satisfactory

[stray loom]

What are you considering a long conveyor?

[acoustic shell]

like right outside of the forest spawn (not where I spawned I spawned at the rocky desert) there is a copper node like 200m away from some impure oil nodes, and I figured I could automate computers and oil based products theres

but it does have some long conveyers

[hard ivy]

I build conveyors up to 1km long

[open viper]

Yall can some one send me a dm for a good spot to start steal making? I need help

[willow glen]

Long conveyers are convenient if you need 1 belt or less of an item, I have long belts of things like modular frames. But for things like ingots, nah, use trains, way more volume per tile used

[acoustic shell]

where did you spawn?

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map and find one that suits you

[open viper]

grassy something

[acoustic shell]

I am gonna make trains to pick up farther out items, like from my steel factory, and oil factory, whether is the closer one or the muhsroom biome one if I really want to get more pure oil nodes,

[acoustic shell]

just go onto the calculator and find any area with coal nodes near iron nodes, and if you want to make more advanced steel items at the same locations, copper and limestone nodes nearby as well

[willow glen]

steel and oil are great train options, tho you need oil to unlock them

I always train aluminum as well

[acoustic shell]

i have oil production, tho its a little cramped and messy, its close to my steel. I would prob truck or train motors tho

[sterile blade]

It's a crime

[limpid cairn]

no its just a recourse waste

[hard ivy]

resources are infinite

[willow glen]

cleanup of expanding conveyers is very annoying, as well as setting up the 12th conveyer on a belt stack, when one train track coulda done the same

[limpid cairn]

technically, yeah they are more consistant than trains but trains and stuff do it better if you do it right j

[sterile blade]

Trains > belts because belts don't honk, as simple as that

[ivory condor]

technically no, because its all about matching the needed throughput and trains can be configured to meet any amount

[limpid cairn]

youre supposed to say "belts > trains" since trains dont have programmable splitters

[cedar portal]

I hadd a network of conveyors going around the whole island back before the trains update. Stacked 5-6 high in some places. Upgrading those before upgrade-in-place was added was NOT fun. Zero stars, would not do again.

[acoustic shell]

so would dragging a copper node 700m(85ish foundations) be bad

[sterile blade]

You got me there 😆

[ivory condor]

Well I wouldn't recommend signing up for pain and suffering

[willow glen]

oof, even with upgrade in place the decon crates are still abundant, best way is to just keep setting up sinks as you go. Or don’t do that lol (since we have better options now)

[acoustic shell]

and should I automate circut boards AND computers or are circut boards not necessary as a item

[hard ivy]

CBs aren't really useful by themselves, no.
only when handcrafting ACUs, HSCs, RCUs, etc

[ivory condor]

Why I like having a world train network, nothing to really upgrade between locations, as rails are generic.

But I suppose if you want to run mk6 belts across the world there is nothing to stop yourself from doing it

[acoustic shell]

cuz to automate computers I would need to overclock my refinerys too much, so I though I should just set up a new node and produce off of that, only downside is that I would need to drag a pure copper node about 700m out to reach the factory to produce computers

[willow glen]

ship plastic instead

[sterile blade]

How long was a single belt segment max?

7 foundations?

[hard ivy]

if you have the node capacity, you can just build more refineries or w/e

[hard ivy]

56m sounds about right

!wikisearch belt

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=belt

[wheat parcel]

just got to oil extraction, what do i do now

[hard ivy]

extract oil

[burnt ferry]

attract oil

[wheat parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-gif-26872610

[willow glen]

Make plastic and rubber. Deal with Heavy Oil Residue.
||rush fuel generators by hand flushing the HOR till you get enough plastic for the milestone||

[acoustic shell]

I have the whole right side of the map open, and there is a 1 square km area that has like 7 nodes, 2 of which are pure and 400m away from eachother, I have not tapped into yet

[burnt ferry]

rush fuel generators by spending 2 coupons for 400 plastic

[hard ivy]

or just flush HOR until you get enough for unlocks

or rush alts so you don't have to

[wheat parcel]

whats HOR

[hard ivy]

Heavy Oil Residue

[ivory condor]

you learn later on its always best to turn oil into HOR first, because you get more out of oil processing

this is true for fuel, plastic/rubber, etc

[wheat parcel]

i was gonna build oil extractors and refineries at the blue crater i think its called and then make rubber and plastic

[burnt ferry]

i wasnt aware that its possible to not have the heavy oil residue to fuel recipe 😂

[willow glen]

Only once you have the alts tbh (diluted fuel, recycled plastic. Recycled rubber, and HOR) for now regular plastic and rubber is fine

[burnt ferry]

but i say rush even phase 3 since you need blenders for the diluted recipe

[hard ivy]

DPF is fine

just make a good BP

[willow glen]

it’s the same efficiency at a 5MW difference, use DPF if you have it

[wheat parcel]

dawg im new what does those stuff mean

[burnt ferry]

why? because refineries consume less power?

[hard ivy]

DPF consumes more power

5MW for every 60 fuel/min

[ivory condor]

hmmm right, but I do love my 1:3 recipes

[hard ivy]

so 5 MJ per m³ of fuel?

not much

[acoustic shell]

so, what a decent amout of computers per minute, cuz I think 2.5 is really low

[burnt ferry]

why should i bother with that recipe then. unless im misunderstanding something

[hard ivy]

because it's 2 tiers earlier

[burnt ferry]

but you need to setup the packaging and everything.. not worth the hustle...

[hard ivy]

if you make a good BP and it's no different from a blender

[burnt ferry]

or i dont make a bp and save the time 😂

[ivory condor]

personally i would rush blenders and not deal with packaging to deal with fuels

[burnt ferry]

yep

you need that packaged blueprint once... if that was more versatile, maybe worth a shot

[hard ivy]

rushing through T6 sounds miserable tbh

especially with shit fuel

[burnt ferry]

nah 😂 absolutely not

its super cheap..

just a handful of coupons.... can hunt aliens while scouting for harddrives..

[ivory condor]

imo dealing with packaging is more of a miserable experience

[sterile blade]

Can Fuel Rods be bought at the awesome shop? I can't recall

[burnt ferry]

exactly 😂

[ivory condor]

I would rather just get through the tiers and wait, then building those monstrosities

[hard ivy]

uranium rods? nah

[burnt ferry]

by the time that blueprint is done, i would have finished phase3 if i wasnt wasting my time with the bp

[hard ivy]

it literally takes 5 minutes

stop being dramatic lmao

[ivory condor]

Believe me I have done it before, never again

[sterile blade]

Makes sense... that would make rushing to Nuclear a tad too easy

[ivory condor]

aka im heading straight for blenders, because dealing with packaging, forget that

[burnt ferry]

i mean i do have one package making constructor for my jetpacks biofuel

consuming 10-15 packages............ per day

[ivory condor]

well sure I do that to, but dealing mass packaging and unpackaging, nope not touching that

[hard ivy]

it's a loop

you need 15 canisters per loop total

[ivory condor]

just no

[hard ivy]

and you can add them to the BP so you don't even need to add them by hand

[ivory condor]

i would rather do anything else to be honest

[burnt ferry]

but why?

you never need it again

i dont make a blueprint for something i use only once

[hard ivy]

20 GW from 600 oil in tier 5

[burnt ferry]

to feed what machinery?

the other machinery i have built wasting my time not rushing phase 3?

[hard ivy]

I use it like 4 times per playthrough

[burnt ferry]

wow 😂

[ivory condor]

some people you see enjoy pain and suffering

[hard ivy]

more times than the fuel gen BP

[burnt ferry]

ye sure... people play with aggressive aliens and enjoy them stingers glitching through walls

not for me

[hard ivy]

Y'all are just being melodramatic 😆

[ivory condor]

some people im sure would turn this game base defense

[burnt ferry]

i mean. you say 20 GW from 600 oil... the question is. how much MORE compared to just making fuel th3e cheap way until you have blenders

[hard ivy]

3x more

20 GW without DF or DPF costs 1800 oil

[burnt ferry]

625MW take 50m3 fuel no?

[sterile blade]

(At 100% clock or lower)
Gosh, I love how many nuances there can be

[burnt ferry]

so 12 times 625MW for simplyl 1:1ing it

[stray loom]

600 crude through HOR alt and default fuel is 533/min. 600 crude through HOR alt and DPF is 1600 fuel

Mind you you'll need 1600 water as well

[burnt ferry]

for the diluted yes

so even less power.. but i mean there is the heavy oil residue recipe which already has 3:4 ratio

[ivory condor]

biggest problem isn't power, its size

[burnt ferry]

anyway.... certainly not worth the hustle.. i mean if you build as many machinery to finish phase 3 in 5 minutes it might make sense to go for more power, but since building all this machinery takes roughly as long as just scouting the entire map for harddrives, slugs, tons of alien remains and therefore dna which provides enough coupons for everything.... ima scout

[burnt ferry]

boredom i say

[ivory condor]

because its only 129mw more, but its 36 machines vs 101 machines

[burnt ferry]

here i am, roughly understood coal generators, roughly understood pipes and now i shoulud build like 200 refineries? thats what drove me off the game

[ivory condor]

aka im not doing that

[burnt ferry]

the highest number of buildings i have build at once was 96 refineries...

[ivory condor]

be like yes lets build a factory that 3x the size or do the sane thing and wait and lets not build something that is literally 3x bigger than i need to if i just wait for blenders

[burnt ferry]

i would have needed 105 but i was too lazy 😂

[ivory condor]

you would need more if you go with packaging and unpackaging for 1600 fuel

Or wait and only have to build 36 machines

[burnt ferry]

when i remembered my first playthrough while going through this one, i had like 300 shards, 70 spheres 40 slops and i thought.. yes... this was the time we noticed we need LOTS of screws back then 😂

[ivory condor]

i noticed the need to remove screws from my production lines yes

[burnt ferry]

yeah... we had like 32 screw constructors or something like that.. in this savegame i have one... thats the ratio of what makes sense and what is a waste of time 😂

[stray loom]

Are you complaning about getting to build more factory in your factory building game?

