satisfactory

[keen hawk]

Should i just pick all the pure recipes up then? Seems quite handy to have around

[white dawn]

If you like the Pure, recipes, sure.

[undone bramble]

Overclocking is for speed,sommer sloops for production

[white dawn]

There are those who tire of endless refinery spam, and they tend to avoid the Pure recipes

[keen hawk]

My rocketfuel plant has 240 generators

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that 99.9% of Satisfactory players (totally a real statistic, not something I made up. shhh.) are never going to max out any resource on the map. There's more resources on the map than most folks realize

[keen hawk]

But at least its finished

[white dawn]

Pure recipes are certainly nice -- I use them a lot myself -- but it's definitely just a choice; you're unlikely to ever actually need that kind of raw-ore efficiency

[undone bramble]

I tend to lean twords alloys

[hard ivy]

Literally a third of all of my machines are refineries, so yeah, it's totally valid if you don't like that

But spamming them is piss easy with auto-connect blueprints so I don't see why I wouldn't want to save resources

[elder apex]

not just the spam, the space that refineries take up compared to foundries

[gloomy heart]

Does someone know where sam ore is located? if my start is dune desert

[white dawn]

Yeah, I didn't even mind refinery spam before blueprints

[keen hawk]

My biggest peeve is how high the refinery chimnies go

Like was all that really neccesary

[undone bramble]

You ever think about small refinery mod?

[eager palm]

Even if a player manages to tap every node completely, they'd be rocking unplayable FPS to use it all, right?

[white dawn]

There's also the requirement to build 'em near water, of course. If you don't want to build your factory near water, Pures could be a pain.

(I know it's not a requirement but y'know. :D)

[hard ivy]

With the recent optimizations and CPU improvements, possibly not

[keen hawk]

My factory is above blue crater, but my pond is running low on space already

Water for diluted fuel used up the entire eastern half almost

[undone bramble]

Water tower and use the ocean?

[hard ivy]

Tbh depends what you consider playable too. But I played on 15-25 FPS for 100+ hours back in U6, so I'd consider that playable

[keen hawk]

Though its possible i shouldve used the kibitz method instead

[keen hawk]

Dont need that much water, but ill probably stick to alloy recipes

I know grassy fields has a crazy amount of iron and copper

So i should pop over there and make the copper powder offsite

[undone bramble]

Northern forest i think has better quality

[keen hawk]

Yeah but isnt that in the north…?

Blue crater is as far southeast as it gets

Fields are at least a lil closer

[undone bramble]

I think its in the centerish of the map

[white dawn]

Sounds like a great excuse to start expanding!

[keen hawk]

I have 2 abandoned bases in northwest map i use only to fetch electronics and quartz parts

Spaghettified beyond saving

[undone bramble]

So what your saying is restart?

[keen hawk]

Maybe in another few hundred hours

I have computers and supercomputers made at a staggering rate of 12/m and 3.1/m respectively, so thats the reason they still see the light of day

Instead of having a protective concrete shell poured above to save my frames

[undone bramble]

Nothern forest also has 2 quartz nodes

[keen hawk]

Wait sorry, is the northern forest the red forest??

Sorry im NOT setting foot in there

[white dawn]

Heh, no, Northern Forest is north of Red Forest

[hard ivy]

No, the northern forest is north of there

[white dawn]

Or, rather, north of part of red forest (red bamboo specifically, I think)

[hard ivy]

But also, the red forest has like half the map's bauxite

[white dawn]

Yeah, gotta brave the scratchy scratchy to get them aluminums

[keen hawk]

Idc man ill take the other half

Refineries get on my nerves anyways

Why do the gassy pigs get projectile attacks btw

And the flying spiders take 0 fall damage its not fair

[fathom shuttle]

Ah shit I’m down to 400 power shards

[undone bramble]

Small refinery mod is awsome

[fathom shuttle]

Refineries are pretty cool

I like the brutalist vibes they give off

[undone bramble]

Dodge,duck,dip,dive,and dodge

If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball

[true mulch]

they sure do take blasts from nukes well though

[foggy heart]

Whats a decent amount of modular frames to beproducing when moving from phase 2 to 3?

[placid stirrup]

You said dodge twice

[true mulch]

for personal consumption, around 10 is plenty

don't plan ahead for HMF, just make more MF when you'll need them within the HMF factory

[undone bramble]

that's because it's doubly important

[keen hawk]

Fused modular frames are such a pain, what do you mean you need 225 alum ingots to make one frame

[lavish burrow]

'Cause they're low throughput parts used in small quantities.

[fathom shuttle]

My factory need 2200/min aluminum for the FMF

[hard ivy]

With the alt, you only need 50

[keen hawk]

If i had to do this with traditional aluminium + traditional bauxite i would simply kms

[undone bramble]

What darrenplays did a great blueprint for aluminum

[keen hawk]

Im running like 30 smelters into 10 constructors to make the things

[lavish burrow]

And you generally get access to them around the same time that you'll be able to get mk3 miners, so aluminum scales up very quickly and easily.

[fathom shuttle]

Use the heat fused frame recipe

[lavish burrow]

I forget, does the default use aluminum casings?

[fathom shuttle]

better than the base one, you need fuel for it tho

[keen hawk]

Are alts generally much better than base? I actually already automated it, so i dont think i care anymore

Using base recipe*

[fathom shuttle]

It depends on the alt, so you can’t really say anything definitive

[hard ivy]

Generally I'd say yes

Very generally

[fathom shuttle]

The great thing about alts is that you can leverage them to simplify things

[keen hawk]

I use alts for anything that uses screws

In that sense, im very lucky to have gotten heavy rubber frames without rolling

[hard ivy]

All but one of the recipes that uses screws is just bad. The only exception is copper rotor

[lavish burrow]

There are some alts that are hard to argue against being straight up better. There are some that are sidegrades that are situational. There are some that are just... not good.

Then there's quickwire cable. Quickwire cable is the worst.

[keen hawk]

Worse than biocoal?

[lavish burrow]

Yes.

[hard ivy]

I use it lol. Not very often, but I do

Cast screws is the worst lol

[lavish burrow]

Biocoal at least lets me smelt my foes into metal for my factory.

[dusk moon]

did any updates since 2023 change the geothermal nodes? i am trying to import an all geothermal nodes megaprint and just want to make sure itll work

[lavish burrow]

1.0 added a bunch and shifted some purities around

[fathom shuttle]

I’m gonna need a bunch of nitrogen gas for the nitric acid

1500 of it I think

[dusk moon]

it should still work right?

like none were removed or added

[lavish burrow]

I don't know. I have never used a megaprint so I don't know how they work.

[hard ivy]

Go to scim, launch one tab in EA, one in stable and compare

[dusk moon]

i found a 1.0 one ill just use that

if it breaks it breaks

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't even bother making my graph all wavy for just 7 GW lol

[dusk moon]

its to jump start my fuel

[hard ivy]

Power storage?

[lavish burrow]

You're gonna end up with a wavy graph at some point. Can't be avoided.

[dusk moon]

i guess but a free 7gw never hurt anyone

[steel jolt]

how i get FICS to my name

[hard ivy]

Production? Not really. Trains mess it up a bit but not nearly as much as geothermal

[dusk moon]

edit main profile and scroll down to server tags

[lavish burrow]

There are three machines that have variable power consumption that are needed extensively in endgame.

[hard ivy]

Production

[lavish burrow]

Oh, specifically only production? Wait, what do trains have to do with that?

[hard ivy]

Regen braking

[lavish burrow]

Oh, right, that... thing. I honestly thought that had been patched out at some point for... some reason.

[hard ivy]

Frankly, idk why they even bothered adding it. It's 33 MW max iirc

[lost wagon]

how does smart splitter works in a lift, what is the up/down?

[lavish burrow]

You could make the same argument for so, so many things. Stuff sometimes just exists because it does.

[hard ivy]

Like Ficsonium 🙃

[lavish burrow]

(It's also totally possible to rush for geothermal if you know the right crash sites to loot and get a ton of early game power.)

[keen hawk]

Wait so trains braking add power to the system?

[fathom shuttle]

Cool gimmick

[hard ivy]

Yep

[keen hawk]

But it also has trains consuming most power when they start accelerating right?

[lavish burrow]

Incidentally, you may also notice that almost all crash sites that have power requirements are now located near geothermal geysers.

[hard ivy]

Yes

[keen hawk]

If only you could get infinite power with trains constantly braking

[hard ivy]

You can. But not automatically

[fathom shuttle]

Use a AGA to do all these ones

[lavish burrow]

A what now?

[fathom shuttle]

APA

[lavish burrow]

I still am not familiar with that acronym.

[fathom shuttle]

Alien power augmenter

[hard ivy]

Alien power augmenter

[lavish burrow]

Ah. I mean, yeah, you can technically do that. I usually just get those sites at the same time I connect the local geothermal geysers to my power grid.

So here's something I don't understand. Why exactly did the community sort of... decide that rows of machines that use in-line splitting are called manifolds?

