satisfactory

[willow oar]

Feels very cheaty with all the hard drive locations

[trim vine]

turn that off, turn off everything except your buildings

[hard ivy]

it's off by default

[willow oar]

But will it say what my buildings are doing, or only that I have a building here ?

[trim vine]

Yes

[trim vine]

It shows building, whats it doing, if its powered, whats inside of it, etc etc etc, clock speeds

shows foundations, power lines, and much much more

Basically, if its player built, it will display it

[willow oar]

but it's not a mod ingame, it's a map on the web right?

[trim vine]

Correct, but all of our maps are the same, so unless you are locked to a single monitor/dont like alt tabbing, it does work wonders.

You can put down map markers if you want

[fluid sapphire]

generally you really dont need to remember what every single machine is doing

[wicked nacelle]

it's a single player/coop game, you get to decide what is cheating 🙂

[violet fiber]

Could anyone hop into my game and help me with train signals?? It's my first time and I'm having a bit of trouble figuring it out.

I have a post here if you'd rather participate async!

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1393454163345539082

[willow oar]

I want to see where are stuff small range, not at the other side of the map, and I only have 1 monitor and am REALLY bad with directions

[trim vine]

Map markers then mate, with your HUD you'll be fine

[willow oar]

you can't zoom in enough for me, I was looking for a way to easily find stuff that is very close to each other, seems I need to build it that way then :/

[trim vine]

Do you have signs unlocked?

That or you can just press F, hover dismantle, and look at bins and see whats inside of them

[willow oar]

I can put things on the map, and hightlight them, I suppose it's what you're talking about

I put my save on the map site, most interesting thing I see there are my paths, I'd like to see that ingame

[trim vine]

Yes, and you can either set the range to limited or unlimited, depending on how far away you want to be able to see it on your HUD

[pallid pond]

i reasearched "scannable resource: power slugs" in the MAM but when i press V to scan for resources it doesnt show up

[hard ivy]

you need the object scanner

[trim vine]

Object Scanner, not the resource scan

[willow oar]

BTW why are some parts of the map are still black while I DID go there?

[trim vine]

Elevation, you werent high enough

[willow oar]

oh

thanks

Do putting the save calculator it created in my folder let me look IG like on this map here?

If not I don't get what it does

[chrome kestrel]

You can choose to discover the whole map for then to download the save and use that ingame

[fluid sapphire]

what

[willow oar]

I like the roads / electricity / pipes I see on https://satisfactory-calculator.com and would like to see it IG

You can't share a screenshot on this discord?

[chrome kestrel]

Nah, that wont be included

[willow oar]

:/

[elder apex]

if you really want to see that sort of stuff in game, there is the Cartograph mod - > https://ficsit.app/mod/Cartograph

[willow oar]

That looks interesting!

[willow oar]

I'm ingame and it seems to be exatly the same as the outgame map others showed me, but it's ingame, that's prettt good, thanks

[elder apex]

glad you like it

plus it is completely vanilla friendly IIRC

[fluid sapphire]

is there another way of tracking down power fluctuations, other than running around trying to find a yellow light?

[hard ivy]

you can narrow down the type of building by looking at the amount the power changes by

but like I wouldn't bother. you won't be able to have a flat power graph in the endgame anyway

the power savings are negligible

[wicked nacelle]

oh you mean by like... detuning the last machine to 82% or whatever?

[fluid sapphire]

my "OCD"

[wicked nacelle]

late game machines have variable power requirements over time

and also it's silly not to take geothermal plants when you see them (they have varying power production)

[fluid sapphire]

i have a variety of setups, some have machines tuned at the end of rows, some machine blocks have a non-default speed across the whole block

[fluid sapphire]

idk, they generate so little power i personally dont see it as worth it

maybe very early game

[hard ivy]

it's only 7GW. I don't bother either

[fathom shuttle]

Amazing

The first truck path i do is straight up broken lol

[fluid sapphire]

its like a bug in the code. very specific, consistent number

i know that for all practical purposes, it doesnt really matter, its just driving me crazy

[hard ivy]

if you were getting inconsistent numbers, it would mean multiple machines are turning on and off

[fluid sapphire]

i used to, i already did a pass over every factory in an attempt to fix my errors

[white dawn]

Do you have trains in your factories?

[hard ivy]

how much is it changing?

[fluid sapphire]

no trains running

[white dawn]

Sinks turning on/off? They only consume full power when actively sinking; not sure what the power cooldown is on those

[fluid sapphire]

its 15.9MW, lasts about 4 or 6 seconds, happens sometimes once per 15 seconds, sometimes it takes a minute

[hard ivy]

you sure it's not 14.9?

[fluid sapphire]

for real? i thought they were consistent

[white dawn]

If you have vehicle stations, I think they only consume full power when actively loading/unloading, too

[hard ivy]

14.9 would be a sink

[fluid sapphire]

no trains, no vehicles of any kind

[white dawn]

It's possible I'm wrong

Been awhile and I tend to not look that closely. :)

[hard ivy]

no, I'm wrong it would be 29.9

[fluid sapphire]

i have a ton of sinks everywhere, that should mean i would have wilder fluctuations

[hard ivy]

15.9 would be a foundry

if it's at 100% speed

[white dawn]

Hm, wiki page on sinks says The AWESOME Sink does not consume power if it is not doing any work, much like other buildings. but that's not very specific

And yeah, it'd be 29.9 if it was a sink

[silk ocean]

Does it seem a bit restrictive there are only 106 sloops and Bacon doesn't regrow? xD

[rigid glen]

when almost everything else is infinite, I don't think so

one bit of restriction which forces a choice isn't so bad

[white dawn]

Intentional game balance decisions. It might be restrictive, but it's intentionally so

[silk ocean]

Very true

[hard ivy]

eh, I don't like that in a factory building sandbox

[fathom shuttle]

Bro wtf is this

[hard ivy]

it doesn't really fit

[silk ocean]

I would agree yes, some high value items need a careful choice where to use

[rigid glen]

That's what mods are for then

or advanced mode

[silk ocean]

I played in Update 7 so doing a fresh play in 1.1 first, for achievements. Maybe next I'll do a modded play

[fathom shuttle]

Trucks are very buggy

[fluid sapphire]

that should mean that the foundry should either be backed up at the ouput, OR starving for resources, i dont seem to have such a foundry

[hard ivy]

foundry, not refinery

[fluid sapphire]

typo

[hard ivy]

idle consumption is 0.1 MW, so 15.9 fluctuation would mean a 16 MW consumption

well, 15.95 to 16.05 probably

[fluid sapphire]

ah. thats good to know

[solemn crystal]

ok so im kinda new to this multiplier stuff with the somersloops, how does it work, does it work like power shards, or does it multiply how much output comes out

[wicked nacelle]

same inputs but between 1.25-2x the ouput for a LOT more power used if a machine uses 1, 1 gives 2x. if a machine uses 4, 1 gives extra 25%

[rigid glen]

Increases output only

[solemn crystal]

ah

[rigid glen]

(and power usage)

but input materials are unaffected

[wicked nacelle]

be careful slooping big machines -- power can easily get into the gigawatts. Also, you basically always want to 250% overclock your slooped machines

[solemn crystal]

i see now
so if my smelter uses 1 iron ore for 1 iron ingot, putting in somersloops makes it give 2 iron ingots from 1 iron ore? thats neat

[spring gust]

yo wtf i just found a hog with a jetpack and it tried to kamikaze me

[wicked nacelle]

I suppose, but that's a HUGE waaste - the further downstream you sloop the more resources it effectively doubles

[spring gust]

wtf is this 😭

[undone yarrow]

That's Johnny

[solemn crystal]

its an analogy or example or whatever fancy word

[hard ivy]

That's Johnny. Go say hi 🙃

[rigid glen]

late game biomes are hard

[undone yarrow]

He drops his jetpack for you

[wicked nacelle]

"example"

[trim vine]

its an easter egg that gives you a jetpack early in the game when you might not otherwise be able to obtain one

[wicked nacelle]

but you still have to fuel it. so....

[solemn crystal]

youre lucky it was a normal hog
i got the radioactive hog with the jetpack

[spring gust]

i already have a hoverpack but its still funny

[trim vine]

It does work with solid biofuel tho

[undone yarrow]

Different use cases but fair

[wicked nacelle]

if you sloop your manufacturer, for example, it's the same as just making a second manufacturer but having everything that feeds it slooped

[hard ivy]

it still works on Solid Biofuel, albeit very badly

[wicked nacelle]

well enough to land safely I suppose. but so does a parachute

[trim vine]

quite the understatement xD

[trim vine]

but.... jetpack

[solemn crystal]

i get it

[hard ivy]

ironically, the parachute is better for climbing cliffs than a jetpack with SBF

[solemn crystal]

edit save file
give yourself 1000 ionized fuel XD

[wicked nacelle]

how does it help with climbing?

