satisfactory

[mossy phoenix]

Its just very far away

[hybrid crystal]

The hub milestones are arranged in tiers, 0 to 9

[mossy phoenix]

And taking forever to get out to

[robust nymph]

Where are you? Grasslands?

[placid stirrup]

Pog, didn't pay attention to that, well done @stray patio

[stray patio]

No worries haha

[mossy phoenix]

I dont know i started this save like 4 months ago and just got back to it but it appears as such

[robust nymph]

Movement gets much better when you figure out how to slide jump ;)

[stray patio]

is it green?

[hybrid crystal]

Or build blade runners

[mossy phoenix]

Yes

[stray patio]

grasslands then im guessing

[mossy phoenix]

Atm im mostly using the parachute and factory cart to get around

[mossy phoenix]

I have them

[stray patio]

Is the parachute good?

[robust nymph]

To the northwest there is a big crater lake with coal. Imo that’s a great place to build it

[hybrid crystal]

The parachute since U8 is pretty good

[robust nymph]

Situationally

[stray patio]

havent ever used it

[placid stirrup]

You can cheese "climb" with it on certain vertical features

[stray patio]

ill prob try then

[mossy phoenix]

Thats where im going to put it

[stray patio]

its permanent?

[mossy phoenix]

Its just taking forever to build a clear path over there

[robust nymph]

Why would you need a path?

[placid stirrup]

Yes they switched from single use to it being reusable

[hybrid crystal]

Just build Power Towers and zip line

[mossy phoenix]

To run the power poles? So they arent a mess

[robust nymph]

Eh, worry about things being neat later when you have the resources and unlocks you need to be organized :)

You’ll likely reach a point where your coal power for example becomes irrelevant and you’ll want to tear it down to repurpose the coal

[mossy phoenix]

Dang it

I got all the way out to the coal

[robust nymph]

But you do you, I’m not here to tell you how to play the game, that’s just my experience in years of playing this game :)

[mossy phoenix]

And am out of cables

[robust nymph]

Hahahaha, shit happens

[mossy phoenix]

Turns out the gocart may be a bit too fast on ramps

[naive pendant]

DDs beckon

[robust nymph]

What?

[naive pendant]

Dimensional Depots

[vestal mica]

what were you thinking?

[mossy phoenix]

Question does the factory cart usually get caught on the joins between ramps?

[robust nymph]

Oh duh 🤦‍♂️

Been a long day

[robust nymph]

I think the problem is that I’m not XD

[placid stirrup]

Someone else's turn to host the brain cell today

[covert talon]

anyone know what happens when the paste settings dont work on signs? im using the same sign type and its not transferring settings

[placid stirrup]

Try copying again, from within the interface of the sign. Make sure the target sign is actually being highlighted and nothing is in front of it

[robust nymph]

I don’t think I’ve ever used it as an actual way of moving around, so no idea

[leaden turret]

if you paste before the vfx is done completeing it'll possibly not look like it's been pasted

[coarse geode]

is there actually no other way to transport ressources than belts?

[robust nymph]

There are. Quite a few

Tractors. Trucks. Trains.

[leaden turret]

🏭 🏭

[coarse geode]

none of those work

[robust nymph]

Then the problem is you, not the vehicles

[leaden turret]

they might not work for you but they work for plenty of other people

[placid stirrup]

Guess I'm hacking on my save then

[robust nymph]

Show us what you’re doing

Interesting, ask a question, get an answer, dismiss answer with a wildly wrong statement, disappear

[trim vine]

Can you expand on "none of those work"?

[robust nymph]

Gotta love it

[placid stirrup]

CartmanCrashout.gif

[mossy phoenix]

Whats the coal powered generator to coal miner ratios i should go for?

[placid stirrup]

You want the easy guide?

[reef basin]

depends on how much coal does the miner output

[hard ivy]

You can do the math yourself, y'know?

[mossy phoenix]

I just assumed like factorio there was a flat number of miners to generators

[hard ivy]

Even in factorio, there isn't

[mossy phoenix]

Yes there is?

[hard ivy]

Modules, beacons, quality?

[mossy phoenix]

Are way too expensive to make consistant use of and generally just mess up relyable production lines

[digital wadi]

lol you are going to love Satisfactory then 😛

[placid stirrup]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[robust nymph]

Highly depends on the tier of miner and the node purity. Look in the coal gen, look in the miner, divide the number in the miner by the number in the coal gen

[digital wadi]

Basically - the purity of the node, tier of the miner, and speed of the belts effects how many coal generators you can power from one node.

[atomic notch]

People keep comparing this game to factorio idek why.

[hard ivy]

Even if that was true (and I'd say it's not), it doesn't change the fact that factorio miners do not have only a single possible output rate

[robust nymph]

Keep in mind these are schematics, you can lay them out differently as long as the connections work the same way

[robust nymph]

Because these 2 are (some of) the most popular factory games?

[atomic notch]

Same genre thats about it

[digital wadi]

Same reason people compare bands to The Beatles.

[robust nymph]

Is that not enough reason?

[mossy phoenix]

They do unless you go out of your way to mess with them, and there is a reason factorio cheat sheet exists to track production ratios

[digital wadi]

There are cheat sheets for Satisfactory too.

[mossy phoenix]

There is?

[hard ivy]

^

[atomic notch]

Yeah its called satisfactory tools

Or scim or satisfactory modeler. Lots of cheats

[leaden ether]

Tools, lots of tools 🙂

[atomic notch]

Yeah its a singleplayer game what you define as cheating is up to you

[robust nymph]

Wouldn’t call it cheats tbh, yes, you can go hardcore mode with a pen and paper, but I really don’t see why you would

[robust nymph]

There is no cheating in a single player game imo

[atomic notch]

Pen and paper? Nah im good lol

[leaden ether]

Yeah when EEs use board layout tools I don't think anyone calls that cheating 🙂

[robust nymph]

(I say I don’t see why you would, but that is what I did for my first 2 playthroughs. Those were simpler though, both in the first year of EA :p)

[reef basin]

base productivity?

[leaden ether]

I use a LOT of pen andpaper even when using Satisfactory Tools. 🙂

[atomic notch]

Yeah no i generally just plan it all out in my head.

[hard ivy]

And differnt base mining times, forgot about those 2

[atomic notch]

Only times ive used a tool was on servers so peeps can help with the factory otherwise its just a solo operation

[robust nymph]

I love planning my ballistic warp drive factory in my head without making any notes

[atomic notch]

Yeah tons of fun you should try it sometime

Good brain workout

[robust nymph]

What could go wrong right?

[atomic notch]

Up to you lol

[lime ermine]

I literally just go how many of this do I want per minute and I just hold whatever I need for that no planning involved

[vestal mica]

plans are for nerds. i just plop down a manufacturer, set the recipe to ballistic warp drive and see what it needs. then plop down machines for those and see what they need. repeat until working

[lime ermine]

Same!

[atomic notch]

Yeah

[mossy phoenix]

I FINALLY AM ACTUALLY PRODUCING MORE POWER THAN USING

[atomic notch]

Nice

[robust nymph]

Good job :p

[mossy phoenix]

Like 80% of the problem was just making the path there tbh

[robust nymph]

That’s a great way to do it if you want to make 15 separate iron smelting arrays, I guess

[atomic notch]

You can if you want but i generally do it all in one spot

Just ploppin machines down to grab numbers

Check ratios and whatnot

Then i can have an idea of what i need then go from there

[robust nymph]

so you are planning? :p

[atomic notch]

Yeah?

