satisfactory

[latent prawn]

I need to spend some time to see if i can put together a compact bp for iron stators that can be dropped next to a miner... i'm goint to be making stators forever

[prisma thicket]

... but why?

[latent prawn]

need a lot for nuclear

[prisma thicket]

Ewwww

So, 2 constructors making iron pipe/iron wire feeding one assembler making stators. Find a way to sneak in the smelters and play with the numbers a bit, should be doable with a big enough BP maker

[timid rune]

do you just use normal rotor receipe for iron motors?

[prisma thicket]

You can, or you can use steel rotors

since you're already making iron pipes

[timid rune]

oh yeah maths says it barely makes a difference

in terms of ore input

[prisma thicket]

I think steel rotors is less machines iirc, but not 100% on that

[timid rune]

far less machines lol

saves about 800 MW for a 90 motor/min factory

[prisma thicket]

Damn, that's huge

[timid rune]

takes only 15 ore extra/min

4985 iron ore/min using vanilla rotor vs 5000/min using steel rotor

[prisma thicket]

For that much output? That's awesome

Which iron recipe do you have making the ingots? That might change the cost as well

[timid rune]

vanilla

[prisma thicket]

I wonder how much you need with Pure Iron

[timid rune]

assuming people aren't silly enough to go pure

[prisma thicket]

I do pure all the time xD

[timid rune]

#screenshots message

2.7k/min with pures

[prisma thicket]

Probably jumps the power cost way back up lol

[latent prawn]

steel rotor is a lot nicer for it and the default stator and steel rotor both make 5/min which plays nice with motor

[timid rune]

2675 MW using vanilla iron vs 4400~ MW using pure iron

1700 MW is alot of difference at phase 3-4 lol

[prisma thicket]

and that doesn't include the power for the water extractors lol

Though I can't imagine you need 90 motors/min in phase 3/4

[timid rune]

1538.46 water/min... which is 13 water extractors

[latent prawn]

pure iron for it isn't very good and leads to some pretty ugly numbers

[timid rune]

that adds another 260MW

[prisma thicket]

Almost 5000MW vs 2700, but like 2/3 the ore required

[sullen gull]

Or 6 overclocked 🙂

[prisma thicket]

trade off, save power or save resource, either way it takes a lot to make 90 motors/min with just iron lol

[ashen belfry]

Which uses even more power

[sullen gull]

Moar Powah!

[prisma thicket]

Or 26 underclocked to save power lol

[latent prawn]

if you add oscillators to it all, you quadruple the yield

[ashen belfry]

But yeah. That's the game with alternates. It's a tradeoff between power or ressources or simplicity

[latent prawn]

incidentally, the default oscillator recipe can be made with only iron & quartz

[prisma thicket]

oscillators?

[timid rune]

Rigor Motor alt

[latent prawn]

rigor motor

[prisma thicket]

Ahhhhh

I have not used that one yet

[timid rune]

I do like me some pure copper though

[latent prawn]

it takes the same ratio of stators & rotors but makes 4x the number of motors with them

[timid rune]

because copper is such as pain in the arse

[prisma thicket]

Pure Copper and Pure Caterium

[latent prawn]

is anyone using leached caterium for its better yield?

[prisma thicket]

I have never made or had cause to make sulfuric acid so far, so no leached for me yet

[latent prawn]

i've not been finding a place where it really seems very compelling to use

mostly because fused qw takes equal amts of cat & copper with the pure recipes

[timid rune]

I am planning to use sulfur for aluminum at some point

[latent prawn]

um, there isn't a leached aluminum

[timid rune]

sulfur for scrap even

[prisma thicket]

Fused quickwire just about killed one of my factories lol had way too much quickwire way too fast and everything clogged xD

[latent prawn]

instant scrap is a nice recipe if you don't mind the coal & sulfur

[timid rune]

I do want to give 90 supercomputer/min build a go at some point

[prisma thicket]

why always 90? xD

[timid rune]

maths work

[latent prawn]

i never end up using it because most aluminum either goes to heat fused frame or heat exchanger, so the oil is already being allocated

[timid rune]

a lot of my aluminum will get fed to ficsite ingots

which I will need quite a bit for the ficsonium part of the nuclear....

[latent prawn]

yeah, that's a place for sloops

what actually kind of kills ya with ficsonium is that you need just about as much aluminum for PCC's as you do for ficsonium

*ficsite

[robust nymph]

If you have a problem with power generally the solution is to build more power, not underclocking

[timid rune]

yeah... I am tempted to convert my aluminum to instant scrap because of the demand

[prisma thicket]

I know, was just teasing Tinker with that one lol

[robust nymph]

Fair :p

[latent prawn]

i think one thing that could really be better balanced in the endgame recipes is the aluminum requirements for fmf's and rcu's

(either that or provide about 50 more sloops)

[sullen gull]

Currently sitting at 95,850MW ... Think i need moar...

[timid rune]

I am at abouut 160GW

gonna slowly bring my nuclear power online the next week or 2

[sullen gull]

Yeah, this play through I am doing individual power stations for each factory

[latent prawn]

I pretty much went straight into a fuel->tf->rf powerplant that's making 120gw and its been enough so far

i'm hoping that it gets me to nuclear on its own

[timid rune]

nuclear feels like a step up from RF now

instead of a side step

[sullen gull]

Just finished the RF plant for my giant Alu plant. Making 1625 RF, but only 625 of that is being used for power. The rest will be packaged and used for drones

[timid rune]

I am using trains more atm because I am using tiny trains station mods

[latent prawn]

i still can't get a really good handle on drone fuel usage

doesn't help that the numbers the ports report are often flat-out wrong

[prisma thicket]

Just give them a plutonium fuel rod and they're set for a couple days of play lol

[timid rune]

HA

[sullen gull]

The roof of this thing will be a bunch of drone ports. a few delivering alu parts, while about 4 or so will be running around refueling other stations.

[timid rune]

Is there a cap on radiation "damage"?

if you have filters

[prisma thicket]

I heard it's 5/min

5 filters per minute that is

[latent prawn]

my plan is to make a 1.5tw ficsonium plant which will leave 100 uranium leftover for ufr's for drones

[sullen gull]

I was under the impression you can hold uranium and not be hurt so long as you had filters?

[latent prawn]

yeah, filters prevent all damage until you run out

then its kinda instakill

[prisma thicket]

Yes, but it causes the filters to consume faster

[sullen gull]

If going to ficsonium, why not use use some Plut rods for fuel?

[sullen gull]

True

[latent prawn]

its all on the table for revision. lot more building to do before i get there 😉

[sullen gull]

Lol, fair,

[prisma thicket]

Man, I was supposed to be hunting hard drives to start my oil production lol my brain kept going "oooh shiny!" and going after slugs. Over an hour and I have 4 hard drives, but like 30-40 of each slug xD

[sullen gull]

Thats cause like everytime you turn around you see another when exploring it seems 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Lol yes, especially in Spire Canyon, they are EVERYWHERE

[latent prawn]

yeah, there's an infestation of them up there, lol

[timid rune]

What I am working on atm: the unload station for Nuclear with tiny train station mods: #screenshots message

in hindsight: I should have gone for drones yeah

[sullen gull]

Ugh, and here I am trying to hit E to close the screenshot ... 🤦‍♂️

should have stayed asleep

[prisma thicket]

What's sleep? Lol been up for closing in on 40 hours straight at this point 😅

[timid rune]

oof

[sullen gull]

Oh yeah, pulled many 48's and I think even a 72 when 1.0 first came out lol

[timid rune]

Do I want to build my uranium ore processing on top of the station or next to lol

[sullen gull]

tries his powers of Mind reading .....

Uhhhhhhhh......

[timid rune]

I am going to build a separate block next door for Uranium processing methinks

[sacred summit]

Holy fml, the jump in complexity between Phase 2 and Phase 3 items 🤣 🤣 🤣

[prisma thicket]

cries in phase 4 panic

[ashen belfry]

I used to do that back when I was still studying at a university. Juggled between gaming and uni. Sometimes weeks with less than 14h sleep in total. But now I can't do that anymore. I got old lol

[sacred summit]

lol oh nah, I'm happy and excited for it. I was just shocked that it felt like an exponential increase rather than just a multiple.

[prisma thicket]

I'm old too, I just have insomnia and ADHD lol

[sullen gull]

Oh, I'm old. But the brain don't seem to care. The body hates me for it though for sure.

[ashen belfry]

Now it's more like: 1l coffee 2h ago, 2 energys half an hour ago. Perfect time to fall asleep at 00:00

[sullen gull]

But on that note, I'm going to go lay back down. Damn headache from hell and can't concentrate on what I am trying to build.

[sacred summit]

Well, considering how much recent science has moved toward establishing a relationship between sleep deprivation and neurological disorders (Alzheimer's, etc.), you should probably consider yourself on the winning end of the arrangement if you can still drop like a rock after coffee and crack.

[ashen belfry]

Probably good, but sleep experience isn't the best when that happens. So it's to cut caffeine 6h before sleeping.

[sacred summit]

Agreed, 100%

I really just need to cut caffeeine, period, and let me body re-learn to regulate its sleep cycle on its own tbh.

Well, total honesty, I think most people need to do that

[ashen belfry]

Tried that. Couldn't stand the damn headaches

[sacred summit]

Whenever I detox from it, i generally do it on like a Thursday or Friday for partially that reason.

