satisfactory

[gritty sleet]

Didn't the rifle used to have a dangly keychain on it at one point?

[cosmic laurel]

can satisfactory modelor pick optimal recipies or do you need to know before hand

[gritty sleet]

Use Satisfactory Tools instead

[dense violet]

modeler is manual, it's a layout designer rather tha na planner

[gilded goblet]

did they change pipes? because I have pipes going straight up (yes I have pumps on it, they said it'd go up but it isn't)

[fair salmon]

anyone else been stuck in the cave coming out in dessert

[dense violet]

they have not

[dense violet]

you can try showing what you're doing in a #1038092680493801533 post

[quiet gust]

no

[quiet gust]

( or scim if you hate yourself and doing math well)

[gritty sleet]

I did use SCIM for quite a while before moving to ST

[quiet gust]

or satisfactory logistics if its anything nuclear bc tools doesnt process fuel rod to waste

[dense violet]

oh no, having to input the waste you make 😛

[sinful zodiac]

I only ever use SCIM for inspiration. I like putting in what I want. seeing the suggestion. and going. no I can do that better

[quiet gust]

it can make a difference depending how you want to plan in terms of simplicity

[dense violet]

how? it's just another bubble.

you probably want to make 2 distinct plans instead of doing rods and plu rods in the same plan

[quiet gust]

ehhhhh

[sinful zodiac]

Besisdes I like Maths. I actually go tto use a ratio formula I like the other day and it made me so DANG HAPPY!!

[gritty sleet]

I did both uranium and plutonium fuel at the same time, just had to separately calculate how much waste the uranium made and set that as an input.

[quiet gust]

i have never used tools for logistics ivve always done optimizing recipes, i just do it in my head, for a time i did all my logistics on paper

[sinful zodiac]

big same pen and paper logistics is sooo satisfying

[quiet gust]

yeah until you do the math wrong kekw

[sinful zodiac]

Yeah but then you get to TROUBLESHOOT and that's almost more fun than the initial maths. (but I'm a weirdo who enjoys debugging code more than writing it)

[distant pulsar]

I'm convinced anyone who really likes satisfactory would do well in any career related to software or hardware engineering, math, statistics, etc

it's all the same type: visual/spatial and abstract reasoning, systems thinking, math

[quiet gust]

i could however im using my spaggetti skills so ic an be a chef

[distant pulsar]

amazing if true hahaha

[quiet gust]

partially true

im in cullinary school

[distant pulsar]

Well I think I can see how it relates. A kitchen is a system, inputs/ouputs with some work in the middle like a factory haha

[sinful zodiac]

The combination of this comment and your display name has me cackling.

[dense violet]

it's a lot easier to break out layouts with smaller, distinct plans

[quiet gust]

wym

[prisma yoke]

wait is the reason why people do those nutty huge overcomplicated train junctions so that the rails dont clip into eachother. I only just realized that might be the case. I just as⁠sumed they were doing it to overcomplicate things or something but I made a simple level 4 way junction for 2 parallel rails and im realizing it looks pretty weird with all the rails clipping together

[dense violet]

instead of a giant web to try to unknot, smaller plans that you can break down into groups better

[quiet gust]

oh, i just deal with THE WEB

[dense violet]

easy to just not 😛

[vague sparrow]

AHH, you can't copy 1m display settings to 0.5m ones?!?!

[quiet gust]

no

[vague sparrow]

What a pain lmao

[quiet gust]

that would be goofy and cause weird interactions

[dense violet]

do any of the size signs transfer to dif ones?

[vague sparrow]

It's just empty background with colour though

[quiet gust]

yeah but what if it wasnt

its kinda the same reason you cant copy iron wire form a constructor to a manufacturer

[vague sparrow]

Fair enough, that makes sense

Just copy colour codes I guess, somehow the red stays orange though, even thought it's the same code -.-

[gritty sleet]

It occurred to me that the game doesn't have the cliche "volcano biome" like a lot of open world games do

[cosmic laurel]

why do my dismntale crates keep showing up in weird spots

[gritty sleet]

Or a snow biome for that matter

[gritty sleet]

You have the combine setting turned on

[cosmic laurel]

but that just puts new dismantle crate stuff into existing? this is spawning my dismantle crates nowhere near where im dismtanling even if there isnt a crate

[gritty sleet]

Yeah, but I think it also causes the dismantle crates to spawn in weird places

[cosmic laurel]

ah gotcha

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message well I did it by hand, guess that works fine 😛

[gilded goblet]

why do some pumps have like 9m+ headlift and some have 0.0-0.5

[vague sparrow]

Depends on the placement and how fillled the pipes are iirc

[teal axle]

anyone know of anything i can do clientside to alleviate desync on a dedicated server?

[gilded goblet]

theres 5.2m^3 in my pipe and I have a mk2 pump with 0.2 headroom

i dont know why the fuck it's so low

[vague sparrow]

5.2 out of 5.2 or 5.2 out of 72.5?

[gilded goblet]

wdym

[vague sparrow]

Like, pipes are like their own buffer too

[gilded goblet]

mhm

[vague sparrow]

it show's current amount xxx/xxx

[gilded goblet]

flow rate?

[vague sparrow]

to the right of that

[gilded goblet]

max flow rate?

[vague sparrow]

one more

[gilded goblet]

or headlift

recommended is 50m^3

[vague sparrow]

it should be 50/50

[gilded goblet]

lemme send you a screenshot are your dms open

[vague sparrow]

ya dm me

[gilded goblet]

js so we're not spamming the server

[sturdy jacinth]

stitched iron plates, wet concrete, or neither?

[gritty sleet]

I love stitched

I use it every time I have to make reinforced iron plates

[dense violet]

both are very useful

[sullen gull]

Hold on to, or re-scan the ones you are unsure of. There are more than enough hard drives on the map, and each recipe is useful in it's own right.

[gritty sleet]

(Except for biocoal...)

[sullen gull]

Some may argue that biocoal can be useful. It's all about personal play style.

[dense violet]

how else do you meake uranium rods from pigs?

[gritty sleet]

Also technically all coal is biocoal tbh. Just very, very old "bio".

[peak wasp]

any computer experts in here could help me figure out if a laptop with dedicated graphics, 16gigs of ram and an amd ryzen can run this game late tier at max settings?

Idk what dedicated graphics means for laptops but I assume it's not much power

[gritty sleet]

You'd really have to know more-specific specs to have any hope of judging relative power

[peak wasp]

Yeah that's the problem with all these cheaper laptops they're all integrated graphics

[dense violet]

It might run it at low settings with very small end game factories

satisfactory is a hog

[gritty sleet]

"Dedicated" GPU typically implies a proper GPU, versus integrated

[peak wasp]

I might get a high end laptop so I can play satisfactory last of us 2 and other games on it but idk what gpus I'd need

I don't really care if it's not over 1080p

[dense violet]

something equivalent to a 3070gtx will get reasonable results with what you're asking. But I'd get a desk top. You'll pay 2x as much for not as good with a laptop

[gritty sleet]

Yeah you'd really need more-specific model numbers. "Dedicated graphics" and "AMD Ryzen" could be describing something from 2017

[peak wasp]

I have a desktop currently but it's 5 years old and I might be mobile for a while so I won't be able to use it

should I try a 3080?

[gritty sleet]

My desktop 3080 has been great

Laptop 3080 will be weaker, due to thermal limitations

[peak wasp]

Can it run all your games you play?

[gritty sleet]

Yeah, but I don't play AAAs

[peak wasp]

Well I don't really either, outside some ps5 ports

I really want spiderman 2 and last of us 2

but I can't run them on my 2070 rn

[gritty sleet]

I dunno about those, haven't played them

[sick dragon]

So i went with refined power modular generators for my 4k rocket fuel... idk if im regretting it yet or not lol

[peak wasp]

That's a lot of rocket fuel, how much power do you get

[sick dragon]

Idk yet lol

[gritty sleet]

Isn't that like close to 1000 regular fuel gens?

[sick dragon]

But im at 17k and I haven't even used 1 pipe of 400 a minute soooo

[peak wasp]

Iirc rf burns at 4.2 per minute

[gritty sleet]

4.16667

[peak wasp]

basically

[sick dragon]

Yes regular fuel gens it's nearly 1k

[peak wasp]

4k per minute or second?

[sick dragon]

Minute

[peak wasp]

Not bad I can't remember how much I got I turned a full 600 oil node into rf with alternate recipes must have got 144 gws

[sick dragon]

Would be 666.7 modular generators

[gritty sleet]

I skipped rocket fuel entirely, because it felt too easy and I also didn't want to build that many fuel gens

[peak wasp]

I mean, true, but it's so much power at least one oil node should cover your entire game right

[sick dragon]

I basically made it a goal that I would use all the oil in the blue crater for power

[gritty sleet]

If you're into that much piping. I'm going right from 10x 200% overclocked fuel gens on normal fuel (and my 2.4 GW coal plant, and a ton of geothermal) right to nuclear

[peak wasp]

I think I did that in one game and got about 40 gws out of one of the alt recipes

[sick dragon]

And that's 1800 of it. The last 600 is going to be used for packaged rocket fuel for my drones

[peak wasp]

I'm already at a part in my new world where I have to re build stuff cause I screwed it up you need to plan everything perfectly

[sick dragon]

Once I have enough gens to where im equal in current production im tearing apart the current turbofuel plant I have going to make room for this monstrosity

I didn't exactly put the chimneys and steam cooling towers efficiently but I did make a blueprint allowing me to place a system of 3 generators at once so it does speed things up

[peak wasp]

do you make proper buildings for factories or do layers of sandwich factories until it lines up

[sick dragon]

Proper buildings

I still need to do a decorative pass

The rocket fuel portion is barebones at the moment. But the hor fuel and turbo fuel sections are done with maybe a final decorative pass. The pipework for the turbo fuel and rocket fuel looks like a nightmare so I ain't even gonna make that walkable. Marvel at the exterior not interior 😛

Been a week on this project

I also installed small awesome sinks because God i hate the awesome sinks being massive and then forget to plan for it in my building

[sullen gull]

I can't seem to get past the habit of building inside out. Which sucks. Because once I have all the machines laid out and connected, I've no clue what to do to enclose it all that,s "decorative" enough lol.