[robust nymph]

oh hold on sorry got your and Lambo's messages mixed up, he said "no planning involved"

[lime ermine]

I do not plan

[vestal mica]

so we have team no plan. team plan in your head. team plan on paper. and team "use a tool and then do paint by numbers with whatever the tool tells me"

[mossy phoenix]

I dont do that last thing

I just like having the flat numbers written out more clearly

[atomic notch]

Team 1% clock speed

[mossy phoenix]

Than trying to go off keeping track of the numbers

[robust nymph]

how about team using modeler to model the chain out yourself, so a hybrid between paper and the last? that's what I do

[robust nymph]

nobody said you do

[mossy phoenix]

Oh i thought that was the implication i was confused

[vestal mica]

i'm just trolling. I'm on all the teams

[atomic notch]

Idk man i been building like this for years so its kinda just an experience thing.

[robust nymph]

fair enough, everyone has their own way to play, and I don't think any can be considered "wrong"

[atomic notch]

A lot of it is just remembering resource ratios

[mossy phoenix]

Btw is there a smart splitter?

[atomic notch]

Ye

[vestal mica]

is there a smarter splitter?

[robust nymph]

yes, sorting items by hand

[mossy phoenix]

How do i unlock it?

[vestal mica]

it's called programmable

[robust nymph]

caterium

[atomic notch]

In the mam

[vestal mica]

what we need now is a smartest splitter. and mathematical proof that it can't be smarter

[atomic notch]

Do i look like a search engine?

[steady glade]

how do yall deal with rails orientation in the blueprint designer?

[mossy phoenix]

I may need to rush that as atm i think my overflow splitters are kindof causing production issues

[robust nymph]

it allows you to filter items and set priority/overflow outputs, but it does not have a functionality for splitting ratios

[robust nymph]

if your manifold is causing issues you are not producing enough items to put into the manifold

[robust nymph]

start the rail from a different positioin

[mossy phoenix]

I do if i want to build things

[robust nymph]

what?

[vestal mica]

I DO IF I WANT TO BUILD THINGS

[robust nymph]

I can read

[mossy phoenix]

To build new machines i need the materials in my invetory

So i have been having overflow splitters just to supply that more easily

[robust nymph]

right, so produce materials and put them in a container?

[mossy phoenix]

I am but its causing issues as those containers are taking most the resources being used to make the smart plating and other higher tier materials and deconstructing and replacing the belts every time i want them to not be filling the containers is getting really obnoxious

[vestal mica]

look on the other side of the container.

[robust nymph]

I mean, if you produce, say, 120 iron plates/m and feed it into a manifold that eats 120 iron plates/m then your overflow splitter either never send anything into storage, or if you prioritize storage over the manifold you will produce less of whatever the manifold feeds into whenever you take something out of storage

[mossy phoenix]

Thats why im rushing smart splitters so i can make that cause less problems

[vestal mica]

it has an output

[mossy phoenix]

Im aware of that but its a pain to fit them in so ive not been using that, tbh i should probably rebuild what i have atm but i havent bothered to yet

[robust nymph]

create a dedicated line for everything you need. create a production line for plates, feed this into storage, and if you need more plates for something else build another production line to feed the new production line making the more advanced item

[hard ivy]

Yeah, that's exactly what I do

[robust nymph]

I think that's what 90% or more of the playerbase does

[mossy phoenix]

Hey how do i access the photo mode images?

[smoky spindle]

Hey guys, is there a way ingame to visually show the world grid whenever you press/hold CTRL while building? I saw it it a yt short, but it won't show for me ingame when I try it. It snaps, but the visual grid network doesn't light up

[mossy phoenix]

I will note litterally all my iron production is in 1 giant web feeding into smart plating

[robust nymph]

go to your game folder and look for the screenshots folder

[brave wasp]

everyone always worries about production rates and math... im over here just making the multiples of 3 and is that enough? calls.

[robust nymph]

for me it is C:\Users\larsv\Documents\My Games\FactoryGame\Screenshots but it might be elsewhere for you

Satisfactory is generally called FactoryGame

[robust nymph]

uh, you still need math to produce a multiple of 3 of any part?

[leaden ether]

I'm assuming that "Factory Game" was their development title till they came up with "Satisfactory" and then for some reason decided not to chage all the folder names to match it. -.-

[smoky spindle]

Also, relevant to this: If I use the world grid snapping, will it always align "properly" in the same 90 degree angles? Or can I somehow mess it up?

[robust nymph]

@steady glade snap the rail to one end of that, then connect to the other. if you want it to be divided in the middle then place a block signal in the middle (this cuts the rail in 2)

#screenshots for who doesn't know what I'm talking about

[robust nymph]

My guess is that's a mod as I've never seen it, but not sure

[robust nymph]

yes it aligns the edges to the 4 cardinal directions

[smoky spindle]

Double thanks, Lars! Have a good one

[hard ivy]

though do keep in mind that it aligns to any of the 4 directions. If you want all to face north, that's gonna require some more effort

[robust nymph]

uh, foundations are rotationally symetrical every 90 degrees?

so it does not matter which direction that the foundation is "facing" as there is no difference?

[hard ivy]

It does. Some things placeable on foundations are placed relative to the foundation. If your foundations aren't all facing the same direction, moving a hologram between foundations can rotate it.
Also, the default foundation texture only has 180° symmetry

[robust nymph]

I mean the hologram thing is a non issue imo

and as for the default texture, yeah, you're right. I just forgot as I never use it :p

[brave wasp]

Hardly... its more just miner to splitter to 3 splitters to 9 of everything then back to 3 of stuff

[robust nymph]

what

do all your factories just run at a random % efficiency? XD

[fresh sky]

Does anyone else have issues loading color presets in the customizer? Like, for my outfit, whenever I save a preset and then try to load it later, no matter what preset I select to load, it just turns me into the same light yellow color.

It also does this with color presets for indicators on the map.

[brave wasp]

they just run until done making their parts basically ya.

[robust nymph]

I mean, there is no wrong way to play the game, but that does feel wrong XD

but hey, you do you

[brave wasp]

What feels wrong is having to come back and expand. Rather have more than less

[hard ivy]

I mean my machines also run at whatever efficiency they feel like. But I build from a Tools plan, just round everything up and leave at 100% speed

[brave wasp]

ya that too... hardly ever overclock

[delicate ocean]

can automated wiring be used for anything other than phase 2

[brave wasp]

ya later it is used

[hard ivy]

other space elevator phases and sink points

[cosmic junco]

later phases

[robust nymph]

most project assembly partss are used to make other project assembly parts

[placid stirrup]

I used the PAPs to make the PAPs

[smoky spindle]

Is it possible to put more than 1 Somersloop into a Constructor, for more than 4x/8x production? Or 1 loop -> 2x production is max?

[placid stirrup]

Nope. Sloops are required at different quantities per machine to achieve the 2x output

[smoky spindle]

Thanks a bunch, then I know 2x is max 😄

[polar leaf]

all initial elevator parts are used to make the more advanced ones

By the way I've been thinking of updating to 1.1, does anyone have any feedback ?