[hard ivy]

It's 550 MW of instant power anywhere. Can open all crash sites

[hard ivy]

It's not exclusively an in-game term

Google fluid manifold

[lavish burrow]

I know what a manifold is. It's a very very broad concept.

But the fluid example isn't really how a belt manifold works, and the mathematical term can technically apply in the sense that a line is a type of manifold.

[keen hawk]

I usually explore while laying train track, so if i need a brief power i can put a station down and connect the dropbox real quick

[lavish burrow]

But so are spheres. And some types of topological space that exist in higher dimensions than 3.

[hard ivy]

From Wikipedia:

A manifold is a wider and/or larger pipe or channel, into which smaller pipes or channels lead,[1] or a pipe fitting or similar device that connects multiple inputs or outputs for fluids.

[keen hawk]

So a manifold is supposed to be where smaller pipes merge into a big pipe…?

[hard ivy]

I don't see how you saw a better resemblance to the topological manifold than this

[keen hawk]

Is that not the exact opposite of what happens

[lavish burrow]

Because fluid manifolds in real life are far closer to balancers.

[polar dock]

Quick question. I have made myself some goals and my first goal is to get a powerplant setup. But for my third goal its to ensure the advanced recipes like motor's and stators are the first thing i produce before i start making myself the stuff that's miniscule like iron rods and stuff to shove in storage and forget about.

My question is. Is that a good idea?

[oblique aspen]

the direction of movement does not matter

[lavish burrow]

I would recommend starting with production of the more basic parts.

[keen hawk]

Call it a delta instead so the branching flows of material is more easily visualised, because ive never heard of manifolds before this game

[polar dock]

Well the issue their is when i try and do that i tend to find myself without any room for the advanced stuff like the stators and stuff and end up hauling them half way across the map just to have production take longer. cause i am in my first ever time of playing phase 3 of satisfactory and i do think i am overthinking a lot instead of doing the basics but making the advanced stuff to me would allow me room for my miniscule stuff

[lavish burrow]

See, the thing is, i've heard some people say that it's an actual concept used in factories, as a word referring to in-line assembly. But I have never seen anything supporting this other than people saying that in the context of this game.

[lavish burrow]

You might benefit from exploring around the map a bit.

[polar dock]

Could you explain more cause that sounds intresting

[hard ivy]

The map is like 50 km2. Do not limit yourself to a small area

[lavish burrow]

Anyways. The whole issue I have is really just semantics. I don't get why it became the terminology.

[lavish burrow]

There are... alternative solutions to challenges you may encounter while building factories. They just might require keeping an eye or ear out for... ideas.

Or suggestions.

[polar dock]

NGL this is a joke. but what you said. Sounds like something ADA would say lol

[lavish burrow]

It does, doesn't it?

[keen hawk]

How do people make bases look good anyways

[lavish burrow]

Practice.

[keen hawk]

Every base i build is a giant grey affeont to god

[hard ivy]

Wait till you see a discussion on the definition of a balancer or a manifold lol

[polar dock]

But tbh i have always faced an issue of finding a good spot to build factories and stuff and i am never 100% sure on how to build factories or even make the belts look tidy

[hard ivy]

I don't

[keen hawk]

Neither do i

Though i suspect our reasons differ

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, I generally expect any sort of discussion about balancing/splitting/whatever to involve some amount of terminology confusion.

Especially because I have my own method of doing it that doesn't... really have a term in the first place.

Or at least, whenever I try to explain it, I tend to call it something entirely different.

[keen hawk]

Btw chat, i saw the tier list on reddit for alt recipes, is it trustworthy or reliable

[lavish burrow]

I'm very much not a fan of the tier lists.

[tropic kelp]

use paint

[hard ivy]

The numbers in it are probably correct, but I'd consider the entire thing worse than useless

[lavish burrow]

The one that comes to mind is, IMO, both using a very flawed metric to "score" everything, and also is kind of inherently biased in a few ways.

[hard ivy]

The best ranking is probably the user ranking. That one's at least based on the opinions of players, not just one person

I agree with most of the placements on it, unlike the tier list on Reddit which is entirely deranged imo

[lavish burrow]

But the primary issue is that there are just too many factors that can apply to alternate recipes that cannot have any sort of weight attached to them, because they're either entirely subjective, or... abstract?

[tropic kelp]

Is the stun rebar good or bad

[lavish burrow]

Like the value of a recipe can change simply based on where you are.

[lavish burrow]

It's very very good.

[hard ivy]

Well, yeah, the user ranking is based on how much people like it. The more people like it, the more likely you are to like it as well. But that's about it

[tropic kelp]

So I should mass produce those

[lavish burrow]

I honestly haven't seen a user ranking tier list, i'm talking about the WP one(s).

[tropic kelp]

Time to rush progression and then make some explosives

[keen hawk]

I saw pure copper in f tier…

And i thought that cant be right

[lavish burrow]

That's... extremely questionable.

[hard ivy]

Like I said. Deranged

[lavish burrow]

If i'm being honest, this actually sounds worse than what I remember.

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory-ranker-91f08c6418db.herokuapp.com/

[keen hawk]

The issue seems to be that it averages out pros and cons, so really high upsides with high cons get outperformed by recipes barely better in every metric

The top tiers with diluted oil, sloppy alumina and pure alum makes sense but some are plain crazy

[lavish burrow]

Are you referring to the user weighted list or the other one?

[keen hawk]

The one on reddit

Something something wisdom of the masses

[hard ivy]

There are 2, actually. One optimizing for WP, the other for "effort"

The author just made up weights for the 2nd one

Plus it considers like 10 most common recipe combos and the other recipes are considered in complete isolation

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, that sounds... way worse than what I remember. I think I probably shouldn't look at it because I will actually get upset.

[plush pumice]

anyone know the hex code for dark matter residue?

[lavish burrow]

So, like... the reason that most people would want to look at a tier list is because they don't know what alternate recipe they want to choose when they likely don't have many hard drives because they aren't insane like me and don't go around plundering the countryside for hours.

Hrm. Self describing as insane is not really the vibe I wanted. Let's mentally replace that with "ridiculous."

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I don't stop exploring until the MAM tells me "no rewards available"

But I end up taking only half the recipes

[lavish burrow]

Ultimately, it's hard to even use a tier list to pick between two recipes, because there are too many potential variables.

There's also nuances that probably don't even occur to most people. For instance, which is better, recycled rubber, or recycled plastic?

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't want one without the other. And HOR and D(P)F

[lavish burrow]

The answer is, of course, "it depends", but technically speaking, if you are looking at them in complete isolation, recycled plastic is better.

And that's only because the residual rubber recipe is better than residual plastic- ergo, if you could only choose one, you get more total material by having recycled plastic, because you get more out of the polymer resin you "start" with.

But I guess what it really boils down to is the ultimately subjective nature of what recipe is more "fun" to use.

And that is going to not only vary from person to person, because the means by which they would consider any given recipe to be more or less "fun" than any other are going to be potentially based on completely different criteria from someone else.

And for some of us, it may even vary based on our current mood.

Of course, then you're left with a sort of catch-22, because the only way to, in my opinion, figure out what recipes are better for you is to just... try them.

[keen hawk]

You reminded me i should probably get the recycled rubber recipe

[foggy heart]

Whats a decent amount of modular frames to be producing when going from phase 2 to 3?

[lavish burrow]

Understand the numbers, learn to compare alternates and find synergies. Or arbitrarily decide that one in particular is your archnemesis and consistently confuse yourself on how much you actually hate it and how much you're doing it for the sake of a joke, because you don't even know anymore.

[hard ivy]

Like 10-15/min? For personal use

[lavish burrow]

Actually, I think that particular point should be emphasized. What people really need to understand is how to compare an alternate recipe to the default and get an approximation of how much "better" or "worse" it is.

[foggy heart]

Oh I thought it would be way more, thanks

[hard ivy]

You'll need way more for HMFs later. But those should be separate from your personal ones

[lavish burrow]

My proposal is to replace all tier lists with a line of text in... probably comic sans, because why not, saying "you can use the ingame search (N) as a calculator!"

I wish I didn't care about this so much. It's not worth all this emotion.

[jaunty jewel]

people need to learn to see all of the positives and negatives to a recipe

my favourite example is screws

[lavish burrow]

I'm about to start waxing philosophical on the nature of human contact through the medium of the internet and I am just going to preemptively shut that down because it would be extremely self indulgent in a way that would make it impossible for me to determine how serious I was being. So i'm going to go distract myself with... something.

[keen hawk]

False, there are no positives to screws

[jaunty jewel]

sigh

[hard ivy]

Copper rotor isn't bad

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, that's a good reason to bail. I've had this argument almost as often as the one about pipes.

