satisfactory

[reef basin]

don't rebuild anything then. Keep old, build new

[astral knot]

not sure how these trains work

[radiant swallow]

im using the alt-recipe for the casings

[vestal mica]

I do. I like not knowing what's coming next and not being able to just plug the next target into a calculator and get the optimal build spat out

[dense bone]

im making it more eFishient

[wicked nacelle]

start by making two stations that look like this <SFF------FFS> (make sure the stations are facing away from each other with the curved top being the front of them) then make a train that looks like <EFFE> with the engines on each end facing away from each other -- that's the absolute simplest train setup you can make

[reef basin]

rebuilding is not efficient though

[astral knot]

ohhhh so the locomotive can be on both ends?

[dense bone]

making full use of the nodes is

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, in autodrive the train will only go in a direction where there is an engine in the front that goes forward. in self drive they go reverse just fine

[humble osprey]

Damn.... Thanks! I'll do it after I finish my playthru

[reef basin]

making full use of nodes is not really useful

it doesn't matter if you use one full node or two nodes at 50%, you've used same % of total world resources

and even if you wanted to use a node fully, that doesn't require any rebuilding, just plop a splitter after the miner and you have the excess materials to use

[unkempt blade]

every time people start talking about efficiency I always wonder why they aren't using more factory carts since they're by far the most efficient vehicle

[tawdry bridge]

im 50 hrs into this game and i heckin loveit

[astral knot]

not entirely sure how much freight cars i should be putting

[dense bone]

making full use of nodes gives more resources using the same amount of nodes so its useful

[white dawn]

I always just start with a single car per material and then add more if it turns out that the route doesn't support my throughput with only a single car

[reef basin]

I don't use nodes for the sake of using nodes

I have a goal I want to reach, which requires me to use X/min raw resource. Whether that comes from a single node or multiple doesn't matter at all

[white dawn]

(Unless it's, like, abundantly clear immediately that a single car won't be sufficient, which is something you'll get a feel for with time)

[unkempt blade]

you can always upgrade your miner and use a splitter to send the additional resources to another factory and leave the old one running

[wicked nacelle]

a freight station can support about 1.5 belts of input/output safely (it varies based on a bunch of factors). make sure to put an industrial container on each freight station to help buffer during the loading/unloading animation

[dense bone]

thats your way of playing not everyone plays like that

[brisk stream]

Fuck yeah just finished power

flat ass line 🤤

[reef basin]

sure, but even then, if you need X/min resources, it doesn't matter if it's from one or multiple nodes, it's the same in the end

[astral knot]

do i need to use foundations for my rail tracks or can i jut plop them on the ground

[unkempt blade]

plus if they're far away you get to set up a really impressive factory cart route to move it back to where ever needs it

[dense dagger]

Dimension depot can intake different items in 1 right

I dont want to waste all those spheres for each item lol

[wicked nacelle]

they can go on the ground though I highly recommend you put your stations fully on foundations

[reef basin]

yes, but if that item is full, it will back up

[wicked nacelle]

no, it will get jammed

[vestal mica]

it definitely makes it more complicated. but that's the part of the game i enjoy the most. getting it to work. i dont' really get much into making it look nice.

[wicked nacelle]

there are a LOT of mercer spheres in the game -- I've fully sphered everything I want and I have 33 in my inventory

[dense dagger]

So it's just better to have 1 per item to avoid jamming

[limpid cairn]

btw is it worth using impure nodes?

[slender quest]

Yes if you need them.

[white dawn]

Sure, it'd be silly to avoid them, in fact

[reef basin]

yes, it's the same resource as from pure

[dense turtle]

i just snail them up

[wicked nacelle]

yes, especially if there's a bunch around -- just combine them. 4 makes a pure. or 1 normal and two impure

[slender quest]

Up to you to choose what kind of setup you go for.

[limpid cairn]

yeah but it gives like way less

[obsidian mauve]

has anyone here tried to play in vr

[white dawn]

In the very early game there's a slight argument that using normal or pure is better, just since you're pretty power-limited in the very early game, but even that is marginal at best

[dense bone]

happened to me when i made a refinery and nothing used plastic so it just was sitting there

📉 📉 📉

[unkempt blade]

it's higher power cost per ore mined but there's no other downside

[limpid cairn]

im at the mid game i think

[wicked nacelle]

don't build a factory that is going to want a lot when there's just 1 impure around. but if you find a normal and 2 impures then that's great 🙂

[dense dagger]

Turbo fuel unlocked time to make the power hub at blue crater rip

[dense bone]

replied to the wrong message

[white dawn]

On the other hand, if that factory only needs the output of that one impure node, then have at it! A lot of factories require a lot of different resources, at different rates. A single impure for one of your resources may be more than enough

[vestal mica]

i only use pure nodes. items made from pure nodes just have that extra shine that the impure items don't have

[wicked nacelle]

it's true, I read it in the patch notes

[reef basin]

doesn't really matter. It gives ore, if I need ore, I don't care if it's from pure or impure

[white dawn]

It's true that the lustre just isn't the same, otherwise

[humble osprey]

Hey where are people building oil factories man? I see everyone build in an ocean with a bunch of empty space. Where is that????

[unkempt blade]

just make sure to move the items made with pure ore using a gold factory cart or the shine will come off

[white dawn]

Generally near the oil nodes (many of which even happen to be right on largeish bodies of water, in fact). :)

[dense bone]

every time you use an impure node ada cries

[slender quest]

Western or northern shore of the map, or any place with water and oil, really.

[wicked nacelle]

the whole northern central coast is covered with oil nodes

[astral knot]

i havent even started using these and i already love them

[humble osprey]

No there's this very specific place everyone builds in, it's just a massive ocean

[humble osprey]

Noted!! Thank you!!

[dense turtle]

if u use 1 pure and make 240 per minute and ur factory only uses up like 100 u could just use 1 impure with a snail inside

[humble osprey]

North is up right???

[white dawn]

"Everyone" builds all over the map. But yeah, there are a few places with oil which are right on the ocean

[slender quest]

Yes.

[white dawn]

no, "up" is the Z axis

[vestal mica]

if you are walking uphill, then you are going north

[humble osprey]

Or the Y axis

[slender quest]

Top of the map.

[white dawn]

Heh, I suppose it is a bit unclear, depending on local convention. :D

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map if you want to see the full map and where different resource types are. with oil, be careful -- there are two types of oil nodes. The "resource wells" ones you unlock later into the game

[humble osprey]

It's very dangerous there. I'll see what I can do

[old badger]

A popular spot is on the West coast, just northwest of the grassy-land starter area

[astral knot]

dang i wish i knew this 😭 i spawned at the west side and my scanner detected two (2) pure oil nodes to the south west

[slender quest]

Those are fine too.

Quite good spot, actually.

[humble osprey]

Yes I'm at teir 8 (or was it 9?) so that shouldn't be an issue

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, that's a good spot to make a lot of plastic/rubber.

[white dawn]

Any oil node is fine. You really have to try hard to exhaust any resources on the map, with the possible exception of SAM (though even that can be slooped to the point where you're unlikely to actually run out unless you're specifically trying to)

[dense bone]

which machine is used to produce turbo motors?

[wicked nacelle]

ah, then make sure you tick both oil types (3 node qualities and resource wells) on in the map if you're looking

[humble osprey]

There's no oil there tho? I've been there

[old badger]

there's a spot with a small island. Has a few nodes there including a pure I think

[humble osprey]

Thanks! !!!

[white dawn]

You can find out via the in-game codex. Hit o to open the codex, or n for a search bar. Search for "turbo" on either, and it'll show you all the recipes you know for it (which will include what machine the recipes use)

[dense bone]

ty

[white dawn]

The search bar is also a calculator, btw. n for nalculator

[dense bone]

turbo motors are surprisingly cheap

[white dawn]

(Although that advice is only assuming you have them unlocked. The codex only shows you stuff that you've got access to. If you want info about stuff you haven't unlocked yet, the wiki is your best bet)

I think that might be the first time anyone's ever said that about turbo motors.

[dense bone]

yeah i unlocked them

[dense bone]

its not that expensive tbh

[humble osprey]

Do I wanna automate nuke noblisks

[dense bone]

the default recipe at least

[dense bone]

[wicked nacelle]

I recommend it. it's fun 🙂

[humble osprey]

I like that smile

[astral knot]

theyre really serious about the Exploit part

[winter spoke]

one drone port - one destination?

[white dawn]

I dunno, I'd put them at nearly the top tier of complexity + requirements. I admit it's a bit difficult for me to gauge since I've been through the game often enough that I don't find any of the resources particularly daunting. But turbo motors are no joke. Obvs you've got TPRs and BWDs on top, but still; Turbomotors aren't messing about

[humble osprey]

Omg I use the South West too! I made 32000MW from a single pure node

[dense bone]

the stuff thats giving me the most problems are super computers

[humble osprey]

I automated them very easily

[astral knot]

wait. is the map not random

[dense bone]

i need more copper

[white dawn]

Heh, I actually find Supercomputers more straightforward than Turbomotors. Interesting!

[humble osprey]

It's hand crafted. This isn't Minecraft

[white dawn]

Correct, it's 100% handcrafted. The only thing that's randomized is the composition of some of the resource deposits (the ones that go away after you hand-chip at them)

[astral knot]

no wonder some power slugs seem to be on platforming challenges

[dense bone]

i will just use somersloop on them or something

for now

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's a lot of fun stuff like that to discover in the map. :D

[astral knot]

platforming challenge slugs when i find the slightest upward slope with my parachute:

[leaden turret]

[skeletor meme voice] remember; every eggplant on the map was put there on purpose, not because of an algorithm. until we meet again!

[astral knot]

cant wait to find the 900 korok seeds

wait so this means i have a limited about of mercer spheres, power slugs, and somersloops

[wicked nacelle]

power slugs yes... but eventually unlimited power shards

there are more mercer spheres then you'll really care to use, so don't worry about those, either. sloops are valuable but there's still a lot if you're not lazy with them -- "oh I don't need to build more production I'll just sloop this refinery output"

[white dawn]

Yeah, sloops are really the only "limited" resource you're likely to ever care about

[wicked nacelle]

sloops are amazing for cutting elevator requirements in half

[humble osprey]

Do u guys use conver belts for personal transport or am I the only one??