[burnt ferry]

im complaining about repetitive tasks without benefit

i do repetitive if it makes sense.. but not if its a waste of time

[stray loom]

That's exactly what blueprints are for

[burnt ferry]

sigh

[stray loom]

Design it once and slap it down however many times you need

[burnt ferry]

ye.... 4 times 😂

scroll further back. weve been through ALL of this already @stray loom

[ivory condor]

No just saying some of the reasons why im not touching packaging

but if you want to go with 3x the amount of machines go for it

[quiet gust]

what about opackaged gasses?

[stray loom]

Too much work

I guess?

[quiet gust]

its like 4 extra machines on each end

cause they compress

[stray loom]

I know that but I wasn't the one complaning about it 😄

[quiet gust]

fair

[ivory condor]

sure that makes more sense, because its compression

[burnt ferry]

i was complaining about doing useless tasks.. but i dont care at all about that gas packaging

[quiet gust]

i wasnt even talking to u ( not in a mena way)

[ivory condor]

I'm not complaing, just refusing to do painful tasks

[burnt ferry]

right

[quiet gust]

mb if i sounded rude i meant i wasnt critqueing you

[silk ocean]

You were just simply stating a fact xD

[ivory condor]

I remember when I did packaging and unpackaging fuel plants in the past, and then I regretted all of my life decisions sometime after that

[burnt ferry]

all good..just saying the dude who said he wasnt complaining was the only one complaining, about me (and slecht maybe) not playing the game he prefers

i just picked up the wording, actually i was agreeing with slecht that its a waste to do the packaging thing 😂

[ivory condor]

That was before blenders though and then I realized how crazy some of my building was...

[burnt ferry]

my reaction when i saw the recipe for the first time 'this must be a bug' 😂

[ivory condor]

take a look at packaged liquid bio fuel

[burnt ferry]

or to be honest i was thinking, maybe there is some hidden use for that nonsense... but had no idea what that coulud be

[ivory condor]

now thats a recipe that makes sense

[burnt ferry]

i know..said that before

thats the only packaging im doing

trucks get raw coal

[cedar portal]

I wonder how much faster my game wwould run if I threw power shards into everything. It's an old save game i started in 2019 so most of the bulk stuff was built befoer shards were easy to make. So I have stuff like a tower of 110 smelters making aluminum and a whole ton of otherss that could be condensed down a LOT by 250%-ing them.

[burnt ferry]

110 smelters 😂

start bey replacing those with refineries and "pure *" recipes

[ivory condor]

I mean getting to oil, to package a resource that cant be automated, what even is this

[burnt ferry]

i havent build a smelter in ages

[cedar portal]

#screenshots message

[burnt ferry]

i believe you

[quiet gust]

you mean liquid biofuel aka the 2nd best fuel in the game?

[burnt ferry]

i have seen worse 😂

[ivory condor]

I want to do a creative save where I have limitless sloops and see what happens

[burnt ferry]

imo its best.. i can cross almost the entire map with it

[cedar portal]

@burnt ferry I am using the pure aluminum recipie 🙂

[burnt ferry]

lul

[quiet gust]

(ionized is technically better in burn time and height)

[ivory condor]

With basically of my machines having sloops, bet I would have alot of production

[burnt ferry]

i was about to say the only smelters iused was for alu when iwas to lazy to bring silica 😂

[burnt ferry]

i have yet to see that.. height is obvious but i have read different statements about longevity

[silk ocean]

Do you guys prefer hypercannons or portals? I have both but I almost always cannon, find it much more fun and versatile in direction and landing point

[quiet gust]

im pretty sure it lasts longer than liquid

[burnt ferry]

people seem to compare to burning the jetpack nonstop

[quiet gust]

!wikisearch jetpack

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[burnt ferry]

thats not how i use it... i always tap the spacebar only.. also when going up straight....

[ivory condor]

hypercannons are far cheaper so thats true

[silk ocean]

Yep lol

[ivory condor]

I like portals but they are more expensive to run

[quiet gust]

wiki says it has a 7 second longer burn time

[silk ocean]

They sure are yea

[burnt ferry]

ye like i said, that article is not taking my way of jetpackign into account..

[ivory condor]

cannons only require a bit of power to run, pretty cheap

[burnt ferry]

i think i can buy ionized from the shop already, havent tried it yet

[minor rock]

yeah but if the velocity is different that wont matter

[quiet gust]

it shouldnt make a difference i think

[cedar portal]

I have about 25 portalss AND hypercannon tubes AND hypercannon launchers. I use whatever I feel like at the time.

[ivory condor]

I would say hypercannons are still op even compared to portals

[silk ocean]

Yea is it 10 MW per entrance I think?

[burnt ferry]

it definitely does

[ivory condor]

but i think thats one mechanic that wasn't balanced with portals

[silk ocean]

All bases covered xD

[burnt ferry]

by tapping space instead of holding the thing holds MUCH longer... i mean thats obvious for any fuel type isnt it?

[ivory condor]

but i dont know what you would do besides making portals dirt cheap to use to

[hard ivy]

nothing in 1.0 is balaned properly 🙃

[quiet gust]

yeah but that shouldnt matter regardles

[cedar portal]

Sometimes I take a train, especially if I'm debugging a specific train route

[ivory condor]

hmm i wouldnt consider that fair, but cannons i would agree is true

[hard ivy]

it extends all fuels by the same % iirc
so relative comparisons are still valid

[silk ocean]

I was about to say I do the same, and sometimes just to enjoy all the work that went into the building of it

[burnt ferry]

i know... longui doenst get the point about me doubting that people test it that way when they say it holds longer

'it shouldnt matter' at least doesnt sound like longui is

[undone kestrel]

Didn't they purposefully keep cannons in the game though

[ivory condor]

@hard ivy but really do you think about 1.0 isn't balanced?

[hard ivy]

the wiki does list hover times with tapping in mind

[ivory condor]

Well I know what you think about FFRs already, so that would be one wouldnt it hmmmm

FFRs are pretty bad for usage definitely to, maybe even considered unbalanced

[burnt ferry]

oh wow

[hard ivy]

ionized and rocket fuel too, they nerfed default HMFs too even though they were shit even before 1.0

[burnt ferry]

this ionized fuel.. im.... impressed..... ABOUT HOW LOW THE AMOUNT OF EXTRA SECONDS IS

[hard ivy]

I don't like how sloops are implemented either

[burnt ferry]

53 vs 60.... the height is really intersting though

[quiet gust]

My favorite part is how burning ioniz3ed fuel is a net loss in power most of the time

speaking of which guess what factory is after this one

[ivory condor]

I'm equally amazed by just how bad that is

[hard ivy]

You can make default IF barely positive with a few augmenters (like 3?) kekw
not DIF, that's always bad

[burnt ferry]

damn.. i remember now what i did in my first playthrough.. i switched to the parachutre once i was in the air flying...

[quiet gust]

i did the amath its a 60% power boost assuming i did the math right Fortunately this factory rn is to makee an 120% power boost

[burnt ferry]

ionized fuel at least is not as much of a pita than dpf 👹

[ivory condor]

true i dont know what they were thinking, rocket fuel is worth using, ionized fuel is so bad i just wouldn't touch besides making a small amount for jetpack

[cedar portal]

I use Ionized for my jetpack and drones. Certainly is an improvement over rocket fuel.

[burnt ferry]

lul of course

[ivory condor]

I would touch that recipe all over if I could to make ionized fuel somehow worth using, as a alt

[quiet gust]

My second favorite ppart of ionized fuel is how dark ion fuel is a net loss in MJ energy

[mystic oriole]

It's like both Ionizing and Ficsonium Fuel is dependant on power boosting

[burnt ferry]

who uses rocket fuel? if any you compare to liquid biofuel for the jetpack

i just saw it does have the longet burn time

the ionized fuel makes up by speed

[ivory condor]

because imo, before tier 9, power options are worth using, but once you get to tier 9, it all falls off a cliff as far as being worth using

[hard ivy]

RF is so weird. TF is barely an upgrade over fuel in terms of effort per MW, but suddenly RF comes in, especially with nitro. and then IF is shit. it's like nobody at CS did the math

[cedar portal]

Ionized fuel gives the fastest drone speeds, tied with using nuclear rods.

[ivory condor]

aka i would touch all of that all over to make it all worth using in some way

[quiet gust]

well ficsonium is meant ot just make it so plutoinium has no waste, its not horrible in theory, just in practice

[quiet gust]

true but iirc its not a huge amount over rocket fuel or vbatteries

!wikisearch drones

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drones

[quiet gust]

ok i missremembered it like a 20% boost

[ivory condor]

In theory yes, but the problem is its so expensive you cant get rid of much plutonium waste with it either....

[cedar portal]

It would be great if it costs like 10% of the resources it does. I just have a small 10/min ficsonium plant just so I can feel like I am making ALL THE THINGS. But it certianly isn't worth it to power my factory with.

