satisfactory

[sturdy mural]

Placing it on a side of a wall / Foundation works??

[prisma thicket]

Worth a try at least

[pearl walrus]

Sick

[prisma thicket]

SUCCESS!

[pearl walrus]

I had to make 100 for pressure conversion cubes🤕

[dense violet]

Make a new save, use settings to unlock tech, try it

[gusty patio]

will do

[placid sand]

uhm, can someone explain to me how i can use the new blueprint feature of them connecting automatically? i placed two prints down for some belt highway, hooked them up and everything and then tried to place a third one with the blueprint auto connect build mode but its not building any power lines or belts

[dense violet]

Put them against a wall

[sturdy mural]

Well that's a nice scare

[jovial oracle]

Man, coal generator fluids sure do take some time to fill up when ones goes out.

[dense violet]

generally not?

[robust nymph]

I'm making a factory right now that makes 120 of them along with 120 cooling systems :p

half of each going to supercomputers, for 60/m supercomputers (sloops)

[sage wind]

We need smaller chests CSS

[robust nymph]

smaller than the personal storage box?

[sage wind]

Smaller than Storage Container

With belt inputs

[robust nymph]

right

why? XD

[sage wind]

Manifold buffers don't work well when they are this large

[robust nymph]

if your manifold can't keep up your belt either isn't high enough throughput or you're not feeding it enough items

[sage wind]

I'm building a mall type thing and I'm using one iron manifold to make multiple parts

But because the SCs are so large, it takes ages for them to fill up

Every other factory game lets you limit input

[robust nymph]

it takes a while for a manifold (especially long ones) to ramp up, you can inject in the middle, or in multiple places, to lessen that a bit

[reef basin]

in SF you limit input by having machines be the limitation

[robust nymph]

^^

[reef basin]

you don't really need any containers in manifolds

[sage wind]

It's a mall

The output is each container

[reef basin]

mall is just production to container

or ideally into depot

doesn't need any buffering

[robust nymph]

if your machines are not getting the items they need, outside of your manifold's ramping phase, you're not feeding the manifold enough items

[robust nymph]

and?

is the total consumption of the machines more than you are feeding the manifold?

[sage wind]

#screenshots message

Look here, I have 1 iron line, that makes multiple parts

But because the chests are so large, the downstream parts are taking a while to make

[robust nymph]

in what world is that a large manifold

[reef basin]

that means you don't have enough resources to feed all the machines

[robust nymph]

that is not an issue related to the chest, it means you're not providing enough resources

you should not be feeding the manifold less than your machines consume

[sage wind]

It doesn't matter how much input I have

[reef basin]

it does

[sage wind]

Each splitter removes half of said input

[reef basin]

if you don't have enough, you will run into your issue

[sage wind]

Hence the manifold relies on things filling up

Including output containers

[reef basin]

sure, but only the machine needs to fill up

[robust nymph]

and if you do feed it enough, the size of the output destination doesn't matter, the machines will fill up and start passing more onto the next (but this doesn't happen when you don't feed enough resources)

[sage wind]

And the output chest

[timid rune]

splitter outputs will backup if downstream machine rate is less than half

[reef basin]

output chest is behind the machine

[sage wind]

Ohhh

[reef basin]

so it's limited by the machine speed

[dense violet]

what would a manifold buffer do even if small?

[sage wind]

It doesn't matter what's after the first machine

[robust nymph]

yeah

[sage wind]

I see

[reef basin]

yeah

because the machine itself is a limitation

[robust nymph]

as long as you provide enough items for all the machines

[reef basin]

it can only craft so fast, so it can only eat the amount it needs for crafting

[sage wind]

yeah I getcha now

Mb

[robust nymph]

@sage wind , do me a favor, add up all the inputs of the machines and check how much is entering your manifold

[sage wind]

I have Iron Pipes using 100/m that's probably the culprit

I think my original thought was, if the downstream chest fills up, then the iron pipes will stop taking iron from the manifold

So if the chest was smaller, that would happen faster

[robust nymph]

depends, again, how much is the total consumption, and how much are you feeding it?

[sage wind]

I don't need 50 stacks of iron pipes in my depot

[robust nymph]

eventually, sure, but the moment you take some out it will start the issue all over again if there is not enough input

[reef basin]

generally people overflow things to sink, so you produce all the time

[robust nymph]

^^

[sage wind]

I'd rather have full chests of materials ready for building whenever and the machines can idle, allowing others to ramp up when needed

[reef basin]

I'd rather have production of all materials happening all the time, no matter what do I have/not have in storage

[robust nymph]

the others can stay ramped up if you just feed them enough items

[reef basin]

have you played Factorio before?

[robust nymph]

your production chains should not be relying on other production chains NOT running, that will cause you lots of issues

[sage wind]

This is just for a mall, I would not follow this pattern anywhere else

I think it makes sense here

[reef basin]

well even for mall

you don't want to come there to see empty box, because you've took something else from the mall and it wasn't producing the item you wanted, because other item was eating all the materials

and tbh practically all production is "for the mall", sooner or later

[ashen belfry]

Dimensional depots kinda made big malls useless. Especially later on. And early on just some production on the side should be enough

[robust nymph]

say, (picking random items) you need pipes. you take out pipes, then find you need lots of rotors you take your rotors, then find you need even more pipes. you go back to your mall, then find that you're not making pipes because your rotor factory is earlier in the chain

[sage wind]

As long as pipes + rotors < 240 iron/minute I'm fine

[robust nymph]

now you're stuck waiting until your rotors fill up before you even START producing pipes

[robust nymph]

right and it looks like they're not

[sage wind]

The idea is eventual efficiency, which is kind of the principle manifolds are built on anyway

[robust nymph]

that's exactly why you're having problems with your manifold

[reef basin]

no, not really

[mortal ginkgo]

you can always feed the machines manually before kickstarting the manifold.

I do that for my coal gens

[robust nymph]

manifolds are built with the idea that you feed them enough items

[robust nymph]

the issue here is that he feeds his manifold less items than it needs

that won't help him

[reef basin]

if I need to make 10/min for a mall, I want it to always be 10/min, no matter what other items in the mall are/aren't available

[mortal ginkgo]

well thats a big no no. he can underclock his producers I guess

[robust nymph]

Or, like I've said 50 times in this convo: just feed your manifold an adequate amount of items

[gaunt ivy]

WTF Someone dressed up as Pioneer for the 2025 Konopiště Open Disc Golf Tourney. It's hilarious. Looks good tho

[reef basin]

I mean you can obviously do whatever you want, we get what you're talking about and what your idea is, but we're just saying that it's not a good idea (in our opinions)

[sage wind]

I feel like my point is being missed, it makes perfect sense to me. I understand what you're saying, your solution is definitely better/more efficient, but this is a simple and elegant solution to this problem (if chests were smaller)

[mortal ginkgo]

just dedicate your starter zone veins to your mall

[reef basin]

no, your point isn't missed 🙂

[robust nymph]

do you want to wait for an item because another item is being produced, consuming the resources the item you want needs?

[mortal ginkgo]

this game does not allow Container Slot Blocking so you need to "endure" until a container fills up.

you can also just momentarily provide good enough of materials until containers get full and reduce it to your ideal state

[reef basin]

in the end, your "problem" is that you are not feeding it enough resources, be it on purpose or not, whatever reason you have for it

which has a simple and elegant solution "get more resources" 🙂

[reef basin]

you can easily block the slots with some other item

[mortal ginkgo]

mk2 miner + overclock it = cuteness

[reef basin]

but why would you do that?

