satisfactory

[daring stag]

I mean the access to it

[fathom shuttle]

I haven’t unlocked it yet even tho I’m in phase 5 xD

[daring stag]

I try to reesearch everything I can before finishing quest

most of the things I havent researched require items I don't even know of

also I don't undertand how to make an infinite height conveyor lift

[fathom shuttle]

You need a floor hole for that

[daring stag]

yeah I do

but still limited height

[fathom shuttle]

Just gotta line it up

[daring stag]

I'll try again

[fathom shuttle]

Nope, it’s infinite as long as you’re looking at it

[daring stag]

though it looks kinda good with the foundation every 50 meters on a huge cliff

I'd say the most game changing thing to learn is to build an alien depot for every base building resource and ammo/fuel

need kinda lot of spheres but doable in starting zones

[light cove]

Anyone tryna play im new

[daring stag]

not sure you can play this game with strangers since one campaign must be 100 hours

[cedar portal]

How can I delete belts that are fully under the terrain? I can't target them. Any way to clip under the ground to get at them?

[south sinew]

SCIM

[cedar portal]

Ah, tthat would do it yeah

[fathom shuttle]

The temporary rocket fuel power station became a 100GW power station somehow xD #screenshots message

[hasty cradle]

Did you use power shards?

[fathom shuttle]

Guess

[hasty cradle]

I hope so

[fathom shuttle]

Yep, that’s a 600 pipe feeding 56 fully overclocked generators

[daring stag]

that's the output of 100 irl nuclear plants?

[fathom shuttle]

I don’t even want to imagine what it would look like without full overclocking

[fathom shuttle]

Not to scale lol

[hasty cradle]

Yk thats alot of power right?

Like ALOT ALOT of power

[daring stag]

415GWH is what we use apparently in France yearly

[late tartan]

I think i may have crashed the game by going too far outside the map

[light cove]

huh??? ofc you can, multiplayer is a wonderful invention

[leaden turret]

hell is other people

[light cove]

wdym

[leaden turret]

have you met other people?

[subtle hatch]

I've been playing for 60ish hours on a save with multiplayer enabled, now a friend of mine is about to buy the game, should i restart with another save or just let him join and teach him the basics? I really don't like the idea of starting over because I'm doing good progress and i think i could get a burnout very fast even without all of the errors i did in the past.
(i'm in the space elevator phase 2 and I've completed all available tiers)

[versed vault]

Besides using them for Research, I want to turn all Slugs into Power Shards?

[subtle hatch]

turn them only when you need, in the future you will have ways to get more (im not going to spoil)

[wary parrot]

when i place my industrial storage down it turns invisible why?

[versed vault]

Hmm so overclocking stuff is more of a later in the game thing then?

[green fiber]

Not really

The mean "you can get more shards with certain technology"

You can use overclocking whenever you want

[versed vault]

Ah I see not through slugs I get it ok

[green fiber]

But that technology allows you to get more shards

[green fiber]

Through slugs actually

[versed vault]

well ok there's a way, not going to ask any more specifics 😄

[green fiber]

Even later there IS other technology without slugs too, but that is not what they mean

If you want, feel free to turn slugs into shards now.

Its not that tragic if you get a bit less now

[tall plover]

is there any guide for the best nuclear setup if you tap all uranium sources?

[mortal ginkgo]

its very late game also

[mortal ginkgo]

you madman

there are some reddit posts and it is ultra ridiculous.

[tall plover]

id do the calculations myself if needed

but its nice if someone else already did that

[rain crystal]

You should see how much uranium you can get and use satisfactory modeler, its a great software in steam for free

[open tree]

are you stopping at uranium? or are you planning to want to process into plutonium/ficosium?

[tall plover]

proceed into plutonium and ficosium

okay so after calculating a bit i think ive found the rate of uranium for each plutonium fuel rod

I can get 1 plutonium fuel rod out of 84.375 Uranium

[hard ivy]

2100 uranium all the way to Ficsonium, fully efficiently, without deliberately wasting any uranium, is basically impossible to do in a world with anything else in it. It's only possible in a creative world

[tall plover]

at 2100 Uranium per Minute from all sources, divided by 84.375 its 25 Plutonium Fuel Rods per Minute

[tall plover]

why that?

[hard ivy]

Because Ficsonium is ridiculously expensive

You need basically all SAM, all bauxite and all sloops to make the max

[open tree]

Satisfactory tools has 256 uranium fuel rods maxing out bauxite and caterium nodes

[tall plover]

i disregarded that for now

[hard ivy]

Max Ficsonium is 152, max power is 112 Ficsonium, both are barely possible in an empty world

[tall plover]

I was just going into hypothetical

[open tree]

along with all the sam, sulfur and raw quartz nodes

[hard ivy]

Or, well, without acquiring more sloops

[unkempt blade]

I wound up using like 900 uranium in my U8 world and sinking the plutonium rods and that was already a huge project for a non-creative save

[open tree]

thats a pretty big point earner though right?

[unkempt blade]

yeah tons of tickets for sure

[ivory condor]

You'll basically run out of resources trying to process plutonium waste, making a full uranium and plutonium plant world impossible outside of creative

[hard ivy]

Oh, no, I did 2100 uranium into max uranium and max plutonium on 2 different saves before. Both were long ass projects (200-300h), but they were at least very possible resources-wise

Max Ficsonium absolutely is not

Not to mention you get more power per SAM and per bauxite by using bauxite to uranium conversion

[tall plover]

ngl i am def not planning on using bauxite and SAM for uranium

[unkempt blade]

I still like nuclear as a just for fun project but rocket fuel was super simple for the relative power in 1.0

[hard ivy]

It's cheaper per MW than Ficsonium kekw

[ivory condor]

Feels bad, between FFRs and ionized, tier 9 is basically not worth using, even if your just trying to get rid of waste, and ionized fuel is so bad you can't use that for power either

[open tree]

I'm running turbo fuel right now and packaging the excess into the sink. I'm still trying to dial in my fuel production so i can sink the excess there too

[willow dawn]

Where are the screenshots saved? I am trying to show off my amazing computer factory 😛

[hard ivy]

Photo mode literally has an "open folder" button

[willow dawn]

OOh just found there is a button to open it

hahaha yes sorry, saw it too late 🙂

[hard ivy]

They already take insane amounts of effort, they should've made them cheap at least

[tall plover]

How much Plutonium Fuel Rods per min would you suggest

[ivory condor]

Yeah I dont understand, its basically not worth using under any scenario

[tall plover]

planning on using that for the rest of the game

[hard ivy]

For what?

Sinking? As few as possible
Burning and storing the waste? As many as possible (but without the Fertile Uranium alt)
Turning into Ficsonium? As few as possible

[ivory condor]

For power, none🙂

But you need to make rods to sink, so just go that route

[hard ivy]

That'd be 1/4, 4/9, and 1/4 as many as you do uranium rods, respectively

[green fiber]

why would you want more when you burn and store them?
wouldnt you want the least amount there?

[ivory condor]

For sinking the uranium waste, true you want to use the least resources

[tall plover]

end goal is to get as much sinking points per minute as possible using all resources

[hard ivy]

Storing plutonium waste isn't that bad, and plutonium rods themselves aren't that expensive.

So I'd say for burning, you prolly want the 4/9 mult

The absolute max is a 4/3 mult, but that requires fertile uranium, which is less uranium efficient, and it's actually less power per uranium than without it

[tall plover]

so gotta cover all energy requirements for that and possibly use excess fuel for sinking too

[green fiber]

fun fact, you can trash ficsonium (the lamp one) manually but you cannot sink it

So you could skip the final ficsonium fuel rod step and store the lamps instead xd

[ivory condor]

Lol

[green fiber]

and then delete them

[hard ivy]

Then you pull up https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer, set your limits, and ask for max points

[ivory condor]

Hmmm

[willow dawn]

I just spend so much time on this factort locked in... now that it's done I am sorta dazed #screenshots

[hard ivy]

Oh, and make sure you set net power to 0 so it's actually possible to build without AGS

[green fiber]

honestly they should just have made the lamps sinkable

i believe LAMPsonium is cheaper in SAM than the rods? With Ficsite and all that

[daring stag]

is alien DNA worthless to melt after some point?

[green fiber]

cause in theory you could use use quantum encoders to get that dark matter

[hard ivy]

At some point it's worthless to deliberately collect more, but if you have it, sink it, it's free points

[daring stag]

it takes time to craft it though

[wary parrot]

is there an infinite amount of mercer spheres because it looks like theres a lot i need to collect?

[hard ivy]

Container, 5 constructors with sloops and smart splitters, another container. Dump remains into 1, collect dna out the other

• you get 4 dna for each remain

[real wolf]

how does this look #screenshots message

[hard ivy]

Do the same with slugs

[hard ivy]

There's 300ish on the map
You only really need like half

[wary parrot]

ok

[hybrid void]

How many batteries per minute does a drone need to stay fueled

[hard ivy]

Depends how far it's going and how often

That said, I'd suggest using packaged rocket fuel instead

[open tree]

drones cant use rocket fuel? only battery?

[hard ivy]

It'll tell you how much fuel it needs after running the route a few times

[hybrid void]

Welp i already built a big battery factory

[hard ivy]

Old info bro

[hybrid void]

Ah alright

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch drone

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drone

[hybrid void]

Well i havent started making rocket fuel yet either way

Im also gonna use drones to fuel other drones i think cus i dont have any near fuel sources to the factories that need drone ports to function

I will probably also use drones to fuel trucks

[ashen belfry]

If u can't spare a lot of sloops, 1 is enough and put the whole thing somewhere where u are a lot and just change the recipe every now and then

[earnest dome]

Hmm.. the smelter has spark animations and smoke released when the machine is running, but the foundry doesn't have such an animation (anymore?), let alone smoke, which it doesn't have. Wonder? Am I the only one who thinks the foundry had this animation before and for some reason it was removed with the update by devs? I'm just wondering. If so, IMO , the foundry with the smoke release animation WAS better. xD

[fathom shuttle]

I’m doing around 65 drones right now and my 150/min production is still overflowing so fuel isn’t a huge issue

Tho it’s recommend you build up like 50-100k fuel first just in case production stops for some reason

[wary parrot]

how to split 3 machines to 4 constructor

sorry 2 to 3

[open tree]

3 machines -> 1 merger splitter into dual splitters

if you want a buffer use an ISC to take both inputs, single output with a splitter

[tropic bramble]

@rocky mural

Hi. I am here because I'm hoping to reach the developers. 😦

One small bug in the game makes it torture to play it on Linux. I had to refund the game.