Headache goes away after the first day or two and your vessels relax back to normal size.

But sleeping and resting those couple of days while you deal with it (and drinking at least 1/2 ocean worth of water) makes it tolerable

[prisma thicket]

Since we're off-topic anyways, how old ARE you guys?

[sacred summit]

38

[prisma thicket]

37 here

[peak wasp]

Did 1.1 get a new engine?

Well updated engine

[prisma thicket]

I've only been on EXP for a couple days so I couldn't tell ya, sorry.

[peak wasp]

From UE4 to UE5

[prisma thicket]

I love that they keep udating the game and stuff, but at this rate I'll have to take a break for a while until I get my new PC finished lol my old rig can barely handle the game as is xD

[peak wasp]

Heh this game selling hardware 😉

The game was originally built using Unreal Engine 4 as the studio had past experience with it for their previous titles of Sanctum and Goat Simulator.[11] By November 2023, Coffee Stain migrated the game to Unreal Engine 5, which provided improved performance and a more stable foundation for future updates.

[prisma thicket]

I just hope that GPU prices start to come down a bit over the next few months since all the new toys have been out for a while now, can barely get a card with a decent amount of vram on it for under $800 CAD

[peak wasp]

So I do believe the new 1.1 update is unreal engine 5

[prisma thicket]

You're most likely right on that one

[peak wasp]

Try going for the new amd cards

The 9070 cards look great

[prisma thicket]

I'm going full AMD this go round

[sacred summit]

Well if I read that right, it's been UE5 for a while now

My brand-loyalty is too high 😭

Still doing Intel & nVidia

And I'm not saying that proudly 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Pffft Nvidia is all about A.I. now, they barely even make consumer cards anymore.

[peak wasp]

Yeah ngreedia is done for me...I still have a rtx 3070 but my upgrade is a 9070xt

[sacred summit]

I think it's a huge overlap, tbh.

I think AI is honestly the future of consumer cards, too

[prisma thicket]

Bah, you're an Nvidia shill 😛

[peak wasp]

So we have a crazy person on the chat....either that or a skynet spy

YES I BET YOU'D LIKE THE AI TO CATCH ON YOUR ROBOTIC BASTARD

[prisma thicket]

I mean, I think I qualify as crazy, at least sometimes lol but who were you meaning?

[sacred summit]

More from a practical standpoint tbh.

I think there's only so much you can do to, for example, generate X-number of frames at Y-resolution in a traditional manner.... without cards becoming more and more of a brick, with more and more power needed, etc.

I believe techs like AI frame generation, etc., are the next logical leap

[peak wasp]

the AI lover

So the terminator from the future trying to convince us to adopt AI faster and doom us all

[sacred summit]

No, I are hooman too.

[quick sky]

GPUs? Let me introduce you to my little friend called "potato graphics"

[peak wasp]

YOU WON'T FOOL ME TERMINATOR

[prisma thicket]

Oh I am intimately familiar with potato graphics my friend, I'm on a GTX 1060 3GB card in a 7+ year old rig lol

[sacred summit]

Gyatdayum

[peak wasp]

3070 is a potato now for 1440p gaming

Damn 8gb of ram

[sacred summit]

Nah, 3070 is still the median

Errr 30-series

I wouldn't be surprised if, statistically, you could go play 80-90% of games on higher graphical settings with a 30-series card.

[peak wasp]

Not for 1440p gaming on the 3070....8gb of vram is a issue

[quick sky]

Friend, I have no idea what those words mean, I just lower the settings until the fire in my PC goes out

[sacred summit]

The 8GB I don't believe is much of an issue unless you're trying to break knobs off on the high end

I just upgraded from a 2080 Ti to a 5080 on the day the 5070 released... thinking back, very few of the games I was playing (in 1440p) were topping 8GB

[prisma thicket]

I got a Ryzen 7 7800 X3D just waiting to be paired with a nice either 9070XT or a 7800 something with minimum 16GB vram, the GPU and a CPU cooler are all I need to finish this new PC

[sacred summit]

nooooice

Sitting in their boxes over in the corner?

[prisma thicket]

Exactly xD on top of the massive box for the tower lol

[sacred summit]

😂 yessir

[ashen belfry]

24

[sacred summit]

I really want to update my CPU right now, it's feeling a bit archaic.

[prisma thicket]

You said you were OLD you liar xD

[sacred summit]

i9-9900k

And I'm to the point where I feel like I bottleneck on CPU with some of my games

[ashen belfry]

I am mostly in a CPU Bottleneck.
i9 13th gen and RTX 4080 12GB

[prisma thicket]

Bah, another Nvidia shill 😛

[sacred summit]

All ur base r belong to us

[ashen belfry]

No AMD were available to buy here.
Either way too expensive. Or issues with certain other things.

[prisma thicket]

Ahhh gotcha. Surprising they were expensive since AMD is usually the "budget" option

[ashen belfry]

Laptop

[sacred summit]

eeewww

[prisma thicket]

Ohhhhh. Been there, done that, never again lol

[sacred summit]

Double the price for half the performance

My wallet cries for you

[ashen belfry]

Writing this text on my laptop in public transport

[prisma thicket]

Not entirely accurate, but I cede the point lol

Where abouts in the world are you?

[ashen belfry]

Land of good beers and cars

[prisma thicket]

... Germany?

[ashen belfry]

Yes

[prisma thicket]

Nice! Got it in one xD

[sacred summit]

Ah, Germany, or as it's more broadly known... East France.

😛

[prisma thicket]

I almost said Canada first, then realized we don't have nice cars, and our beer is Meh

[sacred summit]

(Usually works to rile up my German friends)

[frail sleet]

what do you need 400 drones for

[ashen belfry]

I mean there aren't a lot of them.
USA has some nice cars, but beer is shit.
Italy has nice cars, but not really beer. More wine.
France doesn't have nice cars nor beer.
Poland has okay-ish beer, but no cats.
Same for Czechia

[ashen belfry]

Germany, only country in europe actually gaining GDP per capita, if we would cut off the capital

Greece would lose 20%

[prisma thicket]

There's a few places in Canada I'd love to "cut off" or at least get rid of the people in charge of them lol

[dense violet]

just say alberta

[ashen belfry]

Here in Germany aswell.
Basically all new federal states

[ashen belfry]

Blue is the new colour there.
But shit is still shit even if you paint it blue

[prisma thicket]

xD that's number one on the list, but Ontario and Saskatchewan need their leaders given the boot too.

[sacred summit]

Isn't Alberta like 2/3rd of your domestic energy supply?

gas, oil, etc.?

[dense violet]

haven't been paying that close attention since I left, but Alberta changing will make headlines xD

[sacred summit]

Holy seizures, Batman

[prisma thicket]

Nah, they'd like to think so, but we get far more of our energy from Hydro-electric in BC and Manitoba

[dense violet]

they are the Texas of Canada. In basically all aspects

they sell out national resources cheaply

[prisma thicket]

I mean a fair chunk of BC's hydro goes to powering Vegas on the cheap lol

[sacred summit]

I live in Houston, so good on them, far as I know.

[sacred summit]

Canada in general, or your area in particular?

[dense violet]

eh, super christian and conservative. They were also trying to ship their homeless problem to BC a while back by giving away 1 way tickets to other provinces

[sacred summit]

I guess I understood Alberta to basically be your alls' energy capital. not that I actually studied or researched it, but that's the conventional view

[prisma thicket]

Canada in general, at least last I'd heard. Alberta clinging to it's oil and gas industries is honestly holding us back at this point.

[sacred summit]

Conservative I'm good with. Christian I don't care either way. Except when they try to bring their Christianity into governance. I'll keep my state out of your church, keep your church the fuck out of my state.

[prisma thicket]

Let's not let this get political, since I can already tell you and I might have some differing views. What's everyone working on?

[sacred summit]

Interesting. Sounds like I should brush up on it a bit.

[sacred summit]

IMO, differing views are great - it's the inability of (most) people to intelligently discuss them and appreciating opposing perspectives that's the problem.

That aside, I'm trying to debate which thing I should move toward first... setting up "electronics" automation... transitioning from coal to fuel...

[prisma thicket]

Ever since the Giant Cheeto took office for a second time, talking Politics just makes me angry, hence my avoidance of the subject 😛

[sacred summit]

So not a fan of being our 51st state huh? 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Hahaha HELL NO 🤬

[sacred summit]

lmfao

[prisma thicket]

I think I'm head to the Gold Coast and setup a basic ass oil refinery, since I'm getting 0 luck with hard drives for alts lol

[sacred summit]

Are there enough hard drives to actually unlock all alt recipes in a single playthrough?

[prisma thicket]

More than enough

If you collect them all, you have 5-6 left over after all recipes are unlocked and all MAM research is done

[sacred summit]

Oooh noice

On another note... 80 hours into this playthrough, I finally set up Dimensional Depots 🥴

I welcome you to laugh at me

[prisma thicket]

Congrats! That's a big one, really frees up what and where you can build.

Don't sleep on the Manual Uploader upgrade for it, if you can find/make the computers. Makes exploration WAY better since you can just dump your slugs, sloops, sphares and sss... hard drives into the DD while you run around 😛

[sacred summit]

Yeah, that looks like a majorly helpful one tbh.

