satisfactory

[boreal musk]

use ladders and ramps, theyre very effective pre jetpack

no ladder? use the ladder at the side of storage container

theyre stackable

[cursive crane]

Shoutout to the like.. second save I ever made finding jetpack hog in the first few hours. Havent seen one since lmao

[eternal geyser]

guys i built a particle accelerator (looping hypercannon) and now all i want to do is fly across the map, grab some sloops and slugs, and fly back. am i cooked? like frick factorying, i just want to explore now

[sterile blade]

Next step: why even split the items to feed the machine

[ivory condor]

Hmm need to figure out how that works precise sushi feeding so no excess is ever produced and no sink needed at the end?

That would be fun, making perfectly balanced sushi, no sinks used anywhere

[sterile blade]

Well, with priority mergers one can easily "recycle" excess back to the input too

[hard ivy]

For my method, you need a supply that's not sushi, then you merge all the belts, smart splitters into machines so it doesn't back up, and then you loop back the excess to the supply. Filter things out and priority merge them with the supply

Same thing can be applied to drone sushi probably

To not waste belt throughput, you'd need a ratio merger that at least roughly matches the consumption ratio though

[ivory condor]

I know what my next product is, going to make some sushi nuclear

[sterile blade]

Oi! "Sushi Fuel Rods™" is copyrighted!

[sterile blade]

What kind of sushi did you have in mind?

[ivory condor]

Oh you know something like that nuclear sushi, really want to rework and fix that

[sterile blade]

All sushifolds, right? No single-input shenanigans xD

[ivory condor]

You didn't do anything with it anyways and besides im not using the sign factory because it stutters to much anyways, instead im going to rework the previous one or something like that

Actually maybe I can use more copy paste signs that could be more performance friendly while im at it

Hopefully in a way that doesnt introduce stuttering

[sterile blade]

I'm just joking on having trademarked making sushi with Fuel Rods 😅

[sterile blade]

It's also, like... much less work than personalizing each individual sign

Win-win

Then again, if signs could be connected to machines or belts that tells them what to display, MANY of my signs would have shared settings too...

[true mulch]

still hoping that gets added to the game

[sterile blade]

Has anyone happened to hear any question/news about that?

[ivory condor]

Satisfactory 1.2, sign optimization update

Its so complex it needs its own update dedicated for it

[copper dirge]

Just started a new save. Forgot what a grind it is 😆

[sterile blade]

I just noticed that we don't have any Jason-emojies yet

[ivory condor]

Have to find the memes first

Remember emoji and memes go hand in hand

[sour pilot]

back slash

but that's Mikhael

[summer willow]

small question, is there a place for bugs?

[sour pilot]

QA site

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @reef basin

[sterile blade]

BTW, @ivory condor I have a plan too...
A small highlight: #screenshots message

[ivory condor]

I have no idea what your working on

[shy mulch]

When the sink points are maxed out at ~2bn/min is that just a display bug and you're still getting the full actual points, or do you only get 2bn points/min, even if you're sinking way more

[reef basin]

display bug

[shy mulch]

Nice, thanks

[summer willow]

2 billion per minute is crazy xD
the most I get is like 50

[shy mulch]

I'm saving up ballistic warp drives that give 2,895,334 points each. When I've got 6 ISC full of them I'm gonna launch them all at the sink on a mk6 belt just cos I like seeing big numbers

[summer willow]

Crikey! Well good luck pioneer

[vague sparrow]

isn't 2.16b something also not a binary issue thing?

Maybe that was a limit on another game

[shy mulch]

By my calculation that should give me 3.4bn points per minute for about 12 minutes

[shy mulch]

It's 2^32

[summer willow]

Most games should be able to handle numbers bigger than 2.16b, it might just be satisfactory?

[shy mulch]

Lots of things store/display numbers using a 32 bit integer

If you need bigger numbers use a 64 bit integer, but most things don't

[vague sparrow]

I know Runescape had 2.16b max cash stack, because of the bit limit I think

[sterile blade]

Omnifactory 2.0, that's the "high tier SAM-stuff" area
I tried to tweak numbers so that:

• The factory outputs a total of less than 1200/min (1 belt), but produces (and outputs) every item
• The output of each block of machines can be easily load-balanced to other machines and storage. This is the hardest part; I managed some nice numbers for SAM fluctuators, Power Shards and Superposition Oscillator, for instance, just needing 1-to-3 or 1-to-4 splits, but I still have some relatively bigger balancers to make for some other items (dark matter crystals and time crystals for example)

[shy mulch]

Pretty much everywhere you see a number in any game, app, tool, anything, that will likely be the limit. It's a pretty fundamental thing in programming. If you need bigger numbers then you use a 64 bit data field which is easy enough but in some circumstances may require performance adjustments, so people tend not to bother unless it's actually necessary

[vague sparrow]

Cool thnx for the info

[spark ruin]

we need a foliage* optimization update

[summer willow]

Is crouch jump sprinting intentional?

[vague sparrow]

add a jetpack and ur good to go

[vague sparrow]

signs first plz 🙏

[spark ruin]

why ?

[vague sparrow]

Set autosave at 1min just because of occasional crashes lol

[astral yarrow]

hi

[summer willow]

They're too cool 🗿

[spark ruin]

foliage is the least optimized thing in this game

[vague sparrow]

They tend to cause UObject crashes in large numbers

[spark ruin]

thats stability, not optimization IMO

[winged walrus]

i have to automate super compooter and radio control unit

[vague sparrow]

well, optimize to stabilize then

[sterile blade]

I'd take better signs over better-performing "anything", right now, ngl

[winged walrus]

satis tools says i need 900 crude oil per minute

[summer willow]

Ngl, i've never crashed due to foliage. Might be my beast of a pc that handles it like a champ though...

[vague sparrow]

Yeah I don't really care I can't see the ladybug on that tree 2km away

[spark ruin]

i wouldnt : D
cuz having 40fps~ at recomended specs without lumen just cuz you dare look towards the titan forest or red forest is really annoying

[summer willow]

I do have graphics at ultra but like...

[sterile blade]

I think they're more worried about lag than crashes

[spark ruin]

while you can get 70fps~ everywhere else

[sterile blade]

Just build less trees

[summer willow]

i'm running 120 :)
got a good gaming chair though

[sterile blade]

Does removing the foliage improve performance?

[spark ruin]

oh yeas. you know what its the chair
thats why you get 120fps

[spark ruin]

not looking somewhere with lots of foliage does

[sterile blade]

Sounds like a yes ^^

[spark ruin]

i dont enough time to clear out the entire red forest just to test that

[vague sparrow]

need bigger bomb

[summer willow]

Isn't foliage instantiated and culled. so just cover the foliage with builds?
I mean most games have LOD's for stuff, just run at lower graphics

[sterile blade]

Cluster Nukelisk when

[spark ruin]

yes
everything works that way, unless you have RT enabled

[sterile blade]

I reckon that bombing the whole place might be faster at that point xD

[vague sparrow]

Don't complain when your fps dips below 10 once you setoff 10+ nukes tho

xD

[smoky forge]

wont happen to me i swear

[summer willow]

tbh, fps is clientsided mostly, the game runs perfectly on the dev's side, it might just mean that your pc is slow

[sterile blade]

You mean Global Illumination, right? Same thing?

[ivory condor]

Just give me signs that doesnt cause the game to stutter. I would gladly take the signs as they were in 1.0, because they just had to get rid of blurry signs, now unique signs are so much worse in performance

[spark ruin]

kind-of, not really

[summer willow]

raytracing

[spark ruin]

this game doesnt have traditional RT
just faked RT AKA: SW Lumen

[summer willow]

games dont have a "lumen" setting in their postprocessing (especially unreal (from what I know)), do you mean bloom?

[vague sparrow]

Just like every GPU nowadays has fake frames

We're all just hallucinating at this point

[spark ruin]

Specs
CPU : 5600G
GPU : RX 6600
RAM : 16GB 3200MT CL16

1080 FSR AA 100% everything set to ultra/cinematic
factory benchmark (my 1.0 save)
74 avg
46 1%
20 0.1%
foliage heavy area benchmark (AKA:the red forest)
37 avg
25 1%
6 0.1%

those specs are at or above recomended

Specs
CPU : 5600G
GPU : RX 9060 XT 16GB
RAM : 16GB 3200MT CL16

1080 FSR AA 100% everything set to ultra/cinematic
factory benchmark [CPU bottlenecked]
72 avg
30 1%
23 0.1%

foliage heavy area benchmark (AKA:the red forest)
58 avg
40 1%
28 0.1%

after my GPU upgrade

[ivory condor]

Don't get me started on fake frames, that is not real performance, its not even close to the same experience, especially because of the added input lag

[summer willow]

hmm. strange. maybe run non cinematic/ ultra?

[spark ruin]

barely helps

[pallid elm]

is left hand drive better or right hand for trains?

