satisfactory

[atomic notch]

just build all the building you need then go from there sometimes it helps to get visual of what youre workin with

[onyx siren]

the online calculators can be used on your phone

[hybrid sierra]

Can someone do it for me pls? Work is hard the boss sucks

[onyx siren]

i did it earlier today before getting home

[hybrid sierra]

What's the app called

[onyx siren]

idk if there is an app, i just used the website

[hybrid sierra]

what's the website called

[atomic notch]

just tab out and open a google tab lol

[noble stratus]

#screenshots message @peak wasp ╰(°▽°*)╯ NO!

[hybrid sierra]

What is the website url

That's all im asking

[atomic notch]

idk man i never use that shit

i know scim

people say that alot

[noble stratus]

satisfactory calculator?

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[noble stratus]

wth

satisfactory-calculator looks much cleaner

but i guess if you want text based thats better

[hybrid sierra]

The website sucks

[true mulch]

cleaner? try planning anything past tier 4

[noble stratus]

which one

[dense violet]

SCIM? is garbage tier compared to tools.

[noble stratus]

ive never played past tier 4 till now

[dense violet]

the UI is.. atrocious, layouts just bad. Recipe selection process basically non existent

[true mulch]

alright I don't want to dunk on Anthor that way, it's not "garbage", it's rather just inferior to Tools

[noble stratus]

im just about to

[dense violet]

it can't even do loops properly

[true mulch]

Anthor's stance was that he wouldn't mind merging Tools into his site but I guess that never came to fruition

[hard ivy]

It makes mistakes and straight up can't calculate some recipe chains. It is garbage

[true mulch]

mistakes?

[rigid mist]

riding the elevator is a vibe i can get behind

[noble stratus]

2 minutes recommended :3

[hard ivy]

Plus the "select all recipes" button is useless because then it makes coal for steel from fucking non-existent biomas rather than fucking mining it

[noble stratus]

okay okay i get it

[hard ivy]

Building counts are off sometimes, I have no clue how it calculates power, and don't even get me started on realistic mode

[true mulch]

oh yeah, it just picks whatever the first recipe for a given part is

and I guess biocoal alphabetically precedes... coal

[hard ivy]

It's not even alphabetical I don't think. It just goes down its internal list. Or so I've heard
I haven't used it since current Tools released

[true mulch]

possible

it runs off its own docs export most likely

[willow glen]

oh boy I can’t wait to harvest 10,000 trees for a stack of diamonds!

[true mulch]

on that note, power in Tools is also "biased" by always using N*100% + XX% for calculations

same as the clock speeds shown on hover

which is not the only way to do it, but better than not showing anything

[hard ivy]

I would say it would be better if it didn't show anything. And used machines at 100% for power calcs (unless it already does, haven't checked tbh)

That info is basically already there in the building counts.
The % on hover just gives you more decimal places

[willow glen]

I do wish tools was more flexible with machine count (specifically allowing me to specify clocking percent would be great) but it’s not too hard to math it

[true mulch]

hoping greeny will finish the rewrite at one point to allow for new features to be added

[topaz shale]

Yeah tools is very nice to use. I tried using both SCIM but man, I really prefer tools just because it looks nicer.

I especially like the raw material input limit. Can calculate exactly how much of a node can support a recipe.

[peak wasp]

bruh imagine a satisfactory 2

[hard ivy]

I wish SF Optimizer had a GUI. It would be by far the best calc

[rigid mist]

are trucks still a viable transport later on in the game, or should i use trains?

[hard ivy]

I don't even consider them viable transport early on in the game

[topaz shale]

I would even take something similar to Yet Another Factorio Calculator but for Satisfactory. That app can easily calculate circulatory recipes.

[rigid mist]

eh probably best to use trains anyways i suck at driving in this game

[hard ivy]

Tools can do loops just fine

[latent prawn]

i like using tools for some things, mostly math that is too complicated to do by hand. when it comes to actual factory planning though, i prefer sp.runesun.com since it is more of a domain-aware spreadsheet where you can enter and track your factories

[rigid mist]

but all i need to transpart rn is max 480 items/m

[topaz shale]

Which is good to know. Satisfactory isn't complicated enough for YAFC to even be that useful, yet.

[topaz shale]

I had no idea that that site even exists. Might have to give it a try.

[latent prawn]

its very bare-bones, but for how i approach problems, it does exactly what i want

[grave panther]

how can I split a specific amount of items off a stack?

[hard ivy]

Hold RMB

[grave panther]

thanks

[latent prawn]

right click and hold for a slider

[rigid mist]

but i mean the thing is i can just do a truck line for now where i don't need that much and i can make a train loop later if i need it

ah but trucks need fuel hmmmm

[shrewd hatch]

fuel is the easiest thing

I have so much fuel that I dont know what to do with it

and I accidentally made 1500 bio fuel

[rigid mist]

my fuel plant is like 1000 meters away

[latent prawn]

also, i'll add that the tool was written quickly for people speedrunning to come up with a plan, so it lacks some nice-to-haves

[shrewd hatch]

looks like my save file is corrupted

[burnt ferry]

@hard ivy i fiddled a bit with my fuel power plant and as the heavy oil residue kept backing up within the refineries, i put a liquid container after the refineries. that container fills with 600m3/min straight.. i emptied it 4 times and it always refilled with 600 m3/min (602 to be precise. Close to being full the fill rate started to decline. but likewise it peaked above 600 m3/in in the beginning. so this could be calculation

[rigid mist]

my blue print designer is in the way of my train station D:

[shrewd hatch]

is the blueprint designer useful?

[rigid mist]

well it would be good to have if i used blueprints

i can make a new floor for it later

[dense violet]

if you want to make multiple chunks of hte same thing? sure.

[shrewd hatch]

thats actually brilliant

[dense violet]

you mean the one thing the machine does? xD

[peak wasp]

is there a way, to auto matically fuel your power gen?

[dense violet]

use machiens to automate fuel

[burnt ferry]

blueprinting setups with logistics put underneath the machinery (using floor holes) is a pita.. you either have to connect the machinery manually after building (which kinda makes the designer useless as this is the most time consuming thing. the machinery can be placed super easy in a row) or you make large unhandy blueprints with platforms included. but if the machinery bleeds even a bid outside these foundations bounding box, the whole blueprint will, which makes snapping it foundation by foundation very hard. likewise if you always ensure the foundations to be the bounding box, you will waste space

and if you make separate blueprints for manifolds, the mergers and splitters inside it wont do the automatic conveyor lift connection thingy..

[inner echo]

All my blueprints are sub floor. I just build a square foundation pad 8 or 10m in the air...removing it before I save.

[burnt ferry]

so your holes are floating inside the blueprint but then connect to the foundation you put them on?

[inner echo]

Then I build the factory floor after the having laid out the bluprints in the factory.

Or I sink them through.

[strong fiber]

hey guys

i have a theory

[topaz shale]

I have created a set of blueprints that have the logistics floor included though I remove the foundations and I just end up belting them together but a lot of time is still saved.

[burnt ferry]

i think i tried something similar once which made the bounding box of the blueprint behave similar to what described but to the bottom side, so when i put them on foundations, they were hovering/standing on them holes

[topaz shale]

How high should I even make the logistics floor, in general? I usually place a foundation on the top of the second wall.

[strong fiber]

Since the release of 1.1 The devs (of my knowledge are fully focused on console release the question or theory is what do yall think the limit of machines that would be allowed in a world

[inner echo]

When building the factory I build the foundations for the sub floor...and just put the blueprint on that. Sometimes I put the real floor in to get the first one aligned the way I want...

[burnt ferry]

ah... so yoiu bild all final foundations as last step.. so you dont have to align the blueprints to it hen buildign them

[inner echo]

Yah.

I have foundation 'pad' blueprints ready to go. 3x3 4x4 5x5 etc.

[topaz shale]

How does that look?

[inner echo]

(I cheat...so the main pad I use is an 8x8...most useful bp size)

[topaz shale]

I kinda want to see how you set yours up. Might try to do that instead of what I'm currently doing.

[burnt ferry]

okay... i think i can work with that.. my issue is that without blueprints i think of the subfloor from top to bottom, because I build them looking up and I go lower if further layers are necessary... and i wrongly tried to apply that approach to making blueprints

[inner echo]

Would a photo do?

[dense violet]

1 wall deep is often enough if you plan things out. depends on you though

[topaz shale]

Oh 100%

Post it in #screenshots

[burnt ferry]

so my subfloor setups had no real foundation layer to it, i just leave it upen, extending downwards if necessary... but from the perspective of a blueprint, that distance is fixed and can be determined upfront... so it should work

[topaz shale]

I can definitely work with this. I think I've been making my logistics floors way too high and thus just not looking great.

[inner echo]

I do 8m surface to ceiling surface. That is good for 1 to 3 inputs. 4 inputs needs 10m. I like to keep all my belts/pipes in-line

[topaz shale]

I do the same thing. Not a foundation in the blueprint itself. Lets me place the bp anywhere it can fit.