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean yeah but I am not suggesting "work arounds"

because it doesnt need it in the end as veins are infinite 😄

just provide enough resources, there is abundant in this game

[reef basin]

yeah, the "I'm gona save resources" approach sounds very much like Factorio approach

which just isn't how Satisfactory is played

[sage wind]

It's two solutions to the same problem, one requires the devs implement a feature, the other requires me getting another iron line 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

or DSP with max difficulty x3

[reef basin]

the feature most likely won't be implemented, because it doesn't make much sense in the context and meta of the game

[sage wind]

I am surprised because every other factory game has it

[robust nymph]

well, I think which of these two is more achievable

[reef basin]

if you really want to, you can just block the slots with a different item and call it a day, but I'd rather recommend looking into changing your mindset around the game

[robust nymph]

most other factory games have limited resources.

Why would this game need to be like the rest?

[sage wind]

They would be pulled out and block the depot

[mortal ginkgo]

Logistics is a key part of the game, even a puzzle on its own unlike other games where veins can end.

This game also does not let you make buildings prepared.

Again, it handles it differently because veins are infinite

[reef basin]

"every" other factory game has a reason for it (usually limited resources)

[robust nymph]

split the line beforehand into the depot, don't give your box an output

solved

[reef basin]

or just... provide enough resources

[robust nymph]

yeah XD

[reef basin]

look, we get your approach (you're not the first one to come here with this), it's just not how the game is played. You're trying to do weird things, so expect the game to not be as friendly. And yes, the classic "nothing is wrong" applies, but there's some sort of game design that the game follows and that approach is usually considered "good"

[last jungle]

guys do i try getting rebar gun or rifle

[reef basin]

your call

[last jungle]

keyword: try

[sage wind]

Could also remove the chest and go straigh to depot

That's just 2 stacks atm

With max upgrades that could work nice

[mortal ginkgo]

you get rebar gun earlier than rifle and rebar gun does NOT lose its usefulness when you get rifle.

[robust nymph]

yeah, if you decide to go against the game design, don't complain when you face problems/challenges @sage wind

[last jungle]

with the special rebars?

like scatter?

or explosive idk

[mortal ginkgo]

you could say that. explosive rebar is big damage, scatter is shotgun etc

even the regular rebar is good damage

[last jungle]

ok thx

[mortal ginkgo]

so they are not replacements of each other

[reef basin]

generally it's recommended to keep the buffers in front of your depots

[mortal ginkgo]

also guys I got a problem. I underestimated how big the size of a simple regular factory size becomes when you want to decorate it...

I am in big trouble.

[last jungle]

undecorate it

[mortal ginkgo]

you are not a gamer if you want to underperform

you are not gaming, change your nickname bro

you no gamer.

[last jungle]

idk what to change it to

this is best i got

[mortal ginkgo]

I didn't tell you to change it. It is a joke.

Nickname can be anything.

Again. My problem persists. Q_Q

[last jungle]

is chainsaw still good if im tryna go for coal rn?

[mortal ginkgo]

coal is for automating fuel. it will always be better than gathering wood and such

[last jungle]

i guess yea

also one advantage of biofuel is simplicity

[mortal ginkgo]

biofuel is not simple compared to coal, like, at all.

[last jungle]

u dont need to set up pipes and stuff but late game that might matter less

why biofuel not simple?

[mortal ginkgo]

there is no advantage of biofuel over coal

[last jungle]

oh ok

good to know ig

[mortal ginkgo]

brother, you eventually need to work with pipes etc. game is meant to get complicated.

you cant farm biofuel forever and manually putting fuel

Coal is there to train you about pipes and such

[last jungle]

oooh ok

[mortal ginkgo]

the biofuel power you make is a joke when compared to other generators

[robust nymph]

pronouns note is a bit wild

[spring swift]

I just built my first coal plant, makes life so much easier not having to run around cutting down a bunch of trees and wasting time making biofuel.

[last jungle]

?

[robust nymph]

"no pride rights here"

[last jungle]

time to delete account

real

[mortal ginkgo]

this is hugely off topic and doesn't belong here

[last jungle]

yea prob

idk i should prob just delete it

ez

[mortal ginkgo]

you shouldn't let other people to simply tell you what to do (unless you were sarcastic)

[last jungle]

i changed it cuz i did feel like it was pointless

also i just learned u can jump over a 2m wall

like 2 1m walls stacked

[sturdy mural]

Wait till you get the blade runners

[last jungle]

yea im tryna

[mortal ginkgo]

I slightly dislike blade runners (ultra massive hot take). It makes the character a bit floaty.

[last jungle]

i have like 10 stacks of caterium but no quartz 😭

almost no quartz

[sturdy mural]

Isn't yhat a plus if you're exploring? A bit more speed + air when jumping far

[sturdy mural]

You should be able to scan for it

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah but it also makes your character act as if its on the moon

[last jungle]

yea but its like 1km away lol

i do have tractor but the terrain around my base is like

[sturdy mural]

What is it?
Basic spawn?

[last jungle]

really rough

yea spawn 1

[sturdy mural]

Forest?

[zenith pecan]

Back to digging tunnels again 😄

[merry kettle]

You don't need water. This isn't a huge advantage, but it is -an- advantage.

[sturdy mural]

Nah its not that bad then

• remember that you can just pave a road if you need

[last jungle]

pave a road?

what

[mortal ginkgo]

I am very sorry but. You can't be any more wrong.

[sturdy mural]

Ye, just slap a bunch of Foundations

[last jungle]

ohhh like that

[sturdy mural]

it IS an advantage
You don't need to haul water just because tou need to power a freighter

[mortal ginkgo]

Coal in Starter Zones got water closeby. My current pipeline is only 10 foundations long.

[merry kettle]

Additionally, with strategic early-game usage of somersloops you can skip coal entirely and go straight to fuel, which -also- doesn't require water.

[last jungle]

should i have rushed the mam unlock for smart splitters lol

cuz i did like 1 day ago

[sturdy mural]

I mean you can't softlock yourself with it so you're fine? Might be limited on production ability

[mortal ginkgo]

Telling someone to "not go for coal because water is bad" is a terrible advice. Coal is there to teach people how to use pipes in the first place.

I mean there are people who finished the game without producing any fuel for generators as they used alien power plants and geothermal.

I guess "making power is bad" then. I kek. Sorry but, very kek worthy take you guys have.

[last jungle]

whats kek

[mortal ginkgo]

a silly laughing-face making dog

[last jungle]

lizard doggo real

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats a kek worthy face it has, so yes.

[sturdy mural]

Yes the pipe advice is bad
But that doesn't make biofuel gens useless

[merry kettle]

I didn't say not to go for coal because water is bad. I said that biofuel has an advantage over coal in that it doesn't require water. At this point, having built many power plants of every kind, I skip coal.

[mortal ginkgo]

Tell me the exact place that I said biofuel is useless.

[merry kettle]

If it's your first playthrough coal is worth pursuing as a learning experience.

[last jungle]

erm

its ok tho cuz its my first playthrough and im really new still

[mortal ginkgo]

That is not how "useless" works.

[sturdy mural]

Wait i might've misread
Dang
My bad

[merry kettle]

But if it's your tenth, just go ahead and skip coal.

[robust nymph]

coal has the bigger advantage in that it can be automated?

[last jungle]

i think

cuz u need to put resources for biofuel and idk about other fuels

[mortal ginkgo]

Defending biofuel is madness for people that are new to the game.

Biofuel got uses of itself. But saying "you dont need to go for coal because of biofuel's existence" is literally kek worthy wild.

[dense violet]

it's useful, but not critical early on

[mortal ginkgo]

Coal is AUTOMATED. Hello? Hi? Anyone there?

[robust nymph]

sure biofuel HAS an advantage because it doesn't need water, but I think the posibility of automation from coal far outweighs that

[merry kettle]

Yeah, sure. And the time it takes to get coal set up exceeds the amount of time necessary to gather fuel.

[robust nymph]

it really doesn't

coal takes like no time to set up

[last jungle]

i like exploring technical elements so ig ill find out

bro why is the nearest coal i have prob on a cliff

lookout tower abuse go

[robust nymph]

and setting up 2.5x the amount of biofuel burners doesn't sound any quicker

[merry kettle]

Why would you build that much power?

[mortal ginkgo]

You are completely missing the point of coal generators so I will repeat it one more time.

