satisfactory

[boreal musk]

rebind it to another key

[balmy pecan]

thanks !

[dark marsh]

but they are annoying to deal with plus you can have alternate recipes that perform better than the one with screws

[reef basin]

they are fine to deal with, unless you centralise them (but why would you do that)

and alt recipes don't perform "better", they perform "different"

[dark marsh]

what if the output per minute is better? its not different its better

[reef basin]

if output per minute is higher, that means the recipe is faster. But doesn't mean it's also resource efficient, or power efficient, or that it uses less rare resources, or whatever else you might want to prioritise

and by your logic, bolted iron plate alternate is best (and uses screws), because it has most output per minute

[dark marsh]

almost all recipes with screws have a better alternate one

[reef basin]

"better" depends on your preferences. You can't rank recipes objectively

[dark marsh]

some you can but that takes alot of work

[fathom grove]

Maybe with the ressource/product ratio ? AFAIK there are some recipes that are more cost-efficient

[reef basin]

no, you can't. There's always a tradeoff

[dark marsh]

yes you can

[reef basin]

example?

[dark marsh]

caterium computers

idk if i spelled it right

[dense violet]

I have crystal nearby, crystal computer becomes better

[leaden turret]

glass requires limestone to reduce viscocity, so 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

how are they "better"? they are different, use different resources, how can you compare that?

[dark marsh]

it mostly depends on your locaction but if you have trains that is not a problem

[dark marsh]

the output

[dense violet]

not at all. that is a subjective opinion, not objective

[reef basin]

that's just one property, doesn't mean it's objectively better

[dark marsh]

whats the difference (im not a native english speaker)

[dark marsh]

dude what are you trying to do

[reef basin]

subjective: based on your opinions
objective: based on facts

[dense violet]

subjective is
I like the colour blue

objective

5 is bigger than 3

[dark marsh]

aha

thanks

[reef basin]

show you that all recipes have their use and no recipe is "better" than other

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> Star Trek has transparent aluminium, please confirm if FICSIT has transparent steel

[dark marsh]

some are dude but there are so many

[reef basin]

none are

[reef basin]

well yeah, but:

• that assumes you value resources in some way (the comparisons usually use some weighted values)
• that also assumes that you only care about that resource efficiency you defined, and not about anything else

[dark marsh]

so you use a recipe that has not a good output, is expensive and uses alot of power? while there are different ones

[leaden turret]

the internet is arguing over the mistaken belief that someone liking the colour blue means they are wrong because you like the colour green

[reef basin]

there's no recipe that has all those at the same time

[dark marsh]

its an example

[dark marsh]

yk what i mean

[dense violet]

but yes, values of recipes change based on

location
terrain
logistical options
logistical preferences
volume of what you're making
volume of other things yu're making nearby
what other recipes you're using

[dark marsh]

dont try to get smart

[dark marsh]

thanks

[leaden turret]

smart plates

[fathom grove]

What is wrong with valuing ressources ? You should do it regarding your location

[fathom grove]

Truth has be spoken

[reef basin]

nothing inherently wrong, it's just that everybody does it differently

[dark marsh]

yup

[leaden turret]

level of tedium required to change current / existing plans

[dark marsh]

its like a 1v3 what are you trying to do

[reef basin]

??? cobalt is literally saying the same thing as me

[dense violet]

much more eloquant 😛

[reef basin]

just worded slightly differently

[boreal musk]

if i dont want to bring oil, im using crystal computer and silicon circuit board alt
if i want to save crystal, im using caterium computer

as simple as that

[reef basin]

if you don't want either, you use default 🤷

[crystal cedar]

#screenshots shud this be on or off

[reef basin]

depends on a lot of factors. easiest is to test and see 😛

[dense violet]

Generally I'd say off. Can make built up areas slow

[green fiber]

Yes because im built different

Aesthetic recipe choice

[prisma thicket]

Can anyone explain to me why an unpowered pump is preferred over a valve for stopping flow in the wrong direction?

[frail sleet]

They're not

[hard ivy]

Frankly, I wouldn't use either

[dense violet]

well valves don't actually stop backflow

as I'm pretty sure I've mentioned to you before

[frail sleet]

Valves stop backflow through valves and always have with 100% efficacy.

They don't stop backflow through junctions because you can't attach a valve to a junction.

[hard ivy]

They do if you put a valve at every connection between pipes

Which is impossible if you use a single junction, but still

[reef basin]

usually it's preferred to not "stop flow in wrong direction"

[frail sleet]

Besides, an unpowered pump behaves no differently than a valve for enforcing flow direction, it just also sets headlift to 0m (which is usually bad)

[dense violet]

it is questionable how reliable putting valves at every pipe and junction is

[prisma thicket]

Well putting an unpowered pump on either side of a junction fixed the flow problem I was having, I was just curious why people said don't use valves, and I vaguely remember someone saying to use unpowered pumps instead.

[dense violet]

powered pump. but thats a fairly niche situation

like if you're doing branched manifolds or have weird elevation changes that you shouldn't have

[frail sleet]

In every test that i've ran and seen documented on here, spamming valves/pumps along the intended flow direction did measurably improve flow (and never made it worse) - but they can't prevent backflow through junctions because you can't attach a valve to a junction, so they're not 100 percent effective.

It's generally probably better to accept some level of backflow when splitting unevenly and just downrate the pipes before doing so in order to account for it (or never ask them to carry enough fluid to exceed the flow rate cap, either way)

[prisma thicket]

Just merging 2 water lines and needed 100% of the water into the junction going out the 3rd side. Seems to be working just fine now.

[frail sleet]

There is also likely some bug or unintended behavior with headlift transmission that powered pumps may help with.

[dense violet]

it probably has more to do with the rest of the layout

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

oh are you direct feeding waste water into bauxite processing?

[prisma thicket]

The waste water is being fed into 2 other systems and the remainder is going into the bauxite refineries, yes.

[dense violet]

yeah, direct feeding like that is just incredibly fiddly.
it's like spinning a plate on a stick, you keep trying until it spins properly and hope it keeps going

don't use hover packs around it if you have switches anywhere on the grid

[hard ivy]

oh yeah that can break a static alu setup lmao

[dense violet]

one of the many reasons to not direct feed like that

[prisma thicket]

No power switches to speak of, haven't had need of them yet. How exactly does using a hoverpack affect them though?

[dense violet]

if you have a power switch anywhere on yoru grid and use a hover pack it can stutter machines briefly when swapping connections

and that sort of thing can murder a direct feed system like that has it has to run perfectly all the time

I'm not kidding about them being like spinning plates. They tolerate no bumps

[prisma thicket]

Good to know, will avoid the hoverpack in conjunction with power switches.

[dense violet]

or just don't mix fresh and byproduct liquids

[hard ivy]

or use a VIP junction

[dense violet]

VIPs aren't bad, not nearly as fiddly, but can just not work upon building them

probably the 2nd most reliable option

[prisma thicket]

How do you setup a VIP junction? Just so I know for future.

[dense violet]

pipe manual pinned in #math-and-meta

keeping waste and fresh however is objectively the most reliable and unbreakable #1347741162018046083 message

and can be used with dark matter residue later

as vips don't work with gasses

[hard ivy]

I thinks somebody said they managed to make a VIP for gasses but it wasn't the standard design

[earnest dome]

just wake up and noticed that 1.1 will be out 10/6 yey.. that's news make my day xD

[prisma thicket]

Just less than a week away 😄

[earnest dome]

yey \o/

[dense violet]

they made a buffer system for gas

[clever pier]

something weird in train platform stats. I have a cargo platform feeding sulfur to two blenders making turbo blender fuel , together they consume 90 sulfur a minute. my trains are filling the platform back up faster than it can be emptied but it only shows 27 per minute

I thought it should show 90 per minute as thats the amount being taken from it per minute

[clever pier]

that pipe manual is extremely out of date. stuff it says doesn't work now works fine. I don't think we should be still pinning it and recommending it until its updated

[leaden turret]

is caterium paint on pipe junction a vip junction?

[hard ivy]

it should show that after some time

[clever pier]

it been like this for hours

[hard ivy]

and the blenders are actually consuming 90/min?

and it's being fed from 1 platform and nothing else?

[dense violet]

examples? @green fiber

[green fiber]

Most of the basics still apply

The only thing in the manual i would no longer recommend is the VIP

[green fiber]

There is rarely anything in the manual that is stated to outright "not work"

[hard ivy]

why?

I haven't had issues with it the last time I used one

[green fiber]

Because its a nonsense thing and i handed off responsibility for it anyway

I dont support it and so i wont try to even make it work in any situation

[clever pier]

i've never had a use for a VIP once in my three start to finish playthroughs

[green fiber]

I don't use it either, i just included it out of documentation reasons but honestly id prefer if that was on the wiki, not the manual

[clever pier]

I also don't understand why you'd ever use a water tower instad of pumps ?