[hot ermine]

Hey guys is there a good site to look for blueprints?

[sick dragon]

Honestly kinda what I do. And I use Google for inspiration

Scim. Satisfsctoryblueprints.com

I prefer scim

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory-calculator and Satisfactoryblueprints dot com

[stone python]

i slap a box around it and call it good. if i cant see it, then its terrible design doesn't exist

[hot ermine]

okay thank you

[sullen gull]

Heh, did that enough the first few play throughs. Wanting to become more "artistic" in the latter runs

[gritty sleet]

I build the fancy part as I build the factory, or it'd never get done

[sick dragon]

Honestly that's not a terrible start

Box it up. Then mess around with it

Open a space here, add a pillar there

[sinful zodiac]

Whew 18 hard drives l;ater I finally got the pure Aluminum ingot recipe!

[gritty sleet]

Fixing it later is also a lot harder when the factory isn't in a box at any point: #design-and-architecture message

[sullen gull]

Heh. One run it got it almost immediately. This current run it took over 25 for sure lol

[sick dragon]

I'm starting to think I should waited for the alternate rocket fuel recipe tbh

Too late now

[sullen gull]

Mass exploration early on can play out quite well.

[sick dragon]

Its time for bed though. The go to bed at a decent time satisfsctory challenge

After I fix this factory...

[sullen gull]

I should do the same. On the road for work atm though and dont feel like going into the hotel yet 😏

Trying to mess around on the steamdeck, but been a bit spoiled with the desktop at home and feeling a bit "wanting" lol

[sinful zodiac]

Cool I have sloppy alumina pure aluminium and diluted fuel. any other goated recipies I should be holding out on scanning my harddrives for? I'm in phase 4 and have not unlocked nuclear power yet.

[sullen gull]

I mean, HOR is the only one that springs mind. But, given youre that far, i assume you have it.

[gritty sleet]

I really like steeled frame + encased industrial pipe + heavy encased frame. Makes HMF take a lot less precursors, mainly just a ton of steel pipe and some concrete.

[sullen gull]

The pure ingot recipes are nice.

[sinful zodiac]

HOR?

[sullen gull]

Pure iron, copper, caterium

[sullen gull]

Heavy oil residue.

[gritty sleet]

The alt that turns oil into a bunch of HOR and polymer resin

Great when combined with diluted fuel

[sinful zodiac]

OH!

Yeah!

[gritty sleet]

Iron wire is great too

And iron pipe

[sinful zodiac]

actually no I have one that turns oil to fuel and resin

[gritty sleet]

That one's fine too, but the oil->HOR is perfectly matched with the diluted fuel one that turns HOR+water into fuel.

[sinful zodiac]

that sounds bangin I shall look for it

[gritty sleet]

If you're looking to combo things, "recycled rubber" and "recycled plastic" can also go good with the oil->HOR->fuel setup, and use the polymer resin from HOR to make more rubber and/or plastic to jumpstart/boost the recycled plastic/rubber.

Here's a diagram of my oil refinery using all those alts: #math-and-meta message

[trim vine]

@sullen gull

Started a new save that will run on nuclear, wish me luck

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-hockey-kid-yeah-cheering-gif-4478851357136944344

[trim vine]

https://tenor.com/view/cheer-up-lets-go-ganbatte-gif-12752318

[sullen gull]

I'm old man, I dont get these anime thingamabobs 😏

Ok, anyhow, had maybe a bit too much fun at the local pool hall here and must try to sleep lol.

[exotic pilot]

How’s it goin chat

[wraith finch]

does anyone else have high gpu use in this game? even if i set the lowest resolution and lowest graphics, my card is still at ~90% use and the fans are going crazy, its really annoying

[spice patio]

100% GPU usage would be the norm without frame rate limiter or like in use.
Not exception.

If there isn't CPU or RAM side limitation in play, or driver issues.

[ashen belfry]

Which hardware do you have?

Early on I have quite the high GPU usage. But later on it's getting towards a CPU limit

[peak wasp]

is the music in this game copyrighted bc im making utube videos and just noticed my music volume is at 40%

ive only uploaded 6 videos, but i have 40 videos done in my files and im just now noticing this

[wraith finch]

4070s, 32gb ddr5, ryzen 5 7600xd3

It’s good enough so idk why the gpu use is staying so high

[ashen belfry]

You shouldn't have any issues. I have a 4080 laptop and playing quite fine.

[iron raptor]

Yes it is copyrighted

[peak wasp]

alright thank u

will i still be able to post my videos or nah

[green fiber]

I think the devs said its ok once? The soundtrack is available on steam too. Not sure if the comment can be found in herw

[peak wasp]

i dont think u can really hear the music anyways bc the game is turned down

i had everything at 50% so u can hear me talk

[iron raptor]

I probably think it is an CPU issue because the Prozessor has only 6 cores. Have you installed or updated the Nvidia driver? But I think you can fix the problem wen you liminat the FPS max.

[wraith finch]

I limited it and it didn’t really help, but I can check for driver updates rn

[peak wasp]

bruh im so addicted ti this game

i have like 16 hours of videos to be uploaded XD

i started 5 days ago

[wraith finch]

This game is so fun until you don’t know how to organize all your stuff and the factories turn to spaghetti

[peak wasp]

i have a tower :3

i cant post a pic

WHERE CAN I POST A PIC

[steady glade]

#screenshots

[peak wasp]

thamkiez i wove chu

if my hotspot would be any slower that would be nice omg

i just used my fone

[boreal musk]

anyone knows the console command to increase render distance for shadow?

[dense violet]

that might have been answered in qna before

[boreal musk]

do you have the link for that?

[hot ermine]

guys anyone know a Good VPS to host a server? I'm currently using Hostinger, but this host sucks... I'm with 2 vCore 8gb rams, but the server still laggy and my friend and I we aren't building giga farms or whatever...

[dense violet]

you'd have to do a search in it, soz :/

[sterile blade]

There's a setting to disable problematic music for streamers. Might work just as well

[dense violet]

I'd probalby search that in reddit. Bound to be a lot of people having asked that there with user reviews

[hot ermine]

gonna look there thx

[sterile blade]

Try checking the list of commands on the wiki (at the console page)

[crimson karma]

what is more net positive for energy, petrolium coke or fuel generators

just poped on my mind idk what are tye exact numbers

[dense violet]

fuel

especially since you can get the Heavy Oil Residue alt, + diluted packaged fuel

[bright pier]

placing shitton of valves, for other stuff when i mmb i copy the settings too but doesnt seem like this applies to valves, i am NOT tuning all these valves so any other way?

[dense violet]

why are you putting down a ton of valves?

[bright pier]

i have a 1:1 ratio on production and consumption and i cant have some refineries just harboring all my oil

[dense violet]

clock your refineries to consume what you need

[bright pier]

they do but i need precisely equal flow on each and dont see how else id do that other than valves

[dense violet]

valves don't do that. The refineries will limit consumption

the machines themselves will limit flow by only consuming X fluid pm

[bright pier]

👍

[coarse spruce]

i don't know where to post this but at 979 -332 theres a part of the world where you can fall in and if you don't have means of getting out could get stuck

[reef basin]

that's not how fluids work

they can flow in both directions and valves do not guarantee max flow

[steady glade]

manifold will take a bit but the machines will fill up, if you really wanna speed that up, underclock your makcines to 1%, let them and the pipes fill up and it should go well

[silk ocean]

As long as you have enough supply, and it's not some weird exotic plumbing, usually the fluid will supply all machines and they will just take what they need

[fiery pewter]

Valves do ensure direction of flow right?

[steady glade]

technically they are meant to

[reef basin]

only from one end of valve to another
but any other pipe section can still have backflow, so basically pointless

[fiery pewter]

Yeah alright

[fiery pewter]

There are a lot of places like that on the map

Unless you clip through the ground, then it is a problem

[bright pier]

got a little issue, my factory works too well, i cant spend all my plastic but if they dont produce then my fuel dont produce and no fuel no power factory shutdown, any way to dispose of excess items automatically?

[reef basin]

awesome sink

[bright pier]

oh yeh forgot about that

[reef basin]

(also I'd recommend separating fuel and plastic production)

[bright pier]

why?

[reef basin]

exactly as you said, if one fails, the other one breaks too

and having power dependent on other things is not a good idea

[bright pier]

couldnt i set up power storage incase stuff fails?