[delicate ocean]

im done with automated wiring and now i need to start working on the 2 remaining items for phase 2

but im too lazy

[tall lantern]

#satisfactory-experimental

an entire channel of it

[vestal mica]

just post it on upwork as a project and see if you can get someone to do it for really cheap

[polar leaf]

Forgot about the existance of that, thanks

[delicate ocean]

i actually enjoy working on that stuff, im just burnt out today lol

[cyan garnet]

Take a break. Or go exploring 😊

The map is huge and beautiful

[vestal mica]

i was probably joking. although now I'm curious what kind of response a satisfactory project on a freelancer site would get

[delicate ocean]

unemployment has to hit hard

to become a satisfactory worker

[jovial oracle]

After making a path for a tractor, there are blue and yellow nodes that show the route and stop zones. They are on the screen, how do I remove them?

Or are they permanent on the screen?

[spark stream]

anyone have a idea for when 1.1 releases cuz i want to start again but i want a new save with all the 1.1 things

[vestal mica]

june 32nd

[spark stream]

impossible

[knotty peak]

Guys, how does the auto-connect of conveyors work? I put the blueprint next to another, but for some reason the lines are not connecting to the splitters. They only connect to the same lines?

[jovial oracle]

Anyone?

[wheat tundra]

Go into the truck menu there is a button you press

[silk rose]

he kinda explainded that in last vid about update

[reef basin]

when it's ready

all info is/will be in #announcements , so better check there rather than asking here

[unkempt blade]

I heard they're waiting for someone to get 10k factory carts running in the same world and then they'll push the release button

[knotty peak]

My English is not very good to watch this video... :c

[mossy phoenix]

Hey i have a question my power is aparently fluxuating massively and im not sure why, i posted a screenshot of the graph in screenshots but for some reason its very consistantly going from basically no power to find every minute or so

[white dawn]

Probably best to open a #1038092680493801533 thread; can inline images in there

(and also the question won't get buried by other chatter)

[unkempt blade]

It looks like you've got what like 8-16 coal gens or so?

[silk rose]

you can actually improve your english a lot by watching vids in english, if this one seems too complicated you can start with entertaining vids those are simpler

[mossy phoenix]

2

[unkempt blade]

and the rest are biofuel?

[vestal mica]

they aren't gettign enough coal and/or water but you should use questions and help so you can show a picture of your setup

[mossy phoenix]

Yes

[unkempt blade]

you're basically going to want to watch your generators and see which one don't have a solid green light on them and those are the ones that are probably not getting consistent fuel or water

[mossy phoenix]

They all seemed to be good

[vestal mica]

the power graph disagrees

[mossy phoenix]

To be specific its 2 coal generators with max overclocks being fueled by 2 a double overclocked miner mark 1 and a double overclocked water pump thing

[polar leaf]

is 80GW overkill for a turbo fuel power plant when you only have mk4 belts and mk2 miners ?

[mossy phoenix]

Its giving 90 coal per minute and using about 70 so it shouldnt be running out of coal

[polar leaf]

using 1920 sulfur and coal p/m, building in the blue crater

[unkempt blade]

are you using mk2 conveyors at least up to the first generator?

[vestal mica]

if its' giving 90 coal per minute, are you using mk2 belts out of the miner?

you need 75, but that will still need mk2

[mossy phoenix]

No

[zenith pecan]

85 constructors to process 10200 SAM, man the beltwork takes up more room than the machine hall.

[vestal mica]

85 sloops on the wall

[hard ivy]

You only need 34 constructors if you overclock all of them. So 34 sloops

[vestal mica]

there you go. 34 sloops and 162 power shards or whatever the math works out to

[flint aspen]

Where should I build a trophy room for my server with my friends?

Overlooking the spire coast maybe?

[grizzled lotus]

I want to transfer different materials from the same location. I could use different freight cars, or I could use one freight with the different stuff. I suppose I could use programmable splitters. Thoughts?

[hard ivy]

mixing different items on one belt is generally a bad idea, unless you really know what you're doing

also, I always use different trains for differnt items. not just different wagons

makes logistics easier

[white dawn]

Yeah, depends on your comfort with sushi belts (ie: belts with more than one kind of item on them), plus the rates that you need to support

Keeping one train car per item type is definitely the more straightforward way to go

Though sushi deliveries can work if you're careful

If you do use sushi deliveries from trains, make sure to have some comfortable headroom in the freight car once the route is set up, and include an ISC as a buffer after every item sort (and be sure to Overflow at every splitter step, eventually heading to a sink)

Once you're used to it, it's pretty easy, but it is Another Thing To Learn™. :)

[lament vault]

would it be worth using tractors to transport items from my steel factory to my main hub area? I just unlocked steel and I don't feel like traveling over a kilometer to get parts for upgrades

or should I just use belts?

[hollow pelican]

funely enough i have bought a 3D printer and the first thing i printed was the FICSIT chekmark logo

[peak wasp]

So do you guys use steam cloud?

[white dawn]

Yeah, tractors are lovely. They do take some getting used to, so there'll probably be some frustration as you get used to them. They are great tools, to have, though.

(I mean, you can also just use belts instead if you want, but personally I don't like having longish belts on my worlds)

I'll just give two bits of advice for tractors:

1. They work best on the map's "natural" roads. IMO don't bother spending time building manual roads for them. That does restrict the kind of routes you can take, but it's worth it IMO.
2. If, after recording a path, you see a blue "pause" node on the path (which can happen if you stop somewhere for a few seconds), delete it. (You can walk up to nodes and delete them). Blue pause nodes have some bugs which can make vehicles get stuck there forever. The yellow ones which show up at stations are fine.

[mossy phoenix]

How do i load the carts

[unkempt blade]

Something about using coal as both vehicle fuel and cargo just appeals to me. Even with some coal being used that would otherwise make parts I enjoy it

[unkempt blade]

drive under a truckstop and pause for a moment

[mossy phoenix]

I dont have truckstop yet

[unkempt blade]

should be something on the vehicle you can use that opens its cargo then

[leaden ether]

Huh, so boosting a resource well pressurizer does not increase the output of the extractors?

Oh uh you have to delete and re-place the extractor before it works I guess...

[polar leaf]

How are the conveyor belts powered

[leaden ether]

Magic

[polar leaf]

Why does one power pole consume 1MW of energy

[unkempt blade]

canonically it's love and friendship but I assume there are tiny hamsters inside

[polar leaf]

best answer yet 😂

[leaden ether]

I guess technically they leach off of the machines they are attached too, just don't worry about the fact that they move when unattached to anything (Which really, how hard would it have been to code them to not?)

[elder apex]

actually, pretty bad, because you would have to check the entire length of the belt for any object on them, or you would have to reference count objects joining and leaving the belt

[white dawn]

Yeah, I do that pretty frequently (though the majority of my vehicles get switched over to packaged fuel once I've got that)

[elder apex]

and when you multiply that by the number of objects and length of belts it would be unnecessarily expensive for the CPU

[leaden ether]

You'd only need to check whatever is attached to either end of the belt. If one belt is powered it would power the next etc, like strings of christmass lights 🙂

[elder apex]

each portion of the belt is it's own object and would have to be dealt with as such, but the entire belt would need to run if an object is on any part of the entire length of the belt, since the belt extends along the top for it's entire length before wrapping around to the bottom

[leaden ether]

ANd you'd only need to check once as the belt come into view, it would be trivial.

Well no I take that back, it would oonly need to be chected as the belt was placed.