[green fiber]

Dont ask, people invent reasons

It is a possibility and i do get it. But i wont recommend uses for it

[clever pier]

I feel like prefilling isn't usually needed any more as well

while the manual recommends it

[hard ivy]

90% of the things people recommend doing are not necessary

[dense violet]

it's good for trouble shooting and making a less stable system more so shrug

[green fiber]

Prefilling is just a wwa to speed up the process that would happen anyway

[clever pier]

prefill the pipes yes... prefilling the machines. not needed

[hard ivy]

I don't do either 🤷‍♂️

[green fiber]

Many just complain "my generators arent working consistently yet whyyyyyy"

Its either "wait for the pipes to do their job" or "you can prefill em"

Having machines run while pipes fill em means it takes longer to reach stability, depending on your pipe network

[clever pier]

i thought the guide recommended against fluid trains, but I think that was another guide

fluid trains work fine, with both gas and liquids

[green fiber]

No the manual doesnt mention trains at all

The only issue with gas that it tackles is that you cant buffer it the same way you can do fluids

[clever pier]

yeah ok it must have been another pipe guide I saw on reddit I was thinking of

[green fiber]

You can check the manual on the wiki page for pipes

Thats the exact version many share of it

[dense violet]

Well there's Lady hawks' method. but that's not widely known

[clever pier]

buffering gas works fine for me and I'm not doing anything special?

[green fiber]

I do plan to rework it someday and turn it into a proper troubleshooting guide for stuff rather than just explaining stuff and saying "do this to make it work"

[green fiber]

Its a bit more counterintuitive how it works.
It cannot sustain high flow rates for long because the output is proportional to how full the buffer is.

So if you need very high flow, its a bit strict

[clever pier]

ah ok... I always over provide with liquids and gases so thats why the buffer is always full and it works

[green fiber]

So you always deliver more than your factories need?

[clever pier]

yes

and deliver more into the gas platform than the train can take out

[green fiber]

Yeah I cant just assume everyone does that because thats certainly not the case

[clever pier]

its avoids problems in my experience

because it keeps the pipes always full

[green fiber]

Yeah but thats a very specific way to handle fluids

And the goal of the manual is to handle pipes as general as possible and make the rules clear

[clever pier]

fair enough, apologies I was wrong about it being out of date

[green fiber]

I mean it is a bit behind on some things and i do wanna update it, but generally it still is very much applicable as pipe mechanics barely changed

[hard ivy]

the only thing that I know changed is that valves are accurate now

the display in them still isn't but at least the flow is

[green fiber]

I think the manual was actually kinda correct with valves as it just says "the display value is a bit inaccurate, but it works fine if used right"

[reef basin]

What do you have the buffer for then?

[green fiber]

Presumably to unload the station fast? The buffers do slow down how fast the flow rate in the pipes declines

But inevitably flow rate does slow down as buffers empty

Its just a matter of how fast

[clever pier]

to smooth out the input and output from trains so its continuous

[clever pier]

if you deliver more to the station than the buffer empties per minute then its fine

this is pretty trivial to do with nitrogen

I'm just setting up the same with rocket fuel for drones

[reef basin]

ah, I thought it's in the middle of production, yeah for train platform buffering it's fine

[green fiber]

Yeah in that case the buffers just buy you some time in case a train gets delayed and they keep the flow rate high

[sick heart]

finished the game and am 40 tickets short of golden nut, time to get killing

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-getting-ready-commando-gif-4535586

[pearl walrus]

Im not even close with finishing but Ill have the golden nut soon😎

[last jungle]

why did i just get a lag spike from changing pc languages

[clever pier]

just sink some phase 5 elevator parts and you'll have them quick

[last jungle]

i was tryna switch to english and it hit me with lag lol

[timid rune]

hmm the problem of how vertical I want my nuclear power plant stack to be...

[hard ivy]

the reactors? a single layer right above water. the rest? up to you

[clever pier]

do pumps increase flow rate on horizontal pipes when used with gases?

[hard ivy]

pumps are valves without limit but with head lift. if valves won't help, neither will pumps

[clever pier]

answerint my own question yes they do

[timid rune]

yeah

alright... time for A LOT of horizontal space then lol

[leaden turret]

is pipe manual not tube manual

[clever pier]

the issue isn't headlift, the issue is the dispersion rate from pressure alone in pipes vs the dispersion rate from pumps (with gases)

[last jungle]

feezycs

[green fiber]

nope, they cant increase anything there as they can only move fluid out as fast as it goes in

[clever pier]

without pipe I was getting 40m3 through the pipe with rocket fuel. with pump I get 300 m3 through it

[clever pier]

wrong I've just tested it

[timid rune]

alright time to find space for 170 nuclear plants ez

[green fiber]

Well it makes no sense. The input pipe cant accelerate just because theres a pump there

[clever pier]

try it for yourself

maybe it changed in recent version

[green fiber]

I have often enough. But i'll gladly try again once im home

[clever pier]

ok I am on experimental

[timid rune]

I did build my uranium processing complex a tad too high up

[green fiber]

Gas pipes are bound by how full they are and unless your pipe is full, it cant flow at 600/min

[timid rune]

but alas

[green fiber]

If you can tell me pipe mk, fullness and flow rate i can check it by math tho

Also to note: the flow rate that a pump shows is not always identical with how fast fluid moves through it

[hard ivy]

and you can't trust what the pipe shows either 👆

[green fiber]

Eh you can if you work with averages

[hard ivy]

the proper way to test flow is via machine efficiency

[clever pier]

my setup is buffer from train which is full -> mk2 pipes -> multiple packagers. when I place a pump directly after the buffer I see a higher flow rate in the pipes to the packagers

again this is rocket fuel a gas

[hard ivy]

nope. I had a pipe showing 120/min, a valve set to 120/min (showing 118.1) and a pipe after it showed 118. even though the machines were producing and consuming 120/min at 100%

[green fiber]

Pipe accuracy moment

One did show 120/min tho so that seems fine

I alwqys just look at if the values are close enough and stable (if at max)

[timid rune]

I was thinking about doing it like the neon building... but I think I might throw that idea somewhat out of the windows 😄

[hard ivy]

i mean you can build whatever you want and make it work but piping will be much easier if you put the water extractors right underneath the reactors

[timid rune]

Yeah that's the obvious

[clever pier]

I put the reactors on the same level as the extractors

[green fiber]

Put the reactors underneath the extractors

[clever pier]

build over a lake

[hard ivy]

that works too but larger footprint

that and i trust vertical pipes more than horizontal ones

[clever pier]

plantey of room on the map

[mossy moon]

i have this issue called i really want my reactors in this specific location in the middle of the desert. what to do then?

[dense violet]

suffer accordingly

either suffer by not having them there
or suffer having to move all that water

as long as there is much suffering

[hard ivy]

have fun pulling dozens of pipes

or a train lol

bonus points if you package the water

[mossy moon]

i already did but havent started up the reactors so idk if the pipes will tranport the 24 600 pipes corectly

[paper sleet]

Hi, new player. can someone PLEASE help me understand why I have 2 coal powers, but only one of them works. Both of them have water and coal inserted into it but the fuse keeps going off

[clever pier]

I'd use water trains

instead of long pipelines

[dense violet]

post some overhead images in #math-and-meta

[hard ivy]

post in #1038092680493801533 with images

[paper sleet]

Ok thanks

[mossy moon]

im currently building uranium waste processing before i start burning uranium fuel rods and i have everything ready for the plant to be turned on

inculding water pipes (which was a pain but i built it after bp autoconnect was added)

main question is is there any reason other than having to build ton of pipes to build reactors near water

[dense violet]

generally having things distant from their needs is a lot of logistics. That's basically it

and moving many thousands of liquid pm is often a pain

[clever pier]

considering the only inputs and outputs for nuke plants are URods, Waste and water its far easier to build them at water and bring in the Urods and take away waste to elsewhere

which can easily be managed by drones

[mossy moon]

ye but i already dealt with all that. ig there shouldnt be any other issue with it

[timid rune]

I kinda made the mistake of building my uranium processing so high up hah: #design-and-architecture message

[mossy moon]

ye ik but i want to build it in the middle of the desert bcs i found a cool spot for reactors and stuff

[last jungle]

bro why does researching compacted coal take A HARD DRIVE

[peak wasp]

Happy men's mental health month

[last jungle]

i have a hard drive but thats really expensive imo

[hard ivy]

cause it is/used to be an alt

[stone python]

theres enough HDs for everything 🙂

[last jungle]

ohhh ok

[mossy moon]

fun fact: you can buy hard drives (unless they removed it)

[clever pier]

for some reason the "special" fuels all take HD, eg turbo fuel and rocket fuel and ionised

[dense violet]

alt recipes take a hard drive

[hard ivy]

in tier 8 but yes

[last jungle]

how can i even find hard drives with scanner or smth

[hard ivy]

you don't need to tho

[hard ivy]

scanner or SCIM if you're lazy

[last jungle]

scim?