[white dawn]

And there are more than enough slugs on the map to tide practically anyone over until you get to the point of automating shards. (Plus you can ||tame lizard doggos and they will occasionally bring you slugs||, for technically infinite slugs that way)

[unkempt blade]

Of course it was created by a benevolent all knowing creator! Do people really think something with the beauty and complexity of a lizard doggo or factory cart could have just evolved by chance?

[white dawn]

Next up from Coffee Stain Studios: Factory Cart Simulator 2027

[stiff ibex]

careful where you put them though make sure you keep track

[wicked nacelle]

I still think there should be a super rare chance of them bringing you a sloop 🙂 would give doggos a point again now that shards are infinite

[unkempt blade]

If they just did a port of tony hawk with the cart I'd be throwing money at them. I just need a combo counter

[stiff ibex]

i had to go through and find like 20 sloops from my og spaghetti base

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, easy to lose track of sloops. I recommend using a specific customization for machines which use sloops, so it's easy to see them from a distance

(that or keep track, of course, but the customization is nice if you're not religious about doing that)

[leaden turret]

all knowing, sure.

benevolent? who knows

[stiff ibex]

i eventually just used the SCIM website to list all buildings and looked through for which were slooped

[violet pecan]

Maybe this is a useless idea, but imagine a Passenger Car for locomotives

[stiff ibex]

but it still took a while

[wicked nacelle]

there's no reason for them to be anywhere except your dimensional storage or a dimensional box. You can always ask SCIM to show you where your uploaders are -- so yes you can't do dumb things like put them in a box in the middle of nowhere, but the most common things to do with them are very safe 🙂

[humble osprey]

Two belts fit perfectly in a catwalk. So you can have giant two way walk systems that speed boost you

And I don't see many people use this

[stiff ibex]

i was mainly talking about them being in machines

[humble osprey]

I use this to walk around very fast in my fuel factories, coal burners, etc etc

[white dawn]

Technically it's quite easy to use the existing mechanics for passenger rail; I end up using my train network to get around the map all the time. Can even add in a dedicated "passenger" station at your factories to facilitate it!

[stiff ibex]

just becomes a pain later on if you forget where they are in a sea of spaghetti

[humble osprey]

Or to even walk between a hyper tube and the factory

[wicked nacelle]

oh sloops? Yeah. But you can ask SCIM to tell you where they are

[humble osprey]

Just anywhere where I do a lot of walking. I'll plop there guys down

[astral knot]

my dumbass decided to dedicate 3 refineries for making fuel to turn into packaged fuel

[stiff ibex]

is there a way to do that directly? I was doing it through just looking at a list of all machines and scrolling through to see which were slooped

[wicked nacelle]

that's how you do it, but it doesn't take more than a few minutes even with a huge list of machines and hopefully you don't have to do it that often 🙂

[unkempt blade]

pre-depot I'd fill a train up with materials for projects and just take it with me to avoid multiple trips

[humble osprey]

What's wrong

[sage crypt]

coffee stain goat simulator 2 2046

[stiff ibex]

it also wasnt 100% accurate though, even with a freshly updated save it was telling me some machines were slooped when they werent

[humble osprey]

Holup tis genius

[stiff ibex]

i think the way they are recorded in a save is stored differently or something

[wicked nacelle]

Technically it tells you if the next output will be slooped, which doesn't require a sloop to be present

no, it just knows the machines current settings not if there's a sloop -- if you remove a sloop and it doesn't finish another cycle then it will still double the next cycle.

[white dawn]

You could even go a step further and set up a train route to automatically replenish on the route, rather than loading up by hand. You can do that with vehicles too, though of course that would mean recording a whole route for it

Or, Drone Malls were a pretty popular way of factory-building-material delivery

[stiff ibex]

oh yeah that mightve been it since some of them were shut off

[white dawn]

Sadly those don't happen much anymore, now that we have Depots

[astral knot]

i have too much packaged fuel

i started to just throw them into awesome sink

[white dawn]

Maybe I'll make a point of building drone malls again for my next playthrough; I miss 'em already. :(

[unkempt blade]

even with depots a central mall is a really fun logistics project if people haven't tried it before

[tawdry plank]

after a week of not playing the game it

it's time to learn trains

[humble osprey]

You'll use it all when u get drones

[white dawn]

I used to occasionally even set up mini building-support factories onsite for basic materials (like Phase 1 stuff, generally) back in the day

Once you're used to those early production chains they're a breeze to set up, and there's usually at least spare limestone + iron about

[violet pecan]

But what about taking d o g g o s

[white dawn]

Get a temporary building-material factory set up; tear it down once the build's done

[tawdry plank]

#design-and-architecture message

what do yall think of the pillars :>

[white dawn]

No need to crosspost, btw; #design-and-architecture is already a chat-focused channel

[unkempt blade]

everything I do is excessively colorful so I say add color but I like the shape 😄

[tawdry plank]

colour aint my forte unless it's blu

now i needa figure out how to do junction bp but i cant seem to overlap the railways

[white dawn]

Junctions are nigh impossible with the vanilla blueprints, btw. If you're trying to do rail intersections in blueprints you may want to look at using mods to get bigger blueprinters

There's just not a lot of room in there to work with, compared to the sizes that rails typically impose

[astral knot]

I LOVE TRAINS

[wicked nacelle]

fortunately throwing together a junction takes about 30s once you're good at it.

[stuck oak]

are train stations supposed to be at the end a station? train pulls up to just in front of it and then goes back the other way without getting all the way to the freight platforms

[old badger]

what self-respecting satisfactory nerd doesn't love trains

[tawdry plank]

god i already am not looking forward to trains

now i remember why i closed this game for a week

[fluid sapphire]

Why not, trains are awesome

[wicked nacelle]

they have to be at the end of the station the way the train approaches the station AND the station direction has to match the direction of teh train (the direction is the arrow while you're placing it or the curved top end after placed)

[white dawn]

There's a learning curve, but once you're used to them IMO it's not bad at all

[wicked nacelle]

it's not "not bad" it's the best part of the whole game 🙂

[white dawn]

Heh, trains are certainly great. :D Though especially if you want them to look good/realistic, it is a nonzero amount of work to do so. (Though some folks use mods to help with that)

[old badger]

when you look back at your fearful naivete, and how far you've come, it will be one of the many many things you love most about trains in the future

[tawdry plank]

long distance logistics isnt the fun part for me. making the factories themselves are

[white dawn]

The trick is to realize that long-distance logistics are merely part of your factories. :D

[stuck oak]

so the station arrow should point away from the station back towards the other way? (i'm not using loops I've got a loco on each end of the train)

[white dawn]

You're building advanced conveyor belts, from scratch, to your own specs!

[wicked nacelle]

<SFF-----FFS> S = station > is the direction and F is a freight spot

[vestal mica]

ffs

[stuck oak]

thank you laying it out like that helps alot!

[tawdry plank]

the notation confuses me lol. ill just go back to bashing my head against it

someone tried to explain signaling before to me and it broke me brain

[wicked nacelle]

make sure the engines are facing away from each other too --- <EFFE>

[white dawn]

@rotund field (re: #screenshots message ) -- In the end it all depends on how "big" you build. 24-48 coal gens is probably a pretty common range for folks to shoot for, though. If you find out you need more later, can always build more!

[wicked nacelle]

two trains can't be in the same signal area at once. that's all block signals are and you only need block signals

[stuck oak]

Yes!

[rotund field]

im using coal gens from the mod refined power one is making 150 mw and i have 16

[tawdry plank]

idk i guess it'll just click with me when i see it cause the words aint making sense in me head

[white dawn]

Well, if you're using mods then the question of "how much of X should I do?" is even more unanswerable by anyone but yourself. :)

[rotund field]

Xd

[white dawn]

As always with power, though: just build as much as you can stand to build in one go. Then if you need more later, build more. :)

[tawdry plank]

back to the trenches I go. let's hope trains wont make me quit the game again 🙃

[wicked nacelle]

good thing you know somewhere where people will basically fight over who gets to help someone learn trains 🙂

[dense turtle]

i will need some help too

[tawdry plank]

yeah but that fighting made me just avoid this server for the past week lol

[dense turtle]

with trains once i run my first one around the map i think there will be a lot of troubleshooting

[tawdry plank]

cause i knew id just get contradicted for avoiding trains again

i know i shouldn't've kept trains to the last moment but eh it happens

[white dawn]

If you're just starting out with trains, I recommend just letting it grow organically instead of starting out with grand map-wide plans. Need material from A->B? Set that up. Then when you next need C->D, maybe hook that up to the original too, etc.

[astral knot]

ok so its not filling up my freight car

[violet pecan]

Let's be real: does anyone ACTUALLY use the leached ingot recipes?

[dense turtle]

currently im making a track where it picks up outputs from all my factories and puts it in my great storage,

[white dawn]

IMO it'd feel pretty bad to spend dozens of hours setting up a mapwide rail network only to discover once you're done that there's some aspect of the design which really should've been tweaked right from the start

[reef basin]

yes

[astral knot]

and it does look like i dont have the option to dock the train

[violet pecan]

Wait, really?

[white dawn]

Leached recipes are pretty niche, for sure. But if you happen to be near some sulfur and need more ingots out of your ore, it can be handy. (Though I admit I have yet to use them myself)

[stone bridge]

How do you use this object scanner?

[reef basin]

yes 😉

[white dawn]

It's like a hot/cold thing. Choose which thing to scan for, and then as you're facing the right direction, it'll get more and more urgent with the sounds/visuals

You need to be somewhat close before it'll pick up the object at all

[wicked nacelle]

pick what you want it to find using mouse buttons and then it tells you if you're looking at one and are close

[stone bridge]

ok

thanks

[violet pecan]

Hold it out, it scans for stuff in a radius. Signal gets stronger as you get closer to whatever you scan for. (Hold) right click to change what you scan for.

[wicked nacelle]

if there's not one around it gives a different message than if there is but you're looking away from it

[stone bridge]

it's going out of range

[astral knot]

yeah idk what im doing wrong with the train

[tawdry plank]

so i dont need any signaling other than the junctions right, and ideally all entrances only one path signal and all exits one block signal?