The game handles the cursor in a very weird hybrid way that isn't true cursor and isn't software cursor:

• The game hides the real cursor and draws a software cursor.
• But whenever the software cursor enters a textbox, the game then warps the real cursor to that textbox, hides the software cursor, and displays the real cursor. It's a bizarre technique.

This code method does not work on Linux. Applications do not have permission to move the cursor location.

As a result, trying to play Satisfactory is so frustrating that I had to refund the game: You try to move the cursor to a textbox. The real cursor appears in its true position (because the game failed to move it), which can be anywhere on the screen (such as the edges of the screen). The game then detects that the cursor is not on top of the textbox, and it returns back to using the software rendered cursor instead.

In short: Try to target a textbox on Linux and the game cursor jumps all over the screen. You can never target the textbox. It's impossible.

You could solve it by entirely using a true hardware cursor, or entirely using a software cursor, instead of this strange hybrid.

I am bringing it up here since I don't think it would ever be noticed in the thread about it here: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/66eedcad772a987f4a8c2101

The game is really, really good. I look forward to buying it again if this bug is fixed in the future.

[stray sorrel]

k

[wary parrot]

rhanks

[open tree]

the odd ratio ones are harder for me to work around in my head.

[balmy locust]

There are no mods which will connect power cables across blueprints, right?

[ashen spruce]

when will we get nuclear rebars?

Mini Mini Nukes in a way

[white dawn]

The devs do read everything that gets put on the Questions site, btw, and this is not the place to reach out to developers directly

They are sometimes here, but it's somewhat rare. Community Managers can be found here a bit more often, and if they notice a commonly-reported bug they may pass it on, etc, but the Questions site really is the best way to submit things like that

There's a lot of people who have been playing the game on Linux, btw (including myself) who have never run into that problem; sounds quite bizarre

[tropic bramble]

I understand, but that thread has only 11 upvotes and is 11 months old, so chances are it will be unseen for the rest of eternity without some way to bring attention to it.

[ashen spruce]

for me it just dissappears straight away haha

[white dawn]

The Questions site is the way to bring attention to it. The fact that there's only been 11 upvotes in 11 months is an indication that you're hitting a really weird edge case

[tropic bramble]

Oh by the way you are using X11, which allows cursor warping. Wayland does not.

[white dawn]

Especially since Linux is an unsupported OS

[tropic bramble]

It's not an edge case, it's the new Wayland desktop renderer that all big distros are moving to. It does not allow cursor moving. The issue will only get more noticed as people migrate.

[white dawn]

CSS has to prioritize stuff based on how impactful it is and how widespread it is. I agree it sucks that it's not received much attention, but pinging devs in this server just isn't the way to go about it

Anyway, see #rules under "Pinging Coffee Stainers"

[tropic bramble]

I disagree. They're still an indie studio and care about their game. A small fix to change the cursor handling to either be fully software or fully hardware instead of a weird hybrid won't break anyone's back, and will fix Linux support.

[white dawn]

(Also, note that CSS is, by and large, on their summer hols at the moment)

[white dawn]

Regardless: pinging devs in here will not bring more attention to the bug. The Questions site is the way to do it.

I also think that you're severely underestimating the amount of QA which would have to go into fixing something like that

[tropic bramble]

You are flatly incorrect in your assertion that the questions site is the way to handle this. The issue will never be seen at this rate, because it affects Linux Wayland desktops.

As for how easy it is to fix: The game already uses both software and hardware cursors. Just pick one. The whole issue is that it uses both.

[unkempt blade]

alternatively, when I did escalation engineering I always responded best to interpretive dance to help me understand the impact of issues

[white dawn]

CSS is a small studio, they've gotta prioritize. There's plenty of bugs which affect literally everyone in the game, on supported OSes. That kind of stuff is gonna get addressed first

[unkempt blade]

sometimes you can't really express the hurt a defect causes you and you just have to dance it out

[tropic bramble]

Of course, that is why the questions site is not the way to handle this. Because issues with 3000 upvotes affecting Windows has max priority. This issue has a 1 year anniversary now and will never be seen.

But this is a very easy and small fix.

[white dawn]

I mean, it's your call to keep ignoring the server rules if you want. Don't be surprised when you get pushback, though. The Questions site has always been the only supported way to submit bugs and feature requests. If you don't like that, fine, but that's how it is.

I'm telling you from years of experience on this Discord: bringing up bugs in here will not get it to CSS's attention any faster than the Questions site.

[tropic bramble]

That's a shame. I guess I'll forget that the game exists then.

Already refunded it due to this bug.

[open tree]

so why would a dev bother to fix something that you arent even paying for then?

[tropic bramble]

I'll rebuy it if the cursor bug is fixed, easy.

[white dawn]

Sure, and I agree that it's a shame that the bug exists for you. My whole point is just: this is not the forum to submit bugs, because it does not get your report in front of developers' eyes. The Questions site is that forum.

No amount of yelling at other users in here is gonna change that

[tropic bramble]

What do you suggest then? Waiting 5 years for the bug to maybe get seen, but probably never?

[white dawn]

You can be as upset as you want at the fact that developers do not monitor this server for bug reports, but the only way to change that fact would be to get hired by CSS and then make the change yourself

[open tree]

Find more Linux users to play the game

[white dawn]

CSS have said many times that they read literally everything that's on the Questions site. The report has been seen.

[remote wasp]

You can always use a supported operating system

[white dawn]

How they prioritize bugfixes and stuff is up to them, in the end, and they use upvote counts and such to know how common an issue is

Which is part of why they require that bug reports go there instead of here.

[fathom shuttle]

He’s already paid them but the product does not work as intended
So naturally it’s within his right to get his money back
Not hard to understand

[minor rock]

christ, someone will have to mod it in . lol

[remote wasp]

Oh yea just code a mod that fixes it

[daring stag]

blue crater has fuel and coal, it's made for power generation right

[fathom shuttle]

Yep, lots of nitrogen and sulfur

[white dawn]

It's become a pretty great place for oil-baed fuel, yeah

[open tree]

and as a refund, the company is in its right to return his money and ignore the edge case until its deemed a wide enough issue to focus on

[minor rock]

its probably quite feasable

• to mod it in

[white dawn]

Nobody's disputing that. The whole "debate" here is just that it's the Questions site where bugreports need to go, if someone wants any action on it. Pinging developers in here is A) against server rules, and B) pointless in regards to reporting bugs, because even if they did see it their response is going to be "put it on the Questions site"

[minor rock]

what are they gonna do, ban someone who no longer owns the game ?
it doesnt seem to matter either way

we could start chanting fix it, every day

i love revolution

fix it

[white dawn]

Good way to get a ban. :)

[minor rock]

fix it or ficsit

[open tree]

theres a mute button right? no need to ban xD

[white dawn]

Folks being consistently disruptive in the server have been banned in the past. :shrug:

[tropic bramble]

I love that the entire debate about whether I can bring attention to a small but obscure, neglected (1 year old report), and very easily fixed bug has now been 5x longer than my original message. What's more disruptive?

[velvet idol]

they can't ban all of us

[white dawn]

Anyway, I feel like OP has left the room anyway, so probably not worth banging on about still. :)

Oh, nope, I guess not

Anyway, as I say: repoting bugs in here does not work. I know you wish that it did, but it simply does not. It's the Questions site or nothin'. (Or, I suppose, it's the Questions site or getting hired by CSS yourself and then fixing it)

[south sinew]

I somehow doubt you have any idea how easy it would be to fix something like that

[tropic bramble]

Well, I'll help bring more attention to the bug report in Linux forums. And if anyone here has forum accounts, maybe you could even do Linux players a courteous favor of clicking +1 to upvote it?

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/66eedcad772a987f4a8c2101

The bug is so simple: The game bizarrely uses both software and hardware mouse cursors and alternates between them. Stick to one type (hardware or software rendering) and the game will be playable on Linux too.

[tropic bramble]

35 years of programming experience. I already see that they are using both types of cursors. They have code for both things. Remove the alternation and use either software or hardware cursors at all times. That's it.

[white dawn]

The game is playable on Linux already, and even playable on Steam Deck. This is apparently specifically a Wayland problem, and maybe even specific to a single Wayland compositor, though I admit I'm not very up on that.

So you may want to amend the report to mention Wayland specifically

[daring stag]

as long as it isn't a Yutani problem

[tropic bramble]

Yeah all wayland compositors forbid mouse cursor moving by software. Steam Deck gets around it by using gamescope which runs the game inside X11 under Wayland.

[minor rock]

i wonder if they change from SetInputMode_Game // UI // etc., to a hardware cursor to change the cursor icon for a textbox

[white dawn]

Are they breeding lizard doggos as bioweapons???!

[tropic bramble]

Yup that is exactly what they do.

[daring stag]

that's confidential

[white dawn]

So... you could also use gamescope?

[tropic bramble]

I could try to get it to run but gamescope is a crashy hassle on non-AMD GPUs.

[white dawn]

c'est la vie, I guess

[daring stag]

play with controller

[tropic bramble]

Unironically not a bad idea. I'll try.

