satisfactory

[mystic island]

Bro ngl, I think I'll just leave my semi-spaghetti base behind and start over somewhere else.

Like steel rotors?

[dense violet]

that's the one I think

[mystic island]

I haven't found that recipe yet.

And I hope I get lucky with the hard drives because holyyy

[dense violet]

could always just build rotors elsewhere and import them in 🙂

big part of the game is expanding after all

[latent prawn]

or have multiple rotor factories to feed different things

[mystic island]

It is yeah.

I just get so lazy when stuff isn't close to each other. Aka 90% of the game.

I haven't played in a long while and just returned to my old save file.

Part of me wants to start fresh but another is saying to suck it up and continue.

[dense violet]

if you haven't started a new game since before 1.0 a fresh one will unlock story and all that properly

and don't be afraid of just making long belts. Totally fine, especially when you haven't completed all the tiers

[mystic island]

Maybe I'll just have to accept things aren't going to be pretty. Though I'll not create spaghetti hell either.

I was experimenting with making buildings but those take so much time.

I guess I'll just settle with "good enough" and get to the end of the story. Then I can try to be pretty in my next file.

[dense violet]

honestly, imo, you're probably going to feel burnt out going up the tiers trying to make things pretty since you can't realistically plan for your whole world early on and your needs will change a lot

[maiden island]

i got my nuke power plant all set up got the fuel in and it reads no power

[leaden ether]

SO it's either: Reactor not connected to electrical grid, no fuel in reactor, no water in reactor or reacter waste has filled it's internal buffer

[rose field]

Running around for leaves and wood is wasting my time....

[dense violet]

sprint holding e, it'll auto punch leaves.
collect about 10,000 leaves and turn it all into solid bio mass with machines, more fuel efficient. Should be enouhg to get you to coal power

[raven plank]

animal protein converts to a lot of biomass if you get the recipe

[dawn storm]

will 1.1 have half ramp?

[dense violet]

hasn't been advertised afaik

[maiden island]

i put in screen shots please take a look

[maiden jacinth]

rushing the awesome sink for a challange
gonna have to get dna caps I think to get tickets fast enough

[leaden ether]

Yeah I would guess you need a pump on that water pipe

[maiden island]

pump worked thank you

[latent prawn]

as far as we know, 1.1 is now feature complete

i wouldn't be surprised if final release of it has something extra as a surprise from what's on EA (extra boombox tape, some new build gun trinket, etc), but what's on experimental now is about what you'll see in a few days on EA

[maiden jacinth]

what are the best things to sink early game

[maiden island]

what things would you like to see for end game after you compete t9 and see credits

[maiden jacinth]

I wanna go to the moon

[rustic otter]

we arent on earth

[maiden jacinth]

the moon of whatever planet we're on

[rustic otter]

it does have some close planets near by

[true juniper]

Alien Protein and Dna is crazy

[rustic otter]

not every planet has a moon

[maiden jacinth]

yea but another planet is too big and useful

[rustic otter]

also get a doggo and loot crash sites for the high tier lot

[maiden jacinth]

a moon is much easier to just kinda have and be not too impactful

how do you get a doggo

[rustic otter]

find a orange lizard (doggo) drag and drop paleberry from ur inventory around 10-15 meters away, u can hit alt+lmb to do a ping for distance, once u drop the paleberry, crouch, and stay extremely still, as in dont tiuch ur mouse or keys

[true juniper]

Can they still bring you uranium waste? 😅

[maiden island]

so the foundry guys went underground to do stuff yall want so do that as well also orbital laser digging a hole

[rustic otter]

no, the only nuclear thing they can bring are the nuke nobelisks

[rustic otter]

i had a brain anurysm what?

[atomic notch]

Foundry is a different game

Should prolly use #off-topic-general

[maiden island]

just a thought

[maiden jacinth]

ic

[hollow vector]

i would suggest using it on them

[rustic otter]

ur evil

last time i was here doggo was worshipped

[rose field]

How do I activate rhe chainsaw when it's in my hand?

[lament niche]

doggo bad

[rustic otter]

u need solid biofuel in inventory

[rustic otter]

doggo good

[rose field]

Gerrrrr

Lol

[lament niche]

objectively incorrect

[rustic otter]

prove me wrong

[lament niche]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

done

[rustic otter]

i will burn this place down if doggo tells me

[lament niche]

it's treason then

[true juniper]

I see two good bois

[lament niche]

https://tenor.com/view/its-treason-then-palpatine-emperor-revenge-sith-gif-13534212

[true juniper]

One just needed a little bonk

[rustic otter]

we shall duel at dawn then

[lament niche]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-fight-star-wars-team-gif-19399269

[last jungle]

bros english dialect is gifs

[lament niche]

wasnt aware the peanut gallery was open this late

[last jungle]

what does that even mean

[lament niche]

Google is free

[last jungle]

ok thats interesting

👍

[rustic otter]

internet sure aint, devices sure aint,

actually i remember libraries with computers and free internet exist

i remember my state testing was over that lol

[lament niche]

if he's using discord he can make a 2 second google search

[last jungle]

yea

alr lets go look for this crude oil node while ignoring any and every consequence that may happen

[rustic otter]

3 BIG BLACK STINGERS

[last jungle]

💀

[lament niche]

crab boss

[last jungle]

what

[lament niche]

crab. boss.

[rustic otter]

u mean stingers?

[lament niche]

No, I mean crab boss.

!wiki-search crab boss

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Crab_Boss

@rustic otter

[rustic otter]

The Crab Boss is a placeholder name given to a giant creature seen in the E3 trailer as well as briefly in the Animation Highlight, [1][2][3] and was named "Melk" on the side of a photoshopped carton of milk in the Update 6 initial information video.[4]

In a Q&A video released by Coffee Stain, the creature was referred to as a "Big Angry Crab", and it has been hinted at its implementation in the future,[5] although as of January 2023, and later in October 2023, it was announced the Crab Boss was currently "on ice".[6][7] It has been later revealed that the reason it's not implemented yet is due to pathfinding issues.[8]

[lament niche]

so yeah, different thing entirely from stingers.

[ivory condor]

Oh yes pathfinding, so more ai issues, makes sense though if they couldn't get the ai right for the crab boss that they would cut it.

Still part of me was holding out hope the crab boss could somehow eventually make it into the game, but alas its not meant to be

[rustic otter]

i thought the scariest part of this game would be the swamp area with the stingers and the huge hogs

[ivory condor]

I was hoping the swamp area could have gotten the crab boss, that really would have made it truly terrifying

combined with everything else in there to

We could have renamed it to the swamp of death💀

[true juniper]

He doesn't need pathfinding. He could just stand there for me to build a factory around him 😅

[hollow vector]

doggo bad

[rustic otter]

doggo good

[ivory condor]

Would be hard with the crab boss launching its swarms out you to try to kill but it could be fun, to try to build around him while he is trying to kill you at the same time

Could be fun, see if you can build around the crab boss and survive

[hollow vector]

doggo terrible

[hollow vector]

fun fact: every doggo i see i will kill them

[true juniper]

That's not a fun fact 🥲

[rustic otter]

doggo amazing

[maiden jacinth]

breaker flip

[rustic otter]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hollow vector]

doggo horrendous

[lament niche]

KILL IT

[rustic otter]

doggo heavenly

[lament niche]

incorrect

[hollow vector]

liar

[rustic otter]

why hate doggo

ur purpose is to keep in nuclear pasta

[hollow vector]

thats why i hate pioneers

i cant be left alone

and your a bus

[rustic otter]

theres someone with a NK pfp in here just named doubledecker

[mortal ginkgo]

my doggo brought me 4 slugs so far

it even got a cute playground of his own

[rustic otter]

#screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

doggos are best

beans on the other hand

[hollow vector]

worst*

[mortal ginkgo]

God darnit pressure conversion cube

[rustic otter]

[true juniper]

I think a doggo bit him once

[rustic otter]

i think he cant tame them

[mortal ginkgo]

they can be fickle. i had to attempt a few times

[hollow vector]

not that

because they are fucking retarded

[latent prawn]

probably couldn't figure out how to deal with them bringing nuke waste

[hollow vector]

you leave them in base
they then get the most useless loot

[mortal ginkgo]

alas they dont do that with 1.0

[hollow vector]

and follow you for no goddam reason

[latent prawn]

*unfortunately

[hollow vector]

then you have to ensure they wont die

[mortal ginkgo]

I had 4 slugs bro cmon

[rustic otter]

aww cant keep them in a 1x1 platform with 4m high walls?