[dense violet]

crash sites. Big orange wrecks in the wilderness

[hard ivy]

interactive map

[clever pier]

radar towers also tell you how many HD are in an area but not where

[hard ivy]

has all the drive locations (any other things)

[last jungle]

yea ik how crash sites look i have like 3 found 2 scanned

[mossy moon]

its satisfactory calculator for the "SC" right

[hard ivy]

yes

their production planner is terrible tho

[dense violet]

only 90 more to go

[hard ivy]

more like 110

[last jungle]

im gonna hit that respawn button in the pause menu irl rq brb

[hard ivy]

make sure you have keep inventory enabled

[last jungle]

real

FINALLY IM NOT CONSTANTLY RUNNING OUT OF STEEL BEAMS

[hard ivy]

you stopped using them?

[last jungle]

im almost done with t2 elevator and next phase needs more

so i better not underporduce them early

wait since when was i on 4 bars of hp lol

bro i found like 5 blue power slugs in 1 cave cavity wth

[onyx owl]

hello

[clever pier]

that pioneer ain't resting... she's dead as a doornail, kaput, no more, an ex pioneer

[last jungle]

too bad my rmb is fully functional

[clever pier]

did you find the coke steel alt? it helps a lot with steel production

[last jungle]

no

WAIT

IM DONE WITH SPACE ELEVATOR T2

[onyx owl]

with patch 1.1 and controller support being added

can you theoretically play satisfactory on a portable gaming device

[leaden turret]

steam deck has been playable for a while

[onyx owl]

i mean ones that run fully windows

like asus rog ally and msi claw, etc

[hard ivy]

steam deck can run windows, no?

[onyx owl]

i dont have a steam deck

💔

[clever pier]

yes

[hard ivy]

I'd hazard a guess that SF is currently playable on all modern portable gaming devices. Controller support will just make it easier

[clever pier]

ASUS ROG ally is a little bit more powerful than Steamdeck

so anything that runs on steamdeck should be ok on ROG Ally

[sage sand]

Will all current worlds update to 1.1 or will you have to start a new one for 1.1?

[reef basin]

world doesn't care about game version

[hard ivy]

unless modded, all 1.0 worlds will work fine in 1.1

[reef basin]

depends just on which game version you play

[clever pier]

no nodes or map changes in 1.1

I finally hit 20GW only with rocket fuel, coal and alien power augmenters. should be enough

[sage sand]

ok thank you 🙂

[clever pier]

I want to run three teleporters continuously so I'll need some continuous pasta production

[dense violet]

just stick a stack in when you want to use it

[clever pier]

I thought bad things happen if the teleporter drops?

thats what the description says?

[last jungle]

#screenshots which one

[dense violet]

other people do it

[reef basin]

whichever you like more

[hard ivy]

it needs to be reactivated and that's it

that said, not having the TPs powered up all the time makes them pointless imo

cause they take like 30 seconds to activate

[clever pier]

can you reactivate it from either end or only from the master end?

[reef basin]

if you don't know, flip a coin or keep it unpicked

[last jungle]

ill keep unpicked ig

[hard ivy]

i'd take miner.

[last jungle]

i mean its not really necessary to have miners automated but i see why u would pick this

[clever pier]

anyway I want to keep the portals continuously open

[hard ivy]

as long as the master has cells, i think either end can activate

[dense violet]

just pick one

[hard ivy]

i like having my DD continously supplied

[last jungle]

whats dd

[hard ivy]

it's more useful than steel screw anyway imo

[hard ivy]

dimensional depot

[last jungle]

ohh ok

[reef basin]

steel screws are great tbh

[clever pier]

if only we could automate inhalers into DD

[hard ivy]

i might make a mod to add them to a manufacturer

if there isn't one

[clever pier]

it might already exist

[hard ivy]

it should be easy

[last jungle]

should i finish my t4 milestones (that i practically dont care about/dont need) or get things like oil processing

prob oil processing

[reef basin]

up to you 🙂

play the game any way you want

[last jungle]

yea im getting oil processing really the only thing i care about in t4 is hypertubes and thats it

[hard ivy]

only if you want a lot of screws. I don't want a single screw

thogh that'll change when I start using my mod lol

[steep scarab]

yay! finally reached plutonium rods/waste

what do i do with the plutonium waste?

[last jungle]

i assume dump it

somewhere

[dense violet]

stop burning hte p rods 😛

don't have waste

[hard ivy]

either store or turn into ficsonium (which doesn't make waste)

[last jungle]

is it possible to fully automate nobelisks?

[hard ivy]

though if you don't want to store it anywhere, not burning the plutonium is a much better solution than ficsonium

[hard ivy]

except gas

[last jungle]

with like alternate recipes and stuff?

nvm its in the base assembler with appropriate research

[analog totem]

A known bug from 4 years ago with provided steps to reproduce is still in the game and kills ya.

[reef basin]

many bugs are in the game, new ones are also appearing

they are being fixed over time, based on priority and affected portion of playerbase

[analog totem]

There is a youtube video of them specifically talking about said bug and saying "please tell us how to reproduce it" and that they've been trying to fix for a long time, but not been able to reproduce it. but multiple examples on how to do it was provided in the thread to reproduce.

[last jungle]

why is my power grid flickering ~80mw difference for seemingly no reason

[analog totem]

If a power generator sometimes run out of fuel temporarily it'll shut down.

[last jungle]

its not temporary its constantly changing and everything should be fueled

let me check my coal gens maybe my miners arent making enough

[reef basin]

which can still mean that they e.g. have trouble reproducing it on their end, or that the bug is lower priority (given current efforts to do 1.1 + consoles; also holiday season soon)

[clever pier]

trains have regenerative brakes

[last jungle]

i dont have trains yet

[clever pier]

they feed the grid on downhills

then one of your power gens is probably being partially starved

check the input flows

[last jungle]

all my power is on one grid

[clever pier]

also water for coal gens

make sure you aren't going above 300 in mk 1 pipes

[last jungle]

cuz its my capacity and not consumption

yep

one of my coal gens isnt getting enough coal

ill upg the conveyor and it should be fine

i think it works now

[grand temple]

how do you guys find inspiration for your base design?

[fast lotus]

Im at starting of phase 4, im wondering if I should restart. Im just feeling very stuck with the crap ive done, ive spent the last like 12 hours trying to develop a functional train line and have failed miserably, i wonder if I should start again this time keeping trains in mind, on second hand I kinda just feel like I can simply dismantle everything and basically start "from scratch". What would be your general advice? I have not even touched aluminium production yet, for most important parts I just run around collecting stuff and bring em to the central hub for making complicated stuff

[clever pier]

i don't have a single base, I have scattered factories. And I move both the hub and the elevator multiple times

[clever pier]

do trains as one way loops with signalling, its by far the easiest

[tall ivy]

w/ trains i always did Double lane setups

[clever pier]

eg two tracks with a loop at each end. make sure you keep signalling consistent, eg one way is always on the left or always on the right

[leaden turret]

• #design-and-architecture
• #screenshots
• https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/

[grand temple]

double lane setups on top ong

for closed railways i can understand one way but on a map size scale i cant ever understand using 1 lane

[grand temple]

i just saw a guy curve walls.... how???

[leaden ether]

Phase 4 is the toughest IMHO. I did a lot of rebuilding, building new large power plants and such as I got into it. I.e. rather than the scattered and low volume factories I made for dealing with Iron/Copper/Steel products, I designed a new factory that was 4x the output in preparation in a new location. Phase 4 start is the perfect place to take a break from direct progression and right the wrongs. Restarting will just waste a lot more time having to re enable all the recipes and collectibles work you've already done. I tore down the worst of my old factories but others I let run and sink to earn tickets.

Oh speaking of collectibles, this is a great time to seriously scour for as many harddrives as possible to fill out your alt recipe list.

[leaden turret]

math or mods, take your pick

[tall ivy]

Never get too attached to a factory setup in Satisfactory

[grand temple]

only one ill ever get attached to is diluted fuel

[leaden turret]

not least because Hannah might wake up one day and decide to put a mountain or a forest in the middle of your factory

[tall ivy]

I just mean factories will be re-factored alot

[clever pier]

i'm attached to my 400 / minute rocket fuel factory

[clever pier]

i always build my factories elevated on columns

[tall ivy]

Surely they'd not alter the terrain without telling us

[clever pier]

not like floating in the sky properly supported

[leaden turret]

referring mostly to the people that don't play for months on end and don't keep aprised of updates.

or the people that are deliberately stubborn 😛

[frail sleet]

Just go build somewhere else, if you're monopolising key resources then delete only that (but you probably don't have to)

[steep scarab]

#screenshots

[leaden ether]

Ugh, last night I ran into the worst problem I've found in the game in 700 hours of gameplay. I posted about it here: #1379856617486684353 message but I am kind of gutted by the amount of time I'm going to lose trying to compensate for something that, while maybe not /strictly/ a bug, is certainly a huge game issue if you try to get fancy with your machine placements. Anyone know if this is maybe fixed in 1.1?

[fast lotus]

So like a single track in a circle?

[fast lotus]

I see. Thanks! Just wondering, how exactly do you figure out production at this point?like i dont even know what end goal to keep tbh. Idk what exactly i should tear down lol

[fast lotus]

Lol fair. I guess i can start from scratch in a different place ngl

[leaden ether]

Yeah in the end you really don't know till you finish the game 😄 One reason I've heard people call the entire scripted part of the game a 300 hour tutorial. But you do know what you need to do for Phase 4 so you can decide from looking at the recipies about how much material you might need. I aimed for no more than 1 item a minute to complete the elevator items.