[white dawn]

A #1038092680493801533 thread is often the best place for train problems, since you can attach screenshots inline. Make sure to take the screenshots with the signal coloration showing, if you're using a signalled rail line

[glossy spade]

I have a stupid Q,
for Crude oil > HOR > Diluted Pakaged Fuel

Where would i best add power shards... I cant quite work it out on any of the calcs

[unkempt blade]

you just need to roll a dice for each step of the production chain and trust in fate

[trim vine]

At the fuel gennies

[wicked nacelle]

@limalso you unlock new types of items that it can find as you progress through the game and do research and wahtever

[white dawn]

Heh, sounds like an interesting playthrough restriction

Auto-unlock alts but roll randomly for each recipe starting from the end product. :D

[violet pecan]

It's just more resources for slightly more relatively early game ingots

It's pointless! Mad!

[prisma yoke]

chat do i make a train for each factory that does runs to get resources or do i make a train for each resource that makes runs to each factory

[pseudo vine]

so ive been looking for SAM but i cant find any anyone know an easier way to find it

[glossy spade]

is that not gonna just speed up the rate of which fuel is Consumed****,
and then eventually it'll stall out anyways?

[tawdry plank]

scim

[lean ferry]

why diamond so expensive bruh its just coal pressed together

it dont need a particle accelerator

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but what if the universe wants you to use those resources? You've got to let the dice take the wheel

[trim vine]

You build, at 100%, refineries that can process X amount of oil into Z amount of fuel, through whatever recipes you decide you want to use.

Divide the total number of fuel being produce by the amount of fuel a genny burns at 100%, then divide again by 2.5

[pseudo vine]

what do you mean

[lean ferry]

but anyways it brings me to my question: 30 crystal/min enough? for personal use

[tawdry plank]

interactive map. SCIM

[main topaz]

If you don't want to just look it up, SAM is generally in caves, high places, or other werid locations.

[trim vine]

oil diamonds work like a dream

[lean ferry]

but my oil empire 🙁

[pseudo vine]

ok thanks

[lean ferry]

i mean diamond is worth it

[glossy spade]

Okay, i totally understand you,
but my ape brain needs 5-7 working days to catch up

[wicked nacelle]

diamonds are the ultimate end-game resource suck. like copper powder is for copper except for LOTS of types

[humble osprey]

I wish we had more character customization :/

[lean ferry]

wait wait 200 oil for 40 DIAMONDS?

[red shale]

Just want to share with someone before go crying i spend 3 day check all my aluminium production, rebuild 2 time without understand why it's shutdown every time, its the HOVERPACK ISSUE !

[lean ferry]

so one pure node can get me 60/ crystals a min

[humble osprey]

Yes sir

[trim vine]

imo, refineries are easy to build

Fuel gennies suck

[lean ferry]

HARD DRIVES HERE I COME

[humble osprey]

I wish fuel gens ate more fuel

[trim vine]

I literally saved all the oil in the blue crater for that

[lean ferry]

bruh im making all blue crater oil into power

[trim vine]

-throws more shards in them-

[lean ferry]

and then the west islands im probablly gonna do diamonds

[glossy spade]

i've got 1020 crude oil/m and hoping to powershard where I can to make it as over the top as possible so i can forget about power production for a while

[humble osprey]

I will never understand why they made fuel gens eat less fuel instead of making them produce more power

[lean ferry]

hmm

I can either have fun and make crystals on 2 normal coal nodes

[unkempt blade]

Artificial space monopoly + emotional manipulation of people through advertising. The same reason the cyber wagon is so expensive

[lean ferry]

or kill my sanity and make 4/m rods a min, sloop to get 100gw

[humble osprey]

Is there a mod that let's me use as many shards as I want? That would simplify a lot of pain for me

[stiff ibex]

a single oil field turned into fuel or turbo fuel can easily carry you through the game

[trim vine]

not that I know of

BPs take away a lot of the building pains

[astral knot]

ok so i can only go to one station with self-driving

[humble osprey]

Unless ur like me

[stiff ibex]

whats going on in your save lmao

[glossy spade]

without shards, with 1020 crude oil, i can make 2720 fuel,
but, someone old here told me i could use shards to make it into 2700 crude oil/7200 fuel

[humble osprey]

Fun.

[reef basin]

shards only increase your production capacity if you put them in miners

[wicked nacelle]

shards only change the number of buildings needed, they never increase raw material efficiency -- yeah except what greeny said

[trim vine]

Ok, so, and this is mostly me, I ONLY really shard extractors, get all the oil you can, and then just build more refineries

[lean ferry]

guys pls help im tryna make a plutonium fuel rod factory in satisfactory tools but it keeps saying couldnt calculate it cant seem to calculate the plutonium waste

do I have to add it as an input?

[stiff ibex]

you can do both without shards

that ratio is the exact same

[glossy spade]

Could you explain how please mate,
in fairly simple terms haha,
I'm learning but struggling a little to keep up

[stiff ibex]

no worries man im happy to help

[trim vine]

you gotta add your waste as an input

[stiff ibex]

go to dm i can send you screenshots and stuff there

[wicked nacelle]

satisfactory calculator will do this without having to jump through hoops but many people don't like it -- it's all I use, though. It knows that a nuclear generator is a production machine of a type

[trim vine]

I am a fan of the tools 😛

[lean ferry]

satisfactory bro

tell me why plutonium fuel rod so complicated what did I do wrong ficsit

it needs 10 different ores

[white dawn]

Endgame resource requires endgame-level complexity; film at eleven!

[trim vine]

and potentially multiple nodes from each ore type to meet waste demand

TIME FOR TRAINS!!!!!

[lean ferry]

oh yes my saviour trains

no fuel no nothing just power and big line

[trim vine]

[astral knot]

i got it working! Archangel Coalasolph takes her first batch of coal to my base!

[wicked nacelle]

train?

[lean ferry]

anyways thats a future project

time to go do my diamond crystals and my uranium fuel rod

[astral knot]

yep!

[wicked nacelle]

nice job 🙂 but now the bad news. Don't make a bunch of one-track rail lines between places. before you do much more with them, you gotta learn how to make a 2-rail highway system. That's where the real power of trains become apparent -- and there are quite a few more rules for how to do that, but they're worth it 🙂

[astral knot]

i probably wont rename Archangel Coalasolph if i ever need her to go to other places and bring more stuff

[lean ferry]

only 100 uranium waste can go in a stack tho

[dense turtle]

my maximum power usage is 5000 and im making 3000 lmao somehow still using 1500 anyway

[lean ferry]

so 400/m means every min 4 stacks are being filled, 48 stacks so 48/4 is 12 stacks so every 12 min industrial storage is filling up

[humble osprey]

Yeah I'm at ||quantum|| stuff rn and I'm rlly overwhelmed

[lean ferry]

so even 100 industrial storage containers can only contain 20 hours of waste

I need a better way to get rid of my waste pls help

[white dawn]

U waste doesn't stack to 500?

[astral knot]

im thinking of getting more freight cars and having one for each thing that i need to bring somewhere. right now coal is the most important because i need it for steel stuff

oh my god this docking is taking so long

[white dawn]

Wiki claims U.Waste stacks to 500

[lean ferry]

wait actually?

ok so 20*5 is 100 hours

[wicked nacelle]

did you put industrial containers on the inputs/outputs of your freight stations?

[lean ferry]

I just gotta hope I dont play 100 hours of satisfactory

[astral knot]

iiiiiii shouldve done that

[white dawn]

Even if you do, just plonk down another ISC grid blueprint and hook it up. :)

[astral knot]

rn one mk4 conveyor belt is providing my cargo

[white dawn]

Just have to remember to check your storage if you've been playing that long!

[lean ferry]

i forgot blueprints exist ❤️‍🩹

[wicked nacelle]

do that now. use industrial (large) one and hook both belts up to the freight station then usually just one on the other side and it will keep up input/output while the train is loading

you can flatten them up against the sides of the freight stations if you need to

[astral knot]

hopefully this "or" thing works and setting waiting time to 1 million seconds will make her only leave once she is full with coal

[wicked nacelle]

just say "full car" AND 1 second

click "or" to make it an and

[white dawn]

I've often thought it would be kind of neat to, like, set up a solitary drone/train/vehicle route or something which would send over a small amount of radioactive waste if your waste storage starts to approach its capacity

[lean ferry]

wait this is very good

I can actually half my uranium waste, half goes to unseen storage and the other half into plutonium stuff

[white dawn]

I don't think there's a great way to say "only make a delivery once something's in your input buffer," though. Like ideally you'd want such a thing to make one delivery and then stop.

[lean ferry]

that way only 300 waste a min rather than 400 (both plutonium and uranium)

how do I transport my waste though? idk if I could have trains because well.. train line across the map thats radioactive

I wana do drones but idk if its enough

[white dawn]

Eh, it'd only be radioactive in a small radius around your train. Trains are a pretty common method of moving waste about. That or drones, of course.

[wicked nacelle]

uranium waste may well reuqire more than a drone - -plutonium storage should be easily handled by a drone because of slow genreation and massive stack size

[white dawn]

And again, even if a single drone can't support your desired throughput, two probably could. :)

[lean ferry]

yea probably

[wicked nacelle]

best part is that you already have a VERY efficient fuel source for your drones right there 🙂

[lean ferry]

where should I make it?

[lean ferry]

how

[wicked nacelle]

nuclear fuel rods

[lean ferry]

radioactive drone?

i mean im making packaged rocket fuel soo

actually wait I might make all my waste into plutonium fuel rods

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think the drone is a source of radiation -- the drone station is, but tha's already irradiated

[lean ferry]

it only costs... 120 sulfur 480 nitrogen 360 limestone 520 water 100 bauxite 170 quartz 200 coal 144 caterium 273 copper 290 iron

[white dawn]

Although using Uranium rods for drone fuel is, IMO, not great. You'd have a semi-indeterminant amount of your URod production being consumed by drones, so you'd have to unavoidably at least sink some of it, which seems wasteful.

[astral knot]

oh my god it just finished docking

[humble osprey]

Do u guys unironiclaly use nuclear??

