satisfactory

[sterile blade]

Been there, done that

[wicked nacelle]

oops

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1396000947699843203/image.png?ex=687c7eb2&is=687b2d32&hm=dbacf5210387c637ae04d7483e046b1807ed3d5af7f7212911e7fe6609b605a2&

that splitter is on a belt seam

[cerulean gorge]

I just unlocked coal but the only coal deposit with water nearby is really far away, should i pick up everything in my factory and move away?

[wicked nacelle]

240M points/m sustained ish!!! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1396001525435732100/image.png?ex=687c7f3c&is=687b2dbc&hm=062f6170d330760b2d2329f8f3ba35e35abaa20062fd68ef94369f23346c478e&

[sterile blade]

Oh, I managed to find it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/u4wdfq/how_placing_mergerssplitters_on_belts_can_cause/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[wicked nacelle]

"really far away" isn't as far as you think. Probably either just make a powerplant where it is and just run power lines there or run a belt or two back 🙂

[cerulean gorge]

is it ok if i send a picture from an interactive map and show you?

[sterile blade]

If it sounds more entertaining than bringing the Coal to you, why not? ^^

[wicked nacelle]

You can just give the coordinates of where you are

[cerulean gorge]

where i'm at has 4 (normal) iron deposits, 1 (normal) copper deposit, and 1 (normal) limestone deposit

[wicked nacelle]

they're in the top right corner of your map in game

and people can paste them into their map and see where you're talking about

[cerulean gorge]

-85, 2786 (very close approximation)

[wicked nacelle]

there's a pure node right there

[cerulean gorge]

oh, i must have set the map to search for normals only

[wicked nacelle]

and another pure node a bit to the west

[flint grail]

Just waiting on backlogs to clear

[cerulean gorge]

I see the one to the west, and one more to the east along with some other nodes

i can probably hook those up to where I'm at if i pack enough stuff with me

[wicked nacelle]

you may be belt limited in how much you can get out of them, but that's a good amount of coal for a long while. make sure you upgrade to mk2 miner when you can and get overclocking too once your belts can support more

173,2802 is pure node and -653,3000

[sterile blade]

So, do things work differently now, @wicked nacelle?
(That was recorded in U6 iirc)

[cerulean gorge]

rn now i just unlocked the coal as an option so right now i'm just chugging through solid biofuel

[wicked nacelle]

I'm not sure -- I haven't used any belts that aren't mk6 in many many many hours

[cerulean gorge]

my dogs keep giving me random stuff and they're real funky for it lmao

[sterile blade]

The belt's MK is irrelevant though...?
I'm not getting what you're trying to say here

[wicked nacelle]

my belts can't get tiny fragments stuck at a lower tier that screws up throughput

or at least that's what my problem always was with that kind of situation

[fallow hollow]

If i have say 9 smelters, would it make any difference if i made the iron ore start at one of the edge smelters rather then the one in the middle?

[wicked nacelle]

I guess I'm not really understanding your question

[wicked nacelle]

I'd say starting at an edge is probably the normal way to do it

[arctic spindle]

how do I upgrade conveyors belts it sys overlapping objects

[fallow hollow]

Yeah thats how ive been, in terms of starting the factory up for the first time, with the ones on the opposing edge getting neglected less

[stray loom]

Feeding in from the middle means you'll spin up to full speed faster but as long as you have enough supply in the long run it doesn't matter

[wicked nacelle]

if there is enough supply it will eventually supply all the smelters - don't worry baout how long it takes, there's plenty of time 🙂

if the ore is enough and the belts are fast enough

[sterile blade]

What I recorded, was having just a "small low-MK segment issue" and nothing else. But earlier you claimed the splitter wouldn't work at all(?) when placed like that. So I asked wether things have changed since I took the video where placing splitters like that does not break the belt nor the splitter (creating small belt segments is different from "breaking" the belt, as the items still flow)

[wicked nacelle]

no, that splitter/merger wasn't placed splitting the seam, it was placed right up against it

that issue is a different issue where it leaves behind a low tier belt when it looks like you've upgraded the belts -- someone else had that problem just a few minutes ago (a few "i'm just going to play for a few more minutes" minutes ago)

[sterile blade]

So like... Not on the belt at all but on the foundation in front of it...?

[wicked nacelle]

I posted a screenshot.. let me find it again https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1396000947699843203/image.png?ex=687c7eb2&is=687b2d32&hm=dbacf5210387c637ae04d7483e046b1807ed3d5af7f7212911e7fe6609b605a2&

that's a splitter - notice how it's not splitting?

[lethal ocean]

Guys what is the name of the giant wood tick

[sterile blade]

You do realize that the screenshot is doesn't show belt seams 😭

[wicked nacelle]

yes that's why I informed you it is on one

you can try it for yourself and see 🙂

and I described how to reproduce it as well

[sterile blade]

I've literally showed you what happened when I tried 😅
Thus: have things changed?
If I split off from any of the splitters built in that video, the branches would have gotten items

[wicked nacelle]

you didn't build the splitter across the seam. you put it near it -- han gon

[sterile blade]

It's the same. I placed it as far as I could to have the effect show

Ie: I wanted to show the issue doesn't happen only when splitting "exactly" at the junction, there's some room for error

[wicked nacelle]

I posted before/after pictures this time https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057 you can see where the seam is and where I placed the splitter

[sterile blade]

So, yeah, things seem to act differently from... Some patch (I don't recall mentions of this in #patch-notes)
"Back in the days" that splitter would have valid connections on all sides (I think that's obvious from the video)

[sterile blade]

BTW, you're sure that the splitter is properly placed on the belt, right?
Eg: when the belt backs up, does the splitter pile up items inside? (pointing at it with the dismantle tool one can check what items are inside it's buffer)

[wicked nacelle]

yes

PLEASE try it for yourself

it takes about 30 seconds

[sterile blade]

Assuming you have the game installed and are ready to play, sure xD

[wicked nacelle]

I'll wait until you're in such a spot before discussing this further

[lament niche]

why?

[wicked nacelle]

but yeah, it's on the belt: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1396009497050218558/image.png?ex=687c86a8&is=687b3528&hm=e84c3a0f752680eb3c6e254d6deef2c24211cd37a6a8523c568f6429b1fdb48f&

[drowsy rock]

why is my power storage not storing

[wicked nacelle]

do you have excess power that isn't from bioburners?

[drowsy rock]

aw tahts cringe guess im spamming them

cuz im tryna open this hard drive thing

[wicked nacelle]

bioburners are energy storage in their own right. Since they are the only power source that doesn't go full bore all the time -- it stores the power in the biomass. Everything else just burns full tilt and excess power is wasted so you need power storage to keep it around

anyhow build some more coal generators so that your bioburners are at 0% and then it will start storing

[drowsy rock]

nah i just wanted to open the hard drive thing thats it

[jade shuttle]

anyone know why my notes are going vertically down my screen 1 letter at a time

[drowsy rock]

and i didnt feel like spamming bio burners but i guess i had to

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know what that has to do with power storage

fuck me. accidentally clicked "store all" on a train friehgt buffer container and poof random stuff went flying down the belt

[jade shuttle]

nvm i saved and reloaded my game and it fixed it

[wicked nacelle]

oh that's smart - I do same

[wicked nacelle]

I've had that before. never found a fix or a way to reproduce it

I didn't understand what you meant before sorry

[drowsy rock]

cuz the opwer storage holds 100 mw and i needed 200

wait iim dumb

[wicked nacelle]

are you trying to open a crashed freighter with a hard drive inside it?

[drowsy rock]

i already did

[wicked nacelle]

face meet palm 🙂

[drowsy rock]

😐

[median tusk]

Is it worth going for ficsit Coupons?

[gritty sleet]

That's where most of the cool stuff is, yes

[median tusk]

okayy

[gritty sleet]

Look at what's in the Awesome Shop

[median tusk]

Best item for it? I'm kinda early game

[gritty sleet]

There's lots to choose from

Maybe rotors? If you've got alien guts, turn those into the DNA cannister things and sink those, they're great for early game imo

[median tusk]

Alien guts? is that farmable?

[gritty sleet]

As in the stuff the alien creatures drop when you kill them. They can be crafted.

Sorry, I mean, they can be used to craft

Only way to farm them is to kill the creatures

[fathom shuttle]

@wicked nacelle you have a APM set up built right?

[wicked nacelle]

apm?

[fathom shuttle]

Alien power matrix

[wicked nacelle]

I did but I needed the sloops

[gritty sleet]

I was thinking alien protein...muck?

[wicked nacelle]

I lost almost 300GW

alien power Augmenter

[fathom shuttle]

How many did you have built and how much quartz did they cost?

[wicked nacelle]

the matrixes are the scooby snacks

[wicked nacelle]

I only made one. but at this point bascially all the sloops are on sam constructors or warp drive manufacturers. I think there's.. like 6 that are somewhere else.

[median tusk]

how many points do i get from a rotor?