Coal is there as a no-sink-needed fuel resource that TEACHES about pipes and provides AUTOMATED fair amount of power for NEWCOMERS.

If you are going to defend yourself with "oh it takes time to setup", I can tell you that some people finished the game without generating a single fuel by any means by using Sloops for Alien Power etc.

[robust nymph]

to bridge the gap to fuel?

[merry kettle]

"If it's your first playthrough coal is worth pursuing as a learning experience."

I literally agreed with that.

[robust nymph]

or are you gonna tell me you manual craft everything for a fuel plant

[merry kettle]

The only thing I am disagreeing with here is the assertion that biofuel has no advantages over coal.

[mortal ginkgo]

Ignoring the rest is what makes you a kek worthy individual.

[last jungle]

why am i hearing spitter noises near coal bro stop camping 😭😭

[robust nymph]

it has A advantage sure, but the disadvantages are far larger

[last jungle]

i hate spitters

[mortal ginkgo]

You are saying "it got advantages over coal" but completely ignoring the advantages of Coal

That completely overrides biofuel.

[last jungle]

he prob means like

[mortal ginkgo]

It is AUTOMATED.

[robust nymph]

advantages: no water

disadvantages:
Manual fuel gathering
2.5x the amount of generators for the same power

[last jungle]

wait a coal gen makes like 52.5w?

37.5*

[mortal ginkgo]

each coal gen makes 75MW

[robust nymph]

75, and biomass burners make 30

[last jungle]

thats like 5x a biofuel i think

oh nvm

[dense violet]

3.5

[robust nymph]

?

[dense violet]

but also, they burn forever

[last jungle]

xeno basher satisfactory vs boston basher tf2

[robust nymph]

what? 2.5x30=75

[last jungle]

battle of bashers

[robust nymph]

3.5x30=105

[merry kettle]

Play the way you want to play, but once you have the game down, personally, I find coal power to just slow me down.

[robust nymph]

crazy

[dense violet]

coal power is your first step out of hte pre tutorial

[mortal ginkgo]

I have 16 Coal Gens and 1.2GW is so insane that defending biofuel "because it takes time to setup" is just ultra wild kek worthy take.

You do you but hell, thats such a bad take.

I mean imagine saying "it takes time to setup" when the things later on in game that takes time to setup.

It is almost like the game is about making a factory that satisfies you which needs time to setup.

Who could have guessed that we need to play the game.

You are obviously an experienced gamer that can bypass Coal.

Good for you. But suggesting biofuel over coal is just wrong.

[dense violet]

that is almost the hotest take I've heard on this server

[last jungle]

bro the black girrafe hippo thing just scared the hell out of me

[timid rune]

My nuclear is taking days

if not a week+ hah

[dense violet]

for?

[timid rune]

but then I am fairly ambitious with it

[merry kettle]

Things I build later in the game, I build to keep. I have no use for the coal plant once fuel is up and running.

[dense violet]

oh just building it. yeah can take a while

[pearl walrus]

Ive been on mine for 1.5 montgs now lol

[robust nymph]

on top of that: with the amount of biomass gens you need to make the same amount of power I think it's safe to assume you need more time to set that up than coal

[timid rune]

decorating and building my nuclear plant complex

[robust nymph]

how many biomass burners do you usually make

[merry kettle]

4-6.

[dense violet]

if anything you build before you unlock everything still functions for your own goals post phase 5 that's super weird

[last jungle]

also i found a pure caterium node that i think needs a nobelisk to place miners on

[robust nymph]

do you manual craft everything you need for fuel? XD

no way you are trying to start fuel on 120-180 MW of power

[last jungle]

like not portable, like the mk1,mk2,mk3

[timid rune]

fused quickwire goes brrr

[merry kettle]

Nope, somersloops. I grab the fuel supplies running around grabbing the nearby sloops

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, this is just another wrong take.

Someone can actually needs a coal setup if they get a fuse break down due to bad planning (which any player can do).

You NEED the simplest power to kickstart if things go wrong in the advanced stages of game.

[timid rune]

time to unlock pure caterium and fused quickwire!

[robust nymph]

do you make a bigger fuel plant after making a small one?

[merry kettle]

Yep.

[robust nymph]

because the fuel plant you can make that way has to be tiny at best

[timid rune]

I took down my coal power

[pearl walrus]

Just be a good planner

[timid rune]

because it wasn't worth it at this point

[merry kettle]

Fuel gets built incrementally.

[robust nymph]

that's gonna cost you more time than just making a coal plant so you can make a big one right away

[last jungle]

fused quickwire?

what that

[pearl walrus]

Im building 1.6tw with no failsafes🤙

[mortal ginkgo]

I found the Elden Ring player that comments 500 times at Reddit "just don't get hit" per day.

[robust nymph]

coal plant with a couple of batteries and you can make a 200+ GW fuel plant easily

[last jungle]

i swear to god if thats an alpha

[pearl walrus]

Ye

[timid rune]

caterium ingot + a ton of copper ingot = a godly ton of quickwire

[robust nymph]

quickwire made from caterium and copper instead of just caterium

[last jungle]

THATS AN ALPHA GODDAM IT

[timid rune]

I am planning for 1.05 TW atm

[merry kettle]

It really doesn't; if you have all the supplies you need to build a massive fuel plant before you build it, you've been letting stuff idle. Which is fine, again, play the way you want to play.

[pearl walrus]

Coql power wont help me kickstart A 50 000MW fuel supply

[timid rune]

maybe next save I will go for 1.5+ TW nuclear

[robust nymph]

batteries.

[last jungle]

that an alternate recipe or a regular item/recipe

[timid rune]

alt

[robust nymph]

make a small battery pack, charge them, boom, enough to kickstart your plant

[pearl walrus]

I might end up switching some recipies end gp for 1.9 but rn im happy with 1.6

[timid rune]

oh nice

[robust nymph]

"before you build it" how else? gonna gather supplies for the fuel plant after you've built the fuel plant?

[last jungle]

alr here i go attack the alpha spitter

[merry kettle]

Incrementally.

[last jungle]

that was suspicously ez lol

pure coal heck yea

[robust nymph]

just do it all at once

if time is really your biggest concern, that will save you a lot more time than skipping the coal plant

[timid rune]

eventually you will need more power than manually running around refuelling biofuel

[mortal ginkgo]

Making power is a waste of setup and time too. You can finish the game with only Somersloop Power.

Maybe play the game better.

[last jungle]

like the alien power augmenter things?

[merry kettle]

I tried that in a run, I don't recommend it, lol

[mortal ginkgo]

THIS IS INSANE. YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO SPENT TIME TO SETUP POWER SYSTEMS!

[pearl walrus]

How much power is that

[mortal ginkgo]

[reef basin]

making somersloop power is a waste of time
you can finish the game with only non-sloop power

[last jungle]

[merry kettle]

I'm not asking people to do anything.

[robust nymph]

500+ 10% of total per power amp

550 for 1, 1200 for 2, 1950 for 3, and so on

[sage wind]

Can you manually craft alternate recipes?

[robust nymph]

no

[last jungle]

u need to find and scan hard drives to get them

[robust nymph]

recommending*

[merry kettle]

I'd suggest -trying- it, at least once, but, again, play the way you want to play.

[last jungle]

do u guys use toggle sprint or hold sprint

[pearl walrus]

Wait each amp gives you 10%? I thiught each amp would give you 500 more instead of exponentially increqsibg power boost

[sage wind]

I didn't mean could you acquire new alternate recipes without a hard drive, I meant can use the alternate recipes at a crafting bench

[last jungle]

idk

[reef basin]

no you can't

[robust nymph]

the bonus gets added up, it doesn't multiply other bonuses. 3 give you +30%, not +33.1%

[pearl walrus]

Oh ok, still insane what

[merry kettle]

+30%, plus the 1500 power each generates.