I was debating whether that, or an upgrade in upload speed should be first... for those things like cement or conveyor ingredients that have the ability to drain stupidly fast when you're laying things down

Also was pleasantly surprised by the fact that you're able to drag dimensional depot inventory directly into your own (which I don't remember being said in the description) so you can use it on things like Nobelisk storages to reload ammunition

[prisma thicket]

The secret to upload speed without the upgrades? Build more uploaders lol I usually have 3 on just concrete so once I have it fully upgraded I get 720 concrete per minute right to my build gun

[sacred summit]

Eventually I plan to, but right now I barely have everything covered with one

[prisma thicket]

Fair enough

Also, there's like 300 spheres across the map, and you only need I think 96 for upgrades, so don't worry about throwing down an uploader or two when you want to

[sacred summit]

oh nooooice

Don't have to be picky with them, that's good

[prisma thicket]

Yah, you can have a depot slot of every item in the game and still have plenty of spare spheres to do multiples on the stuff you use most.

Sloops are significantly more limited, I think there's a little over 100 of those, and it takes 10 to build a power augmenter, and the larger machines require multiples to get to double production, so those you want to pick and chooe what you use them for.

[sacred summit]

Yeah, I did do the production amplifier or whatever it's called (for double production)

For the moment, I've just got a constructor and assembler set aside so I can double things like power shards and DNA, manually.

I have no idea where I'd want to use them at more permanently

[prisma thicket]

Also a very powerful upgrade, can balloon your biofuel supplies if you use it that way.

[prisma thicket]

A good place to start is any annoying or tedious project parts you don't want to wait for, you can just plop down a machine, sloop it, put a couple storage cans with the inputs and greatly speed up the process by doing so.

I also tend to full OC a machine when doing that, so it's faster, even if the power cost jumps

[sacred summit]

😭 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375754164331614359/image.png

[sacred summit]

That's what I did just to see what it looked like. Going from 4MW to like 53 was insane 🤣

[left totem]

wait until you go from 2GW to 26GW

[sacred summit]

"Choo Choo MFer" 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Yah, and it gets worse with the bigger machines. I think refineries are up around 240 MW, and Particle Acclerators are 26+ GW lol

[blissful violet]

How does the snap to grid button actually work? I thought it snapped to a grid the size of the entire map and no matter where you are you can snap it, but what i observe is that they only snap if they're (the buildings) nearby another building/s

[sacred summit]

Just to start tinkering with the rails, does SF support single-rail or double-rail or both?

[sacred summit]

The world grid, to my knowledge, only works with foundation pieces. If there is a "factory grid" or something that it can snap to nearby, it will snap to that. If there's nothing else in the immediate vicinity, the foundation will snap to the world grid.

[prisma thicket]

Snapping to the world grid is for foundations I believe, and then machines snap to each other

[leaden turret]

both

snapping to the world grid is for people that don't wanna think too much

[blissful violet]

good to know, im super early in the game and cant afford making a foundation base

[sacred summit]

Or, as is known in the civilized parts of the world, "for people who aren't heathenistic heretics."

[leaden turret]

(this is your irregularly scheduled reminder that I think the world grid is a poorly-implemented feature)

[prisma thicket]

Fair enough, though if you want to get creative and make really cool looking buildings and stuff, you'll want to have lots of concrete handy for building with.

[sacred summit]

I'd say pretty much everyone starts by building on the ground, until they get some cement automation set up so they can justify the mass quantities required to build a proper foundation.

All jokes aside though, so far I haven't noticed anything that helps me understand some folks' disdain for the world-grid.

[prisma thicket]

A big detractor is that it limits creativity, it's either 90 or 45 degree angles, and that's it. If you go more free form, you can create nice smooth curves and even stuff like perfect spheres

[blissful violet]

yeah yesterday i did a concrete "factory" (10/min 😭 ) but idk how to make a decent one, i hope mk2 and 3 and so on gets way better

[leaden turret]

• there is only one world grid
• you can't change it
• if you want to build to a different global grid you have to waste time manually placing temporary foundations and picking them back up again afterwards
• if you want a temporary local grid, you are also equally screwed

global build grid is fine for people that lack imagination or people that actually want to build on that precise grid, but useless for everyone else

[prisma thicket]

Hey, 10/minute is better than 0, so that's something, and as you play the game more you'll learn more and unlock new tools to create and build with.

[sacred summit]

I can definitely see that as being a problem for the more advanced, architect types... but I've looked at enough screenshots of the same generic-ass manifold designs with enormous ass lines and 90 degree bends to know that like 99.9999999999999999% of y'all wouldn't be affected by the world grid 🤣

[leaden turret]

I like my world grid to be based off off my spawn point, so I always remember how things begin.

this requires having to make a save immediately upon spawning, so the player coordinates can be extracted from SCIM later in order to set the exact x/y of an approximiately placed foundation tile

[oblique thunder]

why are blueprints so broken in experimental bro

you try to make a lift that ends with a splitter and it doesnt connect

[dense violet]

Exp is buggy. It’s on the lable

[prisma thicket]

Well, I think I'm hitting the wall here, 40 hours seems to be my limit lol see you all later I hope

[sacred summit]

Have a good night brother

[oblique thunder]

didn't think it was THAT buggy

[severe elm]

i do not understand pipes, i cant get my fuel to flow properly

ive been at this for hours lol

[sacred summit]

You'll probably need to provide a bit more detail

Like is it not entering pipes? Is it entering pipes but not getting to the destination? Is it not entering the storage/structure/whatever you think it's supposed to?

Is it just not keeping up how much you need?

[pine swallow]

please i really need someone to help me in the vc i'm crashing out

[severe elm]

its not keeping up the amount i need for my generators despite the fact im 110% making the right amount

its not flowing well enough through the pipes

[sacred summit]

Are you using a recipe that generates a byproduct?

[severe elm]

nope

im using Turbo heavy fuel

inputs are perfect, and the output is perfect, its just not flowing right

[sacred summit]

Well not just the turbo fuel input, but higher up the chain... For example, is the oil that you're turning into fuel generating polymer resin? And is that polymer resin getting backed up so not enough fuel can be made quick enough - even though your ratios are correct? Something like that

[frail sleet]

if you have headlift and the numbers are correct, you're probably just trying to use more flow capacity than you have. Fluid manifolds for example cause enough backflow that you only get about 500-560 out of a 600 pipe

[sacred summit]

Or is the heavy oil you need for the heavy fuel not being generated fast enough because of something else, etc.

[severe elm]

the oil is going into basic plastic and rubber production, the plastic is going into storage and the overflow into sinks

and the oil residue is whats making my turbo fuel with the compact coal

[severe elm]

only trying to flow 480 through mk2 pipes

[pine swallow]

please?😭

[frail sleet]

need pics / gamesave to diagnose then (i can't atm, but someone else can :D)

[sacred summit]

Sus.

[frail sleet]

if you need me, maybe tomorrow

[severe elm]

maybe ill try get someones full on assistance tomorrow but ive been playing for 13 hours so ive probably had enough lol

[pine swallow]

WHYYY

this game is too hard for me i may just quit

[sacred summit]

What help do you need?

[pine swallow]

power

everything is off i can explain it in call i think it's too hard to write it

i can't even upload images here

[sacred summit]

Can upload them to #screenshots

[pine swallow]

can you help me by any chance?

[sacred summit]

If you have no fuel in the biomass generators, put more fuel in (biomass, leaves, wood, whatever) and turn it back on. If you have fuel in the generator and its constantly tripping and kicking off, then you're not generating enough power and need to have more generators.

That's what I would also say in a voice chat.

[pine swallow]

I DONT HAVE BIOMASS GENERATOR

[gleaming owl]

Coal?

[pine swallow]

this is a world i created a lifetime ago and i watched a tutorial for the coal efficent power farm or whatever that is but now everything stopped

and even if i disconnect the farm to everything it still does not work

[gleaming owl]

you may have to start the water pumps with Biofuel Gens

and maintain until powergrid is stable

[pine swallow]

that's what i'm doing😭

[sacred summit]

Sounds like you have a coal plant, that's completely stopped... In which case you need to kickstart the water extractors with a biomass generator to get them pumping water into the coal generators so that they can then power themselves

[pine swallow]

maybe 1 isn't enough???

[sacred summit]

One biomass generator is enough to power one water extractor.

[gleaming owl]

one might not enough depending on the numbers of Water Gens you have

[oblique thunder]

is there a height limit in the game?

[pine swallow]

because when i was playing yestarday everything stopped but i didn't add anything that uses power idk why

[sacred summit]

But make sure you're not trying to power multiple water extractors, or accidentally connecting it to the WHOLE grid.

[gleaming owl]

Yes and it is very high

[pine swallow]

it says like 800 max usage when i produce 600

[oblique thunder]

how high exactly

[pine swallow]

yeah i have like 8 of them

[oblique thunder]

5km?

[pine swallow]

now i'm trying to do another one similar of the one i already had but i need power to make it work

i don't have any biomass it feels like starting over

really nobody can do like a 5 min call????