[sterile blade]

It should serve your preference as you will be the one using them ^^

[vague sparrow]

idk bro I' ve got 7800 XT and I'm doing around 100 fps in the forests

[ivory condor]

Because you see real performance and real frames actually improves things like latency, but fake frames dont, because it isnt real performance

[summer willow]

maybe the game's trying to process "chunks" that arent loaded (I know there isnt such things called chunks, since its open world, but like... From what i know)

[spark ruin]

you most certainly have FSR on then

[spark ruin]

well, i do too but at native res

[sterile blade]

@pallid elm do note though that trains only care for signals on their right (in direction of travel). You can't have "left-handed signals", so to speak...

[ivory condor]

Depends on hardware I have instance 100 fps in forest and that's native 1440p, no upscaling

I can go higher with upscaling such as dlss

[winged walrus]

dang i hate doing oil

[spark ruin]

un cap your fps, disable DLSS/FSR and FG look at the dune desert or rocky desert (or gold coast even), then go look at the red forest, and check your fps

[sterile blade]

The map is very much made up of chunks ^^
They've iterate quite a while over how big they should be and how they should load, so there's a lot of info on that out there

[spark ruin]

yeah, performance will always depend on hardware

[pallid elm]

so 1 is not better/makes it easier for logistics?

[summer willow]

unreal games can with unreal graphics, if you have unreal hardware

[vague sparrow]

Oh wait I lied, it's 60-70fps, with and without FSR, just tried it

[spark ruin]

then you are CPU limited as well
(well unless you were using FSR with no downscaling)

[ivory condor]

Unreal engine actually only started to get a bad impression, believe it or not in unreal engine 5, optimization had pretty good impressions in previous engines

[sterile blade]

The only difference is how signals are placed. In right-hand-drive, opposite rails have signals on the outer sides, in left-hand-drive the signals are on the inner sides
That's it

[vague sparrow]

hmmm ryzen 7700 with 7800XT go pretty well together, I did some research before buying

always room for upgrade though

[spark ruin]

if you have a big save it will chip away at your CPU far more than your GPU

[ivory condor]

As long as the cpu can feed the gpu enough you should be fine

[vague sparrow]

my budget did not allow for a fancy 3XD chip

[ivory condor]

Aka its better to be gpu bound than cpu bound, if you can avoid that

[summer willow]

any guesses? #screenshots message

[vague sparrow]

Looks like a factory

a Satisfactory

[pallid elm]

so if i have enough space between my 2 rails then left hand is fine
noted thank you

[spark ruin]

its a good combo still.
though i personally would have gotten an R5 7600 instead

[vague sparrow]

Think I looked into it, decided to get this one, can't remember why, differences weren't that big I believe

[summer willow]

Satisfactory runs perfectly with my specs 👇

RAM - 32GB RAM
Processor - Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 265F 2.40GHz```

[spark ruin]

by the looks of your screenshot youve only just started playing...

[summer willow]

i restarted 😎

[spark ruin]

the game runs perfectly in the begining even on recomended specs

its really only when you start exploring that fps tanks a bit due to foliage

[summer willow]

on my other game save (the old one) It was running at 120FPS still...

[dense violet]

try top and bottom hand drive 🙂 #design-and-architecture message

[hard oasis]

where should i build my big space elevator factory?

[dense violet]

anywhere you like really

[hard oasis]

yeah but wheres like the best place on one of the coasts?

[spark ruin]

and you most certainly had DLSS/FG enabled too

[summer willow]

hmm... maybe, cant remember xD

[dense violet]

there is no correct answer to this
it depends on

how much of each thing you're making
which recipes you're using
how you like to use things
how you like to move things

[spark ruin]

game defaults to using them

[hollow needle]

Satisfactory multiplayer works perfectly fine without an epic game account?

[hard oasis]

by move things do you mean like trains and trucks?

[dense violet]

or belts or drones

[hard oasis]

it will most likely be trains

[pallid elm]

looks great but already spent too long designing my railway tracks lol

[dense violet]

but it's so compact 😛

[dense violet]

that's a drop in the bucket. Make an actual plan, with recipes. On something like satisfactory tools.

then look at the map and where the things you want to use are.
Then edit the plan to suit the places better.
It's something best done simultaneously

[pallid elm]

yeah true but https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932761153703149659/1402607697844768849/image.png?ex=689487b6&is=68933636&hm=81c0f75e19a576b79d0d087287539eba2b2b22f02fcba93e1bb3417e545f5f71&

oops

[dense violet]

you can make a stack of that pylon easy!

skinnyfy it a bit and put the rail in the middle 😄

[ivory condor]

Funny you should mention that because in the past I had some real bad performance issues, in specific areas of the world such a northern forest, even tried removing the foliage but it made no real difference, interesting enough that problem went away in 1.0 somehow

[spark ruin]

could have been due to a number of things
probably just that UE 5.3 does something better than 5.2 that saved your performance

[pallid elm]

i enjoy the chonk 😔

[ivory condor]

Actually no, because this was true even in ue4, even went back and retested, same results

[split trench]

You can reduce foliage quality setting, cutting down more foliage also has some performance impact when you move between regions..

[spark ruin]

huh
weird

[ivory condor]

I honestly have no idea what was changed in 1.0, but for some reason all of the stutters in that area are gone, not sure why it was present in ue4 and even ue5

[pallid elm]

might make a part that inverts dual railway to stackable ones when i need railway through a tighter area

[ivory condor]

Yeah, other people couldn't reproduce it either, even made some videos showing the real bad stuttering I was seeing in northern forest

[hard oasis]

i make all the stuff i need i just want a way to bring it to the factory

[ivory condor]

I tried that in the past before 1.0, unfortunately with northern forest stuttering remained even at the lowest of graphic settings

[spark ruin]

same settings
#screenshots message

[dense violet]

that doesn't change anything I've already said.

make a plan
choose recipes and numbers
compare locations on the map.
make edits as needed
pick a location

[hard oasis]

okay thank you

[winged walrus]

does impulse nobelisk deal any damage

[vague sparrow]

nah

Don't think so anyway, just pushes

[little sonnet]

how do i swap what ammo im using on the rifle

[vague sparrow]

hold R

[little sonnet]

Oh thanks

[vague sparrow]

this goes for everything in the game, holding R brings up the wheel of fortune

[winged walrus]

using turbo one because i have 12k of it

i'm so lazy to automate those speed things

[vague sparrow]

oh no.. I just spent the past 4 hours building water supply only to find I made a mistake and now I'm short 300p/m lmao

I might be ok, I think I overcalculated the concrete 😅

[silk ocean]

I spent hours training in Bauxite only to finally receive deliveries to discover I had sourced Iron Ore instead xD

[ivory condor]

@sterile blade I tested that sign save at lowest graphics, and it results in me going from 200 fps to less than 100 fps, so yeah these are massive amount of frames im losing in these saves now

Its no wonder these saves stutter now with just how many frames im actually losing here

[boreal musk]

they definitely did something to the signs

[ivory condor]

Well going from 230 fps to 90 fps definitely isnt good

That's what like 140 fps im losing in worst case

They are effective, at killing performance

[sturdy wraith]

Had to go into a stupid cave just for ||Quartz and SAM|| and it took me 2 hours I hate the desert

[ivory condor]

Well that's one thing that is unfortunately better in 1.0 at least with signs in general. You know it kind of worries me about console, if players try to build alot unique signs on that, its not going to be a good time

Well still hope optimization with console can somehow improve in time for release

[round skiff]

do hypertubes carry energy

[bright helm]

Omg I love hoverpack

[ivory condor]

But this is a factory building game what are we going to do🥺

Last resort, void rays go!

[bright helm]

Does hoverpack use power while charging?

[dense violet]

only in air

[dusky spear]

i got a question
i wanna make a circle and i know how to
start from the middle and just go 1 tick and extend to the length
now how do i do that if i can acces the middle 😅

[dense violet]

look up different ways of making circles on youtube

[knotty barn]

just started playing again after a while away, lots changed

[fallen crow]

yea same

[knotty barn]

I see a few old faces stilla round, max and slecht

[hard ivy]

It doesn't "charge". It just pulls power constantly (100 MW) and when you go out of range, you fall

[unkempt blade]

some sort of very small battery life for the hoverpack has been on my wishlist for ages 😆

I just want a tiny little bit of warning buffer before I start losing altitude

[fluid sapphire]

just buff the range to 100m

64m is ridiculous

[hard ivy]

I wish it just burned batteries when out of range

[unkempt blade]

yeah a backup fuel would be a great alternative also

as-is it already makes building so much more pleasant but it's still tough sometimes when you're building larger scale and want to see how you're doing from a little more distance

[gilded goblet]

PHASE 2 COMPLETE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fluid sapphire]

i spam power towers everywhere only to delete them later

[unkempt blade]

yeah my main base blueprinter has basically a power cage built around the outside

[fluid sapphire]

same

[gilded goblet]

I unlock trains finally????

[unkempt blade]

yay! trains!!!

[fluid sapphire]

yes?