[reef basin]

power storage is not a solution, it's a temporary buffer

[green fiber]

Storages buy you time to fix the real problem

[reef basin]

separate power doesn't become a big problem 🙂

[finite mirage]

how do i get close to the toxics without dying

[silk ocean]

Blow em up with Nobelisks

[finite mirage]

i have the bombs

but i can't get close to it

[silk ocean]

You can throw them a long way

If you hold the mouse, you can charge the throw

[finite mirage]

how? mine can't even go 1 meter

[finite mirage]

ohh alr

[finite mirage]

please, i want to remove all stingers from the game even in arachno mode, please help

even just the thought is scary to me

[silk ocean]

You can set the game to passive mode where creatures won't attack

[finite mirage]

its not like i cant fight mobs

i just dont wanna see em

or even think about them

[silk ocean]

Not sure if that is possible, only to replace spiders with cats

[bronze atlas]

unfortunately theres no way to do that that i know of.. maybe check the satisfactory mod page and see if there's something there?

[boreal musk]

theres a mod that replace all stinger with community manager faces

[bright helm]

Gas mask

[finite mirage]

how to unlock

[bright helm]

Research mushrooms

[winged walrus]

I need to move 50 aluminium casings per minute and 20 rubber per minute to my factory, all those resources are too far away from it
And I don't want to make 5 kilometres long conveyors

Are trains able to move the amount per minute i need

I have not unlocked the drones yet

[silk ocean]

Easily yea

[cursive crane]

Short answer yea

Long answer yea but in 5km of railline

[winged walrus]

Are they able to move few resources at once

[silk ocean]

Yes if you have multiple wagons and load each different item into each respective freight terminal at the station

(and then unload in the same way at the other end)

[winged walrus]

How many items per minute they can move

[silk ocean]

Depends on how many wagons and how far they have to go, but a lot xD

[winged walrus]

Ty

[silk ocean]

It's like transporting an industrial storage

And multiple ones, as many as you like, and you can run multiple trains on the route as well with signals etc

[cursive crane]

Way more than you need. And you can always just add another train to double it

[reef basin]

well, depending on round trip time it may not double it and in some cases it may even hurt more than help, but yeah, generally adding a train increases throughput

[cursive crane]

Basically

Throughput

TtF/
RtD
×
Belt Speed

!wikisearch train+throughput

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train+throughput

[cursive crane]

Thats the link I shared you dufus bot

[reef basin]

did you maybe share fandom instead?

fandom is not whitelisted (as it's not up to date)

[cursive crane]

Nope. Literally same page just checked lmao

[radiant swallow]

are hatcher spawners highly resistent to explosive damage or something? i just detonated a nuke about a meter next to it which killed the big hog and the radioactive hog but not the hatcher spawner

[reef basin]

weird

[cursive crane]

Ah. Google share link

[fluid sapphire]

the shell is resistant, explosives do more damage when the hatcher is open i believe

[radiant swallow]

alright. i will just shoot it i guess

[uncut trail]

guys im trying to make new copper factory im on phase 3 how much wire cable and sheet in a minute should i target to get

[fluid sapphire]

cue greeny saying *make how much you want 🤷‍♂️ *

[radiant swallow]

just make wires and cables at the factory you want to use them for tbh. the whole bus system doesn't really work in this game

[silk ocean]

I regret my choices not building my rocket fuel plant out at sea

[fluid sapphire]

why dat

[silk ocean]

On the plus side the Nobelisk company is doing very well xD

Just lots of stuff cleared, mostly, and some rocks

[fluid sapphire]

build higher? build vertically?

[silk ocean]

Bit late now, I put a screenshot to illustrate xD

[fluid sapphire]

thats the struggle of building flat structures, yeap 😄

[silk ocean]

Yea XD

[fluid sapphire]

building on water is kinda boring tho imo, nothing to make you think on your feet when you encounter a snag

[silk ocean]

That is also very true

There's plenty of room here, I selected the area for that reason, just more snags than expected

[radiant swallow]

me overcoming the "challenge" that is uneven terrain: building 40m into the air with walls and then creating a level platform of magnificent magnitude

[fluid sapphire]

thats certainly one way to do it

[radiant swallow]

isn't that what everyone does

[silk ocean]

I should have built the base platform higher yea, maybe not that high, but certainly at least 4-8m higher xD

[fluid sapphire]

well, the height is kinda variable, some points may be at 40m, some places 0m or even clip through the floor a bit, my angle is that no matter the height, there have to be some support structures to make sure the floor isnt floating, for my tastes

[silk ocean]

I agree - I always add some legs just to make things look more realistic

[fluid sapphire]

for things like rail especially, its nearly impossible to build rail to some spots without having it be 100m+ high

like maze canyon

[silk ocean]

Yea I find myself building rail higher and higher these days

But inclines are usually required eventually

[fluid sapphire]

i try to keep it low where i can

well, yeah

[silk ocean]

The run from the red forest up to the north west has a series of very long down/up hill sections, trains can exceed 175

[fluid sapphire]

my rail runs east-west just north of the red forest border

[radiant swallow]

i was so annoyed of the rail system that i just said "fuck it" and built a sky-rail about 300m in the skies

[fluid sapphire]

its fairly straight

[silk ocean]

I try to keep straight

There is some appeal about a meandering rail that follows the terrain too

[fluid sapphire]

this is about as high as mine goes, its in most places a lot lower, except iron forest, where its slightly higher than this

#screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Oh that is nice yea

I like the bridge structure

[radiant swallow]

welp. im off to building the last 9 factories of phase 4

[fluid sapphire]

thanks, thats the only place that has this structure heheh

[radiant swallow]

4 of which are just connecting a few drone ports

[silk ocean]

Almost there xD

[fluid sapphire]

thats the impression i get, of phase 5 factories xd

[radiant swallow]

it's just elevator parts lol

[silk ocean]

It looks good, I wouldn't say too high, kinda fits with the hilly terrain

[fluid sapphire]

yea it looked kinda barren without the horizontal supports, much better with

[silk ocean]

yea

[fluid sapphire]

thats actually my plan for all the elevator parts, literally drone everything in

[radiant swallow]

i am rebuilding all the elevator parts now that i have new recipes and buildings

[fluid sapphire]

but first i have to build infra for 5k bauxite, 5k iron and 3k coal ugh

[silk ocean]

bauxite took me so long as I started in the desert, it's far far away

I ended up selecting the swamp, that was a low period of arachnid nightmares XD

[fluid sapphire]

i think aluminum production is truly the point where you cant get away from using long distance infrastructure of some kind

everything up to that point you can do with nodes that are all near each other

in fairly easy to reach spots

[silk ocean]

Yea my Alu is in the north coral, and the bauxite is way down in the swamp, I couldn't really find a better solution for location, but loads of other stuff has to be trained in and out. Probably is a better location for sure

[fluid sapphire]

i think im gonna make mine at crater lake

[silk ocean]

Yea another good location, it's really down to oil I found

[fluid sapphire]

oil?

[silk ocean]

Ignore me, thinking of something else xD

[fluid sapphire]

there are 3 pure coal nodes and lots of water, i have scouted out a few spots where i can build large train stations for shipping off loads of iron and coal

then i will just have to dot smaller stations everywhere where there is bauxite and bob's your uncle

[silk ocean]

Coal is what I'm thinking of yea xD

[fluid sapphire]

my waste water strat will be to make 10k iron ingots heheheh

if i need iron later for anything, then i already have loads

aside from ficsite, some of it will definitely go into that

[silk ocean]

Is that an alternate recipe in a Refy ?

[fluid sapphire]

wot

[silk ocean]

is it iron ore + water?

[fluid sapphire]

yes, thats pure iron ingot recipe

[silk ocean]

I think I have that one unlocked

I guess another option is to use the waste water in coal generators but seems less useful at that stage

[fluid sapphire]

its too much

already need a lot of coal for the bauxite itself

[sinful zodiac]

am I tripping or does the alternate recipe diluted package fuel just come out already packaged? like from the refiner?

[fluid sapphire]

well yeah, dont you need to feed packaged water into that?

[sinful zodiac]

OOHHHH okay that makes tons more sense

I thought I was losing it

[silk ocean]

Normality restored xD

[sinful zodiac]

Relitivly speaking at least 😛

[uncut trail]

is it a good idea to make big room with shit ton of power storages?

[reef basin]

no

[hard oasis]

are trucks a good idea

[lost wagon]

If you put some power storage at the same time as you spread power towers as part of a blueprint, it should be fine

[sterile blade]

Without any context? I'd say yesn't

[hard oasis]

they deliver stuff from the factorys to my station to but idk if its a good idea cause i feel like its gonna be either to slow or they are gonna keep crashing

[lost wagon]

They crashing is all about the route you do

[hard oasis]

i mean into each other

[sterile blade]

Trucks deliver a lot of items with each trip and you can easily add more trucks to the same route if you think one isn't enough (just load the path)

[reef basin]

"too slow" means you didn't build enough of them
"crashing into each other" means you've recorded the path wrong

[lost wagon]

Yes, you control where the trucks go, don't make them intersect

[hard oasis]

they all go the same way in and out of the truck depot

[fluid sapphire]

8000 units minimum

[sterile blade]

If 2 paths overlap and go in opposite directions, there will be trouble

[hard oasis]

good idea just to test them and hope for the best?