[sage wind]

Why no flip blueprint 😠

[fast lotus]

thats a solid start. Its so stupid simple lol. I can just start from scratch in a different place

How did I not think of this 😂

[reef basin]

because machines aren't symmetrical

[fast lotus]

A flipped merger and belts would be so funny

Shit would just fall out

[sage wind]

Their ports are!!!

[edgy forge]

How can I convince my parents to buy me satisfactory for the next holiday in 3 days

[reef basin]

no? some have e.g. fluid port on one side and solid port on another side

[velvet idol]

foundry:

[sage wind]

In that case, you can't flip, but 90% of times you can flip

[reef basin]

it's just not happening

[elder apex]

you might want to get later in the game, the further you go the more machines you encounter that are not symmetrical in shape

[clever pier]

just remember to blue print manifests and merge manifests facing both directions

l to r and r to l

[trim vine]

ask politely for a math game

[clever pier]

explain to them that it teaches you math, logistics, and puzzle solving skills

[edgy forge]

I think when my dad goes to buy it and when he hears the name he will see it’s not „a math game“

[edgy forge]

I can add it

[trim vine]

Its called Satisfactory, where the entire game is about logistics and factory building

[edgy forge]

Good Idea tbh

[trim vine]

Where in that is it not screaming math and logistical problem solving?

[edgy forge]

If you have played the game you will know but just from the name no

[trim vine]

Eskatonia fleshed out the rest

I was the power point slide

He was the main dialog that must go with it 😛

[edgy forge]

What is Eskatonia

[trim vine]

@clever pier what are you?

[clever pier]

it also teaches you about electrics and power management 😉

[trim vine]

❤️

[edgy forge]

Oh he’s a person

[clever pier]

what am I: the lover of high speed trains

[edgy forge]

Yeah

[clever pier]

trainophile

[edgy forge]

I played about 24h worth at a friend of mine so I know about the game

[trim vine]

Idk mate, I run about 500k mw through a single power pole

irl I'm melting something

[clever pier]

shhhh

[edgy forge]

Yeah

In America (I believe it’s 100V) that would be 5 kAa formula E Car have 670A wich is less then a 5th and these cars are the most powerful EV on the planet

[pearl walrus]

Its not even a lie as well, the game just has you making chores, so theyll want to gift you get the game

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

Here's your math, and this is a relatively simple set up no less

[hard ivy]

"k mw" lmao

that's wrong, twice

[clever pier]

I try to build realistic power networks with large power towers connected to my generators

[pearl walrus]

Not agaian😭😭

[trim vine]

Sorry, I'm not a letter's doctor 😛

[trim vine]

But all power in this game is in MW, a biomass burner makes 30 mw

if I have 500,000 mw

500k MW is the same, no?

[edgy forge]

No it’s 500GW

The Game just doesn’t display it

[clever pier]

the game should have a distribution center building taking 4 squares thats needed between large and small power poles

[hard ivy]

500 000 MW or 500 GW, the only 2 correct way to write this

[trim vine]

While you are correct

I would much rather brag about having 10k pennies than a $100

[velvet idol]

500 kMW

[edgy forge]

Nah

[trim vine]

takes presentation and penny jar home

[edgy forge]

I’ll just annoy them until they agree

[velvet idol]

500 mTW (militera watts)

[trim vine]

and that could still run through a single power pole 😛

[edgy forge]

Terra is written with 2 R

[edgy forge]

Yeah

[trim vine]

They are using geothermal power

So tera is earth in this sense

I need coffee, brain aint braining yet

[edgy forge]

It would still be written otherwise 2R

[edgy forge]

Relatable

[trim vine]

shhhh

let me live

[edgy forge]

Get quad shot espresso

[trim vine]

I'm too wrapped up in this damn rocket fuel plant and the obscene amount of power shards I'm about to use

[reef basin]

no, because M is mega and k is kilo, both being SI prefixes, while SI only allows one prefix

[trim vine]

What is Sl?

[reef basin]

metric system

[edgy forge]

Do you have synthetic production?

[trim vine]

still in phase 4

[edgy forge]

No need to get nerdy

[trim vine]

so i have no idea what you are talking about winks

[reef basin]

we're playing math-based game, ofc we'll be nerdy

[trim vine]

spits out some tobacco

I only know freedom units

[reef basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix

[trim vine]

HOW DOES INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM OF UNITS GO TO Sl!?

[edgy forge]

I’ll get nerdy about production rates and efficiency or so not about the metric system

[trim vine]

well sir, this game runs on metric and cuban coffee

[reef basin]

education is important, especially to teach 'murica about it

[edgy forge]

I thought you needed caffeine not Tabacco

[trim vine]

America has a war on intelligence at the moment, as it makes people feel inferior, please dont poke the sore spot

[edgy forge]

I run on sleepless nights and the something straight from the columbian flour factory

[trim vine]

wheat is wheat no matter where it comes from

stares at the EU and their lack of gluten intolerant people

😉

[edgy forge]

😉

[velvet idol]

because it's French, so it's Système international

SI for short, if you will

[wind gust]

Martincitopants will play this game everyone, ANOTHER ONE WE CAN SEE THEIR CHAOS COME OUT!!!

[hard ivy]

I can't wait to see this lol

[wind gust]

if you want proof: watch the last seconds from their latest video

[hard ivy]

oh, I know

[wind gust]

nice

[hard ivy]

I hope it won't take 3 years again

[wind gust]

yeah i hope too

[hard ivy]

if they only go for completion, it shouldn't take more than 100 hours. that's way less than Factorio SE

[wind gust]

yes, and maybe, just maybe they play with mods

[proper coyote]

is there any way to limit how much a drone carries/the output slots of a drone port? because right now every single drone port i make to transport batteries around is gonna have a buffer of 7800 batteries (1800 in drone, 3000 in drone port that sends batteries, 3000 in drone port that receives batteries) and that is very overkill

[trim vine]

Ok, you have an area where you make fuel, in whatever form it takes, for drones, correct?

We'll call that factory "Gas Station"

Now, instead of making multiple drone ports at the gas station to bring to your "rural" drone ports fuel, instead, try another approach.

When making a rural drone port, create a drone port there with the only job to go back to the gas station to get fuel.

Route every single rural drone port to go back to the gas station, and you only need a single drone port at the gas station

[proper coyote]

ahhh

[trim vine]

Yes, there will be a que at this single port, but you dont need 1800 as you point out, going to each rural area, you need just a couple units at best

[proper coyote]

that makes way more sense

[trim vine]

Whats the fuel type? Batteries? Regular Fuel?

[proper coyote]

batteries

[trim vine]

Yeah, from the southern "western oil fields" to the desert, its only ~.15 units per trip

And I am making 520 batteries a minute, it is 100% overkill

but, I am good to go.... forever....

[proper coyote]

Im making 120 per minute but i think something is bugged for me, i am playing on experimental for 1.1. in the ui it says 0.041 batteries per minute but in reality its more like 2 batteries per minute

to power drones

[trim vine]

Might be, but if it takes multiple minutes to get somewhere, that might account for the difference

[proper coyote]

I had 2 drone ports next to each other to test them out, the round trip there already took 2 minutes

[trim vine]

Typically, even with 120, you should still have overkill

[proper coyote]

i cant post pictures here but i did post some in #satisfactory-experimental where weird ui stuff was going on

[trim vine]

Also consider how fuel is consumed with the jetpack, when "refueling" the jetpack, it will tick down a number of units of fuel, but last for a wee bit

before ticking down a whole number again

[proper coyote]

yeah i know but according to in-game UI it costs 0.041 batteries per minute to power a drone, but in reality its like 2

so something weird is going on

It says 4.06 per trip, 2.18 per minute with a battery as an icon

when i hover over the battery it gives me packaged fuel recipe

but when i look at the fuel input thing it gives 0.041 trip cost

[sage wind]

Damn my CPU is hitting 100C its brand new, I have a giant noctua heat sink and 6 case fans, and 2 CPU fans, how is this possible

[trim vine]

stares in Thermal Paste application

[hard ivy]

or an intel

[sage wind]

It's a brand new Intel CPU they sent me today under warranty for the old faulty one

[sage wind]

I'm pretty sure I did it correctly

[trim vine]

deadpans at you in AMD Ryzen

[trim vine]

Run Cinebench a few times and see how that goes

[hard ivy]

and the previous one wasn't at 100C?

[sage wind]

Yeah it was just as bad

[trim vine]

If your shit heats up to similar amounts, then you installed it poorly

[main dagger]

Is there a Help channel? My game keeps crashing this is a fresh install

[sage wind]

I bought two extra case fans, and redid thermal paste, and cleaned all dust out etc, it spikes up and down.