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch rotor

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rotor

[fathom shuttle]

Hm I’m thinking of building 4 lol for 120% power

[wicked nacelle]

sure, have fun 🙂 but there's lots of uranium in the world if you just want more power and it's really not good for anything else

[fathom shuttle]

The main problem is that’s a lot of fucking quartz like holy

I need super position oscillators for BWD too, and quartz for pink diamonds

[median tusk]

Thats a loophole no?

I can buy for 3 coupons 100 rotors

doesn't that mean i earn more coupons then i lose?

[gritty sleet]

Every coupon is more expensive to earn than the previous one

[fathom shuttle]

Yea if your coupons are cheap enough

[gritty sleet]

My next coupon costs 30 million points lol

[median tusk]

ah f

such a scam tbh

[fathom shuttle]

48m lol

[median tusk]

i do earn some coupons rn

i made double

[fathom shuttle]

I need to automate SAM fluctuators I forgot about them

I just need an iron node near a Sam node

[cerulean gorge]

what should i do if a coal deposit is far away from water

[gritty sleet]

Northwest spire coast

[gritty sleet]

Afaik almost all the coal deposits are near wateR?

If not, and you're in the early game, either transport the coal to the water, or find a different coal node.

[fathom shuttle]

I think there is a uranium node nearby too so I’ll grab it as well

[cerulean gorge]

-66,077/296,871?

[gritty sleet]

Way up high in the rocky desert, yeah

[fathom shuttle]

Nah

[fathom shuttle]

Maybe not then lol

[flat helm]

What are the giant cracked boulders over what look like ore nodes and how do I get rid of them and is there a reason to get rid of them

[gritty sleet]

Nobelisk explodes them

[fathom shuttle]

You need bombs, once the boulders are gone you can mine it

[bronze atlas]

boulders, they block the resource from mines, and yes bombs go boom.

[flat helm]

How do I make bomb (in satisfactory so I dont get put on a list)

[bronze atlas]

you just cant use miners except portable if theres enough exposed area

[flat helm]

Just to clarify

[gritty sleet]

Nobelisk

[flat helm]

What is that

[gritty sleet]

The name of the thing you make lol

[bronze atlas]

name of bomb

[flat helm]

How do you unlock it

[gritty sleet]

MAM

[steady glade]

finished remaking and doubling my fuel setup with blenders

then that sound came

too quick for my pipes to stabilize

[flat helm]

Im so happy that I have coal now instead of biomass

Biomass is so inefficient

[versed vault]

Is getting coal based power the perfect time to redo my whole production? So far it's pretty Spaghetti

[bronze atlas]

im playing for the first time with a friend who has played before, and he built a spaghetti mess at our main starting area that im still trying to untangle, and figure out how a lot of the game even works. All the stuff he built works but im not italian so i cant handle the spaghetti.

[steady glade]

kinda ye, start making concrete and build on foundations

[wicked nacelle]

honestly you will hate how you redo it, too. the game keeps making you have to build more so what you did before is never "right"

[versed vault]

Sure but everything will be better than what it is like now

[wicked nacelle]

if you get a new miner mk2 or mk3 plunk that down and divert the new resoruces to a new minifactory nearby but keep the existing production going -- evne if you just put it in a box to use for elevator parts

[wicked nacelle]

you'll soon want to tear that one down too

[versed vault]

But building on foundations is probably the best tip for me

[wicked nacelle]

yes, building on foundations is very good once you have enough concrete to support that.

you'll get better miners and better belts and everything that was maxed out best before will suddenly be bad again

the stuff you're building now is all super basic stuff that you'll be building 100x+ of it soon enough 🙂

[willow glen]

If you want to avoid being forced to rebuild everything, do it in an expandable way. Manifolds with space for extra belts, and don’t back your manifold into another manifold unless they’re ratioed together

[cerulean gorge]

my current factory needs at least 4 coal plants before i can throw away my biomass burners and idk if i wanna build on a pure coal node if the closes water source is 650m away

[wicked nacelle]

the ratios all change though... with different miners and different belts and then alts like pure-iron... there's really no way to stay ahead of it without like.. planning out for a maxed out factory and then you'll never even get started 🙂

[cerulean gorge]

Do I bring the coal to the water or the water to the coal

[wicked nacelle]

coal to water, generally

belts easier than pipes... but not a ton easier so do whichever 🙂

[gritty sleet]

Belts also don't care about headlift though

[cerulean gorge]

true, i'll just use mk2 belts to make the coal a teeny bit quicker

[wicked nacelle]

another reason 🙂

[versed vault]

But is that a not a reason to not update my production regularly though right?

[cerulean gorge]

the first two coal plants i build had a tiny lake that could only fit a singular water extractor

[willow glen]

there’s no prod modules here (and not enough sloops to do it on everything), so the ratios actually don’t change. The alt recipes are nice but they all have tradeoffs, usually worth it, and rarely use the same machine anyway

[wicked nacelle]

as you get more resources you can siphon them off to another nearby location

leave your current stuff building whatever it builds now and use the new resources to build whatever you need nearby

if you, for example, can build smart plates now, have something that just puts extra resources to that and put them in a box -- you'll forget about it until you need it and then future-you be very happy at now-you

[versed vault]

oh I see, that makes sense I guess. Atm I'm trying to figure out how to get either coal to iron or the other way around, both seem shit at the location I am in

[willow glen]

is building between them feasable?

[wicked nacelle]

iron is everywhere. coal may be a short hike but it's pretty common

at night green and yellow look very similar

[versed vault]

Not really, my power plant is at that lake where you have that "thinnish" ramp that goes up on the side

iron is at the top and coal at the bottom

[gritty sleet]

There's a pure iron node in there iirc

Like on a little shelf by the waterfall

[cerulean gorge]

i chose the southern part of the grass fields and have access to normal nodes and two pure coal nodes, but i'm far away from water

[willow glen]

Probably crater lake? There’s also two good spots in the south, no water nearby so it’s perfect for steel

[versed vault]

Hmm I found that actually but it looked like it was only the top part and not the pure node part

Was right next to the waterfall on the sand

[gritty sleet]

I also might be wrong, depending on if you're talking about the "crater lake" (near grassy fields) or the "crater lakes" (east of the rocky desert) 😅

[versed vault]

I think it's North of starting location 1

[wicked nacelle]

in your map look at the top right corner and say waht your coordinates are

[versed vault]

Not at home atm

[wicked nacelle]

are you a long ways away? like more than 1km?

[gritty sleet]

Yeah so if you started in the grassy fields, that lake in the big hole with four coal nodes at the bottom, it also has an iron and copper node down there on a little cliff maybe half-way up the western wall

[versed vault]

Yes

my hub and space elevator are roughly 3 minutes by bladerunner sprinting away

Ok, I'll have to recheck that iron node, I could've sworn that there wasn't pure node underneath that top iron that I could mine

[cerulean gorge]

do y'all hook your stuff up to the space elevator or manually dump it in

[wicked nacelle]

when you put your mouse over the map it shows the coordinates for where your mouse is

@zcb so you can tell us where your hub is without being there 🙂

[versed vault]

I'll check an online map then I can tell you one sec

[wicked nacelle]

k

it's up to you -- it just helps us help you 😉

[versed vault]

looking at the map I have no idea where my base is lol, where is that crater lake with the waterfall? Is that south west of the map?

I would think my base is at -60k,210k roughly

[lilac totem]

guys, dumb question

i don't have the Nitric Acid recipe, why?

[gritty sleet]

Need particle enrichment milestone

[lilac totem]

what

makes no sense to me lol

[gritty sleet]

Nitric acid is needed to make plutonium, so it's gated there

[wicked nacelle]

I wish control snapping wouldn't try to snap to inputs/outputs of machines that already have a belt attached.

I don't feel like that' sbeing too greedy

[gritty sleet]

Looks like there's also a spot near the grassy fields crater lake, pure SAM with a bunch of impure iron around it.

[arctic spindle]

level 2 miner should be able to feed two smelters or am I stupid

[gritty sleet]

Depends on the purity of the node the miner is built on

[reef basin]

depends on recipes, purity, clock speed, ...

[bronze atlas]

belt speed

[wicked nacelle]

you can only go as fast as your slowest part

[bronze atlas]

theorywise if you split a 120 belt into 2 60 belts it should be fine, but i think you need the 120 belt coming out of the miner to achieve it.

unless i missed something in my few days of learnings.

[wicked nacelle]

yep, you can't attach multiple belts to one output port

basically you'll get faster belts that you can support with overclocking before you get the next tier miner... at which point it can mine faster than you can belt when overclocked... repeat again

[fathom shuttle]

That one is way way up on a hill

[gritty sleet]

They kinda all are lol

Or in a cave

[bronze atlas]

i just discovered how much easier it is to zipline using right click.

with power towers.

[bleak pollen]

Quick question, do I have a use for raw Sam?

[gritty sleet]

You make it into other stuff, yes

[wicked nacelle]

the only thing you ever do with that is awaken it. do it on site to shrink the stacks dramatically. It's also a very common use for sloops late game as it's a very limited resource (once you 4:1 it)

I have 32 sloops on SAM sites doing nothing but doubling my sam output

[gritty sleet]

And presumably shooting down enemy aircraft?