[hollow vector]

ugly

[rustic otter]

make them a play pit

[hollow vector]

its also a hassle having to constantly go in there

[mortal ginkgo]

well.. you have a pet so..

[latent prawn]

i just have a fenced in square next to my hub

[last jungle]

wait would door walls work for that confinement or would they escape?

[rustic otter]

i have 1 for my doggo yea

[hollow vector]

permenate todler i have to take care of

[true juniper]

They don't even need anything from you 😭

[rustic otter]

its a single paleberry

[rustic otter]

u dont have to feed it

[true juniper]

And they're eternally grateful

[latent prawn]

i just find it sweet when they bring you something like cooling systems or turbomotors

[hollow vector]

useless

just go to the red forest and kill 830 animals

[mortal ginkgo]

fun fact, if you drop berry on the ground, they still nom nom it even after you tame.

I like the animation so I sometimes do it

❤️

[hollow vector]

for dna

• they overinflate the coupon market

[true juniper]

Are you trading coupons with neighboring planets?

They can inflate my one- man economy anytime 😅

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266884906387243058/1299897155846148198/togif.gif

[maiden jacinth]

im having so much more fun then my first save

and its going so much slower

[dense violet]

odd, usually it's faster

[maiden jacinth]

im doing some self imposed challanges

[rustic otter]

are u making more of each instead of going straight for the phase completion as quick as possible?

[maiden jacinth]

no uncovered machines, no belts in the open, and no power poles in the open

[dense violet]

ah fair

[maiden jacinth]

the spagetti annoyed me too much so I started anew

[rapid wren]

Rebar gun > Rifle

[old yarrow]

Is there a way to rotate buildings like 45 degrees instead of just intervals of 90

[sullen gull]

You can use foundations rotated as snap points

[last jungle]

and then replace the foundation normally because physics

[leaden turret]

one can also use save editors, buuuut always try in-game stuff first

@void gorge sent you wall-of-text dm last night re: background on one of the questions from this week's emergency dev stream

[prisma thicket]

Man it's crazy how one small problem in a production line can have a cascading effect and mess up the entire rest of a factory. Was dreading the possibility of having to rip apart my entire factory to find all the problems, but I found one problem almost immediately, fixed it, and now everything else is smoothing out 😄

[leaden turret]

giant dominoes meme template candidate for #satisfactory-memes right there

[dusk wolf]

I am still on Phase 1 but what people do after finishing all phases ?

[prisma thicket]

Whatever you want to. You can go back and redo factories to make them cleaner/more efficient/produce more items. You can create projects that will consume all of the available nodes of a resource on the map (commonly bauxite, uranium or SAM). You can start or continue decorating factories to see what designs you come up with and what you like or dislike. You can also stop playing the game, or start over if you so choose.

[hard ivy]

I usually do max nuclear

[old yarrow]

I just used the foundation snap thing

[hidden sparrow]

Fun fact 2 ! They also really love explosives, you should throw nukes at them and detonate it. Do it.

[maiden jacinth]

how do we feel about scres

*screws

I rolled stiched iron plate and im trying to decide if I want it or not

[leaden turret]

[read in heath ledger joker voice]

[maiden jacinth]

?

[leaden turret]

🤡 do you want to know about how I got these screws

[leaden turret]

stitched iron plate is fun, because it means you don't have to distribute resources for building large volumes of screws if you require large volumes of reinforced iron plate.

Add into that the various wire alts, it now becomes possible to:

• make RIP from 100% iron and 0% screws
• have 100% of iron for RIP be for plates, and get wire from copper or caterium (or both)

[dreamy kestrel]

its a nice recipe to have

[leaden turret]

adhered plate is an interesting one also, but because it requires having oil production booted up, it's not something people tend to get as-exposed to as stitched plate

[maiden jacinth]

the other alt in the hd is caterium wire

[dreamy kestrel]

if youre making RIPs purely from iron, its more iron efficient than the stock recipe

[maiden jacinth]

and this is my second hard drive in this playthough

[hard ivy]

Best recipe for RIPs imo

[dreamy kestrel]

and than bolted

[maiden jacinth]

I got the best alt in the game out of my first

[dreamy kestrel]

but itll require more machines than both

[leaden turret]

ever used steel rod with bolted screws? 😛

[dreamy kestrel]

theres a reason i clarified purely from iron

if youre using oil products or aluminum or coal then you can do better

[maiden jacinth]

I just got to coal power

[hard ivy]

Why would you ever use bolted with only iron???

[leaden turret]

[rdg voice] I am iron man

[dreamy kestrel]

you wouldnt? thats what im saying

if youre wanting to make RIPs purely with iron then the most efficient way to do that is stitched

this is imo their primary use case

makes it a very good early game recipe and also good for endgame megafactories

for use cases in between that, you can often get better results by using steel or aluminum alts

[maiden jacinth]

ive been using a lot of manual crafting so far this playthough

[dreamy kestrel]

but its up to you ofc

[maiden jacinth]

;w;

[dreamy kestrel]

if you find yourself handcrafting a certain item a lot, no harm in throwing down a single machine hooked up to some storage containers and letting it do the work for you

though early game youll want to do some hand crafting no matter what

[maiden jacinth]

I decided I wasnt gonna do that

hence the hand crafting

about to get trucks which should help a lot with some logistics

[slate pilot]

Does someone know how to build concrete pillars diagonal?

[dreamy kestrel]

its a factory game, automation is the main gameplay loop :P

[leaden turret]

which direction?

cos there's up and down diagonal, and there's wibbly wobbly diagonal

[slate pilot]

like i want to make a cool factory of a cliff so i want to build with pillars little bit up diagonal

[maiden jacinth]

yea but that was too easy for me x3
so im doing no belts outside of buildings
and no power poles

[raven plank]

snap to steel beams

[leaden turret]

iirc, "something something beams"

[slate pilot]

thats smart thanks guys

[raven plank]

yep beams have a freeform mode so you can just point and shoot in any direction

[slate pilot]

yeah thats nice

[mortal ginkgo]

brotherman.

[leaden turret]

[shut lava]

I wish the enemies were more responsive

I want to commit war crimes and feel like I'm actually causing damage to them

[flat orchid]

ehy guys ive got a question in regards to trains...

ive a train with 2 freight wagons running between two stations and i want to take an items with me on the 2nd wagon.
But the train will automatically load the 1st wagon too with something unspecified in the schedule.

is this a normal behaviour?

Edit:
Deleting the trains and re-configuring the train leads to the same result

[void gorge]

./sweat

[leaden turret]

re-ping re: earlier "plz check dms" ping

[leaden turret]

well the bean literally runs away if you whack it with a stick

lizard doggo runs away if you don't act friendly, never mind poking it with a stick

everything else sees you as food

[pliant prawn]

I'm stuck in analysis paralysis

[leaden turret]

flip coin, problem solved

[leaden turret]

also I'm not sure the geneva convention applies to massage 2aababababababa

@open bone Lizard Doggo Piñata to pair with the replica , when?

FICSIT does not waste (an opportunity for disposable merchandise providing recurring sales)

can fill it with ficsit-branded boiled sweets

[dark timber]

Anyone on?

[void gorge]

Saw the YouTube thingies! Thank you for digging it all up, replying tomorrow cuz long weekend but briefly at CSS tomo

[leaden turret]

it's impolite to randomly dm people

[trail aspen]

glad nationaldag :))

[void gorge]

Rainy af

Love it

Back at ya if Swe!

[leaden turret]

rain in 1.1, confirmed

[gilded cloak]

what are trains used for? cant i just build conveyors?

[dark timber]

@leaden turret Wow

[leaden turret]

• conveyors go brr.
• trains go choo.
• increasing capacity of a conveyor belt line requires manually running the length of the entire belt run
• increasing capacity of a train network requires 2 freight stations at either end & 1 freight car, no extra tracks required

[true mulch]

as Marv said, all vehicles are optional, you totally can just run long belts/pipes

[leaden turret]

package all the things

[true mulch]

trains are useful because you can reuse tracks, drones are simple to set up

[leaden turret]

valid logistics strategy:
🏭 🏭

[true mulch]

trucks...uhhhhhh...idk

[fervent karma]

If I make a new Satisfactory world now, will it be unplayable after the 1.1 update because something breaks?