[hard ivy]

Use poles, not towers. I'm pretty sure towers don't give more range

[fluid sapphire]

poles stick out much less, are harder to spot at a glance for deletion later

[gilded goblet]

I honestly thought trains were later, I cant wait to setup actual infra now

[fluid sapphire]

towers on the other hand are huge so very easy to spot

[gilded goblet]

like permanent factories and such

[fluid sapphire]

hell yeah dawg, trains go choo

just dont forget your old friend factory cart

[unkempt blade]

I also use a blueprint with the orange beams and a bunch of wall connectors running up/to the side to really get some power area

[gilded goblet]

factory cart my goat

oh no

i left my rotor factory producing over night

at like 60/m

[hard ivy]

I also sometimes use ceiling connectors underneath the foundations. You don't need to delete them later and they're placed with the foundations (cause BPs). The only issue is you have to connect them all

With the 1.0 range buff, it's actually somewhat viable

I still wish it had 100m tho

Well, it does for me because mods but still

[unkempt blade]

that's a good idea and might also be a smart BP to have. A 5x5 foundation with all the power hooked up would only need one connection to its neighbor

[fluid sapphire]

i actually do something similar, my machine blueprints have the ceiling plugs clipped into the floor, i just dont connect my machines to power until everything is done

i like the final moment of building to be me flipping the power switch

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys so I decided to restart to have better planning and recipes etc, and starting experience went 5x better with dismantable crash sites

they give so much items its insane 😄

[marble cypress]

Would it be okay if I could screen share with someone to help with pipes?

[fluid sapphire]

make a thread in #1038092680493801533

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it feels like a ton early game. The stuff scattered around them was already a pretty big boost for some of the sites

I also like that it's just super obvious the hard drive was looted. I've been sticking power poles in the top of looted crash sites for ages now just so I don't waste my time checking them and this is one more tiny annoyance gone

[mortal ginkgo]

wouldnt map tagging be fine?

[hard ivy]

Except in LOD the dismantled crash sites still exist lol

[unkempt blade]

yeah I just don't run around with the map open much though so I wanted something I could see from first person

[hard ivy]

You see it from far away, get closer and it fucking disappears

[mortal ginkgo]

ah

[ivory condor]

What they do why lol

[boreal musk]

its annoying, it gaslight me to thinking i havent pull the hard drive out of this one

[ivory condor]

Somewhere Ada is giving a evil laugh as she gaslights us

[winged walrus]

what is the LOD

[hard ivy]

Level of Detail - objects farther away are given less detailed models to save on processing power and you wouldn't be able to see them well anyway

Unfortunately, a dismantled crash site's lower LOD model is not removed

So the drop pod is visible from far away and just disappears when you get closer
When the drop pod is not dismantled, it'll transition into a high-LOD model, as it should

[winged walrus]

ah

[ivory condor]

Lol

[winged walrus]

lol

[ivory condor]

I find this hilarious

[wary veldt]

why aren't dismantle crates spawning anymore when I destroy stuff with a full inventroy

[hard ivy]

Because the items get put into an existing one

[wary veldt]

I don't think they are, I recently remade my concrete area and had to mass delete the whole thing. I should have gotten an excess of limestone in my inventroy or in dismantlement crates but nothing happened.

I don't keep limestone in my inventory to have it get put with existing stacks

[hard ivy]

Is there not a single dismantle crate in your world?

[wary veldt]

there are, but they are from months ago, and now new ones aren't spawning

[hard ivy]

^

Doesn't matter how old it is, the items get put into the closest existing crate

[wary veldt]

wait what?

[hard ivy]

There's supposed to be a 100m limit, but last I heard, it's not working

[wary veldt]

they can get put into near by crates?

[hard ivy]

1.1 feature

[wary veldt]

that actually explains alot

imma check up on those crates now

[eternal citrus]

So just a simple question. If you answer me can you pay me so I'll know that I got a response. My question is I know that the whole factory setup is popular nowadays. Like where you have everything go to one factory then you shoot it off. I have issues with that and a lot of other different ways because it makes me it makes me hard to keep up with when you have everything of one type. Like all the metal certain type of ingots go here more complex things it makes you want to have to renew your tire setup and it's stressful. How do you handle that?

[sterile blade]

Well, he definetly has the #satisfactory-memes message ...

[fluid sapphire]

could you rephrase that

[sick dragon]

Idk about paying but I can ping you on reply 😛

I'm not quite understanding what we are referring to though. Are you saying you don't like the style of factories supply themselves and dont supply others and dont like that style?

[fluid sapphire]

there is nothing simple about that whole paragraph, sorry

[sterile blade]

Have you tried paying them to rephrase?

[fluid sapphire]

basically, dont build everything in one location. divide your production into smaller modules so you have less inputs and outputs to manage

[gilded goblet]

I also have a random question, when you complete a tier, aka unlock every milestone in said tier, why does it flash for a while before going solid? is the tier completion not "finished" till the pod returns?

[fluid sapphire]

havent noticed, when the pod returns you should have your answer though?

[gilded goblet]

well i dont have a tier close to completing

i was hoping someone else would know

[livid kernel]

you unlock everything as soon as the pod leaves

you don't have to wait for it to come back to build the new shit

[cedar portal]

Buildding lots of smaller factories is no harder than making a mega factory. You just have to think of each mini-factory as a single machine that takes an input and produces an output. Instead of belts you use trains or drrones to connect them. Pull back far enough and it looks like one factory.

[fluid sapphire]

strange way to phrase that, building in modules definitely is easier

[gilded goblet]

Yea but the flashing saying the tier isn't complete but having everything done, but then after a while it stops flashing and goes solid

[livid kernel]

you mean like on the tier selection screen? Where it flashes white and black? AFAIK, that's just highlighting the one you just sent, it means nothing just a visual aid kind of thing

[gilded goblet]

ah

[eternal citrus]

All right. Sorry so let me fix what I was trying to say. I'm used to seeing online when satisfactory came out and then it got out of early access per se and everyone was telling you just to send all of one type of resource to this area and then refi and then send it out like via belts where everything would go everywhere around the world and then when you upgrade to a new technology or whatever you want to call it you would have to redo your entire setup again. It would get stressful having to go from stage 4 to stage 5 you know

[fluid sapphire]

you dont have to re-do anything. if you need to make a new thing, just make it elsewhere

[gilded goblet]

and you really dont even need that many items/m i'm realizing

[livid kernel]

I've always seen people recommend stand alone factories. Like you belt iron and coal to your steel factory, then build the factory. You train/truck/belt the steel products to where you need them later, but you don't redo your steel factory unless you want to up production.

And you only bring in the amount of the resource you need, you don't bring all the iron there, just enough for the steel.

[fluid sapphire]

we love overkill here

[gilded goblet]

fair point

[dense violet]

sending all your resources to one spot only to send it back out all over the place would be a huge effort. And something you don't need to do

I would just recommend you complete all the tech, finish the phases, and then treat the game like a sandbox. Build permanent factories in places

[eternal citrus]

I'm trying to think of the big YouTubers that were popular when it first started kibbetts I believe his name is

[fluid sapphire]

dont compare yourself to kibitz, thats silly

[livid kernel]

kibbitz makes standalone factories

he just makes large scale ones because of videos

[eternal citrus]

See I always thought that's how big most factors are supposed to be due to how many items you can produce at one moment once you hit the high stages

[gilded goblet]

I'm making 10 modular frames per minute and it's way more than I need, I'm sinking overflow and getting a shit ton of tickets

[livid kernel]

you'll need them later though

[dense violet]

it's a lot easier to have the systems that feed off each other right next to each other honestly

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need to, like at all, make big factories

[fluid sapphire]

me out here making 30 like an absolute buffoon

[gilded goblet]

lmao

[eternal citrus]

See when I think of those higher ones like modular frames. Like when I hear 10. I'm like man that's a small number. Shouldn't you be producing hundreds at a minute due to how many you might need in the future?

[gilded goblet]

i'm only in at tier 5/6 so

[fluid sapphire]

thats just my depot supply

i could get away with 5, that would be enough

more than enough

[gilded goblet]

also does the phase your in correlate to like what it says at the top, aka it says "Complete phase 3" which means I'm IN phase 3?

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[livid kernel]

yes

[fluid sapphire]

phase 4 is my permanent resting place

[gilded goblet]

alright, always kinda confused me and I didn't wanna like say I'm in phase 3 when I'm in phase 2 yada yada

[eternal citrus]

I mean hell when I get to stage 5 and 6 I feel like I'm behind because I can't get them done in a few minutes cuz like when I see people just like just having so much mass-produced stuff at once. I feel like I'm being slow

[gilded goblet]

why

[livid kernel]

tiers 1&2 phase 1, 3&4 phase 2, etc

[fluid sapphire]

im just working on laying really strong groundwork for the end of phase 4 and start of 5

[gilded goblet]

ahhh

[sterile blade]

Why? You don't know what the future holds, but you do have some concrete current objectives. Why not just aim for those and let future you deal with future problems? ^^

[fluid sapphire]

or so i like to think

i am working on producing an excess of everything, then using drones to siphon things off from basically everywhere to a single spot to make the elevator parts

should be easy

[livid kernel]

especially in the early game, if you find you need more later, you can upgrade the miner and oc or sloop the machines if you don't have room for more machines

[eternal citrus]

See I always thought the drones were a waste of time compared to the trains. Are they not?