[jaunty jewel]

im talking about the screw recipes themselves

[hard ivy]

What's the point of discussing them if the correct choice is to not make any in the first place? 🙃 (/hj)

[lavish burrow]

Eh, screw this. I don't have anything better to do, but I do have several things less worse.

||STOP HAVING OPINIONS||

[jaunty jewel]

sigh

[ivory condor]

Just turn off the internet at that point🙃

[jaunty jewel]

the whole point, is that all 3 screw recipes have positives and negatives that are easy to point out and therefore are good for comparing

[ivory condor]

just remember no matter what your opinion is, on the internet there will always be people that disagree with you

[jaunty jewel]

as an example

[shy mulch]

Tempted to make a factory churning out 64k screws per minute just for the sake of it

[hard ivy]

I've been thinking about making 100 HMFs/min, but use the absolute maximum amount of screws you can for 100 HMFs/min

[shy mulch]

Do it

[hard ivy]

It was something around that many lol

[shy mulch]

I've currently got 1000 compacted coal per minute going to the sink
The plan (one of the many things on my to-do list) is to combine it with 2000 iron to make 4000 steel ingots per minute, but not yet decided what to do with all the steel
I realised just now that I could use it to make 64k screws, for no reason other than because it would be funny

[hard ivy]

Hmm, I thought it would be more. It's only 38.5k screws/min

[jaunty jewel]

you really want to place and do the logistics for 1600 screw constructors?

if you do, i must see it

i suppose with blueprint connecting and stuff its a lot easier now

[shy mulch]

blueprints, it wouldn't be that hard

[jaunty jewel]

now make it look nice

[shy mulch]

that's a very different story 😛

I may actuall do it, once I've reached my power goal

[olive solar]

im in a creative game and for some reason i dont have nitrogen gas, how do i fix this

[dense violet]

I don’t think that’s true

[dense violet]

Gas isn’t an item you can have in inventory unpackaged?

[ivory condor]

I see what you did

[olive solar]

when im looking in the packager there is no recipe that uses nitrogen gas

[noble topaz]

what is something i should know before i start making more stuff (i just started, about half way on tier 2)

[next meadow]

Make sure the amount your belts/pipes n'such can carry per minute are equal to or over whatever you have on them.

Also, use the world grid for building, please.

[shy mulch]

Everything you make right now, no matter how big, will be outgrown massively by the end. So don't worry about little details

[next meadow]

I'd recommend finding a spot with multiple decent ore nodes, and start building foundations on top of one of the nodes.

The northern forest (or jungle?) is a good spot to start out at.

[leaden ether]

Hmm, I've never had an issue with this but working on a bit of a congested intersection. When placing Block signals, do you have to be mindful about braking distance? (I'm guessing yes)

[next meadow]

But then again, you've already picked a spot anyways.

[hard ivy]

Path signals, not block signals
But yes, braking distance matters with them

[noble topaz]

i think im near the south end, wheres theres a bunch of semi flat land, and ive already found several iron/copper ore deposits

and a coal

[next meadow]

The grassy area is a decent spot.

Honestly, seeing as you're not too far in, I'd recommend just starting a new save and starting in the forest.

[placid stirrup]

Same with both deserts

(they're all good)

[next meadow]

Thing about the northern forest or jungle or wtv it is, is that there's a spot VERY close to where you spawn with 4 pure iron nodes.

[dusk moon]

is there a way to mass unstandby/standby or do i have to do them one by one

[hard ivy]

Disconnect them from power

But also, you probably shouldn't do anything like that in the first place

[dusk moon]

i just like it to be full before starting it

[foggy heart]

#screenshots do you guys also do this to your friends when they're offline? Or am I just a psycho lmao

[open steppe]

anyone got a rotor farm design they can show me

[shy mulch]

Use nukes 😎

[open steppe]

im lf a max effiency one

[dense violet]

wait one fucking second.

I swear you used to be able to select an object ot build while under water before??

I can't even zoop downwards while above water

ok it's worked itself out after reloading.

[burnt ferry]

whats the point of aligning miners to the grid using 2m foundations, when the positioning is still forced to the node and will be off grid therefore? i mean its not really better than having the miner rotated off slightly ( you can tell by trying to put a straight belt, there will be a little dent as the miners x/y position on the foundation is not aligned)

[naive pendant]

Aligning miners to the grid directions is the closest you can get to "perfect aligned" looking miners. Many people really want everything aligned with right angles on belts. So it's a natural thing to do, aligning the miners.

There's a way to still maintain 90 degree belts even though the miners are usually shifted off grid.

[feral jay]

Is there a way to disable the autosave and epilepsy warning when the game starts up that I'm missing?

[shy fog]

no... it comes up every single load of the game

complained about that a while back

it also doesn't see your last save

then it fully loads after so long and appears normal

[feral jay]

It sees my last save...

[shy fog]

yes, but only AFTER it loads fully

you have to confirm, then it appears

[feral jay]

Ah

[foggy heart]

I'm about to hit my 1000 smart plating for phase 2 (prod 5pm) and I'm wondering if I should starting sending them to storage or to the sink afterwards? I still need to build factories for the vers framewor and auto wiring so it'll still be a while before i finish phase 2

[atomic olive]

por que no los dos?

storage then overflow to sink?

[naive pendant]

@burnt ferry The method I use starts with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7vMAU_Mkis this totalxclipse video method to get a miner on cardinal directions on foundation. Then you put a belt on the actual world grid foundations perpendicular to the miner belt. Then snap a merger to that perpendicular belt using a splitter aligned with the miner as the snap point.

[foggy heart]

fair, but do i really need an industrial storage unit full of smart plating? is it needed that much after phase 2?

[feral jay]

It's nice to jump start the next phase with

[atomic olive]

anything thats used by the build gun is (to me) worth having supply of. But I'm working on phase 3.

that's a lot of belts

[foggy heart]

oh ofcourse, didnt know you used smart plating for building tho. thought it was just a spelevator part

[foggy heart]

awesome ty

[atomic olive]

oh sorry, not smart plating

[burnt ferry]

yea but since the node itself does not align with the grid vertically and horizontally the belt coming out of the miner will be off grid... of course you can mitigate that by enforcing it back on the grid while keeping it as short as posssible, similar to water extractors which have the same problem with height... the height as well as the plane position of the miner dont snap on the grd

[atomic olive]

although it is used for subsequent elevator parts, so worth stockpiling and/or keeping infrastructure for

[naive pendant]

@burnt ferry Vertically you can put the miner perfectly matching the actual world grid.

[burnt ferry]

you talking height, no?

[naive pendant]

Yea

[atomic olive]

@foggy heart https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fyhop5/project_part_progression_cheat_sheet/

[burnt ferry]

im not

[foggy heart]

huge tysm

[atomic olive]

(I'm running into this myself, as I have a container of smart plating, and I realize I need to recreate the production)

[open steppe]

hi

[naive pendant]

There used to be a bug pre 1.0 where using 1 meter foundations could cause miss alignment with the vertical world grid that could be fixed. But that was fixed in 1.0. When you go to place the miner, you start with a world grid snapped foundation to set the height. Then place miners on it. Then fix the foundations to align with the miner at the correct height using that video method.

@burnt ferry

[burnt ferry]

are you stil talking about height? because im not talking about height

there still is issues when you combine 4m foundations with 1m foundations, but thats in fact a different one

[remote wasp]

you use it to make later elevator parts so it could be useful to have some

[naive pendant]

I see. The thing I described above with the perpendicular belt merger thing is how you get back on grid without wonky belts.

You basically hide the wonky with the merger not being on grid.

[burnt ferry]

yes but... if the wonkyness is in height. it doesnt apply to my issue 😂

[dense violet]

!wikisearch smart_plating

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=smart_plating

[dense violet]

the wiki is very useful for that sort of thing

[burnt ferry]

my belts are not wonky up and down @naive pendant ... lemme try to make a screenshot

[atomic olive]

easy to miss that smart plating feeds into modular engines if you're still tier 2 and don't know modular engines exist 😄

[feral jay]

heh my only contribution to the wiki is a bunch of spelling and grammar corrections

[naive pendant]

@burnt ferry You did watch that totalxclipse video right? The very start shows the belt wonkiness I'm talking about. At 6 s in.

[dusk rivet]

So uh, no flashlight for controller players?

[atomic olive]

it's there. hold RB to get the equipment wheel, and you'll see flashlight on the left I think

[dusk rivet]

OOHH thank you

[atomic olive]

does anyone else spend way too much time looking at your factory and thinking than... building more factory?

[dusk rivet]

Very much so

[atomic olive]

sips coffee

[finite tundra]

Yes

[feral jay]

You are not authorized to take a coffee break. 32,473 credits will be deducted from your FICSIT® payroll account.

[foggy heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=b3omnXU-s1g

Anyone got something similar to/exactly like this? Really struggling to follow along in the video, he really slacked with this one

[atomic olive]

Sounds like Hardspace Shipbreaker. Do we need some collective action?

[burnt ferry]

@naive pendant apparently i cant write in #screenshots

[feral jay]

Never played that game, looks interesting though

[burnt ferry]

checkout the shot i posted there.. it shows the issue... the left wall is aligned to the middle belt, which comes out of the miner. the other two belts are aligned to the foundation and cant go straight into them holes.. the right wall just shows that it is possible. so the right wall is aligned to the foundation and all 3 belts go perfectly straight from being aligned to the foundation into the 3 holes

@naive pendant

the miner itself sits flat on the foundation and also its bounding box is at least parallel to the grid

[naive pendant]

@burnt ferry Isn't that just indicating your miner belt isn't on the world grid. The whole point of the images I linked is the method to get back on world grid.