[hard ivy]

grind against an angled wall and you go up

[solemn crystal]

getting to the other edge

[wicked nacelle]

that's funny.

[rigid glen]

while parachuting, if you hit ground that is sloped you can move upwards along a cliff face or hillside

[solemn crystal]

one time i accelerated with slide jumping so fast i just hit a wall and got sent up

[rigid glen]

new parachute is the best

[solemn crystal]

with a parachute of course

[silk ocean]

Is there a way to copy an existing segment into a blueprint, Factorio style?

[hard ivy]

no

not without mods/save editing at least

and even with, idk

[silk ocean]

Hmm, I think that would be a good feature. I don't want to have to spend an hour rebuilding in the Blueprint editor :/

[solemn crystal]

what do you mean by that?

[hard ivy]

what kinda BP takes an hour to build?

[silk ocean]

Select the area that is already built, copy/paste, or copy into a blueprint

[frozen ingot]

you can build inside of the blueprint designer if that's what you mean

[solemn crystal]

as in put a blueprint in a blueprint?

[rigid glen]

I think thewy mean take a snapshot of an existing building and then adding that bit to a blueprint

[solemn crystal]

oh as in not built inside bp desginer into bp designer?

[silk ocean]

Just like Factorio if you played that, select a live area, copy/paste, or copy and blueprint it

[solemn crystal]

ah

no thats basically impossible

[rigid glen]

Unfortunately not now, but I'd guess techincally possible if they can figure out a way to make a 3d selection box to make the capture

[solemn crystal]

i mean to be fair they made the blueprint designer for that feature

[silk ocean]

Yea I appreciate the Z-axis adds complexity

or Y axis

or whichever axis.. Z-axis is from the camera right xD?

[solemn crystal]

speaking of z axis
did you know that nudge mode can make floating buildings

[hard ivy]

minecraft has Y as vertical but I'm pretty sure it's Z in most games

[silk ocean]

I think I saw that in a video a while ago but not sure, interesting xD

[rigid glen]

z is vertical per my 3d printers

[solemn crystal]

i know its z axis because of unreal engine
i work on games

[silk ocean]

Z is usually the Z-Depth (buffer), i.e. distance from camera viewport?

[solemn crystal]

not always

[rigid glen]

There will be exceptions in all fields and all cases 😛

[silk ocean]

Yea I guess so xD

[solemn crystal]

minecraft never changed the standard

guys i have a question

is there any way to automate biomass?

[rigid glen]

90%, you still have to gather mats

[wicked nacelle]

no, that's why you want to get to coal. You can use a smart splitter to split different types of bio sources and then 5 or however many constructors to make biomass from each and then a solid biomass constructor to build that -- and then just throw any source into a single container... but... man it's really not worth it 🙂

[solemn crystal]

the 500GW biomass burner tower i made:

[silk ocean]

Did you systematically cut down the entire world xD

[rigid glen]

Once you setup a decent production chain for solid biomass, you'll need to collect very infrequently and should have enough power to jump into coal

[hard ivy]

you can automate everything except gathering biomass

[solemn crystal]

not yet

[solemn crystal]

i know thjat but "ew imagine using set clock generators"

[wicked nacelle]

biomass is intentionally annoying -- and it's less annoying now that it has an input port. Used to be you had to manually refill each every time

[solemn crystal]

cries in early access

[rigid glen]

Agreed, the input port really changes the whole early game for mwe

[wicked nacelle]

it really wasn't that bad. You only had to refuel them a handful of times before you'd unlock coal

[solemn crystal]

a handful was every 5 minutes to me

[wicked nacelle]

100 solid biofuel burns for a LOONG time especially if you have more burners than you need -- you can fill 2x as many half as often

[solemn crystal]

ive probbably had more than 100 fuse breaks before i got to 3-4

[wicked nacelle]

since bioburners burn on demand, you can just build many and it's basically extra fuel for later

[solemn crystal]

yes but no

[wicked nacelle]

and they're worth keeping around for after coal since they are basically "batteries"

[solemn crystal]

because im also using alot of power

[solemn crystal]

power storage:

[rigid glen]

I def overbuilt my burners once the biofuel cycle was up and running

[wicked nacelle]

well now it's not useful since you can just fill a container with fuel and use a belt

other than as a coal backup

[solemn crystal]

anyone remember when coal generators didnt need water

[wicked nacelle]

no

[solemn crystal]

and everyones save file broke because of that

[solemn crystal]

aw

[hard ivy]

that was like U2

[wicked nacelle]

I came in u5? u6?

[hard ivy]

thankfully I started a new save that time anyway

[solemn crystal]

im pretty sure i bought the game few days after release

[solemn crystal]

update 3

[green fiber]

i did. I fixed everything

[hard ivy]

yeah, in U2 they didn't need water, U3 added pipes

at least iirc

[green fiber]

yeah it was U3

[solemn crystal]

i tried to fix everything but i forgot a few generators

and wondered why my power was shit

those generators had power shards

[hard ivy]

I remember powering drop pods with a fuel gen and packaged fuel (which was just fuel)

and oil extractors spat out barrels

[solemn crystal]

those days before pipelines were peak

pipes are the bane of my suffering

[hard ivy]

if it wasn't for sloshing pipes would be totally fine

[solemn crystal]

no matter how much time i spend adjusting the head lift with pumps, it never works

my factory is made entirely on a big tower

so i have to package the water and then use conveyor lifts to the top, then unpackage the water and send the canisters back down

also no it wasnt a tower
it was the conveyor belt tornado i made with a nuclear power plant on the top
just for fun :>

yes i was inspired by letsgameitout

dont ask why i still remember that video

[green fiber]

Head lift problem is kinda a funny skill issue because
You gotta solve it at the source.
and some people just try adding pumps at the end where flow already sucks and then they resort to pump spam

But its fine to just say "no" and package

[solemn crystal]

except my pipes literally point down and with or without pumps it sucks ass

[green fiber]

then its not head lift

[wicked nacelle]

I want mk3 pipes 😦 They would be physically larger and wouldn't connect to buildings but there would be a stepdown converter - but they'd flow 2400/m

[solemn crystal]

the package is a different story
i had better experience after that and just said "no"

[green fiber]

called "packager array"

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, that's what my nitrogen is

[solemn crystal]

why on earth do you need mk3 pipes tho

[wicked nacelle]

water. LOTS of water

[hard ivy]

nuclear

[green fiber]

Average nuclear problems

[solemn crystal]

nuclear power plants only need 600 at max shards tho

[wicked nacelle]

2 belts moves the same liquid liquids as 2 pipes. So not really a huge improvement

[green fiber]

yeah and thats a full pipe per nuke

[solemn crystal]

except who the hell uses nuclear power when APAs exist

[green fiber]

and when you have like 100 nukes (because you decided to go megalomaniac), you're gonna have a fun time

[green fiber]

those who can

[wicked nacelle]

it double sucks because you can't make blueprints of water extractors

[hard ivy]

me an my my 1045 water extractors

[solemn crystal]

dude youre this lazy and this dedicated

[ivory condor]

You can with mods

[solemn crystal]

😔

[wicked nacelle]

you know one offhand that's vanilla friendly?

[solemn crystal]

just why tho

[green fiber]

none of them are vanilla friendly if you want mk 3 pipes or whatever

doesnt exist even

[wicked nacelle]

nono for water extractor blueprints

[hard ivy]

418 nuke plants in U6

[solemn crystal]

are you powering a multi-dimensional player railgun?

[green fiber]

Eh, at that point it IS a nuclear pissing contest

[hard ivy]

(they took 300/min at 100% back then)

[wicked nacelle]

water extractors and running pipes is extremely tedious -- autoconnect helps some but.. meh

[hard ivy]

I wish I could do it again in 1.0 without mods/cheating

but no, ficsonium has to be expensive af

[solemn crystal]

what the hell is an autoconnect ;-;

[wicked nacelle]

?

[solemn crystal]

im sorry ficsonium?

clearly i havent played long enough

[hard ivy]

3rd nuclear fuel rod

[green fiber]

Im not even sure what to say to that anymore.
Plutonium was the max for you before, just stay at that

[solemn crystal]

youre saying theres a 2nd?

[green fiber]

Ficsonium pisses you off yet intrigues you so much at the same time it seems

[hard ivy]

I already did it twice

[wicked nacelle]

I did it but now I want that SAM back so I'm undoing it.

[solemn crystal]

dude what is plutonium

[hard ivy]

it pisses me off how bad it is. why else would I spend weeks making a mod to make it better? I want to make it but it sucks ass

[green fiber]

you have 1 guess to guess what it is

[solemn crystal]

nuclear pisser plant fuel rods?