[leaden turret]

autopilot paths are reusable

[leaden turret]

only if said something is "your computer"

[true mulch]

1.1 doesn't have any breaking changes whatsoever afaik

[fervent karma]

Alright, thanks!

[pliant prawn]

are they going to have vertical splitter/mergers fixed? I'm having major problems with them connecting

[whole zinc]

ahh after a dreadful week of exams... im back

[gilded cloak]

and do u recomend me using trains for factories?

per example, if i wanna build something that needs 2 separate things and one thing is like 10km away from the other, do u recommend me using a train or belts?

[dense violet]

if you like trains sure. All vehicles and logistics options are good in different situations

although personally I would probably aim to find a spot that has most or all the resources you need much closer at hand.

but if you have everything except 1 resource type in a location, a train is often a good choice depending on the terrain and distance

[gilded cloak]

i need have a big factory with no use because of overproduction, thats why

[dense violet]

could you repeat that please?

[gilded cloak]

i have a big factory that produces a lot and i dont need that much, thats why i wanna deliver half of the materials to another factory to produce different materials

[dense violet]

then yeah sure. depending on teh terrain a train might be a good idea

[hallow bronze]

i've got a factory, i have copper, iron, and limestone all near me, but coal, quartz and sulfur are all quite far off

do yall reckon its worth it for me to uproot everything, to move to a more central area, so i have more easy access to those resources?

[gilded cloak]

and do u recommend trucks?

[dense violet]

no, the game forces you to spread out and use logistic options to connect things

[hallow bronze]

as of now i set up a bunch of resource highways that go up into the sky to transfer resources

[hallow bronze]

aight

cheers

[dense violet]

a lot of people find trucks more awkward because you have to record the path yourself and it takes a bit of practice. And a lot of terrain isn't suitable for trucks w/o making a bunch of roads

that being said, it just takes practice like trains, so trucks are great once you have the hang of them and know when to use them

but trains also take learning

your first train line will probably suck. It's normal. Don't worry

[gilded cloak]

do u recommend a youtube guide?

[dense violet]

your first truck route will probably also suck

[dense violet]

for trains and trucks? they aren't bad if you can find one. For a lot of other things I wouldn't

[gilded cloak]

yeah for trains

[dense violet]

for trains it's pretty easy as long as you make it 2 lanes. making a single lane train that goes back and forth is easy until you put more than 1 train on it

imo just make 2 lanes and it's ... incredibly simple

[gilded cloak]

aight

[dense violet]

probably simpler than learning trucks

[gilded cloak]

aight ty, ill try

[dense violet]

oh just my advice building trains, use foundations the whole way by zooping them along. Makes them neat and tidy. and helps you plan the route

you can delete the foudnations after if you like

[gilded cloak]

uhh

it would take so much

[dense violet]

just have concrete automated youll be fine

[gilded cloak]

are there like factorio drones that delete stuff for u?

[dense violet]

it'll really help

[dense violet]

no. but you know you can mass dismantle right?

[gilded cloak]

how?

[dense violet]

hold ctrl while dismanting. up to 50 objects at once.

you can just sweep your cursor and highlight everything

[gilded cloak]

ohh

and what do u recommed me to do to get a lot of electricity?

[vestal mica]

regular exercise

[leaden turret]

eh.... kinda?

I stopped using them myself, because I found the pace of unlocks I was doing that by the time I was ready to actually deploy trains (i.e. well after unlocking trains, because one needs to stockpile enough resources), I had placed enough "temporary" conveyor belts that using trains kinda felt not worth it

[gilded cloak]

im making a 24 coal gen termal power plant but i dont like fluids at all

[leaden turret]

is Pioneer, not Pikachu

[vestal mica]

it said energy before they edited it

[leaden turret]

package the water instead of plumbing it, problem solved

[leaden turret]

is Pioneer, canonicity of musculature inside the suit not yet confirmed

[dense violet]

you'll need fluids for every power source.

I'd recommend finding a spot with 3-4 coal nodes and just making as much power from it as you can. 48-64 coal generators before doing a big fuel station is pretty normal

[vestal mica]

if they've just unlocked coal, packaging probably not an option

[leaden turret]

coughbiomasscough

and you can't say automateable any more , because beltable biomass burners

[boreal musk]

you can build the coal plant at the water level so no headlift problem to deal with

[gilded cloak]

i would die if i make 64 coal gens

[gilded cloak]

just if i could modify terrain

[leaden turret]

can get creative https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="coal+plant"

[dense violet]

it's pretty easy #1368525377630244954 message

[leaden turret]

apply to coffee stain, modify terrain from the inside https://jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs

[dense violet]

a few blueprints and youre done

[boreal musk]

no such thing as modifying terrain, and all starter area has easy access to water for coal plant

[leaden turret]

probably easier than getting a swedish work visa, yes

[boreal musk]

#screenshots message
here some nice and clean 1.2GW coal setup

[dense violet]

😛

[quick sky]

Just so you know, whenever anyone writes "gigawatt", inside my mind I pronounce it as "jigawatt" and I want you to know that

[leaden turret]

jigawho?

[quick sky]

Jigawhy not?

[naive pendant]

Be sure to @ greeny with a "10k jigawatt". He loves those.

[quick sky]

Not before you tell me what your pfp is from

[naive pendant]

Starcraft 2, unlocked profile pic from like 1000 Terran 3v3 wins. Diamondback is the unit.

[quick sky]

@reef basin 10k jigawatt 😹 😹 😹 😹

[rustic otter]

hey so for some reason i have a dismantly crate in an area i never explored

its in #screenshots message

[dense violet]

probably a buggy spawn

[rustic otter]

im checking it out

[dense violet]

it may be clipped deep underground

[rustic otter]

it is directly on 0,0

[boreal musk]

sometimes it happens where crate got teleported to the center of the map, precisely at 0,0,0

so no way to recover it unless you use scim

[rustic otter]

if it is bugged i might just have to go to SCIM to edit it

yeah seeing that imma go to SCIM

[boreal musk]

or do some hypertube shenanigans to go below the map

[rustic otter]

i dont have those yet

[dense violet]

or just leave it alone xD

[rustic otter]

the marker annoys me and now i have the concious of leaving a dismantly crate in a place ill never find

[tight ridge]

I once had a machine be placed into nowhere

After losing a crate to 0 0 0 I edited my save to go there

Guess what? The damn machine was there!

[mossy moon]

i just disable dismantle crate markers

[rustic otter]

currently in the process of dismatnling my first factory to get parts back and for leftover parts for the one that i made

[mystic oriole]

ok what's the advantage of using 4 rails instead of just 2? Or am I just telling on myself that I need more trains?

[abstract heron]

is there a video today

[rustic otter]

#announcements

[eternal delta]

Wait there voice line for killing beans now

[naive pendant]

There's a maximum throughput for a given set of rails usually bottlenecked at intersections. If you need more throughput than that maximum -> more rails needed. Because Satisfactory is in 3D, the best solution is fully seperate rails to avoid diminishing returns on throughput.

There are other solutions for scaling throughput like compressing the raw resources into more complex items locally, longer trains, higher throughput intersections, etc.

[mystic oriole]

I wondered, sounds like I'm saying I need more trains.

Almost like one set for dedicated lines, second set for general lines

[trim vine]

No

[trim vine]

You just need to develop a good 2 way network

[trim vine]

If you would like, I can show you how I have stuff set up, its simply, streamlined, and easily adapted to your own building style for BP's

[worn lark]

Leached Iron Ingot vs Diluted Fuel, i do kinda want to make a fuel generator. but i wonder if the ingot might be a needed thing later in game, can someone tell me if i should choose the fuel ?

[south sinew]

diluted fuel is really good

[worn lark]

i think so too, same power !

[trim vine]

What does leached iron and diluted fuel have to do with one another?

[south sinew]

one hard drive and those are the two choices?

[worn lark]

its a choice from harddrive

[trim vine]

Ahhh, sorry

Diluted fuel 100%

You will almost never use sulfuric acid for iron

[worn lark]

alr, i was just wondering if i might end up pulling all iron from map later for some uses.