THen the graphics engine would need to check that stored vale for each belt only once when coming into view

In the end it's just another bit flag along with the others attached to every object to store it's static state.

[elder apex]

oh, so you are stating once the belt has started it would stay running, not that the belt would stop again should it become empty

[leaden ether]

Right. I mean I guess the real argument against it is it would only mean anything for a short period of time after placing some belts before connecting to a macine. (Though now that I think about it, stopping the belt movement if you power off the factory or machine would be nice, and a bit more coding)

[elder apex]

with slow production time items like nuclear pasta combined with fast belts like the mk5 and mk6 there could easily be periods of time where a short output belt would have nothing on it

[cyan garnet]

Dimensional depot, dawg

[zenith pecan]

After taking time to see if I could #screenshots message , I never thought about whether or not I should, what the blazes will I use the resulting 2550 reanimated SAM for 🤦‍♂️

[hard ivy]

Ficsonium

[elder apex]

make a new reality show about it called "What in the SAM Hill is going on?"

[zenith pecan]

It does let me rebuild my fluctuator line with just a single overclocked manufacturer, from one out of seventeen machine groups, so there is that.

[potent berry]

Reason for the emotes "GOD HEARS"
It is what Sam is in Hebrew 😊

Maybe ADA hears it then ? 😱 You better use that Sam for something good.

[placid stirrup]

@potent berry nice pfp update 🙂

[potent berry]

Ahhh Thank-Q 😊 google told me what pfp was.

[atomic notch]

Lol

[potent berry]

Remember: i am a Boomer, 40yo, i don't keep up with all the "slang" and words with single letters 🤣

[zenith pecan]

Once I have my fluctuators back, it looks like I'll be doing a whole lot of matter conversion and get some singularity cells up, I might as well try that start trek thingy.

Next tunnel project, collect all the bauxite because why not.

[placid stirrup]

K np alg cuz
(I'm 30 and the brain rot has fully taken over but I understand)

[zenith pecan]

It does take about ten minutes to travel the length of the SAM supply chain from the processing facility to its most distant mine.

[potent berry]

But i will head off chat now 🥱 Goodnight Pioneers. Sleep well when time comes ❤️

[atomic notch]

Sleep? Oh yeah forgot about that

[potent berry]

I am an old PC with HHD. My reboot takes some time. 🤪

[atomic notch]

Real

[potent berry]

And my boot floppy disk is dusty

[zenith pecan]

Ahh blergh,12.300 bauxite on the map, I'd best start planning the highway.

[atomic notch]

My shits runnin on analog. Gears and whatnot

[zenith pecan]

It seems my early access save only used half that, yeah big oof.

[south sinew]

need to use a hypercannon there

[zenith pecan]

@oblique cape That node is in a cave, accessed from the south #screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

The tunnel snakes all over the map, it isn't really practical to cannon its length.

[placid stirrup]

50 entrance tube it is then

[south sinew]

you can cannon all the way into a jelly I think for any length

[jaunty jewel]

have fun

[zenith pecan]

My old bauxite highway thankfully was on the correct lattitude, it just means I'll be moving way more due to pures being able to be fully exploited.

[sullen gull]

You'd be a millennial, not a boomer 😏

[sullen gull]

Mines the long run through the middle. Comes in a drops down at the top right of the second image: #screenshots message

[hallow flicker]

“Ok, millennial” doesn’t roll off the tongue as nice though…

[red moth]

Hello! Im a new Pioneer who is looking for some help or guidance through my base and on specific parts that can improve. Any tips could help, or a discord call could work and I could show you what I have at the moment. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

(For reference, I just finished Tier 3)

[naive pendant]

@red moth People like helping with base design stuff but much fewer people like to discord call. #1038092680493801533 for pics, more details is a good idea.

[red moth]

I understand, just... Idk how to describe my base other than "mildly efficient."

[dusky relic]

Would there be a tech support channel?

Or is that #1038092680493801533

[peak wasp]

so question here

[red moth]

Im thinking that's the more tech support. There are some people there asking for in game questions, but they're alot further ahead than I am.

[peak wasp]

underclocking is it acceptable to do in satisfactory?

[hard ivy]

Why would it not be?

[peak wasp]

like this recipe asks for 10 rods

[dusky relic]

Encouraged actually

[hard ivy]

Nah

[dusky relic]

to keep a factory efficient

[peak wasp]

a machine normally makes 15 rods a minute...so I put it down to 67% so it makes 10.5 rods

[hard ivy]

Unless you build significantly more machines, it saves like a few % power. Insignificant

[red moth]

Doesn't that cause backing?

[dusky relic]

As long as inputs are equal to what the machine needs

it'll be okay

[peak wasp]

well according to this chart.

[red moth]

but then the output of the earlier maching is greater than the input requirement.

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[atomic notch]

who else rembers green power slugs

[dusky relic]

Yes, you absolutely should underclock

[leaden turret]

pepperidge farm remembers

[dusky relic]

Only overclock if you feel you need to really

[red moth]

oh its for smart plater

plating

[hard ivy]

Obligatory SCIM slander - their production planner is not great. Before you get used to it, I suggest you find something actually good

[dusky relic]

Also you can put in ratios in the machine

[peak wasp]

?

[dusky relic]

So you can put "2/3" in the percentage and it'll go to 66.66%

Instead of it making 10.5, it can be a straight 10

[hard ivy]

Which is never

[dusky relic]

For fuel factories its okay

[peak wasp]

wait I can just put directly how much I need into the machine?

[dusky relic]

yes

Under the percentage, theres a box for direct amounts

[peak wasp]

because the target production rate thing is a text field

that's so cool

[dusky relic]

indeed

[placid stirrup]

69.420% on every machine

[atomic notch]

that would be a funny run

[dusky relic]

It would just go to 69.42 percent anyway

[red moth]

nah flip the numbers

maximum efficiency

[placid stirrup]

Username checks out

[dusky relic]

indeed

[hard ivy]

42.069% then

Unless someone can mod 420.69%

[peak wasp]

so this recipe says I need two screw machines but instead I put in a power shard

[dusky relic]

Be careful

[atomic notch]

could do splits

[gray ermine]

Can I get some merger help?

I have a iron mine producing 75/m and it’s running mk2 conveyors to my foundry pulling 112/m I have a 2nd iron mine that is producing 45/m and I tried to merge my iron mines into 1 mk2 conveyor and it wasn’t filling up to the 120 or can carry

[dusky relic]

Power shard increase the power usage a lot

[peak wasp]

which brought me up to 75 screws and i needed 74 screws

[dusky relic]

Its exponential

[hard ivy]

34% more per item at 250% is not a lot

[peak wasp]

that's fine I am at 300mw early game

[dusky relic]

Thats it?

I thought it was way more

[peak wasp]

I am using at max consumption 49.1mw out of my 300mw

[red moth]

the first iron farm is gonna be more prone to backlog, so I'd advise trying to split them into even amounts before merging them together.

[atomic notch]

yeah dude underclocking early game makes it so much faster

[hard ivy]

I did say per item. At 250%, it draws 3.35 times more power but makes items 2.5 times faster. 1.34 times more per item

[peak wasp]

so underclocking...does it make me use less power?

[gray ermine]

I’m still new so excuse my ignorance, so you’re saying break the first one into 2 lanes and then merge all 3 into 1?