[dense violet]

You can do it even shorter with the right layout! clipe the top of splitters and mergers with foundation floors

[burnt ferry]

same as me prolly.. at least looking at the results.. i mean the logistics floor could still be unlimited, just your blueprints dont have to.. i think thats the gist of my misconception

[peak wasp]

but will that make it go into the power supply? or do I need to do that part manually?

[dense violet]

depends what power supply you're talking about.
coal power is your first fuilly automated power source

[burnt ferry]

i think it makes sense to do that, at least if youre like me not that great in preplannning large facilities, and leaving rooom for extension is never a bad strategy... but as blueprints are a piont in time snapshot, we can indeed specify constraints for the logistics floor height, without affecting that of the rest of the facility

[dense violet]

before coal power you're in the pre tutorial.

[peak wasp]

ohhh interesting? so just build a mine and something and it has endless power?

cool cool

[dense violet]

phase 1 is basically where you practice the extreme basics, once you hit phase 2, you can do automated power and you will probably want to rip up all the stuff you've built since as it'll likely be a giant awful mess

[burnt ferry]

almost. it needs power to run. so in case it goes off you have to bootstrap it with another power source.... building large arrays of power storages, to tank any peaks beyond your current capacity helps avoiding that (given that your average consumption is lower than your capacity)

[topaz shale]

Exactly. The only thing my blueprint designing limits are the height of the logistics floors. It's very nice in the long run. I did try to design it with pre placed belts to have them autoconnect but they weren't connecting exactly as I wanted them to so I just decided to hand place the connnecting belts.

[inner echo]

#screenshots message The one in the background still has the 8x8 pad in it. Which I can easily remove cuz it is also a blueprint.

[burnt ferry]

i dont like preplaced belts.. makes it harder to put facilities in a mirrored layout

unless the entire mirror is the blueprint

[topaz shale]

That's exactly what I do though I only do it for one building at a time. I probably should have it be grouped up to groups of 3 or so.

[burnt ferry]

grouping and therefore reducing the number of connections you have to put manually is also what worked for me at least better as having ' universal' blueprints as i hoped in the beginning

[topaz shale]

That was my reasoning too. Thought to try to use the new feature but oh well. I will still be needing to replace the mk1 lifts with the appropriately sized one as I build anyways.

[burnt ferry]

it looks like it makes more sense to make blueprints that do a specific thing.. like i have a blueprints that thakes, iron ingots, rubber and plastic and creates reinforced plates from it

[topaz shale]

Now I don't know if I should make a blueprint that uses each of the different lifts. That seems like almost too much effort for some ease of placement.

[burnt ferry]

or i have one with two assemblers going into one assembler making motors from wire and steel pipes

[topaz shale]

Other than what I'm currently using them for, I don't think I'll really use blueprints too heavily.

[burnt ferry]

and i made them, such that i can put them in a row as well

[inner echo]

When you get to copper powder...well...when I get to copper powder...I have a minimum of 8 refineries in the blueprint. Because the stupid pure copper ingot recipe is so stupidly slow.

[topaz shale]

Each factory is different and so having a sorta universal bp system just works better for my playstyle.

[burnt ferry]

theres a few quirks that makes working with them so cumbersome you have to use them in super large stups (with lots of additional work aside blueprints) to make them useful.. the sweet spot where you do less additional work enough to justify the effort making blueprints seems VERY high

[inner echo]

8 refineries is pretty cool...so is 16...or 25....but 256? That is so far from cool.

[burnt ferry]

and then you realize your blueprints have a major flaw because of something and you never use them again

[topaz shale]

Very true. I may just end up building by hand unless I decide to make grouped blueprints.

[burnt ferry]

i managed to have a pure recipe blueprints with 8 refineries that i could scale relatively easy

although they have the same mirroring problem but i just dont mirror them

[inner echo]

Biggest benefit of blueprints is ease of dismantling.

[topaz shale]

^

[inner echo]

And rebuilding with the better version.

[burnt ferry]

if you put 36 foundries in a row AND connect all of them above floor and subfloor you start to think there MUST be a way 😂

[topaz shale]

I have a quarter-built factory that I'm going to replace with a slightly shorter logistics floor when I get home. It was already built with bps so tearing it down is easy.

[burnt ferry]

nah bro

updating would be something

[topaz shale]

I think I actually did this once on my last run that didn't go very far.

[burnt ferry]

like conveyor belts or lifts

updated version of blueprint --> point on existing but older or modified built --> click on blueprint --> reset to current version selected... i say reset because I guess its easier to implement it that way instead of determining whether the blueprint is an update or not...

[burnt ferry]

i need several sessions of playing to finish such.. doing other stuff in between

i mean... i guess you have blueprint mk2 like me @topaz shale ... thinks might be different by just having more space... i wouldnt know how but maybe 😂

[inner echo]

It's good to have the support bps too...like 2, 3 and 4 tier splitters in row. Same for mergers. And just like 5 splitters/mergers spaced a refinery apart.

[burnt ferry]

those dont make conveyor lifts autosnap to them mergers/splitters

i have such blueprint....

[inner echo]

No. Still damned handy. Even when building new blueprints.

[burnt ferry]

and i mean... 2, 3, 4, 'tier' splitters? you obviously use some kind of system that is not given by the game itself but just applies with it

[steady glade]

make a blueprint of an elevated splitter/merger

[inner echo]

Dragging conveyor/lifts is the easy bit.

[steady glade]

at the height of a lift

[inner echo]

You can nudge your bp vertically...

[burnt ferry]

whats a tier 2 splitter? thats the question

[inner echo]

Thank dog.

tier...as in elevation.

[steady glade]

weird way to say it, meters is enough

[burnt ferry]

???

[burnt ferry]

theres (already) tiers, milestones, phases and maybe i forgot something fourth and you think its a good idea to call 'levels of elevation' (what levels? 4m, 8m, 2m, 3m?) 'tiers'

[inner echo]

A tier can be a set elevation of something. Like 'Top Tier'

[burnt ferry]

bruh... i dont doubt your method at all.. but this is mainly because i have zero clue how it works because you use some badly choosen wording (which is not justified by many people using it.. if intentional its just gatekeeping)

[steady glade]

*already commonly used wording

[inner echo]

Here is something I might refer to as a 4 tier splitter: #screenshots message

[burnt ferry]

there is tier 2, tier 3, tier 4 and top tier 😂

i wonder if tier 1 was just left off by accident or if it doesnt exist .... for some reason

[inner echo]

Each splitter is on it's own tier.

[steady glade]

tier 1 exists, its the tutorial where you build up the hub

[burnt ferry]

true.. im on tier 9 now i believe?

so im 9 splitters high?

[inner echo]

I will use 'terraced' next time.

[burnt ferry]

or mergers?

[burnt ferry]

@inner echo THIS

terraced

😂

say it in german.. 'stockwerke'

[inner echo]

Sure. I read a lot. Tier makes more sense to me.

[burnt ferry]

mind you the 'erste stock' is not the first floor

[burnt ferry]

piece of advice (especially for irl conversations) just dont 😂

[keen oriole]

why is so much rocket fuel produced

[steady glade]

The Factory™ must grow.

[wicked nacelle]

I want a Pure Water recipe where you add water to water and get 50% more water

[void cliff]

Oh snap, I should have been making more modular factories this whole time. They don’t look my favorite but damn this makes things way easier

[topaz shale]

And then you get an infinite water loop and crash the game.

[wicked nacelle]

there's already infinite water in the game. It would just increase rate and it would be a finite increase in rate.

same with allowing sloops on packagers wouldn't break the game

[steady glade]

the issue of sloops on packagers is that you could theoretically dupe canisters and liquids with loop

alt

[wicked nacelle]

yeah. And all that does is increase the rate.

[shadow isle]

nvm it fixed itself

[wicked nacelle]

and it would cost sloops, so the amount you could increase the rate available would be pretty small. It would break the balance of things like nitrogen being limited, but it wouldn't fundamentally change the game

[forest grotto]

how do i make the freight car load?

[hollow vector]

turbo fuel

i mean rf

[steady glade]

power the train station

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, it would be useful for sure. but it's not breaking the game is the point

[forest grotto]

i did

[wicked nacelle]

is your train station facing the right way? The curved top part is the front

has to match the direction the engine is facing

[steady glade]

did you snap the freight platform to the station?

[forest grotto]

yes and yes

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057 pls

[steady glade]

if the station is powered and freight platorms snapped properly, you can get on the train, drive to the station and press F to dock

[wicked nacelle]

make sure the freight station isn't set to "unload" of course

[forest grotto]

oh i see i figured it out

[wicked nacelle]

what was it?

[acoustic shell]

dawg in my baux factory, everything is routed correctly and getting materials but just isnt working

[forest grotto]

i just needed to move my train a little

[steady glade]

output full

[acoustic shell]

no backup at all

[keen oriole]

what I've been doing and I find helpful is just I made a blueprint with 8-12 of the basic buildings, like two tiers of 6 smelters or 2 tiers of 4 assemblers, then add the belts and power, and just select the item they're crafting after I placed them. this was very helpful.