[trim vine]

Even if you do, Iron and Limestone is much more economical

[worn lark]

but since i wanna have fuel into electricity i m gonna go with fuel thanks

[worn lark]

whats the name so i dont miss it ?

[south sinew]

Pure Iron Ingot is very close to as good as Leached in terms of iron ingots per ore, but Pure doesn't cost any other limited resource

[trim vine]

Basic Iron Ingot

[worn lark]

alr thank you

[trim vine]

25 Iron
40 Limestone

50 ingot

[worn lark]

8 more drives to scan from last exploration, feels like gambling lol

[trim vine]

Do you have Turbo/rocket fuel yet?

[worn lark]

turbo just unlocked but nothing done in that depart, i do have few industrial containers running leaves n wood into sommerslop constructors both for bio and solid fuel, feeding a biofuel plant

ngl i been deforesting along exploration a bit >.<

[trim vine]

you free for a quick voice chat?

[worn lark]

4 sure, are there vc here ?

[trim vine]

no, gonna dm you

[rustic otter]

relearned how to mess with the saves and got the crate taken care of

[mystic oriole]

sure I'd like to see

[dense violet]

the leached recipes are fairly niche

sulfur is often not very near much as the nodes are pretty scattered and there's not much on the map in the first place

[radiant raptor]

Hey wasnt 1.1 supposed to be released today

[dense violet]

10th

[radiant raptor]

Oh

[mystic oriole]

4 more days

[radiant raptor]

K thx

[mystic oriole]

and probably to the hour as well

[weary peak]

salut je suis francais et je viens davoir le jeu si quelqun veut mexpliquer comment bien debuter et faire une bonne aventure avec moi nhesitez pas

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758 if you want others to play with

[glad zodiac]

Sup fellas, I need to ask a quick question, I am trying to transport an item at the speed of 45/min. across 2/3 of the map, what do you think is the best way of transportation. I've used drones, but I would need an army of them, do you think, that using a belt is just fine?

[dreamy kestrel]

belt is simplest but ugly

[dense violet]

45pm? 1 drone would be enough

[dreamy kestrel]

drones should work for that use case

[south sinew]

45pm is pretty low so drone would be ideal yeah

[dreamy kestrel]

trains will work as well but are high effort to set up

[glad zodiac]

i mean... it says, that it is transporting at the rate of 2 per minute :D (with just one drone)

[dense violet]

yeah ignore efficiency meters and rates

measure it by 'is this backing up or not?'

[glad zodiac]

:D thx

[dense violet]

no stress 🙂 and depending on stack size, belt speed and distance, 300pm isn't a bad guess at what a drone will likely do. ofc if it's across the whole map and the stack size is 50 that will drop

[prime stratus]

im new and im running out of fuel like crazy what should i do?

[trim vine]

What flavor of fuel

[prime stratus]

wdym like i use leafs

[trim vine]

you free to pop into coms?

[prime stratus]

ok ig

[trim vine]

check your dms

[shell sluice]

for starters, craft it into more energy efficient fuel (biomass and solid biofuel once you have it) and get yourself on coal power ASAP since that becomes automated without you having to gather resources. also craft alien tissue into biofuel, it gives you quite a bit

[last jungle]

alien protein not alien tissue

[shell sluice]

whatever its called, not like you can confuse it with anything

[last jungle]

yea

[leaden turret]

@void gorge add gym, with recipe to turn alien protein into alien protein powder

[last jungle]

steroids mmm

cliff hog gonna become mount everest hog

[leaden turret]

would require snow biome, hannah says no

[last jungle]

whos hannah

sorry

[leaden turret]

world designer / narrative master / person resposible for writing ADA's voice lines / person responsible for the many giant eggplants on the map

[last jungle]

eggplants 😳

[leaden turret]

yes

the things people once voted for more of instead of saving the willow trees

[abstract heron]

I thought Marv early nuclear power from alien stuff @leaden turret

[last jungle]

like wdym giant eggplants

[abstract heron]

From the alien creature stuff

[leaden turret]

🍆

[last jungle]

like the big fart pillars?

[leaden turret]

is sfw server, cannot say what they are

hahhahahaha, nuuuu

[last jungle]

"safe for work"

[leaden turret]

• eggplants
• male chickens
• bishop's mitre hats

[last jungle]

im boutta nobelisk jump

[languid bison]

*nuke nobelisk

[cinder jay]

Hola

[languid bison]

Como estas

[jade glade]

how can I paint a foundation so it looks like a road?

[clever pier]

after a bit of experimentation it seems like like one uranium rod a minute can support quite a substantial drone fleet. and no uranium waste to deal with

so it is worth making uranium rods in 1.0.... just don't use them for power

[void gorge]

👀

[leaden ether]

Well compared to rocket fuel, making uranium rods is quite a bit of work all in itself. So it's probably (like a lot of things) worth doing mainly if you simply want to do it 🙂

I had plenty of power with my rocket fuel plants but I went ahead and made a large no-waste uranium power plant anyway and frankly it was the most fun thing I've done in the game yet, even it i's not practical or whatever 🙂

#screenshots message

[clever pier]

if you already have control rods automated for earlier elevator stuff then making urods really isn't complicated

there is some spots with uranium, water and sulfur on one place which makes it pretty trivial

[leaden ether]

It's not super complicated in itself, but more so than rocket fuel which works great and easy to make tons of. I.e. I am using spare fuel rods for the drone that services the powerplant, but I have no plans on using the rods for the other drones when the rocket fuel works well and is plentiful as is.

[clever pier]

I guess but also the urod drones are faster than rocket fuel ones

[neat crescent]

uhm, am I the only one who thinks the mk3 blueprint designer is still too small?

it still doesn't fit more than 4 refineries in the width, and doesn't even fit two coal generators length wise. It also fits no more than two manufacturers / blenders length or width wise, just as the mk2

[clever pier]

make modular designs you can place down many in a row with auto connect

[leaden ether]

The Mk3 won't even fit a nuclear power plant 😦 At minimum it should fit at least one of each of the machines with reasonable attachments to it :/

[clever pier]

you guys would love the blue print system in dyson sphere project

[leaden ether]

Yeah I've seen that in action, it might be a little too far in the other direction, though given the uh, mass of the game, it's kind of necessary.

[neat crescent]

holy smokes you're right

my proposal is to have the mk1 be 3x3 blocks (it is today 4x4), the mk2 have the same as today with 5x5, and then the mk3 have 7x7 (it has 6x6 today)

[clever pier]

you can use mods to have a bigger blueprinter

[neat crescent]

but I wanna play vanillaaaaaaaa

[clever pier]

I think the devs probably won't change it

[mystic oriole]

same here

[clever pier]

you can ask

[neat crescent]

at least rn until I complete phase 5

[neat crescent]

will it be in my favor if I say I am Norwegian while asking, or will it be the absolute opposite

[mystic oriole]

or use blueprints that come from other souces

[sullen gull]

A nuke plant only has two attachments ... what would one need to do to a NPP where it needs to fit in the BPD?

[clever pier]

cant fit a quatum encoder into them either

and they have 4 in and 2 out

[leaden ether]

If you were making a grid of them, the platforms, two conveyor connectors and pipe connector through the foor as well as maybe a post and electrical hookups for a clean look.

[sullen gull]

You can do all that just fine .. without the nuke plant that is... But at least the foundations and every thing else, then just plop the npp, connect lift/pipe/wire --- done

[clever pier]

the devs seems to think large blueprints encourage lazy play

I don't agree but just use mods if you want bigger

[leaden ether]

Yeah but... We still need a Mk4 🙂 In fact i've forgone using blueprints several times (including the above scenario) due to it's small size.

[mystic oriole]

but we all know size matters

[sullen gull]

Imo, everyone seems to be on some "Well facto.... But dyson does...... " .... 😒

[clever pier]

and whatever , mods make everyone happy

you're probably not going to convince the devs to change this

[leaden ether]

To be honest, I bet the only reason they put blueprints IN was because other factory game(s) had it and they knew people would complain if they didn't.

[clever pier]

it would be very tedious with no blueprints

[sullen gull]

And why mods are very supported as well in my opinion.

[clever pier]

i have a nice blueprint I made myself for manifold splitters and joiners and those are a pain to build manually

[leaden ether]

The only thing I've really used them for in 700 hours is making road/train track pillar supports. :/

[outer sparrow]

is there a texture file in this game?