[robust nymph]

for 3 power amps this would mean 1500*1.3=1950 TOTAL

[merry kettle]

Er, they all generate, 500 each

[pearl walrus]

Thats crazy wtf

How many somersloops exist,: how many augmenters can one build?

[last jungle]

me when someone gets 2,147,483,647 from one augmenter

[robust nymph]

it's pretty nice, but expensive too. 10 sloops per power aug

[last jungle]

so u can get 10

[dense violet]

!wikisearch somersloop

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=somersloop

[last jungle]

wiki says theres like 105 pwoer sloops

[merry kettle]

It takes a while to collect the 102 sloops you'd need

[pearl walrus]

I mean 100%boost is worth it

[last jungle]

thats doubling i think

[pearl walrus]

Guess im going for 3.8tw then lol

[merry kettle]

They're scattered across the entire map

[robust nymph]

I find that usually I have more than enough power so I'm much better off using them to double expensive items

[last jungle]

also who thought that getting 100 reinforced plates for 3 coupons is balanced

[pearl walrus]

Ye maybe if I wanna go crazy later. For now ill just go for funny number

[mortal ginkgo]

stonks bro

[jovial oracle]

I finally made a decent looking glass factory.

[reef basin]

why wouldn't it be?

[last jungle]

cuz u can automate coupons much more easily

[merry kettle]

Coupons get progressively harder to get

[robust nymph]

early game that could be nice if you are in desperate need of plates

[last jungle]

yea i think

[reef basin]

and cost of coupons scales exponentially

[last jungle]

i hate how universal rotors are

[mortal ginkgo]

brother you are at the start of the game

[last jungle]

fair enough

[robust nymph]

they're really not

[last jungle]

whats a hatcher

[dense violet]

a friend

[merry kettle]

Who sends little friends to hug you

[robust nymph]

they're needed for like motors and that's about it

[mortal ginkgo]

friendly monster

[dense violet]

they only open up to people they are close to

[robust nymph]

oh smart plating

[last jungle]

spore flower ripoff real

[fresh wharf]

What are the known limits to how many machines I can have?

[last jungle]

why does this weird purple jungle biome have so many hogs

[fresh wharf]

Like per example belt speed etc

[reef basin]

theoretically infinite

you can build as much as your PC can handle

[fresh wharf]

But then the problem of miners not producing fast enough or belts not being fast enough come in

[merry kettle]

~2.1 million is the maximum without fiddling with the game to increase the Unreal object limit.

[reef basin]

that's where you do math

[dense violet]

for most of the game your limiter on how much you can mine will be your belts

[fresh wharf]

I'll stick with infinite thanks

[reef basin]

the whole game is about reading and using numbers you see. If you don't like that, I'd recommend you different games 😉

[fresh wharf]

Yeah but that's easy I just compare production to needs
I don't want to calculate how many functioning machines I can fit in a world

Just thought the math was already done lol

[reef basin]

in a world? you'll be limited by your PC, or game engine, whichever gives up first

[fresh wharf]

Functioning too
By functioning I mean producing

[reef basin]

yeah, same answer

[dense violet]

unless your computer is fairly old it'll handle most any rasonable world build

[reef basin]

full world builds are not reasonable though 😛

[last jungle]

also i found out i have a sam node near my base

[dense violet]

may just have to crank down the grahpics

[fresh wharf]

So an mk3 miner can produce as much as like a world amount of machines needs?

[reef basin]

you can't realistically run out of resources - that's our point

[last jungle]

sadly its a really deep hole to get down to and i dont have parachute and stuff

[fresh wharf]

Oh, true

But how many machines can you get producing all at once

[reef basin]

if you just keep building and building, eventually either the game becomes unplayable due to your PC not handling it, or the engine crashes

[dense violet]

mk3 on pure node will producer 1200 ore pm over clocked

[last jungle]

is there a way to get down deep holes without parachute?

and use of u-jelly pad?

[dense violet]

laders, ramps, jumping down with blade runners

[reef basin]

I keep answering this, nothing changed about the answer since you started asking it 😛

[fresh wharf]

Just 1200 machines this is so disappointing 😞

[robust nymph]

it's not an answerable question. it depends on what you are making, even if you ignore the technical limitations of your pc and/or the game engine

[reef basin]

1200 ore/min doesn't equal 1200 machines

[robust nymph]

there are more than one singular node on the map

[dense violet]

have you actually played the game yet? it's 1200 ore per min.

[robust nymph]

also, I don't know any recipes using 1 item /m

[fresh wharf]

No idea either

[reef basin]

have you heard of "clock speed" yet? 😛

there's more nodes, more recipes, you can't just generalise it like that

your question cannot be reasonably answered

[robust nymph]

well, yeah, I guess, but then you could also feed 12k machines on 1.2k items/m

[reef basin]

well clock speed is capped at 1%, so not sure

[robust nymph]

ah fair

never clocked anything that low, didn't know there was a minimum

[last jungle]

dude the random alpha hog near my base had me CHUGGING paleberries lol

[dense violet]

research medical inhalers.

[last jungle]

idk if a xeno-basher can kill them well but im not willing to find out

[dense violet]

in fact research a ton of hte MAM stuff. Survival and exploration gear

[last jungle]

stuff like blade runners and rifle/rebar gun?

[dense violet]

yup

[robust nymph]

just to give you an idea: my current world, which I would consider mid-game at best (working on RCU, cooling sytems, and super computers) has 102k objects in it

that includes foundations etc though

[last jungle]

whats rcu

[dense violet]

a later game item

[robust nymph]

radio control unit

[robust nymph]

midgame

imo

[last jungle]

ig ill find out when i get there

[robust nymph]

that includes 147 extractors (combination of miners, water pumps, oil pumps, etc), 1311 machines (constructors, assemblers, refineries, etc)

@fresh wharf

[last jungle]

how do i get at least like 75 quartz without having to travel like 1 km

[dense violet]

be lucky? gotta explore

[last jungle]

ok

[dense violet]

exploring and expanding are core parts of the game 🙂

zip line, blade runners, upgraded basher, gun, inhalers. All very helpful

sprint slide jump for very fast travel

[last jungle]

do gas masks protect from spore flower gas?

[dense violet]

yup

[pearl walrus]

Hypertube launchers

[last jungle]

tf just beeped 2 times in my house

[pearl walrus]

Me im in your walls

[last jungle]

sus

[dense violet]

amongus.gif

[last jungle]

how do i adjust ladder height

[dense violet]

point your cursor in the direciton

[last jungle]

like i wanna make it taller

[dense violet]

when items need multiple clicks to place, it means you can alter them between clicks

for this example you can look up or down to extend them

[last jungle]

ohh

[dense violet]

a lot of objects can be adjusted mid build

[last jungle]

kinda like lifts ok

[dense violet]

you know how to Zoop right?

[last jungle]

ik its a build mode

[dense violet]

yup

how about middle mouse button on an object to eyedrop it to build?

[last jungle]

thats whats zooping does

didnt know that

[dense violet]

no, eyedropping an object means you can start building it

makes it fast to build

[last jungle]

ohh

[dense violet]

also, if you hold E while building an object it brings up a radial menu of similar objects

means you can condense your hot bar a lot

[last jungle]

cool

cuz i cant stack ladders downwards (i cant see the bottom) i just place them downwards

[dense violet]

if you build a ladder against a wall you should be able to extend it down if there's space

at least I seem to remember that. Been a bit.

could always aim at the bottom and build up?

[last jungle]

do i put screenshots in # screenshots?

or here if its related

[dense violet]

can't put images here

[last jungle]

ok

[dense violet]

if you want ot discuss the images #design-and-architecture is a good place where you can post in chat

[last jungle]

cuz i wanna show u my situation

[dense violet]

#screenshots

[last jungle]

whatever i just sent

[dense violet]

that's quite deep, can't click a ladder at the bottom and build down more?

