyways so good place for them

[thick oak]

I got your friend code put in!

[crisp edge]

yeah, i'm with you

[burnt ferry]

but i am doing the same for belts as you do

[crisp edge]

accepted

[violet needle]

#screenshots

[fiery lotus]

Belt are bidirectional in their own way, just opposite of pipes

When they clog the effect then backflows

[thick oak]

Can I poke around your world? ^-^

[crisp edge]

are you saying there's a liquid buildable called a manifold or just referring to a manifold layout where the liquid comes in from one end and gets split at every junction?

[crisp edge]

yeah, feel free, just don't expect anything cool looking like your world. i saw your building progress in those screenshots last night, i haven't even attempted anything like that. i barely use walls at all so far

[fiery lotus]

The latter of course, I don't even use buffers (the item) I wouldn't use some janky pre-packaged fluid manifold

[fading plinth]

Is there a better way to build out giant platforms? Like I have a blueprint of giant slab but man getting them to snap quickly is almost slower then zooping lines

[brazen jetty]

why are my pipes randomly having a flow back problem literally i havent had a problem until a few minutes ago for some reason

[fiery lotus]

Infinite Zoop is mandatory I've been playing with it since day 1

Been messing with blueprints and I don't think there's a way to line them up quickly when they're big

[fading plinth]

is that a mod? I havent installed a mod like ever but in my old age im getting annoyed quicker and quicker lol

[burnt ferry]

yes there ijs.. they just align worse to non blueprints sometimes

[fiery lotus]

Yesiree

[burnt ferry]

but with blueprint mode enbled they snap as easy as machines when holding ctrl

[fiery lotus]

It enables square zoops & longer zoops

The longer zoops require researching in the MAM

Not that you're going to be making 100 long zoops in the early game anyways

[fading plinth]

I play a game, Eco, where they let you build kind of like zoop but you can build more than just a strip, you can build out squares

[burnt ferry]

oh yes i would 😂

[fiery lotus]

A true pioneer

[wicked nacelle]

infinite zoop mod does this - it's vanilla friendly

[burnt ferry]

lul

[fading plinth]

yeah I just pulled up the mod and there it was in the first picture lol my brain is firing on 1/4 capacity today, well most days

[fiery lotus]

Ah you can't sloop miners, my day is ruined.

[burnt ferry]

they have no input mats

makes no sense... also putting slops into the smelter also multiplie the ore

[wicked nacelle]

it has a pretty simple unlock tree in the mam

[burnt ferry]

putting the slop up higher multiplies the entire chain

[fading plinth]

Just do what my dumbass partner did and pip in 10 train cars of iron from throughout the map

[fiery lotus]

Yeah I'll just put it on end products

Saves on performance more anyways

[wicked nacelle]

though.. I think maybe it takes batteries? it takes something "weird"

[shy mulch]

I've you've played with it since day 1 then how do you know it's 'mandatory'? I play perfectly fine without it

[fiery lotus]

Because I can imagine the suffering of zooping line by line

[burnt ferry]

nah its good seperation

[wicked nacelle]

you can also make a blueprint of foundations and lay down 25 or 36 at a time

[burnt ferry]

you have like 10x10 grid to work with

[wicked nacelle]

ignore wasist. he's a troll

[shy mulch]

I can place a blueprint of 6x6 foundations faster than I can zoop 1x10 foundations. It's really not an issue

[burnt ferry]

he apprentice.. no troll yet

[fiery lotus]

Yeah that's fair, so far I've only done blueprints for reproducing finished facilities though.

[wicked nacelle]

fair enough

[fiery lotus]

So it's still helpful in the initial blocking out, which is the time consuming part.

[finite grove]

does each player have their own individual dimensional depot storage?

[wicked nacelle]

my two most used are 5x5 foundation and a hypertube cannon. the only common factory one I have is a 4 refinery setup for pure copper/iron/cat

[wicked nacelle]

no

[finite grove]

i see

[wicked nacelle]

which is super cool early game multiplayer -- you can upload stuff for someone else... so if one person is in base and another exploring or somethign

[fiery lotus]

I decided not to make hypertube cannons in an attempt to keep my perfect workplace accident record

[lost wagon]

what color can you set the building hologram so it's actually allows me to see the sides of a foundation when I am building it, because asphalt has only one or two sides that are black and not all 4 of them

[wicked nacelle]

0 days since -- every day 🙂

[burnt ferry]

with the limited size, the interwsting thing is means to upload.. both players can upload in parallel, when input is doubled both can take mats from the depot as if they were alone

i havent done it for any material yet in the savegame with my bud

[wicked nacelle]

of course you can also take all of something right before the other person wants to use it, too... so double edged sword a little bit

[fiery lotus]

Multiplayer seems a little chaotic

[burnt ferry]

ye especially when refactoring.. permanently buildng and rebuilding

drags all the mats from the depot into your inventory

[violet needle]

#screenshots

and it still looks mid

[wicked nacelle]

it really is super fun -- especially because things progress so much faster

and if you have one person that likes exploring and one person that likes building, it's fantastic because you dont' have to do "the boring one"

[burnt ferry]

not on my schedule.. i have a strict regiment.. everybody is required to follow me along and listen to my knowledge

[finite grove]

can i have 1 stack of an infinite number of items in the dimensional depot?

[burnt ferry]

you setup uploaders for each material basically

[wicked nacelle]

there aren't an infinite number of different item types -- but yes, up to 5 stacks of every item type

[burnt ferry]

such that everything gets immediately refilled after taking from the depot

so yes and no

[finite grove]

of every?? hell yeah

[burnt ferry]

it is effectively infinite, but you have to have the production and the uploader for it running

[wicked nacelle]

yes, every item type has a slot for stacks and the number of stacks is upgradeable in mam

[burnt ferry]

yes thats the good thing... the beryl nuts are not blocking space for the quickwire

[wicked nacelle]

and if you make multiple uploaders then it will multiply the rate that they upload (in addition to mam upgrade for upload rate) -- handy for things like concrete where you can burn through it really quick

[finite grove]

ooh i see

[feral geyser]

And if the 240/min max rate is too slow, remember it's that rate per uploader so just make more uploaders on that item.

[burnt ferry]

ye i have like 3 concrete uploaders

[feral geyser]

Very handy to have multiple concrete/beam/plate uploaders

Motors too, for big refinery builds

[wicked nacelle]

not sure i've ever made multiple beam uploaders. motors do have a surprisingly low stack size for being a mid-game item

[burnt ferry]

motors are very complex

[feral geyser]

Is it just me, or has anyone else blueprinted a programmable splitter that sorts out all the unsinkable items?

[wicked nacelle]

i don't generally try to sink unsinkable items so its' never been a problem I've needed to solve. but if you were doing a mall or something I could see it

[burnt ferry]

i just go to a different sink 😂

[wicked nacelle]

or if you had a "recycling bin" that you just dropped stuff off at from inventory I guess

[fiery lotus]

Unfortunately knowing my friends they would be bad at both (I still love them)

[feral geyser]

I just like to dump by inventory after big builds, so I just dump all and let the splitter deal with it

[wicked nacelle]

I see. I just trash whatever I don't want but I'm super late game and inventory stuff gets me essentially 0.0% of a coupon

[feral geyser]

Yeah, exactly 😭 but what else are you gonna do with it

[burnt ferry]

by then everything low stacksized is in the depot

and the inventory bursts with plastic

[wicked nacelle]

a hot key for deleting the item you're hoverig in ytour inventory woudl be nice .

[burnt ferry]

depot and/or in deconstruction crates

[feral geyser]

Sounds wasteful 😒

[waxen locust]

Anyone know why when i set my game to vulkan. it forces dx11. I have 3070.

[fiery lotus]

If you hold ctrl and drag to trash it deletes all of the identical items

[burnt ferry]

whats unsinkable and is relevant except slops and spheres?