[dense violet]

each vehicle shines in their own situation

[fluid sapphire]

not at all, they are excellent at long distance where you need low throughput

require almost zero infrastructure

for trains you need to lay tracks, lots of tracks

[hard ivy]

depends what you're tranpsorting. for me they are useless. because I only move ores long distances, and a lot of them

[neon cloak]

honestly, idk how progress should feel but the less time i spend on this god forsaken crafting bench - the better i feel

[fluid sapphire]

well yeah, automation pays dividends

[vast bronze]

Do trains still unload even if there’s still stuff remaining in the station? Like would it fill back up to the top or just outright refuse to drop it

[hard ivy]

depends on the settings

[sick dragon]

The definition of progress 😛

[sick dragon]

It will fill whatever it can

[fluid sapphire]

you can set it to wait until it can fully unload, thats the most efficient setting

[sick dragon]

Unless you do what insane did

[fluid sapphire]

same for loading

[sick dragon]

I like to set it to 60 seconds or a full load / unload

[vast bronze]

Ooooh there’s settings! That’s interesting. Thanks pioneers

[junior pivot]

ive had a thought since i began playing this game that it would be so funny if somebody completed all the phases using JUST the crafting bench

imagine.

[fluid sapphire]

i set both load and unload to "wait until fully unload/load AND wait 0 seconds"

this minimizes pointless train trips

[hard ivy]

that basiaclly defeats the purpose of full loading/unloading

[sterile blade]

Back when it was stil completely possible to do, some people did ^^

[junior pivot]

HAHA REALLY

i havent made it past phase 2 quite yet so i didnt know it wasnt possible

[neon cloak]

seems too long to be possible by humans

[fluid sapphire]

someone did it on youtube

[neon cloak]

thousands, thousands

[sterile blade]

Well, Space Elevator parts could once be handcrafted, but back then elevator only went up to phase 2 IIRC (also requiring different items from now)

[sick dragon]

You can't set it to just 1.... unless im dumb and never found the option. Or do you just set it to an absurdly long time to where it'll load or fully unload before it gets to that point?

[neon cloak]

4 thousands screws for 1 thousand of some shit

[hard ivy]

AND 0 seconds and it doesn't leave unless empty/full

[sick dragon]

Huh.... they should note that functionality somewhere. Didn't know 0 disables it

[fluid sapphire]

literally the best way to set up your train

[limpid cairn]

bruh i finished my turbo fuel factory yesterday just to unlock the alternate turbo fuel recipe

[fluid sapphire]

no need to clog your trainlines and waste electricity on pointless trips

[sick dragon]

Or if they did im dumb af

[hard ivy]

it's not the 0, it's the AND
anything between 0 and 27 would work the same in this case

[sick dragon]

Get to it 😛

[fluid sapphire]

i have a plastic train that only does one trip in like 9 hours

[hard ivy]

both turbo fuel alts are not great when burning it

[sick dragon]

Time to go redo my train schedules after work

Although that won't work for my rcu factory i think since it's one giant train line 1 sitting there waiting to unload it may clog up other trains that need to deliver things faster

[hard ivy]

remember that allowing it to leave half full after a minute is a failsafe in case you fuck something up - the train won't hold up the station forever. if you only allow it to leave empty/full, it will wait for however long it takes for that to happen

if your stations are designed correctly, it's the most efficient setting. if they aren't, your entire network could grind to a halt

[neon cloak]

82 rotors left for basic steel production 🥹

[sick dragon]

What i always did was full load or 30 seconds to a minute depending on how much is needed at destination

[fluid sapphire]

ehehh, its real simple, just dont fuck it up

[neon cloak]

the only (and oddly satisfying) thought in my mind is "i can't keep this shitty factory in such state for the next milestone"

[dire oar]

Where can I find a list that shows every item you use to bulid something (I want to bulid auto storage)

[sick dragon]

Its simple 4head just build a factory.

years later

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=building+materials

[sick dragon]

Practically every item in the game is used to build something

[unkempt blade]

especially screws, make sure you have lots of screws for stuff

[fluid sapphire]

even silica, though the section is missing from wiki

[sick dragon]

With the exception of space elevator parts

[sick dragon]

I dont like being.... screwed

I'll see myself out

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch category:building+materials

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=category:building+materials

[hard ivy]

now it's correct

but idk if the category is complete

40 sounds a bit low?

[sick dragon]

Id just expect everything.

[white dawn]

Items only ever used as intermediate products; no need to store en masse unless you want to use them to prefill manifolds or hand-craft anything which needs 'em (Reanimated SAM, for instance, might be useful to store prior to being able to automate SAM Fluctuators):

Aluminum Scrap, Black Powder, Circuit Board, Compacted Coal, Copper Powder, Diamonds, Electromagnetic Control Rod, Fabric, Heat Sink, Polymer Resin, Pressure Conversion Cube, Reanimated SAM, Singularity Cell, Smokeless Powder, Stator, anything in the nuclear power chain that's radioactive

(omitted some "obvious" things like remains processing. Also, Dark Matter Crystal is also only an intermediate product, but it's the easiest way to prime Tier 9 factories, so you probably do want to be storing it.)

[sick dragon]

Everything is used. "Should i automate x?" Is always yes

[winged walrus]

what if i put rocket fuel into explorer car

[green fiber]

It doesnt go faster

[hard ivy]

it'll have a longer range

[winged walrus]

sad

[fluid sapphire]

should i automate charcoal

[green fiber]

Its just coal again

[hard ivy]

charcoal is not an item 🤓

[fluid sapphire]

i just prefer the flavor

[vague sparrow]

Dark roast

[minor rock]

yeah youve gotta have black yoghurt or ur not alive

[sick dragon]

Follow the flow chart 😛

[icy gale]

why does discord say satisfactory is a new release 💀

[hard ivy]

from Steam:

RELEASE DATE:
10 Sep, 2024
not even a year yet

[unkempt blade]

I could have sworn some of that stuff got used in buildings but the wiki says your list is from a brilliant genius and I'm wrong

[white dawn]

A couple of those were new in 1.0, I think

[unkempt blade]

yeah I was thinking at least stators got used in something power related but I was wrong 😆

[white dawn]

I think they used to be used in Power Storage?

[hard ivy]

not anymore

[unkempt blade]

ahh interesting

guess I can get rid of those in the depot then 😆

[hard ivy]

I still have stators in the depot to handfeed automated wiring

or whichever SE part takes stators

same with CBs

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's not the worst idea to store that stuff anyway, if for no other reason than prefilling manifolds

A few of them are useful to have handy for Equipment Workshop items or MAM unlocks, too, though obvs only in specific quantities

[vague sparrow]

I just have 1 container at the end of almost every line, most stuff sent to the DD anyway, unless it's not required for actually building anything, I still sometimes do, just because😅 I have jumpstarted some distant factory because I've had some spare parts in the DD

[minor rock]

storage is genius though

do max belts carry all of the items from a maxed miner now ?

or is that still a problem

[vague sparrow]

I think that works now

Could check real quick on my copper dust facility

[hard ivy]

a mk6 belt can do 1200. a fully OC'd mk3 miner on a pure node does 1200

[reef basin]

it was never a "problem", but yes, mk6 belts carry up to 1200

[minor rock]

yeah the 1200 miner on the 1200 belt, items used to build up in the miner, and the miner would switch off

ineeded containers to make it happen less often

[reef basin]

that's user error most likely

[minor rock]

it was a real bug

theres no room for user error

[reef basin]

I don't think there was a mk6 belt bug, maybe there was one for like a week or two when 1.0 released

but mk6 belts can do 1200 practically all the time since they were introduced (1.0)

[white dawn]

There is, I believe, still a performance-related problem which probably isn't specifically mk6-related but can manifest on there. If your system/CPU/whatever gets too busy as your factory grows, you can definitely see 1200/min mk6 performance start failing a bit

[vague sparrow]

I just realised I am underutilizing and underproducing copper ingots lmao

[reef basin]

ah, yeah, that one is indeed a thing, but I don't really think of that as a "bug" I guess

[white dawn]

Like on a fresh, empty AGS save, I set up a few 1200/min manifolds which ran perfectly for hours, but if I SCIM-copied it into my 1.0 save, they'd start lagging

[white dawn]

Yeah, my impression is it's more just an engine/system limitation

I just blame it on my potato. :D

[fluid sapphire]

whats your cpu

[vague sparrow]

Didn't they officially state they're not adding faster belts, because of engine limitations or something like that

[white dawn]

AMD Ryzen 5 2600

[minor rock]

it could be compensated for, it just wasnt
the actual fix was tomake the belt speed 1800, it never happened again

[reef basin]

they already had issues making 1200 stable

[white dawn]