[last jungle]

yea i did that

[dense violet]

careful of the death border

[last jungle]

wait

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533 if you want to discuss an issue or help with something

[last jungle]

why does it let me stretch now

[dense violet]

you leveled up

[last jungle]

it let me stretch the ladder now

[dense violet]

obvs

[last jungle]

theres a sam node down there, why would there be daeth border?

ik cuz i fell down there while running from a alpha hog

[dense violet]

the death border will be down tehre at some point 🙂

[last jungle]

bruh

sent a screenshot of the deeper pov

thats a sam node i think

and a stinger

[dense violet]

sounds about right

[last jungle]

do death borders affect mobs?

[robust nymph]

dunno, but if you manage to get a mob to a death border I think the mob is not an issue anymore anyway

[last jungle]

yea

[dense violet]

don't know! but they don't spawn under it

probably not

[last jungle]

well i think the y level there is generally equal

[robust nymph]

not in a place where there is a resource node

[last jungle]

so its prob not a death border

[robust nymph]

it's further down

[dense violet]

if there's a node, no 🙂

[last jungle]

is sam useful?

[dense violet]

but maybe a short ways under

[robust nymph]

yes

every resource is useful

[dense violet]

later mostly. But mine a few hundred and bring it back with you for study

[last jungle]

theres a spore flower

that the screenshot sadly didnt supply

[cunning merlin]

Plus, you can throw in your own trash, but you don’t want from your inventory or the dimensional depot if you have a dimensional depot downloader mod installed

[dense violet]

better kill it with bombs!

[last jungle]

i dont have bombs rn but i dont think i have enough sulfur to research

[peak wasp]

Is there a point to automating black powder?

[last jungle]

ammo ig

[dense violet]

ammunition on demand

[last jungle]

explosive rebar/rifle ammo

[peak wasp]

Jst that?

[dense violet]

I mean that's useful

[gusty patio]

so i am wanting a huge conveyor belt line coming into the factory, anyone got inspo on how to make it look nice

[robust nymph]

Downside of building next to a big cliff

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

#design-and-architecture 😛 almost like there's a chat you can post images for that 😛

[peak wasp]

I was kinda expecting it to have more of a use tbh

[dense violet]

many types of ammo and explosisves to use while exploring

[gusty patio]

yeah but thats so generic, im looking for someone to maybe refer to a post in there

[dense violet]

too broad a question 🙂

[last jungle]

where do i make black powder

[robust nymph]

how many? huge can be a singular very long one, or 30 ones

[robust nymph]

look for it yourself XD

[dense violet]

look at your codex , it'll tell you

[last jungle]

ok

[dense violet]

or wiki

[last jungle]

equipment workshop of all things??

[gusty patio]

i mean its not that hard of an ask really lol if someone just happens to be next to theirs

[last jungle]

bro why equipment workshop

[dense violet]

you can automate it with machines too

[last jungle]

assembler i saw

bro how do i make plastic

[dense violet]

xD look at your codex

[last jungle]

this game really looking like minecraft create rn

[gusty patio]

i think youll find create lookin like this hahah

[robust nymph]

go to #design-and-architecture , open the serachbar, limit the search to being in that channel, having an image, and containing the word "belt"

It's easier for you to ask us, it's easier for us if you look yourself

[last jungle]

i dont have plastic what mam tree is it

[gusty patio]

its not if i dont know that exists

[robust nymph]

well, now you do

also you've been on discord for 10 years, there is no way you don't, come on

[hard ivy]

not a mam tree

[last jungle]

its a milestone?

like tier 5 or smth i think

[dense violet]

Hub tiers

maybe 4? can use hte wiki if you want spoilers

[last jungle]

i have t4 unlocked its not there

[hard ivy]

it's 5

[last jungle]

ok

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message should I rebuild the right side so there's not a giant gap between sets of machines?

[dense violet]

if it's that important for you? I'd just accept it as learning design and planning for next time

besides, if you ever want ot design some archtecture, leaving space between sections is really useful

[sudden pumice]

hi, just started.
in early game, is there a way to automate crafting ? like ore to ignot ?

[dense violet]

smelters

[prisma thicket]

Yes there is, once you unlock smelters

[dense violet]

just as a thing, I would treat the game until you unlock coal power, as a pre tutorial. Just plug away and learn 🙂

[sudden pumice]

yeah im kinda doing the story and the initial objectives, currently upgrading hub to 5 XD

[dense violet]

don't forget to research stuff in the MAM, it's very important

[last jungle]

#screenshots i made a sisyphus container

[sudden pumice]

whats MAM ? sorry ...

[last jungle]

molecular analysis machine

[dense violet]

a small building you can research things in

you unlock it pretty early. It'll be in your 'special' tab in your build menu

[sudden pumice]

ok, I dont have it yet

I think

[last jungle]

mam can unlock a lot of things

[prisma thicket]

Don't need to apologize, you're still learning

[dense violet]

if you're the type of person who will build your own projects after you finish all the phases you can treat the whole game as a tutorial that's very well laid out 🙂

[prisma thicket]

You'll be able to unlock the MAM once you complete HUB upgrade 6, it will be the Field Research Milestone.

[dense violet]

experiment and figure out how you like things

[whole zinc]

i just watched a lets game it out video and i want to cry

[dense violet]

yeah xD

[last jungle]

[prisma thicket]

Lol Josh brought many of us to this game, for many different reasons I'm sure

[dense violet]

personally though my advice is steering clear from how to vids for most things. Except maybe train signals

[last jungle]

i have spoiled some parts of the game like sam to myself

cuz i dont have sam as an item rn, still working on it

[whole zinc]

yep lmaoo

wait i have a question

[mortal ginkgo]

We all could learn alot from Josh. Allegedly.

[whole zinc]

what actually happens if u just continuously craft on the crafting bench

i just always stopped before it got super red

[whole zinc]

his lack of sense of cleanliness is going to kill meeee

[hard ivy]

nothing

[prisma thicket]

Nothing, it turns yellow like it's heating up, but otherwise nothing

[whole zinc]

so i can just

continue hitting

it will just make hissing sounds, make it look like its going to explode but never going to stop me or anything?

oh damn thats nice to know

[dense violet]

if you tap the space bar it'll jsut keep making things

[prisma thicket]

As long as you have materials to craft your selected recipe, you can just afk hand craft stuff.

[mortal ginkgo]

if you go on for too long it uninstalls game

[dense violet]

i wish

[whole zinc]

oh 😦

[whole zinc]

ohh okok thankss

[mortal ginkgo]

happens to best of us 😔

[whole zinc]

mhm would be very sad

do u guys suggest

its better to handcraft the smart plating for the phase 1 of the space elevator? or automate it

[hard ivy]

you can't "hand" craft it, but you can handfeed 1 assembler and be done with it faster than you can automate it

[whole zinc]

ahh alright

when did u guys create ur first ever

proper factory? im still disorganized

[sudden pumice]

where is the origin of my power ?
i have power lines, but nothing to feed them power

[robust nymph]

generally after I get coal power

[robust nymph]

biomass burner?

[hard ivy]

tier 5-ish

[whole zinc]

ahh icic lmao then im too early for it lmao

[sudden pumice]

hmmm ok ... idk its weird to get all this power dependent buildings with no source

[latent prawn]

after a few hub upgrades, the biomass burners are added to it which provide you with a little power

[robust nymph]

biomass burner? coal power?

your hub has a (or even 2) biomass burner

[sudden pumice]

currently neither but ill keep going
ot maybe I dont know where find them

ahh

[robust nymph]

you can do it before then too, but I tend to not like having to farm biomass to keepbiomass burners running

which you'll need to do if you don't have coal power yet

[sudden pumice]

ahh i got it now TY !

[whole zinc]

yea it is a very tedious job

[abstract gull]

imo it would go hard if they added a way to have a 4 person server where each person starts in their own area

[pearl walrus]

Dedicated servers are a thing no?

[dense violet]

they share tech

[whole zinc]

why th is phase 2 so much harder than phase 1...