[peak wasp]

thank you for the response
cleaning up my base now on a foundation

[wicked nacelle]

follow production backwards until you find what's missing/full

[acoustic shell]

I flushed a pipe and now its working, it was the pipe that routed waste water back into a refinery

[steady glade]

output full, i was right

[acoustic shell]

so should I clock it more so it doesnt do that

[wicked nacelle]

it will probably happen again if it happened once

[steady glade]

its gonna be a whole issue

even if you underclock past what you planed for

[acoustic shell]

I mean overclock

like overclock where its going to so it uses more water

[steady glade]

you can overclock it to 133%

[acoustic shell]

Its at 144, so like 150 or 160?

[wicked nacelle]

it all depends on the recipe

[steady glade]

are your refineries linked 1 to 1?

or manifolded all together?

[acoustic shell]

its according to a 3:5 ratio system thing that someone gave me specfically for baux production

[steady glade]

with which recipes?

[dense violet]

you said 'it's working, but not enough' ?

step 1: are the scrap outputs clogged?

[forest grotto]

how do i get a railway to go up im trying to use ramps but it says the angle is too steep

[steady glade]

2m max

[acoustic shell]

no, the scrap was empty

[dense violet]

is it's waste water clogged?

[acoustic shell]

yes

[steady glade]

if you have no space for a bunch of ramps you can make a spiral of 2m ramps separated by 3m of height

[keen oriole]

how far should one side of that spiral be?

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 , but it sounds like you mathed wrong

[steady glade]

16m or 2 foundations, including the ramp

[keen oriole]

whoa ok

[ionic forge]

need some help in #screenshots

[dense violet]

pick what you need. If neither? reroll

it's really not difficult

you are never locked out of these recipes, so you never lose out on anything

[steady glade]

you just have one stack of foundations alternating 4m, and 1m, and add a 2m ramp to the side of the 4m central foundation, on the lower half of it

[steady glade]

there are probably more hard drives around you, get them for now

[shrewd hatch]

theres hard drives in this game?

im literally almost at phase 3 and I never knew

[steady glade]

wait wat

have you looked at the equipment workshop?

[shrewd hatch]

uhh

[steady glade]

there's a bunch of things you should have in your inventory

[shrewd hatch]

where can I find these drives

[atomic notch]

You gotta explore

[shrewd hatch]

I explared half the map

[steady glade]

go to the equipment workshop, make what you need and ada should tell you a lot

[atomic notch]

Isnt it like build automate explore exploit or smth

Theyre in the crashed ships

[shrewd hatch]

I just found a hard drive in a drop pod

[atomic notch]

Put it in the mam

[shrewd hatch]

10 minutes??

[steady glade]

you didn't happen to find a floating nut by any chance?

with a purple core

probably next to an angry local

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, just do something else for a while 🙂 Also, you can just build a mam whenever/wherever. They are all linked so if you go off looking for hdd's you can start scanning a new one every 10 minutes by just dropping a mam wherever you are when the previous one finishes

[atomic notch]

i got like 10 hard drives but im out of recipes to grab

[wicked nacelle]

and you can pick up the mam after you start the hard drive - it doesn't have to stay in existence

[wicked nacelle]

done with a tier or done with all tiers?

[atomic notch]

done with p4 just got all the belts wrangled for ads

3 per minute

gonna take forever

[azure cedar]

Is there a tool to help me calculate if I have 1 pure node, what is the efficient set up for the basic iron products?

like x numbers constructors making plates, this many doing rods, or maybe a better a question of how much of each item i want to make per minute?

[atomic notch]

yeah there should be rates in the ui

on buildings

[inner echo]

Not really? Just a bit later you start working it the other way around...I need X number of thing, how much ore do I need?

[atomic notch]

says like 30 per minute

[azure cedar]

i know about the buildings showing how much per minute, just trying to figure out to plan my layout

[inner echo]

Then you get the resources you need.

[azure cedar]

for blueprints

i only have two coalpower plants, and no production atm

[inner echo]

The O key and search...the recipes you have access to are available there.

Or just the N key and type in the name of the thing you want to make...it will open the same thing as O

[atomic notch]

idk i dont use blueprints

[azure cedar]

I was just looking for production per minute, i was google searching and apparently its new ai search could give me rate per minute to produce lol

[inner echo]

And if you have the screen space...I keep the wiki open : https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Copper_Powder

[dense violet]

define 'efficient' in this phrase? you have to set a goal

[azure cedar]

what an early game goal is to produce per minute of the basics products that you can make from purely copper ore, or iron ore. like a starter factory what's recommended.

I'm just a bit further ahead in the game and decided to destroy everything to build back more aesthetically pleasing, so I first created my energy to back my building, so now I am just trying to create some factories that can support going to iron, plastic etc

[dense violet]

there is no recommended , have a goal, build to it.

a chat bot is definitely not going to solve this issue for you

[rough swift]

where can I find the images I take in game on fedora?

[dense violet]

is fedora a program?

[rough swift]

a distribution

on linux

[dense violet]

I'd hope it'd create a folder among the game folders as normal, or whatever equivalent you have with users/documents on windows.

otherwise that sounds like a google question

[white dawn]

~/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/526870/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/Local/FactoryGame/Saved/Screenshots/Windows

[dense violet]

so users/documents

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message

spaghet

[cursive crane]

In general I usually make it to roughly tier 6/7 off 4-800 iron ore/m
Thats only because you can use the pure ingot recipe to get much more out of it [doubleish? Cant remember the numbers] and it can pretty much replace most copper stuff.
Thats a wide range because the simple answer is, it depends.

Im currently working on a 3-4000 iron ore/m factory in tier 9 though so... take it however you want, probably unnecessary but gives you an idea

Other numbers prob relevant,
1 pure caterium node
2 pure coal and 4 normals
3-5 copper nodes
1 quartz node
1 sam node
2 sulfur nodes

[rough swift]

🙏

[lofty oyster]

man fuel is fricken tricky

just curious are the pipes bugged right now?

[keen oriole]

they seem to be working well what difficulty are u having?

[lofty oyster]

its having an extremely hard time trying to load balance itself but I think it just got itself under control I have 600 fuel flowing right now and I have 30 fuel generators going and it was just fluctuating a lot between 45 and 5 and shutting my generators down 😐 maybe its just im not used to the pipe system yet

[keen oriole]

it can take a while to balance. it helps to let the pipes load up fully before you turn anything on

[lofty oyster]

ahhh thats good to know btw I was watching a youtube video and someone said the pipes were bugged where you couldnt go from mk2 to mk1 it didnt work correctly has that been fixed yet or do you know anything about that?

[keen oriole]

idk about that

I made a big power plant for rocket fuel with a hundred pipes and a hundred tanks and they all filled and flowed how they were supposed to

but I only used mk2 only.

[lofty oyster]

ok cool I just watned to make sure I wasnt losing my mind

[dense violet]

there's a lot of nonsense on youtube about this game, especially about the pipes

[lofty oyster]

gotcha ok thats why I figured I would ask in here maybe they were doing something wrong or something

[dense violet]

the way you lay pipes however has huge impact on flow. They aren't belts.
basically it all stems from fluids being bidirectional, and liquids prefering to flow down

[keen oriole]

if you have space then building processes that involve liquids inna way that makes it so the process literally flows downhill is nice

[lofty oyster]

yeah I did not do that 🙁 😐 I did the kind of complete opposite

[clear aspen]

Are there speed runs for satisfactory?

Imma check that

[keen oriole]

what's nice to build in green fields?

[lofty oyster]

yeah I almost never start in the green fields I always take the forest since you have a tone of pure nodes of starting resources

[clear aspen]

What’s yalls least favorite item to make and why?

[keen oriole]

every other game I started in green fields but this time I chose desert . I found desert easy and nice. then I went and made a huge mess at bamboo forest and that's where most of my higher level stuff goes into depots. it works haha 😅

[atomic notch]

how big of a mess

[clear aspen]

Imma try that next time

[keen oriole]

Uhm the area with the blenders is like something out of a nightmare and there are probably tentacles

it's funny but my depots full. so now I have to figure out like, where else to do higher scale aluminum processing for a while.

bauxite forest area is kinda tied up LMAO 🪢🪢🪢

[lofty oyster]

wait who are you talking about gel?

[keen oriole]

I was rambling about my bamboo forest stuff

[lofty oyster]

ahhh you should see my factory 😐 yours probably looks a lot better than mine

[clear aspen]

Any tips for getting to phase 5 of space elevator? I’m currently working on making turbo motors? Should I prioritize looks or efficiency?

[keen oriole]

the thing I built today is pretty ok. bauxite forest is a crows nest

[lofty oyster]

hey gel you should come take a look at my build its not pretty but eh

[keen oriole]

oh I'm gonna stay on my world and just enjoy the view for now maybe tomorrow!

send a screenshot?

[lofty oyster]

yeah what I worked on will also be on a vod for twitch

[keen oriole]

check screenshots I put an example

[atomic notch]

nuclear pasta bc it uses soooo much copper

[clear aspen]

I can see that

[lofty oyster]

just posted a screenshot of what my power factory looks like

[clear aspen]

I made a temp nuclear pasta setup and had to wait a while

[keen oriole]

u can use fluid buffers for meters to see how fluid is flowing in a area, and use them to regulate flows

[lofty oyster]

huh did not know that thanks for that one I'm producing 1600 fuel right now

[keen oriole]

that's a lot wow..