[green fiber]

correct

[solemn crystal]

lovely

i dont use nuclear plants

of course i dont know this shit

[green fiber]

A fun relationship you have with it

[ivory condor]

Oh crap I just realized only my mod can do it

[wicked nacelle]

your mod is.. rather advanced from what I saw when I checked it out, right?

it didn't look like it had a nice gradual learning curve

[hard ivy]

you know what's even more fun? the graph I'll have to use to build it
#screenshots message

[ivory condor]

Yeah its pretty advanced for a blueprint mod

[solemn crystal]

why do you guys mod satisfactory

[green fiber]

why not

[wicked nacelle]

infinite zoop

i only do vanilla friendly stuff

[solemn crystal]

idk my computer has chance of fucking pissing itself

[solemn crystal]

used to be a bug back then
one time i pointed into the horizon with zoop and my computer crashed

[ivory condor]

True but its vanilla friendly

Aka anything you build will stay and work even if the mod is gone

[solemn crystal]

only on dedicated servers and specifically the personell elevator for some reason

[wicked nacelle]

whihc one is it again, please?

[solemn crystal]

im gonna go play astroneer
cya

[wicked nacelle]

did you buy expansion? is it fun in any different way than the base game? I played the crap out of the base game but then I realized I was really just doing the same shit

[solemn crystal]

yup

i beat the whole thing
even got the deluxe

[solemn crystal]

id say its a cool change of pace and its more fun than the normal game

also you dont need to do planet hopping for atmosphere gas

because it has all the gases

[ivory condor]

Factory skyline, anyways its the only mod I know can do blueprints with water extractors

[wicked nacelle]

is it supposed to work with SMM? I get "So, because installing Factory Skyline (FactorySkyline) ">=0.0.0" and Factory Skyline (FactorySkyline) ">=0.0.0" is forbidden, version solving failed."

[solemn crystal]

@wicked nacelle i dm'd u somthing

[ocean cairn]

is 25x25x1000 (l,w,h) too big for an iron factory?

[ivory condor]

Yes its supposed to work with SMM are you having issues with it?

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, I just told it to install and I got that error message I pasted above -- weird just tried again and it says "already installed"

[ocean cairn]

i am on tier 5 btw

[ivory condor]

Can you follow this up via dm with me?

[wicked nacelle]

sent

[spring gust]

is there a way to lock mouse to center of screen when not in a menu

i like to watch videos in the corner and when i turn the right way my mouse can click on the video by accident

[silk ocean]

Milestone 8 and half of Phase 4.. well that only took a week to scale up XD

[wicked nacelle]

sorry I don't know of anything like that

[peak wasp]

can I ask a question?

[hard ivy]

you just did

[peak wasp]

is this how the someone maxes out a belt?

belt one is 500 and belt two is five hundred going in

#screenshots message

[green fiber]

thats one way

all thats needed to max out a belt is to provide enough materials per minute until you hit the belt throughput limit.
its not magic

[peak wasp]

right but the thing is though...each machine puts out 500 materials

[tall marsh]

How many computers per minute usually needed to complete the game without any troubles?

[peak wasp]

so two machine makes 1000 but a mk5 belt only does 780

that's 220 wasted materials

[wicked nacelle]

keep playing 🙂

[peak wasp]

there is one belt more yes...but this doesn't help me right at this moment

[tall marsh]

You can just make two separate mk5 belts, each one will transfer 500 materials pro minute

[wicked nacelle]

that's kind of the progression of the game 🙂

[tall marsh]

Am I missing something?

[peak wasp]

that's what I did yes

[trim vine]

So, my game has been crashing a lot more, and I read the error, it says "Maximum number of UObjections (2162688) exceeded when trying to add 1 object(s), make sure you updated MaxObjectsInGame ~ in project settings, anyone else have this?

[wicked nacelle]

you can't get them out of the machine to split them.

[peak wasp]

actually what I did is each machine has its own belt

then I am using this to max out the belts

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

mk3 miner pure node full overclock is 1200/m. you have to have a mk6 belt to get full use of it

[tall marsh]

wdym? Two machines, each one transfer 500 materials

[wicked nacelle]

I misread

[peak wasp]

4 machines with 500 materials 🙂

all steel for heavy module frames

[wicked nacelle]

for situations like that it's important to make modular factories where you make some of the things on demand for just a subset of the next tier's production. Like screws. You'll never fit all the screws on one belt. So send ingots and make screws every few machines that eat them.

then just repeat those smaller self-contained modules

[peak wasp]

right I am aware of this 🙂

I am just trying to max out each belt then dividing them

gotta figure out how many materials need to go to each set of machines

[south cliff]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1393681717470171216

[tall marsh]

How much heavy modular frames do you want to produce?

[peak wasp]

oh already got the math done 30 a second

but now I need to figure out how to get exactly the right amount of materials to the steel pipe factory which is a section of this process

actually do I need to?

[wicked nacelle]

no

[dense violet]

This is most easily done by clocking the machines to produce that exact amount abd merging them :/

why are you trying to compress the belts btw?

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, what he said ^^^

[peak wasp]

because my pipe factory needs 540 steel bars...each belt gets 500

so I need to merge one belt so it gets the full 540 steel bars

[dense violet]

The belts look like they are going to the same place? Have 40 bars from one belt make the same item as the 500 belt.

[peak wasp]

right but at that point I mighjt as well merge one belt

[dense violet]

Why? It’s a lot more annoying

[peak wasp]

is it? because yeah this is where it goes

[dense violet]

Well yeah
You need 40 ingots on another manifold used in the same spot

Just one one if the machines on the second manifold use that 40

Clocking is your friend

[peak wasp]

don't mind the sink there...I like to put a sink at the end of a factory so I can make sure all the machines are getting what they need

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

Or clock the machines on the two 500 lines to make the 540 abd 460 you need

Plan your groups and clocking will save you so much grief and work

It’s the single most powerful tool you have

[peak wasp]

well my idea is just to max out the belt because machines can't get more then they need...if they do they will max out the storage

[dense violet]

What?

What does that mean?

[peak wasp]

basically my understanding is if the part of the factory would get more then it needs and backs up...and then put a splitter further down the line so when it backs up the backup will go where it actually needs to go

[tall marsh]

Yes, it works like this

[dense violet]

You can put a smart splitter at the end of a manifold and do this

[wicked nacelle]

you can put the splitter anywhere and as long as you have sufficient supply it will work exactly the same

[dense violet]

Are you not using all that steel?

[peak wasp]

if I merge it into one line it will have 220 steel not being used..

[loud leaf]

someone look at #screenshots and tell me why the splitter isnt working

[peak wasp]

but the factories there will get what they need and backup into the the factories that do need it

[wicked nacelle]

just try remaking it

[loud leaf]

i have to remake it like 3 times and this happens almost everytime i use a splitter or merger

[spring gust]

i just got the craft for propulsion rockets this is evil

[fluid sapphire]

are you building the splitter on the conveyor? put down the splitter first, and connect belts to it

[wicked nacelle]

oh and if you put a merger/splitter on a belt seam it will just silently not work

[dense violet]

Ok so why is it impossible for you to just put 540 on the belt from the foundries?

[loud leaf]

oh

why can i even place it there if it doesnt work

[wicked nacelle]

You're not the first to ask that question, believe me

[fluid sapphire]

welcome to your journey of discovery of the weird quirks the building system has, strap in, its gonna be a ride

[peak wasp]

each machine makes 500 steel so I need to merge later on....that means it will backup

[wicked nacelle]

I don't do that -- so much harder to line things up. I just build a long belt, put down the splitter/mergers on it, then for the last one that fits, delete the tail of the belt and then drag a new long one out

[dense violet]

Clock them slightly differently?

[peak wasp]

I rather not or it would waste some of the sloops I was using

if I am using a sloop I wanna use the entire sloop

[dense violet]

Sloops are often the cause of people’s issues

Don’t know can’t people love duping so much

[frank narwhal]

one thing i thought of is, how do the pioneers shower? there's a toilet in the hub but no shower? maybe they could add like a house building thing in the next update. just a thought tho, this doesn't need to be taken seriously.

[dense violet]

Then do the other option and use 40 ingots seperately

[fluid sapphire]

i dont find it hard at all, theres the guiding lines and infinite nudge so 🤷‍♂️

[south sinew]

nobody else can smell them so why bother

[wicked nacelle]

but the splitters snap to the right spots when on the belt

If we were to race I'd win 🙂

[frank narwhal]

wouldn't they get an infection or something? like mildew?