[feral geyser]

Shards, biomass, alien remains, etc. (Biomass is sinkable but I like to not)

[fiery lotus]

Oh hey slide jumping into the hypertube actually boosts you nice

[shy mulch]

Also having a conveyor belt to run along before the tube helps too

[burnt ferry]

so youre talking about a general drop off.. i just have a separate storage continer for everything

the biomass is a tower of 4 storage containers currently and i barely consume it... dna and slug conversation is like sitting at the christmas tree, i wanna celebrate it

[feral geyser]

Yeah, like, just come dump your inventory, sink what it can, handle what it can't, give you back your equipment and whatnot

[burnt ferry]

i sink on site

like ihave sinks everywhere and sink large excess mats at the construction site

at the main base i mostly only sink dna

[feral geyser]

Well yeah, but my point is, if I do need to sink my inventory, I have a blueprinted splitter that sorts out the stuff I want to keep/can't be sunk, and sinks the rest

[shy mulch]

Or just produce enough of all the building materials you're likely to need straight into depots then don't worry about excess stuff in your bag

[burnt ferry]

but why blueprint it? are you building it that often?

[feral geyser]

If your depot is full and you've dismantled stuff, you can't re-upload it and you have to sink it. Thats what i'm saying.

[burnt ferry]

i have a smart splitter setup for alien remains but havent blueprinted it

[feral geyser]

I'll build it wherever I need it

It has like, 30 or 40 filters total.

[shy mulch]

You don't need to upload it though, just destroy it, your depot will have all you need for the next things you're building

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah you really only need this one place for when you fill up dimenssional storage.

[feral geyser]

Wasteful 😒

[wicked nacelle]

Time is much more valuable

[feral geyser]

I've got all the time in the world.

[shy mulch]

No more wasteful than sinking it, unless you really need the coupons

[wicked nacelle]

Same with mats.

[feral geyser]

I mean, not that basic building materials are gonna help with coupons at this point, but it's the principle, okay? 😤😭🤣

[burnt ferry]

not in a game, here fun is more important

[wicked nacelle]

The war effort isn’t going to win itself. You know that’s a battleship you’re building in space that’s going to wipe out a planet’s population.

[feral geyser]

ADA told me not to waste, and she said im the best regional manager, so dammit, I'm gonna listen to her

[wicked nacelle]

Ada lies

[burnt ferry]

next to me

[wicked nacelle]

You know why ballistic warp drives look kinda like space based nukes? And why they pay so much for them? It’s not to save puppies and kittens.

[feral geyser]

I mean, nuclear propulsion is a thing in theory, without needing to be a weapon, but i see your point.

[wicked nacelle]

Biochemical sculptor is to rebuild the planet after nuking and ai expansion server controls the planet once it’s rebuilt.

It’s a galactic supremacy program clear as day 🙂

[feral geyser]

Now we're into #story-spoilers maybe lmao

[crisp edge]

@thick oak what would you say it is that you're building LMAO 🍆

[crisp edge]

#screenshots message

[vapid pewter]

when they drop it for consloe is gona be cross?

[somber monolith]

Is it worth having 44k mw before nuclear energy or should I make a smaller power plant

[naive scroll]

finally done with my coal powerplant... 3.5k megawats facility!!!

[cobalt plinth]

Yes

That's annoying

[reef basin]

*gigawatts 🙂

[naive scroll]

took a while to do the math on coal... but damn if i had smart splitters it would of been easier

[cobalt plinth]

Have they made it better, or is it still the same shit

[naive scroll]

have enough for a back to the future trip hehe

[reef basin]

same as above, "kMW" is not a thing, use "GW" 🙂

[feral geyser]

They only need to fuel at one end

[naive scroll]

3.5 GW lets gooo

[clever merlin]

can trucks or tractors haul liquids or just items

[naive scroll]

tomorrow i will finish phase 2.... then it will be a whole new headache amiright???

[silk ocean]

Yep if you package them

[feral geyser]

Although, it would make sense, why don't we have a liquid tanker Truck?

[clever merlin]

that a good question

[cobalt plinth]

yeah it's the same thing. You have to build a drone platform to refuel, at every end. So youi end up haveing a ridciulous amount of platforms. When you have multiple different areas, it gets really annoying.

[somber monolith]

Is it worth having 44 thousand GW tho or should I not bother making smth that big

[cobalt plinth]

It's just fun to have that much power

[peak wasp]

morning, pioneers

[feral geyser]

Do your drones all fly things back to one central location, or are they going all different directions from different home ports?

[clever merlin]

im only running about 3.5k right now

[somber monolith]

Is it even worth making the 177 fuel generators cause that’ll take all my recources and space

[fluid sapphire]

arent you producing more of those resources at a constant rate?

[somber monolith]

Yes but it’s all in small amounts it would take forever to make enough

[burnt ferry]

you dont have to build all 177

start with 16

[somber monolith]

If u mean over clocking I don’t have that much

[burnt ferry]

no

i mean just dont build all of them at once

just biuld like 16 (for example)

[somber monolith]

But ima build the whole system at once

[fluid sapphire]

its definitely worth it though

[feral geyser]

Go to the spire coast and canyons on the north side with a jetpack and some good fuel, you'll find tons of slugs

[burnt ferry]

and then if you need more expand

[somber monolith]

I can send a ss of the plan

[somber monolith]

I’m building the plant there

[burnt ferry]

no you dont 😂 you place each and every part one by one, so you can decide to stop earlier 😂

[feral geyser]

Oh then you're halfway done, just go looking around

[somber monolith]

Then the math won’t work as it’s all from one node

[burnt ferry]

if you could build it at once you wouldnt be bothering either, so.. 😂

[cobalt plinth]

The last game you have to do different locations based on where you are picking up materials, drones can only fly back to their home, not to different platforms. So you have to have a refueling platform at each location, I had a central location where all the refueling drones picked up their fuel, then drop off at the refueling platform to feed the drone flying. It would be nice, if you can just have two drones with the ability to fly to refuel, from one central drone playform to the rest, but you can't. It's annoying

[burnt ferry]

so your refineries dont produce all the time.. and the issue with that is..... what?

[naive hollow]

What is the website for the calculator

[burnt ferry]

you can demand drones to fly to a station from any station

[somber monolith]

The pipes will dry up?

[burnt ferry]

yes like my lungs after the bong ima hit now

[feral geyser]

Yes, so loosely speaking, right now you have two "sets" of drones, resource carriers and fuel carriers, correct?

[cobalt plinth]

Yes

[burnt ferry]

you dont need fuel carriers at all.. you just have to have ONE station within your drones schedule that has fuel

[feral geyser]

Do all the resource carriers have a central location they deliver to?

[burnt ferry]

and that station can just be close to a fuel source... also mind you can feed raw material to any fuel consuming vehicle... might be enough for short ttracks

[feral geyser]

Drones can only go to between their home port and one other port, they dont have a "schedule" like trains.

[cobalt plinth]

Yes that's the annoying part

[wicked nacelle]

oop, you just said this but.....: every drone has a home port and flies from its home port to exactly one other port and then directly back. A drone port can have exactly zero or one drones that have it as their home port. It's common to have one drone port as a "fuel supply port" and not assign a drone to it.

[cobalt plinth]

So I have to have a drone platform for each drone that delivers the fuel to a different drone platform depending on where the materials are. It's really stupid

[wicked nacelle]

it's actually not and having them go somewhere else to grab fuel would drastically cut their throughput

[feral geyser]

Bro listen

[burnt ferry]

still only one of it needs fuel.. i wouldnt bother transporting it there with other drones

[feral geyser]

Im trying to help you solve your problem

But I asked a question.

[feral geyser]

Do all the resource carriers have a central location they deliver to?

[wicked nacelle]

usually you have a few drones at a site (often the dropoff) and so you're just dedicating 1 out of like 4-5 ports to getting fuel. Also fuel drones don't fly very often so they aren't drinking a ton of fuel

[cobalt plinth]

It's not about how much fuel they are using.

okay let me explain my issue better here

[somber monolith]

Is regular or caterium computers better

[burnt ferry]

the isssue pretty clearly is over engineering 😂 theres no doubt about that

[somber monolith]

What’s a good amount of computers per minute for entering teir 7

[burnt ferry]

1

[hard ivy]

0

[feral geyser]

1000

(Kidding)

[somber monolith]

Obv

[feral geyser]

Unless... 👉 👈 🥺

[somber monolith]

It would take me a whole year to make that much

[fluid sapphire]

im planning to make 30

[burnt ferry]

or go computer less

make super computers from radio transmitter and cooling devices

[feral geyser]

Thats what I do

[burnt ferry]

yuou can make the radio tings computerless as well, can you? im not recalling 100%

[feral geyser]

But I also can do them with every recipe cuz I make everything now.