[lofty oyster]

really?

[cursive crane]

I mean.. relatively, but also really not xD

Its only 25 fuel gens

[lofty oyster]

its more than that

80 fuel gens

[keen oriole]

I'm making 1600 fuel here rn too

so I only used like 33% of the resources here so far. but I made a good template

[peak wasp]

half the day is gone already, getting lost in the game

[keen oriole]

I made everything in rows now I just need to extend them 3x . and then add a couple thousand generators.

[lofty oyster]

so someone explained it this way do three lines 2X 600 M/min and a 400 m/Min the two 600's can do 30 each and the 400 can do 20

[cursive crane]

If you are making that many fuel gens and not ocing them you are wasting time and space lmao

[viral egret]

been thinking about my coal powerplant

[lofty oyster]

I'm going to lose track OCing the gens for me its just easier to just lay it al out

[cursive crane]

To each their own

As someone who made 60 fully oc'd fuel gens, the hard part is always the piping. You can go by lights for ocing

Or just ctrl v

Couldnt imagine having to pipe 150 fuel gens

[viral egret]

i wanna get into decorating my factory

i'll start with a very pretty coal plant

[cosmic laurel]

whats the best way to get mycelia

[cursive crane]

Mushrooms in caves, bring chainsaw

Or the biome to the ||southeast||

[grave panther]

So im working towards phase 2 and Im running around collecting hard drives. Is it possible to get any later game alt recipes if I have every early game recipe already in my library?

[cursive crane]

It does seem to go in order, but later game alts require you unlock certain milestones.

So at some point it will tell you no recipes available or something if you were to collect all the harddrives in very early game

Can find the info on that in the hard drive page on the wiki I think

!wikisearch harddrives_recipes

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=harddrives_recipes

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch harddrives

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=harddrives

[cursive crane]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Hard_Drive
That one

Right side of alt recipe chart, Unlocked By

[fossil ice]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @quiet gust

[quiet gust]

!wikisearch alternate recipes

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alternate

[grave panther]

thanks 👍

And is there any way of speeding up the mam I've got over two hours of hard drives

[dense violet]

just plop a mam down as you're exploring or whatever and insert a new one immediately

[grave panther]

I shouldve thought of that two hours ago when I started 😭

[white dawn]

(as a corollary to that, also remember that you can dismantle the MAM immediately after starting the research, so you don't have to leave them dotted around the map)

I'm sure there's a mod to decrease the research time, if you're willing to do that

[dense violet]

Im' sure there's a mod that cuts it to zero because... people

[drowsy finch]

Hey everyone! I’ve just gotten into satisfactory and been skimming through WhatDarrenplays 1.1 Oasis series as well as Gaming with Doc’s 1.0 series. I absolutely love their building designs and play style and want to do something similar and therefore I got a few questions. Firstly, when building factories should I make 1 factory for every item I need, for ex. 1 screw factory, 1 iron plate factory, etc and then bridge those items to other factories to complete the recipes needed or would every factory be reproducing those items for the recipes needed? Secondly, I’ve seen other creators make malls where they ship their manufactured products or even have a mega multi-floor factory on top of the mall, is this still viable even with the current dimensional depots in the game? Thirdly, if I were to connect factories like mentioned in my first question, should I split the outputs into storage containers so I can access to the items because I would probably need those items for other stuff but I find that would thing the output rate by splitting it in two and therefore decrease the input of the next machine in the circuit. I’d greatly appreciate anyone who could take their time to answer me! If you have any more suggestions for a new player such as myself please let me know.

[dense violet]

1. really up to you. I recommend treating the tiers and milestones as a good tutorial to get you ot the sand box aspect of the game
2. they were never 'viable' as a time saver. Much quicker to just set up a transport system between a few factories. The designing and building of a mall would always vastly outpace the time spent travelling sometimes
3. you do you. Find out how you want to play. You'll likely change your mind on how you play entirely once or twice as you learn

pretty much depends on your prefered play style and what you're willing to spend time on, and you can't figure that out until you just try things out

[ember mist]

Due to belt speed limits, it’s generally less complicated to just reproduce what you need for more advanced items, as you will be making ALOT of the more basic items over the course of the game. Of course as you start to get items that are produced in less quantity as well as increased belt speeds, that can change if you want it to.

[dense violet]

also probably avoid a lot of youtube content and just play through yourself , and look for answers if you hit problems you can't solve

[clear aspen]

Just watched a sub 1 hour speedrun to phase 2 of space elevator

[drowsy finch]

I have 26 hours in the game already and seem to have done 0 to no progress still trying to figure out how to get out of phase 2. Personally I like to make aesthetic builds in any games I play so there’s that. I’ve just started becoming frustrated because I don’t know how I want to progress next.

[dense violet]

I would drop all thoughts of aesthetics

you don't know how to manage logistics, or your goals or even have 1/10th of hte tools and items for it

and you need a really strong skill base of basic layout and planning before you can really get to aesthetics

[dense violet]

and do phase 2 just like you did phase 1.

make some space parts. Pick milestones and build some stuff

[placid valley]

Nothing like dying trying to get to a coal node and as you look at your ragdolled body you blow a fuse cause the BioGens just died...

[silk ocean]

How has adding 10 more nuclear reactors plunged me into the depths of epic doom and demise

[wicked nacelle]

Just store the waste until you build up the processing capabilities

[silk ocean]

I do have the processing capabilities, that is part of the doom

[placid valley]

You're telling me nuclear engineering is hard?!

[silk ocean]

It's somewhat involved, I've spent the past day working on this upscaling operation xD

There you are, in #screenshots

The nightmare of waste processing ensues

[silk ocean]

And now stuck in a radiation trap, had to die to fix that xD

[jaunty jewel]

the way i progress in this game is mostly

• do i have hub upgrades to do?
  if yes, unlock them
• do i need more power?
  if yes, make it
• do I notice i run low on any particular resource? (e.g motors for placing fuel gens or concrete)
  if yes, build more
• if all of the above is no, choose a space elevator part, plan it out, and begin building

forgot to add

• need alt recipe?
  if yes, explore

this wont work for everyone of course

[cursive crane]

Dont forget about mam research

[silk ocean]

1,391 hours later and I'm still trying to figure out a potato nuclear plant xD

[jaunty jewel]

i typically do a lot of exploring at the start of each phase once i have the first "main" production set up - coal power, basic petrochemical stuff

[jaunty jewel]

i leave alu and steel for alts, but i typically explore everything in phase 3 anyways

[silk ocean]

Why am I flying in Silica, this facility is supposed to be self sustaining xD

i.e. NOT relying on main-base xD

[cursive crane]

Soon as you can get packaged liquid biofuel, exploring and gathering all the sloops, spheres, drives, slugs, and remains possible is mandatory

[jaunty jewel]

nuclear power still remains my favourite thing in satisfactory although i never built ficsonium (and dont plan to tbh)

it just looks cool

[silk ocean]

This is just Uranium, 55GW

[jaunty jewel]

designing a logistic bluepirnt for the power plants was really, really fun

(genuinely not sarcasm)

[silk ocean]

I don't even want to imagine how I would do that, the logistic support network for this plant is rather large xD

[jaunty jewel]

placing and doing water extra tor stuff was kinda eh

the other time i did nuclear i had mods so it was fairly trivial

regarldess i still found it really fun

[hollow vector]

thats so small lol

are you going to refine the uranium?

[silk ocean]

Teeeeeny

[hollow vector]

plutonium waste is much slower filling

[silk ocean]

I'm just processing and sinking the plutonium atm XD

[jaunty jewel]

i did this my first time round, although it was a 160gw (?) plant i dont remember
72 (?) npps worth

[silk ocean]

I guess I might use the plutonium but you can't recyc that waste right?

You are stuck with it forever and a day

[jaunty jewel]

you can, in phase 5

and like mentioned above it is veeery slow so you dont really have to worry about buildup

[silk ocean]

You kinda do when you are running a LAN server that runs 24/7 even if you are not logged in XD

[slow kindle]

Can someone send a video explaining how to make an organized factory please

[silk ocean]

That rules me out 😈

[hollow vector]

just burn it then

you can have like

1k hours of play time if you just use 4 container blueprinters

maybe 10k

[silk ocean]

Yea, what do you get when you burn Plutonium Fuel Rods ?

More waste xD

[dense violet]

plan the whole thing out

sort out your end product per min, what recipes you're using, what numbers of all that

take notes on what groupings you're going to make and what belts and pipes are going to carry between each section. Use verticality

other than that, it's lots of practice

[exotic pilot]

There should be a valve but for conveyor

[grave panther]

I have a bug that is spawning my dismantle crates in a random location on the map

anyone know how to fix it?