[pearl walrus]

Lmao

[robust nymph]

every phase is harder than the previous :p

[pearl walrus]

Maybe becaise because the game gets progressively harder

[keen sky]

Wait till phase 4, that’s a significant jump in complexity from phase 3

[whole zinc]

oh wait theres coal power now

yippee

[prisma thicket]

Coal power is when the game really starts to open up.

[robust nymph]

the factory I'm making now has 34 production steps, and that's not even that bad yet :p

[robust nymph]

yeah. automated power is huge

[boreal musk]

everything felt easy once you do full 3 phase nuclear

[pearl walrus]

Whats 3 phase nuclear

[prisma thicket]

I've been looking at Nuclear... I may actually try it this run lol

[boreal musk]

||from uranium to ficsonium, free waste nuclear||

[hard ivy]

all 3 different fuel rods

[whole zinc]

ahhh im too lazy to tear down everything i built so farrr

[pearl walrus]

Oh yeah, its def the most complex ive built

[prisma thicket]

It's honestly probably best you don't for now, you'll need some of that stuff moving forward

[pearl walrus]

Hey balancer man how are you

[robust nymph]

no need to do that

[whole zinc]

its just that ive only connected each one to one node only

and i want to maximimze production by doing the mathy math stuff

[prisma thicket]

You'll get there, for now focus on figuring out Coal Power, that way you have an automated power supply and can take your time deciding how you want to progress after that 😄

[boreal musk]

its a very fun project

[whole zinc]

haha alright thank you for the advice

[peak basalt]

At least they added a conveyor input to biomass burners so you can stockpile it before coal

[prisma thicket]

Very true, and you can semi-automate your solid biofuel production. But not everyone has the patience and/or know-how to do that.

[hard ivy]

I'm doing alright, thank you. Though I've played Satisfactory until 2am yesterday and had to wake up at 8am today so that kinda sucked lol
Hbu?

[whole zinc]

i just figured out that pressing 1 makes a heart

[pearl walrus]

My above neighbor went crazy tonight so i woke up at 7. Gladly though, i became overwhelmed at 11:30pm with building 306 foundries so i stopped and went to bed. 🤙

[gritty shoal]

is there a way to auto align conveyor lift floor holes

[frozen ingot]

foundations 😉

[whole zinc]

wait so i dont understand how coal works, u mine coal and u transport it using water in pipes?

[gritty shoal]

seems like a basic QoL feature thats missing

[frozen ingot]

i always place one where i want the holes to be, then vertically zoop a bunch of 4m ones to oget the height i want

floor holes, connect

it is fiddly though i guess

[hard ivy]

I've been trying to finish my computer factory but at 1:30 I realized I still had to connect everything to power and then go gather like 6 nodes so I just finished all the conveyors

what do you need 300 foundries for?

[whole zinc]

man this game is so confusing now 😭

[pearl walrus]

We talked about compacted steel yesterday. Im going for 6k steel per min

[prisma thicket]

What's confusing you, maybe we can help?>

[frozen ingot]

yeah it can easily be overwhelming! Just gotta break things down into manageable chunks as much as possible 🙂

[broken thorn]

Holy foundries

[pearl walrus]

336 foundries😵‍💫

[sage wind]

Is glass a bad idea for performance?

[pearl walrus]

Very inefficient because of the power toll but itll be funny as shit. Itll probably take an hour alone to overclock them.
Or can you overclock blueprints?

[boreal musk]

you can put power shard in buildings inside blueprint

[pearl walrus]

Sick

[gritty shoal]

is steel pipes ever used in physical buildings?

or is it just a material to be transformed

[pearl walrus]

Industrial storage

[prisma thicket]

Yes, it's used a fair bit actually.

[hard ivy]

yes, a lot

[gritty shoal]

👍 alr gonna feed it into dimensional storage then

[pearl walrus]

Yurr

[sage wind]

#1376570397478223893 message

What's going on here ?!

[silent aurora]

I can think of the refinery off the top of my head. Uses like 20? But whenever you use refineries. Its not one or two. Its usually atleast a dozen

[broken thorn]

My life hasn't been the same since I upgraded the dimensional depot to 240pm

🙏🏻

[dense violet]

used in stuff

[silent aurora]

Steel pipes are quite common in buildings at a midnpoint or so. ISC use alot of pipes too

[dense violet]

!wikisearch steel_pipe

[latent prawn]

miners use pipe too

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=steel_pipe

[dense violet]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[broken thorn]

Mk3 miners and refineries I think

[pearl walrus]

Im jealous

[tender quarry]

but trains and industrial storage containers are also pipe

[sudden pumice]

is there a way to "unstuck"?
im over some cliffs with seemingly no way up, and I didn;t know you lose your inventory, so pretty much everything is with me :/

[latent prawn]

mk2 & 3 miners, ISCs, rails, mk3 power poles all use pipe

[latent prawn]

build a ladder or some foundations

[sudden pumice]

I wish I had any, I only have the basic builds ...
ill try storage boxes maybe

[latent prawn]

if you don't have them unlocked yet, just respawn from the game menu and get your stuff back later after building a bit more factory to unlock those things (or just restart if you're that close to the start of the game)

[sudden pumice]

ok thanks

[latent prawn]

they work as well, there's a ladder on the side of them & they can be stacked up

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message Finally finished and quite proud of how it's turned out.

[cloud locust]

is there a way to remove the gas out of this area?
#screenshots message

Soon I will need to expand my factory towards there

[prisma thicket]

You need Nobelisks to remove the gas pillars

[trim vine]

Hold your breath brother

[peak wasp]

been working more on my factory

#screenshots message

[whole zinc]

what are these toxic fumes

[peak wasp]

those two pictures that's me getting versatile frames

[prisma thicket]

Looks good, nice work 😄

[peak wasp]

yep I am proud of the work I was rebuilding it due to the fact I cut out iron ingot production and have dedicated iron ingot production elsewehre

[sage wind]

How do I kill giant flying ray

[broken thorn]

Tbh only did it after 150 hours on my save

[leaden turret]

alt-f4

[broken thorn]

But I also nearly maxed the capacity

[leaden turret]

aka you can't

[broken thorn]

Just edit the game files and remove it

[sage wind]

i always end up building right in its flight path so annoying

[broken thorn]

💀

[leaden turret]

just get job at coffee stain and remove it https://jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs/5541357-lead-designer https://jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs/5640650-senior-programmer

[broken thorn]

I think someone doesn't plan their factories

[broken thorn]

Nah I'm already programming my own game

[prisma thicket]

Oooo what kind of game you makin

[sage wind]

I just pet it

[broken thorn]

Can't disclose sadly 😔

[prisma thicket]

Fine then, keep your secrets 😛

[whole zinc]

is there a way to get rid of this toxic gas?

[sage wind]

bomb it

[whole zinc]

ahh im so far away from nobelisks

[leaden turret]

eat fewer cruciferous vegetables

[gritty shoal]

why isnt there a feature to dump toxic waste and liquids into the environment

[broken thorn]

Use a mask

But nobelisk is fairly easy to get once youre in tier 4

[leaden turret]

there is, it's called drag from inventory

[zenith pecan]

Explosives solve quite a few problems.

[peak wasp]

You sick bastard.... FICSIT DOES NOT WASTE

[broken thorn]

I'm not ficsit I'm CapeDil

🗿

[peak wasp]

Instead we process the toxic waste and throw it into the awesome shop

[zenith pecan]

It isn't waste, just expedient storage of difficult to work with material.

[broken thorn]

You can't waste something that never ends

[gritty shoal]

it would be peak tho new resource irradiated water made from dumping radiactive waste into the ocean then picked up with a water extractor

[broken thorn]

Well you can but you get my point

[zenith pecan]

Who cares if it causes the environment to glow an ominous green.

[gritty shoal]

what about making nobelisks capable of blowing up factories

[sage wind]

Does the sound go nuts for anyone else when they're high up?