The specific stuff which was blocking them originally was taken care of; whatever I was running into is apparently Something Else

[fluid sapphire]

ok, yeah i can imagine that showing its age a bit

[vague sparrow]

I see

[white dawn]

Yeah, this system was midrange hardware like eight years ago. :D

[minor rock]

its bcuz of timing inaccuracies that build up over time

so you get slightly less out

[vague sparrow]

slightly less as in 1s or 10000s....? does it realistically make a difference, if there is any anyway

[minor rock]

yeah because the miner startup time is longer than it takes for the 100 items in the miner to empty

so it would result in a long pause

[hard ivy]

i'd say it's performance dependent. I never had issues with 1200/min belts myself, but so far I haven't built big enough to lose performance

[vague sparrow]

idk about the miner, since I underbuilt foundries. But the ingots are emptying at exactly 1200p/m all the machines are staying exactly filled 1200/8 = 150 per machine, has been doing so for days, so it's probably working fine for the miner since it's just another output like the container

[minor rock]

my test case was 1200miner directly into a sink. after a while items would begin to build up. i wonder if it still happens, i dont play very often

[vague sparrow]

Might setup something like this and see what happens, I presume it will be fine, but who knows

[split pewter]

i wonder why uranium cells have leftover sulfuric acid, ficsit likes efficiency

[hard ivy]

just use the alt

[vague sparrow]

smh it really bothers me I've been producing copper powder at 50% all this time lmao, I could get 4 pasta p/m in stead of 2 xD

[sterile blade]

Did I hear max-throughput-issues?!?

[vague sparrow]

Guess I' ll nuke some more trees

[sterile blade]

During 1.0 there were even some specific nodes that didn't output 1200/min correctly (I happened to encounter one such Limestone node). Some weird things have happened

[marble cypress]

I do not like pipes. I am a pipe hater >:(

[limpid cairn]

Guys we should gather together and ask the devs nicely if they can give us t1-3 electrical wires

[fluid sapphire]

wot

[hard ivy]

and what are those supposed to do the regular cables don't?

[fluid sapphire]

break everyone's saves

[sterile blade]

Longer reach and faster ziplining 🔥

[unkempt blade]

I always feel like I must be missing something with ziplining. Once I get hypertubes and a jetpack (for different situations) I never look back

[sterile blade]

Ziplining offers decent speed with less setup than hypertubes. It's also (arguably) more fun ^^

[fluid sapphire]

sometimes its nice to just hook into a powerline and zip along with no further input needed

[unkempt blade]

I just like the HT because I can fully tab out if I have an unboostered tube or be there in like 15s once I have boosters set up

[vague sparrow]

idk I feel faster when I just crouch boost with a jetpack, ziplining is just afk transport I guess

[fluid sapphire]

what is this "tab out" you speak of

sounds like you need another monitor or two

[unkempt blade]

one ultrawide is plenty for the comfort of my neck 😄

[sterile blade]

Some don't have the patience to set up the tubes properly and are like "fast travel using stuff I already built (powerlines)? Count me in, no need to do more work~", I think

[unkempt blade]

yeah I get the appeal pre-HT but a lazy tubeline isn't very much effort if you're already doing a conveyor or something in the same direction for me

[vague sparrow]

I just made some BPs with HT cannons for different distances, no further work required

[sterile blade]

You do know that you can "sprint" while ziplining, right? ^^

[vague sparrow]

I've tried that, not sure it made a difference, is it much faster?

[sterile blade]

It's just more effort than using existing powerlines xD
Ofc, different users have different thresholds for what's "too much effort" for faster/more convenient travel

[fluid sapphire]

slide jumping is still faster, but more manual

[vague sparrow]

feels like the speed mostly depends on the speed I arrive on the line at

[sterile blade]

Needs some time to pick up to max speed

[vague sparrow]

boosting off mk6 belt then grabbing onto zipline, if you miss, you lose momentum though, so gotta set it up right lol

[sterile blade]

There's a max speed when ziplining, if you try hooking up whole going faster you get slowed down. Tbf, it might be slower than a slide-jump from MK6 belt, but surely much faster than non-belt-assisted slide-jumping

[limpid cairn]

Okay basically they add a new power system into the game basically making it so cables only transfer a set amount of energy before melting, also you could be faster on higher tier cables with the cable glider (the one in the Catherium tree)

[sterile blade]

*zipline

[fluid sapphire]

thats what i thought, break everyone's savegames

[vague sparrow]

how big do you think the cable is going to need to be to power the machine that takes 60k MW?

60GW*

[limpid cairn]

Use multiple cables

[unkempt blade]

bigger than my thumb but smaller than my leg

[hard ivy]

higher voltage

[unkempt blade]

Everyone seemed to dislike this last time I brought it up but what I'd really like is some sort of wireless power emitter. It could even have some power loss or something if it kept me from wiring everything up and I'd use it

[limpid cairn]

Like as in factorio ?

[unkempt blade]

yeah factori/dsp style but with a 3d area

[limpid cairn]

Actually funny/good idea

[unkempt blade]

there's already a lot of connecting stuff in this game with conveyors/pipes/transport stuff/etc and power is especially obnoxious for me if I want to avoid clipping too much

[limpid cairn]

would be funny if they made it like a plasma ball so when you go near it it starts attacking you

[unkempt blade]

lol maybe a danger area like that could be the downside, that could be fun

[vague sparrow]

Tesla towers

decide on hazmat suit or electric protection

[unkempt blade]

add grounding boots or something 😆

[vague sparrow]

just add rubber to the blade runner recipe

[limpid cairn]

im thinking if adding dmg scaling of the power consumption would be a good idea

Like off the machines yk

[hard ivy]

tesla towers to power the hoverpack in a much longer range would be cool

[limpid cairn]

actually we should give the devs that idea

[hard ivy]

I already did years ago 🙁

[vague sparrow]

I' ll bet money on it itt's oin the website

beat me to it, lol

[limpid cairn]

well, hop over to the ficsit hq and ask personally

[sterile blade]

Can I come too? Need to ask for updates about Programmable Splitters ...

[limpid cairn]

Ngl Programmable splitters were a disappointment

I thought I can add the output rate

So if 10 coal go into the splitter 4 go to the left and 6 to the right or something

[undone kestrel]

Why would you need that?

[sterile blade]

That conflicts with what the devs consider a "challenge" in the game. Ie: figuring out that sort of logistic "issue" is left for the user to have fun with

[limpid cairn]

so I can perfectly balance split the polymer resin I get from my fuel factory into 60% 40% for my rubber and Plastic factory

[hard ivy]

you can already do that

[undone kestrel]

You can do that with a balancer

[hard ivy]

that'd be a ratio splitter, not a balancer

[pallid elm]

uhm blueprint loads into the blueprint designer every time i equip it to build it?

[undone kestrel]

Ratio splitter

[sterile blade]

I read that as "you can do that by having logistical fun"

[undone kestrel]

when did I miss that addition 😂

[undone kestrel]

I mean waiting for the resin on one side to backup also works 😛

[limpid cairn]

That’s actually what I have no

[sterile blade]

I think this might be a known bug, with know triggers and workarounds... Too bad I don't remember what they are, just that this is common 😅

[hard ivy]

and you can change which side is first with a smart splitter

[limpid cairn]

(Fun fact in back fired and my power grid collapsed 😅)

[white dawn]

Yeah, the specific thing I ran into is definitely performance-dependent

[sterile blade]

Ugh, but then you have belts backing up! Ewww! XD

[slate python]

What is the fastest way to get from t0 to t3

[undone kestrel]

Playing the game

[sterile blade]

Step 1: skipping T0 :P

[limpid cairn]

Technically cheating

[slate python]

Oh

[limpid cairn]

But we wouldn’t do that right now?😅

[slate python]

Ya

[undone kestrel]

Harddrive hunting and using the resources scattered around

[limpid cairn]

You might be onto something

[pallid elm]

ill try reload the save and hope it fixes itself

[sterile blade]

Are you asking as a new player or as a speedrunner? ^^
If new, I suggest just taking your time, as rushing things now will likely just lead to you having more issues/headaches/misunderstandings later on

[slate python]

Ok

[limpid cairn]

Speed running satisfaction might be impossible

[sterile blade]

If you have the chance, try verifying your game files too, just in case~

[wary fox]

Is there any way with mods to get a map at the start of the game?

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @sterile blade

[sterile blade]

People in the dedicated server know for sure

[limpid cairn]

Technically you can use your surrounding to determine where you are with the interactive map online

[shy mulch]

OK I still don't really understand them but I've got a junction working by accident so I'll just copy that and hope for the best when I scale up 😎😂

[sterile blade]

99% people just know half the features unique to Programmable Splitters

And, considering they're pretty much 2, that's not a lot

[hard ivy]

2?

other than being able to select multiple different conditions on a single output, what else?

[steady glade]

welcome to the 99%, its cozy here

[gilded goblet]

LMAO

i'm in that 99% too

[sinful zodiac]

I have been hella sleeping on these radar towers. I thout the interactive map was all I needed but DANG this thing is cool!