[burnt ferry]

but it is offset

[dense violet]

he's going step by step with it?

[burnt ferry]

try to forget about the height

[naive pendant]

My thing doesn't care about height.

[burnt ferry]

focus on the plane only as if this was a RTS game

[naive pendant]

Anyway. Just save the images I linked. Think about it more. That's the only method I've seen to get nice perfect crisp belts from miners on grid. Good luck.

[burnt ferry]

then youve just donewhat i said before.. you put that little dent into the shortest possible belt feeding directly into a splitter or merger

which is possible, looks alright, but doesnt satisfy my ocd

[dense violet]

use a planner like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production
select a final output, and then just break down the machines needed by floor

[burnt ferry]

just try it out yuourself.. if you think about it, its easy to see why it happens as the miner snaps onto the node looking on the plane. .and that node wont move

so youd have to have the foundation perfectly aligned to the node, which is kinda the problem im coming from

@naive pendant dude.. you can even see my issue in YOUR screenshot

[south kindle]

I'm making my first coal factory and am new to piping and fluids. I see fluid pressure is important, is it is a good idea to pipe all my water straight up into the air so I can send it down to my generators?

[burnt ferry]

of course theyre gone now... convinced theyve spit some facts... when in reality they just refused to understand the issue i was talking about... not realizing theyre not solving the issue they think they would]

@naive pendant i posted two screenshots, second one shows how it should look if you hadnt the issue......... and exactly like i said, by putting the merger or splitter whateve very close the dent is invisible

but guess what.. theres a better way.. just go straight around one corner... the segment coming out of it will be perfectly straight and then around the corner were back on the grid.. you dont need to put a foundation underneath for that though (except for the height), hence my initial question

check screenshot... MUCH cleaner and easier solution... just requires no foundation on the node

[dense violet]

pressure isn't really a thing. Fluid flows to emptier sections of pipes, some people call that 'pressure'. And having the fluid go up first and then down does the same thing as just a pump

[feral jay]

Isn't there some kind of rudimentary pressure mechanic?

I think there is but you can basically ignore it

[dense violet]

there's headlift?

but that just allows fluid to climb to a certain height

[burnt ferry]

head lift

[feral jay]

yeah not that

[dense violet]

afaik there's basically three things that makes fluids want to move
wanting to go to a lower point for liquids
moving to a less full section of pipe for liquids
trying to equalise fullness of pipe sections for gasses

[burnt ferry]

you cant really ignore headlift though..

[feral jay]

No, not headlift, I recall something about a hidden mechanic somewhere, I could be mistaken though

[leaden ether]

That sommersloop hidden inside ||of a uranium node...|| -.-

[feral jay]

I never factor it into my builds and they all work fine

[dense violet]

possibly? seems like something that can be ignored though

[burnt ferry]

theres lots of rumors stemming from the non directional nature of the pipe flow and the way how you have to use them differently then belts to make them work

[dense violet]

I tend to cut loose unimportant mechanics

[foggy heart]

Yeah but with all the jump cuts, and also he changes the layout a few times without mentioning anything, its very hard to follow along

[dense violet]

I think you just have to pause it a lot as he suggests

[shy fog]

is it possibly the fact that the flow rate is the only thing you're thinking about?

[feral jay]

Nah it's not flow rate

[burnt ferry]

😂 the tinitus sound effect there was driving me nuts

[dense violet]

but also I highly recommend you making your own plan and learn how to build. You'll get only a fraction of the experience jsut blindly copying something else w/o understanding it

[feral jay]

I'd really need to dig to see if it's even a thing

[burnt ferry]

i say its not

must be one of them rumors

as per occams razor

[swift tulip]

İs there a way to see how many people actually finished the game ?

[dense violet]

steam achievements? would be rough numbers

[shy fog]

well if it's not flow rate, and it's not head lift, and it's still about pressure mechanics you've eliminated the entire open and are going into the theoretical of fuel, rockets, and possibly the unlimited liquid rotation function

[dense violet]

and it's a sandbox. You finish it when you decide

[swift tulip]

Don't think there is a achivement for finishing

Nope there is

Im blind

[dense violet]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't

[south kindle]

Cool. Ty

[leaden ether]

4.3% of players have gotten the compleation of phase 5 achievement. Course, some number of those players are still playing the game...

[burnt ferry]

you calculate the difference of chat statements to the script of satisfactory youtube videos.. if the difference is less then 10% the person hasnt played through yet

the rest (like me) knows to use language such that it doesnt show (i.e. not watching them videos 👹 )

[dense violet]

some people also never bother with the final phase xD

[swift tulip]

Anyone here finished it?

I might need help

im braindead

[burnt ferry]

you need help that only can be provided by someone who finished it?

[dense violet]

just ask your question

[burnt ferry]

how come you know when you havent finished it?

[swift tulip]

Not that just wondered

[leaden ether]

I'm sure a farily large number of people here have. AS the more die hards are all still playing and still using this discord to chat about the game and show off their builds and such

[burnt ferry]

just dont forget you cant play the game effectively while chatting 👹

[foggy heart]

Yeah I know, thats why im starting with following along with a video instead of just download the blueprint file. I learn by watching, and once I'm confident that I semi know what I'm doing I'll start building my own stuff

[shy fog]

I have been capable of completion of the final phase for a long time... I just never did

[leaden ether]

I finished it some 600 hours ago or so.

[dense violet]

you've built other things like reinforced iron plates right?
frames are just the same with a couple extra streps 🙂 no special knowledge involved. Just give it a go

[shy fog]

I learn... by making it poorly the first time

I don't need to be good, or fast, or pretty, or anything more than... it works

[foggy heart]

Correct, but this is the first time i'm using alt recipes with weird ratios

[shy fog]

granted being slightly less than "Hey there" levels is ok

[dense violet]

just use clocking 🙂 again no different.
manifolds don't care about 'weird ratios'

manifolds are the honey badgers of satisfactory. They just don't care

most systems past this point are going to require clocking things properly for 'weird ratios', good way to get used to it.

[feral jay]

Bringing 5GW of power online

Which feels like a lot now, but...

[woven nebula]

hello, i died in the void yet i have keep inventory on, it worked before but did not this time and i lost everything. anyone know if i can get my stuff back by chance or gone?

and my character still makes the noise of the blade runners yet i have no effect of them

[feral jay]

Not sure, but if all else fails, I'd either reload an autosave, or use SCIM to edit the death crate back into my inventory

[leaden ether]

All I can think of to do is to save and reload maybe. (Er what ^ he said)

[atomic olive]

I should be automating ACUs, so of course I'm rebuilding a coal plant

because "I want to use this coal over here, so I should send that coal over there"

[leaden ether]

I ended up creating a death crate just today even though I have keep inventory on. I was mining a uranium ore without protection (don't ask) So now there is a death crate with just the uranium I was mining as I died in it and nothing else -.-

[crystal crypt]

why are 5degree turns so broken. Everytime I hold ctrl and scroll it wants to go to 10 degrees. Watched plenty of videos like TotalXclipse... and it doesn't function the same. WTH

Like why cant the Devs just give us the damn rotation increments already.

[woven nebula]

went back a few auto saves but i would loose to much progress into my build. how do i do the second option?

[feral jay]

Load you game in to the interactive map at https://satisfactory-calculator.com

The button to upload your save is at the top right somewhere

If you then right click on your player, you can edit your inventory

Then right click on the death crate and delete it

Then download and load the save of course

[woven nebula]

ight thankyou

[feral jay]

There's a few annoying bugs I work around with that editor

Like when you kill something on a resource well, you can't interact with it to pick it up

Woohoo! #screenshots message

FEEL THE POWAH!

[next folio]

Which power generators are u using?

biomass or coal generators?

[feral jay]

20 fuel generators

[next folio]

damn

i have half the capacity with 66 biomass generators

(dont ask why i have 66 biomass generators)

[feral jay]

My last save, I had hundreds

As backups, connected to a stupidly massive backup biofuel storage depot

[foggy heart]

Guys, I just made my first blue (a 4x4 modular frame factory) and saved it and everything. When I try to place it somewhere, the blueprint doesnt appear? Only thing that appears is a little white arrow.
When I click to place it, it takes all the building materials, but doesnt build anything

Am I doing something wrong or is my stuff bugging out?