@main dagger #1038092680493801533

[hard ivy]

or it's a 7 or 9 class and they're at 100C unless lterally chilled

[trim vine]

Download and run Cinebench, and test your system under intentional heavy loads

[sage wind]

It's an i9 It sits around 70-80 while playing

[trim vine]

And see what your numbers are

[sage wind]

But the Max field on HWINFO says 100C

[trim vine]

Correct, you do not want your shit hitting 100c

so, download and run Cinebench, which will stress test your CPU, and let me know what them heat numbers average out at under load

[hard ivy]

also, you can compare score to see if it's similar to what it's supposed to be

[sage wind]

Will try it, just getting modular engines done

[trim vine]

one more question

You shouldnt be hitting those high numbers regardless of this, but I am curious, have you set fan speeds yourself?

Or are they running on their default settings?

[hard ivy]

and is the CPU running on default settings?

[trim vine]

^

[reef forge]

i hope in 1.1 they fix the blueprint white arrow bug

[clever pier]

how many alien power augmenters do you all usually build in an end game map vs how many you keep for slooping production?

[hard ivy]

I don't sloop any permanent production, so I have 10 augmenters after automating shards

[clever pier]

nice

but if you want to go for max ticket production its nice to sloop those outputs

[leaden ether]

I currently have three augmenters but when I complete this nuke plant I'm going to disassemble at least one to free some up. Unless you have a super mega factory setup, there are some items that just demand slooping. Radio Control Units being one -.- They are SO expensive to make and I never seem to have enough.

[clever pier]

alts can help with RCU

[hollow holly]

Also slooping power shard is really usefull

[leaden ether]

I AM using alts for them. Still not enough 😄

[clever pier]

do you have all the alts for radio control units?

fair

[hard ivy]

not when you're in T9

[hard ivy]

default RCU is "cheapest". alts are usefeful for their ingredients

[hollow holly]

Yeah once you got shard fully automated its a diferent story but before that

[reef forge]

man i love color coding every building

[clever pier]

i think I'll end up slooping singularity things permanently so I can keep more teleporters open

[leaden ether]

My largest factory so far, an electronics factory. And while it does make other things RCUs is the MAJOR portion of it. And this makes... 20 RCUs a minute. My target was 40. I had to sloop them as doubling the size of this factory was just a bit too much for me at this point. #screenshots message

[sage wind]

I have modified the fan curves to spin up earlier and faster

[hard ivy]

my philosophy is that if I can automate double, i'll automate double and not waste sloops

[reef forge]

#screenshots message its beautiful 🥹

[clever pier]

if you have enough power and have spare sloops then its not really "wasting" them

[sage wind]

I am running on the new BIOS recommended settings

[trim vine]

Do you have fans starting on system start? @ roughly maybe 40%? then scaling up to 100% by 75C?

And to answer @hard ivy , are your intel CPU settings default?

[sage wind]

I haven't modified anything related to that

[trim vine]

Ok, I am a fan of overkill when it comes to cooling, recommend you set fan speed curves similar to what I recommend above.

Let me know how the cinebench stuff goes, when you run it

[sage wind]

Maxon?

I have restarted my computer to access BIOS to bump fan speeds up and my computer is idling around 50C

Surely that's ridiculous

[trim vine]

yeah

[sage wind]

I'll see what this tool says

[trim vine]

30-35 idiling

monitor temp levels while it runs

[sage wind]

That doesn't do it for you?

7% CPU usage and 40-50C

It's weird how much it fluctuates

It goes 35-50C constantly

[sage wind]

I had to cancel it, instantly jumps my CPU to 100C

[trim vine]

Several things could be wrong then

Thermal paste poorly applied

CPU not making proper contact with the sink

Recommend taking your CPU to a repair shop and asking them to fix it

[hard ivy]

did you take off the plastic from the cooler?

[sage wind]

I have just received this CPU today

[trim vine]

unless you are very confident in your computer repair skills

[sage wind]

From intel

[trim vine]

Then you should be under warranty, and I would contact them immediately

[hard ivy]

but also, it's an i9. I'm pretty sure they go to 100C under full load unless literally chilled below ambient

[sage wind]

Surely they haven't sent me another broken CPU

[hard ivy]

neither air coolers or AIOs can get them to below 100 when fully loaded

[trim vine]

any decent sink should prevent that, no?

Mind you I havent done research on intel specs in awhile

[trim vine]

Interesting, Intel is feeling like 2000's AMD stuff

[hard ivy]

idk about default settings, but I know that you can always OC it enough to overwhelm any conventional cooler

[sage wind]

"degradation doesn't happen until 115c. the chip can handle 100c 24/7 and be fine. thats literally what it was made for. intel made it that way. they know better then you." - Reddit User

[hard ivy]

assuming we're talking about like 12th-14th gen

[sage wind]

People online are saying it's perfectly normal for a an i9n 13900KS to hit 100C

[hard ivy]

like I said, run Cinebench, compare scores with scores on the internet

[sage wind]

I'm scared because it instantly puts my CPU to 100C

[hard ivy]

if it's performing as expected, 100C is "fine"

[sage wind]

Fuck it

[hard ivy]

one cinebench run at 100C won't kill it

if the score is very low, it's not cooled properly

[trim vine]

Cinebench is designed to stress test your CPU

It will immediately skyrocket temps, no slow uptick

[real moth]

oh i shud know this.....were is the res for stearcase?, bad englsh, sorry

[trim vine]

awesome shop

[hard ivy]

also, you can check individual core temps. if only one is 100C under all core load, something is bad. if they're all at 100C, the cpu might just run that hot

[spark ruin]

for that CPU ?
i can agree
it IS normal

[real moth]

, thahm, then i shud alredy have it, but i cant find it

[sage wind]

103C 😨

[trim vine]

103, for the full test, using multiple cores?

[sage wind]

Just so far

5 minutes left

[hard ivy]

i'd start worrying at 105-110

[trim vine]

if it holds steady between 95 and 105 C you are fine then

[sage wind]

I'm confused HWINFO has different temps, my CPU is 100C, but "CPU" reported by my motherboard is 88C

If I have run cinebench without the computer powering off, then its probably okay?

[trim vine]

once the test is done, it will give you a score, compare that score to others of your CPU type

if its in line, you're fine

[sage wind]

I just see 2025 points

[hard ivy]

which cinebench version?

[sage wind]

2024.1.0

[trim vine]

google your exact cpu model with "average cinebench score" at the end, and see

[sage wind]

multicore should be 40k apparently I got 2k

[trim vine]

Did you run a multicore?

When you ran the test, were there multiple boxes rendering, or a single box rendering

[hard ivy]

score depends on the cinebench version

40k is probably R15 or R20

[sage wind]

1

Ah screw it its probably fine

Worst case scenario I just buy a new CPU if it breaks

Warranty a refund

Close HWINFO out of sight out of mind 😎

[hard ivy]

I ran CB 2024 on my 5800X3D and got 808. So I'd say 2k for a 13900ks is about expected

it's definitely not worryingly low

[quaint vine]

would anyone like to start a sever together?

or game

[trim vine]

if you would like peace of mind, run it again, with multicore enabled, where you see multiple boxes rendering an image, and review that score

[trim vine]

#1201555265942724758

You might find other folk here who are looking as well 🙂

[quaint vine]

yeah ive noticed it

[gusty vortex]

Would it be worth to combine two pure iron nodes or to use one for foundries and the other for smelters?

[gaunt gyro]

Designing blueprints with 1.1 in mind...will the belt auto-connect feature add belts between splitters, for example? Or should I build a little bit of belt out of the last splitter in my blueprint?

[trim vine]

a better question, do you have the belt capacity to handle two pure nodes?

I am working under the assumption you overclock your miners for more ore

[gusty vortex]

I'm not OC'ing my miners at the moment. I have Mk 3 belts and I'm trying to make Motors at a rate of at least 5/min

[trim vine]

to produce 5 motors a minute, you need only 157.5 iron ore per minute

that is using no alt recipes

[gusty vortex]

Yeah I'm aware but if I need more iron in the future I might want the belts combined

[trim vine]

MK 1 miner?

My advice would be to overclock the miner to the maximum rate, and siphon off excess iron to produce other things, or just have it ready to expand upon your existing production lines

If you segregate your lines, one for ingots and one for steel (please find the solid steel ingot recipe ASAP), you can scale those up as needed down the line to make pipes and beams

[gusty vortex]

Right right. All this logistics is making brain hurty a little ^^'

Like if I need more iron in the future it'd be okay to just expand my smelter manifolds?

[trim vine]

gentle hug

All of our brains hurt cause of this game.

My advice, and this goes for everything you ever build, though NEVER let it overwhelm you, is think about, how can I expand this IF needed with better miners and belts.

For example, right now you might only need 5 motors per minute. What if in a few more milestones/next phase, you suddenly need 50 motors?

You can either just build a new motor factory, or with some planning, expand upon the existing factory.