[gilded goblet]

who can I ask about the other functions?

[limpid cairn]

i think the top 1% (ven cum sushi)

[gilded goblet]

oh okay the one whos literally typing as we speak

[sterile blade]

Technically just that one, if you word it that way xD
I was thinking:

• Being able to filter multiple items at once
• Being able to load-balance multiple items at once

[limpid cairn]

isnt that obvious?

[hard ivy]

load balancing a sushi belt sounds like something a clinically insane person would do

[sterile blade]

Coughs

[gilded goblet]

whats a sushi belt

should I be scared

[limpid cairn]

ill try that next run

[limpid cairn]

do you know how belts work in a sushi restaurant?

thats basically a sushi belt

[sterile blade]

A belt carrying more than one kind of items (like belts carrying different dishes in a sushi bar)

[gilded goblet]

ah

i see

[mortal ginkgo]

I never thought I would find out people more insane than load balancers. Then I met sushi belters...

[sterile blade]

Smart splitters can filter one item at a time, but they can't load-balance it (they don't split it evenly between outputs)

[limpid cairn]

i saw some guy playing factorio with only a sushi beld

[gilded goblet]

i finally unlocked Jetpacks, now I dont have to wait till I'm full health to use my FUCKING hypertubes

[limpid cairn]

shit was scary

[silk ocean]

Just careful not to add more than belt capacity xD

[hard ivy]

inhaler

[limpid cairn]

why are we telling people to use an expensive useless item?

[gilded goblet]

i'm too lazy to mass craft them

[limpid cairn]

its so useless i dont have even one unlocked out of the 50 recipes existing

[gilded goblet]

and tapping space before landing is quite easier

[hard ivy]

then why wait?

[gilded goblet]

?

what

[limpid cairn]

he doesnt have to wait anymore to be full hp SINCE he has the jettpack

[hard ivy]

oh I missed the don't

yeah, true

[gilded goblet]

can we make sticker suggestions

[hard ivy]

you also could've used the parachute before lol

[gilded goblet]

this server needs a "THIS ^" sticker

[limpid cairn]

wait till you get the hoverpack (i cant wait too im missing 2 aluminium sheets)

[hasty stratus]

or u jelly landing pad

[gilded goblet]

I didn't know it existed till last night after I got off 😂

[sterile blade]

Someone finished Satisfactory using only one of the solid inputs aviable on multi-input machines... There's all flavors of players

[limpid cairn]

too expensive (need biomass)

[limpid cairn]

wouldnt wonder me if they turn out to be serial killers

[gilded goblet]

i'm sad that you cant have nobelisks pull right from the dim depo

[hasty stratus]

alien protein biomass

[gilded goblet]

like i wish i didn't even have to have it in my inventory, just IN the dimensional depot

[pine aspen]

Or ammo for Weapons

[limpid cairn]

mine is getting converted to liquid biofuel

[gilded goblet]

Yea

[hasty stratus]

stop prod for 5 min

[gilded goblet]

I mean it's not that deep just search nobelisk grab a hundred or so and fuck off but still, QoL

[vague sparrow]

Inhalers have saved my ass several times tbh, those green bastards sometimes make no sound before they jump at you for 50% of your hp

idk if it's the sound glitching or what, but they're sneaky lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I personally love that when jump attack and normal attack animation overlaps so they combo you in a single frame like that

[vague sparrow]

Yeah, some excitement!

[gilded goblet]

what tier do I have to be to complete the mam in it's entirety

[vague sparrow]

9

[hasty stratus]

for power shards

[gilded goblet]

u cant make time crystals till t9?

[hard ivy]

no

[gilded goblet]

sadge

is there a completed mam tree somewhere I can look at that shows me all the upgrades I can siphon all the inventory size ones

[mortal ginkgo]

it is REALLY far away and really late game brother, go get'em slugs and sloop up the constructors for power shards

[vague sparrow]

You can get the inventory ones pretty quick, way before t9

[gilded goblet]

sweet

i want as much inventory space as I can have because SOMEHOW I always fill it up

[hasty stratus]

dimensional depot

put all your stuff in it

[gilded goblet]

yea thats what I've been doing

[sterile blade]

But yeah (sorry I got distracted a bit and I'd rather clarify), what I wanted to point out wasn't that "most players don't know LUL noobz", but rather that while most people agree that Programmable Splitters feel like little of an upgrade compared to Smart Splitters, most people are also missing out on half of the implications of that upgrade ^^

[gilded goblet]

my dim depo is maxed entirely so

[vague sparrow]

sulfur, quartz and megafauna are the only 3 inventory upgrades from the MAM

[hasty stratus]

also hard drive can give you some

[gilded goblet]

everything else doesn't have any?

[vague sparrow]

and iirc you can get 2 from hjardd drives

[gilded goblet]

ah

[vague sparrow]

Unlock dimensional depots asap, so u can shift click everything in there

[hard ivy]

you can have up to 78 inv slots

[gilded goblet]

^ @vague sparrow

[vague sparrow]

ctrl drag trash

I have requested autofiltering for inventory in the late game on the QA website, but mentioning factorio in there somewhere has made people dislike the idea

Like, I don't need those 5 iron plates and 10 rods everytime i dismantle a building

[gilded goblet]

ah

yea thats mainly where my inventory gets filled from

because by the time I shift click them into my depo, they're already back in my depo so theres no room

[hard ivy]

use items from inv first and my inv is never over half full
they all just get used up when building other stuff

[hasty stratus]

put them in trash

[vague sparrow]

take from depot in stead of inventory is actually better? that seems counterintuitive

[sterile blade]

Yes, very scary stuff
Scary example, click at your own risk: #screenshots message

[vague sparrow]

oh wait

misread that

[tepid dove]

can somebody explain to me how pipes work with water I am about to lose my sh... . I need like 150 water for my pure caterium I pump 360 up to my platform but for some reason only for the first minute it does that and then it only is like 60/min.

[hard ivy]

tbf I did mistype it at first

[hasty stratus]

enough head lift?

[sterile blade]

If you hop into #design-and-architecture or #1038092680493801533 you can add screenshots to show your setup. That can make helping you much easier for us ^^

[pallid elm]

reloading the save worked

[sterile blade]

Good. Thanks for letting me know :)

[gilded goblet]

What are some good blueprints to build?

[pallid elm]

no problem
i think issue was caused by loading a blueprint and modifying it to then save it as another version

[hard ivy]

everything you build more than once

[hasty stratus]

full foundations (squares of them)

[hasty stratus]

after depends on your game style

[gilded goblet]

ahh

i was thinking if I can fit them in mk1 bp maker triple assemblers and such

[vague sparrow]

Also don't forget verticality

[gilded goblet]

yeaaa

i might setup actual processing things for like screws rods plates and set them up in bp's

[vague sparrow]

You can cram 2x as much stuff in 1 BP going in all directions

[tepid dove]

done

[gilded goblet]

I have all my overflow m-frames sinking so I'm gonna get a bunch of tickets saved up and buy a shit ton of stuff from the awesome shop

most for aesthetics, some for functionality

is building in satis kinda like the other sandbox games? you have to trial and error it till you actually make it look not ass

[vague sparrow]

sort of, you can get inspiration from #design-and-architecture

[gilded goblet]

oh shit I didn't even know that existed

[vague sparrow]

or just play around with H and nudging stuff into weird places

[gilded goblet]

yea

currently unlocking oil processing

[wise zinc]

Is there something wrong with Conveyour floor holes? Lifts I can building in them just will not connect. I can see items flowing into the top of the lift, but when I put another one on the floor below items will not pass through it. I have to keep rebuilding it until it finally just takes. I don't understand what's going on.

[fading compass]

true

[winged walrus]

what

what is the H

[limpid cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[winged walrus]

embed fail

[limpid cairn]

lets you move stuff on the grid with arrow keys

[gilded goblet]

What should I do with my heavy oil residue?

[limpid cairn]

it basically looks the structure in place and you can move it with arrow keys and pos1-2 instead of your mouse

[hard ivy]

plus look around without movinf

[limpid cairn]

craft it into fuel

[vague sparrow]

H holds the hologram into position, you can move it with arrow keys and page up/down

[hard ivy]

and then into rubber/plastic/power

[winged walrus]

drink it

[gilded goblet]

yummy

anyways bc i'm gonna setup an oil rig and a refinery wanted to know whats the best course of action for that

[hard ivy]

you'd need 4 alts for the most efficient setup

[gilded goblet]

i dont care for max efficiency rn, I just want to get rubber and plastic passived.

[vague sparrow]

maybe use 1 or 2 nodes, you'll want to expand sooner than you think

[hard ivy]

If you use defaults, you'll need to make some fuel as well.