[atomic notch]

yeah

[peak wasp]

will underclocking some machines make up for my overclocking 1?

[dusky relic]

I did catch that dw, just still thought itd be more

[peak wasp]

does the power ratio work in reverse?

[dusky relic]

Underclocking only saves power linearly, so not really

[hard ivy]

it's still exponential. But just like with overclocking the difference is small, it's also small when underclocking

[dusky relic]

ahh

[red moth]

im new as well, but I believe merging 75 and 45 will make the 75 backup faster.

Im thinking you split the 45 into 3 15's, add one of them to the 75 to make 90, then split that into 3 30's. combine the other 15's, and then merge 2 30's at a time, then merge the 2 60's.

[peak wasp]

so in order to use the same machine's output on two machines a splitter would be fine?

[dusky relic]

yes

[peak wasp]

and can I merge the output of two smelters with a merger and combine them into one belt I can split off later?

[dusky relic]

As long as your conveyors can handle it

Absolutely

[peak wasp]

alright

okay so this should be fine

#screenshots message

[dusky relic]

Yes it would

If you do that with more machines, you start creating a manifold

[placid stirrup]

In some cases you don't need to merge then split, you can direct belt into the next machine if the input == output of the previous machine

[peak wasp]

indeed but in this case I needed a output of 46.5

so I left the first smelter at the default of 30 and the other machine at 16.5

merged it together then split it into the machines it needed to feed

[dusky relic]

You could just clock the machines so it can be straight

But this works too

[peak wasp]

nice and now I need two assemblers

three assemblers

[dusky relic]

@cold glen please tell me that is intentional and not what you felt you needed to do to make to work

[peak wasp]

one for a rotors, the other for reinforced iron plates and the last one to make smart plates

[dusky relic]

Yep

Do you have factories for those?

[cold glen]

LMAO. tbh i am more into the math and efficency side of things. I am not good with creativity and or making things look nice

[placid stirrup]

Please mark NSFW for gore next time

[peak wasp]

I can build some...basically my goal is to feed this stuff into one line that makes smart plates

[cold glen]

so therefore i dont try

[dusky relic]

You could feed me for a year with the amoung of spaghetti there

[peak wasp]

wait did south mean things were two neat in my factory that he made spaghetti

[dusky relic]

No, he posted a mess of a factory in #screenshots

[cold glen]

cmon that one isnt that bad 😂

its a factory for a reason, not a centerpiece 😂

[peak wasp]

so I made this thing... #screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

For some eyebleach
#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

I basically said screw it splitters are fun

[cold glen]

hold on i think i have some worse ones

[dusky relic]

Yes, thats a manifold!

#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

oh cool it works well for taking all the raw iron and giving it to the smelters that need it

[atomic notch]

dude ur gonna be amazing at this game, i also reinvented the manifold on my first run

[dusky relic]

They are space efficent... but take a while for a factory to "start-up"

[cold glen]

youll love this next one

[placid stirrup]

The helpful mnemonic is when you're tired of trying to load balance everything, you say, "man, I fold"

[dusky relic]

oh no

wtf 😭

[placid stirrup]

It's bad but I'm not throwing up yet

[cold glen]

Half of mine i gave up half i tried to make look ok lol

let me see if i have a worse one

[peak wasp]

what happens if I put a splitter right at the exit of a constructor?

[atomic notch]

im stealing this

[hard ivy]

You can't

[dusky relic]

Let me pull up the factory I made 2 days ago

[atomic notch]

its splits

u totally can tf?

[hard ivy]

You need a piece of belt between them

[atomic notch]

well i figured that was a given

lift would be better anyway imo

[dusky relic]

It splits into the paths

#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

Not to some people. On the subreddit, every few weeks there's someone asking if you can bypass belt speed limits by connecting a splitter directly to a machine

[peak wasp]

okay I did a thing

#screenshots message

[dusky relic]

Is there a conveyor between those 2?

[atomic notch]

this guys been doin pretty good so far

[dusky relic]

You'll still need a conveyor there

otherwise it wont connect

[placid stirrup]

Steal away haha, glad you enjoy it

[atomic notch]

obv theres screws comin out

[peak wasp]

yep figured out the converyer it needed 😄

[dusky relic]

oh true 😭

[peak wasp]

now I just need one last assembler

[dusky relic]

Looks great bud

[peak wasp]

and I will have smart plating

oh no I am out of cable

[hard ivy]

For smart plating (and most other space elevator parts) you can just place a single machines and give it items yourself. And only enough to make what the elevator asks for. Because the space elevator parts are basically useless until you want to complete the next phase

[peak wasp]

wait so i am building this thing for nothing?

[dusky relic]

Well delete the last item

Now its 1 motor and 1 reinforced plate factory

[hard ivy]

You'll have smart plating for the next phases ready 🤷

And you can sink it for points

[atomic notch]

and you can send in a massive belt loop around the map

whatever u want man

[dusky relic]

@cold glen thats horrifying

[peak wasp]

fair enough

[hard ivy]

And you can fill a hole with dropped smart plating too

[dusky relic]

The really only choice

[cold glen]

Its beautiful isnt it

[placid stirrup]

Personally I prefer to not automate SE parts for phase 1 and 2, but it's good practice to automate what you can.

[peak wasp]

so I am curious can I put signs on containers?

[atomic notch]

yes

[peak wasp]

like I wanna say put a sign on a big container that says....rotors

[atomic notch]

the radiation damage is like the cherry on top

[peak wasp]

and let it fill up

[placid stirrup]

Girl, bye

[peak wasp]

oh can I show off my power grid?

I collect leaves and put them into that box at the end

#screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

That is indeed a biomass plant

[peak wasp]

Indeed it makes the power I need to do stuff

[cold glen]

also i just have 4 warp drives left before im finished with the game

[placid stirrup]

Just don't be like that guy that posted the ending spoilers in #screenshots

[cold glen]

My factories might tell a different story but im not stupid lol

[dusky relic]

Looks good @peak wasp

[placid stirrup]

Just gotta make sure haha

[dusky relic]

If you swapped the left sides machines and splitters, and merged those with the splitters next to them,

[peak wasp]

Tyvm 🙂

[dusky relic]

You can make them all go off one conveyor belt

[peak wasp]

I was actually thinking about that too

I was like why didn't I do that

[dusky relic]

hell yeah

[peak wasp]

I like how I decided to build up and make my own platforms

[dusky relic]

wdym?

[peak wasp]

Like these foundations are far above the ground

I built up and made my own factory floor

So I am curious...can I stack splitters

[placid stirrup]

Very common and attractive technique! Ada will be redundant in the near future 😛

[peak wasp]

Like have a iron line, put a copper line right above it and stack the splitters above each other

[placid stirrup]

Try it

FAFO OP

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

would this be a good idea?

#screenshots message say I am feeding in iron and coal to make steel

I could have iron on the bottom belt and coal on the top belt

[placid stirrup]

Does it look clean/do you like it?

[peak wasp]

It looks clean yes and it seems to work

[dusky relic]

It works, if you like it then its great

[placid stirrup]

Then be proud of your idea!

[peak wasp]

So I am gonna go clean up dinner... So if I make more smart plates then needed can I put them into the awesome sink?