Both approaches are 100% fine as you should always play how you want to play

using the manifold, with splitters feeding into each smelter (or any machine), you can just add more down the line, space permitting

[gusty vortex]

Right right

I'll go with the Manifold method

I've taken down my entire factory too many times to count ^^'

[trim vine]

I, personally, am a fan of planning for the future, but dont let it overwhelm you

[gusty vortex]

Also also, any tips for organization? Especially with assemblers considering how they don't line up with constructors

[trim vine]

So, when building smelters and constructors, depending on your planning, you need the space of a splitter and merger between them

For assemblers, and other, larger, manufacturing buildings that require 2+ inputs, you will develop a sense of how much space you need to leave to work logistics in.

If you are newer to the game, leave more space than less

[swift kernel]

Always use way more space than you need, if possible.

[trim vine]

You can ask @floral jolt, I have been drilling this into his head for 2 days, build as compact as you can, but always leave ample room for logistics.

[floral jolt]

NO IM NOT READY

[swift kernel]

Compact is never the right answer if you're asking for organization. Compact construction is best understood once you start designing your own blueprints.

[floral jolt]

but yes always leave enough room to split or merge as much as you need to build compact because space will become a real problem and dont me and constantly mess up the colors of input and output

[swift kernel]

Space is free. Fucking use it

[reef basin]

or don't leave extra space and don't modify existing factories

build new factories, easy 😛

[trim vine]

@swift kernel, and many other folk in this discord, have very different approaches to how to build things, none of them are wrong or right, take what we say/show you, and adapt it for yourself.

That being said, your priorities in this game are as follows:

1. Power, and segregated from your other factories
2. Aggressive MAM research
3. whatever you want

[swift kernel]

ITS FREE REAL ESTATE

[floral jolt]

why cant we have nukessssss

[trim vine]

There are nukes in this game

[gusty vortex]

Remind me the items/minute speed of conveyor belts?

[floral jolt]

wait wha

[trim vine]

60, 120, 270, 480, 780, 1200

[gusty vortex]

So I wanna segregate power sources from each factory?

[swift kernel]

Yeah, you've seen my pride and shame

[white dawn]

Open the codex -- o to open the codex directly, or n for a search bar

You can look up any buildable from there, which will also show you the speeds of the belts

[swift kernel]

I've already bared all to @trim vine

[gusty vortex]

Ah thank you

[swift kernel]

Every bit of my factory

[trim vine]

Yes

For example, if you have a coal power plant, it should be somewhat away from anything else, on a closed grid, that you run out from a single power pole

That way if your power grid gets fucked, you can disconnect that single point of power, and fix the plant, to stabalize the grid

[radiant breach]

So, is it ethical to build all steel products in one area? (Steel Beams, Enc. Beams, Steel pipes?

[trim vine]

While designs vary, there are "best practices"

[gusty vortex]

Yeah I have my coal plant hooked up to my starter factory wayyyyy down. I wanna change that presumably?

[trim vine]

Nothing we do in this game is ethical, we are exploiting the planet

Economical? Yes, very

[white dawn]

Steel is simple enough (compared to later-game products, anyway) that I always just make them onsite where necessary. I wouldn't recommend trying to centralize all steel production

Though if you want to centralize anyway, go for it.

(I wouldn't recommend centralizing anything really)

[trim vine]

No no

You build a massive coal power plant (always build closer to fluid sources when you can, its easier to bring coal to water, versus water to coal)

You then, from a single power pole, bring power OUT from that plant, to all your factories

[wanton solar]

has anyone had an issue with the sinks not working. one of mine just stopped working all together

[radiant breach]

Steel is one of the only "Centralized" Parts

[swift kernel]

I mean, I'd centralize elevator production

[trim vine]

is it powered?

Is there something you cant sink on the belt?

[gusty vortex]

Ah okay, yeah I did that

[wanton solar]

its powered only thing on the belt is motors

[white dawn]

You might have something on the belt that can't be sunk; try hovering your dismantle tool over the belt feeding it

[trim vine]

And thats the same for every power plant you build going forward, from biofuel to nuclear.

You keep the things needed to run the plant on a closed grid, and then run power out from there

[gusty vortex]

I have a shitton of coal coming from a coal mine but I only need 45/min, what do I do with the rest of it?

[hard ivy]

you don't need to do anything

[swift kernel]

Build more coal generators

[trim vine]

build more foundarys

[swift kernel]

You'll always need more power

[gusty vortex]

The duality of Ficsit employees

[swift kernel]

Especially in the coal stage

[trim vine]

btw, if you ever want to pop into comms, I am able to help there as well, if you dont want to type

[gusty vortex]

Oh please

[trim vine]

sent you a dm

[radiant breach]

How does one go about making a factory for V Framework and Auto Wiring??
Im pulling my hair out and wasting paper trying to calculate it

[hard ivy]

1 machine and handfeed it items

that's the easiest

[radiant breach]

Yeah.. but i want to automate it before i start the next phase

[hard ivy]

you only need them for the space elevator, so there isn't much reason to fully automate them imo

[radiant breach]

Wont i need even more once i hit Phase IV?

[hard ivy]

and if you just want to, I suggest satisfactory tools

yes, but you can once again hand feed it

[radiant breach]

the other question i guess is where to build it

[hard ivy]

even doing it multiple times is faster than a full factory

space elevator parts are a good source of sink points if you automate them but that's about it

[swift kernel]

Just pull it out my central storage.

[radiant breach]

If only Dimensional Depots allowed for Cross-Platform gameplay

[swift kernel]

You all were so quick to dismiss your central storages with dimensional depots, not realizing they still have use! You fools! You absolute buffoons!

[radiant breach]

Heres the thing

i havent MADE ONE YETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

i was gonna wait till i had trains to build a "Grand Central Station of Storage"

[hard ivy]

what use?

[swift kernel]

You have perfectly good truck starting.

[swift kernel]

Elevator parts

Constant awesome points

[hard ivy]

?

how is central storage relevant

[swift kernel]

Look, I like having everything organized

[radiant breach]

aughhhhhh my brain is exploding from this

[swift kernel]

And when it's all in one place, it makes elevator parts easy

[hard ivy]

DD is one place too?

[swift kernel]

Yeppers

I keep all my sink and dimensional depots together

[rancid dagger]

Hallo people

[quaint vine]

anyone wanna join my sever?

new game

here for anyone

[reef basin]

highly recommend to delete this, unless you want your game griefed

also we have #1201555265942724758 for this kind of stuff

[quaint vine]

have to wait to make post

[reef basin]

then do

[trim vine]

This is so wrong on so many levels

[trim vine]

You are correct, you need smart plating even in phase 5

[trim vine]

Do you want assistance with tools to help you accomplish this?

[hard ivy]

that's my phase 3 factory
#screenshots message

[trim vine]

Aint nothing wrong with that at all

[hard ivy]

why would I build more than that

[trim vine]

Just saying, you need each elevator part throughout each phase

[trim vine]

so phase 4 and 5 stuff uses phase 3, 2, and 1 parts to build

[hard ivy]

I know. But I can just set up one machine per part again and handfeed them again

it takes like half an hour for P3 and an hour for P4

[trim vine]

concur

aint nothing wrong with that

I think @radiant breach wants to automate them though 😛

[reef forge]

finally finished my 8000w turbofuel plant

[trim vine]

pics pls

[hard ivy]

considering the game measures in MW, 8 kW is tiny

[reef basin]

that's one fuel gen clocked at 3.2%

[hard ivy]

0.0032% actually

[reef basin]

uh, right

so impossible

[prime crane]

everyone tell me your satisfactory playtime these last 2 weeks

so i can feel better

[radiant breach]

more so, where to put it next

and how to put together the materials in an automated fashion

[reef basin]

0

[prime crane]

im sad now

[trim vine]

you able to get into comms?

[reef basin]

near resources it needs

[left totem]

you indeed can, that's how I did phase 4 and half of phase 5

for phase 4 I had machines for everything except smart plating and phase 4 parts

for phase 5 I had made the superoscillator, nuclear pasta and the biochemical sculpture

I got the ai expansion servers and BWP handfed

[radiant breach]

errr, sure

after i finish this, in like 10 mins, ill boot up my save

[chilly hinge]

xeno basher is cool n all but damn, I wish we had a "xeno-slicer" (sword)

oh, turns out many people have thought of this

[frozen ingot]

might be on the Q&A site already?

i do think that endgame should have some weap upgrades

i would like to feel more like Iron Man by tier 8/9

can't even one shot the weakest hostile creatures with the rifle in endgame 😛

with all of this space-age, planet hopping, resource grabbing technology

[white dawn]

Eh, I dunno -- homing rifle ammo plus jetpack/hoverpack is already a nearly-zero-skill way to just hold down the fire button until everything's dead

[frozen ingot]

i don't want to do that

[white dawn]

That's already at the stage where I tend to get kind of bored with the combat and just turn on peaceful/retaliate mode; I'm not sure what even-more-powerful weaponry would add to the game

[frozen ingot]

i want to one shot things from afar

[white dawn]

Though, fortunately, modding exists, so what you want probably already exists. :)

[frozen ingot]

rapidly. etc etc 😛

yeah i used to use a mk2 rifle mod, which was kinda fun

not been playing mods recently cos been in exp branch and i've been trying to focus on using blueprints more, which has been absorbing!