[oblique thunder]

oh 2km thats probs enough

[gleaming owl]

I dont have numbers but I read somewhere it is 1997 m

[sacred summit]

1. Disconnect the coal plant from the "main" grid, so that the coal plant is only going to power the water extractors and any nearby coal mine you're using...
2. Disconnect one water extractor from the coal plant, and connect it directly to a biomass generator.
3. Turn the biomass generator on, and it will power the one water extractor.
4. That one water extractor will push enough water to kick on a couple coal generators... and THOSE coal generators will then turn on the rest of the water extractors. Wait while this happens.
5. Once those are up and running, disconnect the biomass generator and connect that one water extractor back to the coal plant
6. Wait for a couple minutes, then check the coal generators. If they are being kept full of coal and water, then you can reconnect the power grid.

If it kicks off once you do, then you're trying to pull more power and need a bigger powerplant (or need to underclock machines in your factory

[pine swallow]

ohhhh right the coal mine

well it's not that easy it's something like 1 to 2 km far away

i have no idea how i planned that

[gleaming owl]

this is something only you can answer

[sacred summit]

Yep. As a general rule, I'd say not a great idea to put your coal plant across the map from the coal you're going to use to pull it.

[gleaming owl]

go to it rewire it to the main source of all your power for easier control where it gets power from

[pine swallow]

wait don't coal gens have to be powered to to work?

[sacred summit]

I'm shocked any tutorial would also not have you using one of the big bodies of water with coal deposits next to it

[gleaming owl]

the Water Pumps and Miner do

[pine swallow]

i may have not listened well i was something like 3 years ago

[sacred summit]

Coal generators need have coal and water in them to work. The only "power" they need is that you need to kickstart one of the water generators to start the cycle

[pine swallow]

tysm yall

i'll try that now and lyk

[gleaming owl]

good success

[stray patio]

is there a way to deactivate the fog?

[pine swallow]

if it doesen't work i'm starting everything over and deleting the world

[robust nymph]

there is a console command

r.fog=0

[gleaming owl]

or you just rework your Power Plan

[stray patio]

how do i open it?

[gleaming owl]

might be easier to remove all you power sources and rebuild to a proper spot

[robust nymph]

tilde/grave key

[sacred summit]

If it doesn't work, I would recommend trying right here. It's a solid starting location. Plenty of water, multiple coal deposits in very close proximity https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375772107790618654/image.png

[stray patio]

whats that 🕴️

[robust nymph]

~/`

[stray patio]

ah

[robust nymph]

under yours escape, assuming you have a US layout

[stray patio]

i have eu

[gleaming owl]

I gonna remember that one, need some additional power aswell haha thx mate

[robust nymph]

There are many different layouts used in the EU

[stray patio]

i barely have a clue haha

[robust nymph]

I (netherlands) use US-international because that's the common thing here

[sacred summit]

The tilde key is the one that looks like ~

[stray patio]

i pressed all of these nothing happend

[robust nymph]

hit ctrl+shift+L and try again

[stray patio]

nope

doesnt work

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with some over head images when you do go for help 🙂

[robust nymph]

ugh I've had issues with that too, no idea how that gets resolved

[stray patio]

ill look it up and let you know

[sacred summit]

Are you sure it didn't pop up, it's just a very small, thin console at the very bottom of the screen

[stray patio]

íts suppose to be "´"

`

[sacred summit]

Yep, that key

[robust nymph]

yeah , grave

[stray patio]

backtick

[robust nymph]

likely the same key

[stray patio]

but it doenst work :v

[sacred summit]

Are you playing solo on your own local server? (Assuming only an admin/host would have access on multiplayer)

[stray patio]

im playing solo

[pine swallow]

the generators are full of water!!!

now i gotta wait like 20 minutes for the coal to travel

[sacred summit]

Just a sanity check to make sure of the obvious, you're looking right here where the arrow's pointing right? It's not like an enormous, obvious console that pops up and dominates your screen... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375774294302523462/image.png

Well, I guess if you double-tap the key it does, but I digress

[stray patio]

i dont se that either

see*

[fresh seal]

hey hang - at the tail end of tier 2 right now, and am working on a big steel plant to get me ready for the next stage of the game. how long will a ~4.5k ingots/minute plant last me ? (ill use it both for general use/building and later components when i get a train network going)

[sacred summit]

I don't build enormous scale, so I can't help with that 🤣

[pine swallow]

i see coal from the distance🤩

[sacred summit]

Noooice ❤️

[pine swallow]

wait what are water pumps for

because i haven't connected it but i still have water do i have to connect them?

[oblique aspen]

pumps are only needed to gain headlift, or in other words, move the water upwards. If it just flows down or sideways, there is no need for pumps

[severe elm]

my stubbornness has prevailed, ive got 1 line working with means ive likely found the solution

[sacred summit]

Your extractors also allow it to move upward a bit without the pumps, so not always necessary

[pine swallow]

so i have to connect it to kickstart the generator

[sacred summit]

No

[pine swallow]

look at #screenshots

[sacred summit]

Water PUMPS, no. Water EXTRACTORS, yes.

Just that small little lift that you're showing in that picture doesn't need a pump.

[oblique aspen]

extractors have a baby pump built-in that gives you 10 meter of height for free, so in your example i dont think you need pumps

[sacred summit]

The water extractor itself let you go 10 meters high without a pump

[pine swallow]

how tf i even died

now i have to make all the way back by feet

[pine swallow]

oh then why i even got them

[sacred summit]

Only you can answer that

If you had built the generators on a tall platform (over 10m above the water), then you would need a water pump to help lift the water. But the platform you have right there is totally fine

[sacred summit]

To answer your question in #screenshots:

1. No design is a shitty design if it works.
2. In a design like that, very little material (coal in this case) will get to the last machine until the others fill all the way up. It may take a few minutes.

[pine swallow]

do i consider manually filling everything for the first time?

[sacred summit]

You definitely could. Some people do it for that sort of reason

[pine swallow]

ok so if it works i'm going to connect not the whole thing but just the other power plant i'm doing

but i still have some issues transporting coal😭

[sacred summit]

What I would do is look at one of your first generators... see if the water is filled (or filling) and if the coal is close to filled.

If so, it's working fine.
If one of them is not filling faster than it is being used, then you're not supplying enough

[pine swallow]

mh

i'd try to put 100 in everyone of them and see if it stays up to that number

yeah totally not working

how many fucking coal do i need for just 8 generators?

[sacred summit]

15/min for each = 120/min

[pine swallow]

and how many mk1 miners give me?

[sacred summit]

It depends on the "purity" of the vein

[pine swallow]

oh

[sacred summit]

Impure = 30/min
Normal = 60/min
Pure = 120/min

[pine swallow]

for mk1 right?

[sacred summit]

Yes

[pine swallow]

lemme look on the map ig

[sacred summit]

If you look at your map, you should be able to tell, yeah

Well, if you ping for coal, and it's close enough

[pine swallow]

IT'S NORMAL

it should be enough

i think it's more of a belt thing because it stays up but the amount of coal goes down really really slow

i put 100 now it's 94

nevermind i think it's perfect rn i'll retry to fill

yeah the first 6 are so so full

IT'S WORKING

[sacred summit]

Good stuff!

[pine swallow]

tysm man

now i reconnected the pump

[sacred summit]

🫡 glad to help

[pine swallow]

i mean the extractor

[sacred summit]

Yep, reconnect it to the coal plant and it'll keep itself running.

[pine swallow]

so rn i just have to look what i place and don't overload

[boreal musk]

glad it worked, next time use #1038092680493801533 or #math-and-meta for easier troubleshooting bcs ss are allowed there

[pine swallow]

oh k ty

[dense violet]

Maybe xD unless you know what going on it might be a different thing 🙂

[pine swallow]

ok now the problem is knowing how much energy do i need for all the other mess

[severe elm]

dont jinx me, its still working

[sacred summit]

Yeah, honestly now that you have a power plant up and running, I would recommend using the lake in between your current plant and the coal mines you're using, and you can set up a significantly larger plant there, that will carry you into mid game. Can easily have 16 coal generators set up there.

Well, actually a lot more than that, but without any power shards, Mk2 generators, or bombs to uncover the 4th mine, you can still easily set up 16.

[pine swallow]

oh i actually already setted up another one but i think we have the same transportation problem i'll show u on #screenshots

[sacred summit]

The standard solution to that problem (that I bet 99% of people use) is just to create a batshit crazy power plant that's comically larger than you need, and then just check power any time you add another plant... and when you get sorta close to it, just build another or expand the one you have.

I would really like to avoid waterbases just like I do skybases, but fuel generators are huge, and there's not really a nearby space to accomodate that much open, flat building 😭

[mortal coyote]

Hi 👋 If I continue my 1.0 on experimental 1.1 branch will it work once 1.1 is out of experimental?

[sacred summit]

Try building here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375784539204485170/image.png

[stray patio]

finally got my Motor factory done

i bet it looks weird from above

[sacred summit]

Man, that was a nightmare to put together 🤣

[stray patio]

#screenshots

[sacred summit]

ooh, oh, no, let's not look at that 🤣

[stray patio]

i should become an architect irl

[sacred summit]

🤣 😛 I just can't bring myself to do the spaghetti. I love that other people embrace it, but I can't

[dense violet]

You sure there isn’t 1 machine with a flickering yellow light?