[ivory condor]

aka its a good idea, just insanely expensive which makes it not worth using for any idea route, for power or to simply get rid of waste

[cedar portal]

Yeah, it's not like twice as fast but makes a difference on long distance drone paths

[quiet gust]

SSure you can kjust, use like 30 sloops for saam so you dont need more than the world has in sam kekw

[stray loom]

Ionized fuel just seems designed to give us a use case for excess synthetic power shards but I'm not sure I really see the value in that

[quiet gust]

i actually do have that specific use as my power shard factories dmr is heavily interlinked witth the rest of the dmr so as to save diamonds, and that means i need have an poverflow line for shards which you casn only really do with ionized

[ivory condor]

Yeah taking down sam usage is a most for FFRs, because thats the real limiting facto

[quiet gust]

( or add more sam)

[ivory condor]

you'll run out of sam before anything else needless to say

[quiet gust]

how does one do strikethrough text ts pmo

[ivory condor]

like this?

[hard ivy]

it seems like an accident to me rather than being designed specifically for that
none of the numbers seem "designed" for anything

[quiet gust]

sii

[ivory condor]

its super easy

[white dawn]

Double-tildes. ~~like so~~

(Do a search for "Discord markdown" for other things you can do)

[ivory condor]

It's "designed" to drive us mad trying to understand the logic

[mystic oriole]

||I don't have a tilde key on my keyboard, I've got to program that in because I forgot||

[white dawn]

I suspect that Ionized must've only really been meant as a jetpack/vehicle fuel. IMO it's the best jetpack fuel by a decent margin; never looked back from switching on that

[atomic siren]

Hey guys, is there a wiki thats up to date/official/I should use? Trying to figure some stuff out for my first nuclear setup

[white dawn]

Though even the case for vehicle fuel is pretty weak, since there are many other fuels which are nearly as good

[white dawn]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/

[ivory condor]

||Don't worry guys I'm sure the next update will fix tier 9||

[white dawn]

(There's even a link to it on the game's main screen, I think!)

[mystic oriole]

the joys of a programmable keyboard

[quiet gust]

thats more like when a dlc or smth comes out

[ivory condor]

||The dlc will fix everything||

[hard ivy]

It just pisses mee off when people say Ionized is "designed" for this, or that Ficsonium is "designed" for that. No, that's what it currently is. So far, I haven't seen a single confirmation from the devs that yes, they are supposed to be exactly the way they are

[ivory condor]

I'm still trying to understand what this "designed" is referring to, because its so expensive you can't even get rid of much waste with it.....

[white dawn]

If they had made any grave/unintentional errors with balancing stuff, it'd've been patched shortly after 1.0 release

Yes, that's what it currently is, but IMO that is by far the best indication that things are meant for the niches they're in

[ivory condor]

Everytime people say this I'm still not understanding, even if its meant to only get rid of waste, sorry it doesn't do much of a good job at even doing that....

[mystic oriole]

perhaps balanced is a better term.
I think I remember Snut talking about how resources are balanced a certain way by design.

[white dawn]

I 100% agree that Ionized in particular is a bizarre case, but it does at least have one or two nice niches

re: Ficsonium yet again, it is very clearly designed to be what it is, IMO

[olive sandal]

redo my entire midgame/steel facility OR decorate my oil>plastic>fuel

[hard ivy]

being so expensive and so niche doesn't sound like good balancing to me 🤷‍♂️

[olive sandal]

I still gotta build my oil>fuel gens

[quiet gust]

both same time

[olive sandal]

bet

[quiet gust]

(insert both is good gif)

[ivory condor]

But of course as you say it isn't balanced for basically any "design"

[olive sandal]

im upset I cant use my pile of gifs in this server

[ivory condor]

I think the idea might have been to get rid of waste, but they messed up the math, so it ended up being bad at even doing that

[hard ivy]

you can, just not in this channel

[olive sandal]

im hand crafting computers rn

my trains need signals 😭

[hard ivy]

like sinking plutonium is literally both cheaper and easier

the only reason to make ficsonium is because you want to make ficsonium
it's not even the better choice for waste-free nuclear

[stray loom]

Go exploring. You can find a lot of computers at crash sites

[white dawn]

One last bit re: Ficsonium and then I'll shut up about it again: https://youtube.com/embed/DkZ6CDH7Zss?autoplay=1&start=1017&end=1124 <- Snutt, saying quite explicitly that Ficsonium's whole point is getting rid of Plutonium waste, and that it's the worst Nuclear fuel source in the game

(Via https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/features/crafting/ficsonium/)

[quiet gust]

its an oppurtunity cost recipoe, its point is not for power its point is to make power from plutonium without fear of waste

[ivory condor]

exactly, i think its as you say, someone at css messed up the math when they made these recipes, only thing that really makes sense

[white dawn]

I'm not sure how much evidence you need that Ficsonium's got a niche, and that niche is: 1) Burn Plutonium, 2) Clean Nuclear.

[white dawn]

Yeah, exactly. :)

[hard ivy]

Oh, I know about that. But that still doesn't prove it's supposed to be this bad. I have literally modded it to be several times cheaper and it's still bad.

it's so bad it's useless

[white dawn]

Again, your definition of "bad" doesn't apply to someone who wants: 1) Burn Plutonium, 2) Clean Nuclear

[ivory condor]

You need to touch it more than

[white dawn]

If you want both of those things, then Ficsonium is A+

If you don't want both of those things, then obviously it's not for you

If you don't believe that's a valid usecase, then fine, but just because you don't think it's worth it doesn't mean you've stumbled on some kind of Universal Truth

[mystic oriole]

how many APA's would I need to make it worth it, though?

[quiet gust]

ionized however is not its just bad imo

[quiet gust]

any i think causse iirc the cost of making it is nearly the same as the power the plants give off

[white dawn]

CSS flat-out says "Ficsonium is to get rid of nuclear waste, and it kind of sucks." 1.0 is released, and Ficsonium gets rid of nuclear waste and isn't a great power source itself. There is no conflict there.

You may not agree with what CSS wanted Ficsonium to be, but it is what CSS wanted it to be.

[ivory condor]

But what you don't understand I would want that and I still can't use it because its to expensive....Aka I will run out of sam ore before I run out of plutonium waste to process, that tells me something went wrong with the recipes

[mortal ginkgo]

We tried to explained to him many times that "Fisconium and Ionized" are meant to be the final push for getting rid of the waste/byproduct for power.

They aren't there to be a massive boost to power because someone who is burning pluto rods for power already making huge amount of power.

[white dawn]

It's a good thing that modding exists for if you want the game to be different. :)

[quiet gust]

how does ionized helop for byproduct

[mortal ginkgo]

I dunno what is the obession of people and them "I gonna use all uranium".

How about you dont? 😛

[ivory condor]

If this was balanced properly I would have able to process all of the plutonium waste I can produce before I run out of resources, the math is clearly messed up here

[white dawn]

If you're building so big that you literally can't process it all, you're in the realm of megaprojects that only a fraction of a percent of players are ever gonna run into, and I'm personally not bothered that there are limits once you get that far

Like, yeah, you're intentionally building out to edgecases where you're gonna start running out of materials. c'est la vie! Maybe you can't get completely clean nuclear at that scale

[olive sandal]

how do I get part numbers of something inside a storage container again

[white dawn]

That kind of limitation just doesn't bother me

[ivory condor]

Well your really not understanding our perspective to be honest or why we see the math as being messed up here

[hard ivy]

F

[mortal ginkgo]

gets rid of power shard which cant be sinked alone. I worded it wrong as byproduct

[mystic oriole]

Yup, I can see that, already at 1.1 TW of power

[olive sandal]

on signs* mb

[hard ivy]

then that's modded

[olive sandal]

fack

which mod

[white dawn]

I build out 450GW nuclear on my 1.0 save, and without any SAM slooping I was only using maybe 40-50% of the map's SAM for Ficsonium (don't know the exact number of the top of my head 'cause my only written-down number includes all the other SAM usage I was doing.)

[silent aurora]

Wonder if ionized fuel is drinkable

[quiet gust]

oh yeah, which i actually have used

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats the whole point and I dont know why it is so hard to get it.

Fisconium is there to "lol bro nuclear with no waste" project that only an ultra late game person needs to go and it is obviously a challenge for such people.

[quiet gust]

anything is edible at least once

[ivory condor]

At this point the only thing you can do is sink plutonium rods, because burning it just isnt worth it, even if I wanted to it isnt feasible because the rods are to expensive

[white dawn]

If you're building a TW of power, you're already in the realm of megaprojects which few people are going to approach

[mortal ginkgo]

Even if Fisconium Rod makes 1TW each, it wouldn't matter. You are already at a point where the power is not an issue to begin with.

[quiet gust]

im planning on 3 which actually happened on accident

[mortal ginkgo]

If a player is using ALL SAM, they are already at the limit and WAY past the ultra late game imho

[hard ivy]

nah, storing plutonium waste is totally viable. but if you want waste-free, ficsonium is shit. that's the issue

[ivory condor]

Indeed

[white dawn]

I'm not saying that nobody builds TWs of power, but I am saying that the people doing so are in the realm of edge-case megaprojects, and I just don't care if there are limitations at that scale

[quiet gust]

but i dont think the devs want you to have waste free easily

[hard ivy]

like 1.19 TW and you only need to store 224/min iirc

[ivory condor]

I can only conclude the math was messed up hard with these recipes

[hard ivy]

sinking plutonium is pretty easy

[mortal ginkgo]

Then do it lols.

I think Fisconium is a really good challenge to overcome.

[quiet gust]

eihter you sink a bynch of power from plutonium rods or waste a lot of reasources on being avble to burn it waste free

[fluid bluff]

As a waste-free option, Ficsonium basically needs to compete against the other waste-free option (Uranium plants only, sink all Plut rods) and I'm not sure it does

[white dawn]

"Waste" a lot of resources that I have literally no other use for. :)

[quiet gust]

i think the game just needs a few more normal sam nodes instead of so many impure

[ivory condor]

I can overcome it. I'll just mod to make it viable

[white dawn]

Again, its use case is: 1) I want to burn my Plutonium Rods. Sinking the Pu Rods I've already built is leaving free power on the floor, and I'm not going to do that. 2) But I still want clean nuclear

That's it! That's the usecase

If you don't care about both of those things, then yeah, it sucks

But there are people (I am one) who want both. And hey, look: Ficsonium!