[hard ivy]

ah, yes, the horribly expensive recipe 💀

[feral geyser]

Yes

I wanted a challenge, and it has been one

[burnt ferry]

is it? i was just intrigued by the two component setup

[fluid sapphire]

you still need computers for adaptive control units though, and a bunch of buildables

[burnt ferry]

and the fact that both is backing up currently in my fac

[feral geyser]

Blenders, for one

[somber monolith]

Is there a way to get the plastic price down for computers 600 for 7.5 a min is crazy

[fluid sapphire]

and signals

[feral geyser]

If you have an excess of both parts, by all means, make some

[hard ivy]

like 3x more bauxite than super-state

[burnt ferry]

yes but the control unit is only limited times for phases and the buildables are good by that 1 computer/min we stated earlier

[fluid sapphire]

caterium computer takes 180 rubber for 30 computers

[somber monolith]

Should I do caterium circuit board then?

[burnt ferry]

ye that for sure

and fused quickwire

[hard ivy]

cat CB + cat comp is really easy

[feral geyser]

Silica circuit board is nice too

[cursive totem]

ok what am i doing wrong here the blueprint designed doenst save anything

i keep setting a folder and clicking save, and it says it saved but then its just not there

[cobalt plinth]

Drone Setup Explanation

➡️ Drone Platform 1 – Collects fuel from any source
➡️ Goes to Drone Platform 2 – Drops off fuel (same drone)
➡️ Drone Platform 3 – Receives fuel from Platform 2 so the material drone can refuel, fly out for materials, return, and repeat the loop

This turns into a really annoying cycle.
If you’ve got materials spread everywhere, you need:

one platform just for fuel loading

another just for fuel receiving

…which means you end up with tons of drones flying around, cluttering everything up.

I don’t get why they couldn’t just allow two drones on the same platform.
👉 One could bring the fuel and auto-refuel at home.
👉 The other could handle material deliveries.

Instead, the current setup forces you into a backwards, over-complicated mess.

[naive scroll]

so drones are bad?

[burnt ferry]

drone setup:

drone platform

gets coal from closest coal node

done

[cobalt plinth]

YOu NEED to refuel the drone.

[feral geyser]

Where is the fuel source in relation to the material pickup and drop-off sites?

[burnt ferry]

?

c-o-a-l

[hard ivy]

you can't put coal in a drone...

[cobalt plinth]

Dude

[somber monolith]

I can set up 38.53 computers per minute but do I really need that much?

[feral geyser]

They dont run on coal

[burnt ferry]

i dont care im using batteries for mine and no drone is carrying them at all 😂

[cobalt plinth]

The fuel source is a central location where all the fuel comes in. I don't understand why you are asking that, I made it clear in what I said

[fluid sapphire]

i do silicon circuit board

[feral geyser]

If the fuel source is close to either end of the material ports, you just send it to the closer one. It doesn't have to fuel at both ends.

[burnt ferry]

youre wasting a lot of fuel on fuel transport thats why its a bit odd

[feral geyser]

So like @burnt ferry said, you have one fuel port per 4-6 resource drones at each delivery hub

[burnt ferry]

this

[cobalt plinth]

It's not bro

YOu have to fuel the material drone

[burnt ferry]

the man in the middle is unecessary

[feral geyser]

I know that, but it only has to be fueled from one end of its flight path.

[burnt ferry]

youre not really getting it? drones dont need to be fueled at EVERY port

[peak wasp]

is tool s not working?

[feral geyser]

So you send the fuel to the one where all the drones gather at, and they refuel there.

[hard ivy]

works fine for me

[cobalt plinth]

Yes I know that... You still have to pick up the materials. That are no where near the fuel. How do you suppose that drone gets fuel?

[burnt ferry]

if using belts only fuel transport is for free here

[peak wasp]

yup had to change it to ficmasd

[feral geyser]

It gets fuel at the end where all the drones return to, cuz that's where you are sending the fuel.

[hard ivy]

it works fine for me in regular 1.0 too

[burnt ferry]

are YOU the drone maybe? 🥸

[unkempt blade]

ficsmas is just better than not-ficsmas so this was a good decision anyway

[somber monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1408910000386084925/IMG_2953.jpg?ex=68ab7530&is=68aa23b0&hm=53e8284185fdbc323e72dac50abd2661321d8682711c75ec7e45e65167f2f6fb& is this best computer layout?

[feral geyser]

Send the fuel to the most central location possible so it can serve as many drones as possible.

[cobalt plinth]

Right... but if I have a material;s that are on the other side of the map,. I am not going to put an insanely long conveyor to deliver it. SO, you hvae do the stup I just said

[unkempt blade]

Obviously you attach a truck stop to the hub and send factory carts with fuel in them. Is there anything factory carts aren't best at?

[cobalt plinth]

I am not going to make fuel setups ALL over the palce. That's insane

[burnt ferry]

i dont have to do anything

[cobalt plinth]

The last game, I did a train

But it's still fucking stupid

[feral geyser]

If they go afar to collect materials, then fuel them at the factory where they drop off materials.

[burnt ferry]

the drones have to deliver the buildings first

[cobalt plinth]

No shit sherlock, but I am not going to put a fuel supply everywhere a drone is

[burnt ferry]

and the game itself

[feral geyser]

Im not saying that

[burnt ferry]

thats exactly what were recommending AGAINST 😂

[feral geyser]

You have drones going out afar and collecting materials to bring them back to factory, yes?

[unkempt blade]

Why not? Seems like a good option

[reef basin]

well 44 GW is 44000 MW

44 thousand GW is too much 🙂

that's 44 TW

[feral geyser]

Then place a single refueling station at that factory feeding all the drones that land at that factory.

[somber monolith]

Then 44GW

[unkempt blade]

he rejected factory carts so now I'm suggesting it as the second best choice

[reef basin]

and make as much power as you need to power your factory 🙂

[somber monolith]

Idk how much I’ll need I’ve never went past phase 2

[burnt ferry]

he could use the coffee cop and doggo

[reef basin]

make how much you need now plus some extra

you never know what you need in the future, don't bother with future. You can always build more in the future

[cobalt plinth]

Not doing that, when you have an insane amount of setup and materials, esepcially for the end game stuff, which begins with Nuclear Power. The amount of materials you need is insane, so the drone setup is the best, but the way it's done is stupid. Batteries are a pain setup, and the most basic, is packaged fuel, but you still need oil near it. So it's like, stupid. Just let two drones go to the same platform, but not the way it works.

[unkempt blade]

those are both nearly as adorable as factory carts so I think that's a really great idea

[somber monolith]

Better to future proof then have to spend 5 hrs reworking my power plant

[reef basin]

you can't future proof if you don't know the future

and I'm not saying "reworking", I'm saying "add more"

[burnt ferry]

whats the name of that phenomenon where a person assumes to see a highly complex problem when its just a lack of experience and the problems rather trivial?

[unkempt blade]

so since there are lots of ways to move stuff and you clearly don't like the dependency on fuel that drones have why not use a different logistics choice?

[somber monolith]

Ig but 44MW is from one node so idk if it’s worth optimising it that much

[naive scroll]

ai helped me optimise my coal factory yayyy

[somber monolith]

Cause there’s another node right next to it

[cobalt plinth]

The last game I did, i started to have a train just drop off fuel to a central Storage Bin and whatever drones needed fuel, I split it out that way.

[reef basin]

don't use AI... like... don't

[cobalt plinth]

It was just easier

[naive scroll]

why not?

[reef basin]

because it spews nonsense most of the time

[naive scroll]

that is because you dont know how to use it

[pastel notch]

you know you built a tall structure when reaching the top at max burn takes 5 tanks of packaged Ionized fuel....