[sterile blade]

If paths just cross at a 90 degree angle, it should be fine

[lost wagon]

You most likely won't need more than 1 truck unless you're using more than 28 stacks of something or whatever is the inventory

[hard oasis]

hopefully the routes are long enough they wont all be at the depot at once

[sterile blade]

It's always a good idea to test things you're using for the first time.
Better than building a whole system and having it run for hours before noticing it doesn't work as expected as you made a mistake based on a wrong assumption or something ^^

[hard oasis]

ive tested them they all bring items i just havent tested them all at once

[sterile blade]

Don't make plans on hopes xD
Plan for the worst case scenario, as it's unlikely that will never happen (and once that happens with truck paths, they just get stuck until you intervene)

[lost wagon]

I use mod to solve deadlock because in my head the AI wouldn't be this stupid to not see another truck on their path and slightly adjust accordingly to avoid deadlock then coming back to the path

[hard oasis]

i need to build the factory the train gets too before i can test it fully i just really dont want a bunch of belts running all over the place and i also cant be bothered to remake the train lines go to each factory

[sterile blade]

You can just have the trucks running without any cargo, or connect the unloading to a sink if you want to test throughput

[hard oasis]

i really do hope they work cause i made such a pretty looking belt system

[robust notch]

Even if trucks don't always come at the same time if its just a factory making parts for your dimensional depots it's not a big deal if you don't have enough resources occasionally

[cursive crane]

Trains > trucks

I used trucks once in like.. u6, havent even built one since other than to show a friend that they exist lol

Either build cooler belt lines, or jump right to trains

[radiant swallow]

what are beans made out of that they can survive nukes

[cursive crane]

Bouncy

[radiant swallow]

what kind of eldritch horrors are wandering this planet

[cursive crane]

.. have you seen the cats yet?

[mortal ginkgo]

lets just say, there are bigger ones of those

[radiant swallow]

the cats sniping me from 300m away are way less problematic than those bouncy castles who constantly run into my way of building factories

[mortal ginkgo]

I will NOT forget the day that one bigger version of stinger that I confused to be a smol one, wanted to run over and grab the remains only to come back to standing animation from ragdoll.

I was like "BROW".

And that was the first time I saw a bigger variant.

[cursive crane]

I have one stuck up my space elevator. He just chillin up there

[lost wagon]

And those are useless

[radiant swallow]

i was building 200m above the ground and there was a bean stuck in my stupid floor somehow

[peak wasp]

okie dokie thank u

[cedar portal]

Even in 1.1 I still can't keep my reactors full of water at 250%. Over time they slowly lose water until they start starving and giving me power dips. It takes a while, but always happens

[mortal ginkgo]

could this be the reason why people directly link 2 water extractors to one reactor?

[limpid cairn]

another reason to add t3 pipes

[cedar portal]

Thats what I do. I have 2 extractors at 250% for each reactor.

[mortal ginkgo]

when you go check, do you see that it dips?

I mean if you think it happens time to time, I assume its a game bug...

unless its some sloshing going on even at very close range

[cedar portal]

Oh yeah, I can see the water dropping below 10. Doesn't happen to all of them, a few for some reason keep their water levels at 100% but most drop down to the point they start to stall.

[mortal ginkgo]

here are some silly suggestions:

1.check if there is any sneaky lvl1 pipe for the smollest range possible
2.rebuild those problematic stuff so maybe game calculates them better (possibly)

[radiant swallow]

is the satisfactory tools calculator just off? this is the second time i notice the calculator saying that i need 5 machines for 400 copper alloy but in truth i just need 4 for those 400 copper alloys

[cedar portal]

@mortal ginkgo They are blueprinted, so no mk1 pipes. I'm 100% sure there are no mk1 pipes as the water consumption is shown at 600/min.

[mortal ginkgo]

majority vote is that tools is the most well done calculator

[mortal ginkgo]

I will take it as blueprinted setup causing bug for God damn no reason then

just to test, can you make the same setup manually?

[radiant swallow]

yeah but that doesn't change the fact that i notice a lot of the time that it's math is wrong?

[mortal ginkgo]

I hardly heard that for tools, I heard it for modeler and SCIM but not for tools

but then I ain't going to defend it with my life 😛

[cedar portal]

Yeah, half are manual, the rest I blueprinted once the bigger blueprints were available, problems everywhere.

[mortal ginkgo]

funny question, did you make these blueprints before 1.1?

[cedar portal]

Nope, made thjem when I came back for the 1.1 release

[reef basin]

please share a production line where the math is wrong so that we can take a look at it

[mortal ginkgo]

ok I will just say that game's wack code with pipes is bringing you down, build those problematic stuff manually see if it fixes itself

[reef basin]

(there's a share button in top right corner)

[radiant swallow]

nah it's fine, i just double checked and the UI overlapped the 100 ingots that it's supposed to also need with caterium ingots, so i didn't see it since it turned 2 inputs into a mass of white letters

[cedar portal]

YEah, about half are built manual. It's not a show stopper for me, just means I have to add another reactor and run them at slightly under 250% but it makes the percentages an ugly fraction.

Running them at 242.6470588235% hurts my soul

[ivory condor]

Now that I think about it i saw a production line recently where the tool made a coal byproduct-this wasn't being used anywhere but the tool was trying to use the coal anyways on nothing, hmmm let me see if I can find that one now hmmm

[finite mirage]

running into power problems with fuel power

[radiant swallow]

the tool is good but has it's issues. you need to uncheck all recipes you don't really need for the products you are using

[finite mirage]

my pipes are not big enough (stop 💀 )

[reef basin]

well yeah if you don't want to use a recipe, don't check it 🙂

[ivory condor]

Beta tools has more issues, it would even make production lines that went in self contained loops and did nothing also

Those beta tools were always fun trying to use or understand what it was trying to do

[mortal ginkgo]

ok so I searched reddit for you and it seems there seems to be some issues regarding 250% speed nuclear powers for God knows how long.

some people state that Nuclear Reactors operate at float value ultra slighty tiny bit more than 2.5 speed when it comes to being fully overclocked and consuming more than they supposed to.

it is not appearent to the naked eye as its ultra little amount but it seems to eventually happen.

since the "timer tick" is based on float values, as someone who worked with Unreal Engine, I can clearly see that a float value of 250% value can be 250.000000001%. (this happens for other engines too).

this game's code is wack, so I suggest running your Nuclear at 249% overclock or something.

In the end, this all comes to the "item generation tick" timer either being off for water bois or nuclear power's usage. This cant be prevented other than constantly rebuilding to make sure that water is used and provided at the same time

PS: I noticed some people complaining about this exact issue with refineries that asks for 600 aluminium solution too.

ALso considering there are other wacky sloshing etc around, I assume the water generation can be odd, or not.

[hard ivy]

Ah, yes, this HMF factory definitely needs 17000 packagers looping alumina between them

[ivory condor]

want to see something fun https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NPdCd2J00bSlI8wqFUz7, don't ask me what the tools is doing here

[cedar portal]

Yeah, I'm running 33 reactors at 242.6470588235% instead of 32 at 250% to avoid it. People keep saying the pipe problems are fixed and it's always user error but I don't believe it, they are still full of weird quirks and outright bugs.

[ivory condor]

Not sure what -0 byproduct even is lol

[silk ocean]

Anyone know why a wild Objective: 50 Smart Plating sometimes randomly appears in the top right, until I think I restart the game? (all phases etc have long been completed)

[ivory condor]

the tool still does some very weird things in some instances hmmmm

[mortal ginkgo]

considering the amount of problems people having in majority for pipes and fluids, saying vast majority is wrong is a meh thing to say.

This is a "are we the baddies?" situation for devs for making such wacky fluid code that is so wacky that mk3 pipes are impossible.

This is a rare L for this game but o'well.

[cedar portal]

This game gets a 99% perfect score in my opinion, and the 1% is pipes. Well, maybe 98% since I'll deduct another 1% for Ficsonium being bunk. 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

also tractors and trucks

[hard ivy]

Those are just floating point errors. Happens sometimes with large plans. Probably the error got too large to be rounded down to 0 and got displayed but it's like 0.00001

[pallid elm]

where do the photos from photomode save to?

[cedar portal]

Hah, yeah. I find it funny (and I also sympathize with the devs) that they kind of gave up fixing the pathfinding and just have them teleport around instead. Works, but clunky. And making logn paths is still the most annoyign thing to do.

[fluid sapphire]

there is a button to open the folder (in photomode settings by pressing Tab)

[ivory condor]

hmmmm makes sense

[pallid elm]

ah okay thanks

[shy mulch]

Well I just finished building a full rail loop all round the world and realised that I forgot to put block signals in the blueprint. Guess that a future-me problem 😂😭

[radiant swallow]

it would be really cool if the error sign in a drone port would actually tell you what's up with the drone port instead of only telling you that there is an issue lol

[shy mulch]

Hover cursor over the drone name

[radiant swallow]

ah

thanks

it appears i forgot to put down a drone

[shadow torrent]

I wish the map had an option to filter resources (not just "everything or nothing", but by resource type and purity).

[mortal ginkgo]

solution: 1 train for the entire system

make it with 100+ cargo

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure you can filter by resource. Though not by purity

[mortal ginkgo]

so I was like, happy with Iron Wire setup, and was like, hey I am no more having screws.

and now I am like having too much wire to use for Stitched Plates lol

[thorny mesa]

what area should i start my factory in?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[thorny mesa]

?