[wicked nacelle]

I haven't seen any overfly my map, so it must be working right?

also my bear repellent is working

[reef basin]

sloop final products, not raw ores

[wicked nacelle]

Guess what guys? I NEED MORE STATORS!!!!

[bleak pollen]

right the only thing i understood there was that no, i have no reason to leave my sam raw lmao

[versed vault]

I have a question regarding saving outputs in storage containers, do you always split 1 line so store items? Let's say iron ore -> smelter -> iron ingot to plate, whatever the other thing is and one line to storage?

[wicked nacelle]

This is such an exciting day for me

You can. especially early game it's very handy

[prime jasper]

I am doing something wrong or are SAM fluctuator only buildable by hand at the workbench? I can't see the recipe showing up in any building

[wicked nacelle]

you need last building in the game to factorize it

you probably haven't unlocked it yet

[hasty cradle]

Its not the last

[trim vine]

So you are saying you cant.... Manufacture.... it?

[hasty cradle]

You unlock it in phase 3

[wicked nacelle]

my bad. "USED IN"... Q.E.

[trim vine]

A ||Quantum Encoder||?

[wicked nacelle]

I misred the codex

[prime jasper]

I can but it is weird because some research ask for hundreds of the thing and the game use to encourage automatisation instead of staying on a crafting screen on a bench

[trim vine]

The game still big encourage automation

[hasty cradle]

You arent supposed to do that this early ig

[trim vine]

with the right tech anyway

Maybe if you find another machine to..... Manufacturer..... it for you

[wicked nacelle]

yes, these are all making thermal rockets. No, that's not all there's another factory making them, too https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1396035470479196190/image.png?ex=687c9ed9&is=687b4d59&hm=3ed5173f589ca6f91c85038c2bfc9b8425fa64a10f536a895b41f2cba3aa1017&

[hasty cradle]

Why so much?

[prime jasper]

Okay, I understand now, you are refering to a machine i will unlock later on

[hasty cradle]

Do you need tickets or smth

[grim rover]

does anyone else have an issue where if a person connected to the host uses an elevator they jitter around and fall through the floor?

[trim vine]

-tips hat- Correct you are

[wicked nacelle]

my goal is 1 ticket a minute

[hasty cradle]

You need that much for 1 ticket a minute?

[bleak pollen]

how do i unlock plastic? is it phase locked?

[wicked nacelle]

coupon price caps at 240,000,000 points

[gritty sleet]

Phase 4 iirc?

[hasty cradle]

Phase 3

[wicked nacelle]

after your next elevator most likely

it's quite obvious when you get it because you start needing it 🙂

[hasty cradle]

Its not that hard

[bleak pollen]

thats tragic thanks

[wicked nacelle]

best part about plastic is mk2 pipes

[hasty cradle]

I completed phase 2 in 20 hours

[gritty sleet]

Or the polished concrete foundations

[hasty cradle]

And my factory was a complete mess

[wicked nacelle]

i gotta go to bed. i've been playing like 14 hours

[hasty cradle]

14 hours???

Whats ur Total playtime?

[wicked nacelle]

no clue -- I tend to let it run overnight

[leaden turret]

idle crafting is paying microtransactions to your energy supplier

[grim rover]

if i make any of my elevators like, above 14-18 ft or meters tall (i forget which one the game uses) then i jitter around inside the elevator

[wicked nacelle]

I also play on 5x game speed, so that screws up counting 🙂

basically just lets you find problems faster... other than coupons it doesn't actually help you build faster or whatever. but if your trains are going to crash they crash sooner

or if you are burning through a buffer it will burn through and show your shortage faster

but it does make the hoverpack much less painful 🙂

anyhow, I'm off. g'night all

[sterile blade]

I was gonna ask if your plan accounted for their increasing price, because that would have been quite the extremely convoluted thing

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, if it didn't max I'd have gotten some chores done today instead 🙂. (and I did stop playing, just on my phone)

[sterile blade]

TIL, anyway

[wicked nacelle]

theoretical maximum is uninteresting to me. you can't use trains or pumps or sinks or... basically anything

[shell lynx]

is there an inbuilt calculator in satisfactory

[wicked nacelle]

technically you can't even use your hoverpack unless you put up some bioburners to cover it

[wicked nacelle]

n

the key... 'n'. not saying no

it multitasks 🙂

[leaden turret]

press N for Nalculator

[shell lynx]

yes i saw
very handy ty ty

yummy concrete

[shell lynx]

hello
we used to talk before full release too

[sterile blade]

"Can't use" because of your challenge? (I haven't followed the whole convo, just happened to open the chat on that one message)

[shell lynx]

good to see u still here :P

[wicked nacelle]

no, because it requires all the power in the game I'm pretty sure to hit the production number

so every mw you use for something unnecessary is points you can't make

not my challenge -- the theoretical max possible build

[sterile blade]

Mh, I find that hard to believe
Do you a link to the production plan? I haven't seen one using more than ~800GW yet

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink/Theoretical_maximum_of_points

[sterile blade]

Oh, sorry, I get what you mean now 👍

[wicked nacelle]

it hs point difference between 100% buildings and 250% buildings so presumably that means power is limited

it says max points at 100% clock speed is 480 -- so basically exactly double what I'll do

[sterile blade]

Mhh... Half a million Constructors just for Iron Wire...
I don't think anyone will be coming close to build that

[wicked nacelle]

and I think the point is not that you can't get more power but that it takes away from production resources to generte that power so it's a balancing ct

[wicked nacelle]

you're looking at the 1% clock speed build

[drowsy rock]

whats the best spot to automate heavy modular frames

[wicked nacelle]

it's still 4000 of them

[wicked nacelle]

anywhere with iron... which is everywhere

[drowsy rock]

i need steel.

[wicked nacelle]

those places all have coal, too 🙂 and you only sort of need steel if you don't go crazy with iron pipes. with the right alts you can do it just from iron. but it does increase your iron requirements.

[drowsy rock]

only problem is the steel beams

but alr

[wicked nacelle]

there's an alt for that - it's actually better to make beams from pipes

[drowsy rock]

i just unlocked phase 4 and i have nearly 20 drives to search 🤑

[wicked nacelle]

get to it. I set an alarm on my phone so I cna't miss the 10 minute timer

[gritty sleet]

I admittedly save-scummed a bunch of the recipes I really needed...

Most of them I came by "naturally", but when I ran out of drives and still hadn't gotten a couple recipes for the factory I was building. I just reloaded the save.

[drowsy rock]

my awesome sink is at 1.3 million requirement :((

[reef basin]

depends on which resources you need for it, which depends on recipes you've chosen and amount you want to make. So basically - find a nice spot that suits your demands 🙂

[sterile blade]

Yeah, thanks 😅
Did you calculate the total of machines for the 250% version already? (I didn't find it in the wiki)

[wicked nacelle]

yap. Alternatively you can use scim to unlock recipes and delete hard drives from your inventory to achieve the same result faster if you're doing a bunch

[gritty sleet]

I know it's effectively the same result, but using SCIM to do it felt even worse lol

[wicked nacelle]

it's at the bottom.

[gritty sleet]

I still waited to 10 minutes every time, but one of the recipes took literally several hours of reloading to get :/

[wicked nacelle]

it's 463M/m -- down from 480

[wicked nacelle]

oh gosh 🙂 first playthrough that's commendable. beyond that, it's silly 😛 (IMO, of course)

[gritty sleet]

Technically not my first playthrough, but close enough. First was in Update 3, and I only got as far as aluminum production in U3.

[wicked nacelle]

I did actually not use SCIM to find stuff this playthrough until just a few days ago to get those last few sloops. but I did reload-reroll hard drives fo sho

[gritty sleet]

So I knew enough to know I wanted to plan out the "best" factory for each thing for my 1.0 run, with alts and whatnot, but I've also not seen a ton of this stuff before.

[willow glen]

I just stacked my hard drives this run, but I did use SCIM to develop a route for them after I had liquid biofuel for my jetpack

[drowsy rock]

dimension inventory is so good when maxed

[wicked nacelle]

I tried to make a library of unused hard drives (Youc an buy them for 100 tickets later in the game) but they can't be made to sit pretty

[wicked nacelle]

it's good all the time -- and in multiplayer it's crazy super good early game

you can just ask someone to upload something from their inventory or from a local machine

[sterile blade]

I can't find it
I see the numbers of machines for each recipe (and other info), but I can't find a field with the total machines for each plan or any mentiones of them

[gritty sleet]

Completely removed the need for a "mall" setup, aside from the purely cosmetic aspect.