[somber monolith]

Is this a good computer setup to get me into phase 3? #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

yeah but so do like 80% of my coworkers 🙁

[reef basin]

I know how to use it. I know how it works internally. I know A LOT of things about AI. And I know enough to not trust it with anything as specific as optimising a game problem

[cobalt plinth]

So instead of having a stupid amount of drone platforms, I just had a dedicated train ride around to the various platforms and drop off that way, it was a lot better then haveing 10,000 platforms.

[hard ivy]

because it produces output that looks correct at first glance, and not necessarily actually is

[unkempt blade]

and with all that power you saved you could add dozens of unnecessary trains which is a great secondary benefit when you see them zooming around

[cobalt plinth]

I love trains too so.. lol

[reef basin]

and for remaining cases it's better to use other sources that are specifically designed for the game rather than a word generator

[naive scroll]

it actually does solve problems and i didn't come here to debate about it really -- soz it does not work for you;

[pastel notch]

LLMs have their uses... and their limitations.

[white dawn]

Use 1: boil the oceans

[somber monolith]

Is this a good computer setup to get me into phase 3? #screenshots message

[shy mulch]

Dunning Kruger

[unkempt blade]

yeah but chatgpt told me that only using 1/3 of the water my coal gens need was a great idea and that I'm a hero for using the earth's resources so carefully

[feral geyser]

The idea is this:
Let's say your factory has a swarm of 6 drones that go afar, collect resources, and bring them back. They each need a port at their respective extraction site, and a place to land at the factory (which they could share). They will all need fuel, so you can fuel them at the factory end, since they all meet up there.

Now you need to get fuel to the factory hub, so you place a drone port there that receives fuel from your main fuel factory. That drone can fill itself up at the fuel station, and deliver fuel to the factory, which will refuel your swarm.

If the drones are home based at their extraction site, you will need to fuel them to Kickstart the process, but once they land at the factory (which is being supplied with fuel), they can refuel and keep going.

[burnt ferry]

chatgpt told my daughter that 3 plus 4 does not equal 7. it claims the right answer to this problem was 7

[prime jasper]

Guys i think my train station might be bugged

[burnt ferry]

calling it out it assured me that i was right

[naive scroll]

you don't even know what i used and how i used it that half the chat leaps on me for saying it actually works if you know how to use it; but it's ok, i'll go because i have 0 desire to talk about that subject

[burnt ferry]

🤷‍♀️

[reef basin]

it's not relevant anyway - no matter what AI you used, you should use specifically designed tools for SF instead

[burnt ferry]

first and foremost: its not AI.. it does not internalize things, neither has it any concept of anything

[hard ivy]

yeah, it's spicy autocomplete/autocorrect

[reef basin]

"it works if you know how you use it" is basically "it randomly outputted semi-correct thing one time and now I think it's great and always correct"

[unkempt blade]

What did it tell you about using factory carts? If it didn't say to use as many as possible then we know it's not to be trusted

[naive scroll]

😊 see you folks later

[burnt ferry]

its what john searle and others brought up as a counter argument on why there never willl be true AI.. by implementing a non AI

[pastel notch]

the combination of green belts with 100 luminosity in the red forest looks great from above....
#screenshots message

[burnt ferry]

its like a proof for the existence of god.. nonsense

[mortal ginkgo]

I think what people are trying to say is that, AI is not "Intelligent" enough to help you in most cases as it searchers through web to get a possible answer, which might be wrong from reddit etc.

Since AIs are designed to make you feel better, it may give some out of wack reasons to why it would work as well etc.

In the end, ask doggo.

[burnt ferry]

its not not intelligent enough.. its ont intelligent at all.. and reddit is in fact a good shot... as theres where a lot of public discussions that can be trained with

[mortal ginkgo]

oh no, the boy is gone D:

[unkempt blade]

I feel much more comfortable asking discord for advice. We're much more trustworthy and knowledgable, right?

[burnt ferry]

its the same really

same confidence to talk bullshit 😂

[mortal ginkgo]

you had me at first half not gonnal lie, until you said "reddit is a good place".

like, wow, you ALMOST had me.

like, I thought you had it going.

[unkempt blade]

still need to treat the information critically, same for a search engine or whatever too

[mortal ginkgo]

But in the end, I was FOOLISH to trust you brotherman.

[burnt ferry]

i said its a good shot 😂

[mortal ginkgo]

You F O O L

[unkempt blade]

except for me, you can trust me when I say that factory carts are the onyl vehicle you'll ever need to use and they'll solve all of your pipe and train related problems

[mortal ginkgo]

Discord has its goofy people too. Like summoning some people by saying "Cast Screws is good for early game etc"

[burnt ferry]

highly critical..it will tell you that you are right and apologize with the exact same level of confidence it talked nonsense before.... its pretty much like public discourse works currently

[unkempt blade]

did you suggest SCREWS? rabble rabble rabble rabble! 🤣

[cobalt plinth]

ChatGPT Ai is pretty insane, when you know how to use it. It's cut my scripting in 3/4. For I.T. so instead of sitting there typing every single command by hand, just say "please do this, with this, so this happens, at this time, when I want this, thanks."

[burnt ferry]

cyber truck ftw

[cobalt plinth]

It makes mistakes, but you just got to work with it

[hard ivy]

like an unpaid intern 🤣

[cobalt plinth]

Developers working at this company for 20 years, all use it. Instead of taking 5 hours to find their mistake in their code, copy paste. Just makes it easier.

[burnt ferry]

it cant do much beyond the public examples.. challenge it to rebuild sftools.. it will fail

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, AI is just an advertisement buzzword. "Artificial Intelligence" is just wrong and simplified title for the technology.

"Intelligent" is just completely wrong to begin with.

Still, I am glad to live in a timeline where some people think they are artists because they use "AI Art". I kek in a daily basis.

[unkempt blade]

just skip the peer review step to make sure you actually get time saved, AI is all knowing and infallible so go with it

[cobalt plinth]

It's also learns you, which is super creepy, but cool. Ask it to tell you your "Trust Vector" and breakdown everything it's learned about you. Especially if you hav used it a lot.

[hard ivy]

I think you can make actual art with AI. just 99% of people who think they're making art just make slop

[mortal ginkgo]

I smiled. I didn't laugh, but I smiled. Good one. You just need to work on it abit. See you later.

[cobalt plinth]

A.I. art is so fucking creepy, can't get the hands or eyes right... yet.

[hard ivy]

oh, it can. you just have to put in some effort to tune it

[silk ocean]

Midjourney is good with hands now

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, it does not have understanding of concepts. It only throws stuff and hope it sticks. Like the elephants they train for pictures etc.

I still love how there is almost no progress on lightning side of it all.

[azure ermine]

yeah not hard to spot the AI human figures with 6 fingers or an extra foot attached at the knee. One might think AI could access info about human anatomy

[mortal ginkgo]

It reads art, it will never understand a hand is a hand unless doing millions of checks and still can fail.

Thats why if you tell an AI to "draw a train with legs", it will still put rails beneath. Because it can't understand that a train with legs don't need rail system.

This will never be fixed.

[unkempt blade]

this is true art, no computer could duplicate my obvious talent and vision https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1279851984278519949

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. This is him. Get'im.

[azure ermine]

I just want to ride in the Catbus from My Neighbor Totoro 🙂

[hard ivy]

those kinds of mistakes are basically exclusive to noobs using 3yo models lol

[unkempt blade]

yeah or a mid tier deepseek model running on a 2080 in my basement!

[hard ivy]

deepseek does image gen?

[unkempt blade]

that's how I generate all my best architectural marvels in this game

[cobalt plinth]

After 1000 hours are you all going to judge me, if I use the Satisfactory Calculator to unlock all the alternative recipes?

[hard ivy]

you can also use AGS

[unkempt blade]

the game is supposed to be fun, play it how you have fun and don't worry about internet opinions

[cobalt plinth]

AGS?