I can hear the manta audio cues playing constantly

[peak wasp]

Blowing up factories would be a massive waste of resources and ficsit does not waste

[leaden turret]

• physics simulation
• factory maintenance

big nopes

[broken thorn]

Those ideas are terrible 😭

[sage wind]

Like WTF is this #screenshots message

[leaden turret]

manta is constipated ? 🤷‍♂️

[cloud locust]

is there something to blow up big rocks too?
#screenshots message

[sage wind]

Not those ones I think

[prisma thicket]

No, those ones you just have to build around or over

[sage wind]

There some rocks you can blow up, they're spherical and block nodes/caves

[prisma thicket]

There are more than just the cracked rocks you can blow up, but nothing that size.

[peak wasp]

god do I love this design

#screenshots message

[prisma thicket]

It is really nice, and quite helpful in certain circumstances. You can even blueprint it, if you haven't already. 8 constructors plus the mergers and splitters fit neatly into the Mk.1 Blueprint maker

[undone jackal]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=6JRXERncduaeSHY801DO scary

[prisma thicket]

Damn, that's a doozy. Funny that Super Position Oscillators and Power Shards are considered byproducts lol

[lilac mantle]

omg

[stray patio]

i wouldnt even tr<

try

[undone jackal]

Getting rid of these power shards would be kinda annoying to tho would be the least of our problems of we were to start building sth like that

[undone jackal]

I dont even know how u can do that logistically

[prisma thicket]

Can't you make use of the power shards? Alien Power Matrices?

[undone jackal]

Yea and sink those

[prisma thicket]

Why not feed them to an augmenter? Or are you already feeding those?

[undone jackal]

Makes more sense to put them into the balliszic warp drive manufacturers and dupe them

[reef basin]

Manifilds and grouping machines to match ratios

[undone jackal]

Trains are really not good now that there are conveyors with 1k+ a min

[hard ivy]

the faster the belts the faster the trains

[undone jackal]

What

[hard ivy]

max train throughput per platform is limited by belts actually

[undone jackal]

That makes sense i didnt think im sorry

[prisma thicket]

Which thing in the awesome shop do I have to unlock to get the glass floors/foundation? Or do you have to make them yourself?

[frozen ingot]

trains are awesome though, belts are a bit meh, let's face it 😛

who wants to ride a belt?

[undone jackal]

How long do u think it would take to build?

[undone jackal]

Nice boost for jetpacks

[robust nymph]

So are trains

[merry kettle]

Everybody in the airport?

[reef basin]

what? nonesnse

trains can do easily one belt per platform

[undone jackal]

How long do u think it would take to build?

[frozen ingot]

true

not as good as hypertube cannons though 👀

[reef basin]

between 1 second and 42 years

[frozen ingot]

ish

[undone jackal]

And whats ur exact guess?

Does that even make sense

Im bad at english

[golden nexus]

It will take between 2 and 8 people between 1 and 8 weeks

[robust nymph]

What? That warp drive factory?

[frozen ingot]

i think the point is that with so many variables, nobody can say how long it will take?

in particularly, how long it would take you tob uild

[golden nexus]

Yup, So you get the expirenced software development estimate 😛

[robust nymph]

Hard to say, fully depends on how efficient you are with building, if you use blueprints a lot, and more

Between 1 second and 42 years was a good estimate

[undone jackal]

What if under 1 second?

[robust nymph]

I’ll personally send you $0,01 on paypal

[hard ivy]

I'd say ~1k hours assuming no overclocking. And like 500h with

[whole zinc]

damn this coal thing is kinda confusing

[undone jackal]

Nah i think it’s possible in 300

[hard ivy]

My first max nuke plant took 350

that was 1.2-1.5k machines

the bwd factory is 7.5k

[prisma thicket]

Which part are you confused by?

[whole zinc]

do u think one coal node is enough to power my entire base 🙂

[hard ivy]

depends on the coal node and your base

[whole zinc]

the entire thing ive just got it and ive understood it as u use pipes, and u get the coals in the pipes, and then u use water to transport it

[prisma thicket]

That depends on the node purity and the miner you use

[whole zinc]

mk1

[prisma thicket]

Ok, is the node Pure, Normal or Impure?

[whole zinc]

pure

[cyan garnet]

no, coal does not go in the pipes. you need to supply coal (on belts) and water (in pipes)

[whole zinc]

120 output per minute

[cyan garnet]

the generator has two inputs, one for belts one for pipes

[prisma thicket]

Then you can get up to 8 coal generators running with that much coal, and that will make 600 MW of power.

[whole zinc]

omg

[prisma thicket]

You'll need to make sure you have access to water so you can place water extractors

[whole zinc]

i just died.

[cyan garnet]

you will have a much easier time getting your coal power going if you pick a spot where coal is close to water. assuming you started in grassy fields, the pure nodes found there are not close to water

there's an ideal starter coal power location north and west of grassy fields

[dense owl]

are there any downsides to the geothermal extractors

[hard ivy]

they make your power graph wavy

[whole zinc]

ohhh icic

[dense owl]

i see this as a win, cus it alredy is

[whole zinc]

oh shi thats a lot

[whole zinc]

ahh its ok im kinda struggling cuz i just died trying to get to one

[prisma thicket]

It's not a ton, but it's a good starting point for sure.

[robust nymph]

You’ll recognize it when you see it, it’s a big hole in the ground with a big lake in it

[whole zinc]

ohh icic

[whole zinc]

i was just trying to get to connect the two together back to my base like that #screenshots

[prisma thicket]

That south one isn't very close to water, but it's good to have access to, it will make your early steel production much easier with a pure coal node. The ones that Kyo and Lars referred to near the lake north west of you are an ideal spot for a coal power plant.

[whole zinc]

oh hmm icic okok thx ill go search for it

[prisma thicket]

There will be 4 coal nodes close together, all Normal purity, though one will be blocked by a big rock.

[reef basin]

how can we guess something that we have no idea how long it will take?

you're asking a random person how long will something take for a different person lol

[whole zinc]

oh i feel like thats quite far from by base.. is it worth just building the generator there and connecting the power back to my base?

[prisma thicket]

Absolutely, that's the best way to do it.

[whole zinc]

alright alright

[sullen gull]

Can do like this: #screenshots message 😏

[prisma thicket]

You'll need the water in the lake that's there anyways.

[sullen gull]

I believe that is the spot they are referring?

[whole zinc]

also atm i have no power cuz i took down everything 💀 can i use the coal generated power to power the generator?

[prisma thicket]

That's a really advanced build for someone new to the game lol

[sullen gull]

Heh, may have to throw up a few bio burners to get started.

[whole zinc]

oh shiii

[sullen gull]

Lol, I was being facetious mate 😏

[prisma thicket]

You'll need probably 4-6 biomass burners to get things kickstarted, but once the coal generators are up and running, you won't need the burners anymore.

[robust nymph]

You’ll need to kickstart the water pumps with a biomass burner, you can hand feed coal to the generators until you can power the miner

[robust nymph]

You really only need to kickstart a singular water pump, only takes 1 biomass burner

[reef basin]

*water extractors

[robust nymph]

That yeah

My bad, keep calling them water pumps XD

[whole zinc]

ok thanks for the help @prisma thicket @robust nymph i have encountered a problem

#screenshots

[reef basin]

use #1038092680493801533 for this

[sullen gull]

8 coal burners, 3 water extractors. Connect one water extractor on each end and one in the middle. I'm sure someone has the nice Ascii drawing of it

[whole zinc]

ahh okok

[robust nymph]

That’s it!

[whole zinc]

ohh wait this is it??

[robust nymph]

Yes :)

[whole zinc]

damnn now i gotta figure out a way to power it back to base

[prisma thicket]

That lake will provide your water, and the coal nodes are just on the northern shore of the lake.

[robust nymph]

Lots of power poles

[prisma thicket]

Just run a line of power poles back to base, you don't have any better options just yet.

[sullen gull]

Once you make steel, you can use power towers which allow you to go longer distances.