[placid stirrup]

Or store them for future use (my suggestion)

[dense violet]

sure but you'll also need a bunch for later yeah

[placid stirrup]

After a few tiers/research you'll be able to do both 😁

[peak wasp]

Okay sounds good to me

[rapid wren]

it's very satisafactory to finally get the sloop into the constructor

ALL THE DNA!!

[placid stirrup]

Don't forget to sloop da slugs

[rapid wren]

yeah that too

what else

[placid stirrup]

PAPs, if you can afford it

[rapid wren]

what's that

[placid stirrup]

Project Assembly parts

[rapid wren]

yeah i will if i need them in a hurry

[peak wasp]

I wonder how the multi-tool works.

We only ever see the big red button get used for building and deconstructing, and underneath its lever can scan for useful resources

Maybe we can infer that the big red button only deconstructs when the tool is held sideways? Either that or the pioneer decides to hold it gangster-style for fun

[placid stirrup]

Pioneer is definitely gangster in my head canon
#satisfactory message

[peak wasp]

Tiers 3 and 4 baby

[placid stirrup]

I'm not a baby 😔

[dusky relic]

woot woot

[golden warren]

How do I use a hypertube branch?
I can't seem to come out fo the side channel (Making a hypertube cannon with it?)

[cyan garnet]

Press E to switch to the branch when approaching it

[golden warren]

Ohh ok,

Like approaching when I'm already in the tube?

#screenshots message
This is how it looks, pressing E seems to do nothing tho.
Have I set it up wrong?

Hm, I guess it's cos I'm not getting enough 'time' after the last hop into the pipe, since it only lasts less than a second?

[cyan garnet]

TotalXclipse has some 1.1 launcher designs you could look at https://youtu.be/OmSTnv6gdN0?si=aT0-6GZOMoDMw527

[dense violet]

might be more peopel who know in #satisfactory-experimental

[vagrant shoal]

Why do all my Storage containers and Foundations look like checkers boards? I am not runnning experimental

[peak wasp]

made some adjustments to my power system

#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

got me some sulfer

[atomic notch]

im workin on upgrading power rn

[peak wasp]

so...uh

is this compacted coal thing actually useful?

[steel sluice]

Sometimes 😇

[sullen gull]

Will be used for making things like Turbo fuel, and can also be used as a longer burning fuel for coal burners

[peak wasp]

oh okay

[rapid wren]

i really don't like the 3-tier blueprint stages

need 3 whole sets of blueprints....

every guide needs to take into accound if it's t1 or 2/3

[dense violet]

depends
one of hte ok trubo fuel recipes uses it - but apart from that it's usually a less optimal choice

for burning in coal gen all the recipe does is turn sulfur into more coal (effectively)

[peak wasp]

ah okay

[dense violet]

are you replicating each BP in each of hte sizes?

[peak wasp]

well this is my sitation

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

ok?

[peak wasp]

do I even need to make compacted coal

[dense violet]

not unless yo uwant to. Bottom right corner is a good place for steel. Somewhat for power but you'll need to build in floors

if you're looking for power I'd go west, coal next to an inlet

[peak wasp]

interesting...yeah this area over here seems really overpowered

[sullen gull]

You would want to make at least a little bit for MAM research in Sulfur if you want to pursue that.

[peak wasp]

I haven't found myself wanting for anything that wasn't close by

[peak wasp]

already unlocked a lot of sulfur

[rapid wren]

no, the 3-stage BP tiers turns me off from using the system

[split prairie]

anyone knows what causes and if theres a fix for ores looking blurry on belts?

[sullen gull]

Can try turning off upscaling if on I believe.

[latent prawn]

it is caused by the gfx driver's upscaling and temporal interpolation. if you turn it off, it is a perf hit but should remedy that

[split prairie]

i forgot to mention its not all ores on all belts, just a few rare ones. seems to happen mostly after coming out of conveyor lifts

[sullen gull]

I haven't personally had it happen, I have just read the same that @latent prawn stated is all.

[split prairie]

i have amd fsr on upscaling but im not really sure its active since im running on native resolution

[latent prawn]

really it is more the direction of the motion on your 2-d viewing panel

all motion actually does it somewhat, our perception of motion that isn't predictable is just much worse 😄

i.e. the game isn't broken, our brains are

[split prairie]

dont think thats it, the ore looks jagged, im looking at two lanes beside each other, one has this other is normal

it only happens when its moving, when the belt is stopped it looks normal

[sullen gull]

Have you tried turning it off and then on again? 😏

[split prairie]

almost like the ore is shaking on the belt

[latent prawn]

what's happening is the graphics driver is upscaling the image and using the past several rendering frames to provide additional resolution to the upscaled image. often times it is unnoticeable, but sometimes it looks really icky

[sullen gull]

Would "frame generation" do that? Also, there is a motion blur option? 🤔

[latent prawn]

the reason why it is done is that it is much less work to render a frame at 1920x1080 and upscale it to 4k with temporal image data than to render completely in 4k

[split prairie]

seems like its Temporal AA that causes this

with FXAA problem goes away

[latent prawn]

yep

nvidia's dlss also does it

[split prairie]

oh, its the default AA with amd FSR. so even if im at native resolution the AA would cause this

[latent prawn]

you can also twiddle the frame rate at which belts are redrawn. you might find a setting with that that makes it less noticeable/distracting for you. very personal preference on that all

my general feeling about it is that if it isn't so bad on the rendering that i can't percieve what is happening, i don't care too much, but yeah, it can look pretty bad at times. another solution though is to just start using the faster belts... on an mk6 everything is kind of a blur anyway 😄

[split prairie]

it rarelly happens and most of these i dont even cross again, so not really a problem. its only really noticeable when im close to it

[split prairie]

yeah, still on mk3 but mostly still use mk1 or mk2 so on mk1 it bothers a bit when youre setting up the belts

[latent prawn]

yeah, the lower speed belts can look pretty funky, no argument there. mk4+ belts just move fast enough that you kind of don't care anymore in my experience

[boreal musk]

it bothers me at first, now i just get used to it

[sacred summit]

Oh, hey! Another opportunity for me to complain about the blueprint system 😅

[leaden ether]

Yeah they should have just made a single blueprint machine get larger and larger. THe really annoying thing is, if you make a blueprint on the #1 machine, you can't load it into #2 or 3. So you have to remember which machine you used do reload something 😛

[sullen gull]

You can place them.

[dense violet]

how come?

[atomic notch]

yoo im at 69,000mw

[broken thorn]

Now we're talking

[cursive crane]

Its been a bit since I've designed a bp, but I believe the way around that was just to place old blueprints from lower mk designers into the newest one you have and resaving it, then just never bother with the smaller ones Lol

[atomic notch]

just finished turbo fuel now i can work on other stuffs

#screenshots message

[leaden ether]

Heh I can't believe I hadn't thought of that -.-

[leaden ether]

Yeah, I'll do that next time it comes up, thanks 🙂

[rapid wren]

every blueprint i make will be worse then i can make next tier

[atomic notch]

just make it upgradeable then

[dense violet]

ah so the same argument about mk1 belts vs higher mk belts.
every mk1 belt system you make will be less good than higher mks

makes sense

[atomic notch]

mk1 lift with mergers /splitters would be fine for smelters

[merry kettle]

Remember: Smaller blueprints can reduce the amount of work you do creating -temporary- factories, as well, and also they can make it easier to deconstruct afterwards.