It looks like all the dismantle crates are just combining into a single crate in the red jungle no matter where the building was dismantled

[jaunty jewel]

0,0 probably

[hollow vector]

less*

we all had this mentality before but we eventually got out of it

[jaunty jewel]

plut waste is like 1/10th as much

[silk ocean]

More Less Waste™ ? xD

[jaunty jewel]

!?

[hollow vector]

smartest pioneer:

dont worry you will mature out of the average kibitiz enjoyer mind

[grave panther]

there are thousands of items in the crate 💀

[jaunty jewel]

kibitz builds cool looking buildings but man its impractical at times

[silk ocean]

Bloomin' kibitz xD

[hollow vector]

true but i hate his takes on nuclear power

its the most simpsons like take on it

[jaunty jewel]

never watched the simpsons so i cant say i agree or disagree with that one

[silk ocean]

So much in there it will become a permanent feature of your factory xD

[hollow vector]

to put it in simple terms

[dense violet]

change the option in settings to it spawns new crates then

[hollow vector]

big glowly green goop

[silk ocean]

Can confirm it's green and glowy

[jaunty jewel]

ah yes

[burnt ferry]

ficsite is the stuff for mk6 belts, right?

[silk ocean]

Homer would basically cause a meltdown at my nuclear plant xD

[silk ocean]

Yaa

[burnt ferry]

seems a bit simpler than aluminum

[boreal musk]

ficsite trigon and time crystal*

[silk ocean]

Trigons and Time Crystals

[burnt ferry]

ah.. i needd them trigons for mk6 belts?

[silk ocean]

Yea

[burnt ferry]

ok.. that changes things slightly 😂

[silk ocean]

Lots of Iron and SAM xD

[hollow vector]

which is ultra cheap

[burnt ferry]

ah wait

i read the 'used in' part of the ficsite trigon

lul

ok so its basicall just thrice the amount than what i need for a ficsite ingot.. in fact i would be confused if its anything else 😂

wait a minute what magic

[silk ocean]

Reanimated SAM + lots of Iron Ingots -> Fiscite Ingot -> Fiscite Trigon xD

or use an alt recipe like Alu

[burnt ferry]

numbers.... they really are super cheap

[shadow isle]

how do you get custom blueprints made by other players?
is it super difficult or basically just adding a mod

[silk ocean]

or Caty if you have that alt - Reanimated SAM + Caty Bars

[burnt ferry]

here is where the beginner spawnpoint becomes superior again 😂

because of the pure sam node under the ark and the pure caterium node north of the pure coal node west of spawn

[silk ocean]

They are local storage I believe, you have to send the files, upload to the server, etc

[burnt ferry]

as for the user you can just download them and put them into a directory

[silk ocean]

Sounds like a good location yea xD

[burnt ferry]

diamonds oO

[silk ocean]

are forever xD

[burnt ferry]

dont they know that diamonds can be produced industrially super cheap nowadays... high prices for diamonds is a leaking balloon sinking into dense cactus farm

[silk ocean]

Yea I think I watched a SmarterEveryDay video on commercially manufactured diamonds

But yea basically we don't pan them out of rivers or dig for them anymore I think xD

[burnt ferry]

there is still enough myth around them as far as I understood it, but its only a matter of time until even people as stupid as donald trump realize that its over.. well, he in particular will neve realize anything of course but generally speaking

[silk ocean]

Trump might catch up one day XD

[burnt ferry]

nah.. its like in a youtubers jeopardy format.... ....trump spammed the buzzer so it became his turn, however his competitors already noticed he doesnt know the answer and are all spamming their buzzers already as well, such that as soon as the gamehost unlocks the buzzers, they will get their turn instead 😂

[silk ocean]

Go into Trump's office.... errr err one second I am dishing out tariffs.. err err cough cough let me just exit Satisfactory XD

[peak wasp]

so if as mine outputs at .30, and a constructor at .15, you should make 2, correct?
with a splitter

[silk ocean]

Is this what is known as bullshit bingo? XD

[burnt ferry]

nah.. bullshit bingo is when tech "experts" (aka gamers) talk about tech

[silk ocean]

xD

[silk ocean]

Which recipe?

[burnt ferry]

just read people make assumptions about reasons for bugs... you get an idea why chatgpt and the other models have so much confidence in telling nonsense.... theyve learned from reddit and discord a lot

[silk ocean]

Yea they are trained on a lot of tosh I suspect XD

[burnt ferry]

yep... you may know that stackoverflow meme... thats basically what they learned o nthe most

[silk ocean]

Yea lolz

Train the AI on cats, lots of cats, and soon all responses will be cat-related xD

[sweet plinth]

Finally got the last achievement I was missing

[peak wasp]

uhm concrete

[silk ocean]

Gather 100 hard drives? xD

[peak wasp]

the belt goes to .60, so 1 belt should be enough for 2 constructors

[sweet plinth]

Nah all milestones

[silk ocean]

45 Limestone in --> 15 Concrete out (Constructor) with the standard recipe

[peak wasp]

.30 from node, .15 x 2 constructors

[severe rampart]

About to finally beat the game over here

[silk ocean]

Noice, congrats on 100% xD

[severe rampart]

Need 36 more of the bio chemical thingies

[peak wasp]

I don;'t know how to explain it

what im asking

[severe rampart]

So hyped

[silk ocean]

It's kinda 3 to 1 ratio for the standard recipe

[silk ocean]

The hype train is real, choo choo

[severe rampart]

3 minutes and all of them are made 😳

Now 2

[silk ocean]

So close xD

[severe rampart]

I haven't even made nuclear power yet lol

[silk ocean]

That often comes later xD

While you descend into efficiency-optimization-hell xD

[severe rampart]

1 minute

OTS DONE

[silk ocean]

SUPER CLOSE™

[south lion]

Its finally gonna be a satisfactory night guys😼

[dense violet]

divide the amount of resources you want to process by the rate per min consumed by recipes

that gives you how many machines you need

[severe rampart]

It's been sent to space

[peak wasp]

yup. thought so. thank you

[severe rampart]

This is sick

The space elevator is finally doing something with the big thing above it

[silk ocean]

Space ele is doing SpaceThings

[severe rampart]

This has been the peak of this year for me

[silk ocean]

It is a great moment to reach the final goal, a lot of work

[severe rampart]

126 hours to do it

Last I checked

I need to see the updated one when the credits stop

[silk ocean]

Very well done Sir

or Maam

[severe rampart]

Oh

You can just skip them

[severe rampart]

It's sir

The updated time it's 136 hours

Males since I've literally been playing since I woke up today

[silk ocean]

100-200 hours seems very normal to complete, unless rushing, etc

[severe rampart]

I need nuclear asap tho cus my power is struggling 😭

[silk ocean]

Yea, now a new adventure awaits xD

[severe rampart]

The only thing keeping it afloat is the 100 batteries I have and the fact that most of the late game stations have variable power uses

[silk ocean]

Nuclear, large fuel power plants, upgrades, trainz xD

[silk ocean]

Definitely time to build a global power network XD

[severe rampart]

100k mw is not enough 😭

[silk ocean]

nope need 100 gw xD

[boreal musk]

power storage is not for permanent use

[silk ocean]

It basically just avoids trips

[severe rampart]

Yeah but it keeps me afloat since it's constantly refilling and going down

Badically free power hack lol

[boreal musk]

which is easily solved if you build big enough power plant

[severe rampart]

Yeah I'm getting to that

Just I have zero clue what I'm doing with nuclear power

[silk ocean]

Theoretically you could run a power grid where the generation varies and batteries are temporarily used, but it's a bit squeaky bottom'ish xD

[reef basin]

all the power is "free"

(also it's "power storage", not "batteries" 😉 )

[severe rampart]

There big batteries

Who calls batteries power storage

[modest nest]

Technically speaking none of the power in-game is free because you have to pay for electricity irl to run the game

[severe rampart]

Besides you two

[reef basin]

the game?

(and no, they are not big batteries, they are acumulators or capacitors 😛 )

[silk ocean]

They do look like a giant Duracell xD

[severe rampart]

There just batteries but big

They do the same thing

Therefore big batteries

[reef basin]

they are rechargeable - accumulator

[severe rampart]

They look the same probolly taste the same therefore big battery

[reef basin]

and "battery" is an item 😉

[silk ocean]

Lithium Ion Polymers xD

[severe rampart]

Yep but we can make bigger ones

Like those batteries that use water and gravitational potential energy to power solar powered places at night

[reef basin]

we either make "battery" as an item, or "power storage" as a building (ingame)

[severe rampart]

Anyways

Is ficsoniun worth the effort?

[reef basin]

depending on your definition of "worth" 🙂

[jaunty jewel]

eats a lot of sam

like, a LOT of sam

[severe rampart]

I don't use that much sam so basically if it takes like every sam node I'd be fine

[modest nest]

What does ficsonium even do

[reef basin]

which is the cost for sink-less waste-less nuclear

[severe rampart]

Nuclear power without the waste

[modest nest]

Ah

[jaunty jewel]

eh

[modest nest]

Nah I wanna pollute the planet

[severe rampart]

Fair enough

[jaunty jewel]

idk your gonna want sam for ficsite at the very least

[severe rampart]

I got a good amount of it

[silk ocean]

Seems to be what Humans do best, fly to an ELW, rape and plunder natural resources, build industries, build modern world, fix broken planet xD

[modest nest]

Who said anything about fixing it

[severe rampart]

The thing I'm worried about is my copper

[silk ocean]

Well yea, that bit comes later XD

[modest nest]

Lmao

[severe rampart]

The amount id potentially need to be making the singularity cells for the ficsoniun could be insane tho idk anything about plutoniums waste output

[jaunty jewel]

later....