[south sinew]

just jump in the lake from time to time

[peak wasp]

yeah I was just gonna merge the belt let it backup into where it needs to go

[south sinew]

but also, you have to not shower for a very long time before it becomes a medical problem

just ask yourself if people cross the Sahara how long they go between anything like a shower

probably months at least

[frank narwhal]

fair point, but most desert civilisations were built around water sources

[south sinew]

yeah, but trekking between them not so much

[frank narwhal]

so they could shower/bathe if needed

[dense violet]

I have literally painted you a picture on how to trivialy solve this in #math-and-meta

this was my first suggestion which you ignored ... for reasons

[frank narwhal]

and would most likely map routes to oasis' for drinking/bathing water

[south sinew]

there's not that many oases, better to carry the water with you

[frank narwhal]

true

[shy mulch]

Just find a camel and drink it's hump

[south sinew]

really, I'm not exactly sure how long you can go between showers before it's a genuine problem, but probably quite some time, otherwise it would be a serious evolutionary disadvantage

[shy mulch]

regular showers and bathing are a relatively recent thing, 200 years ago washing yourself was like a weekly or monthly event at best

[frank narwhal]

i'm just curious as to how or even if they shower. you'd think ficsit would install a shower into the hub if they put in a toilet. i know they're meant to be a crappy company, but i dout they'd forget such things to aid in a pioneers personal hygiene.

[south sinew]

I'm sure they don't care at all about the pioneer's hygiene

[dense violet]

you're covered head to toe in uniform and likely don't sweat. Why would you need a shower?

[frank narwhal]

personal hygiene

[dense violet]

oh, you're under the impression the pioneer isn't a robot 😛

[frank narwhal]

i mean they eat and have a brain according to ADA

[jolly kindle]

how does a pioneer eat though. you just mash the food into the helmet.

[frank narwhal]

my personal theory is it's similar to how Mando ate/drinked at the start of the series, just take the helmet off enough to eat it.

[dense violet]

just shoves it against the helmet and thinks they're eating

brains can be inorganic 🙂

[jolly kindle]

also eating is only a heal mechanic. you don't need to eat.

youd heal over time without eating, eating only speeds things up.

[dense violet]

Simulated organic interactions to help keep the slave personality docile

come on... a berry fixing a broken arm?

[frank narwhal]

all this from a stupid question i thought of... what have i started?

[jolly kindle]

the berry is being broken down into its constituent parts to be used to repair the body of the pioneer.

[dense violet]

it's a classic topic on server xD

[dense violet]

only a robot body could do it that fast

[bitter flicker]

is there any way to quickly swap between jetpack and hoverpack?

[frank narwhal]

ALL THIS CAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE PIONEER'S PERSONAL HYGIENE! i think i'll take me leave now.

[fluid sapphire]

ya'll. i hooked up a sink to a biomass burner to test its power usage. sinks indeed only use power while they are munching items, and consume the usual 0.1MW when idle. my mind is absolutely blown. i was going crazy trying to fix my math everywhere

[jolly kindle]

thats my point. More evidence the pioneer is not organic and doesnt need personal hygiene. Its all a facade to create docile workers.

[dense violet]

probably just the same slave mind copied into infinite bodies

they count as hard ware to get around OSHA

[solemn crystal]

guys do any of you have experience with the game undertale

it says that monster food turns perfectly into energy

[dense violet]

only disliking it

[solemn crystal]

what if satisfactory food turns perfectly into health

[dense violet]

because it's monsters?
or because it's made of people?

[jolly kindle]

yes, when you press tab the equipment shortcuts at the top correspond to the number keys. When sorted with no food in your inventory the jetpack/hoverpacks are number one. So press tab-1-tab and you'll switch packs.

[solemn crystal]

maybe its just different kinds of food

[dense violet]

Robot food!

[solemn crystal]

massage something ab food

MASSAGE-2(A-B)b

[jolly kindle]

there is a bug where if your cursor is hovering over an item in your inventory youll throw the pack into the dimentional depot for some reason. So keep your cursor out of the inventory space or keep it mostly empty.

[bitter flicker]

tab - 1 sometimes equip sometimes uploads to cloud

[jolly kindle]

yeah bug

[bitter flicker]

:/

[solemn crystal]

one time i was falling and i tried to quickly switch to my jetpack to break my fall but it just uploaded it to the depot 💀

[wicked nacelle]

Shift clicking is normally plenty fast enough

[bitter flicker]

im seeing that it bugs if you swap, you dont use it and then swap again

[solemn crystal]

not when falling from your height limit human-railgun

[bitter flicker]

but if you swap, use new then swap again it works fine

[jolly kindle]

if you keep the inventory mostly empty it shouldnt happen. Because I have the depots fully upgraded I only keep equipment in the inventory.

[wicked nacelle]

Not sure tab 1 is fast enough then. There really should be one item and a hotkey for switching between electric and fuel
Power

[solemn crystal]

yes but when you dismantle it clogs ur inventory

[bitter flicker]

yes, tab1 is pretty bad by itself

[solemn crystal]

we need to add delete items after dismantle button or just upload to cloud

[jolly kindle]

make sure take from inventory is checked at top of depot. Then just visit a sink every so often.

[solemn crystal]

could work

[jolly kindle]

If you just need to get rid of stuff there is the trash you can drag stuff to in your inventory as well.

[solemn crystal]

too slow

guys i have a question

how do you guys get rid of excess heavy oil/water/liquid

[jolly kindle]

cntrl-drag to trash removes all stacks of similar items.

[fluid sapphire]

thats the neat part, you dont

[wicked nacelle]

What is this “excess” you speak of?

[jolly kindle]

easiest way is to package and sink it.

[solemn crystal]

my aluminum refinery makes water
i dont want to perfect macro the water at the moment
how do i just
edelete it

[wicked nacelle]

Look for a recipe that uses it. Or with water you can burn it with coal

[bitter flicker]

lmao its true, with empty inventory works fine, it bugs with no using (double swapping) + having inventory. too bad my inventory is always almost full

[jolly kindle]

but use it for something

[solemn crystal]

cries in plastic shortage

[wicked nacelle]

Make a plant that is only fed by wastewater and send bauxite to that one first. If there’s waste water it will use it. If there isn’t the normal one will use it

[fluid sapphire]

you cant delete it

[solemn crystal]

i am gonna drink it

[wicked nacelle]

You actually can. You can drag it to the trash can

But obviously that doesn’t scale 🙂

[jolly kindle]

oil/heavy oil can be turned into fuel and burned. combine water with limestone with wet concrete and sink that.

[solemn crystal]

ok i found the simple solution

[fluid sapphire]

hurhur technically we are talking about automatic deletion of course

[wicked nacelle]

But for aluminum just make aluminum with it

[solemn crystal]

i just make 20 industrual containers

hmmm....

oh i got it

ill just

i forgot

🥶

[jolly kindle]

I did feed my aluminum excess water back in and it worked for half of it. the other half with the same setup didnt work and backed up eventually. no idea why.

[solemn crystal]

what the fk is a wet concrete

[fluid sapphire]

fking great recipe is what

[jolly kindle]

alternate recipe.

[wicked nacelle]

You don’t feed it back onto itself. You feed another entire setup that gets no fresh water ever

[solemn crystal]

please tell me what an alternative recipe is

[wicked nacelle]

You can do it by self recycling but the brain dead way is another set of refineries

[fluid sapphire]

find hard drives at crash site, plop them in the MAM, kaboom, recipes

[jolly kindle]

Find any hard drives yet? Feed them to the MAM.

[solemn crystal]

i just awesome sinked my hard drives

[jolly kindle]

oof

[solemn crystal]

so uhhh yea

[sharp bay]

you can do that?

[jolly kindle]

that shouldnt be possible

[solemn crystal]

not until i altered the games code no

[sharp bay]

what?

[solemn crystal]

i altered the games code so i could sink hard drives

[fluid sapphire]

wtf you talking about willis

[solemn crystal]

that simple

[jolly kindle]

there is a reason you shouldnt sink hard drives.

[sharp bay]

honestly the real question is why he altered the game code

[solemn crystal]

so i could sink hard drives 🤷‍♂️

[sharp bay]

still same question

[grizzled lotus]

when building foundations is there a way slightly rotate it like in nudge mode?

[fluid sapphire]

and somehow you are here now asking what an alternate recipe is, what?

[jolly kindle]

do they give an obsurd amount of tickets or something

[fluid sapphire]

you cant even sink them

[solemn crystal]

no i just made them give 1 point

[sharp bay]

yes you can by first hovering the hologram on another foundation

[jolly kindle]

you can buy hard drives from the shop for 100 tickets each

[solemn crystal]

mhm

[fluid sapphire]

bro this has the vibe of that 5 year old cousin telling a story that totally happened

[wicked nacelle]

Ponce you unlock that you can. But that’s mid late game

Late mid game?