[mortal ginkgo]

up to you,

close to resources, far away but bring them along with other means?

your question is just, a wrong question 😛

[shadow torrent]

You can hover over the resource in the menu and the matching ones will have a thin orange highlight around them. It's not great, especially if there are a lot of nodes in one place (due to zooming) ...

[thorny mesa]

umm idk im kinda new so whats the easiest one?

[mortal ginkgo]

I guess building close to resources..?

[thorny mesa]

i dont get it

oh

[mortal ginkgo]

beginning game needs iron ore and copper ore. your starting zone should already have those, just build stuff near them

[thorny mesa]

alr thanks

[shadow isle]

have trees always have a falling animation when cut down?
or is it just blue leaf ones

[shy mulch]

The four options give explanations on the selection screen. Just read that. Not sure what you want us to tell you

[shadow torrent]

They should all have since 1.1

[shy mulch]

A lot of animation have been updated in 1.1

[shadow isle]

oh ok that explains my confusion

i bombed the entire swamp before 1.1 until there was no more trees and didnt remember any of them having a falling effect

[sly bloom]

Guys why cant my friend join my world`? he keeps crashing

[empty bobcat]

To be fair. IRL pipe systems are a far worse engineering problem...

[cedar portal]

So are kilometer long stacks of belts moving at high speed and having to carry everything from screws to turbo motors. 🙂

[magic swift]

Yeeees! I've complited Satisfactory!

[fluid sapphire]

the tutorial?

[magic swift]

No. The project Assembly

[fluid sapphire]

now you can finally start building real factories

thats the tutorial

[magic swift]

oh

Damn
Alr, gotta try

May i do it in creative mode?

[shy mulch]

He's semi-joking semi-serious. Many long term players consider the space elavator to be a tutorial. Now the fun begins

[elder valley]

can someone help #screenshots

[magic swift]

May i continue in creative mode?

[shy mulch]

"May you"? Who's going to stop you?

[magic swift]

I mean this thing could be unforgivable 4 some communities ya know

Especially these times like now

[shy mulch]

Everyone has their own opinions on what's "ok" or not. Personally I'll never use mods or creative mode or save editing or anything like that, it just doesn't appeal to me. But I'd never tell someone else what they can or can't do. I think many people here take a similar attitude

[magic swift]

Yaaaay, alright

[fluid sapphire]

ya its a free planet

[elder valley]

what are dna capsules used for besides completing the tree in mam

[fluid sapphire]

sink them for a lot of points

[magic swift]

20+ dolla game btw

"Free planet"

[fluid sapphire]

it was a play on "free country"

[magic swift]

:P
I mean it's worth it anyway

[limpid cairn]

grinding

sinking

[magic swift]

Crashing as well

That's how i got deez nut

:)

[sterile blade]

-1% for Programmable Splitters too

[fluid sapphire]

Programmabler Splitters

[peak wasp]

HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOTTEEEEMMMMMM

okie i go watch utube now

[frail gorge]

does anyone know the ratios i should have for iron

so what i should do for ip ir screws etc

[fluid sapphire]

for iron especially, dont try to make a ton up front, make what you need right now

and make more later when you need it, with the better stuff you unlock

[frail gorge]

no but i want to set it and forget it

well actually im trying to make smart plating

but goiing to use iron screws instead

iron plating screws

[fluid sapphire]

if smart plating is your end goal for this, just approach it from that angle, pick a target number and build that

[frail gorge]

im stuck on numbers side though

like how do i know how many need to be what without bottlenecking

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yTOQg51KEVecQRQ2MUsR

i am assuming you meant "cast screw"

you can of course adjust this to what you need

you dont need to manually calculate everything, use tools

[winged walrus]

dang... how do i build rails so they will look good

[fluid sapphire]

i reckon most people build semi-floating rails by way of supports

making smooth curves and having foundations under all your rail is a big undertaking

[winged walrus]

what does undertaking mean

[fluid sapphire]

big task

[winged walrus]

ok

[frail gorge]

yes thank you

is there a way to see how many go into each

like for example

[fluid sapphire]

i just aim for "good enough"
#screenshots message

[winged walrus]

that's what i wanted to make tbh

[frail gorge]

wont let me send a photo but how many constructors go into one smelter

[fluid sapphire]

no photos allowed here

in this channel

[fluid sapphire]

just build a manifold

[frail gorge]

no but like its showing 12 smelters then like different number of constuctors for different items

[sterile blade]

The UI of each machine, as well as each individual recipe (listed in the codex) gives you exact numbers for the input and output. From there it's simple math

[frail gorge]

its not showing how many constructors are to one smelter

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need to calculate ratios for everything

have a group of smelters as big as your belt can handle, in terms of input and output

split the input, merge the output

same for other machines

[sterile blade]

It depends on the recipes you choose. Constructors' recipes don't all input the same amount of Ingots/min

[smoky forge]

there is something called ocd, wich makes that theoredicaly impossible

[fluid sapphire]

its just an example, you can obviously have smaller groups too

[smoky forge]

👍

[fluid sapphire]

this is basically how i build my entire network, its 2 support blueprints, one that is straight and one that has a 2m incline

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[winged walrus]

how did you setup the input and output of the train station btw

does hoverpack gets powered by rails

[fluid sapphire]

i use containers to buffer the in/out, since platforms get locked for a bit, and also to account for travel time variaton due to traffic
#screenshots message

[frail gorge]

so if i need 140 for one thing but my smelters are in 30s what happens tothe other 10

[mortal ginkgo]

it eventually backs up in all smelters and 10 starts to flow further

[fluid sapphire]

140 - 4*30 is 20 though

this is where clock speed adjustment comes in handy

research power slugs

if you havent already

[frail gorge]

i have

my brain just exploded from what im reading though lol

[fluid sapphire]

20 is two thirds of 30 so you can add another machine, at 66.66666...% AKA, you can enter 2/3 into the clock speed input

it will calculate it for you

or like whatever numbers you need

i might be off on the ratios here

[frail gorge]

are manifolds built with mergers or splitters?

[fluid sapphire]

its both'

[mortal ginkgo]

splitters for providing to buildings, mergers to output from buildings

[frail gorge]

its in between my smelters and constructors

so its connecting smelters to constructors

[fluid sapphire]

there are 2 manifolds involved in that

first one merges the outputs from the smelters, second one splits that output between the constructors

[frail gorge]

is there like a tutorial or something you can link

[fluid sapphire]

there really isnt much to it, look at the schematic in the link i sent you

its just a row of splitters in front of machines, and a row of mergers at the outputs

[frail gorge]

i dont know what the boxes represent

[fluid sapphire]

S for splitter

M for merger

empty boxes are machines, arrows are conveyor belts

[winged walrus]

no it doesn't

[fluid sapphire]

it does, but its a bit buggy

but obviously you have to make sure the rail is powered first

[winged walrus]

forgot to power it after i replaced it

it still doesn't work lol

[frail gorge]

do u mind checking to see if i got it right in screenshots

[fluid sapphire]

im not sure what the splitter and merger on the bottom left are doing but otherwise looks fine?

actually look at the bottom right

there seems to be a splitter at the output, but if the ingots are just going in and out again it shouldnt matter

[frail gorge]

whats wrong>

yeah just out and in

[fallen moss]

Chat any tips for using train network as a sort of main bus?

[cedar portal]

I have a drone that's just, sitting in the air not moving. This is the 2nd time I've seen this happen, bug?

[unkempt blade]

mostly just expect to use a lot of trains if you're not at least mostly combining materials before transporting 😆

I love gratuitous trains so I fully support your idea but just so you're ready for how many trains and how many tracks you'll need to support that traffic

[fallen moss]

Oh so like, 1 train per resource will require a fuckton of trains yeah

[unkempt blade]

yeah especially with overclocked extractors and high end conveyors

You might want to take a look at https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput. I think it's still accurate

[remote field]

I almost never use trucks, so I was thinking it could be neat to try and go out of my way to do that more, even though I'm entering late game.
How good are trucks at traffic management? i.e. is it viable to build a highway, or should I be exclusively creating routes that are a closed loop to prevent any crossing lines of traffic?

[fluid sapphire]

trucks cant avoid collisions if you have crossing paths

[unkempt blade]

I use a 3 foundation wide skyroad BP and there's enough space for trucks to go each direction. You really only need to dodge traffic while you're recording for the most part

[remote field]

but if they, allegedly, don't avoid collisions, how would that work?
surely, if each truck has a different route time, there will eventually be a time when their routes will collide, no?

[peak wasp]

y is it called satisfactory and not stressfactory? bc its nore stressful then satisfying???

[cedar portal]

Yes, they will collide and bump each other for a bit before they teleport back onto track. Looks weirdd but it does work.

[unkempt blade]

Traffic just kind of gets simmed if you're not right next to it. I don't have any real issues with collisions with a lot of vehicles

[remote field]

yeah i figured it'd get simmed and not be a problem next to it, but I don't like systems that are mostly fault tolerant.
I prefer my systems to be consistent so I don't need to do maintenance.

but if they teleport back to the roads after collisions, that does sound like it solves my problem as long as they typically don't collide.

[unkempt blade]

I've had basically zero issues with non-train vehicles getting stuck in some way that doesn't fix itself the minute I'm out of sight 😆

[fallen moss]

Ty ty

[remote field]

tbh, that's something they should've added to the game: roads.

it's too tedious to build roads, even with blueprints.