[jaunty jewel]

1/10th of uranium waste

[silk ocean]

glitch: Earth-Like World

[modest nest]

Ah that wasn't something I'd considered, can I go plutonium at tier 8?

[jaunty jewel]

wait i might be dumb, might be 1/5th

yeah its 1/5th mb

[jaunty jewel]

errr

no thank you

[silk ocean]

Like the world you're playing on Satisfactory, it's an ELW

Lower gravity, sure, that is variable

[jaunty jewel]

oh right, was gonna say, i am not an earth like world

[modest nest]

Man I wish earth had unlimited resources

[jaunty jewel]

very bad idea id say

[silk ocean]

It's an ELW in the sense that it has an atmosphere (not necessarily breathable), flora and fauna, life, water, etc

[modest nest]

My brain is not expanded enough for this, why is it a bad idea

[jaunty jewel]

the world now has unlimited access to a resource. what happens to the economy, and like, everything

[severe rampart]

Looking at the wiki it's actually a 5th but basically each power plant goes into one ficsoniun recipe

[south lion]

Everything would go down

[jaunty jewel]

i did correct myself

[modest nest]

I guess our society is kinda built of the trade of resources and that wouldn't be a thing but we'd also be able to progress much farther if we found a way to overcome that obstacle

[south lion]

It's impossible to overcome that

[modest nest]

But its not like we don't already have problems, it would just give us other problems

[modest nest]

People have said that about a lot of things

[severe rampart]

I didn't notice them due to being in the wiki

[jaunty jewel]

see now you have to realise that with the way the world is, if say resource y was only in country a, and it was very very useful, then well, yeah

that country now has every other country wanting it

[modest nest]

Yeah some borders would probably end up changing

[jaunty jewel]

some

[modest nest]

Is that such a big cost though?

[jaunty jewel]

its impossible for all 8 billion people on this planet to get along so we would have a lot of problems

[modest nest]

Yeah but we already do, it would be the same but different and with unlimited resources

[jaunty jewel]

??

what do you mean we already do

yes we have problems but not every country is at each others neck, a few are sure

[modest nest]

Yeah and probably some countries leadership would be mature enough to still not be at each other's throats

[jaunty jewel]

yeah...

[modest nest]

If everyone just wanted everything we would already be gone

[jaunty jewel]

suurely

[jaunty jewel]

thats why trading exists, finite resources can be traded for stuff in return

infinite resources have 0 value

[modest nest]

Then we would trade other things, labor, knowledge

[peak wasp]

should I focus on unlocking everything before trying to make the base tidy?

[modest nest]

Yeah fair enough, probably should be talking about satisfactory

[jaunty jewel]

define unlocking everything

[peak wasp]

all the build stuff, like tiers

[dense violet]

your needs will constantly change, just keep moving forward

[jaunty jewel]

idk i wouldnt recommend going to tier 9 with messy production

[modest nest]

Uhh personally I get foundations unlocked and build a mini but organized factory for the starting stuff like plates, rods, concrete, wire, cable that kinda stuff

And then just keep building mini factories

[jaunty jewel]

this is pretty much handicapping yourself for no reason

you can do it if you want to, but itll make things harder on yourself

[peak wasp]

like I have everything on a foundation

[jaunty jewel]

thats great

[peak wasp]

but do I need optimal space/efficiency?

[jaunty jewel]

no

the map is absolutely massive and you will only run out of resources if you try to

and remmeber there is verticaility too

[peak wasp]

yup

[reef basin]

you won't ever run of space
and "efficiency" can mean practically anything

[dense violet]

you also , realistically, cannot use all the resources on the map.

[jaunty jewel]

"cheapest" way to make an item can be defined in multiple ways

[peak wasp]

one more question, if I want to automate bolts, I have miner > ore > constructor > storage, how can I fit another constructor in front of the first, but switch to not make bolts

[modest nest]

And don't forget about verticallity but be aware that it can have an affect on your performance if too many machines are in such a small area

[jaunty jewel]

cheapest in power, cheapest in copper/iron/other resource, least machines (lumped in power ig? but overclocking/slooping)

[modest nest]

Screws?

[jaunty jewel]

wdym by switch to not make bolts

[peak wasp]

so it's like, mine > make the iron > make the part > storage

[peak wasp]

yeah

[dense violet]

leave space for it?

[jaunty jewel]

if you mean you want to continue making rods, just go to another node

[peak wasp]

so I need 2 constructors to make bolts

[modest nest]

Check in the hub upgrades, should be like basic logistics or something, gives you conveyor splitters and mergers

[peak wasp]

oh ok better have 1 node for 1 material?

[modest nest]

It's in tier 1

[peak wasp]

I have those

[exotic pilot]

is there a way to see what recipes that are the best for that thing or is it just intuition

[jaunty jewel]

not necessarily no, but in the very very eaarly game it might be the only thing you can do

[reef basin]

better to have the amount of nodes you need to make the desired amount

[modest nest]

Ok hook up the splitter after the smelter and feed it into two constructors making two different parts, but I wouldn't recommend doing that

[reef basin]

what is "best" depends on your preferences, there are no generic "good" or "bad" recipes

[modest nest]

Biocoal?

[exotic pilot]

but like for the material and power

[reef basin]

yeah

[peak wasp]

that makes sense I did that to max concrete making on 1 node, split into 2 constructors

[exotic pilot]

i dont really care about power rn since i have way too much

[jaunty jewel]

itll have some niche use lol

[modest nest]

Next up on my list is nuclear power, I only have like 2k mw available

[peak wasp]

IU just unlocked assembly

[reef basin]

that doesn't make it easier to decide... recipes cheap on power usually cost more resources and vice versa
and "resources" also depends on which resources you have plenty of or lack of, which depends on location where you build

as I said, it depends on a lot of parameters

[reef basin]

fyi, the proper unit is "GW", not "kMW"

[grave panther]

my character is fully stuck what can I do?

[modest nest]

Ah right I only have 2gw available

[exotic pilot]

if you have like every node on the map and dont care about power what are the best

[modest nest]

Esc > respawn it'll make a crate with everything in your inventory in it

[reef basin]

still depends on your preferences

[grave panther]

thanks

[exotic pilot]

whatever

[reef basin]

that's like asking "you have all ingredients in the world, what food is the best"

[exotic pilot]

ermm actually

[reef basin]

each person will have their own personal best, many will agree on best food, but there's no generic best

[jaunty jewel]

how i set up my early game iron plate/screw/rods production is
node -> smelter -> constructor -> storage (iron plates)
node -> smelter -> splitter -> iron rod -> merger -> storage (rods)
-> iron rod -> splitter^ -> screw -> storage (screws)

[modest nest]

Some of them are designed to save power, some to use less resources use what's good for you

[exotic pilot]

what are some that are obviously better

[modest nest]

None

[jaunty jewel]

heavy encased frame

[modest nest]

Or that

[reef basin]

no recipe is "alwyas" better

[modest nest]

I like steel screws most of the time

[jaunty jewel]

oh boy, screws

[modest nest]

1x steel beam > 52 screws

[peak wasp]

hey thanks for the tip, great idea

[modest nest]

Screws galoree

[cursive crane]

Pure iron/copper recipes are useful.

Basically just water and ore to almost double the ingots

But in exchange you are using more power and need to figure out pipes and use refineries

[reef basin]

also, "better" can mean anything, "uses less iron" or "uses less power" or "uses fewer types of resources" or "is less complex", etc etc.

[exotic pilot]

k

[modest nest]

Last time I made a mini factory that needed screws I forgot to set my modeller to use the alt recipes and didn't bother to change it ha

[jaunty jewel]

thanks, i wouldnt exactly recommend just taking directly from other people, its always good to learn by yourself, hopefully you can see the thought process behind this setup

[jaunty jewel]

some people prefer alloy recipes

[reef basin]

and some prefer defaults or leached 🤷

[exotic pilot]

isnt there an alt recipe that uses iron ingot for screws?