[lean ferry]

ykw

[white dawn]

Actually just had this convo in another channel, too, but IMO the only powered-by-rods scenario that really makes sense is if you're sinking Plutonium Rods instead of burning them. In that case, yeah, send those PuRods over to drones or vehicles wherever you like; it's an A+ fuel in that scenario

[lean ferry]

should I just make a small scale nuclear for fun

beacuse the WHOLE reason I want to use nuclear is for fun

[lean ferry]

im actually stupid can I not just do that

[white dawn]

I'm not sure who would ironically be building nuclear. But yes, I've yet to do a playthrough where I didn't build out nuclear power

[lean ferry]

but atp I might aswell use it- im making enough for 2/m, reactors use it 0.1/m so thats only 200/m plutonium waste for 50gw more

[ashen belfry]

I haven't tried nuclear yet

[lean ferry]

except 50gw isnt that much. so I might aswell just sink some plutonium fuel rods

[dense turtle]

will i ever need raw SAM or can i just turn it automatically to reanimated and store

[ashen belfry]

RF was enough for me

[white dawn]

Hm? I was just saying that IMO using Uranium Fuel Rods to power drones (or vehicles) doesn't make a lot of sense. If you're sinking Plutonium Rods (instead of burning them), though, those rods are A+ for fuel.

[humble osprey]

Just for the funz. Is nuclear really even that viable?

I feel it's too much work for barely any power

[white dawn]

You will never need raw SAM; Reanimated is where it's at. :)

[humble osprey]

Compared to rocket fuel

[lean ferry]

hear me out on this one- 4 plutonium fuel rod industrial storage, sink overflow and then just bring some of it to power drone

[white dawn]

Uh, yes. Nuclear power is the most easily-scalable power in the game. It's A+

[humble osprey]

U need it for early mam research iirc

[lean ferry]

boom infinite drone power you can make biggest drone power

[wicked nacelle]

viable? Yes, it's lots of power. and uranium has no other use. rocket fuel ingredients are valuable if you progress late into the game past the story

[white dawn]

I do admit that Rocket Fuel is also A+ (or A at the bottom end), and competes really well against Uranium power

[humble osprey]

Shhhhh. No spoilers

[white dawn]

Though IMO once you add in Plutonium, nuclear's got the edge

[tawdry plank]

yeah ok no my brain is too tired for trains ill just go to sleep lol

[ashen belfry]

Yeah. Only at the beginning.
After that turn that into reanimated.
And sink the excess. Nice source of points

[lean ferry]

the ONLY problem with all of this. uranium waste in alot of industrial storage is it will lag my game I have a rlly bad pc

[humble osprey]

How so? Doesn't adding plutonium in make the logistcs even more complex?

[white dawn]

And while I acknowledge this is 100% personal preference, I really don't like Fuel Gen Spam. I would rather building out nuclear than build out Big Rocket Fuel, any day

[lean ferry]

hes saying uranium fuel rod is good, when u add plutonium it makes it not viable

[white dawn]

Sure, but, y'know, I'm playing a factory building game to build factories. Why would I deprive myself of a complex factory?

[humble osprey]

Ohhhh so that's why people would choose nuclear

[lean ferry]

I can easily make 100gw with nuclear but its the bloody waste thats annoying me

[humble osprey]

Thats not what he said

[white dawn]

Also, more personal preference, I find the nuclear chain far more enjoyable to build out than Rocket Fuel.

[lean ferry]

oop mb

[humble osprey]

They should give rocket fuel a waste byproduct as well to Balance it

[white dawn]

I mean, I use Rocket Fuel too; it's quite good, of course. I actually finished project assembly on my 1.0 save with only Rocket Fuel, so it's not like I don't like the stuff. But Nuclear is also A+.

[lean ferry]

no nono devs pls dont listen to this person

but how will it make waste its literally just burning fuel

[humble osprey]

Like toxic fumes from the burners and you need proper ventilation to deal with that

[white dawn]

Heh, the devs aren't going to mess with production lines anymore; no need to fear that. :)

[lean ferry]

but didnt they say like they wont have greenery or like pollution in satisfactory? its a factory game afterall

[white dawn]

Rando comments on their Discord isn't gonna sow the seeds of factory discontent. :P

[lean ferry]

if toxic fumes would be there heck my world is on fire from the manufacturer spam

[wicked nacelle]

yes it's ironic that the cleanest form of power is the one that punishes you for its waste

[humble osprey]

No they said they won't have eco friendly energy. You're supposed to pollute the environment

[white dawn]

And biomass is the only power source which is technically finite!

[lean ferry]

yeah so why would they make it bad to polute enviroment

[humble osprey]

Okay that's also a point

[wicked nacelle]

it's not - cuz you get it from creatures that respawn... and doggos 🙂

[lean ferry]

if ur supposed to

[white dawn]

Heh, they don't! There's no pollution mechanic, unless you count radiation. :)

[white dawn]

Ah, yeah, I always forget about mob-driven biomass

[lean ferry]

ykw im just gonna sink plutonium fuel rods

[humble osprey]

Yeah, there's only a pollution aesthetic

[lean ferry]

cant be ask to deal with waste

free points

[humble osprey]

You can also try to eat them

[wicked nacelle]

someone suggested an interesting early game challenge -- no flora power 🙂

[white dawn]

So yeah, if you are gonna sink the Pu rods, then you've got an A+ drone/vehicle fuel sitting there. (So long as you don't mind irradiating the places where the rods go)

[astral knot]

dude im already imagining the possibilities with trains

[lean ferry]

wait. when u burn fuel rods in vehicles is there still waste?

[wicked nacelle]

even if you're going to burn them the cost of running a few drones off it is essentially zero. It's going to be a rod an hour probably?

[astral knot]

my coal place is near to the place where i build my electronic parts. i can just get another freight car to put them in

[wicked nacelle]

no

[lean ferry]

YEEEEEEAAAASSSS IVE BEEN SAVED

and bruh I cant oepn satisfactory rn cuz of steam update time

[white dawn]

Nope, zero waste! Though you do have the irradiated-droneport/truckstation problem, which in a way is giving you a similar problem to waste. :)

[lean ferry]

but will it unradiate after its being used?

I can also automate filters they arent that expensive and im gonna need them anways

[wicked nacelle]

it's a smaller zone than a bunch of containers of plutonium waste

[hard ivy]

radiation only exists around radioactive items

[gritty spire]

im running out of power. I have one more oil node left before i have to find more. is turbofuel better for power?

[white dawn]

Right, but since you probably can't supply the exact amount of fuel any given station/port needs, there's almost certainly gonna be an unavoidable slow buildup of material at those stations/ports. :)

[loud torrent]

hello

[lean ferry]

btw quick question yall how long does a plutonium fuel rod last in drone? like flying time

[hard ivy]

use diluted (packaged) fuel

[wicked nacelle]

fill the drone port fuel ports then sink the rest. no buildup beyond that

[white dawn]

Right, I'm just saying that if one of someone's concerns about waste is the irradiation of areas of the map, then using PuRods as vehicle/drone fuel will be similarly problematic.

Yes, I know. :)

[wicked nacelle]

turbo fuel generates a lot more power than regular fuel per unit. It does this by burning more slowly in the fuel generators so you can build more for the same pipe of source fuel. rocket fuel is again much better than turbo fuel

[loud torrent]

whats the best power source

[hard ivy]

rocket probably

[trim vine]

the one that doesnt break your mind while building it

[lean ferry]

how long does plutonium fuel rod last in a drone like t ime

[loud torrent]

what do u mean rocket

[white dawn]

"Best" is an entirely subjective question, as usual. Most folks would probably answer either Rocket Fuel or some combination of Uranium/Plutonium/Ficsonium

[trim vine]

forever

[hard ivy]

rocket fuel

[stuck oak]

wish i could sloop packagers for some real matter duplication

[wicked nacelle]

if you're just around to beat the story then any fuel will get you there.

[lean ferry]

huh whah

[loud torrent]

no in satis factory

[wicked nacelle]

other than getting a bunch of free oil it's not really as broken as people would make you believe since you're rate limited by the machine at 250%

[gritty spire]

so what would be the best to use. i need to make more power before i expand anything else

[lean ferry]

why doesnt wiki have the time for droneeeee it has it for every other vehicle

[wicked nacelle]

I think that's the only reason they don't allow it is for making oil stay somewhat scarce

[hard ivy]

yeah, I did math on this before release and it'd only be worth it for nitrogen and maybe LBF for the jetpack

[wicked nacelle]

diluted fuel into turbo fuel is a great start - but you have to unlock those

[white dawn]

Drone fuel usage is more complicated than with vehicles, since it consumes a set amount of fuel to get the route started, and then additional fuel based on how long the route is. So there's not really an exact number you can give; it depends on the route

[wicked nacelle]

If they made the packager a 2 or 4-sloop machine, I don't think that would really break the game at all. By convention it would be a 2 sloop machine since it has 2 inputs

[lean ferry]

.. im a bot

plutonium fuel rod only makes 1/m waste not 10/m

[hard ivy]

I'd advise against making turbofuel unless you specifically need the extra oil efficiency. because if you don't need that, i's a very meh fuel

[loud torrent]

who has nuclear energy in there factory

[trim vine]

Well, you can package and unpackage, so you can generate infinite things

[lean ferry]

meaning like 100 industrial containers can leave me without needing to empty for like 1000 hours

[wicked nacelle]

but it goes into rocket fuel, so why not benefit from it now instead of just later?

[lean ferry]

but then again no point 50gw for like best vehicle fuel ingame

[white dawn]

The best thing to do to know how much fuel a route will take is to set up the route, let it run a couple of circuits, and then use the reported round-trip-time and fuel-per-trip to do the math. (Alternatively, SCIM will do the math properly for you.) The reading of fuel-per-min on the Drone Port is, unfortunately, a bit bugged and won't be totally accurate

[wicked nacelle]

You generate infinite things anyhow. The increased rate of generation is not that significant because you're limited by the amount each machine can do per second

[white dawn]

Anyway, the "best" fuel/energysource/whatever is the one that most fits your needs at the moment

[trim vine]

no, you can generate infinite items from finite resources, a slooped packager can generate infinite items from more items

[loud torrent]

does plutonium last longer than uranium

[trim vine]

yes

[loud torrent]

ok

ill do that

thx

[trim vine]

you gotta make uranium fuel rods to make plutonium fuel rods

[wicked nacelle]

You’re missing the point. You can already generate an infinite amount of anything. All that matters is rate of creation. Slooped packagers don’t drastically change that. Do the math. How much oil/m can you get without slooped packagers? Now imagine they could be slooped -- how much per minute can you get? It's not infinite / m

[loud torrent]

i know

[atomic notch]

You could hook two togeth in a loop and get free oil

[wicked nacelle]

You get free oil from the ground already

[loud torrent]

do u know how long it last

[lean ferry]

man i went outside, came back at 10:30 and got caught offtrack speaking about factory for about an hour instead of actually making it

[wicked nacelle]

the question is HOW MUCH oil do you get per minute? The answer with slooped packagers is not "infinite oil per minute"

[lean ferry]

cant sloop packager

[wicked nacelle]

but if you could -- that's the conversation

[atomic notch]

Yeah but its at a certain rate if you could double every time it get exponentially more per minute

[lean ferry]

oh mb I didnt see before

[wicked nacelle]

only with exponentially more sloops. which you don't have.