[stray patio]

i usually hate doing it to.

i try to have a clear overview

[sacred summit]

This is how my motor facility turned out. I'm embarrassed at how long it tookhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375787886749810718/image.png

[stray patio]

are only motors this bad at making factories with? xd

[severe elm]

probably not

[sacred summit]

laughs in "probably gets a lot worse"

To be fair, a lot of my pains in this were self-inflicted.

If I would have just lifted my base up about 20-24 meters off the ground and made like a 20 x 40 flat space and just stretched a manifold design to infinity and beyond like I imagine most players do, it would've bene a lot easier

[boreal musk]

you can make them pretty, just need a lot of logistic planning

[sacred summit]

Mine's actually fairly organized. The different "heights" are different grouped operations, some of them spread over a couple floors just to avoid the aformentioned design. But it was a bitch and a half to make because of lack of planning.

Gotta remember the 7 P's

[undone jackal]

Why do pipeline manifolds not work

[severe elm]

ive just spent hours figuring that out, and i have but i still dont understand it

[leaden turret]

there's a manual pinned in #math-and-meta

[undone jackal]

U mean plumbing?

[leaden turret]

yup

[undone jackal]

It didnt really help me

[leaden turret]

package all the things, problem solved

[undone jackal]

Full pipelines are happy pipelines isnt true at all

[sturdy mural]

g8uys is it possible to rescan a hadr drive onto the same exact recipes??

guys
i wasted 5h lookng for the pure copper

i had it already rolled

[lean venture]

I just noticed something.
I remember I noticed already once, back when the particle accelerator was introduced.
There is this gap in the model of the smallest of the three rings at the accelerator, is this a known bug, is it already fixed in experimental ?
For some reason I cant upload an image to show what I mean ...

[covert talon]

why’s the planet named MASSAGE-2

[left totem]

i think it's like AB(B)-2 massage smth

[reef basin]

Because people named it that way when they discovered it

[pine swallow]

connecting everything with poles won't use power?

[sacred summit]

No, poles don't use power

[stray patio]

istg theres quartz underground but i cant find an cave entrance. where should i look??

[zenith pecan]

Check here https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ , you can highlight the quartz nodes and the caves.

[stray patio]

okay thabks

thanks

[dense violet]

not if a recipe is waiting in yoru library

[wheat reef]

Me irl: i guess that's the number... maybe?
me in satisfactory: mhm, so it has to be 190.4762% overclocked in case for 14 refineries to use 599,998 oil

[broken thorn]

Is using crystal oscillators smart for making motors

[reef basin]

Do you like it?

[jaunty jewel]

• saves stators and rotors
• uses crystal oscialltors

[broken thorn]

I suppose I do, making crystal oscillators is easy when I use that recipe of RIP that uses rubber

[reef basin]

Then go for it 🙂

[broken thorn]

I just need a lot of quartz ( I have no other use for quartz )

240 crystal oscillators it is then

[jaunty jewel]

many people will tell you there are no "bad" recipes

[reef basin]

There's no "wrong" or "right"

[jaunty jewel]

thats a lot

thats gonna be a lot of manufacturers and a lot of power

[broken thorn]

There are two type of people in this discord: #satisfactory message

😂

[broken thorn]

Oh yeah I forgot hw many manufacturers it is

Well I have a bp for those so it won't be as hard

I'll probably only make 120 though

I want to go big in every project

I'm still contemplating how I'm going to feed 5k rocket fuel into generators

💀

[jaunty jewel]

while i agree some recipes are (in my opinion because of my playstyle and what resources i prefer to save) worse, such as default heavy modular frame, every recipe at the end of the day can lead you to your goal, and theres enough resources on the map to allow you to do so

[broken thorn]

Also how many alt recipes is there to unlock when I have all tiers up to tier 8

I've used over 65 hard drives

[jaunty jewel]

theres not too many in tier 9 iirc

[sterile blade]

Those who distinguish between facts and opinions and those who don't?

[broken thorn]

Fair

[jaunty jewel]

so probably close to 80

maybe more idk

also depends what other stuff you have in the mam

[broken thorn]

Ah true

I've probably spent some in the mam to unlock turbofuel and add crash sites to the scanner

[wheat reef]

In the process of building my 150gwt powerplant

feels good

[jaunty jewel]

just in case you didnt aready know theres enough hard droves to get every recipe in rhe game and have spare

[wheat reef]

you can also buy some^^

[jaunty jewel]

no need to imo

theyre very expensive

[broken thorn]

Yo update me in #screenshots I'll start building mine today

Where are you building it ?

I'm building in the blue crater but I'll have to import some nitrogen because there isn't enough there

[wheat reef]

I use the one wihtout diluted fuel, building it on the beaches

2700 oil in there

[broken thorn]

Why no diluted fuel though

You could be using probably 1/3 of the oil

[wheat reef]

cause it would make 7k fuel and it would force me to deliver 3800 sulfur there

[dense violet]

or just use less oil

[wheat reef]

i ain't dealing with that yet

[broken thorn]

You realize you don't have to use all the oil, right ?

[wheat reef]

hell naw

[zenith pecan]

Not that much of an issue moving the sulphur.

[wheat reef]

I build what I like

[broken thorn]

4k sulfur is half of the sulfur in the map

[wheat reef]

it's funny

[broken thorn]

That's when using mk6 belts btw which he doesn't have

[wheat reef]

I do

[broken thorn]

Ah nvm then

[zenith pecan]

I guess you're not used to moving half the map 😄

[wheat reef]

anyway, I am using all fuel I can there!

I am not used to moving anything

[broken thorn]

😭

[wheat reef]

so I just enjoy the game

[broken thorn]

I'm wondering if I should build the rest of my railway or just use drones now that I unlocked them

My railway right now covers the whole west side of the map

Also most of South

[wheat reef]

Drones only carry 9 stacks

slow

[broken thorn]

Ye but I can fuel 200 drones

[zenith pecan]

After moving a ton of sulphur & nitrogen into the blue crater, I built three production & generator towers to use the resulting rocket fuel, the power output is ever so slightly nuts.

[broken thorn]

I'm doing the same thing

[lavish sleet]

i know this has been reiterated over and over but rocket fuel is so broken 😭

[broken thorn]

The sulfur in the blue crater is already enough for me tho I'm only using 1440

[zenith pecan]

A brief peek at mine #satisfactory-experimental message

[broken thorn]

Get a gigawatt every 10 crude oil ahhh recipe

My math is probably wrong but you get my point

[lavish sleet]

deadass 😭

[pine swallow]

how do i see how many energy my power plant produces?

[lavish sleet]

300 oil can make 72GW with the nitro recipe

[coarse geode]

thanks for the design idea

[broken thorn]

Click on the power pole ?

[lavish sleet]

you can isolate the grid so the only things on the power grid are the power plants and the machines you need to run it

[pine swallow]

sry🥺

[broken thorn]

Np

[wheat reef]

oh wait if I middle click the overclocked machine it copies both the machine and it's settings

[jaunty jewel]

i suppose i should play satisfactory too and build my power plant too

[broken thorn]

It's a 1.1 thing I think

I noticed it too, pretty useful

[wheat reef]

It just saved me from ctrl+v'ing a lot of times

[stray patio]

is there anz chat easter eggs_

I heard about it

i gotta unqwerty my keyboard

[atomic notch]

Had like 1 minor inefficiency in my power plant and it took like 10 hours to stabilize lol

[desert maple]

satisfactory

[sacred summit]

The important question though... Did you fix it? Or did it mysteriously go away and you still have no fucking clue what caused it or solved it?

[atomic notch]

I fixed it lol

[sacred summit]

Okay, then satisfactory performance 🤣

[atomic notch]

Forgot a train buffer

I buffered the other station dont know how i missed the other

[sacred summit]

Problems I hope to soon deal with myself

[atomic notch]

Also not getting 69gw anymore. Had to sack an augmenter

[sacred summit]

Big boy problems lol

Me? I'm still working on setting up my first fuel generators

[atomic notch]

Gonna shoot for 420 tho.

[sacred summit]

...?

If you can make 420GW, why'd you have to give up generation now?

Or just space to make something fit?

[atomic notch]

Im working on nuclear

[sacred summit]

AHHHH

[atomic notch]

I needed the sloops for my dd factory

All i got left to automate is turbo motors. Then i should be able to start workin on p4 production haha

[sacred summit]

420GW needed before P4!? 😱

[atomic notch]

Not needed more like wanted

Funny number

Consumption is like 17k rn

[fickle escarp]

hi can some1 help me my trains are saying that the next station is unreacable even though it is not i have tried everything but just cant make it to work?

[hard ivy]

99% station facing backwards

[fickle escarp]

i go check

[hard ivy]

if not ask in #1038092680493801533

[fickle escarp]

ty

[gusty patio]

So you know on that satisfactory planner site, its says i need 174 iron going to one system and 120 to another, how are people working out the belt maths

im real bad at maths

[hard ivy]

1 splitter if you have mk4 (or higher) belts, a belt balancer if not

[gusty patio]

but how will 1 split split the correct amount though

does the less one just fill faster and then system balances

[fickle escarp]

@hard ivy ques what it was the only station thank you so much

[hard ivy]

because if one side only needs 120/min, then it won't use more than 120/min. If it gets more than that, it'll overflow to the other output(s)

[gusty patio]

unreal from you btw, ty sm for explain

[hard ivy]

You just have to make sure you don't sink more items than planed. Because then it might turn out that the belt that was supposed to only use 120/min is actually using more and everything breaks

[plain marten]

why are all my blueprints gone

[coarse geode]

im trying to build my factory bus line style, would that work?