[zenith pecan]

I usually just chuck down a combat shack blueprint and let loose with things that go 💥

[frozen ingot]

heh, never done that before

[zenith pecan]

Makes life somewhat easier when you can toss bombs out through the conveyor wall holes in the shack and stuff can't get in, you do need to sidestep missiles ofc.

My older approach is still valid, toss down a vertical stack of foundations and kite around it with the rebar gun, critters and corners don't play nice lol

[median frigate]

do normal pipes cause more lag compared to clean ones?

[hollow vector]

if anything i want stronger enemies

once you get the cluster nobelisk and rifle its so easy

[frail sleet]

the pipe gauge thing doesn't update unless you are standing next to the pipe so it's not a big deal

[frail sleet]

Yes, but rifle is annoying not having enough ammo to kill stuff

hotswapping rifles or reloading midcombat all the time

[median frigate]

i had 480 generators hooked up with standard pipes.. was lazy. swapped them out either way. world is chugging now more than it was, still

thats somewhat to be expected..

[hollow vector]

xenobasher

[urban root]

Just unlock nuke nobilisk. Nothing lives. Sometimes even you. Keep your jetpack fueled

[frail sleet]

unrelated note: I think the same "bug" / performance consequence of having too many of the same belt is also applying to other stuff

Me and Tinker are on a world rn with a quarter million foundations and every time anyone places a foundation, everybodies client stutters. Other stuff is silky smooth.

[median frigate]

i like gas + mask

[frail sleet]

Depends mostly on CPU and RAM performance

[median frigate]

i too constantly kill myself with explosives

[rich flicker]

Hi, I've just completed part 5 of the space elevator and now want to produce the most power from everything however still dont know if nuclear or or ionized fuel makes more does anybody have some advice for that?

[split prairie]

is it normal for locomotives to brake on turns? or this could be caused by path signals?

i also notice that the locomotive keeps breaking/slowing down on straights with path signals but no other locomotives

[frozen ingot]

gratz on saving the day - i would recommend using satisfactorytools.com to crunch the numbers, pretty sure nuclear power is the way to go if you truly want to max things

but not sure!

you might want to check out #math-and-meta too

[raven plank]

it’s worth considering that unless you have a pretty decent computer you might run out of framerate before you run out of raw materials to consume 😀

[urban root]

: Yes

[prime crane]

I get it

[prisma thicket]

Anyone know off hand how many foundations a manufacturer takes up? Setting up a new factory and I kinda want to get an idea of how large I need to make my production floor for 30 manufacturers 😵‍💫

[frail sleet]

more than 2x2, less than 3x3

[broken thorn]

@pastel goblet #screenshots message I saw that on reddit a few hours ago lol. Congrats on the build

[stone python]

-# insert terribly placed joke about needing to build a plane next

[latent prawn]

its about 2x2, across the input ports, 4 splitters fit side-by-side

technically, a little bigger than 2x2

[prisma thicket]

Tested in game, it's 2.5 deep by 2.25 wide.

[dense violet]

!wikisearch manufacturer

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manufacturer

[dense violet]

or just look at the wiki

[latent prawn]

be wary of how lifts connect to them, the snap points for the ports are odd

[prisma thicket]

Yah, I looked at the input numbers and I'm going to have to split them up some to manage the logistics properly since I don't have mk.6 belts, or I could sushi manifold all 25 machines making the same item lol

[rustic otter]

Hello fellow co-workers I am returning after an unfortunate incident when completing phase 5 last time and I have recovered from it. Glad to be back.

[prisma thicket]

Welcome back

[rustic otter]

last time i went full spaghetti and hopefully i can be a little more neat this time

[prisma thicket]

Building on foundations + straight build mode for conveyors helps a lot with reducing the spaghetti xD

[rustic otter]

i might have old screenshots let me see if i can recover those

#screenshots message

heres one

[prisma thicket]

That's some serious spaghetti xD

[rustic otter]

i think is most surprising is that i managed to keep 3 nuclear power plants running somehow thru all of that

i took things off the main production line ran it thru all that and then using stuff like stators make EM rods and stuff like that

only time i made a new factory sector was either for fuel power plants, anything with oil, and increased nuclear pasta

[latent prawn]

well, it isn't primal spaghetti, but eek

[rustic otter]

i managed to make 0.1 more nuclear fuel rods than i was consuming and the only time i had a breaker outage was when i stopped stator production for a little for reasons i cant remember

[broken thorn]

• gets banned

[stone python]

psh, id never

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265680638426742786/1362451567562985682/converted.gif

[rustic otter]

cute cat

[solid grail]

thanks

[old yarrow]

Could I get some help, my train bricked itself. The train line was working very well but i just found out a train is stuck docking. I cant dismantle and replace it since its stuck docking

[trim vine]

@waxen locust

#screenshots message

Beautiful

May my rocket fuel plant look a quarter as nice

[waxen locust]

Cheers ❤️ she aint fully done yet. But took me 4 days XD not including the first itteration

[old yarrow]

I just tried ramming into it, it got derailed but its still stuck

[sullen gull]

Ficsit counts it 😏

[waxen locust]

Counts what? XD

[sullen gull]

The first iteration lol

But props though... good looking build

[trim vine]

He's being cheeky 😛

[trim vine]

You overclocking them fuel gennies?

[waxen locust]

Nope. 410. All built

[trim vine]

if I DONT overclock, I will have to build ~1915 fuel generators

not looking forward to it

(8k rocket fuel)

[waxen locust]

Bp mk2 saved my bacon tbf. Setup a 1x2 of gennys

[sullen gull]

Only 'sane' way to do it lol

[trim vine]

if you allow mods in your game, the Mk.3 BP designer in phase 1 is a godsend

[waxen locust]

I mean. Back in u8. I built around 1.4k if i remember correctly. And before zoop i had built a 74x68 4 story factory. So i dont think ive been sane for a while XD

[elder apex]

no, something like this https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/8707/name/Ultracompact+Generator+Block+for+600%2Fmin+Rocket+Fuel+(36GW) is the only sane way to deploy fuel gens

[waxen locust]

Tbf. I havnt used mods since u7.

[trim vine]

v fair, there are a few QOL mods I use

Zoop, free foundations, 300 inventory, and early BP designers

[near frost]

helo anyone know how the game runs on the Ryzen 5 5600G graphics?

[sullen gull]

That actually does look kinda neat though not gonna lie.

[waxen locust]

No idea what zoop is.
Free foundations doesnt seem needed. By the time you get refineries. Foundations are never an issue to build.
300 inventory. Just use the depot.
Early bp designers could be helpful. But its nice to have restrictions sometimes

[sullen gull]

Infinite Zoop

[trim vine]

From a technical point, thats beautiful, from my aesthetic point, good god

[elder apex]

it's extremely convenient compared to deploying ridiculously numbers of fuel gens manually

[waxen locust]

When i next get chance. I should share screenshots of my "liquid n' linear" bp. Fully modeled interior, not a flat cube. And big enough space for no awkward turn ins.

[sullen gull]

Oh I totally get it. I just can't bring myself to clip stuff together that bad lol

[elder apex]

if it's the clipping that bothers you, just do the same sort of thing but on the 24x24 or 48x48 blueprint designer and space them out to your satisfaction

[trim vine]

Zoop in two dimensions 😛

Agreed, but early game, god send

again, early game, god send, depots later make it not as useful for sure though

And I do agree, but having been playing this game on and off since before trains were a thing, some things I dont want to "struggle" with

[elder apex]

or spend the time you saved manually building fuel generators to build a structure around it so you don't even see the clipped fuel gens from the blueprint.

[waxen locust]

I mean. I played this game just before update 1. I know the feeling.

But im also the kind of person who likes to be punished for dieing, and think that being able to set the punishment for death per person. Rather than per world is rather cheap XD.

But i do also like the feeling of progression. And bigger and bigger bps. Give that feeling

[trim vine]

I think the lack of a BP designer in early game is so that people can learn basic fundamentals for base building, having droped tons of factories, the BPs let me either design highly efficient and/or highly aesthetic designs, that I dont always want to spend the time belting and powering machines 😛

[waxen locust]

That is fair. But thats why advanced game settings let you skip tiers. So you can go straight to the bp and coal power.

[trim vine]

stares in not knowing how to use that

😛

[zenith pecan]

Advanced game settings is nice for bp construction, I'm not fond of it for actually playing though.

[waxen locust]

Literally. Just either, when youre making the world. Or on the load screen

[waxen locust]

Agreed. If im gonna playthrough a game. Am gonna do from start to finish XD

Also. Mikeal, if the game. Asks me out. One more time. I'm comming to stockholm with roses and a box of chocolates. And one of you is gonna god damn accept them!

[trim vine]

HMmmm?

[waxen locust]

One of the ficsit tips asks if you want to go out sometime. And ive gotten it over 30 times since playing downloading and playing the 1.1 experimental XD

[trim vine]

stop being so sweet?

😛

[waxen locust]

NOT YOU TOO!

[flint umbra]

controller support is in 1.1 update right?

[dense violet]

#announcements

[waxen locust]

I believe its been in since 1.0. But is being refined cureently?