[leaden ether]

ANd mainly because... they aren't big enough (IMHO) to be really useful for much.

[clever pier]

you build all your manifolds manually?

but well made blueprints tile

[leaden ether]

Yeah, THey all require different spacing and different belting for every application anyway

[neat crescent]

It would just be real damn nice if I could just have it complete on foundations, maybe with a logistics floor, and just... plop it with auto-connect, and finish the basis of a nuclear plant in absolutely no time.

[sullen gull]

It would take ages to do stuff like so without BP : #screenshots message

[mystic oriole]

I sometimes build them manually when I build some custom factory for looks

[neat crescent]

is... is.... the f-game name's name banned in the server?

factorio

oh

[sullen gull]

No

Was just making a point

[vestal mica]

reported

[neat crescent]

it would be very funny tbh, as every rule is there for a reason

[leaden ether]

Heh fair, I have not tried to go that hard yet.

[neat crescent]

lmao

[sullen gull]

Again, you can do all of that just fine ... without the Npp..

[clever pier]

theres no shame in being vanilla EXCEPT for a single mod to increase blueprint size. just do that

[leaden ether]

They are on good terms with the Factorio company, really while the overriding concept is similar, they are so very different games. Not really a direct competition. ANd Dyson Sphere is a third, very different game.

So I like QoL type mods and avoid the direct "cheat" mods. And usually only start using mods at all after completing the main "campaigh" of whatever game I'm playing. THen it's mod city for a much nuicer and robust experience.

For Satisfactory I played through all phases with only the vertical nudge feature of Inifinate Nudge. A glaring missing feature in an otherwise good ui.

But now I've added decoration and additional shapes and lights mods to make building things nicer and have more fun with it.

[sullen gull]

100% the same. For me though, for some reason the stuff I could do with V-nudge never really 'clicked' until it was a vanilla feature though lol

[neat crescent]

it's just that I absolutely loathe repetition, and doing the same stuff lots of times. the blueprint designer is a godsend in that I can do certain tasks once, and then the next time its much easier. e.g. look at my current refinery design, it doesn't even fit outputs, so I have to feed them in through the middle if I want it in the blueprint #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Maybe some 'mental' block of "Oh, this would be 'modded' I shouldn't do that.

[leaden ether]

Oh and the "empty hands" mod 😄

[sullen gull]

Just press H ? lol

[sullen gull]

Though I don't know what the difference between that mod and the 'Hands' shortcut in game

[reef forge]

time to start work on fixing my turbofuel factory for the umpteenth time

[neat crescent]

it's just that it will inevitably end up like my ksp install(s), as modding a game will pull me into a massive rabbit hole. I am currently on 3 and a half KSP installs, with the main one having 258 mods...

[neat crescent]

yes

[hollow vector]

amazing

i wish i were you
to have the space for 258 mods and 3 installs

[neat crescent]

I wanted to install all my games so ended up with a total of 4.5 TB spread across two NVMe's and two SATA SSDs... they're all full

with probably 70% of my games installed (probably because at least one of them is installed three times lmao)

[maiden jacinth]

It's crazy how much cheaper nvme is then it used to be

[mystic oriole]

I'd probably just end up with a 2TB Nvme, dual-boot steam OS and WIN11

[neat crescent]

wait... I thought SteamOS was made for handhelds, and figured the UI experience on a desktop would be much like Big Picture mode. It's not? Does it even come with some sort of "desktop"?

[molten light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1188895550565777449/1380005382834880512/togif.gif

Aw shuckles

[spice patio]

It has some pretty standard Linux desktop manager underneath, even when it normally boots to Steam Big Picture mode on start.

Don't remember which one.

But that is just another app running.

[mystic oriole]

yeah, it's something different, and kind of viable gaming solution for a lot of games.

[spice patio]

Steam doesn't keep most of their updates or changes to the base linux stuff to themselves, but sends them upstream if possible.
And just then layers minimal stuff they can on top.

[reef forge]

this factory better have worked 😭

100%'s across the board i think i fixed it

[hollow vector]

i only have 512gb 1 slot laptop

[hollow vector]

yes
its just kde plasma

[reef forge]

time to start work on making important blueprints 👍

[maiden jacinth]

Satisfactory is cooking my brain
Gonna try and use my workplace as inspiration for how to build a factory

[serene turtle]

Hello, I need some assistance, I have been playing this game for at least 2 years, ive looked at tutorials, guides and wiki and I somehow still don't understand how pipes work, can someone help me

[hard ivy]

Recently I've come to realise that nobody actually understands how pipes work

[serene turtle]

Greeeeeeeeeeeat

[plain marten]

is phase 4 harder than 5

is phase 4 the hardest phase

[hard ivy]

I'd say no

[serene turtle]

I guess I'm just screwed

[hard ivy]

I mean there's always a way to make it work somehow but I'm building all my pipes based on "vibes"

[serene turtle]

The only thing I know is, sometimes putting down a massive amount of pumps on a network works, and sometimes not

[hard ivy]

In general, I'd advise keeping your systems as simple as possible

Adding stuff can help, but only if you do it properly. If you do random shit you think might work, it probably won't

[serene turtle]

I know that much

Actually no, I know how pipes work, what I don't know is how water works, everything that I have that uses water is slow as balls, but oil, fuel and other things go exactly like I planned

[neat crescent]

ouf, can be a bit of a hazzle swapping a C:// drive, I have two slots in my motherboard, with my C:// drive being 512GB and the other 1TB, but like... I just can't get my head around swapping around the C:// drive

[hard ivy]

Without a third drive it might be difficult indeed. Partitioning the 1TB into 2 512GB ones might do it though

[hollow vector]

its easy to find in my laptop
im also gonna use linux mint or debian

[green fiber]

make a #1038092680493801533 thread, describe the problem, add plenty images and you are off to a good start to receive help

[hollow vector]

something gnome based*

[green fiber]

if you fail at water but not at fuel or oil then that honestly is just skill issue.
It works exactly the same as fuel and oil

[serene turtle]

I was thinking about that but I was hoping for a quick answer

[neat crescent]

a friend of mine is dual-booting from a portable SSD, and every time he's booted into Linux I am absolutely fighting the urge to just unplug his SSD

[hollow vector]

i hate portable ssds

[urban root]

It's weird he doesn't just partition his main drive and dual boot like a man instead of a heathen.

[hollow vector]

likely not enough spacpe

im prob gonna dual boot or single boot
1.5tb for linux 500gb for windows

[sullen gull]

Every time you place a new pump it is resetting the headllift. Be sure to take a look at the pumps and look at what current headlift they are giving and add accordingly. My personal rule is mk1 every 18 m and mk2 every 40m

[urban root]

Wild, sata and nvme ssd's are so cheap now...

[maiden jacinth]

Could try packaging it and unpacking it to run less pipe

[serene turtle]

I'm about to hire a plumber

[sullen gull]

@serene turtle Also, f you are trying to only feed from one end, this will make the flow slower. Be sure to distribute the flow evenly across the machines/manifold.

[hollow vector]

rocket fuel/gasses dont need pumps

[serene turtle]

I know this?

[neat crescent]

me too, with a passion

[hollow vector]

and im not sure if im gonna clone my ssd

[serene turtle]

It's gas, gas pushes Itself by building up pressure I think

[hollow vector]

🤯

wow
heres a medal
and a nobel peace prize

[maiden jacinth]

I need to figure out how to make a nice looking coal power plant

[green fiber]

if you feed anything with 600/min water and its not a nuke at 250%, then you are likely to have better results if you split the mk2 evenly across your machine manifold. Dont try to feed from just one end

[sullen gull]

I mean, no need to be snarky about it...

[sullen gull]

Coming from the guy who wrote 'the book' himself 😏

[serene turtle]

I just ignored it

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265680638426742786/1362451567562985682/converted.gif

[serene turtle]

So like, trying to fill 11 refineries with one pipe line is not good?

[green fiber]

depends. do they need 600/min water

aaaaalso: where do you run that pipe.
Above the refineries, same level or below?