Personally, I never use trucks early game because when i unlock them i'm typically using mostly nearby resources, so I simply run the belts.

[fallen moss]

Any other tips besides be prepared for a ton of trains?

[unkempt blade]

I like tractors a lot in T3/T4 because I can both transport coal and power them with coal. But it's still using resources that a conveyor wouldn't so opinions may vary

[remote field]

in games like this i'm always way over paranoid about running out of food or power, so i obsessively try to maximize the utilization of any given power source

[peak wasp]

same, even supplies, i store EVERYTHING

[fallen moss]

I'm at tier 5/6 rn and I've only used a single tractor

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'm more of a "I use vehicles because I like to see them driving around" player so I just use more nodes (which lets me use even more vehicles) 😆

[peak wasp]

i have the truck, tractor and train, still working on the train, omg... thats a pain

[remote field]

I'm trying very hard this playthrough to tolerate optimization losses and to not need to maximize every single node that i use.

it used to take me weeks to accomplish any project, and i'd get burnt out.

like, i have 1256 hours in the game, and i've never even attempted to craft the phase 4 space elevator parts

[peak wasp]

lol me to! i love cars!!!

if i really wanted to, i could probably make like 30 trucks rn

[remote field]

I typically spend like 200+ hours getting through midgame and then get burnt out shortly after getting to tiers 7&8

[fluid sapphire]

ayy, up top, i got almost 800 and same

[remote field]

fluids are a huge thing that burn me out on the game.
I hate how unreliable they can be.

this time i just set "fuck it" and downloaded blueprints for fuel generators, rubber/plastic, and aluminum.

[fluid sapphire]

fluids are fine, people just expect them to behave like conveyors and they dont

[peak wasp]

imma join these convos :3

i just slap everything within a foot if its a fluid bc i HATE fluids

if i can make a uh pump, i slap way to many on so it works

[remote field]

well the last time i played it was update 8, and iirc pipe floor holes were bugged and sometimes prevented fluids from going through, which i only learned after setting up like 8 stories of fuel generators

[peak wasp]

F

[fluid sapphire]

i havent had the floor hole issue in a long time, i think they fixed that soon after 1.0

[green fiber]

sometimes, rarely, it still happens

[remote field]

Yeah I haven't had any obvious bugs with pipes this playthrough, but I've also minimized how much I do with pipes.

I'm also attempting to avoid any use of fluid pumps, which has been fine so far since i haven't used fluids enough to need them (except some blueprints i downloaded that include them)

pic related, last night i thought it'd be kinda neat to set up coal power in that big hole in the center of the map with the waterfall, and to use fluid pumps to pump water over it so I don't need to ever worry about headlift.

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

why avoid them, pumps works in a very simple fashion

[remote field]

because they consume power and I'm obsessive lmao

[fluid sapphire]

so what if they consume power, everything consumes power

[remote field]

it's literally just me being OCD.
I don't understand why games like this make me super OCD.
I'm not like that in real life at all. I can tolerate an absolute mess, but in this game I can't ignore asymmetries or productivity losses

[fluid sapphire]

there is no loss involved

[remote field]

ironically to the point that it becomes a productivity loss.
At this point I'm not trying to overcome the game, I'm trying to overcome myself.

[remote field]

by "loss" I mean overhead.
it's power lost in order to generate more power

[slow kindle]

If I have consantly 50 heavy oil residue going|
should i make it go through a refinery to make fuel, then spilt the fuel to 2 gens
or should i spilt it, put it through 2 refinieries and not spilt at all?

[remote field]

and yes it's minimal and doesnt matter.

believe me, I am being way less obsessive than my last playthrough

[lost wagon]

Same, I use trucks because it looks cool them going around

[remote field]

my last playthrough I wanted everything to be perfectly load balanced such that there was never any belts backed up, and no machines ever had to wait for resources.

I mean, i still used manifolds, because i'm not completely out of my mind, but I would load balance the belts leading to rows of manifolds

it did make a lot of the belt work super pretty.
I love seeing the constantly flowing stream of items

[slow kindle]

yeah theres a really satisfying feeling where everything is working as you planned

[remote field]

yeah but literally any time I needed to start automating a new part, or increase the production of a different part, it would take me like 3 days to accomplish it.

[slow kindle]

There are some people who prefer their factory to be "pretty and longer to build" rather than "efficent to build but super ugly"

My factory works really well, and everything is going REALLY good
but it looks like a pile of dog mess and im fine with it

Maybe my next playthrough will be me doing the most organized factory i ever did
that way it lasts longer and i have something new to do

[remote field]

I'm trying to strike a balance.

I think part of the problem is I'm a software engineer by trade. In software, you don't write code and say "okay, this works as long as you don't X".
You write code to handle that edge case so it doesn't break everything.

So I struggle to cope with the idea of something that doesn't work sometimes when you know the conditions that will cause it to stop working will come up, ya know?

[slow kindle]

You wanna build a factory that works no matter what X is?
Is that your point?

[remote field]

that is my compulsive behavior, but I understand it's unrealistic.
for instance, some item ratios are irrational numbers, meaning waste is inevitable.

--this does mean however that I can cope with these things if I can't see them lmao.
it's why I always wanted my friends to play with me so I could hand off projects to them.
Then I can focus on tasks I know I can do, and expect that their projects will work good enough and I won't agonize about it

[slow kindle]

Did you ever play with friends?

[remote field]

I have recently gotten 1 friend to try the game with me, and we have played like 2 hours so far lmao.

problem is he never plays enough so i doubt we'll ever made it anywhere meaningful

[slow kindle]

Know that feeling

Not with satisfactory, with terraria 💔

[remote field]

tried to get the GF into it, but she was more interested in the puzzles in the hub (which i didnt even know existed)

[slow kindle]

There are puzzles in the hub?

[remote field]

right?

[slow kindle]

I'll find them rq 😭

[white dawn]

There's a "Productive Packer Deluxe" game you can play on the main "computer" in the HUB, yeah. :)

[remote field]

there's little puzzle minigames.
kinda like IQ test stuff i think. idk i didnt pay attention to them

[elfin gyro]

me and my friend are setting up some train signals and my friend was able to place two signals opposite each other at a junction entrance, but when I try it says there's already a signal there. Anyone heard of that happening before and know of a fix?

[slow kindle]

@remote field I found it 😭

LOL This is epic

[remote field]

something about satisfactory hooks into the psychology of a particular type of person.
I am absolutely that type of person, and literally none of my friends are lmao

[radiant swallow]

i did not think upgrading my power generation was needed, then i turned on my 250% slooped pasta accelerator

20GW is quite a bit of power usage

[silk ocean]

Rocket fuel in the jetpack might not be the most efficient but oh boy is it good xD

[remote field]

I'd be curious to see what type of engineers are most drawn in by this game.
My inclination is to say software engineers, but i may just be wrong.

I base that purely on being a software engineer, and my mechnical/electrical engineering friends just look at the game and say "so you build a factory? for what? i dont get it"

[slow kindle]

All pioneers I have a question:
Do you guys afk?
if you know you have a full functioning factory, everything is going into its place and you won't run out of space for the next 12h or so, you wanna get some sleep. Do you afk or not?

[elfin gyro]

software engineers do seem to like the game in my experience, but might gravitate towards mods like circuitry more

[silk ocean]

I run a local server that runs 24/7 even if not logged in, so technically... yes? xD

[slow kindle]

And how is it turning out? Like do you just wake up with thousands of items or

[elfin gyro]

I think my fave quote on that subject is "AFKing in satisfactory is you donating to your electricity company"

in other words, a lot of people do it but you can probably find something else to do while you wait, like making more ppm

[silk ocean]

Often yep!

[elfin gyro]

that said, playing on a server atm is nice because you're never out of parts unless the factory is built bad

usually on my solo worlds I'm good for parts though

[silk ocean]

Other benefits is the server does all the autosaving, no pauses when that happens, I think it offloads a bunch of compute to the server as well, at least it does a lot of work either way

[slow kindle]

What does the first P stand for ?

In ppm

[elfin gyro]

parts per minute

[slow kindle]

I see

[remote field]

i think that gets into what i was saying earlier.

I think software engineers really like logic, systems, and things interacting, and "purpose" is often unnecessary, though is absolutely a bonus.

and to your circuitry point, I'd be inclined to believe that my fellow software engineers find fluids frustrating.
It's not that fluids are "bad", it's that they are far harder to predict and visually debug than belts are.
the idea of belts is much more reminiscent of good program flow than pipes are.
--that said, sometimes pipe behavior is necessary

[elfin gyro]

I actually really like fluids so far, but I also get bored relatively early and have spent probably an unhealthy amount of time discussing and learning about them in #math-and-meta

once you learn and play to the rules of the simulation they're pretty consistent

you're definitely not wrong for the visually debugging though

[remote field]

I'm sure they are, but I just don't have the patience I did when I was in college to try and figure stuff like that out.

[slow kindle]

It's funny how I almost never reach my max cons, my max cons rn is 2262 and my cons is 1200..

[elfin gyro]

if you want a super simple win, set up a loop for everything. Even if you're only feeding from one end make it loop around to the far end too and it'll mitigate a lot of fairly simple setup issues

once you get into production loops you do need more advanced stuff though

[remote field]

I've come to learn that I hate to learn by reading or listening.
I much prefer to learn by doing.
for that reason, pipes are extremely difficult to learn for me.