[sharp bay]

or just a schizo

[solemn crystal]

maybe

but seriously what the hells the use of the hard drives if i shoudnt sink them

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, seriously

[sharp bay]

this sounds like absolute bait

[wicked nacelle]

I tried making a display of them but you can’t really control where they go and if they are close they automatically stack

[solemn crystal]

thats because it kinda is

[sharp bay]

i guess we should just ignore this guy

[grizzled lotus]

doesn't seem to work

[solemn crystal]

i know the use of hard drives i just dont like alt recipies

[sharp bay]

you have to hold ctrl

[grizzled lotus]

I did, it just makes it rotate 90 degrees

[wicked nacelle]

Oil basically requires alts. Everything else is okay without them

[solemn crystal]

mm nah

[sharp bay]

are you hovering the hologram ONTOP of the foundation?

[solemn crystal]

my factory says otherwise

[reef basin]

Then... don't get them?

[solemn crystal]

i know i just sink them

[wicked nacelle]

You can always place a beam at whatever angle you want and then snap it to the beam.

[fluid sapphire]

whats not to like about alt recipes

[sharp bay]

he's just baiting for attention

[solemn crystal]

the fact that its basically gambling?

[reef basin]

Don't get the drives 🙂

[sharp bay]

his sentences doesn't even make sense

[reef basin]

It's not, since you can get all

[fluid sapphire]

can you get off your low effort bait train, thanks

[solemn crystal]

could work

[smoky forge]

you should try out some, they are mostly op

[grizzled lotus]

I tried that first, but I can't get teh beam at the angle I want.

maybe I'm asking too much of this railway, I'll just slap whatever on

[solemn crystal]

wait so youre saying with enough drives i can get every recipe?
i thought its just random generated

[smoky forge]

yes

[sharp bay]

you can maybe find a tutorial on youtube to do them

[reef basin]

Yes, there's more drives than alt recipes

[wicked nacelle]

What angle do you want? You can do anything in Freeform mode

[smoky forge]

plus you can buy some for 100 tickets

[solemn crystal]

oh great more drives to shred

[fluid sapphire]

no, silly, there are more drives than recipes, and you can buy drives from the shop

[smoky forge]

(wich i dont recomend)

[wicked nacelle]

You connect any two arbitrary points in the game

[grizzled lotus]

yes, but I'mt rying to make straighter lines

[solemn crystal]

shucks :C

[jolly kindle]

if you start unlocking alts early and dont unlock the next tier until you have all alts of the previous tier unlocked its not gambling.

[solemn crystal]

bro what

[grizzled lotus]

I'll look at more tutorials, although a lot of them are more complex than what I need

[wicked nacelle]

Straight based on what fundamental angle?

[grizzled lotus]

also, I recall making straighter railways was much easier in 1.0

[sharp bay]

tell us your definition of gambling

[fluid sapphire]

the pool of recipes only includes stuff you have unlocked, you cant unlock recipes for things you cant produce normally

[solemn crystal]

loot boxes

[wicked nacelle]

What is the start line that you want to be straight with?

[smoky forge]

imo i would just wait with the scanning because there arent really all that much good recepies in earlygame

[grizzled lotus]

it's just a very straight railway with no curves

[sharp bay]

and how does that associates with scanning hard drives for recipes?

[solemn crystal]

dude even if i get any good alt recipies now its kinda too late because ive pracitically finished my factory and now im just making aesthetics

[jolly kindle]

if you really want to get a specific recipe scan a drive let it finish the ten minutes save and then save scum the rerolls until you get the one you want.

[solemn crystal]

hard drive is a loot box
the alt recipies are loot
and you gotta keep opening drives to finally hit good recipies

[wicked nacelle]

And it’s not on a foundation and you want one for it or?

[smoky forge]

for example, pure or leached recepies for the ingot types

[sharp bay]

looking at your actions so far i doubt you're anywhere near done with the game yet or you're just being silly

[fluid sapphire]

wildest take bro

there is no money involved

[smoky forge]

they most of the time have a 50% or even 100% gain on item value

[solemn crystal]

im at tier 8 almost tier 9

just waiting for the project assembly parts

[smoky forge]

how

[sharp bay]

you're 100% right about this giving the vibes of a 5 year old

[reef basin]

All recipes are good

[smoky forge]

just how, altern. rec. are such an essencial game aspect

[solemn crystal]

maybe i do

[jolly kindle]

There is a setting that unlocks all alt recipes at the start if you dont want to deal with drives.

[grizzled lotus]

I don't know how to explain it. What I used to do was make completely straight railways first (leading into a station and out of another), and leave gaps. after the straight lines are done I connect the end points, this way I get railways that aren't too curvy and make you nauseous

[sharp bay]

yeah he's baiting he's been saying that for many times already

[solemn crystal]

dude do you want to see my save file

[smoky forge]

gime

[solemn crystal]

alright

[sharp bay]

what do you even want at this point?

[solemn crystal]

ill dm you

[smoky forge]

wait ss or a file?

[solemn crystal]

sharing opinions

[solemn crystal]

file, whole thing

[sharp bay]

i'm pretty sure you're forcing it

[smoky forge]

thats this discord in general lol

[grizzled lotus]

for some reason I either forgot how or it's not as easy in 1.1

[solemn crystal]

when was i forcing it

i just said i dont like hard drives

[smoky forge]

you realy should

[solemn crystal]

youre the one forcing the opinion

[smoky forge]

every time i got one on radar i YEAT to em and collect em like pokemon

[solemn crystal]

its my way of playing

[jolly kindle]

just turn the unlock all alt recipes option on next playthrough.

[fluid sapphire]

guy has never played a game with any randomization in their life

[leaden ether]

That is still exactly the way you do it now. Maybe you need to be a teeny bit more careful about making sure the beginning point of your straight section is actually pointed straight, but overall I find it no harder than in 1.0

[reef basin]

That's fine, but it's not gambling since you can get all anyway

[sharp bay]

yknow i don't think this is worth my time to argue

[solemn crystal]

ok then dont argue

[sharp bay]

true

[smoky forge]

anti casino guy

[solemn crystal]

im muslim
gambling is haram

(prohibited)

[quiet ginkgo]

When did they change the physics?
Earlier the slide/jump had decent speed but it was a constant speed
But now i can build up some insane amount of speed with the slide/jump

Havent really played much since Update 8 i think it was

[solemn crystal]

i also realized that

[smoky forge]

ik what haram is but still, considering hard drives as gambling is wild
even for a muslim

[jolly kindle]

blade runners equiped?

[solemn crystal]

i never knew how they worked until a few minutes ago

[grizzled lotus]

will keep that in mind

[fluid sapphire]

the randomization with hard drives has as much similarity to casinos as it does to a brick

[quiet ginkgo]

No blade runners

[smoky forge]

lol so you considering geting some now?

[solemn crystal]

maybe

but like i shredded 11 or soemthing

[jolly kindle]

get blade runners go fast

[smoky forge]

kind of the point of this whole convo lol

[smoky forge]

not much

at all lol

[quiet ginkgo]

I know, but im getting insane speeds without blade runners right now

[solemn crystal]

@smoky forge didnt u say u wanted to see my save to see if i use alts?

[smoky forge]

i think there are like 120?

[smoky forge]

alts? no i just wanted to see a ss

[solemn crystal]

because i think i got like 2 or 3 alts and tried to use them but just gave up

[solemn crystal]

ss of what

[jolly kindle]

ah, there was a change during 1.1 experimental that changed physics a bit. idk what it did exactly.

[smoky forge]

oh alternate recpeies

[smoky forge]

screenshot of some factorys

[solemn crystal]

ah i see

[smoky forge]

or calculations or stuff liek that

[solemn crystal]

imma go get soem sleep

its getting late

[smoky forge]

for example in #screenshots there is my calculation from iron ore to iron ingot

[solemn crystal]

cool

imma go sleep now
goobai

[smoky forge]

bye

[jolly kindle]

g'night

[grizzled lotus]

can I set a tractor to pick different stuff from different truck stations?

or at least pick up fuel from a certain station?