[hard ivy]

advanced game settings

[mortal ginkgo]

use AGS, better and safer. Advanced Game Settings

[cobalt plinth]

oh shit, I forgot to do that on a new Dedicated server save. Oh well lol

[hard ivy]

you can still enable them mid-game

[cobalt plinth]

Even on a Dedicated?

[finite grove]

Is it concerning that I'm like 30 hours into the game and haven't gotten phase 2 yet?

[cobalt plinth]

Go at your own pace my d00d

[unkempt blade]

Are you having fun? If so don't worry about time

[mortal ginkgo]

there is no timelimit, if its fun, continue

[finite grove]

Mhm. I'm essentially preparing everything available to me at this phase before moving on

[unkempt blade]

but also go faster! trains are waiting for you in T6!

[finite grove]

Oo that sounds fun. Too bad i haven't even setup a truck network yet XD. I should get to making my mother factory ig

[clever merlin]

Yea dont want to know my thougha bout trains right now lol

[cobalt plinth]

oo i like these AGS settings

[azure ermine]

I finally stopped putting it off and set up fuel power. Watching the machines slowly build up so they are all fully firing...just like coal power had to sort of warm up until it was humming

[cobalt plinth]

For some reason, Fuel power is my favorite setup in the entire game.

[hard ivy]

you must love RF then

[finite grove]

Oh btw how powerful are nuke nobelisks?

[azure ermine]

I realized while I had the diluted fuel and heavy oil residue recipes, that cycle required blenders and I need to do aluminum to unlock them

or packaged water. Which produces packaged fuel, but then would need to be unpackaged to flow into the generators

[cobalt plinth]

Fun, and make it easy to clear the red forest

[azure ermine]

I think the blenders allow you to skip the packaging and unpackaging part

[hard ivy]

and are very slightly more power efficient

[clever merlin]

so do you not setup certin trains to go to certin locations ?

[prime jasper]

I have a blueprint that shows up in my blue print maker but not in my building menu. Has this happenedto any of you before?

[azure ermine]

did you save it to a weird directory somehow?

or overwrite something else

[white dawn]

With the Packaged version (which only requires refineries), you can fit a "closed" 2x Packager + 1x Refinery loop inside the smallest 4x4 blueprint, and even include the Empty Packages inside the machines' input buffer. That way placing down the blueprint essentially becomes a mini-blender (60/min output instead of the Blender's 100/min, at 100% clocking)

[clever merlin]

how to i make a sepect train go to a spect stop or is it just general that it sends watever train is next to beable to set out

[white dawn]

Trains go to exactly the stations you tell them to go to, and will take the shortest path to get there

Satisfactory trains do not do any dynamic pathing; they just go exactly where they're told, using the shortest rails to get there

[clever merlin]

oh so each tab is a diffent train

[hard ivy]

trains only drive according to their timetable

[gilded goblet]

I have everything for every tier of belt automated, with the exception of T6 because I haven't unlocked them yet. my question is - Should I use belts that match the flow rate of the item, so if it's like 40 items per minute going, I use Mk1 belts, 660 I use mk5, or should I just say fuck it and mk5 everything since I have it automated at like 240/minute

[prime jasper]

I wrote it in "valorisation" in the subclass "biomass". It shows under the correct path in the blueprint editor but not at all when open the building menu

[fiery lotus]

Oh you can hold to throw nobelisks farther, that would have been useful earlier

[clever merlin]

ok i was looking at it right i just didnt relize it

[prime jasper]

"biomass" sub-file doesn't appear at all in the build menu btw

i amrestarting my game to see if it helps

[hard ivy]

doesn't matter. I use the fastest belts for everything

[gilded goblet]

alright, just wondering what other peoples standpoints on that were, because I had someone say that I shouldn't waste the resources for mk3/4/5 belts because I dont need more than 10 items/minute

[unkempt blade]

I like to see all my belts full-ish so I usually pick a rank with that in mind but if you're loaded with alclad sheets you could just spam mk5

[gilded goblet]

He GRILLED me for using mk4 belts for my 5 motors/min production

[gilded goblet]

bet

[hard ivy]

nah, nodes don't run out so once you have something automated, there's no reason to conserve it

[gilded goblet]

how much alclad sheets does one assem make like 30 isn't it?

yea 30 sheets a minute

so I have 90 sheets/minute going

and 3 industrial storages as a buffer, so I'm good lmao

[hard ivy]

plus belts only use 2/m, so at 90/min you can run 45m/min of belts

[gilded goblet]

Yea

is there a way in satisfactory modeler that I can estimate power usage of a factory?

[violet needle]

ugh
trying to sort 1400 hor into 3 groups is giving me an aneurysm

[hard ivy]

it says what it is when you press the book button in the bottom left iirc

[gilded goblet]

The average used and max used yea?

Whats Average Net power because if thats how much it takes than I'm royally fucked

[violet needle]

average net is what itll usually use
you should look at theoretical max tbh

[hard ivy]

"net" is power produced minus power used

[gilded goblet]

ah

Does this calculate everything in the outpost or everything in the entire model

because I have this factory outposted from the rest

[hard ivy]

no clue tbh

[gilded goblet]

ah

[hard ivy]

see if it changes when you exit the outpost

[gilded goblet]

It does do everything

Cuz my nuclear pasta was 12.5 per minute and my average used was 80k now it's 20k

is 3 supercomputers/minute enough

[hard ivy]

for personal use, prolly fine

[gilded goblet]

i see

[hard ivy]

I'm making 14.4 but I'm insane

[gilded goblet]

Cuz I could add OC supercomputer then have 3 producing a minute, it only does a little bit more per minute resource wise

and if I wanted to I could do 10 per minute and it'll just use more resoueces

[hard ivy]

OC supercomp is expensive AF

[gilded goblet]

yes but, i'm already making RCU's and cooling systems on site

[hard ivy]

for 3/min it's whatever but I wouldn't make more than that with it

[gilded goblet]

I'd have 10 turbo motors 10 Cooling systems 10 SC's and 10 RCU's on one site

then i'd have it all pumping into a industrial storage and depo for all 4 and have infinite of all of them

[cosmic cypress]

Quick question: is it possible to ban people in the local game?

[violet needle]

AAA

i am 1.875 pipe throughpurt short

FUCK

[reef basin]

build more pipes 🙂

[violet needle]

i have a manifold

[reef basin]

build more manifolds

[violet needle]

that need 601.875

augh

[reef basin]

split it into two manifolds

[shy mulch]

Had similar issue. I just set up a thing that needed 1290 copper ingots 🤮

[violet needle]

1290 is rookie numbers

i need 4k raw ore by itself :>>>

300 refineries will be fun fun fun!

[shy mulch]

For this particular function.... Obviously I use more than that if we're talking about entire world 🤦

[violet needle]

im also talking for a particular function

aka nuclear pasta

[shy mulch]

Then it makes no sense to compare. The particular factory I had this issue with was not producing nuclear pasta or anything on that scale, other parts of my world are 🤷

[verbal yoke]

so I know that satisfactory tools offers a way to find the maximum amount of a product you are able to make from a specific amount of input, but is there a way to find the minimum?

[shy mulch]

The minimum amount of something you can produce is 0

[violet needle]

minimum is kinda useless?

[gilded goblet]

@hard ivy this is going to be fucking gigantic

[verbal yoke]

I have an input of PCCs and I want to make as little encased plutonium cells as I can per uranium waste, to maximise the amount of uranium waste (& therefore power) I am able to make to match the PCC input

[violet needle]

pcc what was pcc

[verbal yoke]

pressure conversion cube

[violet needle]

ooo right

uh wait

as little plut cells to maximise u waste

uhhh that sounds weird

sorry i dont quite understand what you mean

[hard ivy]

for the uranium waste -> plutonium rod chain, default recipes are less waste efficient than the alts

[violet needle]

like you want as little plut rods for your u waste?

[verbal yoke]

ty

[hollow vector]

can we "give a pioneer the option" to do that instead

we can "modularly insert a pioneer into the very fun waterslide"

with "two yes or yes options"

[violet needle]

my mind is twisting into itself trying to figure out those refineries

[hollow vector]

download more ram.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183166715689967756/1299043365198757918/togif-237.gif

[violet needle]

20 blenders just for fuel ugh

and like 50 more refineries

like what is this shit #math-and-meta

coal pp :>
wait whole game on 4gw?!