[atomic notch]

then just edit it when u got better belts

[dense violet]

even small bps that are 1 machine with all the inputs hooked up are useful. Pretending size is the only thing that makes a bp quality

and you can create mk3 BPs in mk1 machines by just breaking it up in 2 or more components. becomes 2 clicks.

[merry kettle]

I use all three blueprint machines depending on the purpose, because the different amount of available space helps me approach problems differently. Also you can standardize various things; like my infrastructure pieces are always 5x5 blueprints, my factory exteriors are done in 6x6 (typically in multiple pieces), and then the factory internals are usually done in 4x4.

[sullen gull]

Out of curiosity, when you refer to 'infrastructure'?

[dense violet]

I mean, I'll still keep making small bps in a mk3 just because there's no negative for it, but nothing wrong wit hthat either

[merry kettle]

Rail lines, highways, belt/pipe buses

[rapid wren]

sure, but blueprints are nice to share between people and saves, and i would not be able to use my big BP until i get to late game.

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok, duh.

[dense violet]

you can share small ones >.>

and you can still build mk3 bps when you only have mk1 bp machines unlocked

you can download BPs that were made with modded machines that are 22 foundations across and build them with only mk1 machines unlocked

[merry kettle]

For those of y'all who use trucks, do you use truck stations in series or in parallel? I recently switched from parallel to series, and I'm loving the throughput (2400 items per station no problem, whereas trains get super iffy over 1600), but not loving the amount of sorting I need to do when stuff finally arrives.

[dense violet]

paralel, if trucks move past other stations they'll exchange stacks

[sacred summit]

WHAAAT!? 😮

[dense violet]

and the throughput will depend on distances and number of trucks

[merry kettle]

Yeah, doing things this way just means lots of sorting at the end because you cannot depend on things being divided out.

[dense violet]

are you trying to have 1 truck service multiple stations?

[merry kettle]

But! You can re-use the path so it's very easy to add more trucks. Parallel means a new path every time you add something new

[merry kettle]

A convoy of trucks servicing multiple stations, yeah

[dense violet]

eh, much simpler just having the stations in the same spots but turned 90 degrees and just having dedicated trucks

same throughput, less sorting

[merry kettle]

I started doing this after building a factory that produced 8 items and didn't want to run 8 different paths back. Built some sorting blueprints and it works pretty well. Then I went overboard and dumped 32,000 unsorted items per minute at a megafactory, which ... well, I got it all sorted and consolidated, but the frame rate did not like the sorting megastructure that required at all, lol

[sacred summit]

I can't answer for them, but I can answer for myself. Lemme preface this by saying, I'm coming from Factorio, DSP & COI, so it's comparing this system with the one I know. This system feels overly clunky, overly burdensome, the least "beneficial" and "time-saver" mechanic of all the above. Everything I built of any complexity, I could've - quite literally - built that workflow to the same magnitude (i.e. same ppm, etc.), in multiples by the time I've found a way to force-fk the design into the little box of the MkI BPD.

[merry kettle]

Are you building all-in-one factories? Iron ingots in, motors out, for example?

[sacred summit]

I appreciate that they found a way to fit the mechanic and aesthetic into the overall "theme" of the game, but it was done so (IMO) at the expense of friendliness and usability.

[sacred summit]

Yep. Not anything of ridiculous magnitude either. I'm talking like... 4 Smart Plating per minute.

Which, again, is just how I came into the game having used blueprints in every one of those other titles - why I felt it was important to preface my thoughts with that.

[dense violet]

again I would compare that to arguing not liking mk1 belts because mk6 exist. Which is an opinion. I'm just not going to put much value to it. Like not liking the colour red

[sacred summit]

That analogy would fit, if mk1 belts could only stretch 1 meter.

[merry kettle]

I did that for a while. Now my typical blueprint is, say, a vertical stack of four constructors which are wired and with the splitters and joiners already made.

[dense violet]

they have a much smaller throughput - can do less
mk1 bp machines are smaller - can fit less

[sacred summit]

And their throughput is sufficient for their tier

[dense violet]

and you're right it's not a good analogy, but because you can chain mk1 bps to do the same thing.
where as you need entirely new belt systems with mk1 belts

[dense violet]

mk1 bp machines are sufficient for their tiers

[sacred summit]

Wnat to make your mk1 to mk6 belt not be ignorant? Imagine mk1 had a throughput of about 5pm and would've even fit the basic iron rod workflow to max capacity.

You would feel crippled by that

[dense violet]

You can just not like something as a subjective thing. that's fine. But these are bad arguments.

[sacred summit]

It would feel pointless

It would feel slightly like "What's the fucking point, I'll just wait until I get Mk2 so I can actually make use of that mechanic"

[sacred summit]

It's a bad argument because of the cardinal sin of being an opinion different to your own.

[merry kettle]

When you get Mk2+ blueprint machines: Who'd have thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?

[sacred summit]

Yeah, that's sort of what I've taken to doing - in order to actually GET any use of it.

I suppose it is a bit of a time saver by doing that. Minimally, but it's something at least.

[merry kettle]

Pretty sure that's what the designers actually intended it to be used for, lol, rather than my early blueprint monstrosities of massively underclocked machines I could tile across everything

[sullen gull]

Kinda just sounds like a skill issue wanting to be corrected by wanting this game to be like others 🤷‍♂️

[sacred summit]

I know this might shatter that sense of superiority that you're trying to foster there, but no one has called the system complicated... or confusing... or that they can't use it. Using it as intended just feels 3 millimeters shy of wasted time. But if you want to call that skill issue, sure.

It's not like it requires some Einsteinian intellect to use, home skillet. 😂

[atomic notch]

blueprint shmuprint, whatever man

[reef basin]

people often compare SF with Factorio, while the two games are very far apart, and basically only share the genre

[sacred summit]

I agree, with sort of an asterisk. I think, holistically, they are far more similar than different. To oversimplify a bit, I'd say they're 80% the same, 20% different, but that 20% really matters.

I definitely don't think they're as similar as some of the others in the genre.

[mossy phoenix]

is there a relyable way to find mycelium early game?

[sullen gull]

Head to the blue crater, and look for caves. Pretty abundant around those areas.

[steel sluice]

Blueprints left me pretty cold too for most of my first 900 hours. I've made best use with finicky detailed bits and architectural elements and individual pre-wired machines

I can't seem to move myself away from designing "bespoke" factories every time but it's not the fastest

[atomic notch]

shrooms man

they got the mycelia

[sacred summit]

Meant to respond to this... my bad. Yeah, I agree. Once you accept that it's not supposed to be used the way basically every other blueprint mechanic in every other game in the genre is, you can start getting that bit of use out of it.

[pallid hearth]

Does anyone know how to or a guide to set up the dedicated server from wolveix

[leaden ether]

Tight as an IC chip layout 🙂 #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

You can try to ask in #dedicated-servers

[pallid hearth]

Thanks!

[deft axle]

Is AFK-ing kinda cheating?

[sullen gull]

How do you mean?

[sacred summit]

Absolutely beautiful!

Felt the "walkways and pathing" in my soul, btw... 🤣

[sullen gull]

Leaving the game running while it makes parts?

[deft axle]

Yes

I know it’s not actually cheating but it feels like it

I don’t know if I should do it

[sullen gull]

Heh, doubtful. Many, including myself, run dedicated servers of their own for that purpose.

[deft axle]

Idk it’s making the progression go really fast lol

[sullen gull]

Personal view I guess.