[wicked nacelle]

search for "250% clock speed buildings" https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink/Theoretical_maximum_of_points

or just "463,281,456"

[sterile blade]

I saw that, it lists the number of machines per recipe

[wicked nacelle]

oh sorry, I didn't fully read your comment. I don't have that info

[sterile blade]

It's fine xD
I was just curios

[wicked nacelle]

looks like about 25k buildings just quickly adding up the thousands and rounding every other one up and then adding some more for good measure -- for 250%

so a bit more than 2.5x that for 100% (since you have more resources to construct with due to less power demand) and then... a bit more than 100x that for 1% :0

[sterile blade]

I think that anything <50k (maybe 100k?) production machines should be possible, hardware-wise

[wicked nacelle]

and you have to belt EVERYTHING to one place because you only have power for one awesome sink

like.. you can assemble locally but conceptually every resource in the game is going to one spot at one awesome sink (except the power)

[sterile blade]

The 1% route is really worth the extra 10% sink points, oh yes

[willow glen]

I got about halfway into the 100% plan before I gave up due to low FPS. The 250% might be possible tho, but doing it optimally doesn’t sound as fun as having trains and drones and separated sinks and stuff

1% is a fun theory craft but no PC can run that

[sterile blade]

Actually, each plan has 7.1 GW of extra power aviable from Geothermal (or so it says)

[wicked nacelle]

that's why I picked 240M=1coupon/m as a good "i'm done with this game forever" goal

[wicked nacelle]

I think that just means it's not accounted for by the buildings listed because it doesn't eat/produce anything

it's "free" power

[willow glen]

Geothermal kinda weird too, it’s a nice bonus to the grid but a pittance in the long run of that plan

[sterile blade]

"Just" the ~500k constructors needed for iron wire can look quite daunting

[fathom shuttle]

Wouldn’t it be easier to just sloop some steps strategically? You have 36 sloops left after slooping the BWDs

[willow glen]

I do wonder if built what the minimum amount of floors for it is, my guess is 2

[sterile blade]

Yeah, might be. It's a bit ambiguous

[sterile blade]

Why wouldn't it be 1?

[willow glen]

I’m thinking it would fill up the whole map at least once over

[fathom shuttle]

Easy to calculate

[willow glen]

that’s so many machines

[drowsy rock]

i have almost the entire tier 7 unlocked just because i found aluminum stuff while exploring 💔

[wicked nacelle]

sam slooping is the next best thing to sloop, I think. While slooping furth downstream doubles everything upstream of it, it lso matters how many sloops and what the building throughput is

[sterile blade]

Huh...
How many constructors side-by-side can the map fit, again? 😅

[wicked nacelle]

my 64 BWD sloops and 32(?) SAM sloops leaves me with 8 I think?

[fathom shuttle]

4

[willow glen]

Go ahead. Remember you need space for belts and pipes too, so you need to know the total length of each of those

[wicked nacelle]

but the guide says you just sloop BWD and then some ai expansion servers so I guess I'm wrong

[wicked nacelle]

don't forget about verticality 🙂

[fathom shuttle]

2 foundations for the constructor and belt work
1x2x500k

[willow glen]

Just one belt?

[wicked nacelle]

mk2348234 belt can handle it

[fathom shuttle]

Inputs and output

[sterile blade]

Yeah, ofc, I'm just puzzled and intrigued by the question of how big the map is in terms of "it can fit X machines side-by-side" xD

[wicked nacelle]

map is 6000x8000 meters IIRC

so 48 million square meters

[fathom shuttle]

48km2 I think?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

[wicked nacelle]

🙂

[willow glen]

There will be other materials passing by too, assuming you’re actually using the whole map. How long will each of those belts be? What’s the maximum amount you’d need side by side, and how long is that length?

[sterile blade]

Oof... One Constructor is 8m (1 foundation).
That's a line of 1k constructors at best :/

[wicked nacelle]

but more useful as meters because easy to divide by foundations. foundations are 4x4 on their surface?

what is the top surface area of a default 1m foundation?

[sterile blade]

8x8

[wicked nacelle]

oh really? wow

[fathom shuttle]

Oh we are using the entire iron on the map?

[wicked nacelle]

so you can fit 375,000 constructors flat on the map (assuming each takes 2 foundations)

[sterile blade]

We're using everything down to the last scrap of ore (maximized coupon plan)

[wicked nacelle]

actually I'm not sure you can -- there may not be enough sink rate for that.

you can only sink 1200/m

[fathom shuttle]

For some reason I thought we were optimizing for sink points per mw lol

[wicked nacelle]

and like... 100 of that is for the good stuff

[wicked nacelle]

nah, max sink rate possible

it's on that wiki I linked a few min ago

[willow glen]

Isn’t almost all of it going to project parts? Doubt it’s 1200/min

[sterile blade]

So... @willow glen
A couple map-spanning floors... just for Iron Wire

[wicked nacelle]

yes, so you have like.. 1100 left

[fathom shuttle]

How many constructors was that 5m/min screws factory?

[fathom shuttle]

My turbo motor factory be like

[wicked nacelle]

but if you have a bunch of little stuff that you don't have power to build into bigger stuff you may not be able to sink all the little stuff

but I'm just sort of guessing

and the power to run another sink may not be worth the cost of generating

[willow glen]

When I did the 100% plan I tackled power first; using all the uranium on the map is the easiest resource to do it to of those

it’s like 200+ nuclear power plants iirc

[sterile blade]

Isn't it like ~400/min for the good stuff? (3 Spelevator parts)

[wicked nacelle]

5 BWD/manufacturer - 22 manufacturers so 110... plus some ai expansion servers.. so likely 200 max

[sage moss]

👀 Looking for help

I'm sorry, would someone be able to help me out? I want to make sure I can invite friends via Steam to my Satisfactory v1.1 session. For personal reasons I need to make sure everything works ahead of time.

I would like to add you as a friend on Steam, then try to invite you, then see if you can get into my game. You can leave / unfriend immediately afterwards. Thanks!

[wicked nacelle]

do you have anyone that wants to join via epic? or you know ... okay. in that case you can either use steam or epic but steam is probbly easier

[sage moss]

nope

[wicked nacelle]

(steam users can start/join epic sessions, epic users cannot start/join steam sessions)

[sage moss]

When I right click my friends I don't see an "Invite to Game" option, hence trying to see if I can get someone here to help

[wicked nacelle]

i'm not at my gaming machine, sorry

and my steam deck is... on my gaming machine for no good reason but that's not in bed so....

[sage moss]

no worries, I appreciate you for responding 🫂

[sterile blade]

@sage moss (Just in case) you can also have people join via you game's session ID, assuming I'm recalling the terminology well 😅

[wicked nacelle]

in epic there are two ways to do it -- either invite friend directly or give out ID

I always use epic because that way anyone can join from either platform

[fathom shuttle]

@wicked nacelle how close are you to being done with the 80/min BWD

[wicked nacelle]

I think I have the dark crystals done. may need another 100/m. I'm close to thermal rockets -- but I'm slowly burning coolings systems faster than I make them

but the problem is every time I need more resources it's tough to find them. All the easy stuff is used. All the coal on the map is used. all the quartz is (but not best alts)... so I end up having to rejigger a lot of stuff as I work my way back down the stack

I have lots of sulfur since I was paranoid about using it. so I can multiply a lot of resource types

[fathom shuttle]

The cooling device alt is pretty good for big cooling systems projects

Only need 30% the nitrogen

Just need to get some all iron motors there for simplicity

[wicked nacelle]

I'd have to ship in motors... but yeah if it comes to that I'll make (another) motor factory. I've exhausted all the nearby iron (already pure) at this factory.

but I hve blueprints that make making a motor factory pretty quick now

see now you're making me want to get back up and play another 3 hours 😛

i took some benadryl so I'd hvae to fall asleep 🙂

always takes my brain a while to slow back down after playing problem solving games

[bright plover]

finally made it to phase 4!

time to go mega factory x-x

[shell lynx]

i need better conveyors for copper rotors

[reef basin]

you shouldn't need them

[shell lynx]

screws are fine?

like rotors with screws

[wicked nacelle]

make screws sa you need them - just send iron ingots in to your factory don't try to build all the screws at once

[fluid sapphire]

looks like it might be worth "handcrafting" some ionized fuel for jetpack fuel once i get my rocket fuel going

[reef basin]

yeah they are

[wicked nacelle]

I grb. bunch of stacks of shards and make a container at my fuel site that feeds the blender or whatever that makes ionized fuel

iron ingots are very belt-efficient way to transport screws

[reef basin]

*steel beams

[fluid sapphire]

ya im not planning to set up anything permanent, just make like a container full of it, that should last a really long time

[drowsy rock]

does anyone know where bauxite is thats near sulfur and water?

[fluid sapphire]

im still coasting on my packaged turbo that i made like 250 hours ago

and there is still so much of that left over

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest getting started by really trying to find "pure aluminum ingot" and not worry about any fancy aluminum recipes - the vanilla recipe is very good

[drowsy rock]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

but even without that you can just sink excess scrap and only refine with the silica you get from the process

enough to get you started

[drowsy rock]

12 more drives to research and i should prob sleep 💔

i just realized im at tier 8 with only 2 main factories

[sterile blade]

Stop back-seat-gaming here already, then!