[atomic notch]

U can make a lot of things work tbh

[coarse geode]

i have 3 belts coming from my refineries with iron ingots and i want the factory lines to take what they need along the way

it doesnt look too bad so far

[stray patio]

#screenshots can some1 tell my why the coal takes so long to get through?

i posted a clearer one

[atomic notch]

I just sent a pic of the problem

[oblique thunder]

guys...I'll be done with my first megafactory

[atomic notch]

Nice

What ya makin

[stray patio]

omfg i didnt even see that haha thank you

[atomic notch]

It happens dude

[oblique thunder]

computers, heavy modular frames and some power from the byproducts

[atomic notch]

Sick

Im boutta finish my dd storage factory. Gotta run like 2 more trains in. That puts me at 10 lol

[oblique thunder]

just wanna be prepared for tier 7 yk

[oblique thunder]

10 trains????

[atomic notch]

Yeah

[oblique thunder]

wow that's a lot

[atomic notch]

The nitrogen takes two one for packaged one for unpackaged

[oblique thunder]

I hate screws from now on

[oblique thunder]

what tier u on?

[stray patio]

why lol

[atomic notch]

8

[hard ivy]

Thankully past steel you do not need to make a single one

[oblique thunder]

I need 1627.5 Screws for my factory

[atomic notch]

Yeah

A few constructors

[oblique thunder]

and I don't have mk5 belts

[stray patio]

thats not alot?

to me atleast

or am i seeing soemthing wrong here

[sturdy mural]

guys what the heck my hotbar doesn't work?? and just the 1-5 options?

[stray patio]

didnt you make a screw factory at phase 1?

[oblique thunder]

how do I balance it tho

[hard ivy]

with a balancer?

[atomic notch]

Math

[hard ivy]

or just don't make screws in the first place

[frozen ingot]

best not to use long manifolds for screws

use enough constructors to make screws per machine that needs screws

[atomic notch]

U could totally do one big injection manifold

[stray patio]

for SAM.. should i make a long conveyor to my base or what?

[frozen ingot]

(particularly easy with steel screws cos that recipe defaults to 260screws/min)

[frozen ingot]

that's always an option 😄

[oblique thunder]

well you can use a factory cart if you want lol

[undone stirrup]

can anyone help when i try launch my game i use epic games for my satisfactory it just crashes

[frozen ingot]

try posting in #1038092680493801533

[oblique thunder]

do you use mods

[dense violet]

make several groups of machines making screws

and/or use Steel Screws and make the screws right before they are consumed

[oblique thunder]

I use steel screws in a manifold

[atomic notch]

Steel screw my beloved

[hard ivy]

No screws my beloved

[dense violet]

send teh steel beams down to a constructor right before they are consumed. Much easier

[rapid wren]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J39IBPIuFVk i expected the space station to be just a visual horizon thing, that would forever stay at the same distance 😄

[oblique thunder]

I'll just figure it out and make sure to not make that mistake again

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message my base is so scuffed

[jaunty jewel]

woo fertile uranium system is done, just need to import uranium + kickstart the water/acids

[wheat reef]

How to get rid of backflow if I need to pump multiple pipers upwards?

[reef forge]

i love stupid rock

[timid rune]

I made a bigger mess of my railway junction

[atomic notch]

all the empty platforms will eventually get npps

aslo gonna have drones bringin uranium in

[dense violet]

depends on your set up honestly. Post some over head images in #math-and-meta

[cyan garnet]

Alt+scroll wheel to scroll through your hotbars (there are 9 iirc)

[timid rune]

at least this way there aren't any flat junctions: #screenshots message

[vagrant oar]

I wonder: is there any reason for nuclear beside "fancy power" over doing rocket fuel?

[jaunty jewel]

or start a thread in #1038092680493801533

[jaunty jewel]

its more fun than placing 5230 fuel generators

[timid rune]

it is a challenge

[jaunty jewel]

looks way cooler too

[vagrant oar]

we got 144GW out of a 25x25 of fuel gens

I think 144GW?

[jaunty jewel]

i wouldnt even say its a challenge tbh

[vagrant oar]

haven't checked the math in a long time

[cyan garnet]

One nuclear power plant plant is equivalent to 10 fuel gens

[hard ivy]

Compared to RF, everything is a challenge

[timid rune]

depends on how much output you are after

[oblique thunder]

IT'S DONE!

[vagrant oar]

the fuel gens were only shitty to build because we were producing like 5 motors

[jaunty jewel]

thats a valid point

[timid rune]

say 1TW ish can take a bit of planning

[cyan garnet]

A single impure uranium node can net you a ton of power and the production chain isn’t that complex

[vagrant oar]

yo glitch, what's up with the ⚠️?

[jaunty jewel]

dont mind it

[oblique thunder]

guys how much power do you have by the time you reach tier 7

[vagrant oar]

got it

[jaunty jewel]

i would explain what it means if i knew how to explain what it means

[jaunty jewel]

ranges from 10gw to 40gw

[dense violet]

30gw or so

[vagrant oar]

is it just like an "Acknowledged" kinda reaction? like how some people use ❗

[oblique thunder]

40kMW?

[dense violet]

well, it's more that once I hit tier 7 I make about 30,000 mw

[jaunty jewel]

dont say that here people will get upset

[cyan garnet]

GW. kMW isn’t a thing

[dense violet]

since I like using the diluted fuel recipe with blenders

[jaunty jewel]

told you

[oblique thunder]

I got 4GW...

[cyan garnet]

lol gltich called it

[jaunty jewel]

it depends entirely on how big you go in phase 3

[dense violet]

that's fine. Make a good diluted fuel power station now 🙂

[vagrant oar]

ngl... like a single GW?

[jaunty jewel]

thats not a lot

[oblique thunder]

okay that's not too much

[cyan garnet]

My second playthrough I saved the day with 75 GW, which was two diluted fuel plants and a modest rocket fuel build. I did a huge nuclear build post-game

[hard ivy]

my first coal plant in 1.0 was more than double that

[jaunty jewel]

mine was 6x that lmao

[timid rune]

I am still working on the 1TW nuclear build

[jaunty jewel]

i used most of that power (6gw) getting to phase 3 too, and i wouldnt say i build that big either

[wheat reef]

#screenshots message
Is this how liquids work?

[vagrant oar]

yeah, we used to only run on like, a single coal plant, and then fuel from plastic/rubber

[timid rune]

which RF recipes do y'all use?

[jaunty jewel]

nitro

other one is 100x more effort for less power gain

[hard ivy]

Depends on the location

[jaunty jewel]

"less power gain" as more machines means more power used to produce the rf itself

[hard ivy]

They use differnt amounts of sulfur/nitrogen

[cyan garnet]

I’ve run out of post-game projects to do. I did the big nuclear build all the way through ficsonium. Automated power shards and converted all my packaged rf to ionized. Made alien power matrices for an APA to add 100 GW to my power grid

[coarse geode]

im looking at all the uranium stuff rn and i see that you produce very few uranium fuel rods, how much do i need?

[jaunty jewel]

make max ballistic warp drives per minute !

[timid rune]

depends on your goal

[jaunty jewel]

im only doing 6

[cyan garnet]

That’s actually what I’m considering

[hard ivy]

1 UFR/min is 12500 MW

[timid rune]

I am going for 50 uranium fuel rods/min

[jaunty jewel]

it seems fun unironically

[cyan garnet]

A single uranium rod powers 5 NPPs which is 12.5 GW

[jaunty jewel]

definitely not 1.25 gw lol

[cyan garnet]

!wikisearch nuclear+power+plant

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=nuclear+power+plant

[hard ivy]

1 NPP is 2.5 GW

[cyan garnet]

Gah, decimal place

Edited

[coarse geode]

so 1/min feeds 5 reactors?

[sturdy mural]

no like
not scroll thru hotbars
use the items on it

[hard ivy]

5 NPPs at 100%, yes

[timid rune]

I am doing Uranium + Plutonium at the same time so I can sink the Pu rods

[sturdy mural]

i can't 1-5 for the slots 1-5, but i cant CTRL 1-5 for 6-0

[timid rune]

while I work out the Ficsonium part

[cyan garnet]

A single plant burns 0.2 rods/min so one rod every 5 mins

[jaunty jewel]

i definitely dont think im doing ficsonium

[cyan garnet]

ficsonium is a fun challenge but it’s pretty silly how resource intensive it is, especially for SAM

[coarse geode]

plutonium? 😭

ah nah

this will be fun

[jaunty jewel]

and it also uses a stupid amount of power

[cyan garnet]

True, but getting power out of burning plutonium rods more than makes up for it

[timid rune]

Ficsonium is basically net negative lol

[zenith pecan]

Ficsonium seems to be a net loss when power is taken into account.

[timid rune]

but I am gonna do it still

just for the fun of it

[cyan garnet]

You have to consider the total power generation of the whole chain- plutonium rods have the biggest MJ value of any fuel item in the game

[timid rune]

getting Pu as well though is pretty decent

[cyan garnet]

When burning uranium fuel rods it makes uranium waste. Your options are to store it forever, or convert it to plutonium rods which can be sunk or used waste-free in vehicles

[timid rune]

since 50 Uranium fuel rods gets me 12.5 Pluitonium Rods (with vanilla receipe) and 62.5 Ficsonium rods

I haven't checked my maths with Pu alt and the resulting Ficsonium chain

[gritty shoal]

how does a megafactory work?