[velvet idol]

I play on Wayland and I have no problems, I think it's just skill issue to be honest

[daring stag]

it works I tried with my xbox controller when playing remotely

not as many shortcuts but playable easily

[white dawn]

Yeah, the fact that there's literally only 11 upvotes on that bug makes me think it's some weird edge case thing

'cause folks play on Linux all the time, and Wayland's been slowly growing in popularity

[rich torrent]

I got a quick question about somersloops
can i ask here or should i do that in #1038092680493801533

[minor rock]

just ask

[daring stag]

damn why AI in the future are always depicted as insufferable

[white dawn]

'cause we've all seen the path current LLMs are taking. :D

[daring stag]

Ada is more hateable than a real boss

[minor rock]

our psyche's are negative leaning , it's natural

[silk rose]

as amd user i cant confirm that

[rich torrent]

I literally only have like 8 hours in the game so im a grad A noob
But i saw a YTShort about how they can be used to make engiens and double producion but they said they are a limited resorce
Does this mean they are expended or that I only have a set amount of them?

[tropic bramble]

The only way to move the mouse cursor on wayland is to create an uinput device to fake a hardware mouse. There are no Wayland APIs for moving the cursor directly.

The workarounds are:

• Use X11: Can't. It's ancient and it's being removed this year from my distro.
• Use gamescope (X11 on Wayland) and --force-grab-cursor: Difficult. Crashes often on non-AMD GPUs.
• Use a gamepad: I can try that. Maybe it's fun.

[white dawn]

(I realize that AIs have been depicted as insufferable long before LLMs were a thing. :)

[daring stag]

chatgpt is more empathic than the average psychiatrist I've read

[dreamy scroll]

Set amount

[rich torrent]

Cool tyvm

[open pollen]

You gotta do MAM research in order to be able to use them in machines fyi

[minor rock]

inb4 you use parsec to play locally and it just works . xD

[tropic bramble]

lol word 😄 Yeah

[daring stag]

I had some issues with parsec cursor btw

[ivory condor]

Won't really fix anything, especially with Linux not being a supported OS

[rich torrent]

I figured.
My friend does all the building of the factories and I do all the busy work of reserch and orders So im just trying to figure out what to work towards

[white dawn]

There's a little over 100 somersloops on the map. You can't lose them (or at least, you would have to very specifically do shenanigans to lose them), and you can reassign them whenever you want

[ivory condor]

Well maybe one day Linux might get more official support but probably not a priority

[white dawn]

Also, honestly, as a new player? I would highly recommend completely ignoring youtube/discord stuff about the game.

[open pollen]

All the MAM stuff is super useful btw. So working towards whatever you can on it is good no matter the category

[white dawn]

For one, there's a lot of bad information out there which is gonna lead you into making other people's mistakes all over again. And for another, you only get to play the game for the first time once! Have fun discovering stuff on your own. Make your own mistakes, not someone else's

[tropic bramble]

My next GPU would be AMD too, if they were good for running AI locally. :/ I am kinda stuck with NVIDIA because so much machine learning stuff uses CUDA.

[rich torrent]

The cursed algorythm just started sending them to my TY recomended

[rich torrent]

basically what I have been doing all night lol

[white dawn]

I do know they want to get Deck certified at some point, but I expect they are highly unlikely to support it any further than that

[tropic bramble]

I agree. And trying to come up with your own designs instead of copy-pasting others and turning the game into a chore of looking up videos lol.

[daring stag]

some stuff is useful like hypercanon patterns

[tropic bramble]

Yeah and the deck is all AMD hardware and gamescope by default, so it doesn't have the issue. Lucky.

[daring stag]

you can't really figure that out yourself

[open pollen]

I technically got the game after watching a good portion of a playthrough so was spoiled to things. Still having a crap ton of fun tho

[silk rose]

yes nvidia is not for games anymore

[ivory condor]

Hmmm that would run more through Proton and that's getting alot of support from Valve, so maybe at the very least that might happen at some point

[tropic bramble]

Yeah they realized they can sell the same chip with 10x more VRAM for 2x more manufacturing cost but at 1000x higher retail price to AI companies lol. I can hardly blame NVIDIA for not making GPUs anymore.

[rich torrent]

Or how to make the...I think they are called manifolds

[daring stag]

yea

[rich torrent]

I would have never come up with that on my own

[ivory condor]

Well it makes sense Valve is giving Proton alot of support, most games are programmed mainly for windows

[naive palm]

I play Satisfactory on Linux several times a week. What's the problem bud?

just cursor rendering issues?

[vital grail]

At which phase should I stop doing spaghetti factory?

[minor rock]

https://imgur.com/a/satisfactory-bug-cursor-jumps-out-of-text-box-zyFwyGR or something alike

[open pollen]

Whenever you like or never

[daring stag]

just make a new base everytime while the slow one continue working ineficiently

[tropic bramble]

The game strangely uses both software and hardware cursors. They use hardware cursor warping when hovering over textboxes. This technique doesn't work under pure Wayland on Linux (the replacement for the X11 desktop engine) since there are no Wayland mouse moving APIs.

Basically, hover any textbox in the game and you'll see the cursor warp all over the screen because the real cursor appears in its true position (the game's attempt to warp it fails). There's a video in the 2nd post here: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/66eedcad772a987f4a8c2101

[minor rock]

you never know :p

[rich torrent]

Im not smart
I just like busy work

[tropic bramble]

Look at 0:40 here for a good example:

https://imgur.com/a/satisfactory-bug-cursor-jumps-out-of-text-box-zyFwyGR

[ivory condor]

Well what can be said, the game doesnt have official Linux support so anybody that wants to try to play on that is basically on their own

[white dawn]

It's certainly not unreasonable to hope that the bug gets fixed

[naive palm]

Fascinating. I've never run into this issue, but I believe you. I use wayland and satisfactory runs in a xwayland window. Using the vulkan backend.

[white dawn]

But IMO the chances of that getting prioritized to the point of being actively worked on is nearly nil at the moment, at least. But I could be surprised!

[tropic bramble]

Yeah. And of course the game doesn't have official Linux or Mac support. And game consoles don't use a mouse cursor. So only Linux Wayland users will see this bug. More and more distros move to Wayland now.

This year, X11 is being discontinued by most of the major distros.

[daring stag]

I play on my macbook through steam remote it's great

can use controller or mouse

[white dawn]

I still say that you're vastly underestimating the amount of QA which would have to be done to fix that

[tropic bramble]

Which desktop environment? Do you use gamescope (which fixes the bug by using X11 inside the game window).

[ivory condor]

For a unsupported OS, I dont see what happening to be honest

[white dawn]

Especially since they probably dont even have Linux environments to test on; they wouldn't even know for sure if the bug were fixed, even if they did try to fix it, without spinning up new QA hardware

[white dawn]

Yeah, for sure

[naive palm]

I've played Satisfactory on Sway and Mutter (Gnome for wayland).

[ivory condor]

Unless CSS wants to provide official Linux support, but that's outside of our call

[past hedge]

satisfactory works perfectly fine on bazzite

[wary parrot]

is tthere a way to put things in trash fasyer

[daring stag]

yeah as a developer myself I can say that unsupported OS bugs would only be fixed on a dev free time that actually uses himself the unsupported OS

[past hedge]

without having to do anything

[tropic bramble]

It sounds like you're using gamescope then. I am on Mutter 48 (the latest).

[naive palm]

I'm not trying to be like "heh works for me @tropic bramble", just trying to rule out and narrow down the issue. There's a reason it seems to run okay for me but you get the jumpy cursor.

[open pollen]

I find it funny that I find this conversation intriguing but also don’t understand half the terminology

[ivory condor]

That to, alot goes into providing proper Linux support

[tropic bramble]

Yeah. I've written software to automate the cursor on Wayland and the only way to do it is to use hardware emulation to fake a mouse device. So there's no way that the game can do its "warp and display the true hardware cursor" technique on Wayland.

[past hedge]

linux is a full time job lmao

im usrprised its working so well with arc tho i cant lie

25% performance loss for arc aint half bad

i would have expected worst

[tropic bramble]

It's easier than Windows though. On Linux, if there's an issue I can see what it is. It'll say something like "Network device not responding". On Windows I'll see "error 0x1283382323" 😄

And of course googling windows error codes always brings the same forum posts with a single solution: "Did you try reinstalling windows?" xD

[ivory condor]

That to, and they focusing on console atm also

[past hedge]

if the game drops on switch finally you iwll nerver see me again 🤣

il be on satisfactory 24/7

[tropic bramble]

Switch 2 can probably run it

[past hedge]

oh absolutely

with what liek 3080 laptop performance and a 8 core cpu it will slap

[ivory condor]

At 1 fps😉

[naive palm]

yeah linux errors tend to be
"here's the exact file that is missing /path/to/file"
"this module bugged out "human readable module name"
"missing dependency 'name of dependency"

aka super easy to resolve and google

The only satisfactory issue I have - which might be related to Arc's issue - is sometimes my cursor goes flying out of the window when my mouse moves rapidly horizontally.

[past hedge]

late game yea tho but if they can get up to like phase 4 playable thats acceptable id say

cause with a game like this you can nerver truly win cause you always just build bigger until you start having performance issues

[past hedge]

i dont have that issue on my B580 so probably distro specific

[willow dawn]

You know, the downside to being addicted to a game like is is when you finish an amazing project and you are super proud, you can't really share it with anybody

[dreamy scroll]

Extremely relatable

[willow dawn]

Yes, you can dump screenshots in the ss chat but it's not really the same

[tropic bramble]

Yeah that was one of the reasons I switched to Linux in 2020. My Windows updates never worked (always failed/rollback), and my network cable stopped working every 3 hours on Windows (going to Network > Connection > Troubleshoot made it self-diagnose and make it work for 3 more hours). Haha.

Linux worked instantly. And I can remember like 2 errors in the last 5 years and each time the error message on Linux was super clear.

[naive palm]

yeah I've got dual monitors and when I swipe rapidly towards my second monitor my cursor escapes. I could probably fix it with some proton fiddling but lazy

[past hedge]

seriously tho

[ivory condor]

Console will be a challenge for sure but alot of optimization is under the hood so I think it should have a strong chance

Still console has limited resources, so the limits will be lower than pc either way

[past hedge]

im pushing my B580 very hard and its been running like a champ

max settings 1440P its holding 30FPS

[tropic bramble]

Satisfactory is famous for optimizating the game by running that crazy youtuber's maps with insanely big machines.