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't think it will ever be enough. Some folks will go "BUT BRUH I CANT USE ALL IRON ORES NOW REEEEEEEEEEEEE".

[mystic oriole]

And there's so many other fuel sources on the map, so a little power draw here and there, couple APA's and you can do what you want without much for limitations.

[wild plume]

Somehow, me looking at/away from a light in the game has an actual noticeable difference in the speed of my gpu fan lmfao

[mortal ginkgo]

"I need to use all Uranium because game provides them" is just a silly thing to think to be fair.

You don't need all that power even if you made the most ridiculous factory ever built because SAM limits your end game items anyway.

THey are all around so you can choose which to use in different factory places etc.

[quiet gust]

fair

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont see people saying "I need to use all water" because its there.

[hard ivy]

it doesn't
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1g8pk8u/the_costs_of_powering_100_nuclear_power_plants/

[quiet gust]

i mean mostly on the stance of WTF I JUST KILLED AN EXTENDED FAMILY OF SPUIDERS FOR AN IMPURE NODE

[mortal ginkgo]

Eh, in that case I just take a good look at the scenery. Map is pretty, prettier and detailed than I expected 😛

[white dawn]

The other waste-free option that Ficsonium competes against, though, requires you to sink all those lovely Pu rods which you've already built

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, this is MUCH worse in Elden Ring mind you.

[white dawn]

Like, I'm just not going to sink free power.

[mortal ginkgo]

Going so deep in a complex dungeon only to find a weapon that you will never use

[white dawn]

And before I get Ficsonium set up, I'll happily just store the Pu waste (assuming I'm not building it out all at once)

But once I can get Ficsonium, I'm 100% doing it.

[ivory condor]

Problem is I do care about those things but I still cant use it and it still sucks.....

[gilded goblet]

I have, a very generalized question that I need multiple opinions on

[ivory condor]

because guess what happens is I try to process even 126/min plutonium waste, 100% sam usage, the math is broken

anybody can honestly see that

[white dawn]

And if you can't get 100% clean nuclear via Ficsonium after you've passed like 1TW of nuclear power generation, that just doesn't bother me. It's a limit hardly anyone's gonna hit

[hard ivy]

just because there's excactly 1 situation in which it's useful doesn't mean there shouldn't be more

[white dawn]

But the devs disagree. :)

[fluid bluff]

But the plut rods are not "free power" if you keep them waste-free, because the waste management costs a ton of resources and power as well

[white dawn]

And here I am, happily playing the game they made, rather than getting annoyed that it doesn't do something it wasn't meant to do. :)

[ivory condor]

when I can barely process any plutonium waste and I'm already running out of all sam ore the map has to offer, something has gone very wrong here indeed

[white dawn]

Ficsonium is net-power-positive; you're not losing power by making Ficsonium.

And the resources don't matter. I made half a terawatt of nuclear power on my 1.0 save and didn't come close to exhausting the slooped SAM maximum

[mortal ginkgo]

if you are overusing uranium, sloop all SAM making constructors with 250% OW

[ivory condor]

Too bad won't be able to do anything else with sam, because you'll be using all of the sam ore in the world to make the rods

[olive sandal]

my station isnt docking

[white dawn]

The vast majority of Satisfactory players are not building at a scale where Ficsonium is going to exhaust SAM

[olive sandal]

great

[mortal ginkgo]

there are also SAM saving recipes

[ivory condor]

and thats just for processing 126/min plutonium waste, which isnt even that much

[fluid bluff]

but it's less of a net gain than you would get if you just scaled up your production to burn more Uranium and sink more Plutonium

[white dawn]

I agree that this channel attracts people who like to build huge, and yeah, if you are doing really huge projects with power, you might not be able to Ficsonium 'em

[hard ivy]

oh so that means the devs can just give the middle finger to the ones that do?

[white dawn]

Not if you factor in all the Plutonium you're leaving on the ground. :)

[gilded goblet]

Say I have the base motor recipe and it produes 5 per minute. and I have a rotor recipie that produces 11.25 per minute, but my motors only need 10. should I underclock the rotors to make 10? or overclock the motors to the amount of rotors I produce?, same with stators, should I make exactly 11.25 because the ratio of motor and stator is exactly the same? should I produce 12 instead of 11.25, should I produce 11 and fuck off the .25? What should I do in general when these situations occur.

[white dawn]

It's just a limit. I don't care that you have to make choices like that if you're building that big

You're stretching the game's limits, of course you're going to run into limits

[remote wasp]

just make a mod that lets you do what you want to do

[fluid bluff]

if you want to use the "plutonium you're leaving on the ground" then you have to factor in the cost of processing it

which is less than the cost of just using more uranium and sinking more plut

[ivory condor]

I vote we just touch the FFRs recipes more until its good

[white dawn]

But then I've got even more Plutonium that I'm leaving on the ground.

[hard ivy]

you weren't really able to exhaust anything except uranium in the past

[ivory condor]

If we mod hard enough FFRs can become viable to use

[white dawn]

I'm just saying, that is the use case. I am a person (and I'm not alone) who, if I'm making Plutonium Rods, am going to burn those rods.

I'm just not going to sink Plutonium; leaving all that power on the ground is, to me, silly. (Not calling anyone else silly for doing so; I'm just not gonna do it myself)

I'm not gonna leave that much power just headed into the sink.

Sure, yes, if I got more Uranium and made more Uranium power, then maybe that's "cheaper." I could also go build out more Rocket Fuel instead!

[remote wasp]

you can either under/over clock machines to be exact matches, or sink, or just live with the fact that your machines will turn on and off. Personally I go with the last option, it also ensures that I have extras if I need to grab them for building projects

[wheat parcel]

i just entered tier 5 and i made a 15 motor per minute factory, is that good?

[white dawn]

The point is: I've made the Pu Rods. They're getting burned.

And then if I still want clean nuclear after that fact, I've got Ficsonium.

[remote wasp]

no matter how much you build, you'll need to build more later, expand as you go

[gilded goblet]

i see, but I'm planning on automating EVERYTHING so I wouldn't really need to "grab extras"

[wheat parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1197426324055277610/1197816404381020211/image.gif

[white dawn]

(And, yeah, if I get past like 1TW of nuclear production, maybe Ficsonium's no longer feasible. c'est la vie! It was my choice to build that big. I'm not bothered that choosing to build huge imposes limitations on me)

Anyway, enough of that. :D I'll desist.

[ivory condor]

Building huge isn't the problem its that there isn't any point to build those huge setups, becaue again I'll run out of sam ore long before I run out of plutonium waste, so if I want that clean energy route, i have no options

but thats because the devs made the rods to expensive, so i couldnt even make any of that how I would want, even to process the waste

[mortal ginkgo]

"I have no options" uwot

[remote wasp]

I meant more for like constructing buildings and stuff like that, or for doing hub upgrades

[gilded goblet]

ahh

[white dawn]

It 100% is building huge. Realistically, what percentage of players are building >1TW of nuclear?

[true mulch]

!wikisearch independency

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[ivory condor]

Yes because 126/min needs 100% sam, thats the entire world supply, leaving no sam for production of anything else

[mystic oriole]

And maybe I'll take a little bit of Plutonium waste to turn it into Ficsonium Fuel just to say I did. I don't have to go crazy.

[ivory condor]

aka it isnt viable for me to use to process waste

[true mulch]

@gilded goblet always build just what you need, check this wiki page for details

[mortal ginkgo]

dont use that much then? I mean said like "clean energy is not an option" while it is lol

[cedar portal]

I think the reason Ficsonium bothers me so much is it feels like a bait and switch. WIth uranium you can either produce waste, or recycle it, and recycling at worst was about the same difficulty and resource drain as making the uranium. I can reprocess as much as I make. So when they added a new step, letting you chose waste or reprocess again... it just feels bad that it's so expensive and you can only recycle a small amount. It feels like a bad joke, or just bad banalcing.

[quiet gust]

that is what sloops are for

[white dawn]

I mean, I disagree with the "small amount" bit too.

[ivory condor]

Thats not the point, the point is people keep saying you can easily use that to get rid of plutonim waste and thats only true if you have a very small amount of plutonium waste, because it gets very expensive, very fast

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, a player can NOT make any ultra-demanding power user buildings for things like Pasta because copper ore is the hard cap.

You guys are like Elden Ring players who thinks game should be defeatable because there is dodge, but complain when it is hard.

Maybe, don't go naked without leveling 😛

[white dawn]

I know that my 450GW nuclear setup isn't huge by some standards, but that's using like a quarter of the available SAM on the map (so long as you're willing to sloop)

[mortal ginkgo]

People who are slooping SAM makers are making tons of SAM and also using some recipes that either lower or remove SAM requirements from some recipes.

Maybe you are doing something wrong.

[white dawn]

Like that's just not awful. And if I'd been more careful with my recipe selection, I'd've had even less (using Fertile at the Pu stage isn't the best, if you're using all other nuclear alts)

I wasn't even close to running out of SAM, and I had what I consider a respectable nuclear setup, all through Ficsonium

[remote wasp]

maybe it's okay that there are some limitations imposed by the game, or if you don't agree with those limitations, it is very possible to mod the game to make it exactly as you want it to be

[ivory condor]

Thats what SFTools is giving me, its 100% sam usage

The math isn't wrong in this, the math is messed up basically

[mystic oriole]

so what's the take on making blueprints that can include miners?