I'm sure I'll get them right away when I cave in and force myself to learn, but I'm still being stubborn.

[cedar portal]

I agree. if pipes had visivility so you could see what was going on inside them it would be much better. As it is, the game istelf gives you little idea of it's status, and tells you nearly nothing about how they work. Sloshing and other issues are not ever mentioned, headlift is hard to measure, lots of weird bugs and edge cases. Itt's not satisfying.

[remote field]

100% this.

[elfin gyro]

there's a guide floating somewhere on the wiki that has a lot of visual references for situations and math and meta has a lot of pics in for pipes too, and then the rest you learn by doing

the doing part is how I found out that they changed the fluid simulation in 1.0 without it being mentioned

[remote field]

the flow measure indicator is extremely course, and requires staring at it long enough that it's faster to simply enter the damn thing's interface to see what's going on.

It'd probably cause a lot of visual clutter, and potentially lag with large pipe systems, but it'd be super nice if there was something like an arrow overlay that simply indicated where fluid in a given pipe was moving and by what degree

like a vector field sorta

[elfin gyro]

I'm not a huge fan of the flow indicator, but the fullness part of it is handy

[remote field]

yeah that's about it, so it's kinda silly that something that isn't a binary indicator is basically used as a binary indicator.

[sterile blade]

I feel like I'm in a small minority, saying I've learnt piping from experience and find the flow indicator quite useful 😆

[cedar portal]

Even looking at the interface gives you no ideea what it's doing when the flow jumps around between 40 and 400 randomly and even worse, those numbers don't even tell you which direction it's going.

[remote field]

they changed how it worked in 1.0?
how significantly?
cuz i feel like i tried going down the rabbit hole in update 8 and just gave up cuz i got burnt out.

[unkempt blade]

I don't feel like I have many liquid setups I trust where the pipes aren't "full"

[elfin gyro]

iirc they made it so that if there's a junction with any verticality the fluid now prefers to flow down and not equally, which was enough to require more pumps in my coal setup than before

[elfin gyro]

full pipes are happy pipes

[unkempt blade]

If it's full I can feel safe in the flow rate. If it's not I just assume it's still sloshing and I need to stop the slosh

[sterile blade]

Sounds like something that could enhance VIPs

[elfin gyro]

full pipes can still slosh which is why you loop them, but it's still much better than half full

[unkempt blade]

yeah I either loop them or feed them from both sides

[sterile blade]

Balanced pipes work half full :P

[elfin gyro]

I have no idea, I just hade an instinctual feeling on day 1 and then I think it was sev and someone else that also said they felt that and tested it out

[cedar portal]

I feel like they added gasses because they knew fluids were broken and didn't want to deal with adding more 😄

[elfin gyro]

I remember one of the advanced pipe setups needed changing but I don't think it was VIPs

[sterile blade]

Fluid preferring to go down seems to go hand-in-hand with how VIPs work ^^

[split pewter]

worked too well, i got an isc full of silica after

[limpid cairn]

theres an alt recipe that creates silica with water and crystals right?

[split pewter]

i think so but silica can be made with just raw quartz

[hard ivy]

there's distilled silica, but it uses nitric acid, limestone and water, not just water

[limpid cairn]

im aware its about the production rate tho

[limpid cairn]

bet

tbh water would be easier atm but ill look what i get first

i have everything next to my crystal nodes besides limestone maybe

nvm

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch silica

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=silica

[hard ivy]

choose one you like lol

[split pewter]

doenst ficsit love not wasting things

[slow kindle]

What's the next form of power after fuel?

[split pewter]

nuclear

(i think)

[hard ivy]

different fuel or nuclear

[slow kindle]

Wdym different fuel?

[split pewter]

turbofuel instead of regular

[hard ivy]

rocket fuel for example

[split pewter]

that too

[slow kindle]

!wikisearch turbofuel

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=turbofuel

[split pewter]

compact coal + fuel

its better than regular and you can automate it so i personally would use it instead of biofuel but biofuel has alot of flight time

[slow kindle]

How is it better? does it give more energey, use less fuel/pm. Or what?

[hard ivy]

turbofuel is very meh

I wouldn't bother with it

[split pewter]

it burns for 4 seconds in the jetpack, gives more power, and is alot more "dense" (goes higher on jetpack)

[limpid cairn]

it takes less turbofuel for longer energy

it gives the same tho

[slow kindle]

What other fuels are there?

[limpid cairn]

it doesnt give more power. it gives the same as biofuel and normal fuel it just burns longer

[split pewter]

biofuel

[split pewter]

if you oc it to take just as much time to burn as regular..?

[hard ivy]

liquid biofuel, fuel, turbofuel, rocket fuel, ionized fuel

[remote field]

bio fuel, turbo fuel, diluted fuel, rocket fuel, ionized fuel

[slow kindle]

Is biofuel something to bother with?

[split pewter]

isnt ionized best for power (for all the fuels)

[hard ivy]

for power? no

[split pewter]

for jetpacks, yes

[remote field]

so biofuel is great for jetpacks

i discovered that by accident.
it's objectively better than regular fuel, and then it may not get you to go as high as some of the higher end fuels, but oh my god does it burn for a long time

[slow kindle]

well I'll just create all the biofuel I can using the solids I have, that way I can use my packaged fuel for smth else

[limpid cairn]

why would you overclock power gens?

[split pewter]

more power generation

[silk ocean]

More inefficient xD

[boreal musk]

liquid*

[hard ivy]

to save space

[split pewter]

and that

[limpid cairn]

place more fuel gens and get more power for less fuel?

[slow kindle]

Well I'm currently very close to finishing phase 3(literally 80 items away). What's the best fuel? i run 28 coal gens and 3 fuel gens

[unkempt blade]

it's same fuel to power ratio it's just more power (and fuel) from a single generator

[hard ivy]

stick to fuel for now, then go to rocket fuel

[split pewter]

i'd personally get ready to start using rocket, then nuclear

[slow kindle]

Alright, thanks

[split pewter]

nuclear generates 2500 at 100% so its a good option

i already have 7500 being made from just nuclear

[slow kindle]

Btw is it worth to get the sommerslopp thing that gives 500 electricity? I forgot what's it called

[ashen token]

i just spent multiple hours on remaking the satisfactory logo to have it in a different language and forgot to save 😭 😭 😭

[limpid cairn]

its always worth

unless you need sommersloops for something else

[remote field]

here's what i did, and what i recommend:
Create a janky little factory with smart splitters where you can just dump anything that can be turned into solid biofuel in an industrial bin, and it will go and be crafted. (I also made it so dumping in plastic creates empty containers)
then turn the solid biofuel into liquid biofuel.
then feed all of it into a dimensional depot.
you'll be shocked at how little liquid fuel you need

[split pewter]

10 sommersloops for more power could be good if you need power

overall yes

[warped peak]

Hello, how can I open the console to know my current coordinates?

[remote field]

or rather, how little bio material you need to get more liquid fuel than you know what to do with in your jetpack

[hard ivy]

make sure you use alts when making the rocket fuel. Heavy Oil Resiude and Diluted Fuel at least

[split pewter]

nvm

[slow kindle]

Alts = alternative recipes?

[boreal musk]

the map already tells your coordinates

[split pewter]

yes

[split pewter]

specifically top right

[warped peak]

It only tells me the coordinates of my cursor, not my character.

[split pewter]

so navigate your cursor to your character?

[hard ivy]

put the cursor on your character?

[hard ivy]

the console is normally under ~

[warped peak]

But this would give me an approximation, not the exact coordinates.

[hard ivy]

but you'll need to type some debug command for it to show coordinates

[split pewter]

why do you need exact coordinates?

[copper pine]

how to delete blueprints

like in 1 go

[split pewter]

press f and then r

[remote field]

my liquid biofuel factory is an experimental trainwreck, but it works.
it's got like 1 refinery but I have 2 industrial containers full of packaged liquid biofuel, a full dimensional depot, and a full industrial fluid buffer full of more liquid biofuel.

I built it on short notice in under an hour, and have put no effort into actively farming material to make the biofuel.
i feed the factory entirely with the material that i've gained passively by exploring the map.

[split pewter]

press r to switch it back

[warped peak]

And what key is this? I'm using a Spanish keyboard.

[copper pine]

thx

[limpid cairn]

how good are manifolds for aluminium scrap?

[slow kindle]

Do you package your biofuels?

[split pewter]

the key below esc or very top left

[hard ivy]

top left under esc. but if you don't have a US keyboard, it might not work. then you'll need to change it to something else

[split pewter]

load balance would be best

[remote field]

yes cuz you need to for the jetpack.
but you dont need to worry about logistics for this factory at all.
just get a few stacks of plastic, and make containers out of them. that'll be plenty

[slow kindle]

yeah, exactly what I did just now

[hard ivy]

they work fine?

[split pewter]

i wish if you burnt fuel or biofuel in jetpacks or gens you would get containers back

it would be annoying sometimes but

[limpid cairn]

i have ptsd from screws and in my head everything that has a 500 stack size is like screws

i dont wanna rebuild everything

[split pewter]

uranium waste in question

[limpid cairn]

i dont have uranium yet

[warped peak]

How long is each foundation in meters?