[gilded goblet]

what i'm planning on doing is getting rubber and plastic passived finishing out T5 and then double or tripling my coal power plant, then switching to fuel gens when I can overkill tf out of it

[hard ivy]

So unlock petroleum power too so you can burn it

[gilded goblet]

Yea thats what I'm gonna use the plastic and such for

[drowsy anvil]

Why isnt there a mod(if there is please send it to me) for truck station item filters 🙁

[vague sparrow]

coal falls off pretty fast once you get some fuel going, even at 100%

[gilded goblet]

then I'll do packaging so I can burn fuel for my jetpack

[minor cedar]

anyone know why a freight platform set to Load wouldnt take resos in from a conveyor while it isnt full?

[gilded goblet]

how much does one fuel gen produce? with base fuel

[hard ivy]

Regular fuel is absolutely terrible for the jetpack. Use packaged liquid biofuel

[gilded goblet]

I see

[loud beacon]

Hi, does anyone know if there are plans in the works for angled frame foundations? Or the ramp /inverted ramp style frame foundations? I'd like to see 1m, 2m varients, not just the 4m one.

[vague sparrow]

iirc the production is alwys the same 275? the consumption gets more efficient with better fuels

[hard ivy]

250 MW regardless of fuel

[gilded goblet]

holy fuck

[hard ivy]

Different fuels just burn faster/slower

[gilded goblet]

I can surpass my entire coal plant with 6 fuel gens 💔

I have 20 coal gens

[vague sparrow]

that's why I said it falls off fast 😛

[gilded goblet]

Do I need fluid packaging to do fuel

[dark elbow]

Um guys

[wise zinc]

I posted a screenshot if anybody wants to take a look. It's driving me batty

[dark elbow]

I just discovered something ingame

[gilded goblet]

like for fuel gens

[hard ivy]

Fuel gens have a fluid input port only

[gilded goblet]

sweet

[dark elbow]

you can break down the crash sites for mats

[gilded goblet]

hear me out guys

[loud beacon]

thats new with the patch yeah

[gilded goblet]

5gw from fuel gens

[dark elbow]

cool

[loud beacon]

they still show up in the distanc eafter you disassemble them though, heads up

[gilded goblet]

thats what 20 fuel gens

[hard ivy]

You can do 20GW from 600 oil and some water with the right recipes

[gilded goblet]

200ML fuel/m correct?

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message 140GW

from I think 900 oil, don't exactly remember what I set the clocking too, it's 1 resource well

[hard ivy]

20 m³/min.
And please don't just use random units.

[gilded goblet]

tasty

I played a different game and fuel was millaliters so I thought it was the same, forgot fluid is m^3/m

I haven't touched fluid in a while

[hard ivy]

/min, not /m too. m is a meter, minute is min

[gilded goblet]

i can almost guarentee that almost everybody would still understand /m

[leaden turret]

this is why I use upm

[gilded goblet]

upm?

[leaden turret]

units per minute. ignore state of matter for the thing being scooted about 😛

[gilded goblet]

ah

[hard ivy]

Depends what you're talking about. Factorio uses m for minutes for some reason and in some places I wonder if they mean minutes again or meters this time

[gilded goblet]

ah

[hard ivy]

Standards exist for a reason

[vague sparrow]

@minor cedar #screenshots message Have you stuck the belt into the right hole?

[gilded goblet]

i'm not sure when I would need to use XXX/meters in this game like ever

[rigid glen]

Not everyone gets this memo

[gilded goblet]

ik standards exist for a reason, but I'm just curious why it was such a issue

[sterile blade]

It makes people go grrr
(Can also cause confusion)

[leaden turret]

A4 points and laughs at "Letter"

[vague sparrow]

preventing confusion, seeing ML got me going what?? for a second

[gilded goblet]

welll yea that i get but not the /m and /min debate

I just played a different game where they use ML as their fluid units

[wise zinc]

@kind raptor Did you react to my screenshots for any particular reason or do you know why they aren't working?

[vague sparrow]

Understandable, we ask you nicely to use this games terminology 🙂

[gilded goblet]

i will now

i just forgot what it was 😭 cuz I haven't used fluids in like a month

[vague sparrow]

Soon you willl be doing nothing but fluids 😅

[dire oar]

yea, i bulid a base with sulfur last time

[vague sparrow]

allmost

[sterile blade]

If you just say "400 Fuel", there's a >50% chance that people will take it as "400 Fuel/min"

[hard ivy]

90% I'd say

[gilded goblet]

i'll start fucking with people and saying like 400m^3f/m

[sterile blade]

You're around far more often then me lately, so I'll trust your judgment 🫡

[earnest ingot]

guys

[kind raptor]

That's a known bug. Floor holes haven't been working correctly for several updates. In some cases they don't run the right numbers.

[earnest ingot]

my factory overseers are here

[minor cedar]

i just had to rebuild the platform and it was fine after

[wise zinc]

Oi okay thanks.

[sterile blade]

Ask people for help insisting on using number of items per second and enjoy the mayhem

[vague sparrow]

thats DSP territory

[knotty barn]

NO

[earnest ingot]

(check screenshots to see my super cool factory overseers)

[vague sparrow]

Dyson sphere rockets go brrrr 80k p/s

[gilded goblet]

dont give me ideas

[quick verge]

Why does straight build mode sometimes do this weird shit with belts? https://i.imgur.com/hDgXlr4.jpeg

[vague sparrow]

the node from which the belt originates from does not align nicely with the grid

[gilded goblet]

have a free coupon stay quiet and dont question it :)

from ficsit themselves

[vague sparrow]

putting a default/curve belt close to the miner and going straight from there fixes it

[gilded goblet]

is it only from miners?

[knotty barn]

Because of Snutt's old shitty code. That's why he bailed from CSS out of embarrassment

[vague sparrow]

sometimes machines too i think, if you nudged them in other positions

[quick verge]

Appreciate it guys, thanks

[knotty barn]

Just kidding

I miss Snutt and Jace

[gilded goblet]

we did not just react to our own message 💔

[vague sparrow]

lonewolf 👆

[knotty barn]

Yes we did

had to just in case someone got butthurt from the previous message and decided to report me like what happened a while back

[gilded goblet]

ah

fair enough

[knotty barn]

someone's name that starts with a Z got triggered more than a weapons channel on Youtube

[gilded goblet]

LMAO

[warped peak]

Hi, I'm new here and I wanted to know how to get the Conveyor Throughput Monitor recipe.

[gilded goblet]

ight time to lock the flip in and get my shit together and get my oil plastic and rubber producing so I can switch to fuel gens tonight

[gilded goblet]

You could click N and search it

[boreal musk]

awesome shop

[vague sparrow]

Awesome shop

[gilded goblet]

oh yea right

[fluid sapphire]

awesome shop

[gilded goblet]

yea the recipie is in the awesome shop for 5 tickets

[knotty barn]

though you can get it through the Awesome Shop, I believe you still need to be a high enough tier to unlock it as well

So, if you cannot find it, don't go crazy thinking it's just you, because your tier probably isn't high enough to even see it in the shop

[fluid sapphire]

its not that far in, you need the ability to produce crystal oscillators

[boreal musk]

no, you can unlock it very early

[gilded goblet]

yea it's in the management

[boreal musk]

you just need to unlock crystal oscillator

[gilded goblet]

thats easy asf

OH MY GOD I CAN LOAD WORLDS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE MENU I'M IN LOVE

[knotty barn]

So I actually work in a factory and still play a factory game, go figure

[gilded goblet]

fun

[fluid sapphire]

if i have a train with 2 locos and 8 cars, do i need to use an empty platform as a buffer to make sure my train aligns correctly with the setup?

or is my train able to poke its head out

[hard ivy]

only the front locomotive will stop at the station

[fluid sapphire]

so i do need an empty platform

[boreal musk]

you need empty station for the 2nd loco

[fluid sapphire]

ok, fair enough

time to make some big boi trains

so far i only have 1 that uses a single car, and another with 4

[quiet gust]

Am i crazy for my standard train being 2 loco 4 cars?

[hard ivy]

a bit

[fluid sapphire]

i think you get slightly faster acceleration, but thats it?

[hard ivy]

1 loco to 3-5 wagons is generally optimal

[quiet gust]

Its habbit from my last save having really bad slopes

[gilded goblet]

so, just so I know what I'm talking about KYO297 you have good oil and fuel knowledge yes?

[hard ivy]

yes

[quiet gust]

unfrotunately , he has never used a pipe /s

[warped peak]

The Conveyor Throughput Monitor recipe is not listed in my Awesome shop, even though I can create a crystal oscillator.

[gilded goblet]

okay so 1 oil node producing 120 oil, i can get a total of 80 rubber/min and 120 m^3 heavy oil residue/min. which can

be turned into 80m^3 fuel/min
that 80 m^3 fuel/min can be used to fully sustain with no loss of power 4 fuel gens? because you stated that fuel gens use 20 m^3 fuel/min

[quiet gust]

yeah

[gilded goblet]

perfect

[fair salmon]

anyone esle find it a little ridiculous you have to continue to burn singularity cells with portals, why cant you turn them on and off

[quiet gust]

iirc you can also turn it into coke and burn it in coal gens at a rate of 25 per min for nearly the same power lemme double check tho

[limpid cairn]

Do you have a coal and sulfur node nearby ?