[reef basin]

pure alu ingot decreases alu yields tho

[raven summit]

what server provider is the best for this game?

[reef basin]

self-hosting

[raven summit]

i dont have a pc lying around just for hosting a server

[tawdry plank]

Yeah but it's also way less of a headache to set up. And with how much aluminum nodes there are you can just sacrifice the output for convenience

Obviously for huge scale projects you might want the more aluminum but still

[fluid sapphire]

its a trade off, like most alts

[tawdry plank]

Yeah for me the trade-off is more than worth it to not deal with silica

[reef basin]

I mean you get byproduct silica from processing it anyway, so imo it doesn't make much sense to not use it (and get the few extra for alu)

[tawdry plank]

You can process with sloppy alumina recipe and just ignore the silica part completely

[reef basin]

eh, why would I want to ignore something that gives me more ingots 😄

[tawdry plank]

Cause of convenience

At a scale of 12k bauxite a minute I choose convenience over anything

I'll still make more aluminum than I'll need

[fluid sapphire]

literally same question as "why would I use any alts"

[reef basin]

well at that scale I'd rather have most I can get

[tawdry plank]

Eh agree to disagree

[reef basin]

and I wouldn't make "more alu than I'll need", because that's a waste of time

I'd make the amount I need, not more

[tawdry plank]

But I wanna do that cause I want to process all the bauxite

To future proof myself

[reef basin]

futureproofing is imo BS

[tawdry plank]

So I'll use a simple recipe and let some get wasted

[tawdry plank]

Well you don't have to do it but I don't know what needs aluminum at all so might as well make sure I never oughta worry bout it

You don't have to agree with me I'll still do it cause it's fun

And dealing with silica would not be fun for me

[reef basin]

well especially because you don't know how much you'll need, you shouldn't just build arbitrary amounts

[fluid sapphire]

lmfao what

[tawdry plank]

Aluminum is needed everywhere and I don't wanna touch the aluminum factory again afterwards

[fluid sapphire]

literally any amount you settle on is just as arbitrary

[tawdry plank]

Again you don't have to agree I'll still do it tho

[reef basin]

you don't have to do that either, you can just build new factory

[tawdry plank]

I don't wanna do that

[reef basin]

if my factory needs X/min, it's not arbitrary

[tawdry plank]

I want one factory for aluminum

All centralized

It doesn't matter how you do it I do what I think is fun and will be cool

Not saying everyone should gather all 12k bauxite to one place like me

[reef basin]

I mean I'm not trying to convince you

I'm just adding my opinion to a public discussion

[tawdry plank]

Yeah but I'm not gonna wait to do aluminum until I need it for another factory to know how much to make. Instead I take each milestone at a time

Doesn't matter if it's efficient I'm still learning

So I'll sacrifice some output for the convenience while also making sure I won't need to do another aluminum factory anytime soon

[fluid sapphire]

if right now, i only need quartz crystal for one other product, for example, am i only going to make the amount i need right now and leave the rest of the raw resource just sitting there because i dont need it right now? or use it all for max output just so if i need it later its already done?

[reef basin]

A is correct (imo)

all the raw resources are just sitting there

[fluid sapphire]

thats besides the point, my point is that this resource is not gonna go towards anything else, and time spent building isnt linearly correlated to the amount processed

you really are the epitome of "uhmm actually" if there is any technicality to hang on huh

[fluid sapphire]

obviously

[reef basin]

yeah, but I'd rather build it when I need it, where I need it and how I need it at that time, than to build it in advance and then have to rebuild or adapt to how I built it before

[tawdry plank]

Yeah I can just make the whole factory now and sink what I don't need till I need it

Esp with stuff like plastic and aluminum

Best to just make sure I never need em again and just deliver the plastic wherever as needed

[reef basin]

what? I'm just presenting a different build style

[fluid sapphire]

plastic and rubber are the best example of this

[tawdry plank]

For other stuff you built as needed

[tawdry plank]

Yeah but the way you're saying doesn't seem the most agreeable

[reef basin]

your best is different than other people's best

[bright plover]

can I research all of the alternate recipes in a playthrough?

[tawdry plank]

More like your way is the only correct way

[tawdry plank]

Yes

[fluid sapphire]

usually use them in small amounts, does it really make more sense to build 20 small plastic factories that each make 100 plastic, one each time you need plastic

[tawdry plank]

Yeah that's my logic too

[reef basin]

no, I'm presenting alternative option (and specified "imo" and similar in most messages)

[tawdry plank]

Didn't seem that way it just seemed like you wanted to disprove the way I do it

[peak wasp]

How to fix this visual bug
#screenshots message

[reef basin]

nobody said it has to be 20 different factories though

[reef basin]

no, I was just replying to your messages and questions

[tawdry plank]

Yeah but the way you reply matters

[reef basin]

and giving you reasons why I do it that way

[tawdry plank]

That's what I'm saying

I'm not saying you were mean or anything but the way you worded stuff seemed more confrontational than necessary

[reef basin]

"the way you reply" is mostly how you read it and in which tone. Practically any message can be seen as positive or negative based on tone you give it. And since that's something you can't convey over written text, it's usually lost in transit

[tawdry plank]

Again stuff gets lost through text way easily

[fluid sapphire]

im referring to all the times when you address specific phrases in people's messages that have nothing to do with the core of the argument like resources "just sitting there", of course they are just sitting there, what does that have to do with anything

[tawdry plank]

Yeah you don't need to word it the way ya do just cause you don't agree with our methods

I just do it the way I do to get rid of headaches esp with aluminum factory

You can use your silica and I'll just use convenience

It's ok either way :>

[reef basin]

because you mentioned the "leave rest just sitting there" as if it was a bad thing

[tawdry plank]

It wasn't tho you keep it ready for whenever needed

[reef basin]

I word it the way I can, being non-native speaker and translating from my native language 🤷

[tawdry plank]

The rest can be sinked until needed

[reef basin]

I was talking about raw resources there

[tawdry plank]

I'm not native either English is my third language don't worry

[reef basin]

and yes, I'd leave raw resources half-tapped for future

[tawdry plank]

No you keep them fully tapped. The factory will go at 100% even if not used

You can sink whatever is not used

[reef basin]

my factories go at 100% all the time

[tawdry plank]

Until you need it

[sterile blade]

BTW, first playthrough when, greeny?

[fluid sapphire]

my point was that if i am already going to process some of it, if i am already putting time into building that factory and that raw resource isnt going to go anywhere else, it makes little sense to not just use all of the raw resource, even if i dont need it right now

[tawdry plank]

Yeah process everything in one go so you don't have to expand it later

[reef basin]

and my point was that I don't want to waste extra time (no matter how small) to build excess, when I don't know where or when or how I'll need those

[tawdry plank]

But it's faster (at least for me) to do it all in one gp

[fluid sapphire]

if thats truly what you consider a waste of time i dont get why you play this game at all

[tawdry plank]

That way you're already used to what you need to do

It's much faster to just make all of the factory than do it in chunks

[reef basin]

it's not faster if I have to rebuild it in the future because I built it in wrong place/amount/recipe in the past

[tawdry plank]

Why rebuild it?

[reef basin]

if it uses wrong recipe or makes wrong amount? just keep it and leave it be wrong?

[tawdry plank]

What?

[fluid sapphire]

just build it right the first time around? we are simply talking about making excess

[reef basin]

how do I know which amount and recipe is "right" when I didn't yet plan the "future"?

[tawdry plank]

To process all the aluminum you can do it right one time and forget it. I won't use all aluminum to make 1k casings instantly

[fluid sapphire]

you just make a decision duh

[tawdry plank]

Instead I'll use them as needed

[reef basin]

what if in the future I need different amount than I have here? or want to use different recipe? or want it connected differently, because logistics matter?

or I want the factory in a different place?

[tawdry plank]

I'd make the factory decision at the start

[fluid sapphire]

if all these what ifs are what keep you up at night im not sure i understand how you get anything built at all

[reef basin]

so plan the whole game before I start doing anything?

[tawdry plank]

Which is why I spent an hour choosing the location alone

[tawdry plank]

No just the processing

[reef basin]

I plan a factory. I build a factory. I never touch that factory again

I repeat that until I'm done with the save. No need to plan ahead, no need to build ahead.