[hidden bane]

Someone able to help with some train stuff? The pathing signals are being weird and honestly, I don't have a clue why they're playing up

Ok nevermind. Literally as soon as I said that the trains start working fine

[viral tendon]

Phase 4 is finally completed

[hidden bane]

Nice

[dense violet]

you probably have a session name with ! or - or other odd symbols

[viral tendon]

Have to give it to the game, completing phse 4 was easy

Not milestones tho

They lowk suck

1000 nuclear pasta?? Damn, that';s 1000 minutes with my production

[tranquil hemlock]

Me: "Ok, I either need to bring the iron and copper together for this build... Or I design a new blueprint using iron wire and only have to worry about iron... Hmmm"

[viral tendon]

I already have about 500 so i'm okay

[dense violet]

pretty normal tbh

basically never used copper wire after getting the alt

[viral tendon]

Idk i alwyas used copper wire

[dense violet]

iron is more plentiful and in more spots 🙂 often need the copper for other things

[tranquil hemlock]

XD fair. It's just a matter of dragging myself around to making the new BP

[viral tendon]

Pretty sure i don't even have iron wire

[dense violet]

its real convenient

[dense violet]

just make a basic constructor bp, copy paste the recipes in real fast

[tranquil hemlock]

Especially when tired and sore after waking up and going basically straight to the dentist this morning for a root canal

[modest mirage]

Hey quick question here, I've completed all the milestones for Tier 0, Tier 1, and Tier 2. Tier 0 and 1 are fully greyed out but my Tier 2 is flashing even though I've completed all the milestones? It's nothing game breaking, I'm just curious if there's something I'm missing?

[dense violet]

did something new get added in 1.1?

[foggy heart]

I dont tho, i just reloaded my game and it started working. Although the first blueprint I built that didnt appear, still didnt appear, and the resources for it are still missing

[foggy heart]

session name is literally just "The Boys"

[dense violet]

hmm maybe spaces do it too? can't recall. :\

I've never had this issue with session names and BPs not appearing though. Just see it a lot on the #1038092680493801533 .

[feral jay]

yeah they really shouldn't have allowed spaces or weird characters in session names, there's no way to account for the operating system handles that once you start releasing on console/steam deck/etc

[dense violet]

tbf, I think this is the only issue that's come up from it

[grizzled lotus]

so I just realized that lizards don't actually come to me with stuff, they just stay around in their area. so should I add markers for them on the map?

[willow birch]

Look up doggo pens. Do that if you want to farm items.

Otherwise you can let it be a surprise when you go back to an area

[dense violet]

they'll despawn if not tamed and in a pen

[feral jay]

I currently have five of them in my farm

They've brought me enough circuit boards/computers/connectors for a couple of unlocks

And a single nuke nobelisk

[peak wasp]

so giant sky highways? yes or no?

[dense violet]

if you care about aesthetics? I'd say hard no

if you care zero about looks? sure. why not

[feral jay]

It's easy enough to build something around them that looks anti-grav ish

I've had a few over the swamp or the jungle

lol I don't think I'll ever need the 300 fabric/min I just set up a line for

[dense violet]

even with anti grave signs/engines it just looks off having a ton of infrastructure in the sky.

[feral jay]

I prefer to build on the ground anyway, it's more interesting to work with the terrain

[rancid sapphire]

anyone here play satisfactory?

[feral jay]

This channel is just to complain about how awful the game is

[tropic juniper]

never heard of that game. sounds like a cheesy pun

[rancid sapphire]

I thought so too but it's pretty fun

the trailers n stuff are kinda misleading but it's a blast

[feral jay]

Hrm, might this be the problem? #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

only fucking losers play that game

[feral jay]

And nerds

Spreadsheet geeks

[peak wasp]

yeah bunch of loser nerds

[tropic juniper]

soy un perdedorrrrr 🎶

[halcyon raft]

why we need 2 programmable spliters? but we cant get programable merger.

[tropic juniper]

priority merger good enough

[halcyon raft]

its dont work

[tropic juniper]

use programable splitter to remove things you dont want merged at all from the line

[placid stirrup]

Yeah and imagine not having your username be Tsunami

[halcyon raft]

an this saving bug they still dont fix it, all time its saving and launcing you to sky

[tropic juniper]

Yeah totally

[halcyon raft]

they makint new stupid shit and cant fix ancient bugs

[placid stirrup]

Hold on lemme find my world's tiniest violin

[tropic juniper]

new to pc gaming huh? physics bugs aren't just "fixed" like that

you get a warning that a save is about to happen. thats all you get

[halcyon raft]

i get humans say life is life, but if you say game is game, so what you doing here?

[tropic juniper]

playin

[placid stirrup]

Bro is onto nothing

[errant shadow]

does anyone else think the new braided cables are ridiculously expensive? they cost an entire steel beam per meter, whereas things like the painted beams only require 0.25 beams per meter

[placid stirrup]

All we need is Whirlpool and then we can start a band

[tropic juniper]

Rogue Wave can be the keytarist

[placid stirrup]

I like the cut of your jib

[tropic juniper]

the show will be just happening and he'll appear outta no where and rip a hard solo

[placid stirrup]

In the middle of the crowd

[tropic juniper]

well i'm coming up with pure silly. i need sleep. night night

[placid stirrup]

Ditto, peace chat

[charred ruin]

can gas mask filters inside a dimensional depot be used like normal?

or do they need to be in the inventory

[placid stirrup]

Any consumable has to be in your inventory to be used

[fathom shuttle]

It takes 9.5mins for my train to fill up by the plastic and rubber factory

I should be ok to use one train for this

[empty grotto]

idk if that is the right channle to send this in but
I have a dilemma. I'm new to the game (skill-wise), but I'm already in the late game(for reference I just started construction on a Time Crystals manufacturing setup) The problem is, all of my builds look terrible. There's conveyor spaghetti everywhere, all wrapped around a rectangular building that's a mess on the inside. So, should I restart in a new world, or destroy everything and rebuild it from scratch?

[boreal musk]

at that point, just finish the game first

[minor rock]

you could start again and finish it once it comes back to you

[shy mulch]

Once you've finished and unlocked everything, leave what you have in place, build up the same stuff but nicer design and layout and more organised in another part of the world. No need to destroy, plenty space for all, the world is big

[latent prawn]

yeah, i tend to agree, if you've gotten to phase 5, might as well finish it all and then do another more aesthetic playthrough

[boreal musk]

spaghetti nightmare in first playthrough is normal

[frail sleet]

Finish game then start over how you want (i play some normal worlds, and one which has all tech unlocked from the start)

where you are, you can spaghetti finish in a matter of hours

---

@plush pumice "this singular project takes at least an hour to calculate everything, even when i have as little possible stuff open and Modeler prioritized"

I have no idea how you managed that. I've got a 1.1 TW ficsonium plant in there and it takes like 0.1, 0.2 seconds

[fathom shuttle]

Finish the game, enjoy it and maybe start a second playthrough when a big content update comes out

[steel sluice]

Complete your current world and restart after that.

[fathom shuttle]

Also wtf is that name

[charred ruin]

is there anything like the sink but for fluids?

[frail sleet]

no

[charred ruin]

damn

so i just have to keep putting buffers down for my aluminium water

[frail sleet]

or just spend equal or more water than they produce

[fathom shuttle]

I think you can package the water and sink it

[charred ruin]

oh yeah

that would work

[edgy swift]

If someone had #1201555265942724758 requirements for my post it'd be crazy

[frail sleet]

package water and sink is pretty bad i think, wet concrete works better for disposal, but usually people use the water to make useful stuff.

Like more aluminum

[fathom shuttle]

Yea packaged works for small quantities

If you have free plastic production available it’s a pretty good option

[frail sleet]

another dumb thing that works is putting a giant line of refineries so that refinery 5 runs on refinery 4's water which runs on refinery 3's water which runs on refinery 2's water etc. Spits out less and less waste water each time and so long as the waste water of the last refinery is taken care of, can't lock up.

[dense violet]

no, use it in the initial step, like in these example diagrams https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1286300794311938099/1286343954157277307/alum_options.png?ex=686f2f69&is=686ddde9&hm=fd089af4e5402e66422294daef667abc93cafcad2d9d5db2238d0480c74c153f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=934&height=1320

don't need to make plastic for containers or set up concrete or anything else

[fathom shuttle]

I thought of using the wet concrete recipe to get rid of the waste water

Little did I know I needed like 4k limestone to dispose of the waste water lol

[dense violet]

work for no reason, but sure

[charred ruin]

i would, but i already set up a water extractor providing all the water i need

[dense violet]

so just delete a couple?

[charred ruin]

because i forgot it produces water by itself

[dense violet]

it's not like you have to add more

[viral tendon]

Why do i need mroe power for converter if i use sloops

[dense violet]

deleting some water extractors is less work than building a whole extra system

[frail sleet]

cause sloops make things cost 4x more power

[dense violet]

sloops are like 4x the power cost

[charred ruin]

im only using one

[dense violet]

so just under clock it. even easier

[dense violet]

OR leave it alone and just over feed water to the main section

[viral tendon]

So endgame sloops are just additional power shards without more input, unlike before, without more input and more power

[fathom shuttle]

How long would a 60 nuclear power plant take to build? I’d hate if it took like 100 hours lol

[charred ruin]

i dont have a main section, i just use water where its needed

[dense violet]

they're basically jsut a duping mechanics. Soft creative mode.

[viral tendon]

Just shut up

I'm sorry but really

How is it soft creative mode

[fathom shuttle]

What is bro on about

[dense violet]

duping items is basically a creative mode thing. This just takes a tiny bit of effort for it instead of it totally free

[viral tendon]

Because they're limited???