[trim vine]

No, again

Nodes/wells are resources, and are finite

Packagers take an item, double it, go into another packager, double again, and so on and so forth, it would be an infinite loop of items GENERATING items versus resources generating items

[loud torrent]

how long does plutonium last in the nuclear reactor

[atomic notch]

Its 2 machines tho

[wicked nacelle]

you don't have infinite number of sloops.

[astral knot]

Wires and cables are quite the annoyance to produce

[lean ferry]

I think 10/m or so

[loud torrent]

sorry power plant

[trim vine]

Can you build nuclear reactors yet?

[wicked nacelle]

it's a finite rate of production even if slooped packagers existed

[trim vine]

I agree, but you still can generate raw items from items, versus items from resoucres

[loud torrent]

yeah

[trim vine]

then build one, and check the burn rate

[loud torrent]

ok

[boreal agate]

I love this game

[lean ferry]

wait..... so yall r telling me plutonium fuel rod can last around like 4/5 hours in drones - i make 2/m i can power like 600/700 drones

[white dawn]

Ingame, you can build an NPP and click on the orange icon next to the input buffer, and it'll tell you the rate of consumption for all fuels it supports. Outside of the game, the wiki, as usual, is your friend. (Though I believe it's 0.1/min)

[trim vine]

I love you

[astral knot]

The only reason my eletronics base is ok is because they take so long to produce it jist about gets enough cables to refill

[loud torrent]

but i need to make plutonium fuel rods first

[vale peak]

are there any current bugs with multiplayer where a player gets kicked randomly making them unable to rejoin?

[loud torrent]

idk

[lean ferry]

at the cost of having my whole wordl radiated BUT WAIT.... how long does radiaton reach? will it be outside of my drone port? i dont mind only the port being radiated but if my whole factory is radiated I would not like that

[boreal agate]

Had this issue with a steam client update since I left my client open for weeks

[loud torrent]

how many hours do u have on satisfactory

[placid stirrup]

69,420

[loud torrent]

no u dont

[unkempt blade]

Depends how much radioactive stuff you have in one place. The radius can get pretty large if you have a lot

[placid stirrup]

You can't disprove it

[white dawn]

It wouldn't be terrible. The main "problem" is just the distribution of the rods, since it's such a slow item. If you're splitting those rods between like six sites, and they're only accumulating at 2/min, it's gonna take ages to actually get a single rod into that 700th drone, etc.

[loud torrent]

i guess not

[vale peak]

you'd have to stop playing satisfactory and lets be honest no one can do that

[loud torrent]

but can u prove it

[wicked nacelle]

it's based on the amount of items. 1 stack of plutonium rods shouldn't be very large. And it only irradiates the drone port area with the fuel, not the other side. And any number of drones can refuel from one irradiated fuel port

[autumn willow]

How many Heavy Modular Frames should I automate per minute, was thinking around 5.

[white dawn]

Once a drone gets a rod, it's gonna stay in the air practically forever, but you've gotta solve the distribution question on such a slow-producing item

[lean ferry]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kill my sanity with load balancer

[vale peak]

do 10 its a lot more annoying

[white dawn]

Supplying drone fuel for any other fuel type is trivial since you can just set up a depot and have remote sites fetch fuel from it. But with plutonium rods that's just not gonna be viable (unless you're willing to wait a long time for those buffers to fill up).

[wicked nacelle]

however many you make evntually you'll need a lot more.

[white dawn]

Though I suppose PuRods only stack to 50, so perhaps that's not actually the worst

[lean ferry]

can you make like a route for drone? like factory a to pitstop to factory b to factory a to pitstop

and etc etc

[white dawn]

A single drone can only ever go from its home port to a single remote port, and then back

[wicked nacelle]

I wouldn't recommend powering drones that don't have one of their trips be to your nuclear refinery

[loud torrent]

what is the best power source biomass , coal , fuel , geothermal , nuclear , alien power

[wicked nacelle]

but any that are already going there? why not?

[white dawn]

You've asked this a few times now, and already gotten various answers. As always: it depends

[unkempt blade]

biofuel for sure

[white dawn]

(Also, "alien power?" I assume you mean nuclear there.)

[lean ferry]

then im gonna do ion nizers idea (he recommended) im gonna ship the rods to like a remote area (where its needed most, lets say my big factory) and use it from there

[loud torrent]

no

[lean ferry]

I can just load balance? flip I need to get modular load balancer

[white dawn]

~~But yes, biofuel for sure. ~~

[lean ferry]

its gonna save me SO MANY HOURS (can I modd already existing world and will it remove my achievements? if so im getting modular load bqalancer)

[loud torrent]

i mean the last power option i forgot the name of

[wicked nacelle]

alien power thingy that costs 10 sloops

[atomic notch]

Augmentors still need an existing power production

Its just a boost

[loud torrent]

oh

[wicked nacelle]

no

[loud torrent]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

no they don't they make power too

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alien

[hard ivy]

500 MW + 10% (30% if matrixed)

[lean ferry]

anyways. back to my diamond crystal factory

[loud torrent]

im gonna upgrade my nuclear energy

[wicked nacelle]

I have a creative world entirely powered by power augmenters -- they stack. 10 gets you 10GW. Since each multiplies all 500 of all the others so each one gives you more than the last

[unkempt blade]

Fuel sources in order of bestness:

• solid biofuel
• liquid biofuel
• geothermal
• fuel
• alien parts
• mycelia
• rocket fuel
• plutonium rods
• turbo fuel
• petroleum coke
• uranium rods
• ionized fuel
• biomass
• wood
• leaves
• ficsonium rods
• coal
• compacted coal

did I miss anything? 😆

[hard ivy]

best to worst?

[unkempt blade]

and bestness is purely my subjective opinion which is equivalent to the unerring word of god so be careful you blasphemers

[hard ivy]

matrixed and unmatrixed augmneters

[stone bridge]

my item elevator is bad for raising my minerals I'm sad

[white dawn]

I always just rank power sources alphabetically. Simplifies the decisionmaking process!

[stone bridge]

I have four furnaces, but I can't transport them to all of them

[unkempt blade]

smart! that would have saved me a lot of typing

[dense turtle]

so now i set all stations i want my train to stay at and now i can just let it run?

[loud torrent]

who doesnt like the mark 6 cnveybelt

conveybelt

[little sonnet]

Wait so coals still good late game or

[unkempt blade]

it's the 3rd or 4th best conveyor belt in terms of bestness if you ask me

[dense bone]

coming across 4 nuclear hogs protecting one hard drive is insane

[loud torrent]

no i mean it looks bad

[unkempt blade]

yeah that factors into bestness

[naive pendant]

Aesthetics are unarguable, so yes.

[dense turtle]

wait uh

[unkempt blade]

I mean it still turns into power but it's always an ugly uncolorful rock so that's why it's the second-least best

[dense turtle]

my train didnt stop to load stuff

verdict?

[wicked nacelle]

is the station set to load?

[little sonnet]

Oh are you not taking about what's most efficient and easy to manufacture

[unkempt blade]

that factors in too - that's why compact coal is worse than coal

both are boring rocks but compact coal takes more effort to reach that state

[dense turtle]

yeah i think it wasnt and also i the train took the wrong turn what happened

[unkempt blade]

solid biofuel on the other hand I get to use a chainsaw AND it looks like tootsie rolls which are delicious chocolate wax - what's not to like?

[dense turtle]

yeah its set to load

i think it didnt dock

now i did it manually

[south sinew]

I use nobelisks to clear foliage

[dense turtle]

oh i messed up badly

with the placement of my stations

[wicked nacelle]

That’ll do it.

[dense turtle]

i mean look

#screenshots all my stations look like this so it can only load the first cart right

[wicked nacelle]

There are explicit "do nothing" station spots if you just need to adjust what goes where

[dense turtle]

my train doesnt stop at all

[wicked nacelle]

Yes, you may want <SEF (E=empty platform -- that's an actual building name) if you just want to load the second freight car

[dense turtle]

wait

[wicked nacelle]

you can also get crazy and do <S<SF if you want the train to be able to choose if it wants the first car or the second car filled (useful when running a bunch of trains that may want to put the same resource in different places)

if it docks to the end station, it goes in car 2 if it docks at the middle station it goes onto car 1

I have a bunch of things that are like <S<S<S<S(Rubber Freight)(Plastic Freight) then another that's <S<S<S<S(plastic freight)(rubber freight)

similar for aluminum ingot and casings

and then you can use the per-train-per-stop settings if you only want, for example, casings. You tell it "only load: casings"

[dense turtle]

my train station just got called kyiv

im not in ukraine bro

[wicked nacelle]

there are a small set of names that they are given then they just become "station 123" or whatever

[dense turtle]

yeah now i need to mess with these empty platforms at every stop

but that doesnt change the fact that the train doesnt stop

the switch is supposed to be on right?

[wicked nacelle]

then your schedule is wrong

autodrive will set the switches for you

[lean ferry]

how many diamonds can go in a stack guys'

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch diamond

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=diamond

[astral knot]

My plan is to being all the needed eletronic parts from one of my bases to the manufacturers im gonna set up at the space elevator

[wicked nacelle]

there is a bug where the switch arrow sign thingy disappears and trains to stupid stuff like driving around in circles -- just remake the switched track

[lean ferry]

thanks

my power circuit after 10 converters and 2 particle accelerator looks like its having a seizure

[dense turtle]

okay so first it goes to robert jetpack fuel, then david motor

[wicked nacelle]

if you open up the train menu does it say it's going to the place where it didn't stop?