[reef basin]

yes, there is

[jaunty jewel]

yes and its imo the worst screw recipe

[exotic pilot]

how

!wikisearch screws

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=screws

[jaunty jewel]

only use case imo is in the early game before steel

[modest nest]

It's good early game, cuts out a production step

[jaunty jewel]

once you unlock steel screws / steel rod theres no point to using cast screws unless you need a very small amount (which is basically never)

[exotic pilot]

but isnt it better than the normal recipe

[jaunty jewel]

no, because there are alt rod recipes

[reef basin]

not always

in vacuum, yes.
but as soon as you start introducing other recipes, no

[cursive crane]

While its good for earlier game, pure iron is better in terms of resource efficiency, water is easy to get a lot of, as long as you have the space and power, its a lot better

Source: i just switched from a 2500ingot alloy factory to a 9000 ingot pure factory

[reef basin]

and comparing in vacuum is a mistake many people do

[exotic pilot]

huh

[jaunty jewel]

in fact steel ingot -> steel rod -> screws is the most iron efficient way to make screws

[exotic pilot]

oh

[reef basin]

since recipes have many advantages when combined

[jaunty jewel]

steel screws is also a really good alternative becuase it has high machine output so it uses low power too

[reef basin]

(hence why there's no "good" or "bad" recipes - it all depends on how you combine them and what preferences you have, ... as I said above 😉 )

[exotic pilot]

uhm most effiecient

[reef basin]

how do you define "efficient"?

[exotic pilot]

makes the most per minute

[jaunty jewel]

sir efficiency is defined by the player and so only you can know the best recipes

[reef basin]

most per minute per recipe? that's just recipe output

[exotic pilot]

i give up

[cursive crane]

Efficient in resources, efficient in power, efficient in space

Most people mean resource efficiency

[exotic pilot]

you guys know too much

[reef basin]

by that definition, the most efficient recipe is "Biomass (Alient Protein)", because it makes 1500/min

[cursive crane]

They overcomplicate this by always having to redefine efficiency. Ignore them

[reef basin]

how useful is that metric? practically not at all

[reef basin]

that's because every person means something different by "efficient"

so I'm asking them what the efficiency is they are talking about

[modest nest]

How can you help someone without knowing what they want

[exotic pilot]

its scary being in this discord server

people are too smart

[modest nest]

I'm glad this server doesn't have the lack of braincells like I see in some discords

[cursive crane]

You can ask them what they want without pulling out a dictionary and scaring them away by condescending to them

Really just makes you look like an asshole and makes people not want to play the game

[modest nest]

Literally all we asked was his definition of efficiency

[jaunty jewel]

i mean, asking a vague question like "what is the most efficient recipe" isnt going to get a good response

[exotic pilot]

i just wanted to ask what i thought was a simple question now im questioning more things

[exotic pilot]

nuh uh

its funny but confusing

[jaunty jewel]

what do you mean pulling out a dictionary lol? i dont think any of us are being condescending either

[modest nest]

Nothing in this game is simple

[exotic pilot]

what does condescending mean..

[jaunty jewel]

as if we are looking down on you

[exotic pilot]

k

[cursive crane]

con·de·scend·ing
/ˌkändəˈsendiNG/
adjective
having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority.

[exotic pilot]

/ˌkändəˈsendiNG/.

[reef basin]

don't take this the wrong way (like some people do) - we're trying to help you. But it's the same as if you asked me to pick you a car to buy - I'd need to hear what do you want from said car. Maybe you want to go fast on highways and don't care about how much it costs. Maybe you want a family car with large storage space. Maybe you want a small cheap car for city, and need just two seats. Maybe you want a truck to haul farming equipment.

The same applies for Satisfactory. Maybe you want to save iron. Maybe you want to save power. Maybe you have excess copper on location and want to use it somehow to boost other resources. Maybe you don't want to build complex things and would like simple recipes. Maybe you'd like to remove a certain item from a production line.

And since there's tons of those preferences, my general response is to just tell people to look at the recipes themselves and decide for themselves. It gives you much more insight into what recipes are available and what they can do than if someone told you "just use recipe X and Y", then you wouldn't look at anything else (and maybe the other recipes would actually be better for your specific use-case).

[jaunty jewel]

yeah thats like the phonetic (?) alphabet version

[modest nest]

Reminds me of count dookus signature look of superiority

[jaunty jewel]

this is a good analogy i would say

[cursive crane]

Yall say efficiency is hard to define like 99% of the time they arent asking about getting machines running more, or getting more materials out of a recipe. Thats not hard to understand and every day you have this conversation it turns people away and only serves to confuse people even more.

[dense violet]

there's no single path to make things in this game that is 'best'. Unlike other games.

[jaunty jewel]

what are they talking about in terms of efficiency?

[exotic pilot]

holy yap i read the first sentence idc i dont give up i just am gonna stop asking the question bc it doesnt really matter that much

[jaunty jewel]

if you say "least amount of resources for most output" or something similar then

[reef basin]

yes, most of the time people ask about "resource efficiency". But that still is very vague - do they value oil more than coal? Does their location have enough copper?

[jaunty jewel]

this was the point i was about to make ^

[modest nest]

If this turns you away this isn't the game for you, the game is designed to make you think

[dense violet]

it matters a lot

but if you can't even read a couple paragraphs for hte 'effort' of it then you were never going to put in the effort in the game

[reef basin]

that's also a valid approach - you can get all the recipes anyway, so you're not losing on anything if you pick a "wrong" recipe

[exotic pilot]

i hate reading man

[jaunty jewel]

all recipes are valid for something at the very least, go on the wiki if you want to check the different ones you havent unlocked, compare them in a planner (like sftools or modeler), do maths yourself and check which one saves on the resource you want to save the most (or power)

[exotic pilot]

nahh ima wing it

[jaunty jewel]

thats a way you can do it too

[exotic pilot]

then ill do the maths

bc thats the only thing i can sorta do

[reef basin]

experimentation usually leads to best results indeed 😉 try a recipe, see if you're happy with it, search for alternatives if you're not

[jaunty jewel]

i was a firm believer in cast screw supremacy but i later changed my mind because i realised how much screw output i was missing out on

some people completely avoid screws - and thats completely fine

[exotic pilot]

wait you can just avoid screws

[jaunty jewel]

not through the whole game no

[reef basin]

(although I wouldn't recommend "avoid screws for the sake of avoiding screws", if you have reasons for it, sure, but don't do it just because someone told you screws are bad)

[keen oriole]

If you want to decide what recipe is the best for you it has to be based on things like where you’re building what things you want to build and what resources you’re already using in the area as well as what you’re already building there

[exotic pilot]

ik

[cursive crane]

Screws are a struggle until you get higher output belts thats support their mass production, but by then you get alt recipes for basically everything they are needed for that use other/less resources and you never need them again

[modest nest]

If you can avoid screws for the timebeing and that works for you do it

[jaunty jewel]

and besides, whats the fun in playing a game if your playing it with just the meta? some people might like that sure but i feel like with a sandbox youve never played before thats a very 2d way to play it

[sand pasture]

hey how many AU people are in this discord

cause i struggle to find someone to play with thats AU

[jaunty jewel]

thats like impossible to answer lol

[exotic pilot]

i really wanna maximise ionized fuel even tho i dont have it yet

[reef basin]

the most common reason people avoid screws is "you needs tons of it and don't have fast belt", which is kinda false, as you can just build screws in front of the machine that needs the screws, and then you very rarely go over max belt speed

[cursive crane]

No real way to tell, can try posting or searching for other posts that mention it in #1201555265942724758

[exotic pilot]

just for the funnies

[sand pasture]

yeah sorry

[modest nest]

Idk to be fair people in this discord can go too far sometimes, last time I asked about alt recipes I started getting flamed for not knowing what I was going to use while being at tier 4, when all I asked was "what recipes do you guys use for this" I was going to look at what other people used and decide myself but instead I got flamed for asking

[exotic pilot]

im australian

[sand pasture]

just really want someone to play with cause im really struggling

[sand pasture]

do you wanna play?

[exotic pilot]

dont got much time

[modest nest]

But also at the same time it is necessary to have information in order to help

[jaunty jewel]

i agree completely , if that is what you asked then theres no reason for people to give the response we did - you are merely asking what recipe people use not what the "best" is

[reef basin]

the problem is that if you'd ask me "what do you use for X", it would depend on a lot of factors 😉

[exotic pilot]

crazy

[modest nest]

I wasn't really caring, I just wanted to see what people were using, then as I said I was going to compare and see if it worked for me

[jaunty jewel]

this is also true, my cast screws thing is probably a good example - cast screws early, steel rod -> default for the rest of the game i suppose, maybe alu beam -> steel screw or something idk

[peak wasp]

thanks I don't have ladders yet, my base is a bit of a mess
for screws off one node, do I do,
mine > ore > split into 2 constructors > merge into one storage > constructor screws > storage?

[shy mulch]

Hey guys I'm new here can anyone tell me what's the best button to press on my keyboard and how many times it's best to press it, or should I hold it down? Thanks

[reef basin]

yeah that's fair, it's just that my answer would most likely be "any of the exsiting recipes, depending on situation", which is hardly a useful answer to you 😄

[jaunty jewel]

how much ore are you starting with?

[cursive crane]

Alt+f4

Repeatedly

[peak wasp]

I got 2 iron next to one another

[modest nest]

Yeah so you should find it to a keybind where you have to press 15 different keys and then press it forever

[jaunty jewel]

well different nodes have different purities

[peak wasp]

ohhh

[modest nest]

Yeah but it would've been better than getting flamed

[jaunty jewel]

and how much of that are you going to use for screws?