[sullen gull]

Spilt the feed and pipe it to both ends regardless imo. Because as they feed down the line, the previous pipe does looses 'pressure' if not full

[serene turtle]

Actually somehow the buffer is gaining more water then they are taking, the problem being that they for some reason don't want to take the water

[sullen gull]

And remove the buffer 😏

[green fiber]

then knowing how you ran that pipe would help

[serene turtle]

Under

[green fiber]

thats precisely the worst way to do it

wheres the buffer

[serene turtle]

Also under

[green fiber]

you need pumps

[serene turtle]

I have several

[green fiber]

spaced along the entire line i assume?

[serene turtle]

Maybe frantically placing them down is the problem

[sullen gull]

May be best to create a thread in #1038092680493801533 with pictures.

[green fiber]

honestly, just make a #1038092680493801533 thread, yea

there is no quick help with pipes

[maiden jacinth]

Logistics floors are overrated

[serene turtle]

One second

[maiden jacinth]

Put the conveyers on the ceiling

[green fiber]

there is either help or no help.
and help will take however long it must take

[maiden jacinth]

Make a water tower

[green fiber]

thats the same as using pumps

why would the tower magically work better

[crude pilot]

Bro why are the water pumps just staying in standby and blocking the headlift the water, even when the current headlift is above the pump

[sullen gull]

That's the 'cure all' didn't ya know? 😏

[prime crane]

Hello satisfactors

[serene turtle]

I need a tag?

[sullen gull]

Pumps will only run when there is flow

[green fiber]

just pick whatever seems accurate. isnt there a fluids tag

[serene turtle]

I never used this type of thread before

[green fiber]

water pump = water extractor
for those that forgot the name or dont wanna type "extractor"

[green fiber]

they dont block it. Even when they dont currently run because they are full they push water up 10m
if they dont run then they are getting blocked by something

[crude pilot]

There is flow... The pipe if full of water and connected to a running water extractor that is on standby because the damn pump ain't pumping

[sullen gull]

Er.. huh?

[green fiber]

either bokeh actually meant extractor or they picked real bad words

Which machine is it now?
the big round one or the tiny ass pump you put on pipes

[sullen gull]

Sounds like they do in fact mean pump

[serene turtle]

I made it

[urban root]

Sounds like you need to rebuild a pipe section. Or maybe the pump is backwards?

[green fiber]

better start adding info and images then

[green fiber]

what does the pipeline pump's menu say.
how much head lift does it have

[ionic forge]

Satisfactory doesnt have any ratios like factorio does right

[maiden jacinth]

Wym

[sullen gull]

I am referring to machines pulling the fluid. If you do not have anything connected, and the pipe is 'dead head', you will not see a flow on the pump.

[ionic forge]

Like how factorio has like 27 miners to a yellow belt feeding a full iron stack that sends a full belt of iron or copper

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory =/= Factorio ..

[ionic forge]

Well obv, im asking if there's similar ratios in the game, I just got it

[green fiber]

it has ratios but not universal ones that are handed out like standard info

[maiden jacinth]

Plus under clocking exists to fix your ratios

[sullen gull]

each belt has a respective speed or item/minute.

[green fiber]

Unlike factorio, (or at least, unlike some older versions of it) you have all the numbers constantly present

so you just use the numbers

[maiden jacinth]

And it's really easy to rebuild

[plain marten]

how so

[crude pilot]

It's connected to a coal gen, anyways I fixed it by adding a pump right at the mouth of the extractor, works but doesn't make sense because with the same elevation another setup right beside it works just fine. I hate pipes

[plain marten]

also why are they adding a priority merger which is completely useless instead of something like a ratio splitter which would be useful

[hard ivy]

I think you got useful and useless mixed up.

[late void]

Because you can already ratio split anything by just using a splitter and your head

[hard ivy]

priority merger can do things you couldn't do without it

[plain marten]

no, i see 0 use for a priority merger but i could really use a ratio splitter right now

[hard ivy]

and you can build a ratio splitter

[plain marten]

yes but it takes space and math

[sullen gull]

If you are slapping a pump in the "bubble", don't. Always try to keep pumps just below the previous head lift. So, since an extractor only pushes 10m, put the pump at about 8m to 'catch' the last headlift better. If that makes sense

[plain marten]

you can do priority merger too with some setup probably

[maiden jacinth]

Why build a ratio splitter
Just build more manifolds

[plain marten]

but you dont ever need to priority merge anything

[hard ivy]

I haven't built one in years so I can pretty confidenly say no, you don't

[late void]

So does everything else you can make a splitter you can’t force anything over another

[plain marten]

because my manufacturer produces 1.5 fused frames per minute and my other factory only needs 1 per minute

[late void]

You don’t need it you’re not the only person my dude

[sullen gull]

Priority mergers are awsome. Example, with an RF factory, to can bring the compacted coal back into the main line using a PM as it allows you to tell the system to pull from the byproduct before the main line.

[plain marten]

yes i do, or i will lose frames

[outer yacht]

should I make more steel beams or more steal pipies or equal of both?

[plain marten]

whats rf

[sullen gull]

Rocket Fuel. mah bad

[late void]

reinforced frames

[hard ivy]

no and no

[late void]

Or that

[plain marten]

or you can just sink the byproducts yknow

problemo solved

[hard ivy]

they're called modular, not reinforced

[plain marten]

yes i will, my building produces 1.5 frames per min and my factory needs 1 per min, if i send all of that then i will lose 0.5 frames

[sullen gull]

Yes, I am aware, but why? When I can use the by product and lessen the amount my main line needs to create? Effectively saving me some sulfur.

[late void]

Yep that’s plates you’re right

[hard ivy]

smart splitter............

[plain marten]

and fused frames are very much something i dont want to lose

[maiden jacinth]

Just do a smart splitter set to overflow

[sullen gull]

Would rather have better 'efficiency' than the golden nut 😏

[plain marten]

you cant set ratios on a smart splitter

instead im gonna have to reposition so many buildigns so i can get a system which gives me 1 frame per min

ratio splitter would be very much useful

[hard ivy]

you're beyond helping...

[plain marten]

i dont understand your logic i dont know how smart splitters are supposed to help me with anything

[sullen gull]

You do not 'loose' anything. Either use a smart splitter for overflow, or clock the manufactures accordingly.

[hard ivy]

idk how you got to FMFs thinking like that

[plain marten]

so i wait a million years for my storage of frames to fill up and only then it overflows to my other factory, which would mean that 1.5 frames/min would flow to my factory, causing me to lose 0.5 frames/min

why should i wait a million years in order to finally transport my frames to my other factory

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-gif-19964144

[maiden jacinth]

The overflow should be set to the storage

When the belt backs up because of overfeeding
The overflow goes to your storage

[plain marten]

it would take a very long time to get overfed since the train station has lots of room, also theres a sink at the other factory so i would end up losing all frames that dont get used

[hard ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

[plain marten]

and this is why ratio splitter would be very useful

[sullen gull]

Sounds more like you should be making 20 FPM if you don't want to wait 😏

[plain marten]

now i must build another ratio splitter setup thingie

[maiden jacinth]

Why would you connect the smart splitter to the sink

[sullen gull]

If you want to make things harder on yourself, go hearty marty.

[maiden jacinth]

If you wanna keep the frames

[plain marten]

so that my factory doesnt clog up and stop working

[plain marten]

there isnt an easier way

[sullen gull]

Preeeety sure I and others have given you 'easier' ways.

[maiden jacinth]

It's not going to clog up
Because the overflow is going to the smart splitter

Into the frame storage

[plain marten]

which would require me to literally redo my entire factory in order to work no thanks

[hard ivy]

this deserves 2 question marks. one wasn't enough

[plain marten]

and what happens when the storage gets full?

it just delays the problem

[sullen gull]

Unless you had things 'perfectly' clocked, it will always 'fill up' and require an overflow.

[plain marten]

when it gets full it will then clog up my entire factory stopping all my production

[maiden jacinth]

How does a ratio splitter do anything different

Does the ratio splitter magically stop the thing it's feeding from getting full

[sullen gull]

Ok, hate to say it, genuinely, But have to be with @hard ivy on this one and bow out.