[past hedge]

with the biggest train in the game moving around

[tropic bramble]

So it would probably run well on consoles

[willow dawn]

Almost makes me want to find other people to play it with but then... they are always there not just when you want to show something off 😂

[naive palm]

I got pissed about several windows 11 features, like copilot being on by default, tpm required, my threadripper not supported etc etc

Bailed on Win a year ago and never looked back. Now that I know gaming is not only possible but usually pretty easy on Linux, I'm never going back.

As long as I can pet my lizard doggo and make a spaghetti belt mess on linux, I'll stay using the penguin machine.

[tropic bramble]

Yeah me too. Windows is creepy and full of more and more ads (the start menu is like 50% ads). And so slow and bloated.

I use this: https://fedoraproject.org/workstation/

And it's been a dream for gaming and programming. So easy.

[open pollen]

Yeah I relate to this a lot. To get past it I have posted a few times in #design-and-architecture and also have a friend who I either stream too or get them to hop into the game so I can gush over my satisfactory builds 😆

[ivory condor]

Forced tpm for windows is peak Microsoft dick move for sure

[minor rock]

in highschool i put linux x64 on the school win32 laptop and doubled my performance in minecraft, good old days

[naive palm]

yeah this is my daily drive. Fedora workstation on the main desktop, and arch on my aging living room/entertainment center PC. Satisfactory runs surprisingly well on both.

[willow dawn]

I need a friend who I can just call up and make them watch my builds! I tried showing something to my mom the other day and though she seemed impressed it just wasn't the same lol

[tropic bramble]

Haha yeah I tried Linux on an old Celeron laptop too. That laptop took 10 minutes to boot and could not open YouTube on Windows. With linux it booted in 2 minutes and could play 720p videos. It's ridiculous how bloated Windows is.

[tropic bramble]

Cool, Fedora Workstation is so nice. I tried openSUSE, Pop OS and Ubuntu before it and none of them felt good. openSUSE was too obscure and tedious to get software for, and Pop/Ubuntu had severely outdated software. Fedora hits the perfect spot of being modern and fresh.

What do you see if you run echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE?

[silk rose]

coffee stain make contests sometimes so if you are really good at game you can show off there

[willow dawn]

Nah, I''m not that good. Doesn't mean I can't be proud

[naive palm]

wayland

[tropic bramble]

And you're on Fedora 42, with GNOME 48? Playing Satisfactory via Steam?

Any special launch options or Proton version?

[naive palm]

lemme crack open steam

[silk rose]

proton is like windows emulator?

[tropic bramble]

Yeah Proton runs Windows games on Linux

[hasty cradle]

Is building radar to cover the entire map a good idea?

[tropic bramble]

It's made by Valve and powers the Steam Deck

[silk rose]

ph thats cool

[daring stag]

if you don't want to "cheat" radar is useful for me

[sweet plaza]

hello there guys i have a quick question to you all

[naive palm]

• Fedora 42 workstation edition
• Gnome version 48
• Satisfactory via steam
• currently using Proton Hotfix
• The only special launch option I have is -vulkan to force using the vulkan backend

[tropic bramble]

Thanks I'll try -vulkan. I was using -dx12

Everything else sounds the same as me

[sweet plaza]

im trying to find the music tape from the trailer and im not talking about the goat one but i cant seem to find it can anyone help becouse i dont even know if its even in the game

[tropic bramble]

-vulkan has the same issue. Cursor warping when approaching textboxes. I suddenly found a hilarious workaround though. If I alt-tab and then alt-tab back into the game, I have a hardware cursor (until I click) and can target the textbox and click it. lol.

[wary parrot]

how to build a motor factory?im trying to unlock trains and manufacturers to build

[tropic bramble]

Alright I fixed it by getting gamescope (X11) to work on NVIDIA to emulate an X11 desktop for the game.

The issue with gamescope is that it uses an illegal function that NVIDIA refuses to implement because it's not a legal Vulkan spec feature. They are still arguing about it here:

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope/issues/1662

I just used ENABLE_GAMESCOPE_WSI=0 as recommended there, to disable the illegal function call. Now gamescope runs for NVIDIA and Satisfactory can do all its stupid cursor warp software/hardware hybrid mix bullshit 😄

[stray loom]

Motors come from tier 4 Advanced Steel Production

[naive palm]

I really like the cheesy iron pipe + iron wire +steel rotor setup. So it's wires and pipes all the way down and you can run it off of any iron node.

this is NOT the most efficient setup of course. convenience/efficiency tradeoff.

[tropic bramble]

This workaround will tide me over until the game stops doing that stupid cursor handling. 🙂 So I won't refund the game. 👍

[willow dawn]

I have a dark suspicion they may not have these alt unlocked yet, I could be wrong though

[stray loom]

And trains are from tier 6 Monorail Train Technology

[wary parrot]

ay my factorys already a mess itll be fine

[wary parrot]

ik im trying to make motors ive unlocked important stuff from tier 6

[stray loom]

Easiest way is steel rotor alternate that makes rotors and stators both use steel pipes and wires. Up to you whether you also use iron pipe and iron wire

[wary parrot]

ye im doing that rn

[stray loom]

Its 2 stator/rotor assemblers per motor assembler

Caterium wire can also be an interesting option early game if you have that. 1 slightly overclocked constructor will run all the wires for that. Basic mk1 miner on a normal caterium node is all you need

[willow glen]

I always thought caterium was precious but it’s really just quickwire and the only thing that really needs quick wire is AI limiters and High Speed Connectors, and the only part that needs either of those is the electromagnetic control rods. So as long as you use the OC supercomputer alt, caterium isn’t used much

[willow dawn]

What is a mid to late game item you guys always seem to run out of, just looking for personal experiences 🙂

[naive palm]

sanity

[willow dawn]

Don't let ADA hear that

[willow glen]

motors usually for me (refinery spam)

[stray loom]

Not mid to late but concrete. By that point I'm trying to build big and I never seem to have enough concrete

[willow dawn]

Ooh yeah I just quadrupled my concrete making

[stray loom]

Next is probably something else basic like steel beams

[naive palm]

that's real. First thing I do every save is optimize a nearby limestone node and get it chucking out concrete.
first thing automated into a dimensional depot is concrete.

there's nothing more sad than putting down foundations and suddenly: no more rock dust

[dreamy scroll]

Wet Concrete my beloved

[stray loom]

Concrete gets multiple uploaders for me before anything else even gets one

[willow dawn]

I am still looking for that one 😦

[willow glen]

I use one dimensional depot per item, excluding heat sinks because they’re not used for buildings directly.
Concrete I use 5.

[willow dawn]

I have two now but am looking to atleast increase my depot upload speed

Maybe thats my next project

I just finished Tier 8 and am looking to see what I want to do next

[willow glen]

I usually stop at the 120/min, at that point only thing I need more of is concrete or steel pipes (again, refinery spam).

more depots on those is cheaper

[lost wagon]

aluminum stuff doesn't seem hard to build the factory, wasn't there people complaining about it?

[willow glen]

Aluminum is funny because one building churns out so much compared to other elements, like iron and copper. The difficult part is mostly in the water return

popular options are the VIP junction (either as pictured, or by using multiple floors), and also sinking it (wet concrete or packager)

[naive palm]

There's some funny answers here, but like Lumi said motors is a good example of a midgame item that always feels like it's in short supply. The production rate on them is low and they're used a bunch in petroleum refining.

[willow dawn]

Thanks this is a great tip 🙂

Perhaps I will build a dedicated motor factory next

[naive palm]

heck yeah. that's why I did in my most recent save. iron wire + iron pipe + steel rotors. You can have a little motor factory off in narnia cranking them into a dimensional depot and never worry about motors again.

[lost wagon]

the water left from making aluminum scrap?

[stray loom]

I don't really find myself wanting for motors because I normally have a small factory making them just for construction uses and any other item that needs motors will get a dedicated motor line built into the design

[willow glen]

Yeah; all recipes that take alumina solution output water as a byproduct.

[willow dawn]

Might need to go HD hunting again first

[naive palm]

tale as old as time

[stray loom]

Makes for tons of small motor factories all over the map integrated into other buildings sure but I find it easier to compartmentalize things that way

[willow dawn]

I do like to make dedicated factories, it also allows me to build with a these and I end up loving my designs a lot more

[split beacon]

Guys, which parts would you say should one use for coupons at early, mid and late game?

[stray loom]

Any computers you find at crash sites are a good choice. You don't need tons of them and you can find quite a few

[lost wagon]

turbo motor gives you a lot of them early

you find some in crashed spots

[split beacon]

The orange things?

[willow glen]

Early game I did RIP since i had lots of iron nodes. Quartz is probably better.
Mid game… the leftover project parts, any storage container that filled. At this point all your advanced items probably need expanding; either motors or computers if you can spare them.
Late game: project parts. The rest is a pittance tbh.

[lost wagon]

right now I am trying to figure out if I will want to make multiple independent factories from raw (which can get pretty repetitive and annoying) or if I make a centralized "regional" place to transport all the resouces needed for stuff and just make the last step of the production line in there

[fathom shuttle]

For aluminum?

[lost wagon]

no, everything

[split beacon]

By any chance do you know how many points it gives per part or per minute?

[lost wagon]

well, "everything"

[split beacon]

I think transporting all the resources to a specific place makes it a lot easier and conserves more space

[leaden ether]

I did the third option, 5 main factories that were largely independent but traded high end materials as needed with each other via train or drone. (With 2-3 smaller outlier factories as needed) Worked extremely well at balancing the non repetitiveness of fully independent factories and the massive logistics nightmare of a centralized production facility.