[viral tendon]

I've come to decision that i might start a new game and beat the game 2nd is that good idea

[quiet gust]

are those the ones that let you get way too much from anty node

[hard ivy]

I think I already touched them enough. At least to the point where calcs prefer ficsonium over sinking plutonium. But not good enough for them to prefer it over storing plut waste

[ivory condor]

Guess its over

Well maybe I'll make some recipes to fix this mess

I have some ideas of what I could do to make it not terrible

[hard ivy]

Have fun!
10 recipes only took me like a month 🙃

[mystic oriole]

I've in the past run into merged saves that puts more than one miner on a node. But the blueprints that let you do it I think are about as cheaty as the belt dupe.

[noble sand]

how do i split a line of 75/m into 60 and 15

[quiet gust]

idrc its ur world

[ivory condor]

I would consider it a long term project

[hard ivy]

a splitter

[quiet gust]

use a splitter between the two and give it time, the 15 per min line will overfill then the 60 line will get what it needs

[trim vine]

take a splitter, send 15 somewhere, and 60 elsewhere, and it will manifold over

[mystic oriole]

true, it is a non-competative single player world with some multiplayer aspects so I get it.

[hard ivy]

and i hope you know python at least enough to run python files because the only calculator I know of that can calc modded recipes is written entirely in python and doesn't have a GUI

[quiet gust]

i was about to say what competitive single player games are there, then i remembered spelunky

[remote wasp]

tetris

[mystic oriole]

donky kong

[ivory condor]

Not at all, im in terrible probably

but yes not being able to calculate modded recipes is a little problem hmmmm

[reef basin]

you don't know tools?

[hard ivy]

you can also self-host a Tools instance but the python calc is probably gonna be easier at this point

I can at least help you with Optimizer

though greeny can probably can help you with tools

[ivory condor]

Maybe I would need to figure out how to calculate and optimize for modded recipes definitely

[noble sand]

that actually

makes a lot of sense

i should use manifolds more

[quiet gust]

only downside isit takes time to fill up

[silk ocean]

The early ones have to progressively fill their buffers, at first it may seem not enough

[white dawn]

You can bypass the warm-up time by prefilling the machine's input buffers, of course, though that does depend on having enough material onhand to do so

[silk ocean]

Yea, or I guess you could do a hybrid balancer / manifold design, or even just 1 stage by feeding to the middle and sending left/right

[white dawn]

Yeah, can just kind of eyeball a "balancer" without worrying about getting things right; it'll level out eventually even if it's a bit wonky

[silk ocean]

Yep 🙂

[remote wasp]

not like that time matters tho, just go do something else while it fills

[viral tendon]

Damn, when did they update new game screen

[silk ocean]

menu?

[viral tendon]

Ye

[silk ocean]

1.1 wasn't it ?

[viral tendon]

Grass fields for life ❤️

[silk ocean]

Peaceful.. ish xD

Sounds of nuke nobelisks intensify

[white dawn]

Yeah, they have a new start screen for each "major" update; 1.1 was the most recent

Would be kind of neat to be able to switch between 'em, though I wonder if some of them wouldn't work right anymore

[silk ocean]

I forget even what the last one was now

[faint epoch]

did they cheange the size of the spiders i found one and it was huge

[quiet gust]

there are 3 sizes

im pretty sure spiders are the only enemy type that have never significantly changed

[faint epoch]

yeah it was the green kind and there were two the normal size and this one who i think was bugged

[quiet gust]

green is the largest

[faint epoch]

yes

[keen oriole]

I've never built nuclear before but I'm about to start for the first time what should I read?

[white dawn]

The codex will tell you all you need!

[faint epoch]

almost

all you need

[white dawn]

It's a recipe chain just like any other. I suppose the one thing that might not be in there is the rate of waste production?

[quiet gust]

it isnt

[white dawn]

I suppose that's one potentially-not-obvious thing to keep in mind: if you're just burning Uranium at the moment, you'll want to know how much waste you're producing, and make sure you've got sufficient storage (usually offshore somewhere) to keep it until you get to Plutonium (if you do Plutonium)

Once you have your waste-production rate, you'll know how much time a single ISC will get you. Can put together blueprints of ISC grids which would give you X hours of worry-free playtime. :)

[viral tendon]

Yaaaay new game yaaay a month more of satisfactory

[mortal ginkgo]

funny enough pluto waste is actually really low and someone can have like 10k hours of storage capacity in a corner of the map and be fine without fisco 😛

[keen oriole]

Cool ok..then when there's too much waste I just delete it and create a fresh empty blueprint?

[white dawn]

Yeah, Pu waste particularly is quite trivial

Though I'm of the opinion that even Uranium's not bad. The radiation dropoff is exponential so even if you're storing a lot of Uranium waste, you're not gonna be irradiating the whole map

[faint epoch]

i have the sulution too all your problems with nuc waste

[white dawn]

Nope, the only way to get rid of Uranium waste is to convert it into Plutonium Fuel Rods

Then you can either sink the Pu Rods for a clean nuclear solution, or burn the Pu Rods for Even More Power™

[faint epoch]

thats wrong you can flush it 1 at a time

[white dawn]

Burning the Pu rods will create Plutonium Waste, but yeah, as mentioned it accumulates a lot more slowly than U Waste, so it's even easier to store

[white dawn]

Heh, I hadn't gotten around to that caveat yet, thx. :D

[mortal ginkgo]

Its technically not a solution since you can have a large enough waste/min that you cant just keep up with one flush at a time

[white dawn]

Yeah, I was wondering what the actual flush timing is like

[faint epoch]

all you hav eto do is get an unpaid worker and they will flush the toilet

[mortal ginkgo]

as fast as your age 😛

[white dawn]

I seem to think it's at least like 3-5 seconds per flush?

[mortal ginkgo]

why unpaid? 😛

[faint epoch]

slave

[mortal ginkgo]

oioioioioioi

[faint epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/master-finish-finished-working-over-gif-27234987

[silk ocean]

You can flush them down the toilet? xD

[faint epoch]

yes

[silk ocean]

Whoa lol

[white dawn]

I wonder if the toilet flush is properly locked in multiplayer. If you had four people, could they each be flushing stuff at the same time?

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that when we say "1 at a time" we mean one item at a time, not a stack. :D

So its practicality is quite limited. :)

[silk ocean]

Yea not practical xD And you have to do it yourself too I assume?

[faint epoch]

i have a car qestion for anyone who knows cars

[white dawn]

Yeah, no toilet-flush automation (without, possibly, mods)

[silk ocean]

Seems like the worst job in the world lol

[white dawn]

Transmission! Oil change! Steering column!

[faint epoch]

what about a w16

[crisp edge]

does anyone know how many coal generators 3 water extractors underclocked to 84% should be able to support?

[silk ocean]

6 I think

[white dawn]

On the water extractor that's clocked to 84%, what is it telling you the extraction rate is?

[crisp edge]

100.8, so i have the full 300/min on the pipes, just don't know how far that's supposed to stretch. was having trouble getting water to the end of my pipe system, so i tried a water tower tip i found on youtube, and i have 300 flowrate at the base of the tower, but the pipe is still almost empty, i assume because the generators are drinking it all. just not sure how to handle it.

[radiant swallow]

is there a way to make a drone only take the tour to it's destination once it's full?

[white dawn]

Okay, so check out a coal generator -- how much water/min does it say it needs?

[radiant swallow]

i don't want it to constantly fly around with like 20 items

[silk ocean]

If the head lift is more than 10m then a pump is required

[white dawn]

Nope, the only situation in which a drone will wait is if it's unfueled, if another drone is at the port it's about to land at, or if it can't fully unload its cargo (it'll just wait at the port until it's empty)

[radiant swallow]

sigh

good thing resources are infinite

[crisp edge]

yeah, i get you, 50 for a gen = 6 for 300 water demand. what i don't know how to do is add more water to the system. if the max capacity on a pipe is 300, just adding another extractor won't do anything

[white dawn]

It's probably better than my train route whose sole job was transferring 2/min HMF. :D

[silk ocean]

You just have to split it up, more plumbing for the next 6 generators, etc.. Until you unlock the 600 pipes

[ivory condor]

Well if it wasn't infinite it would be a fun time

[white dawn]

Heh, I'd recommend checking again, but coal gens at 100% actually consume 45/min water. :)

[crisp edge]

good catch, i was looking at the amound of water in teh building lmao

[white dawn]

So technically a little over 6

[white dawn]

Yeah, easy mistake. :)

[radiant swallow]

im just too lazy to pipe in the nitric gas to my plutonium plant so i use a drone with packagers lol

[crisp edge]

in any case, my first 5 gens are all full with water. after that, they're running on droplets

[ivory condor]

Actually it would be a race against the clock, to finish the game before you run out of resources

[radiant swallow]

if it wasn't infinite, using trains or drones would be a detrement because you'd be wasting resources all the time

[ivory condor]

Yep that, because anything would that wastes resources

[white dawn]

So typically the ratio that gets recommended is keeping everything at 100% and having 3 extractors to 8 coal gens. That does mean that you're moving 360/min over pipes which can only handle 300/min, so you have to do some more creative piping to get that to work. If you wanted to sort of spoil yourself on some piping solutions which work: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#/media/File:Coal_Generator_Schematic.png

[ivory condor]

Infact belts might be in the new meta, because that would have the most fixed cost

[golden bobcat]

hey how do i switch to 1st person in the train?

[viral tendon]

Early game satisfactory is such a pain in the ass, you can't do anything

[white dawn]

(those aren't the only way to pipe 'em, of course; I actually tend to do something different on my builds)

[white dawn]

I don't think you can, without mods.