[plain marten]

gives me a nice 1 fmf/min instead of having to use more space with splitters to get 1/min out of splitter and merge the other stuff

[green fiber]

We have words from the devs from older streams where they said "no ratio splitter"

[plain marten]

damn

but they decide to do a priority merger which is completely useless

i dont get it

[green fiber]

yes

[sullen gull]

Again, not useless, but ok

[green fiber]

To make it extra clear that no ratio splitter will be added

[plain marten]

and its not even good since it doesnt mix them according to ratios and instead just lets the one with high priority pass all the time

[maiden jacinth]

If you have a smart splitter
And the one branch uses 1 fmf/min
And it's set to overflow
It'll give you a nice 1 fmf/min

[green fiber]

They add the most useless other belt attachement

[hard ivy]

a ratio splitter or a belt limiter would be the most useless

[plain marten]

it will just put all the fmfs to the other factory once the storage is full

[plain marten]

whats a belt limiter

[hard ivy]

because a) they're not needed and b) you can already build them

[maiden jacinth]

A ratio would too

[plain marten]

indeed, a ratio splitter would

[ionic forge]

not starting the game with belts is new

[plain marten]

you can already build them but it takes up more space and yes they are very much needed

very soon i will have to build even more, probably

[hard ivy]

i literally said earlier I haven't built one in years

[plain marten]

because you do your factories in some weird way

[maiden jacinth]

So how is it better then using a smart splitter overflow

[sullen gull]

Never considered the "right" way to be weird... odd

[plain marten]

because overflow ends up with me losing 0.5 fmf/min and the storage would take a loooong time to fill up, with my other factory just sitting idle until that happens

[maiden jacinth]

The overflow. Would be exactly .5 fmf/min

[hard ivy]

you do not lose shit unless you literally send it into a sink. so just don't fucking do that

[maiden jacinth]

You're not losing it

[plain marten]

then it would clog up my factory and all production stops

[sullen gull]

This is like someone walking down the street wearing a TuTu and thinking everyone else is weird for not ...

[plain marten]

its going to a sink, so yes i am

[maiden jacinth]

And how does a ratio splitter solve this

[plain marten]

gives me exactly how much i need, so none goes to waste

atleast ideally

[maiden jacinth]

But you're sinking the .5 fmf/min

So your factory doesn't clog

[plain marten]

if i send exactly 1/min, none will have to be sunk

my building demans 1/min

[sullen gull]

Then clock your machines properly 🤷

[maiden jacinth]

What happens with the extra .5

[plain marten]

they are clocked perfectly, but i dont want live in fear of my factory getting clogged up

[plain marten]

it goes to storage

[sullen gull]

Doesn't sound like it if you're worried about the extra .5

[hard ivy]

and after the sltorage fills?

[maiden jacinth]

And when the storage gets clogged up

[plain marten]

yes it does, if i send extra .5 then my factory wont be perfect, since 0.5 fmf/min will go to waste

[reef forge]

hell yeah both recyled plastic and rubber

[plain marten]

then i have a lot of fmfs and they would go to the other factory to get sunk

but at that point i have so many that its not a problem

and every time i use the storage it would start filling up again

[hard ivy]

then just build the goddamn ratio splitter (it's literally 1 splitter 1 merger), or put the sink on overflow from storage and not at the other factory

[plain marten]

theres not enough space

[hard ivy]

the map has 40-50 km2 of space

[plain marten]

it would be less annoying with a ratio splitter

no need to relocate buildigns

[hard ivy]

ah yes, saving 16 m2 of space would save you so much trouble

[plain marten]

well im sure a priority merger can also be replicated with some setup but they still make a priority merger

so i dont get it

[hard ivy]

it can't actually

[plain marten]

well no one ever needs a priority merger so no problem

[sullen gull]

Considering its a MERGER and not a splitter.

Ignorance is Bliss they say 🤷‍♂️

[plain marten]

if you need to priority merge something just sink the stuff so it wont clog up

[spare bolt]

Important question

Which is more efficient, keeping fluid containers on-site and using tanker cars or sending the bottles to different areas?

[plain marten]

fluid

the less steps the better

[spare bolt]

I’m gonna need to completely refine my logistics

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183166715689967756/1299043365198757918/togif-237.gif

[hard ivy]

you can ship packaged fluids too. it's more work but can be more train efficient if you do it properly

[spare bolt]

Embed fail

[plain marten]

simplicity is power its so annoying that the satisfactory planner just makes my facotries more inefficient when i turn on all the alternate recipes

[hollow vector]

send a gif too :misinformation:

[plain marten]

simplicity > saving resources

[hollow vector]

degenerate pioneer

[plain marten]

who

[hollow vector]

quinn

[hard ivy]

besides, it doesn't even save resources. it saves train time

[plain marten]

good

[plain marten]

wdym train time

if it doesnt save resources then its worse in every way

damn

[spare bolt]

All rails cost the same

[plain marten]

anyway simplicity beats saving resources im interested to hear why anyone would think otherwise

the map has enough resources

[atomic notch]

I agree just stick with fluids

Unless you really like packager setups

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't even worry at this point. The pfp and profile tell me all I need to know about his intelligence. 🤷‍♂️

[plain marten]

its annoying that satisfacotry planner makes my factories look more complicated when i turn all alternates on

[hard ivy]

truee

[plain marten]

are you anti trump or what

[spare bolt]

I’ll be using packagers to transport the fluids up to the tracks

[hard ivy]

make sure you use a second station to load the same train twice so you actually get the benefits of doing that

and balance the wagons and set it to only depart when empty/full

[plain marten]

just use a pump lol

[ionic forge]

Stone is only used to make concrete and foundations right

[sullen gull]

One is an idiot if not. 🤷‍♂️ . But, yes my fault at first, can take it to #off-topic-general if you'd care to share more.

[plain marten]

they should add a satisfactory planner setting where it shows the plan with the least steps

[hard ivy]

then make one

[plain marten]

super useful that would be

[green fiber]

too bad barely anyone ever asks for the simplest plan

[plain marten]

i do but its annoying since i have to pick alternate recipes which i think would simplify it

[green fiber]

you are honestly like... the first i heard that only wants things simple

[plain marten]

but complexity is bad its inefficient

it ruined my assembly director factory

because i tried following all my alts

[hard ivy]

skill issue

[green fiber]

efficiency is subjective.
you value simplicity. Thats your personal agenda

[plain marten]

and ended up with a horrible factory

[sullen gull]

Heh, I just can't .. literally the first person ever I will block 🤣

[plain marten]

the planner wanted me to use bauxite only to use it for something which i didnt even need aluminum for and couldve used another resource

and i wasted time setting up bauxite transport

[hard ivy]

not even the "my pipes don't work" guy?

[sullen gull]

Nah, I actually helped him 🤣

[plain marten]

theres enough resource in the map, you dont need to use all the alts so its the most efficient way i think

[green fiber]

Sorry but so far, nobody discovered or bothered to make the math that describes simplicity.
Its not a metric many planners can account for

[green fiber]

Even so, people will do whatever they think is efficient

[plain marten]

it can just show the plan that takes the least steps possible, thats the simplest

building the main factory isnt a headache when the plan is simple

[green fiber]

Welp. You can ask the guys who make the calculators if they pretty please could add an option for that

Otherwise: better get back to the drawing board

I dont know of a single calc out there that does that

[plain marten]

whadever i can still hand pick the alternates and just look at the plan if it looks simpler

[sullen gull]

Probably modeler.. But not 'automatically'

[green fiber]

I believe i gave you a list of alts a while ago

Ones that probably fulfill your criterion of "makes stuff simpler"

[plain marten]

i dont recall

[green fiber]

#satisfactory message

[plain marten]

heres what my factory looks like after i tried following all the alts which was painful#screenshots message

i found out that i didnt need aluminum midway so that was anonying

[plain marten]

oh yes i use those but there are plenty more

like sloppy alumina and caterium wire and stuff

i love sloppy alumina

[green fiber]

Yeah but it gets less and less easy to tell how much simpler they make stuff.
Like.... im certain instant scrap takes about as many steps as sloppy + scrap to make aluminum

just that it uses different resources

[plain marten]

whatever i dont care about that as long as its simple its good

also iron pipes are sooooo good

[green fiber]

Electrode circuit board

No copper for circuit boards. just oil

[plain marten]

ew i dont use that

i dont know what petroleum coke is so i have sticked away from that

[green fiber]

its just heavy oil

which you get when you make rubber anyway

[plain marten]

normal circuit board is what i use

or caterium

[plain marten]

no i get heavy oil residue

[green fiber]

Seems like more effort to me but whatever i guess

[plain marten]

anyway ill keep that in mind in case i have a factory that uses oil as an important resource

i dont want to drag in more nodes because it adds complexity and complexity makes my facotries more inefficient and messy

and takes more time

[green fiber]

If you use the default rubber recipe, its literally 2 steps to make electrode circuit boards from rubber.
Oil to Rubber (+ HOR). Then the HOR to coke.
and then you just turn that to circuit boards.
Dead simple. And if you have coke left over you can just throw it away

No copper, no nothing else.