[tawdry plank]

No matter what I do I'll still have the 12k bauxite be processed

[tawdry plank]

Same here which is why I don't wanna do it in chunka

[fluid sapphire]

some of us like planning

[tawdry plank]

Instead it's a one and done

[reef basin]

literally 2nd word in my message is "plan"

[reef basin]

my "factory" is "process raw ore to finished product"

[fluid sapphire]

and literally i am addressing your last point you troglodyte

you are doing it again

[tawdry plank]

Ok guys no need to get aggressive again

Both of yous

[reef basin]

ah, good old "let's do insults"

the last point is "plan ahead", which is impossible if you're new player

[tawdry plank]

You don't plan ahead exact outputs tho

[shy mulch]

Why are people so argumentative here. Everyone's views are valid. Do things the way you like. Tell people the way you like to do it if you want. But arguing about it? Really zero point to that

[tawdry plank]

Best procrastinate everything fr

[reef basin]

exactly. And that is problematic if your future needs don't align with the "plan ahead"

[fathom shuttle]

Sinking 5k thermal propulsion rockets rn

[tawdry plank]

I'll have enough aluminum to get another unit for casing or sheets as needed I don't see an issue. But I'll make the whole aluminum processing part in one go

[shy mulch]

I'm going to log in to the game and stare at my power plant for an hour or so, while I think about life

[tawdry plank]

Instead of do as needed

[fathom shuttle]

674m/min points

[tawdry plank]

Real

[reef basin]

I'm talking in general, not specific to your one aluminum example

[tawdry plank]

Yeah but I'm talking about aluminum

There's no reason to do this with any other materials

Other than plastic and aluminum

[shy mulch]

Can someone tldr the question for me so I can avoid scrolling up and reading 500 messages?

[fathom shuttle]

36 coupons away from the golden nut

[reef basin]

there's no reason (IMO) to do this with aluminum either

[tawdry plank]

That's literally mine and insane s argument

[fathom shuttle]

I’m doing 873m/min points

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, well, your conversational style is pretty provocative, congrats. just anyone with more than 2 brain cells would understand from the context that i was obviously talking about planning ahead, not about planning on factory scale.

the issue i have with how you conduct yourself here is that any time there is some technicality or phrasing for you to misinterpret or hang on, you do it. either because you find it fun to be annoying or that you think or the person you are addressing or everyone around you is a fucking idiot. thats my real problem

[shy mulch]

that's a very large amount of points

[reef basin]

there wasn't any question, these people just got angry at me for offering another option to a completely different person (which was "you don't have to use pure aluminum, because it reduces yield, your choice")

[unreal lantern]

Hello boys, quick question, I want to go back to my old save on 1.0, will it work in 1.1 ?

[fathom shuttle]

996 coupons

[reef basin]

yes

[shy mulch]

yes

[fathom shuttle]

1k coupons let’s goooooo

[unreal lantern]

ok, ty !

[reef basin]

or maybe it's you who reads it as so... 🤷

[shy mulch]

is that fully automated/permanent, or are you sinking a storage full of stuff you had?

[shy mulch]

no good deed goes unpunished

[fluid sapphire]

no bro, you dont understand what subtext is

[fathom shuttle]

2 ISC of thermal propulsion rockets and 1 of nuclear pasta xD

[fluid sapphire]

everything you say has subtext

[reef basin]

aaand back to insults

[south sinew]

I like to do sloppy/pure/electrode, which gives the same bauxite:ingot ratio but doesn't cost any quartz and replaces coal with a low amount of pet coke

[fathom shuttle]

1.512b/min now

[tawdry plank]

The way you word it is what made us so confrontational cause saying it like that makes it seem like yours is superior when it's all about trade-offs

[fluid sapphire]

whats the insult

[tawdry plank]

I said I'm doing mine the way I do for convenience I never said it's better

[fathom shuttle]

That was fun xD

[reef basin]

practically all my messages were "imo" or "I'd do this"

[tawdry plank]

That doesn't make it sound better mam

It just sounds sarcastic

Or condescending

[reef basin]

or "I'm offering my opinion"

[fathom shuttle]

I’m shutting down my nuclear pasta production

[tawdry plank]

There are better ways to say that tho.

[fluid sapphire]

thats exactly the tone, i dont get how he doesnt see it

[tawdry plank]

I guess it's different for me cause I speak English daily and deal with people talking like this in person so there's no way to take the way he says it the wrong way

Look it's ok guys no more arguing just watch how you say things because things get lost through translation into text really easily

Esp if English is your third language like me

[fathom shuttle]

My power grid is looking ROUGH jeez man

[dreamy bane]

is it possible for a water extractor to be placed but still not supply enough water? i was able to place it on a thin stream but it randomly shuts down and doesnt supply water

[tawdry plank]

As long as it's not shut down it's saveable

[fathom shuttle]

If you can place it then it does have enough water
You’re likely facing headlift issues

[willow dawn]

Good morning everybody

[dreamy bane]

smart people use power switches or whatever sadly im not one of them

[reef basin]

any message can be taken wrongly, you can't really make it work in written text, other than prefacing each message with "I don't mind any harm or provocative language or anything of that sort, I'm simply stating my opinion as a raw message, don't seek any hidden meaning behind my words"

[tawdry plank]

Mornin :>

[tawdry plank]

Prefacing with imo doesn't soften the blow of what you way tho

[willow dawn]

Wow chat looks spicy and I didn't have my coffee yet

[dreamy bane]

oh no the extractor itself is not picking up water

[tawdry plank]

So real

[fluid sapphire]

there is nothing hidden about constantly attacking people's phrasing

[fathom shuttle]

Try placing it down again

Is the internal buffer full?

[dreamy bane]

tried that. it worked as intended for like 10 secs then started stalling again

[fathom shuttle]

Is the internal buffer full?

[dreamy bane]

not using a buffer

[fathom shuttle]

No I meant the extractor itself, it has a 200m3 buffer inside

[tawdry plank]

Just keep in mind guys that things can be taken as way meaner than you intend through text so just watch your wording

[reef basin]

if you're offended by my opinions, there's a block button, I don't mind being blocked and I'm realistic enough to know that my opinions won't fit with everyone

otherwise rest assured that what I write is really just my opinion (and well this applies for all messages here), and shouldn't be considered as "hard truth" or anything like that.

[dreamy bane]

ohh havent checked that one sec

[tawdry plank]

Nothing more and nothing else

[tawdry plank]

Hey man no need to still act so confrontational I'm trying to literally de-escalate

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I have 27% battery life, it’s charging right now but it will take like 14-16 hours

[tawdry plank]

I'm not blocking anyone over a satisfactory argument

[fathom shuttle]

I’m tempted to sloop a rf blender and make more power that way

[tawdry plank]

I'm just saying wording matters

[tawdry plank]

Phew

[dreamy bane]

chill out both of ya lets just build factories we are all co wokers after all

[fathom shuttle]

If I go back to overclocking my time crystal converters then it starts drawing from the batteries

[tawdry plank]

But unfortunately I'll be replaced by Ada in [ERROR] years

[dreamy bane]

ficsit highly values all its pioneers

[reef basin]

it's hard seeing it as de-escalation if practically all your messages are attacking my wording 🤷

[tawdry plank]

I'm pointing out that wording matters

I'm not doing it to insult you or attack you

[reef basin]

and I'm pointing out that what you see as "argumentative", others can see as "informative" or anything like that

[tawdry plank]

Just clarifying since as you said English is also not your first language like me

So I'm trying to explain nothing more nothing less

[tawdry plank]

You can be informative while not seeming condescending

[minor rock]

"i see your point and it makes sense, what i was trying to point out is that the wording is really important ..."

[reef basin]

I'm very much aware that message tone gets lost over written text 🤷

[tawdry plank]

Then issue solved no need to continue confronting me in an aggressive tone for trying to explain that :c

[reef basin]

I've even added the shrug emoji to show it as non-aggressive, but what can you do if people see your messages as such 🤷

[tawdry plank]

The shrug doesn't make it look bon aggressive

But it's ok

Let's just move on. All I'm saying wording matters

imo and other doesn't cover all of meaning that can be taken from your statements

[fathom shuttle]

Automated powershards unlocked lets goo

[half scaffold]

(sigh) My trains keep getting stuck and I am not sure why. (just posted a pic in #screenshots

I just confirmed that if I manualy move the left train, it has to go way past the right train so the whole thing is past that far signal before the rigth train will move.

[reef basin]

usually if you need help with something and want to attach images, #1038092680493801533 is better choice, so that people don't need to go between two channels

[shy mulch]

oooh I finally found a use for a priority merger

[reef basin]

sink it

[silk rose]

turns out satisfactory is very cpu bound as somebody told me here.
upgraded cpu gives me 90 frames instead of 60 but nothing changes in cyberpunk 90 - 90

[tawdry plank]

Yeah cyberpunk is very GPU bound

Particularly VRAM hungry on higher settings

[silk rose]

rtx ON 20 frames

[tawdry plank]

Real

[shy mulch]

an old factory I built ages ago wasn't running at full efficiency and I went to investigate why
there is a manifold with 5 outputs each requiring 300 silica, the manifold had an input of 500 at one end and an input of 1000 at the other end. The 1000 was feeding outputs 1, 2, 3 and a bit of 4, while the 500 was feeding 5 and the rest of 4. The 500 was blocking up and getting low throughput because output 4 was being fully satisfied by the 1000 input, and output 1 was being starved. Replaced the merger between outputs 3 and 4 with a priority merger to prioritise the input from the 500 line and now it seems to be working as intended

[silk rose]

also native 4k factory runs at 60 while cyberpunk gets 20 for some reason, so i guess factory is just good game

[reef basin]

could also be resolved by not mixing the 1000 and 500 😛

[silk rose]

its always pain in ass when you have like 240 300 460 130 belts and you need to make them into 230 480 220 200

[reef basin]

I'd keep them at the original values and clock machines instead

way easier and simpler

[silk rose]

not an option if you make math before you make factory

[reef basin]

why not?