[civic timber]

Im trying to play with friends with the steam join stuff but upon opening the game, it keeps trying to "Re-authenticates" and just keeps timing out-
Does anyone else has this issue?...........

[golden bobcat]

k thanks

[robust imp]

Does anyone know why when I go into build mode? My game becomes super choppy and laggy I have a 4090 riyzen seven 7800 X 3-D and 64 GB DD or five and I don’t feel like I should be having this issue.

[ivory condor]

So if the game has finite resources i would actually be running belts across the world hmmm

[radiant swallow]

if you can't stop your factory from wasting resources, using anything but belts would be stupid because you'd need oil for much more important goods

[keen oriole]

When I played multiplayer months ago, I could never connect first try. Only second try.

[crisp edge]

based on what you're saying, i should be fine right now, but anything after my fifth generator just isn't getting water. i'll look though

[golden bobcat]

large blueprints collision detection may cause lag even at top tier pcs

[ivory condor]

Yep, belts would become my future

[abstract heron]

When does the css team come back

[robust imp]

I don’t really use much blueprints at all and if I do, they’re rather small as far as the collision detection is there any way to fix that by chance?

[rocky haven]

Just coming back to Satisfactory after a year. Has something changed with Conveyor lifts? I am trying to connect a lift to a lift wall and have the items point away from the wall like I always used to be able to do and when it gets created it always faces the wall, so you can't see any items.

[ivory condor]

Never, they said they weren't coming back

[white dawn]

There's no set time; technically it's just a bunch of folks taking vacations at times which end up overlapping. I don't think they ever go completely dark, but it's more of an inverse bell curve, probably

[golden bobcat]

idk tbh

[viral tendon]

Can we have start at tier 3 option or whenever we get coal gens

[white dawn]

Yep, enable Advanced Game Settings; can start whenever you like progressionwise

[viral tendon]

Uh it feels like cheating

[ivory condor]

Something about here's the finished game, we have had enough working on this game

[white dawn]

It is available right via the game menus themselves. :)

[abstract heron]

Or just summer vacation

[abstract heron]

1.2?

[white dawn]

Also, it's a singleplayer game (or a coop game with friends). If the people (maybe just yourself!) playing the game don't care if you "cheat," then who else would care?

If you want to skip Phase 1, go for it! There's still plenty factory to build

[viral tendon]

But i can't get the achievments tho...

[abstract heron]

I love the game I do play it with mods

But I play my way

[ivory condor]

Canceled

[mortal ginkgo]

I care about people who cheats in singleplayer games it triggers me yes I am a reddit mod how did you know?!

[white dawn]

That is a downside, yeah. Though if you do care about that, you could clear out the AGS flag with SCIM

[abstract heron]

If they do 1.2 what will they add

[ivory condor]

Better tier 9 recipes i hope

[white dawn]

I'm still waiting for those lasers.

[viral tendon]

Can u teach me i really don't want to go through that tier 1 and 2 bullshist

[white dawn]

I have faith that you could figure it out. :D

(I actually don't know where in SCIM the options are to clear that stuff. I know it's in there somewhere; just poke around)

[ivory condor]

Tier 9 feels like a work in progress still, so I hope if 1.2 happens they work on that more

[abstract heron]

NO

[abstract heron]

I want more ficmas stuff and what is after current game

[white dawn]

Honestly IMO the chances of them tweaking recipes/resources/etc outside of a very major "2.0" update or whatever are essentially nil

I don't think they're willing to break existing factories post-1.0

Tier 9 is what it is, at this point

[hard ivy]

especially the lack of alts

[white dawn]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they continue to tweak FICSMAS at all

[abstract heron]

I want a ficmas train skin

I am not in game due to irl heat

[ivory condor]

Yep, alts, and it wouldnt break existing factories either, that would be perfect for 1.2

[abstract heron]

Me hot and Smokey

[ivory condor]

I would like 1.2 if it happens to have alts, especially to make things in tier 9 more worth using

[abstract heron]

Probably more tier 9 stuff and after game stuff

[ivory condor]

Your not considering alt recipes😉

Alt recipes we would safe and not break any factories

[abstract heron]

And maybe MORE THINGS

[white dawn]

Yeah, I agree that adding some T9 (or otherwise) alts would be unlikely to be too balance-breaking. I am still willing to bet upwards of $0.05USD that there will be no recipe changes prior to a hypothetical 2.0, though

Though I've been wrong before, so time will tell. :)

We do have some spare hard drives still, of course!

[abstract heron]

Like I want more in tier 9 as things to do

[ivory condor]

Remember devs said no pipes😉

[abstract heron]

I am not close to tier 9 atm

[ivory condor]

And now, pipes are everywhere

[abstract heron]

Mk3 pump and pumps

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, they've certainly trolled us in the past.

[ivory condor]

The devs already said 600 is borderline what the game can handle

[abstract heron]

New ores

New techs after finishing the game

[mortal ginkgo]

it is indeed interesting that some games are meant to be finished when you finish it

makes you wonder about the meaning of life and all that

[ivory condor]

Satisfactory: Space Age

[white dawn]

Yeah, genuinely new tier-like content is almost certainly only ever gonna be in something like DLC or "Satisfactory 2" or something, if they decide to do that kind of thing

[finite grove]

hullo

[sterile blade]

@ mod, ban @white dawn for gambling on the future of the game

[finite grove]

Where can i go for some advice?

[sterile blade]

Here is fine for simple stuff. #1038092680493801533 for in-depth help with screenshots and #design-and-architecture and #math-and-meta for more specialized help

[white dawn]

here is fine. If you have a more in-depth question (especially one requiring screenshots), #1038092680493801533 may be better....

... and I see I was beaten to it. :D

[finite grove]

tyy

[ivory condor]

This discussion has now lost me

We need more mews

[ashen trail]

The Pipeline Pump item says that headlift doesn't stack... how do you move fluids up real high if you can't stack pumps on a line?

[hard ivy]

put them every 20/50m

(depending on pump tier 20 for mk1, 50 for mk2)

[wet fox]

Yea it’s basically just saying you can’t toss 3 in sequence next to each other for a big boost

[viral tendon]

How do i remove advanced settings tag with scim ion really want to grind for tier 3

[ivory condor]

I agree cast to the shadow realm

[ashen trail]

gotcha, so you can't put two mk1s together to make 40, but spacing them out will give you 20 twice... does the second one in the line just reset the number to 20? Like, I run a pump up 15, then put in another one... does the 5 remaining just become 20 out of the second pump?

[quiet gust]

yeah but without them pipes would be boring

[wet fox]

Shrimply make a really tall water tower with the storage on top so, aside from the pumps to get the fluid there, you never have to use a pump again

[reef basin]

yeah don't do that

just use pumps normally

[ivory condor]

Well

Everyone loves pipe sloshing

[sterile blade]

A pump always resets prior headlift before adding their own, so the headlift is always 20m from the last pump

[ivory condor]

You know what this game needs more, even more pipe sloshing

[ashen trail]

so I would just use platforms to guesstimate how high I've lifted the fluids and when it is 20ish (a little less), just throw a new pump on

[hard ivy]

instead of adding exponential decay, add exponential growth

[stray loom]

Package everything and move solid containers instead

[ivory condor]

Do you enjoy train tornados to

[sterile blade]

I prefer using walls, but yes.
After you've added and powered the first pump, you also get a ring-effect across the pipeline, showing how far headlift reaches... not perfect, but it can help (it's recommended to put pumps slightly below the max advertised)

[ivory condor]

I promise if you play with me you'll have plenty of train tornadoes

[still arch]

anybody know why when i put water extractor to coal powerline sooner or later entire power system always turned off?

[ivory condor]

Or i can have more pipe sloshing

[wet fox]

Depends on the layout, like if the pipes travel too far up, if the pipes aren’t arranged in a loop, number of extractors etc etc

Hard to say without all the info

[undone crow]

Ok so I can put railing on inclines (ramps) but I can't seem to get road barriers to snap to inclines (ramps) is there a way to do this?

[finite grove]

oh questions and help is where i should have put my question

[quiet gust]

you cant put them on inclines more than a 2m ramp

[undone crow]

These are 1m

[quiet gust]

wait i misraed as rails

[wet fox]

That’s something they should add into 1.2: diagonal road barriers for inclines

[undone crow]

Rails work fine.

[abstract heron]

1.2 should be things and stuff

[undone crow]

Ok maybe its not just me.

[ivory condor]

Im still waiting for coated concrete walls i still believe one day the game will have it

[wet fox]

True!

[abstract heron]

Like a good Chunk of things and stuff to do after the game

[wet fox]

Yea I ended up just giving up and used painted beams for inclines instead

[abstract heron]

Is completed

More gases more resources

More machines maybe

[burnt ferry]

i want heat to play a role

[uncut trail]

broo i js realised all my fuel generators failed bcs storage was full with polymer resin

[hard ivy]

why are you not sinking it?

[uncut trail]

whats that

[hard ivy]

awesome sink

[uncut trail]

aa

[burnt ferry]

like say you have a steam turbine, you have to make sure it maintains a base temperature of below 100 degrees, otherwise it stops working

[uncut trail]

damn thats smart

too bad i just deleted 10 industrial storage worth

[burnt ferry]

hm valueable resin

[uncut trail]

ty for tip bro

[undone kestrel]

Turbines require steam so below 100 degrees would actually not work at all 😝

[white dawn]

Yeah, for basically any process which generates byproducts (which you'll start encountering more and more of), you'll need to make sure to process the byproduct somehow to not muck up the original system. For solids, the AWESOME sink is a great way to do that if you don't have any other ideas at hand. You can also often use the byproducts in other factories, though, too

Like Polymer Resin is nice for making extra Plastic+Rubber; on my 1.0 save I ended up using the excess Resin from my first Fuel-Gen area to make Computers and High-Speed Connectors, for instance

But yeah, make sure to process your byproducts. :)

[finite grove]

what happens if you shoot down the big flying glider bug in the sky?