[astral knot]

Is there a way to make docking faster

[wicked nacelle]

no, but it doesn't matter -- just make sure you have industrial containers and you're good -- you're not losing any throughput

[astral knot]

Oh ok

[lean ferry]

bruh that means its gonna take ages to buffer im only making 60 diamonds a min converters will take ages to buffer

wait... 60div 12 is 5 not 6

bruh im slow

[wicked nacelle]

I recommend going and finding somewhere with 2-3 pure coal and some quartz or turbofuel nearby and making a LOT more than that and just droning it back somewhere.

[astral knot]

My next goal: improve plastic and rubber production and use Archangel Coalasolph to transport that to the electronics base

[dense turtle]

so do i need to set something in the settings of each station?

[wicked nacelle]

no. just make sure it's in the schedule for the train

[lean ferry]

except hard drive hunting takes ages- u want me to do pink diamonds right?

[wicked nacelle]

it will tell you where it wants to go next and (usually) will error if it can't get there

[white dawn]

Alternatively: diamonds are easy, and the alt recipes are basically all great. I wouldn't recommend overproducing diamonds; just make 'em where they're needed, based on local resource availability

And that way you get to make use of various alts for it, which is always fun. :)

[wicked nacelle]

pink and turbo diamonds are MUUUUCH more coal-efficient recipes. cloudy is okay but it eats so much limestone that it's almost not worth doing

[lean ferry]

im gonna do default for now becase im not gonna hard dirve hunt and wait

[wicked nacelle]

it is VERY easy to need many many many more diamonds than you can make anywhere

[lean ferry]

I alr did anyways so

[white dawn]

I was glad I found a niche for Turbo Diamonds on my 1.0 save, though I think it was the last Diamond factory I set up

[wicked nacelle]

also I recommend just turning them into time crystals before shipping them.

no reason to ship diamonds

[dense turtle]

i will try again

[lean ferry]

YIPEEEEEEEE 4 normal coal nodes, and 2 pure quartz nodes 700 meteres north of me

[wicked nacelle]

also means you don't have to have a ton of time crystal converters in one place

[lean ferry]

good bye to my old coal setup you carried earlygame thanks 🙂

[astral knot]

Basically my plan is: start at coal place to gather coal and electronics, go to main base, load in black powder. Go to oil place, unload black powder and get plastic (maybe rubber too??). Go back to main base and unload rubber if i need it soon maybe idk and go back to coal place

[lean ferry]

i need to do nuclear tho. tommorow morning im going to start cracking on nuclear factory, 100gw and then with uranium waste ill make it into plutonium rods, store for vehicles and sink excess

[white dawn]

As always, depends on scale; IMO it's also quite easy to just make whatever you need in smaller batches, and then make more when required. :)

[astral knot]

Methinks 3 freight cars will be needed for this

[wicked nacelle]

for your train? If you're doing this with a train don't ship black powder, ship coal and sulfur -- you'll want those at your oil base to make turbo fuel, so just do it now 🙂

[white dawn]

Though, yes, this does boil down slightly to build strategy. I know you're fond of overbuilding everything, whereas I always build to suit my immediate needs

[lean ferry]

should I take down my old coal setup now to make more diamonds or later

[wicked nacelle]

then you can trivially make as much black powder as you want at your destination but you also have sulfur and coal available for other things

[astral knot]

Guess the train will have to take a short trip to the secret sulfur base

[white dawn]

Though on my save it meant I was able to use I think five of the six diamond recipes, which was fun, so I'll give that strategy a "win" based on that alone. :)

[dense turtle]

@wicked nacelle it didnt stop because it was in the wrong order first station then unloading

[astral knot]

Wait, both my main base and the oil place will need coal oh no

[wicked nacelle]

that makes sense 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

that's fine. 1 train can supply both as long as you're mining enough and your belts can support it

1 will starve while the other fills up (just like any other manifold) but it will reach equilibrium eventually

[astral knot]

Oh yeahbim literally just getting overflowing coal thats supposed to go in coal generators

Because i have pure coal nodes

[lean ferry]

btw- can I have one drone bringing cooling systems, fused frames, turbo motors and super computers back to my base? not for factory use, just to have them stored near my base but idk if it will work

[wicked nacelle]

only if you're either willing to sink excess or have it sushi'd out perfectly. best to just have a drone for each for simplicity, IMO

[lean ferry]

but then expensiv

[wicked nacelle]

but a drone only goes from its home port to exactly 1 other port and then immediately back to its home port. so you'd have to have them all at one drone port

[lean ferry]

yeah they are really close to eachother

[astral knot]

Oh my god. Im gonna need to re-pipe everything when i get whatever turbo fuel is

[lean ferry]

they are all in blue crater and they are 100m away

the furthest is 150m away from the other furthest factory

like literally they are next to eachother

[wicked nacelle]

also, drones only fly when they are empty after an unload, so it's not expensive for fuel. It's just the drone port power costs

[astral knot]

Chainsaws should be allowed to run on fuel idk why its just biofuel

[white dawn]

Since drones only have an internal buffer of 9 stacks, you'd need to make sure that all of those will "fit" into the drone, based on its round-trip time. Though all of those items are pretty low-production-rate, so I expect you'll be fine

[wicked nacelle]

rocket fuel chainsaw!@!!!!@!@!@

[white dawn]

Doing sushi delivery with any "bulk" method (vehicles/trains/drones) is entirely possible so long as you're mindful of the throughput limits of the method you've chosen

[astral knot]

Also technically biofuel is renewable because you can get it from awesome shop

[white dawn]

Needs to be processed properly at the receiving side, of course, but again, with low-production-rate items like that, you're unlikely to run into problems even if you don't buffer much (or at all)

[astral knot]

Which is awesome

[wicked nacelle]

and creatures

[astral knot]

Unforch, creatures cant come out of the refinery for free and go on belts

[white dawn]

My 1.0 save used bulk sushi delivery quite extensively to my Central Storage area. Admittedly most of those were from vehicles + trains; by the time I got drones going, my individual factory sites were pretty unlikely to have more than one type of item being produced

Though I did have at least a couple sushi drone deliveries as well

[astral knot]

Dude i need a regular source of nobelisks so i can finally open those damn rocks

[white dawn]

The main thing with processing inbound sushi (bulk-delivery or no) is to ensure that everything overflows as-appropriate (generally into a sink, at the end)

[white dawn]

Automate them things!

[wicked nacelle]

and get them into DD

[astral knot]

Yeah that my issue rn. Sulfur, coal, and my oil refineries are kilometers apart

[wicked nacelle]

nobe doesn't need oil though

[white dawn]

There's a few places on the map where you can get those things all in the same place; might be worth some exploration to find 'em. :D

[lean ferry]

quantumn encoder look veri cool

[astral knot]

Whoops wrong producy

I was thinking of smokeless powder

[wicked nacelle]

sufur coal steel, right? so iron and coal - with base recipes. with iron pipe just iron

[astral knot]

I got steel covered

My 3 iron miners are carrying my whole iron and steel production

[white dawn]

Remember you can always just have a nobelisk factory out on its own somewhere! No need to use existing stuff

The game will be frequently encouraging you to expand; this is one opportunity where it might make sense to do so. :)

[astral knot]

I turned on keep inventory so i can just kill myself to warp to my base

[wicked nacelle]

for ammo stuff that will back up quickly taking some off another line makes the most sense because otherwise you're dedicating raw material rates for something that will usually be at 0

There's a "respawn" button in the menu

[astral knot]

Why am i even getting rifles. I can just push enemies off with boomboxes

[astral knot]

Yeah i use that

[white dawn]

Taking material from existing lines only works if you've purposefully "overbuilt" your lines, of course, or don't mind if taking one thing out of storage means that another process could slow down

[astral knot]

Im noticing that lots of my refineries are always at 50 oil

I guess im gonna make more?

Im starting to notice numbers oh my god

[rugged remnant]

Why does StarRupture look like a copy of Satisfactory 😭🤣 looking at gameplay rn

[wicked nacelle]

there are lots of factory games - the fundamentals are always going to be the same -- and it's not like they just took all the assets and made the same game. it's clearly distinct

[eternal geyser]

frick. i need to redo my factory because its too spaghetti to continue but i dont have the motivation to do it

[rugged remnant]

Nahhh they using Orange for their mission boxes and everything

[wicked nacelle]

don't tear down factories, just build another one somewhere else and use the output of the one you have to do it -- have it just sit there and make smart plates if nothing else. Future you will appreciate present you for the present.

[main topaz]

Orange is a common high visibility color and often associated with factories and construction. I think the real concern would be is if the buildings look the same.

[atomic notch]

Idk man it looks nothin like satisfactory to me

[dense turtle]

does the train only stop when the loading dock is full?

[rugged remnant]

No way y’all are defending it lmao. It has so many similarities it’s practically the same game re-skinned

[wicked nacelle]

I'm not really interested.

[main topaz]

It barely looks the same. It has the same atheistic design to its buildings but none of them are actual copies. Plus, the game looks like its more focused on exploring and combat.

[timid tangle]

quick question do smart splitters kill the need for load balancers or no

[main topaz]

No, but manifolds do. 😉

[atomic notch]

It looks like it has a lot of inspirations and the gameplay is totally different.

Should talk in #off-topic-general anyway

[timid tangle]

Yeah i was just hoping i could achieve the effect of load balancers with the form factor of a manifold 🙁

[twilit escarp]

How do you guys take care of your doggos? do you leave them in the wild? Do you make small houses where you find them? Do you bring them to your hub/ Doggo shelter?

[wicked nacelle]

smart splitters don't control rate just direction

[atomic notch]

If you do smart splitters on a manifolds and have the input be overflow with slower belts it might work but thats a lot of effort for something that would balance anyway

[wicked nacelle]

yes, you can change the order things fill in a manifold. default is logarithmic (??) - smart splitter can do front to back or back to front. in the end it either fills or it doesn't though.

[atomic notch]

Like a full 780 belt then all the outputs are like mk1-2

Could even use prio mergers for an injection manifold

[dense turtle]

so now it didnt stop at my station and just went through it and now its coming back to that station skipping every other station @wicked nacelle

[wicked nacelle]

what have you done? does it have to go through some loop to hit the station the right direction? remember the train has to approach the station going forward in the direction of the station's direction

[dense turtle]

it skipped it and its going back the same way it got there

[wicked nacelle]

so I've had a bug where a train will infinitely go in a circle (when the game loses a switch position even though the track splits) and never dock but if it's making progress ever then you've set something up terribly wrong

[dense turtle]

is it because its not full? the station

[twilit escarp]

And if you bring them all to the same location, how do you transport them?