[hard ivy]

1 FFR/min takes 1.5-2 GW to make but burns for 2.5 GW

[timid rune]

input many resources -> many machines -> some item

[sterile blade]

Actually, Nuclear+Power=Powerplant

[cyan garnet]

One thing that I ended up doing was slooping the quantum encoders for the ficsonium fuel rods at the end of the chain so that the dark matter residue was 1:1 and doubled the fuel rod production as a bonus

[sterile blade]

Like normal factories, but on a bigger scale and/or complexity

[timid rune]

I am planning to sloop the converters for ficsite ingot

[jaunty jewel]

idk, i go off 'mega' = big, 'factory' = factory

[cyan garnet]

That’s an option. I ended up slooping the constructors for reanimated SAM in order to get enough from the pure node at the top of the waterfall in the swamp

[gritty shoal]

i mean like how do i make things not look like a huge mess #design-and-architecture
takes like 5 mins to find where i stored things

[timid rune]

that might be a better call as well

[cyan garnet]

The trigon part was easy by comparison, there’s tons of bauxite in the middle of the swamp

[timid rune]

yeah I already have a factory doing about 6k aluminum ingots a min

so I can use that as my feedstock

[cyan garnet]

Planning. Logistics floors. Build vertical. Use dimensional depots so you don’t have to care where things are stored

[timid rune]

once I am done with the whole Uranium/Plutonium/Ficsonium setup I can convert the rest of the bauxite to instant scrap tbh

and tear down my RF powergens

[cyan garnet]

Satisfactory definitely lends itself better to distributed satellite factories over centralized production. You can do a mega factory successfully but it requires a ton of up front planning to be effective. You really have to know what everything is going to be before you start building, otherwise it turns into a sprawling mess

[timid rune]

yeah I am finding myself being decentralised

multiple smaller factories doing a few things

[clever pier]

Trains and decentralized factories is the way

[timid rune]

that being said I am a mod player espically with modular load balancer, smaller train stations and bigger capacity train cargo wagon

so I use trains A LOT more liberally haha

(and uninterrupted belts while train is at station)

[clever pier]

even with vanilla trains are the way

this playthrough I am going way overboard with far more trains than I need just for fun

[cyan garnet]

My first playthrough I did a giant factory for all of phase 4 and 5 that was an ever growing sky platform in rocky desert with a ridiculous logistics floor. It worked but it was not exactly pretty. I’ve learned from that

[timid rune]

I definitely went overboard with trains: #screenshots message

[cyan garnet]

Yeah, trains are great once you get the hang of them. I barely touched them my first playthrough

[timid rune]

there is a bottleneck there but I am too lazy to fix

[sterile blade]

That's not easy to answer, as I don't know your building preferences and skills you may or may not have acquired (not just about building).
Eg: do you have an idea of how you like things to be in order to be well organized or just "not a mess"? If this is your first playthrough, it's perfectly normal to not have a clear idea/design to strive towards, in which case I'd suggest just experiencing different approaches and (if not worried about spoilers) looking at how others have tackled the same issues as you (like: how to fit machines "cleanly" in a space, how to belt things "nicely", how to make things "walkable"... All words between parenthesis are very subjective, so even finding what they really mean for you can take a while~)

[cyan garnet]

1.1 makes rail construction so much easier

[timid rune]

I generally prefer uglier train track layouts over flat junctions

[cyan garnet]

my rail network this time around is nice and organic, following the terrain naturally

[timid rune]

so lot's of flyover junctions

[clever pier]

you'll like this then #streams-and-videos message

woops meant to reply to ellinor

[atomic notch]

i gotta ship 2000 raw quartz in and then set up quartz purification

[timid rune]

hell yeah

[gritty shoal]

my idea is kind of like each part in the game has its own production line but that doesnt feel viable since some parts is combination of other combined parts

then it rapidly scales to a huge mess

[timid rune]

make sure you have enough juice!

[atomic notch]

prolly gonna be like 8 freight plaforms

[cyan garnet]

Yep, this is one of the main gameplay challenges is how you solve complex logistics for the later tier parts

[clever pier]

i made a mistake however using trains only 4 cars long.... I'm upgrading all my stations to 8 cargo platforms now

[atomic notch]

2 engines in the midle one on each end. gonna be a long push pull

[clever pier]

imo always leave room to expand to 8 platforms or you'll regret it later

[clever pier]

I've never needed more than one at the front and one at the back even with 8 train cars?

[atomic notch]

its also in a cave so i hope i have room

[gritty shoal]

if i have a line solely producing say reinforced plates then when i want to build a modular frame line i either take the plates from the first line or have to build it from scratch

[atomic notch]

i figured is would look cool

[clever pier]

ok but means you have to leave empty platforms in the middle making your station longer

[sterile blade]

I don't understand why you came to that conclusion.
Even assuming that A is needed to make B, to have both don't you just need to make more A than you consume?
Do note that you're not forced to keep expanding the same production line to make more A: if you're out of space, you can make it somewhere else and ship it (chance to dabble with long-range transports), or even make it directly where B is made leaving the original production alone, so it doesn't even have to travel around to reach production B...

[atomic notch]

yeah

[hard ivy]

4 platforms can move 7k ore/min. Nearly 9k of stuff like wire

How often do you need more than that?

[clever pier]

I'm unloading multiple semi finished parts not just ore

like one station needs 6 different parts

[cyan garnet]

@gritty shoal a few tips that have helped me with bigger builds:

• work out your overall production plan, work backwards from your finished product to the starting inputs. Planners like SF tools are super useful here
• group all of your machines logically
• place all your machines first before doing any logistics. Give yourself at least two full foundations between each group of machines
• don’t be afraid to overclock or underclock to make the logistics easier in terms of the number of machines needed
• use verticality. I like doing one floor for raw materials, second floor for more complex parts, etc
• unlock conveyor floor holes, ceiling mounts, wall mounts, etc from the awesome shop to give you more options for your logistics

[clever pier]

I also do this.... finished parts at the top, each step up the chain goes up a floor

[timid rune]

13k iron ore/min for a 135/min HMF factory

• 11.5k water/min

[sterile blade]

Blueprints can be a huge help in this. Some go as far as making all production lines from blueprints, which (after the initial hurdle of making the blueprints) eventually leads to a gameplay like:

• Place Reinforced Iron Plates blueprint
• Place Smelting blueprints to feed the RIP production
• Place Modular Frame blueprint feeding on prior blueprints
  (I'm not listing all productions, I think you get the point already)

Each step may need "just" the addition of more copies of the same blueprint to be expanded. How you set things up can make this process quite quick and streamlined

[clever pier]

more advice for large factories. spread out, theres plenty of room. leave some empty space between sub factories and belt across the gaps in foundations. my current phase 5 factory making 2 out the four parts is like 10 different "buildings" with trains and belts connecting them

[cyan garnet]

This is probably my best example of putting verticality into practice. Electronics factory on the edge of the northern forest:

#screenshots message

[clever pier]

also use display signs on final output to make it easier to follow

and smaller signs on intermediate steps

I use framework foundations to rise up the display signs so they can be seen from a distance and change the layout to just a big icon of the item, no text

[hard ivy]

I put mine on radar towers

[cyan garnet]

oh that’s pretty clever

[hard ivy]

Surprisingly, they have a place where signs attach

[clever pier]

radar towers are kind of expensive to build that many of?

[sterile blade]

~~And don't forget to hate your life if you change any of the numbers... #screenshots message ~~

[robust nymph]

if anyone has good knowledge on the quircks of how trains work I need some help in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1375850191730507856 :)

[sterile blade]

Jokes aside, I think the use of arrows (or other unicode characters) can enhance a lot the use of signs.
Eg: rather than having to write "consumption" or "production", I just used "bottom-facing-arrows" and "upward-facing-arrows"; one can add a lot of info just adding a few more symbols...

[coarse geode]

is there anything you need nuke nobelisks for?

[clever pier]

nope

I use cluster nobs for clearing areas

and poison gas nobs are better for killing radioactive hogs

for giant green spiders I dodge in the air and use homing ammo

[sterile blade]

They are imperative to have explosive amounts of fun

[clever pier]

they do suprisingly little damage

I direct hit a radio hog and it didnt die froma nuke

[atomic notch]

pulse are my fav

[clever pier]

yeah if a radio hog is in the way its easier to just knock it off a cliff with a pulse than kill it

[gritty shoal]

is there a way to split specific amounts of resources
say i wanted to split off 20 iron ingots from a line of 600 ingots

[clever pier]

why do you want to do that?

[sterile blade]

There are many ways, young padawan...