[white dawn]

Nothing, because there's no way to do so. :)

[finite grove]

o h. Well rip my 100 rebar

[white dawn]

heh

[quiet gust]

jump on top of it rq : )

[finite grove]

we can? how?

[quiet gust]

but jumping on it, use something to get height

[finite grove]

oh

[hard ivy]

PWRs use ~300C water as coolant

[finite grove]

im assuming its phase thorugh?

[hard ivy]

nope

[undone kestrel]

Yeah because it is highly pressurised

[finite grove]

we can ride the glider bug???

[wicked nacelle]

I'm at the point where adding more trains hurts my throughput not helps it 😕 I need a traffic overlay like they have in simcity style games

[hard ivy]

yeah, I'm saying even 100C wouldn't generate steam efficiently

[undone kestrel]

Yeah thats what i said lol

[hard ivy]

if you set them to depart when empty/full, adding extra trains will at worst do absolutely nothing

and you'll actually be able to max out your stations

[wicked nacelle]

maybe I can find some places to do that on one end of my train trips. but most of them are grabbing from shared resources so they can't wait until full. If for no other reason then the trains backing up too far while waiting

[inner echo]

There is a mod that might help. Dynamic Train Routing.

[ashen trail]

so I paper diagrammed out an alclad aluminum stuff factory, and I think my numbers are good... is there a tool to vfy it with before I build, or do I just have to do it live and pray?

[wicked nacelle]

That could be fun to play with but I have room to optimize... I just wish there was an overlay that showed where trains have to wait so I could optimize routes/junctions

[wicked nacelle]

satisfactory tools, satisfactory calculator, the app on steam that I don't know the name of... probably more

[hard ivy]

Satisfactory Calculator is literally worse than pen and paper

but the other 2 are good

[wicked nacelle]

it's the one that works best for what I want it to do

[inner echo]

Just build it in such a way is easily dismantled with the scim.

[ashen trail]

I did do it with pen and paper

well, pencil and paper

[hard ivy]

???

[wicked nacelle]

it always does a great job doing what I ask it for

[hard ivy]

nah, there's no way this piece of shit is ever better than anything else

[wicked nacelle]

its' good enough for me and it doesn't do stupid stuff like tools does -- ":hey let's make everything with converters and sam"

you have to turn off the dumb stuff before you can even start with tools

[hard ivy]

just do the same thing in tools you'd so in SCIM - enable only the things you want to use

[ashen trail]

I am worried about the water reuse I am going to try with the output of the aluminum scrap refineries... I don't have much luck with water

[hard ivy]

SCIM literally can't calc some chains

[ashen trail]

like for my coal power plant, I have to use 4 water extractors for 8 buildings, even though by the numbers 3 should be perfect

[hard ivy]

plus if you're selecting all recipes manually, you might as well use Modeler

[ashen trail]

the two at the end always toggle on and off like the water isn't making it there

[hard ivy]

are you putting all the water through one pipe?

[fading compass]

man its difficult to get phase 2 done

[wicked nacelle]

and of course tools does a terrible job with nuclear power whereas calculator gets it right every time

[hard ivy]

I have bad news for you about phase 4

[fading compass]

u mind helping me out?

[ashen trail]

3 of them through a single mk2 pipe, so shoving 360m3 of water through a pipe that supposedly carries 600m3

[wicked nacelle]

helping with what?

[fading compass]

getting past phase 2

[wicked nacelle]

if someone does 2 for you you're screwed later. The game is set up to gradually lead you into more additional complexity at each stage

[versed plinth]

the entirety of phase 2 is probably the difficulty of simplest of the phase 4 elevator parts.

[inner echo]

I am putting together a piece of crap Not Ikea flat pack furniture. I think Satisfactory has helped me in this mighty endeavor.

[hard ivy]

check for a mk1 segment. maybe you have one somewhere bottlenecking everything to 300

[versed plinth]

you can ask for help but asking for someone "to help you out" might be a bit too much imo

[wicked nacelle]

Just put down the machines that make what you want then figure out how to feed them. put down those machines, feed those machines... etc. If you do that, the game basically plays itself

[viral tendon]

I think i underestimated how hard the early game satisfactory is

I uh, don't want to make a new safe file now

I'm uh fine

[ashen trail]

I did that, it was fresh built with all mk2 pipes (minus the pump because it didn't indicate throughput as a metric), had no mk1 on the bar.

one line of 8 (which I built at the same time) worked fine, the other needed the 4th water pump

[unkempt blade]

it's a lot easier after you've seen how it works once or twice but early game definitely still takes time to finish

[wicked nacelle]

you can walk through your pipe segments one at a time and see where they stop being full. If you're pumping in more than you're getting out then somewhere there's a "clog"

[hard ivy]

ah, yes, not being able to calc the recycling loop, or ratioing DMCs properly is definitely getting it right

[inner echo]

Early game it's easy to get caught trying to build proper 'factories'. But I find it best...at every new production chain...to just throw stuff down on the dirt and get durty.

[viral tendon]

I've completed the game but i don't want to deal with making every base item again every factory for every base resource i am NOT doing ts

[wicked nacelle]

it knows where uranium waste comes from.

tools fails instantly

[reef basin]

tools don't pretend it's a recipe

[viral tendon]

I would do it if i had like a prebuilt with all base items production and coal power

[wicked nacelle]

right because it's bad

calculator understands that a nuclear reactor is a form of production

[hard ivy]

it should tho

[reef basin]

no

it should know how power is made and do power properly

it shouldn't pretend it's a recipe, because it's not a recipe

[quiet gust]

but it has an output...

it may as well be a recipe

[viral tendon]

Any idea on what do i do with my completed safe file

[quiet gust]

blow it up

[viral tendon]

Nope

[hard ivy]

from a typical user perspective, it's basically a recipe

[quiet gust]

sell it on the black market

[viral tendon]

Nope

i mean any ideas on what do i build

[quiet gust]

ythe black market

[viral tendon]

I'm not building a fucknig black market

[quiet gust]

well it can be a build

idk make ikea lamps in there

[reef basin]

unfortunately, "basically a recipe" doesn't mean that code will work just fine with a fake recipe that doesn't do what normal recipes do

[quiet gust]

why can't it...

[viral tendon]

Any ideas on mega factories

[quiet gust]

can you not just code a nuclear gen to be a production machine

[hard ivy]

well, idk how you coded it but in Optimizer, I can just make shit up and it'll work with it

[quiet gust]

ikea lamp factory ( fiscosium fuel rod factory)

[viral tendon]

I think ther are better ways to use SAM

[quiet gust]

well ur post game who gaf how you use anything

[reef basin]

• it is made in a machine that doesn't have production speed
• it is made in a machine that doesn't have power consumption
• it would appear in recipe list in codex (incorrect)
• it has different clock speed calculations

[quiet gust]

fair i suppose but likeee

[distant condor]

i need a satisfactory veteran to help me understand where im loosing the slightest effiiency beceause im losing my mind tryna fix this

[viral tendon]

What is up

[quiet gust]

what kind of factory]

[viral tendon]

I'm not satisfactory veteran btw

[viral tendon]

Satis

[quiet gust]

io

[distant condor]

its a small rotor factory nothing complicated but im missing something an idk what it is

im new

[reef basin]

different codebase with different assumptions

in my code I make minimal assumptions and implement things properly, or not at all. fake recipes never ended well in the past 🤷

[hard ivy]

• no machine has a production speed
• it has a negative power consumption
• fair (not that anyone would mind it imo)
• current tools don't support clocking anyway

[viral tendon]

What are we talking about

[reef basin]

• all machines have production speeds in Docs. Back in time they even had different production speeds. I'm not risking this happening again, hence why I implement production speed properly
• negative power consumption isn't listed in Docs as negative, would have to hardcode/make exceptions for it
• ...
• current tools do support clocking, just not fully

[quiet gust]

Why tools doesn't support nuclear power plant production lines

[viral tendon]

Do i make another 70k MW nuclear factory what do we thin

[viral tendon]

The big ones probably not

[quiet gust]

not until you call it gw

[viral tendon]

70k gw?

[hard ivy]

*GW

[quiet gust]

no cause it doesnt turn fuel rods into waste in the calucalor

[quiet gust]

shift keys are scary

[quiet gust]

70 GW

[viral tendon]

I am losing the plot

[hard ivy]

caps lock exists too

[quiet gust]

i hate caps lock

[viral tendon]

I hate calling 70k MW 70 GW

[quiet gust]

why

[viral tendon]

Why

[hard ivy]

so you hate being right

[quiet gust]

cause i accidentally hit it wqhen trying to press shift

[viral tendon]

Only in this specific case

And the greeny is the one who made me hate it so yeah

[vocal patrol]

gm yall

[viral tendon]

Good morning

[quiet gust]

interesting

why

[viral tendon]

Very interesting indeed

Long story

[hard ivy]

being an immature baby and refusing to admit to being wrong when corrected isn't a long story

[reef basin]

because I tend to correct people to teach them about how metric is great and apparently some people don't like that and would rather be wrong out of spite

[quiet gust]

that sound sright

[viral tendon]

I do not see a point of correcting people who did not ask to be always corrected

[quiet gust]

im done trying to edit this sentence

[reef basin]

(and some people straight up throw a fit when I do it and think I'm doing that because I do not understand k MW, which is obviously false)

[hard ivy]

stop being wrong and people will stop correcting you 🙃

[quiet gust]

i think it is correct to an extent but its confusing af

[smoky forge]

lol

[reef basin]

that's usually what happens when you're wrong in a public place

[reef basin]

it's... not really

SI specifically forbids compound prefixes

[quiet gust]

did not know that

[viral tendon]

Stop correcting when people don't ask to and no one will complain🙃

[hard ivy]

putting k after the number instead of before the unit isn't correct either
it's a prefix after all

[quiet gust]

maybe we should go to that joke unit system where everything is c's lmao

[reef basin]

isn't, but at least 30k USD doesn't try to be metric

[quiet gust]

isnt it a suffix

[pastel carbon]

Everything in "natural units"

[reef basin]

so it's "less wrong" imo

[viral tendon]

Still wrong

[hard ivy]

technically, it should be 30 kUSD

when I saw that on wikipedia once, I laughed a bit

[viral tendon]

Was about to say that

[hard ivy]

it also says that k is accepted after a number but only if it's a currency and it's a K, not a k
so 30K USD is correct too

[reef basin]

if trying to be metric, yes

[quiet gust]

yeah i make 30 kusd a year

wbu cuzz

[viral tendon]

I decided to fact check so i'm not embarrassed for being wrong while trying to correct

[main topaz]

For me, its the Kilo Pound.