WHAT

how many augmenters did you build

[noble topaz]

I feel like that's lore or less painful

How long did you spend crafting manually?

[topaz shale]

I find it funny that the main thing I'm building my first rail network for is just to have a train cart me around as well as transfer power to far away factories that will be built in the future.

Hypertube cannons are fun but I do enjoy a nice train ride.

[exotic frigate]

Im obsessed with conveyor ceiling mounts

[topaz shale]

I have not used a single power augmenter even though I have like 15gw in fluid power.

[topaz shale]

They are amazing.

[white dawn]

They're good but IMO not game-changing

[exotic frigate]

Ceiling mounts plus floor holes, conveyor walls, and conveyor lifts? My factories have never been cleaner

[white dawn]

Some extra power at the expense of sloops that could be used for production instead

The main benefits of APAs, IMO, are:

1. Trivial crash pod opening for any of the ones requiring power
2. That sick animation once you start feeding 'em APMs.
   :D

[topaz shale]

Using those for opening the pods needing power is nice if I don't have any biofuel on me. I probably won't use one until I don't feel like setting up more power the usual way.

[peak wasp]

I wonder when next steam sale is, I wanna gift it to some folks

[wicked nacelle]

Google usually knows when next big sale is likely to be

[peak wasp]

I meant just for satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

its on sale on humblebundle right now

[wicked nacelle]

$28. What is it normally?

[fluid sapphire]

i think thats as cheap as it gets nowadays

[white dawn]

CSS seems to participate in all the main Steam sales throughout the year; you can check steamdb (https://steamdb.info/app/526870/) for the historical pricing info. And yeah, Steam announces their sale schedule well in advance. I believe we already know the first half of the 2026 sales, for instance.

[wicked nacelle]

Oh $40

[peak wasp]

can I use steam balance for that?

[white dawn]

Humble Bundle is not Steam, so no. :)

[peak wasp]

thanks for this

[split pewter]

fastest way of transport for gases is packaging, correct?

[wicked nacelle]

It’s 4x compression for nitrogen and 2x for everything else

[fluid sapphire]

long pipe heheh

[wicked nacelle]

Liquids are even for transport considering the return of empties

[split pewter]

mk5 = 700, mk2 pipe = 600

[fluid sapphire]

auto connect makes building massive pipe stacks very easy

[peak wasp]

spaghett pipe

[wicked nacelle]

except for running out of sheets 😛

[split pewter]

but then again you'd have to run it back to the beginning in order to reuse

[split pewter]

dd

[fluid sapphire]

not enough ISCs as buffer, different problem entirely

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah, it's really easy to run that dry fast

[fluid sapphire]

40 containers, 8 uploaders, problem solved

[wicked nacelle]

sure. 8 uploaders will be great.

[fluid sapphire]

sheets were not uploading fast enough when i was building my generators with blueprints

went from 6 to 8 uploaders

[wicked nacelle]

rubber would be most people's problems

[fluid sapphire]

im not like the other pioneers

[cosmic cypress]

Quick question: is it possible to ban people in the local game?

[wicked nacelle]

just don't invite them or give them the key or password? but like.. if your friend is giving some jerk the login then you'd have to do the "only people I steam invite to game" option I guess.. or get better friends

and make sure to keep named saves

when I ran a dedicated server I'd upload named saves to google drive that people could grab if they wanted to SCIM the map

had one guy grief it overnight and just reset from the night's backup

[cosmic cypress]

"I have a person on the server who says they banned their friend, and now they can’t play together anymore.

I somehow don’t believe him that this option exists.

[ivory condor]

Well they are banned, this is normal

[wicked nacelle]

'never heard of this. but regardless servers aren't saves. You can always just run another server with the same save

[clever merlin]

fracting core node?

[cosmic cypress]

I also believe that this option doesn’t exist, but he is convinced that he did it.

[wicked nacelle]

maybe eh blocked someone in epic/steam friends list? But I'm just guessing

[cosmic cypress]

We already checked that, we’re also friends on Steam.

[ivory condor]

New experimental feature

[cosmic cypress]

Here’s his explanation. I hope it doesn’t get lost in translation: I had created the world and let’s say I blocked Paul. Then I sent the save files to Peter because I was on vacation, and everything worked fine. Now I’m back and I can only join if Paul is not on the server, and vice versa. But others can join and leave without any problems

[peak wasp]

are drones more efficient then rail?

[silk ocean]

Wouldn't say so

[cosmic cypress]

I think he messed around with some option, or one of his friends did.

[peak wasp]

I feel like next save I need to start clean, and just upgrade without ever rebuilding, just upgrading/adding

[clever merlin]

I feel like the fracting is so annoying lol

i cant seem to get my train to dock

[wicked nacelle]

train station facing wrong way. the curved top is facing forwards

[fiery lotus]

I love the environmental storytelling in this game

[wicked nacelle]

must match forward for the train that is trying to dock to it

[wicked nacelle]

like what?

[fiery lotus]

Like the weird rock arches that are easy to just pass over as some kind of weird natural formation

Then you find some in the jungle with exposed rebar

And finally all the power slugs hugging them make sense

They're literally hugging lightning rods

[violet needle]

this is gonna be a TALL factory holy shi

or should i not go vertical above refineries

[lost wagon]

is any of the elevator parts alternate recipes actually better?

[fiery lotus]

The primary reasons factories don't get super tall irl is energy to lift material, safety, and structural weight limits

Luckily with Ficsit we have none of these problems!

[gilded goblet]

Drone throughput is calculated by the docking station yes?

[violet needle]

yea

[hard ivy]

I like automated speed wiring. less stuff to handcarry/grab from depot

[wicked nacelle]

sort of? what do you mean? It's based on fuel and distance and stack size and.. probably other things

[gilded goblet]

like, the max the drone can provide for the thing per minute and stuff

[wicked nacelle]

yeah it's based on all those things I said

[gilded goblet]

cuz i'm gonna need to drone in thousands of resources

[wicked nacelle]

don't

[hard ivy]

it's displayed on the home port of the drone iirc

[gilded goblet]

and train

[fiery lotus]

That sounds amusing

[hard ivy]

at that point just train stuff

[gilded goblet]

yea i'm gonna train the bigger stuff

[wicked nacelle]

i mean unless you're talking copper powder

[gilded goblet]

yea no

[hard ivy]

train everything lol

[fiery lotus]

Oh dang good recipe options on this drive, pure quartz & steel rotor

[gilded goblet]

I'm doing a factory for 10 turbo motors, 10 super computers, 10 RCU's and 10 cooling systems/minute

all in one factory

[wicked nacelle]

okay?

[gilded goblet]

33 manufacterers for high speed connecters 💔

[fiery lotus]

Manual depot uploader get, this will make exploring a lot less painful.

[clever merlin]

gonna have a nice scenic route for my nitrogent lol

i feel like i gone around so many mountains just to get there

[violet needle]

hey i did that too!

but different ratios

30 rcu, 3 turbo motor slooped to 6, 10 cooling 15 fmf

and like 6.5 sc's over at oil

[azure ermine]

is there any way to keep pipes from sloshing around so much? I'm producing enough oil for the refineries and enough fuel for the generators mathematically, but the ones furthest down the pipe keep starting and stopping.

[violet needle]

prefill them maybe?

[azure ermine]

does it just take a day for everything to even out? The power graph looks less...seismic than at first

turn it all off until the oil pipes are 100%?

[hard ivy]

if it doesn't work without it, it won't work with it

[azure ermine]

it's running, but on paper they should be exactly using everything from the previous step

[fiery lotus]

Today I learned you can shoot the rock projectiles out of the air

[split pewter]

best fuel for jetpacks is ionized fuel if you have tons to spare, correct?

[fluid sapphire]

you could try looping the inputs, like the left pipe i have here, there are two rows of inputs facing each other, the pipe coming in from the bottom supplies the water, pipes are connected at the very end, and at the beginning
#screenshots message

this system has no issues running whatsoever

[fiery lotus]

Ionized fuel might have more impulse? But liquid biofuel burns the longest

[split pewter]

ionized fuel lasts longer than rocket fuel iirc

and has the strength of rocket fuel(?)