[atomic notch]

splitter lol

[sterile blade]

Clarification: the reason why can narrow down which of the "many ways" may be best for you

[gritty shoal]

like if i had a flow of 200 iron ingots per min then i wanted to split off 20 per min to be used in a different production line

[clever pier]

you don't need to worry about that cause if the other line is only using 20 a minute the rest will go elsewhere when it backs up

[atomic notch]

yeah i get it theyre going into splitters anyway just use a splitter

[clever pier]

so just underclock the input machine to only take 20 a minute

[atomic notch]

itll balance itself out

[gritty shoal]

ohhhhh

right yea you can underclock

[sterile blade]

If you plan on letting belts back up, a single splitter can do that.
If you have reasons not to have them back up, things get a bit more complicated ^^

[atomic notch]

as long as ur not using over 600 off that line youll be fine

[cyan garnet]

match your inputs to outputs

Clock your machines

[sterile blade]

And always use sushi

[atomic notch]

split 20 off just means u got a 580 belt

[clever pier]

underclocking is really only necessary if you want to avoid yellow lights. I just let stuff go as it does and don't care if a machine stops and starts

[sterile blade]

Unironically, this is still on of the most underappreciated and powerful balancing tools

[cyan garnet]

for real

[hard ivy]

only the last machines in a chain before a container/sink need to be clocked exactly

everything else will automatically balance itself to them

[gritty shoal]

but it will just take a long time

[hard ivy]

yes, but it's less work on your part

[gritty shoal]

coudlnht you just clock the first machines then

thats receiving the raw material

[hard ivy]

if the items they produce end up in 2 different sinked products, no

[atomic notch]

u can clock every machine who cares

[gritty shoal]

wym

[cyan moss]

so I think I remember hearing to use 4m or 2m foundations starting world grid is this true?

[hard ivy]

not anymore

[gritty shoal]

if i had two constructors thats using 15 and 10 couldnt i just clock the smelter to 25

[hard ivy]

depends

[cyan moss]

not anymore include 1.0?

or is it 1.1

[hard ivy]

if the 2 constructors actually are clocked to consume that much, then yes

but if you're expecting a certain output from each of them and it requires those specific inputs, but the constructors are capable of consuming more, then no

[sterile blade]

Throwback to #satisfactory message
If you don't care wether belts back up or not, things will just back up where too much is given and balance out with all remaining outputs (ie: the machine needing 10 fills up after a while, then the machine needing 15 will run continuously too without lacking input)

[hard ivy]

pretty sure it's 1.0

if you place a 1m and a 2m foundation aligned to the world grid but not touching, and their top surfaces are aligned, it's been fixed

[gritty shoal]

sorry could you clarify this? why wouldnt it work?

how would constructors consume more than what you limited it to

[hard ivy]

the point is that those aren't limited

you asked what if you only clock the smelters exactly

[gritty shoal]

oh i see

if i wanted 15 steel rods but the machines can produce up to 20

then only clocking the smelter wont work

if i dont clock constructors too

[coarse geode]

no way most of my factory is running at 100%

[gritty shoal]

where as clocking say the assembler at the end will be easier instead of needing to clock 3 machines

[sterile blade]

The power graph can make it easy to tell wether that's the case or not 😉

[sterile blade]

Now you're starting to think with portals numbers

[cyan moss]

last time I tried to play I tried using water tower for my coal powered generators, I can't remember why it shutdown last time, I think might just go back to trying to use pumps on each pipe

I even filled all pipes full before gens were on, flow rate was maxxed at 300 but something went wrong somewhere idk how

[sacred summit]

Was the coal keeping up?

[gritty shoal]

so now i can just have like a single belt of 470 iron per min and then split off for things like iron rods, plates, frames etc

and just keep track of whats the leftover flow rate of the belt

isnt there something that can monitor the belt flow rate etc

[sterile blade]

Have you explored the Awesome Shop fully, yet? 😉

[frozen ingot]

why can't blueprints remember where they are saved 😡

spend all that time trying to organise them and they keep wandering off 😆

[gritty shoal]

whats it called? i cant find it

[sterile blade]

The blueprint knows where it is, by knowing where it isn't...

[cyan moss]

if I remember correctly I might've had truck station fuel belt also coming from same belt so like 3 coal per trip was lost, and I got annoyed, didn't want to empty all the gens of water, setup biomass burners again to power pumps and fully buffer all pipes again to maintain flowrate

the part that annoyed me is when I flipped switch back on the water flowrate had dropped which only makes sense if it was using water which annoyed me

[sterile blade]

Ops, I forgot we're not in #satisfactory-experimental!
Sorry, I might have spoiled some future content for you :/

[gritty shoal]

im on experimental build tho

[cyan moss]

cause my whole power line failed and restart pretty quick due to lack of water pressure

[sterile blade]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Conveyor_Throughput_Monitor

[sacred summit]

Something like 3 coal shy, I think should've allowed it to keep going, unless you only had like were pushing the power grid to the limit - or only had like 1 generator going or something... to the point where if one generator stopped, it killed the whole thing.

Also, unless you're building noticably above the water level, you shouldn't need the pumps.

[cyan moss]

yeah my power grid was like enough to run a couple more pumps lol

I needed to double the setup but I took half hour break

[sterile blade]

Power storage to the rescue~

[cyan garnet]

Water towers are unnecessary. Just use pumps IMHO. For coal plants it’s even easier if you build the coal plants at water level so you don’t need pumps at all

[sterile blade]

I'm inclined to believe water towers help some people making pipes behave the way they want/expect them too...
Just a feeling

[cyan moss]

yeah the headlift of gens was like 12m iirc or 3 blocks so gonna just do that, might use 1 pump per line just to make the thing verticle, adapating playstyle to myself more and not gonna rely on tricks for stuff until more experienced

[sullen gull]

10m from the center of the port

[cyan moss]

so 2.5 ok, either way will probably add pump like I said

go up

[sullen gull]

And, doesn't the 'Pipeline manual' suggest towers for ease?

[sacred summit]

Honestly figuring out and adapting to your playstyle is the best way to play imo.
If you tinker and figure it out, you learn to play.
If you just google "best powerplant blueprint," the only thing you learned was how to be really good at following directions.

[cyan moss]

I just use calculator for fuel calculations thats about it

or how many machines to make, setting the building up is part of the fun

[cyan garnet]

Calculators are fine. It’s when you use YouTube guides that step you through everything that you are doing yourself a disservice from learning the mechanics yourself

[sacred summit]

Damn you, finger-pointing guy

[cyan garnet]

haha

[gritty shoal]

trains on a loop or just back and forth

[sullen gull]

Personal preference. Both work

[cyan garnet]

depends. Do you need to run more than one train?

[lament vault]

kinda dumb question but can I have a tractor transporting multiple items and then sort them using a smart splitters?

[cyan garnet]

If it’s an isolated point-to-point connection, a push-pull train going back and forth works fine

But if you are going to need more than one train and more of a network, then it’s much better to do two rails from the start (IMHO)

[cyan garnet]

Yes

[sullen gull]

You could. But managing throughput so that a truck has space for multiple different items can be difficult.

[sacred summit]

Yeah, feels like the payoff for it isn't worth it, imo

[cyan garnet]

You’ll likely need an overflow sink as part of your logistics so that the station doesn’t get stuck unloading if one resource is out supplying (or under consuming)

[sacred summit]

Have devs ever talked about the possibility of setting storage filters on your truck stations, etc.? Or do they consider that whole sort of situation a deliberate "feature" rather than a nuissance to logistics?

[sullen gull]

What would you need that Smart/programmable filters can't do?

[sacred summit]

Have you played Factorio?

[sullen gull]

For all of 20 minutes. Have it in my library, but doesn't scratch the same itch that this does.

[sacred summit]

That's fair, lemme post a picture

[wanton mist]

so guys, I heard about an "optimization update" that came out a couple weeks back. What does that one entail, if there even was one?

[lament vault]

is there a hotkey to fastly move a stack of item to trash

[sullen gull]

Shift moves whole stack, Ctrl moves all similar items

[sacred summit]

In Factorio, you can dedicate slots in wagons, chests, etc. to specific items like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375866538296610918/n9a4q84cbyp81.png

If you could do something similar with your truck/tractor cargo slots, and your truck station slots, you'd be able to to solve it significantly easier by making sure your vehicle never overloaded with a single item, that your truck station wouldn't overfill with a single item, etc.

[naive pendant]

@lament vault Want to say you ctrl click an item type then drag to trash. Something like that.

[sacred summit]

So rather than needing overflow sinks to "fix" an issue with being overloaded with a single item... you just prevent it in the first place.

[lament vault]

thanks

[sacred summit]

It's just a feature I liked, and figured it'd be desirable enough that it would've been mentioned/requested at some point.

[sullen gull]

Ahh. I believe Satisfactory's idea for this would be the use of balancers, and smart/programmable splitters. Ultimately since they are two entriely different games, I can't see a 'feature' like that fitting in with the methods satisfactory provides/allows.

[tall root]

is it a known issue in 1.0 that reloading saves near spawn points causes duplicate spawns?
Killing me 💀

[naive pendant]

@sacred summit Factorio just has a silly amount of quality of life features. The game also includes combinators which lets the player solve problems themselves in more elaborate ways. Satisfactory is what it is. The qol isn’t at the same level which is fine. If you really want a feature request it in the appropriate channels. But otherwise need to accept the game for what it is as you can’t force a feature to be implemented.

[sacred summit]

I wasn't requesting or forcing, I just asked if it was something that'd been requested and commented on before.

[sullen gull]

First I have heard. You are aware that the mobs respawn though unless something powered is placed near their spawn point right?