[quiet ginkgo]

Posted a little clip in the #streams-and-videos chat so you can see what i mean by a huge boost in speed

[zinc heron]

#screenshots went from 5 fuel generators to 20
does anyone else build up like this or do most people make the ground floor bigger instead

[fluid sapphire]

more often than not build up

[zinc heron]

i like having one dedicated building take up less space even though im too early in the game to care much

[wicked nacelle]

So you have some arbitrary straight track and you want a foundation aligned to it? I’ll see what I can do when I get home

[zinc heron]

i have 40 fuel generators 30 refineries and 4 water extractors

[smoky forge]

ive started with like 20 coal gens, then jumped to 40 fuel ones and at last ive just made my endgame grid with 700 fuel generators

[fluid sapphire]

up up up
#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

its a good start

[zinc heron]

holy hell how does the end game nuclear power look? i see some videos and they look insanely big but most of them are co op

[grizzled lotus]

lol no this is a different problem

[zinc heron]

i just play solo

[smoky forge]

i didnt start nuclear yet, most players dont do that at all

[zinc heron]

yours looks much better than mine. i havent taken the time for designs i just use regular foundations and walls

[grizzled lotus]

Basically I want to set up a tractor/truck to pick up SAM from a station. but of course it also needs to fuel

[smoky forge]

it looks verry long i believe, because of the 3 or 4 fuel rod loops

[grizzled lotus]

I guess I can attach any coal miner to the fuel slot, hmm

[zinc heron]

i figured based on just how much goes into fuel generators it would take forever to get to a full functioning nuclear plant

[smoky forge]

i would just skip any transportation methode untill you get trains

[sharp bay]

Nuclear waste management aswell

[zinc heron]

i have 11000 mw on my power grid rn with i think 12 coal generators and maybe 20 biomass burners scattered around and the 40 fuel power

[smoky forge]

no its somewhat easy to get a plant running in general, because it uses only items instead of fluids

[zinc heron]

that is going to destroy my brain power to manage

[sharp bay]

Just process the waste then process the processed waste then process the processed processed waste and so on

[shy mulch]

Anyone good with belts in blueprints able to offer me some pointers? My issue is explained in #screenshots

[sharp bay]

Repeat that like 4 times

[zinc heron]

i feel like fluid has got to be the easist. all i did was set crude oil to fuel and the polymer and just re route it into refineries with a awesome shop for the overflow polymer so it can me a continuously running power grid

[smoky forge]

fluids are the hardes of them all, even gasses are easier

[sharp bay]

It's more because of the 600ML/m limit

and how fluids behaves in this game

[zinc heron]

i got 20 fuel generators with 3 power shards on a pure oil spot

[zinc heron]

granted im not TOOO far in the game so this just may seem alot more efficient to me rn

[sharp bay]

That's as simplest as fuel power can get

[fluid sapphire]

my secret is that its really all a variation of a single design that evolves over time and that looks OK from a distance, i try to put some detail in, but mostly the buildings are actually quite sparse in detail

[zinc heron]

than it would to someone late game with power requirements

[smoky forge]

extractors and miners you always charge up to 250 no matter what

[grizzled lotus]

I have trains now, but I also kind of want to set up tractors for smaller distance

[smoky forge]

otherwise u kinda waste the node

[zinc heron]

OHHHHH I MISS READ I WAS THINKING YOU SAID HARDEST

my bad

[zinc heron]

i have 3 power shards on almost all my miners and extractors

[smoky forge]

ive never used tractors nor trucks, fuel always seemed to complicated to me

[smoky forge]

good good

[zinc heron]

some one i met here told me to never use power shards so you can load balance with the base numbers and it made almost 0 sense to me

[smoky forge]

that is somewhat true

but not for pure item creation

he means the power usage increases exponentionaly per item you manufacture

[grizzled lotus]

it's near coal, so it's not that complicated. but tbh I wish tractors were better than they are. I want to like them

but they have the inconvenience of setting up trains but not the benefits

[zinc heron]

yes good point i didnt even consider that but i think it would still be worth doing
its easier to set up more power in the long run instead of waiting longer for resources imo though

[smoky forge]

trains imo are better either way, you should instandly make a good railway blueprint

[fluid sapphire]

its not worth going really big with power until you can make rocket fuel

[smoky forge]

but even easier to build more machines in the first place, that was his point i think

[shy mulch]

Rocket fuel foreverrrrr

[zinc heron]

i have also yet to do the trains or trucks...
ive been sprint crouch jumping everywhere and respawning when im done

[smoky forge]

real

[smoky forge]

no u dont use trains for movement

you use hypertubes

[zinc heron]

for gathering stuff i mean
i also havent set up hypertubes and i honestly forgot about them

[smoky forge]

do u have hypertube acelerator setup at ever entrance?

[zinc heron]

i set a really long conveyor so i can just run faster

[zinc heron]

i havent done any hypertube train truck or drone stuff yet

you can take a look at my world if youd like

[strong pond]

Having trouble with train tracks again do blueprint train track signals not work even if you connect the train tracks using the blueprint

[smoky forge]

sure ig, im bored enough to chat so why not do that

[zinc heron]

real

[sharp bay]

They don't connect automatically you have to delete them reconnect them for it to "actually connect"

[smoky forge]

no that wont matter, signs in general are a lil funky

u should open a #1038092680493801533 channel

[strong pond]

😭

[sharp bay]

Looks like we both learned the hard way

[quiet ginkgo]

Have seen a modern way with the possibility to make a loop in front, but ive also made a battery/switch with a set amount of hypertubes you just switch on to charge batteries and swithc of giving you a couple seconds to enter before it looses power

[grizzled lotus]

how do I make a railway blueprint? the blueprint designer is too small for anything significant

[strong pond]

from what I understand if you are wanting to use block/path signals you should be manualy be laying the track if I am making sense from @sharp bay message about my mesesage

[sharp bay]

Any use of train in a blueprint is really for more complex parts to connect your track to

Like an intersection

A spiral

Stuff like that

[fluid sapphire]

debatable

i made 2 posts, one with ramp shape and another that was straight, and used that to build a whole network

[sharp bay]

Or simple tracks like that also works yes

I forgot about the ramp

[grizzled lotus]

block/path signals are mostly so that different trains don't crash into each other, right?

[fluid sapphire]

one example of what it kinda ended up like
#screenshots message

[sharp bay]

Yep

Path signals are for the trains to turn right or left tho

[fluid sapphire]

its just 2 posts, 3x3 size

[strong pond]

did yours work with the block paths or did you have to replace some railss?

[grizzled lotus]

what are empty platforms for? is it for trains that need to load stuff into different cars?

[fluid sapphire]

i added the signals later

[sharp bay]

I treat them like spacers

[strong pond]

did you have to replace some rails?

[fluid sapphire]

no, just have to manually connect intersections, its no big deal, and if you want stations you also make exits for those manually, but otherwise, the whole loop i built with auto-connect

[sharp bay]

The auto connect works?

Strange
Mine didn't for some reason

[fluid sapphire]

i pity people who built rail before the auto connect feature

i couldnt do it

[strong pond]

so if i am reading this correctly you built the loop then went back later and added splits

[sharp bay]

Well I guess I'm having some troubles with using that feature

[strong pond]

or like stations?

[sharp bay]

@strong pond try using that auto connect build mode and see if they connect

[fluid sapphire]

well, yeah, i built a loop, and then there is the intersection that essentially connects another loop to the first loop, really you can just make an intersection anywhere on the loop and later connect back to the main loop or anywhere into the system in a different location, by building another intersection - it all forms a sort of network

[fluid sapphire]

its pretty straightforward if you use the "blueprint: autoconnect" variant

[strong pond]

so make the main loop then addd ofther smaller loops as needed?

[fluid sapphire]

there is also "default" which i find doesnt work as reliably

[sharp bay]

Yes I know but mine didn't connect for whatever reason

[fluid sapphire]

you just gotta figure out how to line up the new piece to the old one so that it offer you connection, that is all

[smoky forge]

just one smal pilar with the rails to autoconnect

[fluid sapphire]

sure, yeah

[sharp bay]

I'll see it later

[strong pond]

ok 🤷

[grizzled lotus]

how tall should the pillar be?

[smoky forge]

big enough to fit 2 train tracks and the trains ontop of that

[fluid sapphire]

it doesnt matter, you can nudge it higher

You don't need to fit a train into the blueprint

[steady hemlock]

why sometimes ill have the correct amount of oil, be turning it into the correct amount of fuel. but it still not enought, even tho everything im making should add up?

[grizzled lotus]

2 tracks? do you mean 2 parallel tracks?

[smoky forge]

no one is going the other direction

the train will go*

[smoky forge]

or yeah you could instead of a pillar just make them paralel next to each other

[fathom shuttle]

A locomotive can do 0-100 in 7.1s

[wicked nacelle]

@grizzled lotusI made some straight rail at some arbitrary angles and if I can see under them it's pretty easy to center and align a beam and then snap a foundation to that. #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, you mean enough room between the 2 tracks to have space for trains passing each other, yes yes

[smoky knoll]

Can the new warning screens on launch be turned off? Or skipped.

[hard ivy]

With mods

Or rather, a mod

No Splash

[quiet oar]

is coal endgame energy? or is there better?