[fiery lotus]

Ionized fuel is definitely better it's only worse for steadyish hovering

[split pewter]

yeah

[fiery lotus]

So for combat I guess

[split pewter]

i managed to hover with turbofuel so i might be prepared

height difference

big one

[fluid sapphire]

thats what the hoverpack is for

[fiery lotus]

If you're doing combat with the hoverpack then something has gone wrong though

[split pewter]

and if you dont wanna run power everywhere remember : you wont have to again if you run out of storage

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need to hover for combat

[fiery lotus]

But it's funny when they can't reach you

[fluid sapphire]

until they start throwing rocks at you

[fiery lotus]

Just shoot the rock

[peak wasp]

do any of you get lazy and feel it creep in?

[fluid sapphire]

i prefer to not fight at all

i have mobs set to retaliate (basically passive since its broken), i only fight when they get in the way, its not worth the effort otherwise

[fiery lotus]

That's fair, I find the combat pretty funny.

Getting randomly blown off a cliff by an angry critter is always surprising.

[peak wasp]

I just play on passive, I don't wanna kill any animals

[silk ocean]

Yea I switched to passive recently, mostly got tired of spiders and creatures interrupting building

[violet needle]

tip of the day: you can run belts over constructors!
simply put the lift at basic +1 height!

[honest geyser]

is experimental the latest update of satisfactory?

[hard ivy]

it's currently identical to stable

[honest geyser]

just checking been a min since i last played

[fluid sapphire]

I thought the post 1.1 updates went straight to stable branch?

[silk ocean]

My docker Satisfac server had an update a week or two ago I know that much, there was a client-server mismatch so I guess maybe

[wicked nacelle]

yeah someone said a few days ago there was an experimental push but no one I saw grabbed it

i just switched to experimental and got no download

[silk ocean]

Ah I'm just running stable

[burnt ferry]

you do though.. for dna

[wicked nacelle]

yeah as far as I can tell the experimental branch is no different

[hard ivy]

and protein inhalers

[cedar drum]

i had the golden equipment before, joined a friends game after a long break and now i dont have it, which is weird

i had the game in early access, my firends have the gold stuff and we all bought the game at the same time

[silk ocean]

Like the mug?

[burnt ferry]

what gold stuff?

[feral geyser]

The mug and the factory cart

[burnt ferry]

the mug and the factory cart?

i thought something useful

[feral geyser]

Yes, there are gold versions of them

[hard ivy]

there are early access rewards - gold helmet and something else?

[silk ocean]

Forgot about the factory cart

[feral geyser]

@unkempt blade can you believe this?

[plush dawn]

1000% makes them more useful

totally

[azure ermine]

thanks for the advice, power graph smooth like buttah. I had tried just turning power to the generators off, but then they didn't fill with fuel, but putting everything on standby, and waiting until they all had 50 fuel in them, then putting them into motion, no more sloshing pipes

[burnt ferry]

itll slosh again.. just takes longer

prefill only hides problems.. never solves them

[violet needle]

#screenshots ?

[silk ocean]

My power wobbles a little due to the geothermal generators but barely noticeable at 150 GW generation

[fiery lotus]

I ignored oil for so long that I accidentally stumbled into nodes, guess I have to extract it now

[burnt ferry]

one fully overclocked fuel generator --> 625 MW... for comparison coal enerator has like 165MW fullyoverclocked

[fiery lotus]

Yeah I figured it would be a lot better, I just hadn't needed power. What I need more is plastic

It's a pure node too, nice

[azure ermine]

#screenshots message

got about 14,000mw going up and down slowly due to some geothermal

[fiery lotus]

Bro is encasing his planet in a metal shell...

[burnt ferry]

make sure to have the recydled plastic/rubber recipes unlocked then

[fiery lotus]

I wish

I got turbo heavy fuel does that count

[azure ermine]

I put off working on fuel power by paving over the southern void

[burnt ferry]

next time you scan a harddrive and it doesnt have recipes you want, dont pick any but keep it undecided

[fiery lotus]

Speaking of recipes, pure quartz seems nice but I don't really need quartz yet

[fiery lotus]

I do that

[burnt ferry]

you will have both recycled recipes in 10 harddrives max then

[fiery lotus]

Oh wait I do have reycled rubber I was just putting it off because I didn't need it yet & it was holding coated cable hostage

[dense violet]

Depending on what recipes you use you can nearly cut it out entirely

Or use the whole world supply

[burnt ferry]

you can start with only one of them

[fiery lotus]

Well cutting it out entirely seems silly, that reduces your total production capacity.

[silk ocean]

Loads of oil on the west coast

[burnt ferry]

eastern blue sink has more

[dense violet]

In a way. But it’s also not possible to process all the resources on the map to final components

[burnt ferry]

like 3 pure nodes vs 2

[fiery lotus]

Yeah the west islands is where I found my node

[dense violet]

So not really

[burnt ferry]

its fine.. it has two pure bauxit nodes 'close' by (if you ignore altitude its close)

[fiery lotus]

I guess it does seem rather pointless to process things into products just to sink them

[burnt ferry]

depends

[fiery lotus]

I already belted them down

[remote plank]

is there plans to make variation to things on conveyors? like so every ore on a conveyor doesnt look the exact same

[burnt ferry]

you often have to sink anyway to guarantee not getting stuck

[dense violet]

It’s more that your computer will catch fire if you try

[burnt ferry]

like yes its better to make plastic from polymere resin, but it will consume more energy and it will back up as well if you dont take care of it

[fiery lotus]

I trust in the heart of the PC

[honest geyser]

its been a while since i last placed time to cook up some spaghetti

[fiery lotus]

trying to build me an actual structure but the solid biofuel jetpack is making this difficult

maybe i should make a temporary factory with the oil so i can fuel my pack with that

[burnt ferry]

make liquid bio fuel

[silk ocean]

Yea I prefer the hoverpack for building personally

[fiery lotus]

Oh yeah I forgot I can make liquid biofuel already, that would have been a lot less suffering

Me no so smart

[honest geyser]

lol

[dense violet]

It’s more that your computer will catch fire if you try

[dense violet]

Unless your pc is the super computer sitting at a major university? No

[fiery lotus]

I am also used to playing below 10fps

[plush dawn]

i really want to test this old mac but satifactory dont work on macos

[silk ocean]

13900K is having no trouble yet, factory is pretty big

[dense violet]

Try 10fpm

Im not joking

[silk ocean]

10 frames per minute? xD

[fiery lotus]

I'll just yoink a disgarded last gen threadripper from the tech businesses down the road

[dense violet]

It was that way before they increased total availability of resources on the map before 1.0 and there’s a lot more now

[plush dawn]

id like to show a screenshot of my pc but i cant uh how do you suggest i do that

[silk ocean]

Like a picture of it, or like msinfo32?

[hard ivy]

The game's a lot more optimized now

[plush dawn]

something like msinfo

[burnt ferry]

ye.. i have the same hardware as with updat 5 and its running supoer smooth

[plush dawn]

this isnt windows

[peak wasp]

I did, early on

[burnt ferry]

in fact i have 50% of memory only as one of my modules broke

[silk ocean]

Alt+PrntScrn on the window then paste

[peak wasp]

I have handcrafted so many things, defeats the purpose of the game -_-

[plush dawn]

i know how to take a picture lol

[burnt ferry]

dnas coupon yield does not grow exponentially so you never wnt to stop making dna

[plush dawn]

i just cant paste it here

[silk ocean]

or Win+Shift+S to select an area

[plush dawn]

again this isnt windows 😂

[silk ocean]

Prob needs to go in screenshots

Ah

[burnt ferry]

cmd shift 4

[peak wasp]

how can you automate feeding it dna?

you have to kill animals, no?