You can't sloop every machine you want

[dense violet]

"So endgame sloops are just additional power shards without more input, unlike before, without more input and more power" <- overclocking also needs more input per min

[dense violet]

still soft creative

[viral tendon]

Nope

It's added in basic game

Not creative mode, just basic safe file

Basic gme no changes in settings

[dense violet]

are you suggesting creative modes in games aren't part of the game?

[viral tendon]

It's not soft creative mode

[viral tendon]

Read again

[dense violet]

I mean, tell yourself what makes you feel better. I'm not your mum

[viral tendon]

Literally said basic safe file not creative mode

Basic game no changes in settings

[viral tendon]

I mean, tell yourself what makes you feel better than others

[dense violet]

Not interested. gl with things though.

[viral tendon]

"Me not use things that make life easier, me better 👹 "

[viral tendon]

Not interested

Hope you'll find a better way to feel better

[ivory condor]

So last night we were arguing about belt throughputs, tonight its about sloops, stay toned to find out what it is tomorrow

[viral tendon]

No, this guy has been trying to prove me that sloops are soft creative mode a lot

Not to mention trying to prove dimensional depot

[ivory condor]

I find it interesting it seems to happen lately around the same time too

[viral tendon]

is soft creative

[dense violet]

I think I made some working set ups to show them how it works though

[ivory condor]

Don't tell me belts don't deliver their advertised throughput

[dense violet]

no no I showed how even timed machiens on an output manifold didn't buffer backwards

[viral tendon]

Are we fr

[dense violet]

I suspect something else had been going on in their builds or maybe were accidentally creating the duping bug pre 1.0

[viral tendon]

This chat can't be serious

[ivory condor]

I'm never serious, you should know that

Its a game after all

[dense violet]

I've never seen you write an unserious comment in my life

[ivory condor]

hmmm really

[viral tendon]

Like trying to prove that belts are not doing what the game says they do?

Yikes

[ivory condor]

Well that was basically the argument last night, or that was the best I could tell

[viral tendon]

That's... interesting thing to say

[dense violet]

they thought that sometimes, under some conditions, mergers on an output manifold sometimes backed up flow w/o it being a throughput issue

[ivory condor]

You should go read that discussion, it was very interesting

[viral tendon]

I don't have time for it i need to grind

[dense violet]

ok, now ive seen you type an unserious thing

[ivory condor]

hmmm I have never seen that, unless it was a bug

I did have bugs where mergers just stopped outputting, but that wasn't intended behavior

[dense violet]

there used to be dupe bugs around.
or maybe it was something weirder?

best guess is that something really obscure/rare happened to them multiple times. Which can lead anyone to create an incorrect notion

[viral tendon]

30 time crystal/m production is done

[dense violet]

Imagine being someone whose been hit by lightning multiple times

[viral tendon]

Hope that will be enough for some time

Cuz 9 power shards were used

[ivory condor]

I have had weird things happen to me so many times in this game I have lost count, i just count it as undocumented features now

like train teleporting, thats a fun feature

[viral tendon]

Just for miners

Crazy how 30 diamods/m need 600 coal/m

[dense violet]

maybe your system is a bit weird? I think I've had a teleporting train once in all my time? either that or it collided with itself

[ivory condor]

the base recipes for diamonds need crazy amounts of coal

[dense violet]

and derailed

[viral tendon]

I have to say converter got a lot of raw resource conversions recipes

[viral tendon]

20 coal for 1 diamond bro

That's like... a lot

May i ask what's the best recipe to use for ficsite ingot?

[ivory condor]

who knows, but everytime i go back to retesting that saves, yeah the trains are still teleporting in it, even in 1.1

havent quite figured out the conditions that really make it happen and what is the logic to it

[boreal musk]

best as in what? the most sam efficient? use aluminum

[viral tendon]

With converter, can't you minimize the use reousrces orther than iron

[viral tendon]

Kinda dumb question but is there more iron on the map or caterium?

[boreal musk]

dont forget converters need sams, which is already low amount to begin with

[boreal musk]

yes, but we are talking about sam cost here

[viral tendon]

But there'sd not a lot of crude oil tho

[boreal musk]

??

[viral tendon]

I keep forgetting aluminum is made of water

I'm sorry

Ig i will be using aluminum one

[ivory condor]

depends how you value resources, if you dont want to use aluminium, what about copper, you can use that to make ingots to

thats the problem with asking best recipes, its all relative

the game gives many routes to reach what goal you might have

[shy mulch]

50 power shards per minute factory is done 😎
Next task: 37.5 superposition oscillators per minute, this will be a bit harder. Going to do a separate factory for each of the inputs, then drone them to where they need to be
Once that's done I can finally automate my power matrix production, that will boost my power from 650 giggitywangs to 950 giggitywangs

[lucid pagoda]

did you trade your sanity for this?

[shy mulch]

I had no sanity to begin with

[lucid pagoda]

i see, that explains how people beat this game

im burnt out right before aluminum, lol

[shy mulch]

Take each thing one step at a time bud. If you step back and look at the big picture it's terrifying. Just break down each task into smaller chunks

[lucid pagoda]

rn im procrastinating a 5 heavy modular frame per min factory

tomorrow imma do it tho cus now i have a spot scoped out

[shy mulch]

HMF have 4 inputs. Work out how much of each input you need, and treat that as 4 separate tasks. Take each one as a project on its own. When all 4 are done, then feeding them together is relatively simple

[lucid pagoda]

thats an interesting way to do it, never rlly thought about it all that way

i usually tally how much i need of a certain part for all production and do it that way, like 30 rods for one part, 60 for another

[frail sleet]

it's called chunking, and is an extremely powerful technique ingame and out

[viral tendon]

The fuck is giggywangs

Is quagmire one of the devs

[shy mulch]

I just refuse to say gigawatts, even though it's correct, because I'm stubborn and quirky

Chunking is a term used for other things too, for example, it can be used to describe how I eat
"I like to chunk it chunk it, I like to chunk it chunk it"

[dense violet]

say 5 giga milli watts instead

[shy mulch]

gigamilliwatts surely is just a megawatt?

[dense violet]

...what's your point?

😛

[shy mulch]

people here get huffy when you say 950000 MW instead of 950 GW

[dense violet]

and this will get them huffier

5000gigamilliwatts!

[shy mulch]

I went for a walk earlier and kept up a steady pace of 50 parsecs per terafortnight

Ooh microparsecs per megafortnight sounds better

[round gale]

Question

[shy mulch]

50 microparsecs per megafortnight, yes, that's my walking speed

[dense violet]

I think thats still very fast xD

[shy mulch]

I just worked it out, actually I was about 65

[dense violet]

fair, a mega fortnight is a big unit of time I suppose

[shy mulch]

65μpc/Mfn

[round gale]

I fell incredibly overwhelmed, I made an excel chart and everything but just can't manage, don't know if it's becuadr of all these uneven, half empty belts or what. But I'm trying to automate 100 ai limiters, high-speed connectors, and computers a minute, and 10 supercomputers a min. I have all the resources but just CAN'T build it for some reason. I am building vertically but idk if that's even the issue. I'm DYING for advice, is it too high of an amount? Or anything along those lines

[dense violet]

almost 39 thousand years :d

[dense violet]

I'll ping you in #math-and-meta

[shy mulch]

Break it down into smaller chunks

[round gale]

Can't quite do that is the issue

I'm building the factory, from caterium ore to supercomputers. In an 8x8 wide, prolly 100-200 tall tower

[shy mulch]

Which recipe are you using

[round gale]

I'm at the point where I started to spaghetti and still can't figure it out. And I am ocd god

[round gale]

Pure caterium then all caterium recipes for curcut boards and anything computer related

[dense violet]

well come on over to #math-and-meta 😛

[charred ruin]

Almost a gigawatt of production

And i dont even have nuclear power yet

[boreal musk]

you mean terrawatt?

[charred ruin]

Is terrwatt 10k

If so yes

[boreal musk]

1TW = 1000GW = 1000000MW

somehow my brain doesnt work and forgot to add 3 zeros

[charred ruin]

I just closed the game and already forgot which Unit the power is shown in 💀

[shy mulch]

it's shown in MW

[charred ruin]

Then yeah, about to hit a gigawatt

[shy mulch]

Good 🙂

Mostly using coal power?

[charred ruin]

Nah

Coal, oil and geothermals

The geothermals are doing most of heavy lifting

[shy mulch]

You should be able to set up more power with fuel generators

[charred ruin]

Yeah

Probably

But geothermals are relatively cheap, and with the dim depot

I can just fly around the map and place one down on each geyser

[shy mulch]

Yes they are easy free power 🙂

[charred ruin]

I think my peak is about 9700

Ofc once i go nuclear, thats going to skyrocket

Tho now that you mention fuel, i do need to increase my plastic production

[shy mulch]

Fuel generators can be easier to scale up big. A lot of people don't even bother with nuclear at all

[south elm]

Jesus i just set up my first train connecton beetwen starting base and an oil base and riding on that train when i automated it was the most joy and fun i had from video game in ages.
Such an amazing piece of software, thank god this game is as popular as it is

[charred ruin]

From what I remember of my EA playthrough, nuclear reactors arent too difficult to maintain

[shy mulch]

No maintenance required at all. Just the setup is a bit more complicated than fuel.