[willow glen]

Some items make easy independent factories. Motors I keep harping on since it’s mostly iron, that frees up a lot of your starter iron nodes. Project parts are easiest to make at your central facility.

[leaden ether]

For the motor example I had a factory called "motor city" that made all the types of motors and iron/steel related items.

[foggy heart]

whats the meta when starting with aluminum? what alts do i need?

[willow glen]

If you can get Sloppy Alumina and Pure Aluminum Ingot that cuts quartz out entirely. Otherwise it’s no big deal, at this point I doubt you’re having trouble finding quartz

[foggy heart]

okay thanks, was just wonderign what the most efficient way was

[stray loom]

I like Sloppy Alumina, vanilla Aluminum Scrap, and Pure Aluminum Ingot as my combo

[leaden ether]

As with every philosophy imaginable, trying to stick to a single one such as all independent or all in one mega factory usually ends up being a LOT more frustration and work than using a practical combination of both (or more). having a "philosophy" when playing the game is great for multiple playthroughs, but there is no reason to make even MORE work for yourself the first time since there is work aplenty already.

[willow dawn]

I did use the pure alluminium ingots recipe... first one I spend hours and hours looking for

[fair salmon]

blueprints def still buggy

[willow dawn]

OK, time to take a break from my computer. I'll be back later. Hopefully with a plan on what to do next 😛

[wanton apex]

Is there a setting to disable screen shake when a tree falls?

[lost wagon]

that's kinda the idea, for example HMF needing modular frame and industrial beam, instead of making it from raw I could just transport from the small factories that are already making them to a "storage" place and then make the manufacturer there to make HMF, if I end up with a different thing that needs either of them too, I can just increase the production of them in their own small factory and just split in the storage

but yea, the idea is making big "regional" factories and not a megafactory

[fathom shuttle]

If the scale is small enough then yes sure

[wanton apex]

figured it out, slide screen shake setting to 0 in video settings

[foggy heart]

I got pure aluminum and sloppy alumina on the same harddrive what do i do 😭

[wary parrot]

i give up just built a whole factory just to forget stuff needs smelting.im crafting motors and stators by hand

[stray loom]

Sloppy Alumina first imo

But the real answer is to hunt hard drives to get both 😄

[foggy heart]

I have 19 hardrives waiting for me to choose something and I have 34 hard drives waiting to be processed xD

[fathom shuttle]

Sloppy then scan for the other

[fluid sapphire]

I have tried to send ore straight into constructors at least 3 times

[wary parrot]

im just crafting stuff by hans

[foggy heart]

Another q for anyone who knows, will the diluted fuel recipe only be added to the pool once I unlock the blender? or once i get to phase 4?

[stray loom]

Requires the blender for that to show up

[willow glen]

Just need blender

[fathom shuttle]

Making 144GW lets goo

[stray loom]

Btw https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Hard_Drive if you ever want to know what you need for a specific alternate to show up

[fathom shuttle]

Once you unlock the blender

[hard ivy]

Though, FYI, almost all "OR"s need to be replaced by "AND"s

[fathom shuttle]

60/min time crystals should be enough for the dd right

[fluid sapphire]

Probably by a factor of 3?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea probably, I’m slooping 2 converters right now and I’ll probably remove the sloops once I have a ISC worth of it built up

[pine adder]

can you use coal as fuel in like equipment stuff and the chainsaw?

[quiet gust]

idk i did like, a lot more if you have a few isc for belt highways you'll be fine regardless of speed

[sturdy pivot]

i got Pure Aluminum Ingot and Sloppy Alumina recipes in a hard drive, which one do i go with?

[hard ivy]

chainsaw only runs on solid biofuel

[hard ivy]

you should get more drives

[foggy heart]

whats a decent amount of aluminum ingots to be producing when starting phase 4?

[quiet gust]

those are both reaaaaalllly good. Go with pure as its more versatile and then FIND MORE DRIVES

[quiet gust]

uhhhh, depends

[foggy heart]

if i fully oc the nodes near me i can get 837/min

[quiet gust]

i would say GET ALTS FOR ALUMINUM

it extends ur aluminum so much

look for sloppy alumina and electrode aluminum scrap

[foggy heart]

ye thats using pure ingost and sloppyalumina

[quiet gust]

did you get both on the same hard drive

[foggy heart]

yes then i got the other one

[quiet gust]

ah

[foggy heart]

so i have both unlocked

[quiet gust]

get electrode aluminum scrap then you have a 1 to 1 ratio of ingots to buaxite

[foggy heart]

got both on one drive, chose sloppy, scanned a new drice and got pure

[foggy heart]

oh nice

ah but that needs petro coke

[quiet gust]

also the water you get from alumminum scrap, do not let it touch water from pipes from a water extractor, set up 2 systems, one for waste water and one forfresh water

[quiet gust]

its very little tbh, but if your not near oil stick to reg

[foggy heart]

what do i do with waste water?

[quiet gust]

ill send a screenshot i just build mine, gimme like 2 minutes

[foggy heart]

aight

[quiet gust]

i put it in #math-and-meta

[stray loom]

Use it for wet concrete

Or some other similar recipe

[quiet gust]

nah just creat two systems

its easy

wastes too much lime late game

[tall plover]

good god i do really spend an unhealthy amount of time in Satisfactory

So far i got 120 Hours in 10 Days and im gonna play for like 7 more hours today

[quiet gust]

i have 10x that

[tall plover]

in 10 days?

[quiet gust]

no but thats not a weird amount in 10 days

[stray loom]

He plays on 10 different computers at the same time

[pure condor]

dont we all

[quiet gust]

please

i have early access on consoles fr fr and half of them are on theose

[velvet root]

I got 112 hours and I still can't build a proper factory

[keen hawk]

my first run that i dont leave my computer running overnight to complete phase 2

life is good
not because all my stuff is crippled in terms of production

[velvet root]

You should look at my factory if you think yours is bad.. (#math-and-meta )

[undone crow]

Train question - Why is it that sometimes when I place block signals that 'look' correct, on two tracks side by side, both tracks turn the same color and 'share' the block?

[tall plover]

Everything til Phase 4 was clean and well planned... then phase 5 happened

and its just a mess

[stray loom]

Bug that can happen with tracks being too close together

[velvet root]

Haven't even passed phase 3 and everything is a mess

[tall plover]

well factory games are in my skillset id think

logical games in general

[buoyant vapor]

is track sharing allowed? or is the "signal loops itself" warning fixable?

[foggy heart]

#screenshots can someone help me and tell me if this is effecient or good or whatever when starting phase 4? currently producing 11GW and using 9gw so I do need power as well, not sure if im gonna be doing the right thing if i do this

[undone crow]

I think that is the case yes thank you

[tall plover]

tbf i neglected exploration til i got to phase 5

[true mulch]

it is fixable, make a #1038092680493801533 post with screenshots of your setups with the block colors visible

[keen hawk]

ah, i found wet concrete before refineries...

[jade frigate]

Hello, I would like to buy the satisfactory game and I have a question before buying: Does Satisfactory have good replay value, or is it more of a one-and-done type of game?

[keen hawk]

how is that even allowed anyways

[true mulch]

it only checks for water being available, not refineries

bug since they added the recipe in 2020

[keen hawk]

its up to you, you could play a single save of 200 hours, a single save of 700 hours, or 10 saves 500 hours each

[true mulch]

also applies to similar "pure" recipes which use water in refineries

[keen hawk]

i see, thanks

i thought they would be like alloy recipes checking if you have foundries
is this the only bug that doesnt check for building type?

[foggy heart]

Anyone?

[true mulch]

it's a sandbox so part of the motivation has to come from your desire to build
there's definitely replay value if you want to improve, although I agree that the bigger factor is that each playthrough is long in itself

[buoyant vapor]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1396189608760316014

[keen hawk]

i assure you that if you are using satisfactory modeller you are doing better than 90% of players

[foggy heart]

only got like 418 hours on this game over the past like 4 years so idk

[true mulch]

sorry for the kind of non-answer, but why use a manual planning tool if you need someone else to check the efficiency

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production is guaranteed to be 100% efficient

[foggy heart]

cz i have a habit of always second guessing myself and talk myself into thinking im doing everything in the most ineffecient way possble, so i just resort to looking for second opinions

[true mulch]

my point was just use SF Tools instead and you won't have to wonder about this ever

[foggy heart]

ig my thing is that ive gotten further in this save than any other playthrough i've done, and i dont have it in me to start a new game or make a catastrophic mistake thats gonna sabotage me later on. I dont know whats gonna happen later in the game, and i dont know what I need to future proof myself.

Idk ig im just trying to learn from people that have a lot more experience than what I have at the moment

[true mulch]

I see

you needn't future-proof

when you need something, make it in the exact amount you need at that point

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[foggy heart]

dont get me wrong, im not trying to be "needy" and have others play for me, just wanna learn from those that have been down this road before

[quiet gust]

on that note did u see my alumium thingy

[foggy heart]

i didnt, can you link it?

[quiet gust]

#math-and-meta message

[foggy heart]

nvm

[quiet gust]

does my explaination make sense

[foggy heart]

uhh, hang on

[foggy heart]

no not really xD

[quiet gust]

do u want me to vc to show u

[halcyon raft]

how i hate pipes and fluid system in this game, sometimes works somtimes not

[quiet gust]

LOOPS

looping is the answer

it combats sloshing

[reef basin]

They always work 🙂

[unkempt blade]

real ones know never to use liquids for any reason because of a state bias

solids or get out

[quiet gust]

i didnt know racism for states of matter was a thing

[unkempt blade]

racism is wrong, this is matter bias which is just basic physics

[green fiber]

I only see skill issue here

[unkempt blade]

I'm a hack and a fraud so this might be possible

[leaden ether]

Once you understand how to engineer their layout (Generally by doing it wrong 20 times) they then become pretty reliable.

[unkempt blade]

just make sure to use lots of storage tanks and lots of valves if you want to have a bad time

[green fiber]

best thing you can do with fluids is to keep it simple

keep it simple, keep it small

[atomic siren]

I installed the game on another drive (F:), where do I put my save files (on my C: drive) so they get recognized

[leaden ether]

Keeping it simple really is the primary rule.