[hard ivy]

There's like 8 more different fuels after that

[sharp bay]

You have fuel (then different fuel types) then nuclear power

[quiet oar]

omg i got a long way to go then

[sharp bay]

Nuclear power is optional though

[hard ivy]

You don't need to use all of them. Like 1-3 are gonna be enough

[sharp bay]

Just take your time

[quiet oar]

i have 16 coal gens running everything rn

[sharp bay]

Get it up to 32 and you should be set until fuel power

Make sure to store power with batteries though

[quiet oar]

is the optimal way of bringing coal to the gens building very long conveyers across the map ? or is there a better way

[sharp bay]

Conveyor belt across the map is fine it just looks ugly

(unless you make it look pretty)

Other then that you can use trains or trucks or tractors

Or even drones

[elder apex]

pick places for your coal plants near coal and water, then transport the power over long distances since it is dirt easy via wires

[sharp bay]

Especially with the big power poles yes

Power tower is the name I think?

[quiet oar]

whats the difference between big power pole and little?

[sharp bay]

The towers can have MUCH longer wires

Which looks nicer and can serve as ziplines if that's your thing

[quiet oar]

you can zipline???

[sharp bay]

Unlocked in caterium research tree

It's hella fun to zipline

[heady vale]

Anita I suggest you just continue playing, looks like there's a lot of things that you need to discover

asking here stuff is basically spoilers

[sharp bay]

True

Unless you want to know some stuff early to prepare

[heady vale]

... and ruin the surprise. Especially the kind of surprise present in my nickname :)

[sharp bay]

I mean It's their choice

but yeah playing and finding it by yourself is much more fun

[reef wasp]

I agree with this.

[hard ivy]

Find coal near water and put your coal gens there

[quiet oar]

im already using all the coal around my current body of water, so im probably gonna have to look for a different body of water

[sharp bay]

Sounds like you made your current coal factory in a small body of water

[quiet oar]

i could probably reach 32 coal gens with mk2 miners but i havent unlocked them yet

[sharp bay]

Oh I raised my coal gen count from 16 to 32 after I finished my steel factory you're fine

[solemn crystal]

guys i forgot how to sleep

[bold wedge]

damn bro

what are you gonna do with all that time you saved by typing "1st" instead of "first"

[gritty spire]

hey so im new to this game. i just made a coal plant and confused about the power situation. when the generator is up and running, can i disconnect the biomass generator? ive been so lost ab this and do not want to come and refuel it

[smoky forge]

a lot

[elder apex]

biomass generators are unique in the game as they are the only power generation source that operates on demand. All other power generation is constant power, therefore you can disconnect the biomass generators if you wish, or leave them up as backup power as they will kick in if you exceed the power that your coal plant is delivering

[bold wedge]

if everything is connected to the same power grid, the power you get from the biomass burner and the coal powered generator add up to be your capacity. if, when removing the biomass burners, your capacity is at least safely above the consumption (preferably above max consumption), then that means your coal powered generators are enough

if not, just make more coal generators ngl. less of a hassle than having to refuel your biomass burners

just make sure to always have everything on the same power grid

[gritty spire]

do i make power line connections from my coal generator to the miner? thats what im confused by. I need a constant flow of coal to power the plant but i need to power the miner. Can i make a line from the plant once its running and then delete the biomass plant

[left mauve]

simple answer yes

[bold wedge]

not directly from coal generator to miner. plop down some power poles and connect everything to each other. but not directly, or you wont have any slots to connect other stuff

connect every machine to a power pole and then connect those power poles to each other

not machine to machine

[left mauve]

the generators can power the things supplying them when theyre running

[gritty spire]

ok cool. like rn i have a biomass powering my miner, pump, and water extractor and then coal going to my main factory. if i connect the miner, pump, and extractor to the power line it will power itself

[left mauve]

if you mess something up with the pipes or the belts you may have to connect bio power again to get it back up and running

so keep the bio plant for now i say

[gritty spire]

i think i might be confusing myself/yall. ill just mess around and see if it works

basically like once the plant is up and running, can i connect the biomass powered buildings to the coal power lines that are running to the rest of my factory

[bold wedge]

yes. you just obviously gotta have that first bit of power from the biomass burners to kick start the coal generators, but once theyre up and running they can totally power themselves and their miners+water extractors. kind of the definition of a self sufficient power source (or whatever ada's wording was)

[left mauve]

nah i just started a new game this week i know exactly what you are talking about

just connect everything to the coal grid and it will Just Work (probably)

[bold wedge]

yes. but as i said they should already all be in the same big power grid. connect everything together

[sour ledge]

wow. wow. despite how long the game has been out, i've never run out of power before post-rocket fuel. I'm just usually so obsessed with bigging huge power factories it doesn't happen.

I didn't get around to it this time, and its taken me about 20 minutes to piece together how screwed i am. None of my power infrastructure is independent in any way, and because i was afk for ages while batteries ran out and materials pissed away, i can't even just cut the power just to the power station and bring that online, because my sulfur for it is clear across the map and the trains have no power to run...

[gritty spire]

heard lmao. this is the first thing i had to ask, ive been figuring everything out myself, appreciate it

[sour ledge]

im going to have to run around and grab a bunch of materials to make rocket fuel manually, kickstart that generator, then start branching out and bringing things online section by section...

[bold wedge]

"before post-"
huh?

[sour ledge]

before the point in the game you have rocket fuel

[bold wedge]

figuring it out by yourself all the way to coal power is already good keep it up

[bold wedge]

then just say before rocket fuel lmao

[sour ledge]

once you're post-rocket-fuel you can build such massive power generation setups that its very easy to just... not run out of power

man im not gonna worry about editing my stream of conciousness for you. figure it out lol

[dense violet]

just use some power storage?

also - nuclear

[bold wedge]

so if youve started using rocket fuel and youre past that point, are you gonna say youre "after pre-rocket fuel"?

💀

[sour ledge]

sure

[bold wedge]

alr bro

[left mauve]

no after post- and before pre- are not opposites 🤓

[bold wedge]

what

[left mauve]

fuck mixed them up

[bold wedge]

indeed

[left mauve]

ah well

[bold wedge]

and are they not?

[sharp bay]

I'm a freak about power management so I overbuild everything to make enough power to never worry about it

[bold wedge]

doesnt "post-" quite literally mean "after"? and same for pre- and before?

[sour ledge]

that's a good idea actually, i could charge some batteries nearby to a point they can bring trains on and then just do that, though it'll be kinda slow.... beats running all across the map though

[bold wedge]

so pre and after and post and before are opposites

[left mauve]

no they both include rocket fuel

[bold wedge]

well see thats why its not correct

[sharp bay]

The humble hypertube

[bold wedge]

because they meant before having rocket fuel, but said it in a way that would include it

[vestal crown]

So, I was checking my somersloops, I got the mam researc with them (3) one power augmentator (10) and 5 stored in the cloud, for a total of 18

Yet if I go into the interactive map, it says I collected 23

[sour ledge]

yeah the fun thing has been figuring out hwere my stuff is. i don't normally go back to old stuff so its kinda outta my headspace now...

[left mauve]

no they meant before post-rocket fuel

[vestal crown]

Any way I can find the missing ones

[left mauve]

like ionized and nuclear

[bold wedge]

"before the point in the game you have rocket fuel"

[sour ledge]

y'all are going through way too much trouble over raf sperging out

he struggled to comprehend - i explained - all else since that is just noise.

[bold wedge]

im just having fun

[sharp bay]

You guys are still talking about English

[bold wedge]

i didnt struggle to understand at all im just tryna figure out what was the thought process behind "before post-"

[sour ledge]

sure.

[bold wedge]

cool

[left mauve]

its just equivalent to " up to and including"

[dense violet]

also , nuclear 😛 1 nuclear gen does the work of 10 fuel

[bold wedge]

yeah i know, that would make sense

[bold wedge]

except again, they meant it as this

[sour ledge]

its on my to do list! i hate doing nuclear before phase 5 so i just haven't gotten around to it

[bold wedge]

same

on phase 4 rn and placing hundreds of fuel generators instead of nuclear lmao

[dense violet]

you can do a very big nuclear station that instead of 1000 fuel gens, you only have 100 nuclear. Boggling why people like rf so much

I wish they'd made it energy negative like ion and ficsonium

[sour ledge]

rocket fuel is just extremely easy to get going and scale, and before you hit phase 5 you get waste pileup which... while its easy enough to make storage for thousands of hours worth, still kinda bugs me....

[dense violet]

I mean so is nuclear. The base recipes are dead simple. Even the alts that extend it aren't bad, just chews up caterium a bit

[bold wedge]

dang it i lost the game

[sharp bay]

I would probably do nuclear power just for the sake of having nuclear power

Because it's cool

[bold wedge]

real

[harsh flicker]

does anyone else be playing this game and make like an alteration to theri factory making it so they have to rebuild the whole thing but they build it slightly to big than originally planned so not their other machines gotta move over as well so you just get off and go again tmr?

[sharp bay]

I only made sense of the first half of this sentence

[harsh flicker]

TLDR. Small update make big inconvenience makes me upset makes me get off to do it tmr.