[shy mulch]

I was just about to buy the winning lottery ticket and now I closed the window, thanks 🙁 🙁

[exotic pilot]

bound it too your mouse mhm yes

[sand pasture]

impure 100% | normal 200% | pure 300%

[modest nest]

Add on to last message : whatever you used in your most recent save in that situation

[reef basin]

did I flame you in the past? 🤔 I get that I often come up with something that people may see as a non-answer, but I don't think I've ever flamed anyone 🤔

[peak wasp]

I don't know, both mines impure.

[sand pasture]

hey chickendog

[modest nest]

I don't know, I don't think so but maybe I try to forget who does and not hold grudges

[exotic pilot]

ya

[peak wasp]

should i just do rod/pl;ate?

[grave panther]

if I want to take items out of my dimensional depot can I take less then a stack at a time?

[peak wasp]

and made the screws by hand?

[sand pasture]

do you wanna play a new world with me?

[reef basin]

usually people don't use "node" as a metric, rather just items/min

[cursive crane]

A lot better answer than "explain a dictionary definetion" every time someone asks "what do you use for x" is usually just an answer.

"I use x because it tends to save me more space and prevent a headache later on"

[jaunty jewel]

i wouldnt recommend that

[sand pasture]

im fairly new but i really just wanna play with someone

[exotic pilot]

cant school is too much

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[peak wasp]

30 a minute?

[sand pasture]

greeny ive been trying to find people in my region mate but its really difficult

[reef basin]

my last save was in 2019, so probably not relevant 😛

[jaunty jewel]

since my previous example used 60 ore/min to get 20 plates, 20 rods and 40 screws /min you could do that if you wanted

[reef basin]

and #1201555265942724758 is your best bet

[sand pasture]

ik

[modest nest]

Ah, yeah, holy dude why are you still here haha

I respect it but good lord

[peak wasp]

off one node?

[silk ocean]

How do I remove this wreck in #screenshots ?

[peak wasp]

im confused

[cursive crane]

You just posted an hour ago, and you didnt even mention your AU requirement. Make sure to include that stuff to interest others.

[jaunty jewel]

hold on

[exotic pilot]

its only been an hour

[sand pasture]

oh ok mb

[reef basin]

I help people here? 😄

[modest nest]

But why and how can you have fun helping when not playing yourself?

[exotic pilot]

isnt the oceania region good enough

[jaunty jewel]

i edited it for 2 impure nodes (totalling 60/min ore)

[reef basin]

not much time to play

[peak wasp]

should I use an assembler for bolts?

[jaunty jewel]

assemblers combine two parts into one

[reef basin]

*screws, and they are not made in assembler 😉

[modest nest]

Ah fair enough

[cursive crane]

Mb didnt see the tag... which ig is a good reason to include it in the post lol

Could be worth just searching for others that have posted with that tag then as well.

Sort> match all tags > select tags> oceana. There was someone else who posted less than a day ago.
Respond to them
Wrong person to respond to
@sand pasture

[silk ocean]

Re-railed it

[modest nest]

Did it not just let you press f and disassemble?

[peak wasp]

i got you now

i get it

[silk ocean]

Only option was to re-rail as far as I could tell

I didn't apply S+Brake soon enough xD

S+Space

[exotic pilot]

GUYS

[modest nest]

Ya?

[exotic pilot]

its left hand day

[silk ocean]

As in celebrate if you were born with a left hand?

or left hand uses WSAD+E/F etc

What about right hand day, Mouse Day

[exotic pilot]

huh

[exotic pilot]

ew right handed people are weird

[modest nest]

My dad uses a right handed mouse with his left hand, I've told him about left handed mice but no

[jaunty jewel]

imagine opening the fridge and it opens into you

[exotic pilot]

i just angered 90% of the population

[exotic pilot]

nuh uh

[silk ocean]

So Left Hand day could also be Mouse Day and Right Hand day could be WSAD+E/F day in reverse

[exotic pilot]

i use normal keyboar

not left

i think i just turned this into the offtopic channel

[silk ocean]

What happens if you are ambidexterous, is there a Multi-Hand Day

[exotic pilot]

idk

idk hte lore of the dominant hand days

[silk ocean]

A Non-Specific Left/Right Hand Day to Celebrate Non-Defined Hands Day

[reef basin]

longer response
when the game came out, I've made a small excel sheet to calculate production for me and a friend, however friend stopped playing soon after and as I expanded on the sheet, it instead became a website I've published and shared here. People then started giving me suggestions and feedback, so I kept expanding the website with little time to play. Eventually it became the thing I'm doing here most of the time - helping people (mostly with math and such) and making tools for players and such (another example other than the web Tools could be part of the wiki runs on data created by scripts that I write).

[exotic pilot]

only international left hand day bc left hand the best

[modest nest]

Ayyy hell yeah

[silk ocean]

Left hand is good if you are right-handed for use on the keyb, but if left handed, then maybe not, and ironically your left-hand celebratory day is celebrating the use of the left hand in a right-handed scenario? xD

[jaunty jewel]

my guy what is the need for the nerd reaction

[digital turret]

Hello!

[exotic pilot]

very obviously a reason

[digital turret]

I was thinking about getting satisfactory but I'm not sure if a lot of people play it?

I prefer engineering with buddies

[jaunty jewel]

its in the top 100 most played steam games by concurrent players i believe

[digital turret]

oh dang!

[jaunty jewel]

currently 70th

[digital turret]

Alright I got it

[reef basin]

I always wonder what people think when they ask in an official discord server of game X if they should get X.

Like... people that are in the discord are most likely the ones that will be happy with the game and tell you to get it 😛

[digital turret]

does anyone want to teach me the game?? or is it a figure out on your own thing?

[exotic pilot]

figure it out probably

ada got you dw

[digital turret]

I knew i wanted it i just wanted approval on it

plus response time tells me if the game is dead or not

[reef basin]

generally I'd recommend learning the game on your own and coming here only if you're trully stuck or have finished the game (same goes for online tutorials and videos, skip them for now)

[jaunty jewel]

id recommend learning by yourself or you could learn with friends (which is what i did)

[digital turret]

okaayy

[exotic pilot]

i just played with my friend who bullied me into getting satisfactory

[jaunty jewel]

i mean thats pretty much what happened to me

[silk ocean]

Steam/Epic -> Purchase.. Naow xD

[exotic pilot]

now i like it more than him and keep begging to play hte world

[jaunty jewel]

thats also what happened to me!

[exotic pilot]

lol

happens to every game

[jaunty jewel]

now he wont play it with me and hes still never seen phase 5

[exotic pilot]

i ahvent seen phase 5

[jaunty jewel]

"you know too much" not my fault you stopped playing

[exotic pilot]

i know too little

[reef basin]

playing with friends is fine, but don't play with friends who know the game, you won't learn much that way 😛

[exotic pilot]

whoopsies

he only got to phase 3 in 100+h tho

[silk ocean]

Steam that is xD

[austere lichen]

So? I'm enjoying my phase 3 building tangents and I'm 200h into the save

[steady cedar]

And don't join a late game server with a friend who is obsessed with using every resource in the map to make the biggest nuke factory possible and makes you do half of the work
(That was my experience)

[exotic pilot]

OH NAHH

[austere lichen]

It's not a race

[limpid cairn]

Guys

[jaunty jewel]

again whats the issue with that

[limpid cairn]

When I use a valve with a gas is it basically like a pump ?

[exotic pilot]

depends if its first save or not

[shy mulch]

I can't play collab on games like this, strictly solo only. I find my friends and I all have different play styles that just aren't compatible. I'd rather play a separate game each and just talk about it

[jaunty jewel]

gasses do not need pumps at all

oh i had a tired moment oops

[reef basin]

don't use valves, ever

[jaunty jewel]

yeah that pretty much

[shy mulch]

I have a save that's over 200h and is still in phase 0 🙂

[boreal musk]

their game, their rule
theres ppl with thousands of hours that doesnt even finish the game yet

[limpid cairn]

Only for gases or also liquids ?

[jaunty jewel]

it literally does not matter

[exotic pilot]

but like....

[jaunty jewel]

satisfactory is a sandbox

[reef basin]

ever 🙂
nothing needs valves

[exotic pilot]

afk city

[limpid cairn]

Are you real?

[silk ocean]

If playing in sandbox mode XD

[shy mulch]

nope, zero afk time

[jaunty jewel]

now im very interested, what did you do for that long

[reef basin]

?

[exotic pilot]

are you build a mega factory of iron plates??

[jaunty jewel]

i think he just means like are you being for real? im not sure

[steady cedar]

I usually just play with one other friend and we each take separate things to do
I do all the factory building and he works on settings up a massive train network throughout the map

[shy mulch]

collected sloops, spheres, materials from crash sites, completed most of the MAM, built nice looking factories for basic stuff, collected lots of doggos

[jaunty jewel]

i take it you got most if not all sloops/spheres

[shy mulch]

not "most" but enough to do the research and build a couple of alien power augmenters 😄

[steady cedar]

There should be an achievement for taming more then 50 doggos

[exotic pilot]

yes

sadly half of my doggos got consumed by the ground

[jaunty jewel]

this would be a steam achievement manager achievement for me