[flint umbra]

it says does not support controller when i connect to it (on steam)

[waxen locust]

Maybe it has to do with controller typr?

[dense violet]

look at announcements, they tell you what the yare working on

and when

[waxen locust]

Havnt tried controller personally

[dense violet]

yeah, I don't hate myself enough to try controllers for this

[waxen locust]

Dude. They are asking for help. You arnt necissarily helping.
Saying "i dont hate myself enough to try controllers" isnt doing anyone favors. You dont know why they wanna use a controller.

[dense violet]

and it doesn't matter? I have given them exactly where to look for their information then stated an opinion.

which is in fact more helpful than your 'I don't know'

[waxen locust]

I didnt say idk

[dense violet]

you gave no helpful facts and a vague guess

[waxen locust]

I said "i believe it was in 1.0, and is being refined currently"

[trim vine]

gently places hand on both y'alls shoulder

is ok

[solid grail]

[waxen locust]

Wait- arnt you also the dude who. When i asked if someone had the numbers of the max ficsonium fuel rods. You said "yes" then told me to do the maths??

XD

[dense violet]

I told you the exact and simple steps to pop out a number very easily.

[waxen locust]

Now this makes sense XD

Bro doesnt actually wanna help people. Just wants to tell people to go away XD

[trim vine]

in fairness, his name does "talk circles to me"

[dense violet]

There was no one else aroudn with the exact number and that was the most direct way to 'help' you.

I wasn't going to use the tool myself. I'm sorry you were too lazy to tap in a few numbers

[waxen locust]

I wasnt being lazy. I was sleep deprived, wanted to know something.

I didnt mind waiting. Thats why i threw it into the either of a public discord server XD

But this does make twice. That you have "offered help" and told both people to go somewhere else XD

[solid grail]

😂 what are you on about man.

[cyan garnet]

Somewhere else in this instance being the announcements channel where things are officially announced?

[waxen locust]

The other day. I wanted to know if someone had the number of how many ficsonium fuel rods you can make. At most. With all the resources on the map. He literally said " yes" "go do the math".

And today. Rather than telling the person. Just linked them to announcements XD

[cyan garnet]

block him and move on then

[waxen locust]

Oh. I find it funny XD

[solid grail]

Maybe he just wanted to teach you how to calculate it yourself, that's why he explained how to calculate it instead of giving the answer.

[waxen locust]

He didnt evem explain how XD, jjst told me use a math site for satisfactory XD

[dense violet]

I mean that's a skill, but mostly I just thought pointing out a very easy way to solve their problem of 'not knowing a thing' was to point out the thing to help them 'know the thing'.

satisfactory tools is an excellent tool

[waxen locust]

Yes. But when it comes to calculating fuel rods. Using only the worlds resources. It cant do that XD

And i thought. I'd turn to the amazing community of this game. And ask for a more. Precise. Answer, but got teased with one and then told to do it myself XD

[fresh wharf]

Hey, whats the input on the Alien Power Augmenter for?

[solid grail]

Its not that deep. 😂 He tried helping by pointing you to the calculator.

[dense violet]

you can boost them with items later on

[fresh wharf]

Ok thanks

[waxen locust]

Didnt think i said it was deep XD

[dense violet]

I think it becomes +30% instead?

[waxen locust]

20%

[zenith pecan]

Solving problems is what this game is about after all, Tbh both @fresh quartz & @green fiber have provided me with significant input on my monster refinery disaster, I'm using that now to rebuild after deciding a teardown was the best idea due to layout.

[dense violet]

well it's is a problem solving game at the core. Just mainly to do with logistics and the possibilities around

[zenith pecan]

All coming together one problem at a time, I'm getting the simplified piping done first, I'll route the belts around that 🙂

[waxen locust]

Normally how i prefer to do it XD

[dense violet]

makes sense. You can slap belts around however you like and they'll work. Lowest priority

[zenith pecan]

The layout was a disaster because I had some refinery groups paired with others that were literally half a mile away, the piping doing that was brittle at best.

[cyan garnet]

Fueling a power augmenter increases the boost from 10% to 30%

[dense violet]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[waxen locust]

Ok. Must have misheard that then. Apologees.

[shut stream]

Reinforced iron plate quickly becomes a regular crafting ingredient doesn't it?

[solid grail]

yes

[dense violet]

ish? it's used for frames and they heavier frames

[zenith pecan]

The difficulties really came to a head because this particular place was trying to process 12k bauxite, all the bauxite refineries were in one group and all the alumina refineries were in another, which made pairing refineries a problem, now they're sort of mixed together to let me really simplify piping.

[dense violet]

but it's not nescesarily involved with tons of other product lines

[fresh wharf]

Do mercer spheres and somersloop become artificial at some point? Because I find it weird that it's so limited

[waxen locust]

I still need to fully wrap my finger around piping. Ive looked at the plumbing manual a few times. And still bearly have a grip on it

[fresh wharf]

Pipe transport liquid. Pump make liquid go up.

[zenith pecan]

I've been learning some painful lessons on how not to do pipeworks 🤣

[waxen locust]

Well. Yes. But actually no.

[dense violet]

yeah I didn't read the whole thread but it did sound like you tried to merge the whole system into one instead of processing groiups of bauxite on their own

[dense violet]

no. You have enough mercer spheres for... so many depots

as for slooping... well... infinite duping you might as well jsut create a creative game

[waxen locust]

Whats in the world is in the world. No more. Tho i wish doggos could find em.

[zenith pecan]

That said though, the most important thing was for me to acknowledge that I straight up fucked up in a major manner and accepted that tearing down to reorganise was the best route rather than keep fighting for "my idea should work" it didn't.

[dense violet]

that's fair 🙂 are all your various refineries still interlinked? or did you break them up into multiple groups?

[zenith pecan]

Pretty much, now there are still five rows with four groups, but the groups are together now instead of on different sides of the facility.

[dense violet]

coool

yeah I just process them per node. much easier

[fresh wharf]

Hey, how do I keep my doggos again? I tamed one then I ran off and never saw it again

[dense violet]

on foundations and wall. pen them in

[zenith pecan]

With the groups being together, each 3>4 has very simplified piping between them, once I complete the alumina connections and belt up, I'm going to hit the on switches again 😄

[dense violet]

gl xD

[solid grail]

It will come back

[fresh wharf]

Thanks

[waxen locust]

I do wish i could keep my doggo's on grass. I made a nice pen for one a while back. Never saw him again

[trim vine]

alt recipes make it 100000% easier, but most everything in this game stacks

Your priorities in this game will always be as follows:

1. Power (keep it segregated from other factories)
2. Aggressive MAM research/Hard Drives
3. Whatever you want

[waxen locust]

The plastic iron plate recipe is so criminally strong XD

[solid grail]

[trim vine]

Coated Iron Plate?

[waxen locust]

Like. 200 ore into 700 plates XD

That might be the name. I forgor- i just know it takes ingots and plastic

[trim vine]

Adhered Iron plates for reinforced iron plates 😛

[waxen locust]

That one is also really good. But not the one i was referring to

[dense violet]

I miss steel coated plates. It was such a silly recipe

[waxen locust]

No screws. No wire. No awkward numbers. Just a sprinkle of rubber XD

[waxen locust]

And as a replacement we got aluminum beams XD such a dumb recipe XD

[trim vine]

Just as a heads up, you can completely elimate both screws and iron rods from every recipe except Rebar ammo 😛

[waxen locust]

Rods arnt too painful imo

[trim vine]

no, but pipe does so much

Solid Steel
Wet Concrete
Molded Pipes

Thats the recipe for success right there

[solid grail]

gonna build my first ever steel factory

[trim vine]

Just gave you the recipe for success

[solid grail]

Haha i saw. Thanks!

[trim vine]

and to add on, industrial encased pipes

[solid grail]

hope i get lucky with my hard drives

[trim vine]

recommend you go hunting before building 😛

will save you quite the headache

[solid grail]

Ye i have 4rn

[waxen locust]

I actually dont bother making steel till i get that solid recipe XD

[trim vine]

samsies

Also, while you would never use it later on

early on fine concrete aint bad neither

[solid grail]

How many recipes are there?

[waxen locust]

If youre in the grassy field. Quickwire stator is also amazing too. Especally on the very southern point. Where the coal and caterium are on the cliff edges.

[trim vine]

maybe around 100ish alt recipes?

[solid grail]

😵 time to get some more hard drives

[waxen locust]

Its been so long since ive done aluminum tho. I gotta figure out what alts are best. Tho im 99.9% sure yall gonna say. Sloppy alumina XD

[trim vine]

There are 118 hard drives in the game

Reminder, you can drop a mam out in the wild, drop in a hard drive, and then delete that mam and it will keep scanning

[solid grail]

Nice, i pick +6 inventory over any recipe right?

[dense violet]

if you want

[trim vine]

additionally, if you get 2 shite recipes, instead of just picking one, or rerolling, its almost as good to just leave it in the library and let it sit, since then they will never reappear in the que

You do not need to pick a recipe when its done scanning

[dense violet]

you get more slots as you go up the tiers