[charred ruin]

Yeah

I think im also gonna make the plutonium fuel

And thats really the only one you need to keep an eye on

[shy mulch]

Or ficsonium if you have it available 🙂

[charred ruin]

I have not heard of ficsonium

Is that something that was added with 1.0?

[fathom shuttle]

750 perfectly divides by 93.75…. This is satisfactory

It’s literally perfect

[marble matrix]

they keep saying manifold line in tuts vids. wat does that mean

[reef basin]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

(also I'd recommend playing on your own instead of watching tutorials)

[south bramble]

why do my wall textures keep bugging

[fathom shuttle]

How viable is it to load balance 12/min rods into 24 nuclear reactors?

[steady glade]

manifolds are splitters/mergers in series feeding into/from machines, as opposed to balancers which split the belts into more exact numbers before feeding into machines

[reef basin]

you can just direct input them as well, afaik the ratio is 1:2 or 1:3 based on recipe used

[fathom shuttle]

Using the uranium fuel unit I think I can group 5 manufacturers to feed 6 reactors, and use a 6 way split to load balance it

This is how it works right?

But ngl it’s kind pointless to load balance all this since the goal is to reduce radioactivity, and I plan to manifold all the radioactive stuff lol

[shy mulch]

Another option is just to underclock the manufacturers and have each one feed 1:1 straight into a reactor

Free to do it whatever way you like really

[half scaffold]

@plush pumice What am I looking at with that screenshow with all the resources?

[analog cliff]

can anyone help me with oil i dont understand it

[shy mulch]

it's black stuff and it comes out the ground 😄

[analog cliff]

[shy mulch]

What exactly do you need help with

[analog cliff]

The ratio

[shy mulch]

Ratio of what

[ripe basin]

I think its 8 refineries for plastic/rubber per pure node

[analog cliff]

I will use YouTube I forgot about YouTube

[ripe basin]

Do not

[shy mulch]

If you ask a question, we can help, but there's no question here lol

[ripe basin]

Do the math yourself

[analog cliff]

Well this is the first time making oil so I don't know what to do @shy mulch

[shy mulch]

It's the same as anything else. You can make iron plates? Put thing in machine, machine outputs other thing

[ripe basin]

Place the oil extractor on the node
Overclock it if you really want to
Do the math to figure out how many refineries do you need
Divide refineries by 2 and now you know how many you need for plastic or rubber

[analog cliff]

Okay thanks

[ripe basin]

You can do it

[analog cliff]

i had to grabe my note book for this

[dense violet]

oil is like everything else.

figure out how much product you want to make, then how much oil that will need, then how many machines 🙂

[analog cliff]

i am going make it if needed i can make it bige=ger

bigger

[ruby steppe]

or pick a spot where you will make oil factory count how much oil there is and use all of it

[random sage]

started the game today, but how do you actually count how much oil there is? oil is a liquid no?

[sharp loom]

🥳 I have played games 30 years, and this is my favourite game so far! 🥳

[ripe basin]

You can count it in m3

[random sage]

m3?

[ripe basin]

Cubic meters

[lost wagon]

Just see the numbers

[true mulch]

what exactly are you trying to "count"

[lost wagon]

Machine ask for 120 m3, you five 120 m3, same thing as solid resource, don't need to worry about the m3 part

[reef basin]

I love how this game makes some people confused about metric system

[true mulch]

some people brain fart when they first get to oil for some reason

[dense violet]

it's pretty common

and weird xD

[true mulch]

I mean specifically they deal and understand the difference between per-cycle and per-min when dealing with items, but get confused when oil comes into play

[dense violet]

oh yeah, totally fine with cycles and matching things up to then

[shy mulch]

You'd have loved the chat earlier. I went a walk at a pace of 65 milliparsecs per megafortnight, it was glorious

[south sinew]

IMO the power display could be improved to count things in GW when appropriate

[reef basin]

Imo that would confuse even more people xD

[true mulch]

if you were to prefix inches with metric prefixes, would you get centinches or centiinches

[reef basin]

You would get jail time for crimes against humanity

[south sinew]

I don't entirely agree. The game is otherwise consistently in metric, there's just one place where it randomly doesn't metric. At least using metric everywhere would mean people just have to learn metric one time

[dense violet]

beat me to it

[reef basin]

20000MW is still metric though?

[ripe basin]

Where doesnt it metric

[south sinew]

it is technically metric but not exactly how a normal person would choose to express that in metric I feel

[shy mulch]

I have absolutely zero confusion about the metric system. But I maintain that the game is complex enough, using alternative SI prefixes just opens another avenue for people to get mixed up. If the game says 650000 MW then I'm sticking with 650000 MW, I'm not going to say 650 GW because that's an increase in surface area for other people to misread or misunderstand

[reef basin]

Factorio does that but I feel that the audiences are somehow different and it won't work for SF (as well as it does in Factorio)

[ivory condor]

all i know is fusion reactors go brrrr

[reef basin]

Given the amount people who are dead set on existence of kMW

[ripe basin]

Whats kMW

KiloMegaWatt?

[reef basin]

Nothing

[true mulch]

a wrong way to say gigawatt

[shy mulch]

I maintain it's perfectly valid

[ivory condor]

heresy

[reef basin]

Metric definition says it's not

[ivory condor]

bring out the pitch forks!

[true mulch]

only took a gap of 4 messages

[shy mulch]

If you have 65 GW and I ask how many MW you have. The answer to my question is 65k

[true mulch]

you can still answer that question as 65 GW

[reef basin]

I'm gonna suggest a QA site feature where the game pairs with discord and when you say "kMW", it randomly deletes one belt segment from your save

[true mulch]

"how many millions are in your billions"

[reef basin]

"65k" is valid answer
"65kMW" is not

[velvet idol]

"65k MW" with a space

[reef basin]

Not valid, is equal to without space

[shy mulch]

I have a compromise. I accept that kMW is not a valid unit. But saying 65k as a quantity of MW is fine

[velvet idol]

65k units of MW

[true mulch]

correct, but that leads to what Joske sent

[velvet idol]

sounds perfectly valid to me

[shy mulch]

We thought the same thing but I wrote too much 😂

[reef basin]

Space doesn't help. The difference is "includes units vs doesn't include units"

[shy mulch]

kMW without a space is claiming kMW to be the unit. That is an invalid unit.
Putting a space, k MW is using a unit of MW, which is a valid unit, and saying you have a quantity of them that is a multiple of a thousand

[true mulch]

but that's GW then

[reef basin]

"65k" is non-metric way of saying thousands
"65k MW" (with or without space) is now saying amount of metric units, which follows metric rules (e.g. no compound prefixes)

[true mulch]

"10M kW"

[reef basin]

See my message above

[shy mulch]

Also valid. kW is a valid unit and you have 10 million of them

[true mulch]

"10T µW"

[velvet idol]

10 million units of kW, perfectly valid

[reef basin]

Nope

[true mulch]

I give up

[velvet idol]

yep

[ripe basin]

Yuh uh

[true mulch]

10/10 ragebait

[ivory condor]

[reef basin]

The "M" is used in metric context, so it's a prefix

[shy mulch]

It is not a compound prefix though

[reef basin]

It is

Why wouldn't it be?

[shy mulch]

The unit is MW

[true mulch]

no, the unit is W

[reef basin]

The unit is W

[shy mulch]

The unit is always MW, the prefix is M

[reef basin]

MW is not metric unit

[shy mulch]

OK bad terminology from me, OK, but the prefix is M

[ripe basin]

True, because (mega)watts

[dense violet]

🍿

[reef basin]

Prefix is anything from SI set of prefixes. Including k = kilo

[reef basin]

Leave some for me

[ripe basin]

Theres kilowatts (At least in russian, idk about everything else)

[reef basin]

Sure. But not kilomegawatts/kilo megawatts

[ripe basin]

Thats just strange

[shy mulch]

I have an amount of MW, the amount is 50, I can say I have 50 MW, the quantity is 50, the prefix is M, the unit is W
Bob has an amount of MW, the amount is 50k, he has 50k MW, the quantity is 50k, the prefix is M (no compound, just M, the k is not part of the prefix, it is part of the value)

[reef basin]

That's just metric

[true mulch]

to put it differently, it's like saying you have thousand ten watts instead of ten thousand watts

[shy mulch]

That's changing the order of how numbers work

[reef basin]

The "k" still means "kilo", since we're in metric context. The fact that people implemented it outside of metric (incorrectly) doesn't change how metric works

[ripe basin]

What if i combine some dark chocolate with milk in a blender?

[shy mulch]

Depends, is it lizard doggo milk?