[plain marten]

very interesting

ill use that if i have something that uses oil

oh wait normal circuit board already uses oil

[green fiber]

yeah it does

[plain marten]

guess ill use that from now on then

[green fiber]

it needs plastic

[plain marten]

thanks for the recomendation

[green fiber]

other than that i cant think of many recipes that simplify stuff.
for heavy frames it would probably be heavy encased frame + industrial pipe + steeled frame ?

that way you get to use steel pipes 3 times. for the modular frames, for the encased beams and for the heavy modular frames

as for the reinforced plates.... Its honestly whatever. None of them seem simpler.
Unless you hate screws, in that case its stitched (or adhered but involving oil seems unlikely if you want simplicity).
Stitched plus Caterium wire or Iron wire or Normal wire.
Whatever you want. Its all the same number of steps, just different amounts of machines

[plain marten]

there are many

like iron pipe, pure aluminum ingot, sloppy alumina, caterium wire etc

i usually use around 10 alts whenever i make something

anything that reduces the steps

i really want to get coated cable it could finally deal with heavy oil residue

[green fiber]

or you just make fuel and make power.

[plain marten]

oh wait it needs copper damn

[plain marten]

its annoying i have to make plastic, to make the containers, to package it and then i haveto sink it

[green fiber]

Oh. Make coke then

you can sink coke

If you have fuel generators tho, you can just burn fuel directly

If you are at aluminum, you must have fuel generators by now tho, right?

[plain marten]

im at all tiers complete except 9

[green fiber]

Well then just turn the Heavy Oil to Fuel and burn it in fuel generators

much less complicated than making canisters and packaging it to sink it

[sullen gull]

Careful now, DPF is like the king cheese round here it seems 🤣

[green fiber]

well now that they know of an easier way i kinda doubt they would touch DPF

[sullen gull]

Uses too many resources to be efficient right? 😏

[plain marten]

youre a goddamn genius

i dont know why that hasnt occured to me

but still the power is going to fluctuate unless i do the math

and fuel generators use space so idunno

[green fiber]

a tiny bit of math

[plain marten]

math bad

[hard ivy]

more like you bad at math

[green fiber]

You need to deal with the heavy oil anyway.
And fuel gens take less space than coal gens for the same power

[plain marten]

i can use math but its against my philosophy of simplicity

[plain marten]

mhm but i can just have it make more canisters than needed

[green fiber]

yeah but thats more steps again.
vs just burning the fuel

[plain marten]

indeed this is a tough pickle

but usually my facotries are quite tight and math isnt simplicity so i think i might have to go with packaging

but i will definitely consider this alternate option

[hard ivy]

I just wouldn't have a HOR byproduct in the first place 🤷‍♂️

[plain marten]

so you never use oil?

[green fiber]

the only other option would just be making coke and sinking it

that doesnt need math

[hard ivy]

DF and recycling loop and HOR is a desired product

[plain marten]

whats df

[hard ivy]

diluted fuel

[green fiber]

yeah but dont you see thats math and extra steps and thats BAAAAD

[plain marten]

i havent heard of this recipe

[green fiber]

Petroleum Coke

[plain marten]

BRUH THATS SO GOOD

HOW HAVE I MISSED THATTTTTT

ughhhh

[green fiber]

its the same coke i told you about that you need for making Electrode Circuit Board

[plain marten]

thanks, that will help me out

[plain marten]

i just never knew what coke was so ive been avoiding it

same with turbofuel, though i still dont know what turbofuel is

havent researched it in the mam

[green fiber]

always look at something before you discard it.
It might just make your life easier

[hard ivy]

turbofuel is a trap

[green fiber]

Turbofuel is more steps tho so thats probably not something for you

[plain marten]

indeed which is why ive skipped it

[green fiber]

it takes coal and sulfur and oil

[plain marten]

i want to make nuclear plant not some stupid oil plant

[green fiber]

nuclear?
thats optional tho.

[plain marten]

diluted fuel is useless unles youre making a power plant

[green fiber]

If you want simple fuel power with 0 math, use the default fuel recipe and then just trash the resin

[hard ivy]

ah, yes, because that's simple

[hard ivy]

recycling loop

best way to make plastic/rubber. 4.5x more oil efficient than defaults

[plain marten]

nuclear power is cool, i wanna make one and i will be using a lot of poewr in phase 5

[plain marten]

i like nuclear power

[elder apex]

you wouldn't say that if you knew the regulatory hassles that nuclear has to go through that other power types do not

[green fiber]

Im very surprised that you wanna go with nuclear, the power source with the MOST steps needed

[plain marten]

and nuclear power uses particle accelerators for plutonium pellets and i love particle accelerator the sound they make is so good

[plain marten]

i know them but nuclear doesnt pollute and its very good at generating power

[sullen gull]

From whining about .5 fpm to wanting to do nuclear now? smh

[plain marten]

ive always wanted to do nuclear

[hard ivy]

both of those are questionable statements (in SF)

[plain marten]

particle accelerator asmr tho

and its not complicated i just make some fuel rods and put some water and boom i have nuclear power

[green fiber]

Well, until you get there, you can go with dead easy fuel power.

[plain marten]

indeed, thats what im doing but soon it wont be enough

[hard ivy]

and then waste

[green fiber]

Store waste indefinitely .
At least the plutonium

Plutonium processing sure is something

[plain marten]

which can be removed with the particle accelerator which looks so cool and makes asmr sounds its soooooo good

right now my only particle accelerator place is my nuclear pasta plant but its far away from everythin

[hard ivy]

but is 17 more steps than rocket

[plain marten]

whats rocket

[green fiber]

Rocket fuel

[hard ivy]

rocket fuel

[green fiber]

Turbofuel's cousin

it needs nitrogen

[plain marten]

i dont know what that is i just know that its bad for the jetpack so i dont make it

and i built my gas plant before 1.0

[hard ivy]

it's the best power source

[green fiber]

its not bad for the jetpack.
But if liquid biofuel is your metric then yeah its a bit questionable

[hard ivy]

LBF or Ionized. There is no other jetpack fuel to me

[plain marten]

it runs out fast

its only good for going up but i have pulse nobelisks

[green fiber]

well if you wanna hover around with the jetpack then yes liquid biofuel it is

[elder apex]

i use mentos and diet coke in my jetpack

[green fiber]

Taco Bell propulsion

[sullen gull]

True ingenuity right here there

[hard ivy]

better than hoverpack tbh

[plain marten]

i almost never use the hoverpack even when im in my facotries

for whatever reason

[hard ivy]

I hate the tiny range

only useful in a finished factory

building with it is a nighmare

[plain marten]

my facotries never have power when im in the buidling process

i only put it to the grid when its finished

[hard ivy]

same

once I tried putting the power as I went and gave up halfway

people who like it must use mk1 poles or something

[urban root]

Hey @tidal dove Satisfactory is on sale, on steam for $27.99

[reef basin]

What?

[elder apex]

i think you would have to read back from that post a bit to get what they were saying

[reef basin]

I did, but still confused

[elder apex]

i think he was trying to get you to notice it and make an issue out of somebody saying 10,000 MW instead of 10 GW or something like that

or maybe it was 10k GW and the dual SI prefix issue, i can't remember anything from before my lunchtime well, was too distracted by my hunger

whatever it was it probably wasn't that important overall

[urban root]

I had to scroll up like 5280 feet to see what was happening too.

[sullen gull]

A whole mile!

[hard ivy]

1.7e-41 barns per lightyear

[sullen gull]

What's that in AU please .. 😏

[hard ivy]

1,07578e-8 AU

or about 36205 rack units

[reef forge]

yayyyyy i figured out the steps for aluminum production

i got a ton of useful alt recipes so now i just need a pure bauxite node and a pure coal node

and a little bit of water and caterium

[static surge]

if i'm losing interest in Satisfactory (about to start building factories for phase 3 parts) how do i regain it

[elder apex]

go do something else for a while till you get in the mood to build something again