[silk rose]

would need to recalculate all

[reef basin]

not really? you still have same total % of machines

but instead of e.g. 4 machines at 100%, you could have 100% 150% 50% 100%

[silk rose]

oh you mean

i mean they make different stuff

from iron ingots for example

[reef basin]

yeah that's still possible

[smoky forge]

i'd just do a manifold and the rest gets dumped

[silk rose]

sure 1000+ ingots per min manifold at tier 3

ok tier 5

for mk4 belts

[smoky forge]

yeah if u dont have t6 then thats not 100% recomended

[silk rose]

i usually dont deal with iron that much when i already have mk6 belts

if i make huge iron factory early on

[tawdry plank]

Could also be that you're in general very GPU bound. Satisfactory doesn't really care about GPU nearly as much

If resolution affects ya that much

Cyberpunk even after all the updates still cares about GPU perf, VRAM esp

While the limit for satisfactory is never the GPU

[silk rose]

yeah 1070ti could run fullHD on max settings

[reef basin]

if you have e.g. 200 and 300, but you need 250 to recipe A and 250 to recipe B

you make the 200 go to recipe A, then build a machine that needs 50 and uses recipe A and add that to the 300 manifold of machines for recipe B

[tawdry plank]

Yeah 1070ti for cyberpunk is.... Rough

The difference of computing vs graphics

[silk rose]

havent tested it for cyberpunk,

[tawdry plank]

Oh? Then you got another system for cyberpunk?

[silk rose]

all i said before was on 6800xt, 1070ti for refference

[minor rock]

is all raytracing off ? on 1070ti

[tawdry plank]

Ah 6800xt nice :)

[silk rose]

what

[tawdry plank]

You don't have ray tracing on a 1070ti

It's not an RTX

[silk rose]

its gtx right

[tawdry plank]

Yep

[minor rock]

you can do raytracing on cpu, its just very slow 😅

20fps is so god awful thats sad

RIP , use to have one of those cards

[tawdry plank]

At 4k on an old 8 yr old GPU with no vram tho

[silk rose]

20 frames rt on 6800xt bruh

[silk rose]

90 without rt

[tawdry plank]

Yeah on the 6800 you could do better with rasterized perf

[minor rock]

970 with split vram would be a fun one

[tawdry plank]

The ray tracing wasn't that good till the 7800xt or the 9070xt

[silk rose]

it still is a joke

[tawdry plank]

I miss SLI

[tawdry plank]

Eh the 9070xt is just straight up solid

But yeah it's not like I use ray tracing in my games. I prefer higher frames and native res over RT or upscaling

[silk rose]

factory lumen is as good in picture quality but eats like 40% fps instead of 80% rt

[late tartan]

I have a 3d printer. Tempted to 3d printer a nuclear fuel rod from satisfactory

[fathom shuttle]

Let’s gooo first automated powershards are here

[silk rose]

print that power shard lamp

[late tartan]

Maybe.

[silk rose]

you may also print coupon thing i made while ago

[silk rose]

#fan-art message here it is

[tawdry plank]

Tried working with lumen at uni and had an aneurysm a week into the project

I let the visual artists deal with that after that

[silk rose]

lmao

[tawdry plank]

I'm too designer brain to deal with lighting

If you want help with system design I'm your guy but don't make me deal with lumen or nanite

[silk rose]

wdym system design

[tawdry plank]

It's my specialization

[silk rose]

oh good

[tawdry plank]

Designing systems in game

[silk rose]

lucky not the J word

[tawdry plank]

Like how mechanics Interact with one-another

[silk rose]

like pipelines

[tawdry plank]

Oh god no

[worn zephyr]

nice people of satisfactory this might seem kinda douchy I hate to do this but I'm actually desperate, I'm not begging or anything but, anyone here could drop 20 dollars/euros on steam for me?

[tawdry plank]

Tho I did meet a coffeestain dev at the last Everything Procedural convention

[minor rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q00O5mXjiNg

[silk rose]

wrong chat ig

[minor rock]

i thought we were gamers here 😮

def worth firing up the pcsx2 for

[silk rose]

im surprised youtube links are whitelisted

[fathom shuttle]

I was gonna build an alien power augmenter but that would only generate 9GW for every 10 sloops, slooping RF blenders would be 50GW every 10 sloops

[silk rose]

not worth it by itself i think

sloops have better use

[tawdry plank]

This reminds me I need to expand my power infrastructure before it shuts off again

I'm at the limit

[shy mulch]

The more power you have, the more APA become worth it. There's a tipping point that is a lot higher than the 90GW you're currently making

[fathom shuttle]

I’m over the limited xD

[tawdry plank]

Mood

[fathom shuttle]

I slooped the quantum encoder for the automated powershards and oh boy is it looking ugly

[narrow cedar]

Ficsit owns us all

[tawdry plank]

How much power does that use alone

[fathom shuttle]

I think 2GW but with a sloop it uses 8GW

[shy mulch]

it's quite a neat way to do it actually, because you can use the extra byproduct dark matter residue in a closed loop

[fathom shuttle]

If I fully overclock it jumps to 24GW

[tawdry plank]

That's more than my main system rn 💀

[fathom shuttle]

Yea that was my main idea for the sloops

[tawdry plank]

Tho to be fair my only big factory rn is only the aluminum one

[shy mulch]

I've got 2, fully slooped and sharded, making 50 power shards per min 😄

[fathom shuttle]

I wanted to do that but it would murder my time crystal production

I have barely 30/min

I’m gonna need to make a bigger diamonds factory for the time crystals

I rescanned some recipes and got the oil based alt already so it should be pretty quick

[unkempt ermine]

should i make more silica or quartz crystal

[shy mulch]

it made sense to me at the time, lemme check how it works, will be a couple mins

[fathom shuttle]

2 250% quantum encoders consume 25/min

[shy mulch]

250% slooped encoder is outputting 25 power shards and 300 DMR
The 300 DMR goes into a particle accellerator running at 150% on the dark matter crystallization alt, so it makes the 300 DMR into 30 DMC, 25 go into the encoder and 5 go elsewhere (can be sink if you want to keep it simple)
The time crystals are a simple 1000 coal -> 100 diamonds -> 50 time crystals line

I've got that setup duplicated, two floors the same. The only input to the factory is 2000 coal and a handful of quartz and it's outputting 50 power shards

Does use a ton of power though

[fathom shuttle]

Not sure what you need 50/min for tbh

You only really need 5/min at most

[shy mulch]

That factory is using 67 GW

[shy mulch]

I have 5 going to storage/depot, and 45 going out by drone to alien power matrix factory which feeds my alien power augmenters

[spark ruin]

but you do on the RX 6800 XT

[tawdry plank]

Yeah I'm saying that the GTX 1070 has no ray tracing cores

Nothing about the radeon

[spark ruin]

RDNA 3's RT improvement over RDNA 2 was minor
only RDNA 4 from AMD has decent RT

[spark ruin]

even that is like, ampere (RTX 30) level i think

[tawdry plank]

Yeah true I've only tried the 7800xt at a friend. I have more knowledge on the 9070s performance

But then again I care about normal performance so I don't care much about RT performance

[spark ruin]

by RT you meant path tracing, right ?
my RX 6600 want 20fps bad on RT

[silk rose]

Yes, only rt available in cyberpunk for amd users.

[spark ruin]

nah you can technically use path tracing

[spark ruin]

it just runs like total garbage

[silk rose]

6800xt, all the fsr enabled, 4k ultras, 20 frames wtf
All same without rt gives 90 frames

[spark ruin]

that cuz lumen isnt really doing ray tracing

at least software lumen

HW lumen does. but no one uses it (cuz it also runs like crap)

[silk rose]

why dont they make sw rt 😢

for it to not be a joke

[reef basin]

isn't all RT SW? 🤔

[spark ruin]

cuz it doesnt look as good as HW RT or if it does, it runs WAY WORSE

[silk rose]

uh cuz they wanna make money i forgot

[spark ruin]

SW RT just means not using the dedicated RT cores on the GPU

[reef basin]

fair

[spark ruin]

BUT, it still runs on the GPU and NOT on the CPU

[silk rose]

i want to replace ones with actually useful cores

[spark ruin]

just saying cuz some dont know that

[spark ruin]

on AMD RT cores are built into the regular cores...
so good luck with that

[silk rose]

wtf

um cut

[spark ruin]

yup, its part of the compute unit

[silk rose]

as i remember there are like thousands of usual cores and like 100 rt ones

so can i just have normal cores there

[spark ruin]

you are thining of shader cores, which are also part of a compute unit
just that i calssify the compute units as cores and not the shader cores

[silk rose]

ah so they could do that

[spark ruin]

if they wanted their costumers to be unable to play some games (doom TDA, indiana jones GC) then yeah AND spend a shite load of money on RnD (cuz you cant just rip out the cores and replace them with something else)

[spark ruin]

all for a tiny bit more performance

[silk rose]

werent even a thing at 2020 when my gpu came out, i thing they just wanted more money

[tidal epoch]

how to tame parrot?