[ripe basin]

No

[shy mulch]

Yes the k does mean kilo, but it's entirely unrelated to the prefix M, which in the context is an entirely different entity

[true mulch]

the problem is that they're beside each other

[reef basin]

It's still "kilo megawatt", the space just makes it even more wrong

[shy mulch]

It's not, you're still considering kilo and mega to be part of the same thing, they are entirely separate entities

The prefix kM is absolutely not valid, I agree, but that's not what this is

[ripe basin]

Why do we even use "k" for thousands

[shy mulch]

Most stuff like this dates back to Greek origins

[reef basin]

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_686e402c74208191a563d104fecfd835

[true mulch]

The prefix kilo is derived from the Greek word χίλιοι (chilioi), meaning "thousand".

[half scaffold]

If I set up a sorting array going into containers using Smart Splitters with items on the Right/Left and Undefined in the middle, what happens when the container is full? Or do I need to have a Smart Splitter between the sorting splitter and the container to catch the overflow?

[true mulch]

when sorting, use item/overflow/item instead of item/undefined/item

the entire system would clog as soon as either item clogs

[ripe basin]

You can just set the middle output of smart splitter to overflow

[true mulch]

use the overflow output as the input of the next splitter in line

[half scaffold]

Ok, I wasn't sure how Overflow worked, thank you

[reef basin]

They can't be separate entities since the number AND unit is the same entity, as they make no sense without each other

[true mulch]

items go to overflow if they can't go anywhere else, so by default it acts as undefined, but also allows the "defined" items to pass if there's no room

[shy mulch]

Aw I can't share GPT links. Dang trusted member favouritism 😝

[dense violet]

and protecting our eyes from ai slop

[velvet idol]

meanwhile greeny, not 10 minutes ago also posting AI slop

[ripe basin]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[ripe basin]

"Minor spelling mistake"

[pulsar bobcat]

how do i make turbo fuel work like how much fuel do i need to make it worthwhile instead of just using normal fuel

cus 18.75 is a really weird number

[shy mulch]

Long story short, I explained the situation fully to GPT and it says while you're right in a strictly technical view, my way is perfectly acceptable in an informal setting, and prioritises readability over technical standards, especially for a non technical audience, which I'd argue is the priority here most of the time, for most people

[reef basin]

It's the same as any other number

[true mulch]

turbofuel often isn't worth the hassle compared to just making more diluted fuel, because you usually have to import sulfur from far away

[ripe basin]

Burn rate of regular fuel is 20p/m
Turbo fuel is about 6p/m

[shy mulch]

If you want integers, do it x4

[reef basin]

Because chatgpt is known to favorite your opinion, hence why I asked neutral non-opinionated question, to get the most non-biased opinion

[shy mulch]

I am biased to my own opinion though 😄

[viral tendon]

You like can't share ai content here sadly

[pulsar bobcat]

its 7.5 and one refiner produces 18.75 per minute therefore it only powers 2 same as normal fuel

without overclocking

[ripe basin]

I just made 1 refinery for packaged turbofuel for jetpack

[shy mulch]

I have 19200 power shards, can anyone confirm if power shard is a metric unit or can I say 19.2k ? 😛

[ripe basin]

Literally how

[reef basin]

Which is the entire point

[hasty cradle]

What is your playtime?

[shy mulch]

What do you mean? They are in storages

[viral tendon]

There's a recipe for it in mam

[ripe basin]

Fair enough

[viral tendon]

Yeah, it's PwS exactly like this

[shy mulch]

After I've done my homework 😄

[viral tendon]

There's no KPwS

[ripe basin]

I forgot about synthetic power shards

[viral tendon]

You have to say 19200 PwS

[shy mulch]

Thanks for confirming! 😄

[reef basin]

As said many times, when in non-metric context (saying a number), using "k" is fine-ish (it's not metric)

The problem is when you're not giving a number, but amount of units, at which point you shoud comply with metric rules on how units are defined and discussed

[velvet idol]

no, you have 19.2 kilopowershards, you have to be correct

[shy mulch]

It's been fun @reef basin I'm happy to leave it as an agree to disagree moment, because I don't think either of us is ever going to budge an inch on this lol

[green fiber]

Kilomillimeter

[viral tendon]

What were you arguing about

[untold mirage]

I have a problem and don't know what to do. I am currently trying to 100% the game, and despite the fact that I unlocked all technical milestones months ago I still did not get the achievement, and on steam it reads that I am missing one . Did anyone experience something similar, or is there any known solution how to fix it? if possible I'd rather not do a whole other playthrough in hopes of getting that mythical last random milestone

[reef basin]

No you're just making absurd wrong examples instead reading my message

[hollow needle]

how much does lumen affect your fps?

[shy mulch]

I read your message and disagreed :p

[viral tendon]

I saw something about chatgpt being biased

[ripe basin]

Im going to throw some chocolate and milk into a blender and press the button

[velvet idol]

inch
he's using non-metric, get him

[shy mulch]

kiloryans vs megacats

[viral tendon]

😭

[ivory condor]

[green fiber]

Why use "feet" when dozens of inches is perfectly good

[velvet idol]

because feet

[shy mulch]

I'm going to try to start using nanoparsecs in daily conversation

[leaden turret]

because they are on the end of my legs

[green fiber]

Your 2 dozen inches

[viral tendon]

feet🤤

[green fiber]

I see i awoke the foot fetishists

[shy mulch]

Actually that scale doesn't work so well in daily use, might have to go for picoparsecs

[viral tendon]

I'm not one of them tho

[green fiber]

Yes U R

[viral tendon]

This is just a joke tho

[green fiber]

It all starts as a joke

[shy mulch]

I walked 11 ppc last night

[green fiber]

Until you get too much into it

[viral tendon]

And it ends as a joke

[leaden turret]

I googled that and it comes up as just under 5 earth radii

[viral tendon]

I play satisfactory all day do you think i ahve time for it

[leaden turret]

pay per click? 😛

[shy mulch]

picoparsecs!

11 ppc is just shy of 6km

[viral tendon]

60 parsecs

Cool game

[green fiber]

Anyway, time to preach for pirate english supremacy:

Yarr, dozens of fathoms of decks to be built!

[ripe basin]

I made myself a chocolate milkshake

[ivory condor]

I count everything in planck time myself

[viral tendon]

Does it have nuclear plant in it

[ripe basin]

Yes it does

[viral tendon]

Like nuclear power plant

Cool

Did you guys know that peter griffin has caused over 2 billion$ of damage to Quahog and springfield

[shy mulch]

The best and most fundamental of units

[viral tendon]

I use peter griffins as a measure units

[rotund pivot]

shedletskys are better

[ripe basin]

It tastes like milk chocolate, even though i used dark one

[viral tendon]

It's because of a nuclaer power plant 🤦🏻‍♂️

People these days can't even understand what they're addin

[ripe basin]

Its because of sheer amount of sugar that i added

[viral tendon]

Dunkin' donuts amount of sugar?

[ripe basin]

Something like that, yes

[viral tendon]

Yikes

Got 14 blue slugs, 10 orange and 4 purple ones, gonna be a plenty amount of power shards

[ripe basin]

Sloop the constructor

[viral tendon]

Yeah ik

I'll powershard the powershard production

[viral tendon]

Nvm it's 155 billion

[edgy swift]

What is the best way to get ppl in #1201555265942724758

[ripe basin]

Money

[edgy swift]

Actual advice

[shy mulch]

You'll explode when you unlock synthetic power shards. I'm making 50 per minute 😄

[reef basin]

Most people don't like to play with randoms, so LFG is pretty barren in general. I'd say answering other people's LFG has a higher chance of success

[undone kestrel]

Just started probably my 15th save 😂

For me, satisfactory is becoming the new minecraft where I grind it for like 2 months a year

[viral tendon]

Thats actually the reason i was on the hunt for them

Iced coffee is so good

[boreal musk]

i do wish synthetic power shards were sinkable tho

[viral tendon]

I don't think that's a good idea

[lone cape]

Does anyone wanna play satisfactory my user is exity on steam

[shy mulch]

People who drink iced coffee are maniacs. Imagine having actual self control. The only reason I don't drink coffee by the gallon is it's too hot. If I allowed myself iced coffee my heart rate would be 35000 kMbpm

[viral tendon]

I don't drink it as much because after that the cup is so freaking messy

And there's a lof of ice left that doesn't just dissappear

And it uses a lot of milk

[shy mulch]

Make them into alien power matrix

[dense violet]

turn them into fuel 😛

[boreal musk]

well yes both are solid option, but then again its just ocd problem, i want everything to always run

[dense violet]

you can then sink the fuel and have it always run?

[boreal musk]

yes but if i grab some of the power shards, it will kill the production of said fuel

hence i said everything always run

[dense violet]

sometimes sloop the shards for excess

creative mode your way out of the issue

[boreal musk]

slooping it means extra dark residue

means extra machine to get rid of it

[dense violet]

buffer it and get rid of it the same time as you grab the extra shards.

[unkempt blade]

I think you should make like a thousand storage containers for the power shard output so it always runs for some silly amount of runtime

then it can be a bigger problem for later-you

[hard ivy]

package and sink the fuel. then the shards always run, and you don't have to worry about fuel production being inconsistent