[gilded goblet]

i'm not sure I haven't scouted the node yet

[limpid cairn]

Scan for both and check the map

[quiet gust]

you also need to have the rubber hooked up to an overflow awesome sink so you can continuosly produce power

[gilded goblet]

i see

i usually sink overflows so

[hard ivy]

the default rubber recipe makes makes rubber and HOR 1:1. so you'd end up with 80 HOR, and 53.333 fuel, not 120 and 80

[quiet gust]

actually i miscounted, you can only supply 2.6666666 fuel gens cause you get 53.33333333 fueal

[split rover]

Satisfactory Plus 1.1 is almost ready 🔥🔥 Can’t wait for the most frustrating save of my life

[gilded goblet]

i get 53.3333333 fuel from 2 refineries making 40 m^3 fuel/min?

[midnight hull]

hello chat it is I, Autism

[quiet gust]

no the recipe is 6 HOR per 4 fuel

[gilded goblet]

I was doing the math for an entire normal oil node which would equate to 2 refineries making the fuel

[quiet gust]

you make 80 HOR which turns to 53.33333333333333 fuel

[warped peak]

The Conveyor Throughput Monitor recipe is not listed in my Awesome shop, although I can craft a Crystal Oscillator in a test world with everything unlocked. Does anyone know how to unlock it?

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ND9ExxfBAQbMZ6UdiE5B

depends which recipes you use

[gilded goblet]

I'm using residual fuel and the base rubber recipie

[hard ivy]

then that's what I sent

[gilded goblet]

alright i'll take a look

I see my mistake, i thought it was 40 m^3 HOR/min not 60

I must have read something wrong

thank you for catching that mistake before a fatal error occured and I had no power 😭

[sterile blade]

Can't you turn them on/off?
They just take some time to warm up, right?

[shy mulch]

Just make more singularity cells. I'm doing 50/min atm, working on doubling that 😄

[hard ivy]

turning them off and on defeats their entire purpose imo

the warmup makes it take several times longer

[gilded goblet]

I'm gonna back track from the 20 fuel gens in a testing world

wait whats stopping me from using turbo fuel? progression?

[hard ivy]

nothing, really

[gilded goblet]

Bc I can SEE the turbo fuel recipie

is that why someone asked if I had sulfer and coal nearby?

[hard ivy]

but you can just do this
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=JnGAVVqT7sfjfU0UQngw
and it's easier than turbo

[quiet gust]

yes

[gilded goblet]

i see

[quiet gust]

but i personally wouldnt worry about it yet

[quiet gust]

i would wait till you get the heavy oil residue recipe and the diluted packaged fuel recipe before making a fuel power plant

[gilded goblet]

I have them

or the alt recipes

[quiet gust]

the alt recipes

[gilded goblet]

I see

I just need to get like a few up so I can have a little more power headroom

I was cutting it REAL close last night, 900MW's and i'm producing 1.2k MW's

[quiet gust]

fair

at that point though i would just build more coal plants

[gilded goblet]

I could go drive hunting today then set it up tmrw

[quiet gust]

let it be known there are like 60 alts at that point, so if you really wanna, dont do any more milestones so you dont thin out the pool further

[gilded goblet]

alright

watch I get lucky and crack it first 2 drives 😂

[bold valley]

Not possible to blow rocks or hills up, is there?

[quiet gust]

only cracked rocks

[hard ivy]

some rocks, yes, cliffs in general no

[gilded goblet]

wait with that 1600 m^3 fuel/m i could do 80 fuel gens?

20gw power 😭

[quiet gust]

yeah, and the two alts 4x';s fuel gain compared to reg fuel

[gilded goblet]

where the FUCK am I going to put 80 fuel gens

[wary veldt]

How do I change satisfactory control keybinds on steam deck?

[willow glen]

there’s lots of places. I have about 200 in the titan forest. The blue crater is a popular one. The spire coast and islands can both fit that in a one story grid quite easily

[gilded goblet]

i've heard about the blue crater

[willow glen]

also, multiple stories! That’s what I usually do in blue crater. Fuel gens on top of refineries

[willow glen]

SE corner of map. Lots of oil

[quiet gust]

that has the largerst sulfur cluster ( a pure normal and impure) as well as a nearby pure sulfur in the neighboring biomes, 2850 oil and a shit ton of coal, so perfect for turbo fuel

[gilded goblet]

ahh

t6 I get mk2 pipes yea?

[quiet gust]

or rocket fuel in t8

[quiet gust]

yeah, i would get that but dont get maufacturing

you will heavily dilute you pool of alts

[gilded goblet]

why

ah

[quiet gust]

get it after HOR and DLP

[gilded goblet]

well I might not have to run a mk2 pipeline actually

I'd just need to run 10 pipelines

[quiet gust]

yeah but you cant extract the full 600 from pure nodes without it

also it'd be much easier to just build in the biome rather than send the oil anywhere

[gilded goblet]

true

[green fiber]

long pipes also take an eternity to fill and you'll die of old

[gilded goblet]

i see

[quiet gust]

and of stupid pipe mechanics

[gilded goblet]

well I mean, i went from 240MW's to 1.2k MW's, why not go from 1.2k to 20k

[quiet gust]

do it but unlock mk2 pipe first

[gilded goblet]

ye ye ye

47 refineries and 53 ish packagers, and 80 fuel gens to make 20GW of power, not terrible actually

[quiet gust]

if you do turbo fuel its like 3x

[gilded goblet]

with the alts?

[green fiber]

but takes considerable amount of coal and sulfur

[quiet gust]

yeah

[gilded goblet]

i see

well, I better get fucking MOTORS passived soon

same with rubber

[quiet gust]

and plastic ( mk2 pipes use plastic and copper sheets))

and you want a klot of sheets per minute

[gilded goblet]

:(

[quiet gust]

and concrete for building said factory

[gilded goblet]

yea I'm good on concrete

I have like 27k

[quiet gust]

how much per min

[quiet gust]

that wont get as far as you hope

[gilded goblet]

I have no clue

[quiet gust]

...

[gilded goblet]

whats 1 constructor

[quiet gust]

15

[hard ivy]

15?

[gilded goblet]

thats how much per minute then

[quiet gust]

you need liked 120 per minute imo

[quiet gust]

15 per minute

[hard ivy]

I have 960 lol

[gilded goblet]

Jesus

im either doing 1 or 2 constructors

I think 2

[quiet gust]

whats ur starting location

[gilded goblet]

Northern Forrest

my friend said it was the best for early game

[snow swallow]

Hi all! What is the best/good server host? Looking in Europe

[hard ivy]

best ask in #dedicated-servers

[quiet gust]

i have good news for you, you have an alternative you can do, build in the spire coase whcih has even more oil and just do diluted fuel, you can get up to 60ish gw

(if you want)

also uh, just find some pure limestone nodes

not hard to find in the forrest

[gilded goblet]

I'm pretty sure i'm using one

[quiet gust]

use MORE

[gilded goblet]

oh haha, uh so I am using 2 constructors, but i underclocked both to 10/min idk why tho

[quiet gust]

conrete is the item you should have produced at the highest rate for your dimensional depot imo

[hard ivy]

to use 30 limestone/min prolly

[quiet gust]

followed by copper sheets

[quiet gust]

or 60 since its 2

[gilded goblet]

yea

it felt smart cuz they were running 24/7

[hard ivy]

getting past steel on concrete production from tier 1 is impressive honestly

[gilded goblet]

I mean I afk a lot sometimes so

I found a Limestone pure node

[reef basin]

selfhosting always best 😛

[hard ivy]

you can use wet concrete now too

[fluid sapphire]

Eh, you dont really, even a low number per min adds up over time

[gilded goblet]

wet concrete?

[quiet gust]

have you ever built a large factory with a foundation bp

[hard ivy]

alt recipe for concrete. limestone and water and you get more concrete per limestone

[gilded goblet]

ohhhh

[quiet gust]

an alternate, it uses water and limestone to make concrete at a greater rate and using less limestone per concrete

[shy mulch]

it's not about it building up over time, it's about raw capacity for using it, when throwing large blueprints down it's not unusual to use 1k concrete per minute

[gilded goblet]

ah

[fluid sapphire]

That's why the concrete uploaders are buffered with 40 industrial containers, if upload speed is a concern, that's a different problem

[sterile blade]

One can also build multiple Depots for the same item ^^ (eg: 2 Depots fed by one ISC)

[fluid sapphire]

Yes

[gilded goblet]

I'll do 120/min

[quiet gust]

its 2x more limestone efficient and makes 80 per min per machine

but not needed if you just spam enough constructors

[quiet gust]

yeah but you need the conrete to sustain it

[gilded goblet]

jesus

[shy mulch]

I have 6 depots being fed by concrete and sometimes still run out

[hard ivy]

well, you also need to find the nodes to feed the constructors

[gilded goblet]

also is the world grid ALWAYS on the same rotation?