[green fiber]

you know what big complicated systems are for? showing off.
And i dont think anyone can afford to show off if they regularily complain that they cant make it work

[unkempt blade]

I subscribe to CATS, Complicate All Things Stupidly

[green fiber]

Then you must also like the FATE - Fail At Tasks Easily

[unkempt blade]

Which is just an opportunity to Do Over, Gain Skills

[flint grail]

How many total project parts are there?

[quiet gust]

12

[quiet gust]

why?

[tawdry plank]

nefarious reasons

[unkempt blade]

ADA says so

[foggy heart]

statism

[tawdry plank]

brb turning into plasma

[unkempt blade]

waited too long to walk the dog and now it's thundering, I guess I'll have to play with trains some more

[tawdry plank]

the factory must grow

unfortunately ill have to sleep (dont tell ada)

[foggy heart]

#screenshots How would I split this? I feel like im missing a basic pipe mechanic

[unkempt blade]

I'd use two different sets of refineries/pipes and just over/underclock to hit the right number for each probably

you'll be using several sets for that top fork already

[foggy heart]

i think I understand

waiting for my game to uncrash itself

[uncut trail]

is it safe to overclock 6 coal generators since im drowning in coal and can add water

[trim vine]

depends, whats your max belt speed?

[fluid sapphire]

they might explode

[dusk rivet]

I’d recommend just building more generators

[uncut trail]

im using mk2

[uncut trail]

ig ill add extra 2

3 water exctractor should be enough for 8 right?

[trim vine]

which means consumption goes up to 37.5 per gennie, so do with that what you will

[hard ivy]

3:8 is the standard ratio, assuming both are running at the same speed

[uncut trail]

ok ty

[dusk rivet]

Power shards are limited and IMO should be reserved for drills, since places you can drill are also limited. You can always just build more generators/crafters, whatever.

[hard ivy]

well, they are limited only for the first 90% of the game

[gilded goblet]

is there an easier way to get rid of those annoying ass hog things

[dusk rivet]

Not considering artificial means, which yeah is end-game

[hard ivy]

actually, they're technically infinite even before that

doggos can bring slugs

[dusk rivet]

Lizard Doggo drops are RNG based, unreliable

[dusk rivet]

Rebar gun, you get a bigger whacker in phase 2

[unkempt blade]

I agree with drills but I also think power gens are actually a pretty good use for them if you want to use some early game. Other stuff has a downside (higher relative power) whereas gens are pure upside

[reef basin]

Still enough for most needs if handled

[gilded goblet]

it's really annoying trying to setup my coal power plant and getting smacked by those things

[dusk rivet]

Or could just turn off enemy aggression.

[stray loom]

Even without end game manufacturing of power shards you can still get several thousand of them if you dedicate a sloop to a constructor to turn slugs into shards

[unkempt blade]

you can also sloop your slugs and get double if anyone doesn't know that

[gilded goblet]

how

[dusk rivet]

In settings

[hard ivy]

eh, "only" 5k total, if you collect all slugs
depending how big you build, it could still not be enough to OC everything

[fluid sapphire]

i have mine set to retaliate, best decision ever

[gilded goblet]

cant you generate power shards at some point late game

[dusk rivet]

You can make artificial ones at some point

[dusk rivet]

At what point do the artifacts and SAM become relevant to the gameplay? I’m just used to ignoring them due to Early Access.

[hard ivy]

immediately

[trim vine]

sloops are relevant the second you log in

[stray loom]

Once you can build the MAM you can start to unlock the relevant technologies, so pretty early

[dusk rivet]

I’m nearing the end of Phase 2 and I’ve not bothered. And I figured since SAM is pretty hidden I shouldn’t worry about it.

[hard ivy]

your loss 🤷‍♂️

[stray loom]

It's not something you need. But it is nice to have

[trim vine]

So you're missing out on dimensional depots, doubling your Power Shards and Alien DNA/capsules.....

[hard ivy]

no, I need DDs

[trim vine]

How long have you been playing the game, good sir?

[dusk rivet]

I’ll look into the Alien Tech research tree before I start Automated Wiring

[stray loom]

Since the first early access that was Epic only

[trim vine]

then you should know just how "needed" Dimensional Depots are 😛

Required to advance? No.

One of the biggest QOL changes, yes

[dusk rivet]

I’ve been on and off since Update 4 EA, never gotten past oil processing though. Always dropped it after that. Started back up from scratch once they added controller support.

[stray loom]

Old school method was truck stuffed with all the mats until you ran out. Then you went back to get more. Still works today but definitely not as convenient sure

Or train with multiple train cars for the big stuff

[trim vine]

I'm hip, and you would still at one point run out, so DD's are huge

[fluid sapphire]

DD can cover 95% of most normal players building needs

[trim vine]

-stares in 9 DD's uploading Alcad Sheets/Copper sheets and it still being slow-

[hard ivy]

you only need stuff in your inventory if a BP needs more than 5 stacks of one thing
otherwise, DDs can cover everything

[frail sleet]

A lot of them on concrete helps 😄 😄

[stray loom]

I'll still pack stuff in my inventory for bigger projects. Don't like waiting on things to upload

[hard ivy]

build more uploaders

you aren't limited to 1

[frail sleet]

When i was building a massive concrete thing, i was placing a 36x3 foundation blueprint every few seconds. That's 91 uploaders worth of concrete.

[fluid sapphire]

i did say normal players

[reef basin]

Which still leaves 100+ for other items

[keen hawk]

today was a good day

[trim vine]

-looks down and away-

I know

[keen hawk]

i found every alt recipe i needed to eliminate screws from my supply lines entirely

[trim vine]

ITS A GREAT DAY!!!!!

[keen hawk]

only took 12 hard drives

[fluid sapphire]

dw, i dont think i build that big and its still a bit slow somtimes, but still better than grabbing stuff manually

[reef basin]

~~now find the ones that use screws 🙂 ~~

[keen hawk]

my old setups still use screws but ill leave them be

my 2.5/min smart plating is limping along, but it is what it is

[trim vine]

As someone who hates screws, I am happy for you

I will say though, I did build a BP that had constructors feeding "Steel Screws" into a manufacturer for (I think) Heavy Flexible Frames, screws are good as a direct input, not a manifold

[keen hawk]

those factories are single-node single input factories so it is what it is

oh lord

[lean ferry]

guys i just did a refinery and im scared its gonna back up eventually cuz I cba to do proper ratios - I did ratio enough i think im off by like 5/6m of fuel/residue, should I just throw in a buffer and call it day and flush every now and then/

[keen hawk]

i gotta find the heavy encased frames recipe too

ugh

cant believe i ever took bolted frames in my last playthrough either

[wicked nacelle]

No.

[lean ferry]

so what I do

[trim vine]

Pro tip in this discord

ALWAYS talk in parts per minute

Not individual parts

[keen hawk]

set up a fuel gen and run it to consume that fuel

[lean ferry]

ok srry

[hard ivy]

best recipe for HMFs

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, this is a game about rates masquerading as a game about counts

[keen hawk]

that will balance everything out, liquids and oil are the worst when they back up because your entire supply chain is paralyzed

[trim vine]

No need to say sorry, just letting you know, for yourself too, that individual requires dont matter, always view things in parts per minute

[lean ferry]

its a turbofuel network I got alota gens (around 15 consuming 7.5/m) but I realised im overflowing fuel that measn heavy is backing that means rubber and plastic is backing

except the ratios are VERY akward so it gona take me ages to set it all up

[keen hawk]

yes yes
so either package the excess and sink it or burn it in a gen

[trim vine]

add more fuel gennies?

[lean ferry]

no i dont have enough turbofuel im backing on fuel, should I just downclock the fuel refinery

[wicked nacelle]

HOR/DF/RR/RP is an amazing recipe combo and has no issues with backing up ever

[trim vine]

that or add more processing for turbo fuel

[keen hawk]

i set up a chest with 1000 frames in it so i could slap it into my space elevator production and make enough so i could forget about it

one truck trip was all it took, really convenient tbh

[wicked nacelle]

don't combine oil for plastic/rubber with oil for power

[lean ferry]

yeah im gonna have to overclock and change everything from compact so ill just downclock

[stray loom]

Maybe I'm just weird but I actually like bolted frames combined with steel screws

[lean ferry]

im only tier 6 and I wanted to maximise so (its too late now ill save that for next time)

wait but then waht do I do withn heavy oil residue?

[hard ivy]

it's expensive and doesn't even save you space in the grand scheme of things

[wicked nacelle]

you make diluted fuel

[lean ferry]

lien up a bunch of industrial buffer?

[keen hawk]

also, i found wet concrete before i even unlock refineries
so thats fun
ill hold that drive but it kinda sucks i dont get to reroll it

[lean ferry]

dont hgave that

[keen hawk]

gotta find it

[lean ferry]

or wait can I not just package the residue and sink it

[hard ivy]

if you're gonna take it anyway, might as well take it now

[lean ferry]

😭

[keen hawk]

holding it restricts the other recipe from showing up, yes?

[wicked nacelle]

diluted fuel or diluted packaged fuel is one of the most important recipes in the game and you really can't make your oil stuff right until you have one of those (they are equivalent inputs/outputs just different machines)

[hard ivy]

true. depends what it is

[keen hawk]

idk i always had like 30 drives lying in my bay so i dont see the repeats

[keen hawk]

it was like steel rods or smth

[trim vine]

try to avoid using buffers in production unless you have a very specific need for it.

"In case it overflows" is not a good reason, btwe

[lean ferry]

can u sink packaged fuel

[keen hawk]

yes

[lean ferry]

i mean packaged residue

[wicked nacelle]

the only time to pick a recipe you don't need right now is if it has 2 must-have recipes on it...