[plush dawn]

i need to get around to changing the keycaps

[hybrid copper]

Hellooo

[burnt ferry]

you make a constructor for alien protein and one for dna and put somerslops in both --> 4 times the dna yield

[plush dawn]

option is windows and alt is command

[peak wasp]

that's a good idea

[plush dawn]

ive just been letting my aluminum factory overflow for coupons

[burnt ferry]

thatws not compraable

[hard ivy]

Ever since DNA was added, I still haven't sunk a single capsule of it

Never needed more coupons than sinking overflow from factories provided tbh

[plush dawn]

i currently have close to 200 coupons from aluminum alone

[burnt ferry]

you never use them then

thats fine

[plush dawn]

i do use them though?

im too lazy to make iodine filters so i just buy them

[burnt ferry]

if yor aluminum still yields 200 coupons youre barely using them

[plush dawn]

i meant total

[burnt ferry]

b;y the time i reach aluminum i have to wit like 2 years to get 200 coupons from it

[plush dawn]

ive spent many of them

[burnt ferry]

ah. ye they start to pile up once you unlocked everything

i use them to buy nobelisks, gas filters etc

[peak wasp]

plastic/rubber for me

[topaz shale]

I sorta wish I could zoop my rail blueprint. Takes a while to get it placed down since I'm going quite a ways for the first route.

[burnt ferry]

if such materials still yield significnt amounts of coupons, you prolly dont even need the overflow 😂

[plush dawn]

yeah i forgot that im sinking those too, so theres some coupons from plastic and rubber in that number

[azure ermine]

if you hit R to where it says Blueprint (Connect) you can tile down blueprints about as fast as you can click

helps to be in the air

[peak wasp]

can I post links?

[honest geyser]

need a vc

[peak wasp]

266 Alclad Aluminum Sheet

[hard ivy]

Depends. Some are removed by the anti-spam bot

[peak wasp]

131 Aluminum Ingot

75 Plastic

[topaz shale]

That does help a lot, for sure. Can't spam though since I'm not sure if it is a bug but if I place down something in the air, for some reason it builds that at coord 0, 0. I can see it on the map.

[burnt ferry]

when i sink 250 fused modular frames i get max 1 coupon from it... sinking plastic or rubber only seems like the number of points is not even changing 😂

[edgy swift]

Hey guys, anyone know what to do with 120 iron ingots a second?

[burnt ferry]

steel

[hard ivy]

130 motors/min
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=UQjvHHhulXLld0m4as4u

[honest geyser]

i love being too lazy to put stuff on buildings so i make horible spagetti on the ground

[peak wasp]

my spaghett is getting worse, rail not being built

more and more handcrafting 🙁

[silk ocean]

Global rail network is the best way, takes a long time to build but very convenient when done

[honest geyser]

i know the feeling lol

[silk ocean]

At least build crates and feed instead of manual crafting xD

[honest geyser]

im starting to place crafting benches eavrywhere i go to build lol

running out of shit

that and assemblers and all

[peak wasp]

about to unlock nuclear power, after that, I will work on rail >_<

[azure ermine]

do trains just carry enormous amounts of stuff? a fast conveyor belt doesn't have to go back and get more and takes no fuel

[hard ivy]

Yeah, you should not even touch a craftbench after like coal lol

[silk ocean]

Very large amounts of stuff - can run more too, and make longer

[willow glen]

the theoretical capacity of a single train track is… difficult to calculate. Many many belts worth.

[fluid sapphire]

trains take no fuel, they run electricity

man im trying to imagine belting 12000 ore into a factory (its a nightmare)

[azure ermine]

at the risk of pedantry, electricity takes fuel 🙂 but I get your drift

[fluid sapphire]

you cant re-use the same belts for multiple other things later, you can use rail like that though

[hard ivy]

It's really not. A train moves at 120 km/h = 2 km/min. A wagon is 16m long and carries 32 stacks. 2 km/min is 125 wagons/min. Which is 4000 stacks/min.

Assuming a constant stream of full speed wagons

[willow glen]

ya it’s mostly about the fuel logistics for trucks that turns people off from them, and same with drones. Trains need no fuel logistics, just power!

[azure ermine]

geothermal takes no fuel.

[silk ocean]

Another benefit of rail, it carries power, and then tap it off from any station

[azure ermine]

it's a good thing any old wire will carry zero to skads of power

[willow glen]

imagine using the same power lines to transfer 1MW as you do 100GW lol, they should melt without transformers

[fluid sapphire]

man, taking power everywhere across the map with rail is so clean, i would really hate having a million power towers every 20m

[hard ivy]

Towers have a range of 300 m

[silk ocean]

Yep xD

[peak wasp]

how do you get rid of items you don';t want to sink? (automated not toilet)
should you sink everything even if it's worthless?

[silk ocean]

Yeah they go a long way

[fluid sapphire]

i know, im exaggerating to illustrate a point

i dont like the aesthetic of lots of power towers over a long long distance

[azure ermine]

towers in real life are designed to carry very high power but in the game, a wire is a wire, the pylons just don't have to be placed close together

[willow glen]

boy do I sink a lot of concrete. It sure isn’t worth many points in phase 5 but if I’m not using it, might as well get a ticket every hour or two out of it.
But you’re right, it’s a small amount once you’re sinking project parts. Entirely up to you, and how easy it is to just put sinks everywhere in your layout

[fluid sapphire]

why wouldnt you want to sink those, thats one of the primary uses of a sink, keeping a system running by getting rid of excess

[azure ermine]

I sank Reanimated SAM until I had the 300 some tickets to unlock all the structural things and the boom box and tapes and the coffee cup. And the metal finishings and such

after that, not sure what I'll use them for

[peak wasp]

I got the coffee cup early on

[willow glen]

golden nuts of course

[feral geyser]

I love the main menu music. Like, more than any minecraft song. More than most other songs. It is amazingly good, a master class in layering sounds.

[peak wasp]

the lift music is cool

Plifts and chill

[feral geyser]

Jannik did not have to go that hard on that track, he did it for us

[azure ermine]

I think it would be great if you could inventory upload to a Sink.

parts are coming from the dimensional depot but when I dismantle anything, it won't load back to it because it has already refilled

I guess I could put sinks everywhere...

[heavy pine]

there is the personal uploading, but that can only hold onto five stacks of stuff

[hard ivy]

Use items from inventory first. They almost always get used up. And then you're not using the depot, so if you've got overflow to sink before the container, more will go into a sink than normally would. Which means you're kinda sinking it

[feral geyser]

I mean, you do need them for production lines periodically, and if you put a merger in front of them, you can always hook up a container and dump in them

[peak wasp]

The rail set up I am building, loop around the map and have it all come to a rail depot, sorting facility, then onto separate factories for items and then all comes to one big main hub

[azure ermine]

smart splitters are lovely because you can set overflow to sink anything over what you can store

[peak wasp]

yup

[fiery lotus]

Oh dang caterium circuit board is nice

[peak wasp]

I sink everything via smart splitter

[azure ermine]

the person who said over time the pipes would start sloshing again, they were right. My smooth power graph has the jitters again

[violet needle]

oh shi

[azure ermine]

mind you it's jittering between high and high so it probably doesn't matter

[violet needle]

i have 960 plastic on a 780 belt

o.O

[fiery lotus]

No smart splitters so far so I just set &/or clock everything to produce a bit more than needed and split the forced overflow between between sink & depot (with container buffers.) Any surprise jolts in production just get filtered off into the overflow because it's the only place they can physically go.

[fluid sapphire]

thats a lie

[azure ermine]

going to be nice and cool tomorrow, for the end of August. Pretty much the whole summer never got much above 92F at most

[peak wasp]

august is our winter

[azure ermine]

no 102 feels like 115 days

[peak wasp]

been very rainy

[azure ermine]

southern hemisphere?

yeah I'm in Ohio

[peak wasp]

yeah, australia 🙂

[azure ermine]

unless September surprises by being blazingly hot it feels like the beginning of fall temps

[peak wasp]

sep is our spring, can't wait

I visited ohio twice, lot of pollen?

[azure ermine]

I am fortunate to be pretty allergy-free

[violet needle]

no sir that is an EMERGENCY

[hard ivy]

Forgot that the recycling loops needs more throughput than it has output?