[split pewter]

ah ok

[split pewter]

1/2/4, it says it in build menu

[hard ivy]

just merge 2 scrap refineries, then smelt it all

[split pewter]

#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

don't move the scrap anywhere far

[hard ivy]

8Lx8Wx1/2/4H

[split pewter]

oh yeah forgot the other dimensions, thx

[limpid cairn]

basically 64m3 , 128m3, 252m3

but technically only 64m2

if we dont calculate height into it

[split pewter]

it takes 8 1m foundations to make a cube, so 8x8[x1] (64m2)

[limpid cairn]

if you calculate 3 numbers isnt it m3 (volume) instead of m2(surface area)?

[slow kindle]

@remote field First packaged biofuel is out, let's test it

[split pewter]

its how long, seperated the 1

[slow kindle]

ok what the fuck

this is op as hell

[remote field]

isn't it amazing? lmao

[split pewter]

lol

[slow kindle]

The transition too

[limpid cairn]

so if you replace the 1 with 2 for example its m3 again?

[split pewter]

no, if you add the 1 (height) back its m3

the 1 is no longer apart of it

[hard ivy]

innit? Basically the only jetpack fuel I ever use and it's unlocked as soon as the jetpack is

[split pewter]

and can be added back for m3

[remote field]

i wanted a video of all the jetpack fuels. after watching it, i determined that it'd be unlikely that i'd use anything else.
like, rocket and ionized fuel are the only fuels i'd even consider using over it, and they dont seem to burn as long, they just burn faster and get you to go higher

[slow kindle]

The transition from fuel to biofuel is so suprising... holy

[limpid cairn]

ahhhh

okay

[split pewter]

glad you understand

[remote field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24NWLmKvRhI

[split pewter]

wait what even was the secret of the mimic

[slow kindle]

Only thing i find bad about it is getting solid biofuel
can take long and be boring

[split pewter]

yeah, the best part is defo deforestaion

(and using it)

[limpid cairn]

wait yall used fuel before using liquid biofuel?

[split pewter]

i didnt, i used turbo

cuz it was alot better

[hard ivy]

if you use sloops in every step, 1 creature remains makes 533 LBF

[limpid cairn]

i used fcking normel hard biofuel

[split pewter]

bro 😭

[limpid cairn]

sorry man that we arent as rich as you 😔

[slow kindle]

ok those are too many things I don't understand 😭
What's lbf?

[split pewter]

i was using compacted coal before regular

[slow kindle]

oh its liquid biofuel

[hard ivy]

liquid biofuel

[split pewter]

the coal was right beside the sulfur

[slow kindle]

How can you make it with remains?

[split pewter]

constructor

[hard ivy]

remains -> protein -> biomass

[remote field]

also make sure you reserach biomass in the MAM if you haven't already

[slow kindle]

Yeah that's the reason I don't see it probably

[split pewter]

OR you could turn it into dna points for coupons if it isnt too costly for the points (1 to 4 ratio)

wait what happens if i edit in coupons

I DID IT

[remote field]

but alien remains make so much biomass that i promise you will never actively go gather biomass for jetpack fuel again. you'll just always have more biofuel on hand than you know what to do with. (unless you try to power your factory with it. super not recommended.)

[split pewter]

IT DIDNT REACT

[slow kindle]

mods ban this guy

[split pewter]

I DID IT!

YES!!!

[slow kindle]

I don't have alien remains 😭

[remote field]

are you getting hard drives?

[hard ivy]

1 can make 500 fuel. you don't need many

[remote field]

cuz alt recipes can be amazing. just go on a quest for hard drives, and kill anything in your way.

[slow kindle]

I have 1 on me that I never used

[split pewter]

never try powering your factory off of purely biomass, if you absolutely have to atleast make it biofuel (or lbf)

[remote field]

bruuuuuuh hard drives are cracked.
you can completely elimate screws and rods from your production line

[hard ivy]

or you can just spend a few minutes with the chainsaw and get the same result

[white dawn]

Dunno if that counts as "cracked," that's just alt recipes doing what alt recipes do. :)

[slow kindle]

Yeah I'll do that until remains

[undone kestrel]

Screw hate is not valid imo

[hard ivy]

my condolences. some default recipes are utter trash

[split pewter]

scan it in mam (keep one ready though so you can get rocket fuel without needing to adventure)

it is fun to adventure but

[slow kindle]

a 10 minutes research GODDAMN

[hard ivy]

it is tho. the recipes that use them suck ass with literally only 1 exception

[split pewter]

its long but SO worth it (unless its biocoal)

[slow kindle]

Screw hate is vaild and WILL be tolerated.

[remote field]

yeah some recipes are straight trash, some look good but aren't, and then some are just objectively amazing

[split pewter]

pray to get biocoal and another bad recipe first try so you never deal with it (keep it in library)

or second try idk

[slow kindle]

wait you don't choose the recipes?

[remote field]

so you get to choose between like 2 recipes

[split pewter]

you dont, its random but you can choose from 4

[hard ivy]

you don't need to. a scanned drive goes to the library and can be left there forever or taken at any time

[split pewter]

2 and then another 2 if you rescan (not reversible)

[remote field]

or you can save before you start the scan, and just savescum lmao. (once you start a scan, the recipes are determined so reloading a save before research completes wont change the result)

[split pewter]

SUPER useful if you get biocoal and another bad recipe

[hard ivy]

then you have to wait 10 min again. save scum rerolls instead - it's instant

[remote field]

also, if you get 2 trash recipes, just don't pick either and keep it in your library.

that prevents new hard drives from getting those trash recipes

[split pewter]

agonizing time requirement, you can waste 30 minutes if your tryna get one recipe if your lucky

[limpid cairn]

when do you unlock t3 miners?

[slow kindle]

That's smart

[split pewter]

like i said..

[slow kindle]

Phase 4 iirc

Only 30 more parts to finish phase 3 on this playthrough

[hard ivy]

tier 8? maybe 7?

[limpid cairn]

no...

[slow kindle]

Wdym no

[reef basin]

Based on your preferences

[limpid cairn]

unless im stupid i didnt see it in t3

[split pewter]

phase 4 is hard, trust

[split pewter]

t8

[slow kindle]

I said it's in phase 4, I said "30 more parts to finish phase 3 on this playthrough" regarding my playthrough

[reef basin]

No recipe is objectively good or bad, there are always tradeoffs

[limpid cairn]

oh

[finite mirage]

how to find SAM nodes

[limpid cairn]

i replied to the wrong messages

[limpid cairn]

internet, luck or radartowers

[slow kindle]

There's one in the cave next to grass fields, just go there and place a miner(get ready for spiders)

[split pewter]

biocoal

[hard ivy]

look it up on the internet or get lucky. or look in hard to reach places - that's where they are usually

[reef basin]

Allows you to convert a resource to a different one, hardly a trash

[limpid cairn]

radar towers...

[vague sparrow]

spoilers

[split pewter]

a non-automatable resource into an automatable resource

[reef basin]

Which is fine for limited production, e.g. ammo

[hard ivy]

idk about you but I'd want a SAM node way before I have radars

[split pewter]

but why not automate that production?

[limpid cairn]

i got sam nods after i got radar towers

[slow kindle]

Phase 4 is where I quit last time
I quit because I had teribble cable management and power management that made me crash every 3m and I was too "tilted"(?) to actually reset the playthrough

[remote field]

I fail to see the downside of Heavy Encased Frame

[split pewter]

hm

[vague sparrow]

usually set up SAM early to just let it run in the background for later

[slow kindle]

This time I did an insane cable management tho, and I have production 2x than my consumption

[split pewter]

heavy encased frame doesnt have one lol

[split pewter]

i have so much reanimated sam cuz i did that lol

[split pewter]

i have more production than my max consumption

which is what you always want

[remote field]

according to @reef basin there's no objectively good recipe though!

[reef basin]

different resource usage?

[slow kindle]

Yeah that too
my mconus is 2200, production is 2900, but my consu is always 1300-1400..

[reef basin]

it's not a "downside", it's a tradeoff

whether you see it as a downside or upside is up to you

people have different preferences

[remote field]

reduced power consumption, reduced item requirements, reduces buildings, reduced resources, elimates screws

[reef basin]

"eliminates screws" can be downside 🤷

[remote field]

nah fuck screws lmao

[reef basin]

meh

and flexible frame has higher production rate

[hard ivy]

there's nothing that Encased uses that default doesn't

[split pewter]

my consump is 4-5k and max consump is double that at 10,317, but i have 11k production (spikes cuz of janky power but always stays above it)

[reef basin]

it's literally screws vs concrete

[hard ivy]

default uses concrete anyway?
more, even

[reef basin]

not directly

[slow kindle]

4k-5k😭😭 nuclear power usage prob?

[split pewter]

(encased industrial)

[finite mirage]

i cant understan the coordinates on the internet

[remote field]

Exactly. Heavy Encased Frame is measurably, i.e. "objectively" a superior recipe.

[split pewter]

yeah, nuclear added like 1k

[reef basin]

false

[hard ivy]

they're in cm

[split pewter]

it even has a higher production rate

2.812 versus 2

[reef basin]

not higher than flexible

[hard ivy]

we're not talking about flexible tho

[split pewter]

not talking about flexible..

[remote field]

i didnt say it was objectively the best. i said it's objectively good. i.e. objectively better than the base recipe