[lean ferry]

because ill do that for now untill I get diluted fuel

[keen hawk]

u can sink anything that isnt radioactive or 'organic'

or special items like mercer spheres or sloop

[wicked nacelle]

shards sloops spheres can't be

[keen hawk]

yea yea

[hard ivy]

and shards

[fluid sapphire]

its not worth packaging

[wicked nacelle]

oh yeah. you CAN sink uranium/plutonium fuel rods just not ficsonium fuel rods (??)

and you can sink pre-waste like uranium

[lean ferry]

im probably just gonna seperate oil and plastic from the power

[keen hawk]

can you sink plutonium pellets directly?

[hard ivy]

you can sink uranium ore, cells and rods, and plutonium rods. that's it from radioactive stuff

[lean ferry]

ill overclock the oil thats making power and sink the residue I have rn

except.. the plastic cost gonna be expensive to package it

thats my only problem

[keen hawk]

your best bet is to find recycled fuel + rubber + plastic

you just gotta go harddrive hunting

[wicked nacelle]

can't you turn it into resin and just sink the resin?

[keen hawk]

my gripe is that you should get blender recipes to refund the refinery recipe back
because diluted fuel refineries are so obsolete once blenders exist

[lean ferry]

I cant

[wicked nacelle]

I meant petroleium coke - just make petroleum coke with residue you don't want and sink that -- all it takes is a reinfery

[hard ivy]

you don't need to take packaged if you think it's a waste of a drive

[lean ferry]

I feel like a bot

[keen hawk]

no no its good before blenders

[lean ferry]

I couldve just done that the whole time

thank you so much

[keen hawk]

which is a good chunk of the game, the entirety of phase 3 and then some, but its just that its completely eclipsed after

[lean ferry]

im just ghonna valve some of it tho to make smokeless powder

[wicked nacelle]

don't use valves

[green fiber]

many kinda look at petroleum coke and just go "what is that even"
or they dont even look at it

[lean ferry]

then just let it buffer? and thats how it work?? (idk if it will work)

[reef basin]

Connect it to machine that will process it

[trim vine]

again, do not use fluid buffers

[green fiber]

or, more accurately:
if you DO use valves, that means you likely use junctions
and in that case, if you want it to work, add valves to every exit out of a junction if you use one.

[trim vine]

I like valves, but not for what you''re trying to use it for

[wicked nacelle]

don't use buffers (unless you're shipping fluids) just let it naturally split -- once your powder container fills up it will go back to making other stuff at full speed

[lean ferry]

no not fluid buffer im saying let it buffer like the act

like buffering as in wait for it to fill up

[wicked nacelle]

ewww

[trim vine]

ahhh, yeah, just prime your pipes, and let it flow

[green fiber]

its the only accurate way to use valves

either you valve every exit out of that junction or you dont use valves at all

[wicked nacelle]

I choose the no-valve religion 🙂 I'll use an unpowered pump every once in a while... but that's it

[green fiber]

ok THATS ewwww worthy

power that damn thing, unpowered pumps are disgusting

[wicked nacelle]

no, sometimes I want to reset headlift

[lean ferry]

can awesome sink sink infinite items a sec (like up to mk6 conveyors)

or does it have a set sink rate

[trim vine]

why would you think they could not?

[green fiber]

it sinks as fast as you supply it

[wicked nacelle]

a sink can sink as many items as you can belt it

[lean ferry]

idk i dont think a big chunky metal can sink 1200 polymer a sec

[cerulean gorge]

let that sink in

[lean ferry]

it just seems weird dont u think

[keen hawk]

it can sink 1200 nuclear pasta a second

[cerulean gorge]

black hole

[keen hawk]

if you could make that much pasta somehow

[green fiber]

(implying that you could even make 1200/min pasta)

[trim vine]

YOU think that, FICSIT does not

[lean ferry]

so a big chunk of metal can sink 1200 radioactive reality breaking physics defying matter

[cerulean gorge]

Ficsit watching me shove in 1200 olive garden breadsticks inside the AWESOME sink every second:

[lean ferry]

"ficsit does not waste" ahh

[keen hawk]

at a rate of 20 per second yes

[trim vine]

Yuup, Ada tells you at the start of phase 5, ||This is too complicated for you to understand, just do it||, a rough paraphrase

[cerulean gorge]

i love how lizard dogs disregard the rules by summong random items, like stop giving me nobelisks if you won't give me a detonator

[keen hawk]

i think tier 5 belts should have 960 throughput

either that or mk3 miners have 2 outputs

[hard ivy]

I wish the belts had 30*2^t throughput

[keen hawk]

the 1.1 addition of the throughput monitors is so nice thou

[tawdry plank]

I think 780

[keen hawk]

i love little cool looking gadgets

[tawdry plank]

If I remember right

[lean ferry]

thank you for all the help guys

[cerulean gorge]

y'all talking about belts while i'm out here struggling to replace all my biomass burners

[tawdry plank]

Good luck pioneer

[lean ferry]

now everything is not backing up, power and plastic is seperate and im just chilling

[tawdry plank]

Remember no breaks

I need to redo my power in the morning but now it's sleep time

[keen hawk]

dont worry, it doesnt get better

[cerulean gorge]

my mini factories are a spaghetti mess

[lean ferry]

oh yh remember how we were talking about coal a few days ago?

yeah im on tier 6 now

[tawdry plank]

Eat the coal

Nutritious

Good for the bones

[lean ferry]

ive got 5500 mw of turbo fuel

[keen hawk]

at least with biomass burners your power grid shutting down is solved by putting down a burner, increasing power by 20% and flipping a switch
fixing power lategame is an absolute nightmare if it mucks up and you arent awake to fix it asap

[lean ferry]

anway back to be afk because I can unlock rifle hehaheheahhe

[keen hawk]

i started a new playthrough instead of finishing my phase 5 because of the absolute state of my map

[cerulean gorge]

i've managed to automate smart plates, reinforced+iron plates, screws, rods, cables/wired, rotors, solid biomass, and concrete 🐟
my factory is cramped and i haven't built vertically too much at all yet

[keen hawk]

is my current build better?... no comment

[tawdry plank]

Once I get the nitro rocket fuel recipe I'll take apart the blue crater factory and making the whole crater into a giant fuel generator

[keen hawk]

make a new one
on a new level
yes yes yes

[cerulean gorge]

how high should each floor be

[lean ferry]

why does everyone refer to rocket fuel as nitro rocket is the alternate r ecipe just better in all ways

like whats the difference against normal and nitro

[keen hawk]

well
one drawback no one tells you is that it gets really dark if you dont light your factories with overhead lamps

[hard ivy]

it's absolutely not better in all ways

[tawdry plank]

No but I'm still gonna plan around that recipe myself

[keen hawk]

and overhead lamps stink at low heights
tbh however high you build is fine, as long as conveyor lifts are able to make it to the next floor

[cerulean gorge]

should each floor be like 12m high?

[keen hawk]

once you go high enough, then they become an issue...

[cerulean gorge]

thank god gravity isn't real

[keen hawk]

which stage are you at? phase 1?

[cerulean gorge]

i just finished phase 1 space elevator and just unlocked coal

[tawdry plank]

You're chilling then don't worry. Have fun :>

[keen hawk]

no coal yet right
you dont really need to care about your setup... tbh
you can always pick up your entire stash of stuff and relocate and forget the entire mess

[tawdry plank]

The conveyor can lift 20 keters

[cerulean gorge]

i'll relax after I have enough coal plants to at least sustain the current factory i have

[keen hawk]

this first factory is always a mess and no one can avoid that

[tawdry plank]

Pipes go brr

[cerulean gorge]

like for water?

[tawdry plank]

Yes

[keen hawk]

i shifted bases 3 times, once per phase increment

its very fun to build a base from scratch, much more so than having to deal with troubleshooting your old messes

[fluid sapphire]

you guys have "bases"??

[lean ferry]

guys yk stuff like rifle ammo can it be used directly from dimensional depot? or needs to be in your inv

[tawdry plank]

I shifted my base at the start of phase 4 only. Before that I just covered the old one

[keen hawk]

unless youre kibitz with labels on literally everything

[tawdry plank]

For basic materials and space elevator parts

[keen hawk]

need to drag it out before its usable sadly

[tawdry plank]

Those that go straight in depot

[cerulean gorge]

My base is around -6,809/281, 158 and I have 2 pure coal nodes sitting east and west of it but the eastern coal node is 600m+ away from a water source while the western node can only support 2 coal plants due to the size of the nearby pond

[fluid sapphire]

my materials are everywhere

[lean ferry]

how much rifle ammo can go 1 stack

[fluid sapphire]

500

[tawdry plank]

500 each

[lean ferry]

oh well that works lol

I thought it was gonna be like 50 or 100

[keen hawk]

um
are you in the grasslands?

[trim vine]

520, since you load up the first 20

[keen hawk]

iirc the far southern coal nodes have a small pond next to them

[tawdry plank]

Best say the biome since the coords are impossible to know

[cerulean gorge]

Me? Yeah, i'm at one of the more southern points

[tawdry plank]

The biome is on the bottom

Of the map

[keen hawk]

like its a really shallow pond, but a few pumps can be fitted in there

[south sinew]

there's a very big lake with four coal nodes basically right next to it in the northwest of that area

and the eastern coal node you can belt to the lake over the crater

the southwestern coal node also has a lake a bit to the north of it if I recall

[keen hawk]

uhh
is this the one next to the caterium node?

[cerulean gorge]

The eastern pure node is 2 plants fueled by the tiny pond
The SW node, There's a lake north
There's the NE lake with 4 normal nodes which I can walk over to, and the blue crater i could expand to first assuming the hazards aren't overwhelming

[keen hawk]

uhh
the blue crater is...

probably far too advanced for you to currently exploit

[cerulean gorge]

too little space?