[solemn crystal]

guys how do i sleep

i forgot again

[sour ledge]

you lie to yourself that you'll wake up with a great plan for your next factory

[solemn crystal]

yea could work but i think it has to do with the 1.5L coke i drank a few hours ago

does that affect anything

[sour ledge]

oh if you've got the sweet sweet embrace of caffeine, you just skip sleep of course

[sharp bay]

I actually did that yesterday and actually brought the plan into fruition (my big fuel plant)

What the hell was that

[solemn crystal]

sorry autocorrect

[sharp bay]

how do you auto correct into an entire paragraph

[solemn crystal]

i meant text replacement

[sour ledge]

slowly but surely, you're becoming as efficient as ada knew you could be

even in rest, you prepare....

[solemn crystal]

i just set it to that as a troll but i sometimes forget

[sharp bay]

And ada still roasts me

[solemn crystal]

how to skip sleep

[worthy hatch]

coke and meth

[sharp bay]

Bite down on a pepper and keep it there for 5minutes

A spicy pepper preferably

Painful? Yes
Effective? Idk

[solemn crystal]

thats just

no

After a long day filled with responsibilities, decisions, interactions, and the inevitable mental fatigue that comes with simply existing in a world that demands constant alertness, there comes a point where the mind and body collectively agree—without needing to utter a word—that it is time to surrender to the restorative embrace of unconscious stillness; a state where thoughts dissolve into fragmented dreams, muscles release their tension, and the world, with all its noise, complexity, and expectation, fades away into the periphery, allowing the brain to reorganize its memories, the heart to beat a little slower, and the breath to settle into a peaceful rhythm as the body lies motionless, wrapped in silence, drifting through a realm untouched by urgency or intention, where awareness is temporarily suspended and the self is momentarily unburdened, preparing, in this deeply biological and yet profoundly spiritual pause, to rise again with renewed clarity, energy, and capacity to face whatever awaits beyond the veil of this necessary detour into quiet oblivion.

[wicked nacelle]

Please don’t spam

[hidden spruce]

do you guys just restart after you beat the game?

[leaden ether]

My first game, after completeing phase 6 5, I went back and rebuilt everything "correctly" and 100% automated from start to finish. Then started a new save to up the ante some more.

[hidden spruce]

what mod did you use that gives phase 6?

[dense violet]

prob means tier

[leaden ether]

Phase 5.. typo

[haughty flax]

whats the strat with trains, have a buffer of storage containers to just keep supplied inbetween train stops?

[dense violet]

yup https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1393599190319501453/1393599448742887464/image.png?ex=6873c220&is=687270a0&hm=124a8d061db6ea63d7777317da6a5f840dd8c3bce42efb25be6c4f48a743c7a8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=990&height=1320

on both ends

[haughty flax]

what are the abbreviations?

[dense violet]

industrial storage container, platform

[leaden ether]

I use buffers only to prevent the factories from getting blocked by the load/unload times. The depot buffer is pretty big.

If you are running the depot buffer dry, you need to add another train

[dense violet]

you generally can't get more than 1 belt per platform unless you really rig it that way. There are formulae on the wiki if you want exact numbers

[wicked nacelle]

It totally depends on stack size among other things. But a 500 stack is easy to get more than a belts worth of throughput through a freight station

If you have the production there’s no reason not to connect multiple input belts.

Worst case it’s the same.

[grizzled lotus]

do you guys have one train station for your base?

I'm trying to bring in different materials, and I'm starting tot hink it'll be messy if I have so many different arrangements for each freight platform

[dense violet]

it's generally much easier to have many stations if you have many trains

each platform's throughput is fairly limited, so having it service multiple delivery trains can be rough unless each train is delivery low volumes

[grizzled lotus]

so, I should ideally have one train for each route. but one station for each train would be too much, maybe one station for each 2 or 3?

[sharp bay]

It's gonna get really messy If you just use 1 train aswell

[grizzled lotus]

assuming my base has a station-freight for item a, if I want another train to pick up another item, ideally I should my station be

Train Station -Freight for item a- Freight for item b

item b's train would be Train-emptyfreight-Freight with item b

[dense violet]

well each platform, depending on train trip times and stack sizes ect, will probably handle about 1 belt of throughput total .

so if those 2-3 are only deliverying like 1 belt of throughput per platform? it could work

[grizzled lotus]

just to make sure, but I should have 1 freight platform for each kind of item. mixing isn't recommended, right?

[leaden ether]

Wouldn't initially, it can be done but it gets more complex.

[grizzled lotus]

I was thinking of using smart splitters, although there is the risk of clogging

[leaden ether]

RIght, if the ratios are off for loading/unloading you can block one of the items that way.

[grizzled lotus]

my only route now brings over Reanimated Sam

I'm wondering if I can have one freight platform for ReSAM, Copper Wire and Steel Pipes, basically the platform would feed a smart splitter that would manufacture SAM fluctuator. Thoughts?

[willow glen]

If you think a train car is entirely too large of a space for the item you want to transport (crystal oscillators come to mind), I’d suggest rushing drones instead of trying to unload multiple types of item into the same freight platform

that’s a very delicate balance and I can see it clogging very easily

[foggy heart]

Cant understand why my pipes arent pipping. i have 8 refineries (1 at 50%) pumping 300 fule pm into a mk 1 pipe which then branches off to 14 fuel gens and 1 packager at 50%. The packager is all the way at the end of the line and is always full of fuel, but the last 4 fuel gens that are before packeger struggle to get fuel. This is causing my heavy oil residue to back up and breaks my whole plastic/rubber production

[wicked nacelle]

Yes that’s a mistake because it breaks manifolding because you have to sink excess so you don’t get “back pressure”. The only “right “ way to do it is to sushi belt it through the train and match consumption rates which isn’t easy and is error prone going forward

The downside to thinking “oh I’ll use drones for this” is you don’t build the rail and the next time you just need one thing you still don’t have rail there. But if you built the rail then you just toss a station in and you’re done because you have full connectivity.

[dense violet]

is this a diluted packaged fuel set up?

[wicked nacelle]

Rail is the only transport that you benefit from the other stuff you did later. Everything else is from scratch each time.

[willow glen]

ya after some thought there is a way to make it clog free but the only way to ensure it stays clog free is if production starts similtaneously (or within a couple mins or so), and never stops (so, no adjusting belts later etc). Not a way I’d like to build.

[foggy heart]

no its just 900 oil making 300 plastic and 300 rubber, and then heavy oil residue going to fuel gens

and 1 packager for packaged fuel for le jetpack

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with some overhead images

[willow glen]

I agree, but I’ve also gone a bit nutty delivering everything by train and there’s just no reason to have regular train deliveries of 1-2 stacks lol. But things like plastic and aluminum should always be on trains

[wicked nacelle]

You can always just make and sink resin from excess HOR if it’s causing a deadlock until you nail down the source of the real problem.

[willow glen]

I think you wrong replied that one

I’m train guy not pipe person

[dense violet]

you can pretty easily make medium tier items on location from local resources. That would simplify things a lot

[wicked nacelle]

Yep

Anything you can make from iron copper coal and limestone isn’t worth moving. And if it only needs one exotic resource then just make it where that one is already

[foggy heart]

wayy too much effort to uncover my whole logistics floor. just gonna place pumps everywhere and see what happens. I doubt headlift is the issue tho because everything is at the same level. all fluids come out of a machine and drop 4 meters, then lift 4 meters to get into the next machine

[wicked nacelle]

It’s only when something requires multiple non trivial raw materials that you really have to start figuring stuff out

[dense violet]

are your feed pipes coming from below?

[wicked nacelle]

In scim you can filter by altitude

So that would provide some information but not full 3d of course

[foggy heart]

feed pipes? my crude oil is coming from like 30m above

[dense violet]

well as long as the input pies going into the machines aren't from below that'll be alright.

[foggy heart]

oh

all my input pipes are coming from below

but only by 2m

[dense violet]

assuming you haven't forgotten to hook something up or your math is wrong that is very very likely one of hte issues

and probably unlooped manifolds too

[wicked nacelle]

There are things that can reset headlift so even that can be a problem

[foggy heart]

im happy to post my save file if you wanna take a look

[foggy heart]

wdym?

[dense violet]

buffers reset headlift.

unpowered pumps too

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah that

[foggy heart]

i have a buffer but its at the end of the line, so the heavy oil passes by the refineries first then the buffer

no unpowered pumps

[dense violet]

yeah get rid of the buffers. they'll also wreck flow

[foggy heart]

wdym unlooped manifolds?

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1390322800102998128/1390327405897580697/image.png?ex=6874610c&is=68730f8c&hm=c45739adb9555ca4ad452a00964e040a4258bb65e136383b3ec0e1faaa7dc7ff&=&format=webp&quality=lossless loop

[foggy heart]

oh wtf

didnt know i needed to do that