[wicked nacelle]

no, it always follows the order in the timetable

[astral knot]

Im scared of all the more complicated stuff regarding trains

xaxxon what did u mean by a two way highway earlier

[atomic notch]

U can do simple trains that just go back an forth between two sations.

Nothing too hard you just gotta add the stations on the timetable to get it goin

[wicked nacelle]

you make 2 one-way rails that go by all your factories then you make "off ramps" and "on ramps" to that rail that have your stations. Any train can go from any station to any other station. Every train shares the same rail at the same time

just like a car highway

[dense turtle]

i cant even dock there manually

[wicked nacelle]

sounds like the station is backwards? The curved end of the top of the station is forward

[dense turtle]

#screenshots

[viral egret]

ok im NOT standing my ass up till i get this coal unlocked, i'm TIRED of fuse blowouts

[wicked nacelle]

yep, it's backwards

look at the roof of the station. one side is flat one side is curved. you have the curved side facing the freight platform

[dense turtle]

the curved end isnt forward tho

[atomic notch]

Yeah

It goes forward

[wicked nacelle]

train has to approach the station with the train forward matching the station forward

[dense turtle]

okay

[steel quiver]

Does someone actually have a functional phase 4 base that automates everything using trains and drones and can just be left on autopilot? I haven't seen that and I'm trying to build it. I'm not alone, right?

[wicked nacelle]

sure. - I mean it's not phase 4 but it builds everything that you would then

[trim vine]

I do!

[atomic notch]

Not using drones but yeah

Gotta wrangle some belts to get ads automated

[steel quiver]

I may have rushed too much and am starting over within the same game by building after exploring. It seems like I should just relax and expect this to take... months...

[atomic notch]

I been in this world since new years haha

[trim vine]

697 hours to beat my latest save, but fully automated everything 😛

[steel quiver]

The map is larger than I expected

[steel quiver]

Ok, this is what I want to hear, thank you.

[viral egret]

splitbros, i might have to start doing manifolds, this is so sad 😭

i thought i could go an entire run without manifolds

big mistake 😭

[wicked nacelle]

tearing down huge aluminum factory... I just spin the mouse until the counter gets to 50, deconstruct, repeat

[dense turtle]

i think everything might be working now

[steel quiver]

lol yeah

[dense turtle]

might

[rocky oracle]

can those little baloons in the red forest die to nukes

[trim vine]

Mind you, I did some stupidly big mega factories, but it does take time, and some planning, if you wanna go the full automation route

[dense turtle]

john motor good john kwartz good, adam rubber good, if stephan steel is good im officially done

oh no

[twilit escarp]

love it, being ignored...

[dense turtle]

it took items from stephen steel but its going back to stephen steel instead of going to sam glorboglaglabab

[placid stirrup]

@dense turtle I want whatever you're on

[dense turtle]

nvm it stopped at sam glorbo

[trim vine]

They're lizzard dogos, do what you will with them

[dense turtle]

everything works 😭

now i need to somehow get second train going without colision

[twilit escarp]

but their drops are insane

[wicked nacelle]

I wish pumps would deafult to pumping up when you put them on a pipe. Chances that you want it to pump down is basically zero - no need to make it impossible, just scroll the wheel. but default should be an upward angle if there is one

[trim vine]

I didnt say they werent, just do what you will with them

[twilit escarp]

but how you take care of them?

just leave them in the wild, or make a sanctuary for them?

[trim vine]

you dont, shove em in a cage and check their inventories every so often

like I said, do what you will with them

[viral egret]

#screenshots message dont lie, most of yall did this shi

[main topaz]

I have never interacted with a lizard doggo.

[twilit escarp]

where? all over the map? like where you found them?

[dense turtle]

@twilit escarp im sorry but no one is as enthusiastic about lizzard doggos as you

[gritty spire]

if i had only one train set up. could i send it back and forth instead of through a loop?

[trim vine]

ok, I feel like you might not be getting this.

• Lizard Doggos have good drops
• You want these drops
• Ergo you want Lizard Doggos
• You (I assume) dont want to travel a thousand miles to check lizard doggoes inventories
• So you should consolidate them
• So you should prolly build a "central enclosure" for them
• Do. What. You. Will. With. Them.

[main topaz]

Yes, but you'll need engines on the front and back.

[trim vine]

Yes, dont recommend this though, setting up a "proper" rail, even if its only one train with 2 stops, is a good idea to get the fundamentals down for trains

[gritty spire]

so i should make a loop?

[twilit escarp]

BUT my issue is, how to transport them? they follow you so slow...

the time i take to bring them to one spot i could be making anew factory

[trim vine]

you should make a 2 lane "highway" for the rails between 2 train yards

[trim vine]

thats the price of the lizard doggo farm

now go do what you will

[twilit escarp]

another thing: where should i make it?

close to the central storage?

[trim vine]

That way you can add more trains/rails to that simple track to expand as needed

[trim vine]

No, they will die

You have to build in the bamboo forest

[twilit escarp]

HELL NO

NOT GOING IN THERE YOU CRAZY SON OF A B*TCH

[trim vine]

Lizard Dogoos die over time if they arent in the proper biome

You must go to the bamboo forest

[dense turtle]

so another thing, i think 1 sushi wont be enough because the train got back before everytinhg unloaded correctly

[twilit escarp]

Ig will send them to space

that is a properly big biome

[gritty spire]

can i make one train use both ways? I really only need to bring resources to my factory, not send them away

[trim vine]

You can, but it will cause problems later, and even just doing it that way.

Building a simple 2 lane rail is easy and not at all more difficult than doing a single track push pull train

[twilit escarp]

Doing that will mean only that one train can use that rail

[stiff ibex]

if you plan to play post end game you probably will need to send them away

[trim vine]

I can help with the "getting started" for the trains, if you would like

[stiff ibex]

if you just want to beat the game a push and pull system is fine

[dense turtle]

wait it actually finished unloading perfectly

[gritty spire]

okay, its a lot of resources and time so i was seeing the easiest way, thanks tho

[stiff ibex]

its also not hard to retrofit a push and pull system into a dual rail if you want to upgrade later

[trim vine]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1370565264780955718

Well, then I leave you with this

[gritty spire]

my brain just blew up, i had to close that out fast, thanks man

[trim vine]

Well then, if you would ever like to pop into a call and stream, the simplified version is mad easy, but give it a go, do a two lane, ez pz

[stiff ibex]

do trains collide if theyre not part of the same rail system? never tested it

[ruby mountain]

if they get too close yeah

[stiff ibex]

like C
A---------------B
D

will CD train collide with AB?

[ruby mountain]

if they cross paths yes

[stiff ibex]

ah interesting

[gritty spire]

ill keep that noted. ill mess around with it for now. currently building the infrastructure to support rails rn

[trim vine]

do you have a BP designer, any mk will do

[gritty spire]

yeah

[trim vine]

set up a simple BP

3 foundations wide

1 foundation up on the outer blocks (center empty)

On both of the raised foundations, put down a frame floor on both the front and black

Put down a rail (super short) that goes from the frame floor to the center of the anchor foundation

This allows you to place down a lot of track quickly, that can link to each other, and saves you a LOT of time

[stiff ibex]

does anyone know what the current power record is? the highest im aware of is 11 TW

and the guy that has that isnt aware of any higher

[gritty spire]

ive never used blueprints honestly. i dont quite understand yours. my brain is powdered matter at this point sorry lol. but ill mess around w them

[trim vine]

Recommend dabbling a bit, the time saved compared to what it takes to learn is immense

[wicked nacelle]

I hate conveyor poles 🙁 I wish the game would remember auto-placed conveyor poles and auto-delete them when there's no belt attached to them anymore

[gritty spire]

by frame you mean the ones in the awesome shop

[trim vine]

oui, but if you dont have that, a regular 1m foundation works the same

[trim vine]

the other foundations mentioned before presume 4m btw

[gritty spire]

oh so basically a canal shaped structure

thats whats in my head

[trim vine]

I send a picture here in just a moment

[cosmic laurel]

how can i get a pipeline floor hole to line up with pipe ive place below

[trim vine]

place the hole where it lines up with the pipe

Then line up the other pipe with said hole

[cosmic laurel]

it wont line up is the issue

[trim vine]

send a pic in #screenshots

[cosmic laurel]

posted, the arrows are pointing to the 2 junctions that i want to bring up to the floor above

[livid kernel]

I find it way easier to place the holes first, then line the pipe up to the holes. Something I've done in the past is note where the pipe/merger/etc is on the foundation, then look directly above it and paint the foundation. Go back to the top and place the hole in the same spot you noted earlier.

[trim vine]

So again, place the holes on the floor, roughly in line abovr where the junction is, then line up the junction with the floor holes

[viral egret]

do you guys ever have a storage of intermediary resources? like, idk, rotors and stuff?

[livid kernel]

boxes are so cheap, I throw one in every line. Even if I don't think I'll ever need them

[viral egret]

how do you manage it? do you split off somewhere in the production line or do you like make a separate thing for it

[livid kernel]

and rotors are a building item, you need those. Stators on the other hand, probably don't really need one

[viral egret]

so what do i do to get rotors for building? should i create a separate factory for those? should i just split it off what i have now? if so how much? 50%? 10%? 🤷‍♂️

[livid kernel]

really depends on how many you're making. If you have smart splitters unlocked, after you merge all the assemblers making rotors onto 1 belt, put a smart splitter on that belt and set the box as overflow, then if you are making more than your further production line needs all the excess will go into the box

[viral egret]

smart splitters? is that in the mam?

[livid kernel]

yes

under Caterium

[viral egret]

#screenshots message hm...

[livid kernel]

I can't tell you a %, if you are only making 5 rotors/m, you need all 5 for a motor assembler

[livid kernel]

yeah, that one lol

[wicked nacelle]

yesterday someone asked if there was a dismantle filter of "everything except foundations" Now I understand why

[viral egret]

lmao still with the alum factory?

[livid kernel]

a multi select filter would be amazing ngl

[wicked nacelle]

ooh yes. it's a 10k/m buaxite factory and it grew organically so it's all over the place. every 3m I have to go make sure the new one still has power

[main topaz]

I have a smart splitter at the end of each product that sends overflow to a dimensional depot and that is normally enough for my construction needs.