[keen hawk]

i recommend having nobelisks at the absolute minimum

[cerulean gorge]

i have 2 nuke nobelisks and 2 shock nobelisks, but no detonator 🐟

[south sinew]

honestly, the big lake with normal nodes should be more than enough coal power to get you through

or add one of the other two nodes if desperate

[keen hawk]

if you can find some sulfur nearby, it will help you a lot

[south sinew]

oil power in tier 5 is way stronker than coal power so

[keen hawk]

but afaik, the sulfur in grasslands

[lean ferry]

noooonononooo why does this game have realistic mag

[south sinew]

there's sulfur you can combine on the east side pretty easily, it's part of the way to the blue crater

[keen hawk]

is extremely out of the way, which is very sad

[lean ferry]

when I reload and shoot it waste the mag 😦

[south sinew]

the northwest lake has some sulfur as well but it's more painful

[keen hawk]

sulfur research is very useful

gives you the detonator you need

[tawdry plank]

It shouldn't

[keen hawk]

youve found and tamed more doggos than i have in 3 playthroughs i think
i cant figure out how to tame them

[tawdry plank]

You only refill the mag no waste

[cerulean gorge]

i have 2 dogs

[keen hawk]

i hold the berries but they just run before i get close

[tawdry plank]

You gain the ammo back

[lean ferry]

nvm

[cerulean gorge]

when they look at you, drop the berry on the floor, pet them after they eat the berry

[lean ferry]

I just realised I think I accidentally sinked some of it

[proven flume]

Hello, last time I played was december 2022, and I relaunched my save and now all my equipments is gone. For example the zipline is gone, I remember that I had one. Is this normal ?

[tawdry plank]

Also other ammo have bigger max mags

[lean ferry]

I shot a bullet at 482 and I reloaded, checked inv and its 481

[keen hawk]

uhhh

which button is it to drop

[cerulean gorge]

drag the berry out of your inventory

[tawdry plank]

Drop the berry and don't wear running legs

They get scared from you sprinting

[keen hawk]

huh

is that why...
will test this tomorrow

[tawdry plank]

It's way easier to walk to then they don't run as fast

So you have time to drop the berry

[cerulean gorge]

lizard doggoes are also really slow, so you probably should imprison give them housing so they don't try and follow you everywhere

[tawdry plank]

Best start a new save cause 1.0 changed A LOT from ore node locations to functionality so a lot can be broken

Best to restart to not deal with headaches

[cerulean gorge]

i'm kinda curious if/when satisfactory leaves early access mode for the sake of it

[tawdry plank]

It left it already

Last year

[keen hawk]

fairly sure 1.0 was already full access

[tawdry plank]

Yep 1.0 was the full release

[cerulean gorge]

i bought satisfactory during the summer sale 🐟

[red sun]

been out of EA since september

[proven flume]

can I spawn a zip line ?

[tawdry plank]

You can put a couple power towers sure

And Zipline across them

[keen hawk]

ive been mooching off my friends steam family library

[tawdry plank]

Again best restart cause even early game changed a lot

[keen hawk]

issue is that, no one wants to play with me 😔

[tawdry plank]

D:

[keen hawk]

i have more hours than all 3 of them combined

[cerulean gorge]

play what?

[keen hawk]

this game

[tawdry plank]

You can play coop

[cerulean gorge]

i feel like i'd be a liability if i played co-op

[keen hawk]

good times are never wasted time (:

we all start somewhere, probably most fun with 3 absolute noobs and one person who kinda knows what theyre doin

[tawdry plank]

Yeah it took me 50 hrs to even understand the basics of this game

My factory was the worst spaghetti you've ever seen

Now 150 hrs+ later it's organized spaghetti

It's instant noodles now

[keen hawk]

nope
my factory is simply linguini with one (1) layer of foundations above to make it mildly presentable

[tawdry plank]

Not like Josh's conveyor belt crosstitching

[tawdry plank]

Have you tried making your factory into tagliatelle instead

Might be more palletable

[fluid sapphire]

im sure they are equally palletable

[cerulean gorge]

I propose we replace the awesome sink with a black hole

[tawdry plank]

How do you know there's not one inside it already

[keen hawk]

its actually just me behind the screen eating everything thrown into it

please stop sending wet concrete in, the texture is awful

[cerulean gorge]

I fed my awesome sink at least a thousand copper wire and cables, at least 2000 nails, and a bunch of other stuff

I also fed it a ficsit factory cart in

What do you want me to feed you

[keen hawk]

pasta

[cerulean gorge]

No

[keen hawk]

):

[cerulean gorge]

I dont have the recipe for it

[keen hawk]

belt spaghetti works too

just feed the belt itself into the sink ill handle the rest

[potent badge]

h

holy cow

i just got a new pc build and decided to turn up the graphics on satisfactory with the new build

it is astonishing how good and smooth the game is

[cerulean gorge]

Nice to hear you’re getting good a good visual experience!

[potent badge]

idk why tho but the game feels so floaty now

[cerulean gorge]

There’s no gravity

There’s only enough gravity for you to break your legs

[wicked nacelle]

unless you stub your toe first, then the gravity can kill you

[minor rock]

what did u upgrade from and to ?

[potent badge]

i had gt 1030 and upgraded to rtx 3060

[minor rock]

thats a big jump

[hard ivy]

I'm surprised the game even ran on a 1030

[potent badge]

yeah i am too

it ran at like 16 fps average tho

[naive palm]

I've gotten it to run on a 1050 ti. It ain't pretty but a brave nerd on a budget can get some factorizing done.

[potent badge]

atleast it isnt a gt series bro thats a gtx

[minor rock]

idk how u guys do that

[naive palm]

the game has always been a little floaty and space-jumpy for me (Reminds me of Halo. Low gravity).

[minor rock]

my 4090 wasnt good enough so i went for the 5090 and its ok now

[naive palm]

My 3060ti runs the game buttery smooth.

[potent badge]

yo word ion wanna hear it from you gng

😡

[naive palm]

Your rendering backend and settings (esp lighting+luma settings) can have a big impact on your FPS. I've had good luck using the Vulkan backend, but your mileage may vary.

I leave luma on when I'm in base or just factory building because it's eye candy at night. If I'm out exploring though I'll flip it off for a FPS boost.

[minor rock]

yeah lookin at the rtx pro 6000

wanna buy 5090 ?

you can have it for msrp

[lean ferry]

guys am I approved ficsit pioneer

I made a whole computer factory based on 1 impure copper node

its making 2.5 rn, getting more sloops to get it to 5

(I can sloop it rn but I wana save for heavy frames)

[naive palm]

that would be a fun challenge run. beat the game with only 1 impure node of each resource type

[verbal yoke]

can you get vertical mergers with a side output rather than just top or bottom? or is that not possible?

[lean ferry]

btw am I slow for just knowing rn when you sloop smth it just starts tweaking and having purple exhaust

[steady glade]

can scim set the power storage charge to 100%?

[woeful elbow]

im tier 6 and am automating hmf, is 11.25 / min going to be enough?

[hard ivy]

for your own use, yes

[lean ferry]

im tier 6, how much hmf do I automate

[quiet gust]

3 is a nice amount

[lean ferry]

with my freind I automated 4 which I slooped (I had to bloody carry it took me 4 days

[quiet gust]

Per minute

[lean ferry]

btw quick question

wait shouldnt I get like more like 8 or smth

so I can split it to a fused modular frame factory aswell

[quiet gust]

You can but only if those are the ones you intend to build with

[rough monolith]

Im new but my smart splitter isnt being consistent , ive got it set up so it only splits my modular frames and it works at one sending all frames to the right but ive got a second one suppose to do the exact same thing but its sending them through the ANY section also is that just how they work or is something going on with this one in specific ?

[lean ferry]

im probably gonna go for 4hmf and sloop it

so I can get 8, 4 for personal use 4 to make fused

adn then use the 4 to make personal

[quiet gust]

Like 4 for personal fmf?

[lean ferry]

what do I need fused frames for? other than building

[lean ferry]

4 personal fmf and 4 personal hmf (I can spare 1 or 2 if theres a factory I need to build)

[quiet gust]

Propulsion rockets and pressure conversion cubes

[steady glade]

space parts

[lean ferry]

other than space parts

like do I need a consistent factory that uses fmf

[quiet gust]

And pressure cubes are used for space parts and some alts

[lean ferry]

because I can just temporarily unhook both factorys to make space parts

and then hook back up for personal use

[steady glade]

you probably want one

[quiet gust]

Yes because pasta isn't just for the elevator

[lean ferry]

what do I need it for?

[quiet gust]

Portals

[lean ferry]

OH WAIT I JUST REMEMBERED I CAN SLOOP THE FMF ASWELL

[quiet gust]

And ficsonium

[lean ferry]

i can sloop the fmf so I can jsut keep 4 personal and 4 for factory (prob gonna be pasta or smth)

[quiet gust]

And you need cubes for some of the alts that are the best like turbo pressure motors

[lean ferry]

im tier 6 but I played up to tier 8 before

[quiet gust]

Though obviously not needed

[spark ruin]

do you use FSR as upscaling with FG enabled ?

[lean ferry]

is there a mod to pick alternate? I know its cheating but I genuienly dont wana grind 3 hours and rerolling till I get good alts

[verbal yoke]

is there at all a way to place mergers directly atop a conveyer lift (side exit) without that weird clipping happening?

[potent badge]

watt

[lean ferry]

like it would make my experience so much better if I can choose alts

[quiet gust]

You should just get all crash sites you can get all but one in phase 4

[spark ruin]

asking, cuz having FG could be the cause of your floatiness problem

[woeful elbow]

ok, the only thing that needs it is acu for now and that only is 1:1 afaik

[naive palm]

I only discovered this recently:
alternate recipes in the m.a.m. library are effectively removed from the pool for your next harddrive scan. So if you see two recipes you don't want, just leave them in there.

[lean ferry]

I have 3 harddrives shoudl I scna them or save for mam stuff

im tier 6 rn

[naive palm]

It's your call of course. I follow my ABC: Always Be sCanning

[lean ferry]

if I get all harddrives am I guaranteed every alternate recipe ingame

[naive palm]

aye