[silk rose]

no way

only doggos

[tidal epoch]

so i just kill it

sad to know

[silk rose]

right away

[spark ruin]

back then, it wasnt, but it still had to support RT for marketing

[silk rose]

yes thats what i mean

[hasty cradle]

Guys why are my nukes spinning

I threw one on the back of my nuclear reactor and now they are spinning

[tidal epoch]

how many drives are there in total?

[silk rose]

bug probly

[silk rose]

like 100

[hasty cradle]

100

[tidal epoch]

bruh really?

i only found 5

[silk rose]

the map is bigger then you think probably

[hasty cradle]

You can scan them later on

[silk rose]

its like 3x3 km

[shy mulch]

There's 116

[tidal epoch]

Damn

[spark ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfFPI8LJrc&t=460s if we assume this is scaled properly for how much space everything takes up on a CU youll see they could barely fint one shader core in place of the RT cores here

[shy mulch]

sorry not 116, it's 118

[silk rose]

oh thank you gonna watch

[spark ruin]

though they dont really point out the shader cores

[daring stag]

relative to the space station building, would you say ending phase 3 is half of the way? or more?

[silk rose]

my gpu isnt rdna 4 tho

[spark ruin]

true, but on RDNA 2 even less space was dedicated to RT and it was less than half as powerfull sooo...

[silk rose]

i want that 10% more fps

or 2%

[spark ruin]

then just overclock your GPU

voala, +2% performance

[silk rose]

i dont have backup

backup is 1070ti

[spark ruin]

you dont need one

just raise max power and core frequency in the driver

and pray to god it doesnt crash : )

[silk rose]

no i dont want it that much

to risk my setup becoming 2017 top

[spark ruin]

you cant kill your GPU like that

the worst that can happen is you crash a bunch of times and the driver resets you to factory settings

[silk rose]

actually i wanted to undervolt it

[spark ruin]

and you stop crashing

[silk rose]

for it to live longer

[thick crater]

can i do a emote just by pressing a key?

i want a certain emote too

[spark ruin]

that is actually better idea than OC, makes your card more efficient and faster (as long as you increase the max frequency)

[silk rose]

can only recommend macro

[spark ruin]

hold T ? ( i think)

[silk rose]

i think he wants to bind emote to key

i think its possible with hotbar binds

i dont really use emotes cuz i have only one friend playing with me

(and he gets fuse broken thing irl sometimes)

[spark ruin]

i dont really use emotes cuz i ~~have only one friend playing with me ~~ am alone, no friends 😭

[silk rose]

got like 5 friends playing factory but only 1 stayed

[daring stag]

I tried to have a friend play with me but he has a child so.. no luck

and anyway he didn't want to build factories but I think this game is more than that, exploration & stuff

[silk rose]

its fun for certain type of mind

[spark ruin]

but mostly, Ze factory must grow

[silk rose]

and you can only guess if your friend will like it

[daring stag]

for it to grow it means you have to do some swamp cleaning..

[silk rose]

it even is my yearbook quote lmao

[daring stag]

I'm still scared shitless when I have to spawn a miner in the horror areas

[spark ruin]

you mena the swamp

[still rock]

wussup

[silk rose]

never going to red forest after that gas stinger jumpscare

[spark ruin]

[spark ruin]

god, those spider are still scary as fauck

[silk rose]

they do tssseeeeeeiiieiieyey and jump to your face

[daring stag]

they are worse than spiders tbh

[spark ruin]

gues you are also never getting aluminum then

[silk rose]

i better deal with nuclear hogs in titan forest

[daring stag]

but at least I got their move pattern. they don't move randomly. strafe, charge/jump, strafe, repeat

[spark ruin]

wel, i suppose you can get it elsewhere too

[silk rose]

yes when they jump you just go forward and they miss

[still rock]

The Factory must grow

[daring stag]

I have 2000 homing ammo and 400 turbo jetpack fuel to handle these hellish creatures

[still rock]

right?

[silk rose]

indeed

[spark ruin]

not enough, better get nukes !

[daring stag]

I'm only on phase 3 I don't think I have that

[silk rose]

'for educational purposes'

[still rock]

at least u progressed

[spark ruin]

i honetly like cluster nobs more than nukes TBH

[still rock]

im at phase 1

[daring stag]

as I was saying, the Leviathans in Subnautica are less scary and they are 100 meters long

[silk rose]

right place for advice then

good server

[still rock]

yea I would love for someone to help me do a kind of efficient, kind of starter factory

[spark ruin]

ahh...
on my first playthrough subnautice they did scare me more than the spiders
especially that building of terror when go down to the lava caverns in your cyclops and all you hear is the sea dragons roars

[still rock]

cuz mine aint that efficient

[silk rose]

anything is less scary than melee fight with alpha stinger

[spark ruin]

but now, they are more scary for sure

[daring stag]

well you can't kill the leviathans, but they can't kill you either, and they don't chase you

and also they don't trigger the ape brain instincts as much

[spark ruin]

yet...
maybe they change that in the sequel

that would be awesome IMO

[daring stag]

idk about the sequel not sure it's going well

think Subnautica was lightning in a bottle, below zero wasn't great and now the ceo is fired

[spark ruin]

i dont care about the drama much TBH, everyone directly working on the game is still there, so i havent lost hope yet

[daring stag]

no melee fight these demons for me, full jetpack and full auto

[silk rose]

'full auto in the building'

[unkempt blade]

the trick is just to hit them repeatedly with the explorer

[daring stag]

well I sure hope too that they succeed. subnautica 1 was really great

[spark ruin]

BZ was worse cuz it was too loud, i can only pay so much attention to roars if i hear them every 2 seconds and im at like 10m underwater

[still rock]

no full auto in building

[silk rose]

with factory cart

[unkempt blade]

only on a level paved surface otherwise good luck making contact but I like your style!

[silk rose]

assuming your nickname

[daring stag]

btw which is the better satisfactory build tool.. satisfactory calculator?

[silk rose]

head

[unkempt blade]

my favorite move with scary satisfactory stuff is still to blueprint a cage and drop the BP on them

[still rock]

yo u playin rn?

[silk rose]

lmao

[reef basin]

SCIM calculator is kinda meh and in some cases can't even show some production lines

[silk rose]

you want me to help?

[daring stag]

the other is sf tool?

[still rock]

if u want to, yes please

[silk rose]

dm me

[spark ruin]

use SF tools if you dont wanna get shamed for daring to use SCIM

[reef basin]

SFTools are one of other options, yeah

[spark ruin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[spark ruin]

plus, it is actually better than SCIM

[tall plover]

Is there any way to place things between the grids?

between the spaces where it snaps onto the next grid

[reef basin]

build it on a different grid 🙂

[tall plover]

doesnt work

[austere dune]

I have a question

Can I run Satisfactory on Linux using a compatibility layer like Wine or Proton?

Update: yes i can

[spark ruin]

i thought that if a game supports vulkan you automatically can 🤔

[austere dune]

I can certainly play it

It's set to DX12 by default so I'm gonna set it to use Vulkan

[south cliff]

No that's not how that works.
But Proton often uses DXVK which is a directx to vulkan translator

[south cliff]

I'd recommend sticking to DX12 even on Linux

[spark ruin]

okay, didnt know that

[daring stag]

damn 1000 homing ammo spent just for 3 wreckage 5 spheres

well at least we arent limited to only a knife like subnautica

[torn furnace]

is there any mod or tools that can tell me where did i found the 1 time ressources ( slugs / sphere / Somersloops and reckage), or the one i'm missing. (unless there is already an ingame item for that). the scanner dosen't show recages for example for more hard drives, and dosen't show me on the map the things i found.

[fathom shuttle]

Oh well that makes sense now lol

[fathom shuttle]

Satisfactory calculator, it has an interactive map

[torn furnace]

will have a look then =)

[daring stag]

nah he wants to know if he already collected it I think

maybe some mod does that

[fathom shuttle]

You can upload your save and it will show you all the information you need
You can also edit it

[daring stag]

ah that's what it does neat

well for now I prefer exploring at random for the first playthrough

first playthrough is always the best one

[fathom shuttle]

Your scanner will show you what you haven’t explored yet

[daring stag]

you mean the handheld?

[torn furnace]

same , its just knowing what i have already collected so i don't look at the same place twice for nothing specialy since i play with a friend and i don't know where he gose some times.

[fathom shuttle]

It won’t guide you to the same wreckage after you’ve collect the hard drive

[daring stag]

neat. tbh I didn't know the handheld scanner could detect wreckage, must be a late research

[fathom shuttle]

You can get it early on in the quartz research tree if you have computers unlocked

[daring stag]

yeah I might have unlocked it