[wicked nacelle]

new one just fully processes ~2500 bauxite per floor and spits out ingots and casings

[livid kernel]

honestly, I have 2 smart splitters on almost every line, 1 overflowing to the storage, then 1 overflowing right before the storage onto my sink sushi belt

[wicked nacelle]

playing at 2x speed helps tear down a lot because it halves the time you have to hold down the mouse button to dismantle

[livid kernel]

there's a speed option in this game?!? WHERE? And how have I not known this?!?

[wicked nacelle]

no, third party tool - not even a mod, a full on third party code injector. it's not hard to use if you want to know how but it's not trivial, either

[livid kernel]

So much time wasted idle lol

okay, I feel better now lmao

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1399914941250535486/image.png?ex=688abbe3&is=68896a63&hm=5936464f50d289a6a66b4716b181c8826fc7e819d9bdf4ad926b11578d81b287& --you just pick the program then click "enable speedhack" and set the speed

[livid kernel]

appreciate it, but I play every games first playthrough 100% vanilla. I like to see how the devs intended before I start messing with shit

[wicked nacelle]

for sure 🙂 for me it's great for finding infrequent bad interactions between trains instead of just letting it run overnight.

[main topaz]

You can also use the Satisfactory Calculator to delete an entire base if you find selecting and deleting everything too tedious.

[livid kernel]

I haven't even started messing with trains. I have them unlocked but my tractor routes have been working fine and haven't gone further out yet, so haven't felt the need. My next factory will probably be my first train line

[wicked nacelle]

the new one is very close and shares some infrastructure....but yes, I thought about that. also I'm basically done with my game except for refactoring stuff so ... it's not like I'd be doing something else

[acoustic heart]

Well.. I just finished phase 4. Took me about 75-80 hours. Think imma take a break for a bit lol

[viral egret]

i kinda wanna get to trains because belts look ugly as sin and are not pretty to organize

[livid kernel]

that being said, I am belting compacted coal like 3 km to a main factory area, then trucking 2 km from there to my oil factory for turbofuel. Could probably use one there instead lol

[acoustic heart]

I like trains just because they’re cool. I have conveyor bus blueprints and have used them over long distances before though

[viral egret]

how many coal generators should i start with? 10? less?

[wicked nacelle]

I find that 16 comfortably gets me to oil power

[viral egret]

16 it is

[livid kernel]

I made it all the way to fuel power with only 8, but other people swear by 16 or 32 gen plants

[wicked nacelle]

but you get better belts and stuff than what you have when you first unlock coal so 16 becomes easier as you play and before you get oil

[gritty spire]

can i move something without breaking it? I need to move my power tower but i dont want to shut down a factory

[violet pecan]

Just replaced Turbofuel with Rocket fuel

[wicked nacelle]

my goal is to keep my power production 50% over my consumption. the buildings you have access to scale up as your build more, so if you have a 50% buffer then you can build any factory you want without worry -- then check power again and make sure you're back at 50% over actual (not max) consumption.

[violet pecan]

aaand just remembered that the Pumps are unnecessary

[livid kernel]

If they aren't going to clip, you can add power poles by clicking on the wire

then delete the existing one after you hook up the line

but your factory is only going to be down for a couple seconds, so I wouldn't worry too much about it and just delete and rebuild the line

[wicked nacelle]

you can connect it via power another way and then remake your tower connect it then disconnect your temp

[livid kernel]

my consistent draw rn is like 1/3 of max power, but I usually stick for the 1/2 mark too

[livid kernel]

for sure, I've just seen a lot of comments/posts places where people didn't realize you could add a new power pole in between 2 existing ones, so I mentioned it

[viral egret]

i (sorta) wish power poles had a power limit, would make it a bit more challenging

instead of 1 like that carries 231424 MEGAULTRAWATTS

and it's like 2 copper wires

[livid kernel]

the only real benefit imo to the large power towers is constant ziplining without collision

but that's enough to make them so worth it

[viral egret]

i'm playing with fly enabled for this run, will see another run

[wicked nacelle]

i find a benefit of being in some random part of the map and being able to look around and fine power. I like to place them on cliff edges and the tower things and such.

[livid kernel]

only necessary if your pipe needs to go up more than your headlift allows

[wicked nacelle]

if you're fast you can be jetpack zooming and pull power towers across a lot of the map quickly

[viral egret]

1 pure coal node would be how much coal per minute? considering mk1 miners and no overclock?

[livid kernel]

120

[viral egret]

60, right? oh 120

[violet pecan]

I meant I forgot that Gasses don't need pumps, as Head Lift=(infinity)

[livid kernel]

8 gens

[viral egret]

cool thanks

[viral egret]

k perfect that's what i needed

[wicked nacelle]

depends on miner mk-number. but yes, at mk1

each miner tier doubles the production of the previous

[livid kernel]

oh, I haven't reached gases lol

[wicked nacelle]

I didn't realize that rocket fuel was gas until I had placed many pumps on rocket fuel pipes

fuel is liquid. turbo fuel is liquid. Rocket fuel is suddenly a gas.

[livid kernel]

do fluid buffers store gas too? just curious

[steel quiver]

Note to self, if you restart (DON'T RESTART) don't 'rush' the phases after starting in the desert. You can do this, phase 4 gooooo!!!!!!

[viral egret]

found a crash site right behind my base, just sitting there, the whole time...

[violet pecan]

Yeah, Fluid buffers store anything carried in pipelines
That includes gasses

[main topaz]

I have only played and am aware of one game that actually does this. Soviet Republic.

[wicked nacelle]

yes and don't use them for anything ever (except if you have a liquid train station). and never uses valves. they don't fix problems and they do cause problems

[viral egret]

#screenshots message so uhhh
how's your day going 😐

[gritty spire]

@trim vine instead of a "highway" could i do a noose like figure. have one loop around my factory that ties into the long line

[trim vine]

I say highway, but its really just a two lane track that goes wherever you want to go

So you can do what you described

Just make it two lanes

[livid kernel]

if you keep it 1 way, it shouldn't be a problem

[trim vine]

I am loggin in, to show you a basic blueprint for rails, that will take you over the whole map

[gritty spire]

legend

[wicked nacelle]

old aluminum base 80% torn down.... need a break

[trim vine]

@flat zinc they are overclocked

[wicked nacelle]

the proper highway system lets you add basically as many trains as you want to use the same rail as you expand it to each new factory you build. everything else you run into weird restrictions or having to duplicate rail paths

[flat zinc]

ah, thanks. didnt know overclocked ones had a special color

[wicked nacelle]

once you get over 100 trains... you start having to fight with a highway system a bit depending on the specific decisions you made... but still. I have ~150 and it runs just fine even in the ugly spots where a few trains back up at a junction for a little while sometimes

[gritty spire]

noted. right now i have a line going from the west beach oil area to the mid grassland starting point. so i should just make another train station that goes back the same way

[brisk stream]

whats the max level converbelt

[wicked nacelle]

mk6 1200/m

[brisk stream]

dang

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

#screenshots message

[brisk stream]

what phase is mk6

[wicked nacelle]

first you make a 2 rail pathway that goes near two of your factories. Then you make a proper junction that connects off to your station/stations. then have it connect back on via another junction. No stations go on the highway proper. All you need to use are block signals -- path singals are just an optimization you can put in later.

Then, you just connect that highway to another factory when you build it and do the same with the on/off ramp junctions to the station(s) but now it has access to both the first two factories. Then the next one has access to the other 3 factories... and so on. everything can access everything for only the incremental cost of connecting a factory to the nearest rail

[brisk stream]

how often should i upgrade my conveyors

[gritty spire]

im sorry for all these questions. is there a good video for rails. reading it and trying to understand hurts my head, i need to visualize lol

sorry for being a pain

[livid kernel]

They only need upgraded if the current mk isn't fast enough for the machines providing it

[brisk stream]

okay

[gritty spire]

wait can you not merge railways?

im gonna stop asking questions lol

actually nvm. im off the game for tonight. brain is poo

goodnight yall

[lofty phoenix]

Is there anyway to block the radiation

[leaden ether]

Only from yourself with a radiation suit and iodine filters

[lofty phoenix]

Thanks, looks like I'm gonna rebuild everything

[little sonnet]

Is there anything like smart splitters but for pipes or?

[distant pulsar]

Unfortunately no

Pipes and fluids need to be treated with a bit more care and a specific method

[little sonnet]

Any way to make one behave like one or anything? I want to split my fuel pipe so I can still produce ammo but put most of it into turbofuel

[livid kernel]

I think, absolutely could be wrong, your best bet would be underclocking the ammo machine

[limpid cairn]

Can’t you use a valve

And limit the flow rate

[distant pulsar]

Just regular splitter should be fine

[dense violet]

clock a refinery to make X pm turbo fuel, send it directly to ammo

[dense violet]

clock the machine making ammo to control flow rate if you want to do that

[livid kernel]

afaik, the only control you really have with pipes is using a pump like a check valve. Pumps are 1 way, so you can stop flow in 1 direction

[little sonnet]

While I could its not as dynamic as the smart spitters

[limpid cairn]

Wait can’t you technically package the the fuel into packages and then transport them with a smart splitter

It sounds hella dumb tbh

[dense violet]

is your machine making turbo ammo in the same area as the fuel gens?

[limpid cairn]

but it might work

[dense violet]

@little sonnet

[placid stirrup]

Correct

[livid kernel]

there is no overflow option with pipes, you can really only math it out if you don't want machines that should never turn off turning off

[livid kernel]

It's definitely an option, just one I don't see worth the effort

[white dawn]

Well, inverse U-bends can be used as an "overflow" if constructed properly, though you do still have to figure out what to do with the overflowed liquid once it makes it over the hump

[livid kernel]

sorry tagged wrong person @dense violet

[hasty peak]

cant you do a overflow with a vertical split and a valve going straight instead of up

[dense violet]

again, why a valve? if the machine that consumes X fuel pm is set to that that will control flow

[hasty peak]

your so right

[livid kernel]

I honestly think just mathing your supply and needed consumption, then making an underclocked machine for the ammo is your easiest and best option

[cosmic laurel]

when attaching a lift to a floor hole from the understand its defaulting it to be an output, is there a button to make it an input? even if i line it up with my input on the floor below it doesnt switch