[quiet gust]

off topic what is yalls opinion on packaging fluids to send them long distance

[wicked nacelle]

Nitrogen yes. Don’t ship anything else

[hard ivy]

on belts, haven't done that
on trains or drones, absolutely

[quiet gust]

i shipped water in the dessert

[wicked nacelle]

There’s a surprisingly large amount of water in the deserts

[viral tendon]

Is that right

[quiet gust]

yeah but not near wher e i am

[quiet gust]

im in fact pretty much equidisant from the cliffs oasis and the bigger oasis

[wicked nacelle]

Can a single drone deliver full water and take back empty water? Or any other empty packaging unit?

[hard ivy]

yep

[quiet gust]

yeah

[wicked nacelle]

Not that it would be a good throughput

[quiet gust]

crazy ik

[wicked nacelle]

That’s neat. Still bordering on useless but neat 🙂

[quiet gust]

not hurt as much as you might think

when it goes back it takes the packages

[hard ivy]

could do a few hundred/min

[wicked nacelle]

For sure. But other than oil I’m not sure that’s a useful amount of any other fluid 😛

[quiet gust]

well nitrogen cause it compresses 4x

normally 3 stacks per min is what i go for

[wicked nacelle]

So could get 6 pipe minutes per delivery?

[quiet gust]

so thats 1200 nitrogen per minute per drone port

[quiet gust]

wym

[wicked nacelle]

9 stacks is 900x4 nitrogen? /600

[quiet gust]

yeah

[unkempt blade]

The real trick is fluid trains... Because trains are fun not because they're better than pipes

[quiet gust]

but it cant reliably tranfer more 3 stacks per min most of the time

[hard ivy]

well, the max at 0 distance is a little over 5 stacks
so it depends how far you're sending it

[fleet harness]

Today. My oldest daughter (she's 10) asked if she could play satisfactory. It makes me so happy.

[unkempt blade]

or you package the fluid and you use factory carts like any sane person would

[inner echo]

I only do nitrogen by fluid train. Compressing it ruins it's aroma and flavor.[

[wicked nacelle]

I just rebuilt an oil factory so that it’s nearly all packaged units through the whole factory. I’m so happy with it. Flow rates are all perfect and oil utilization is 100% because burning or diamonding exactly your overflow is trivial. I have packaged oil. Fuel. And rocket fuel.

[viral tendon]

Time to either make 0.00000007 TW nuclear power plant or steal a mega print from scim

[wicked nacelle]

Clearly you must do exactly one of those two things

[unkempt blade]

it's also very slightly lighter than air so it can make your train float like a blimp if you have enough of it which is fun

[viral tendon]

Do you think i should steal it

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t have any clue what you’re talking about 😛

[inner echo]

Shhhhh....I didn't want to ruin the surprise!

[viral tendon]

Steal thge 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000007 QW powerplant mega print from scim

[wicked nacelle]

That would be funny as hell if nitrogen gas helped trains go up hills. Instead it weighs exactly the same as water

[unkempt blade]

what's work out to, like 70 nanogigawatts?

[winged walrus]

what is the maximium amount of power you can get

[viral tendon]

Some\

[wicked nacelle]

7tw?

[hard ivy]

~19.1 TW assuming some plut waste storage

[viral tendon]

Probably

[wicked nacelle]

But you can’t build anything with it except more power

[hard ivy]

you can't even build more power

[wicked nacelle]

I meant sustaining your inputs

[viral tendon]

19,100,000,000 kW, damn

So the guy who got 31m was lying

[unkempt blade]

are we talking in theory or when your computer effectively grinds to a halt?

[viral tendon]

In theory

[hard ivy]

no, a decent PC should be able to handle it

[winged walrus]

using some alt recipes you maybe able to do that

[viral tendon]

He did 25m and he was using 31m

I have genuinely no fucking idea how did that happen

[unkempt blade]

how long does it need to run? can we stockpile fuel and flash-run generators?

[viral tendon]

And more confused how did his pc handle it

Well he's retired engineer so he got too much money

That is why his pc could handle that

[hard ivy]

19.1 TW is the continuous max with literally everything available

[viral tendon]

May i ask where did you get this info from

[hard ivy]

the only way to get more is mods or stockpiling fuel

[winged walrus]

even using 1 wood to 10 coal recipe?

[hard ivy]

that's stockpiling fuel

you can't automate wood

[silk ocean]

Need a farm machine XD

[hard ivy]

continous max without any human intervention is 15.3 TW btw

[viral tendon]

And i got blocked by kyo

Whatever

[quiet gust]

why is this the difference and is this gross or net

[unkempt blade]

I think the better challenge is how high can you get it to go for at least a minute using only biomass burners

that sounds much more impressive

[bold valley]

It took me two days to find out what was wrong with my coal supply to my generators. Every entry I found said Mk2 miner and belt and you're good to go. Math checked out, enough for 8 generators. Five wouldn't start, only sputter into life for a fraction till the 1 coal they're getting was used up.

2 parts of my belt where still MK1. Only a couple of meters, right before the first splitter I put down because of the bugged straight bend they tend to do. Please tell its not only me with this kind of brainfart.

[unkempt blade]

don't need to use any crutches like nuclear power or oil fuel generators, just burning some stuff you found on the ground the way god and nature intended

[hard ivy]

19.1 TW is with waste storage. you can technically get that continously, but only if you continously add more waste storage

15.3 TW is without waste storage, it could theoretically run forever without any maintenance

both are power production, not net power

[viral tendon]

Also forever is a strong word

Not gonna see it anyway

[hard ivy]

net power is questionable to optimize for, because it depends on clock speed. you could build everything at 1% and get more at the cost of building 100x or even 250x more machines

[azure linden]

#screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

the key is to use a mouse jiggler on your work computer so you can give satisfactory your full attention on your personal computer until the universe ends

[viral tendon]

Still not forever

[unkempt blade]

a pedant after my own heart

[hard ivy]

if only they were as pedantic when it comes to SI units 🙃

[viral tendon]

If only you were as pedantic when it comes to not block people for zero reason and still shit talk about them

[quiet gust]

bro just dont make it a deal , it reall doesnt matter

[hard ivy]

you got blocked for being an asshole weeks ago lol

[viral tendon]

Well if you block a person don't shittalk about them lmao

[prisma crater]

man tracks and path signals are still buggy as hell

[viral tendon]

What is the fucknig point of blocking if you're still looking at my messages

[unkempt blade]

Will you two just kiss already? I can feel the tension over discord

[viral tendon]

Whatever just don't shit talk about me while having me blocked

[hard ivy]

welcome to 1.1
they're even more buggy than they were before

[unkempt blade]

I can't take any more of the will they won't they

[viral tendon]

[quiet gust]

vro is fuming lmao

[viral tendon]

I am not the one who blocked a person btw

[quiet gust]

bro is finna tweak tf out

[viral tendon]

This

Is a ragebait

[prisma crater]

any1 now how to force the tracks to actually become separated by a pathsignal ?
I keep redoing the tracks and signals till they finally pick up the right config...but it goes bonkers after a while and I need to redo it, it's really getting on my nerves

[visual cosmos]

I dont remember croutch jumping doing some weird momentum things but I'll take it

Really convenient in new saves when you have no movement speed

[hard ivy]

in previous versions, the remedy was to build track connections slower, but idk if that works for the current issues. i've heard conflicting reports

[viral tendon]

Why is there 2 men kissing reactions

Okay now 1

[smoky forge]

nobody knows

[unkempt blade]

it's how we squash beef and end the loneliness epidemic, just go with it

[mint jetty]

So I have my basic iron resources, is it worth me building a bigger/better one?

[uncut trail]

Guys should I remake my factories on my main base to be more efficient or should I build completely new ones

[viral tendon]

Blocking and then unblocking did not remove the reaction

[reef basin]

build new, keep old

[dim shell]

Im debating on starting a new world last time i played was like last year i left off on making coal power

[unkempt blade]

both but build the new ones first 😄

[vague sparrow]

Well, 260hrs in and I'm about to automate heavy frames, allmost 😂

[viral tendon]

Oh wow

[uncut trail]

Mostly I'm talking about my iron and copper factories since I built them pretty early and they are still on MK2 belts and shi

[quiet gust]

...

bro does not get it does he

[viral tendon]

This type of ragebait does NOT work on me

[unkempt blade]

you're talented and amazing and I'm proud of you - what's getting built next?

[vague sparrow]

I did sloop a machine to get some for building, but I am building a big factory and have been procrastinating a bunch, also this thing needs a ton of resources