[whole zinc]

haha thank you guys for the help

now i see why people spend a lot of time on this game

[robust nymph]

There’s a lot to do :p

[sullen gull]

And, even though ADA will make some remarks, there's no rush

[whole zinc]

unfortunately i do have exams coming up so it seems that this project will take me a while and sadly i will have to quit for about 2 weeks 😭

[prisma thicket]

There's tons to do, lots to learn and you can always find new ways to do things you've already done that make it better or faster.

[prisma thicket]

Taking a break won't hurt anything, the game will be there when you come back. It's not an always online title, so you don't need to worry about servers shutting down or anything 😛

[whole zinc]

and after i come back i think im going to have a fresh start since ive realized i have no power and ive ran out of materials 😭 when i restart ill stock up on all resources then build on from that

[whole zinc]

haha maybe if i just wait a bit longer 1.1 might come out 🤣

[robust nymph]

No need to restart, that’s easier to fix now that you have some things unlocked than if you start all over

[whole zinc]

hmm that is true but its been on my mind for a while ive been doing this and that too much and ended up running of materials lol

so i just thought it was better for me to have another go

anyhows thank you for the help guys imma go sleep

[gusty patio]

what are those things called that show how many is being output from a conveyor

[prisma thicket]

I think it's Throughput display? It's in the awesome shop under management.

[hard ivy]

throughhput monitor I think

[silk rose]

what i do if game keep crashing on launch?
ive only verified game files integrity so far

[cyan garnet]

Throughput monitor, available in awesome shop, but only in v1.1 which is still in experimental right now

[wanton mist]

there a way to have custom music ingame?

[reef basin]

run spotify on background

[ashen belfry]

You will always run out of materials. Doesn't matter the stage. You can always build bigger, however you will need more mats doing exactly that. So yeah, always an issue. Energy not so much if you always take a look at it and expand early enough

[ashen belfry]

That's not custom music in-game

[reef basin]

has same effect 🤷

[sick heart]

is it "safe" to unload different products at a single freight station using a smart splitter to divide and a sink for overflow - or would this clog?

[hard ivy]

without a sink, it'll clog

and with a sink, you're wasting items

so it's generally considered a bad idea

[simple echo]

You can set multiple drones to go to the same drone port, right?

[sick heart]

dunno if my whole method is stupid but when my available freight stations at the stations where i'm sending and receiving products don't match up, its a mess to resolve

[sacred sinew]

Looking at building nitro rocket fuel power in Blue Crater.... I'm seeing easy-reach resources covering 20 "power pods"... each pod is 1x water extractor underclocked, 1x refiner clocked 1.25 producing HOR, 1x blender @ 1x clock producing diluted fuel, and 1x blender @ 1x clock producing Nitro rocket fuel. That produces 150 Rocket fuel, which should run enough fuel generators to produce 9k MW per pod. multiply by 20 and I'm seeing 180k MW of power, consuming 750 crude oil, 1500 nitro gas, 2000 sulfur and 1000 coal.... Limited by the sulfur and nitrous gas. That seem about right?

[prisma thicket]

There's more sulfur to the north of the crater if you haven't already accounted for that, and the "central" Nitrogen gas well isn't terribly far if you were to drone or train the gas over. Just some things to consider.

[hard ivy]

"k MW" reee 💢

[sacred sinew]

yeah, what I'm accounting for is 100% local resources- no long belt or train imports. And if I really wanted to push it, I could start slooping the rocket fuel blenders

[sacred sinew]

what can I say... the power grid views all use MW, so it's an easy unit to base in.

[reef basin]

easier than GW?

[sick heart]

units crashed the mars climate orbiter - serious business

[reef basin]

the more reason to use correct ones

[sacred sinew]

easier for others to read and understand? I think so. I mean, sure, 9 GW = 9k MW.

[hard ivy]

no, 9GW = 9000 MW. 9k MW doesn't exist

[sacred sinew]

9k === 9000

[reef basin]

no, 9k = 9 kilo

[sacred sinew]

kilo what?

[reef basin]

kilo is SI prefix

meaning 10^3

[merry kettle]

I mean ... MW is actually the base unit, as opposed to W. 9k MW might be more correct.

[plain marten]

is it possible to make a train line where the rail ends at the train station and then the train goes backwards, by having locomotives at both sides of the train

[reef basin]

it works for unitless numbers, but for units, SI system specifically forbids multiple prefixes

[merry kettle]

In which case, though, it should me 9kMW

[reef basin]

base unit is W though

[merry kettle]

No, that's real-world units. In Satisfactory, W doesn't exist.

[reef basin]

then SI system also doesn't exist and you can't use kMW nor GW

[sick heart]

arcs per second?

[sacred sinew]

🤦

y'all are seriously getting bent about shortening 1000 to k ? Feck's sake.

[plain marten]

is it possible to have a terminus train station

[sick heart]

yes this is a push pull network

[plain marten]

if i add a locomotive to the back of the train

[merry kettle]

Yes, but you'll need an engine (probably at the back) pointing the other direction

[plain marten]

if it has many cars then will it know to orient itself correctly so the correct cargo car goes to the correct freight terminal

[merry kettle]

The exact behavior will depend on your rail network and what you consider "correct" to be

[plain marten]

also can many trains share the same cargo terminal

[reef basin]

we're serious asbout SI system being used correctly 😉

[plain marten]

and station

[sick heart]

i also have that question, never figured out if it was possible to load at station position 2 and unload at station position 3

[merry kettle]

Like if you have two stations with three cargo stations, connecting as dual terminus, you'll get something like: tABC ----- ABCt

[plain marten]

what if the other one isnt a terminus? will it get messed up?

[leaden ether]

Only thing that bothers me is that MW is just way too large a value for the machines that are using them. I.e. Should have been 30kW instead of 30MW.

[merry kettle]

They will maintain their orientation in a straightforward manner as long as they stay on the same track and there are no loops

[plain marten]

so if its not a terminus will it go backward so it goes to the terminus station correctly or will it go forward and go into the terminus the wrong way

[merry kettle]

Whichever engine is at the front, relative to the direction of motion, will be the front with respect to the terminal.

[plain marten]

and can i have many trains sharing the same cargo station

[merry kettle]

If you want multiple trains you want a dual track system

Or, alternatively, more complex stuff I won't get into here

[hard ivy]

yeah, bi-di is terrible with more than 1 train

[plain marten]

ok but can trains share stations

[hard ivy]

yes

[plain marten]

yay

[merry kettle]

But not at the same time and you may need block signals

[plain marten]

so i only need one

[merry kettle]

(Path signals if you're doing more complex stuff)

[plain marten]

one big station

[hard ivy]

but if they're carrying different items, you'll have issues

[plain marten]

dont they all unload there? i can just sort them out with smart splitters

[hard ivy]

if 2 different items end up in the same platform

[trim vine]

I have seen people place this on foundations at an angle, anyone know how to do that?

#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

if you're prepared to sink stuff to prevent everything from clogging up, sure

[sullen gull]

pillars/beams

[trim vine]

ima need a tad more

[merry kettle]

#screenshots message

[plain marten]

lol whats the problem with that i sink stuff al lthe time

[sullen gull]

Gimme a minute..

[merry kettle]

Mind that's 22 freight stations unloading mixed cargo. But sorting your stuff is a much more complex problem than you may expect.

[plain marten]

smart splitter

why you have so many belts

[hard ivy]

if you sink stuff at the output of a train, you put in more items than you're getting out. sometimes that's an issue

[merry kettle]

Because I have ~32,000 items per minute coming into 22 freight stations.

[plain marten]

no problem its free coupons then

better overproduce than underproduce stuff

[sullen gull]

That's a 4m inv ramp with a 4m ramp on top yeah?

[plain marten]

what the hell needs that many items per minute

[hard ivy]

I mean I exactproduce lol

[trim vine]

8m double ramp

[hard ivy]

my planned nuclear needs double that in quickwire alone. though I won't be shipping it by train lol