[sacred summit]

I think the better question is.... "It's a coop, non-PvP title... even if it is "cheating," who gives AF?"

Who are you cheating? Me?

[deft axle]

You guys are misunderstanding I’m not questioning the morality or if it’s actually a cheat, I’m kinda wondering if it ruins the prog of the game

[sullen gull]

The beauty of this game is that one can play however their hearts desire.

[sullen gull]

I mean, nothing 'game related' imo.

[sacred summit]

OOH... In just my own personal opinion, I feel like it would've ruined a bit of the tier/phase progression for me... just because it takes away some of the need/benefit of scaling up.

But that's just for me.

[deft axle]

Yeah I mean I have 3 storage crates full of stacks of Reinforced Iron Plates and last night I was desperate for 10 of them lol

A bit of a broken method

[sullen gull]

For me, I consider it like a semi-living world that's always churning and I can pop in at any time.

[reef basin]

more like goes against what the game is supposed to be

if you need to afk to have materials, instead automate more of those materials, because there's a high chance that you'll need more of them in the future as well, and you'd need to afk again and again, more likely for longer periods

[sacred summit]

Yeah, I can see that.

[deft axle]

Well I don’t AFK during time that I would be playing, I AFK overnight so it’s max efficiency. I learned the AFK over night strat from Minecraft lol

But I do agree it does slightly undermine the point of making more and more efficient factories

[reef basin]

at that point it's practically equal to spawning new items in

[deft axle]

😂😂

[sullen gull]

Lies! 😏

[deft axle]

Idk I downloaded the game on Friday night and I’m already T4 almost T5 😟

[reef basin]

but I'm not saying if it's good or bad, that's for you to decide 🙂

[deft axle]

Idk if that’s normal especially for first time player

[sullen gull]

That's pretty good honestly.

[sacred summit]

If you and I both play for 2 hours a day... and we want to end up "at the same place," if you can AFK, and I can't... I need to scale up about 12 times as much as you to keep up, because you'll keep generating the other 22 hours, whereas I'll need to generate that 24 hours worth of material in 2.

So just weigh that for yourself. Do you want to have to make facilities that are bigger by multiples, or are you happy to just progress without that pressure.

[sullen gull]

Some [Many] seem to start loosing it or get 'burn-out' going into phase 4 it seems.

[finite cave]

would it be better to use belts or trains transporting long distance nodes, for example i want to take all the coal from northern desert or whatever its called and bring it to grasslands. would it be better to use trains or belt highway

[reef basin]

"better" is defined by you and you only

[sullen gull]

Lol, I was trying to figure out the best way to say just that. Cheers lol.

[finite cave]

well makes sense lol i shouldve worded it a little better. i shouldve asked are trains more or less efficient

for long distance transfer

[reef basin]

that depends what do you mean by "efficient" 🙂

that word is thrown around so much and every person means something different with it

game defines efficiency as "% of time a machine is running", which I guess isn't what you're talking about

[finite cave]

sorry is hard to word out but makes sense in my mind

[reef basin]

from pure mathematical view, anything but a belt is a waste of fuel/energy, since belts are free

[sacred summit]

I assume you mean "which has a higher throughput"? I.E. "which delivers more unit per minute"

[finite cave]

yes thats what i mean

[sullen gull]

My guess is it would depend on how much power you ave available, what's your throughput requirements, is it really necessary; could you just build local? All sorts of questions that are specific to an individual and their goals and aspirations.

[reef basin]

from throughput view, any form of transport is capped by belts anyway

[finite cave]

because belts are limited by resource/min, i want to use trains instead

[reef basin]

well, trains are still fed by belts

[sacred summit]

Touche.

[reef basin]

it's really up to you, what you use. All transport options are viable

[sullen gull]

two mk6 will = 2400/min - load/unload times ... if I am even remotely correct

[reef basin]

generally I'd recommend to feed one belt to one platform

[sacred summit]

Point being that, even if the train was about to carry 10,000/min..... it's still going to be unloaded into a storage.... that is connected to belt... that is going to throttle that down to the belt speed anyway

[sullen gull]

Why only one?

[reef basin]

because of the lockout time

[sullen gull]

Wouldn't the higher throughput in between the station and a container negate that in some way?

[reef basin]

yeah, you have to buffer it

one belt into ISC, two belts from ISC to platform

[sullen gull]

Oh, sorry, that was meant to be insinuated. I thought everyone put an ICS in between a station and the incoming 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

yeah everyone should

[atomic notch]

yeah and if you really know what ur doing you can adjust stop times for throuhput balancing

[sullen gull]

I'm just happy I can get my power stations on a 98% average now 🤣

[reef basin]

yeah, but for basic rule-of-thumb, one belt per platform works for most cases

[sullen gull]

Well, not nuke yet .

[atomic notch]

yeah the semi level line

[sullen gull]

Sadly though, I have spent the entire evening obsessing on how to layout the 50 water extractors and how I want to run pipe now that I have this damn elevator in my way 😭

Not very efficient at all 🤣

[last jackal]

You are paying for your progression with your electricity bill.

Think in that perspective lol.

[sullen gull]

Lol, for some reason, I find it a bit comical at how my room my 1u is in is the warmest in the house 😏

[last jackal]

Expensive heating

[sullen gull]

Nahh, barely notice it honestly. Besides, it 'pays for itself' in other ways 😏

[sacred summit]

I'm okay with it. It's part of the process. Every hobby costs money. If you're making money with it, you don't have a hobby - you have a job.

[gray ermine]

Should I learn and finish the main quests on my first play through and go back and rebuild everything better or just restart with all the knowledge I have learnt

[last jackal]

The map is big enough for you to do the prior.

gah.

[sacred summit]

Even if you know everything, the unlocking process is going to require you to tear and rebuild with more efficient stuff as it unlocks anyway. No real benefit to just starting over

[last jackal]

Especially the part of alternate recipes.

[sacred summit]

Unless you just want a cleaner start.

[last jackal]

Early game is fun. But exploring sometimes just isn't your cup of tea.

[gray ermine]

Would it be worth restarting to try the other planets? Or is the first one good enough?

[sullen gull]

Psssfh, For me, once I can get the jetpack and liquid bio, it's hdd, mercer, sloop, slug gathering time.

[sacred summit]

Yeah, I'd be a lot more interested in exploration if it was a bit randomized.

[gray ermine]

Wait where in the MAM is the jetpack?

[sullen gull]

Every time I've started a new save I feel like I discover new features and 'hidden gems' of the map.

[sullen gull]

I believe the jetpack is part of one of the tiers.

[sacred summit]

Tier 5

[last jackal]

There is no "other planets"

It's 1 map.

[gray ermine]

Ohhh just different staring locations?

[sacred summit]

The "other planets" are different starting points on the same map

[gray ermine]

So unlocked in progression?

[sullen gull]

Correct.

[gray ermine]

Ah no wonder I couldn’t find it in the mam lol

[sacred summit]

Yessir lol

[last jackal]

You unlock it a bit before you can unlock packaged fuel.

[sacred summit]

MAM is what makes me wish I'd started playing the game solo 🤣

[sullen gull]

Though, one nice thing about exploring early on, is you find a ton of items that allow you to progress a bit quicker, without having to build the factories for making the items and such.

[last jackal]

Definitely. No need to make computers. Explore and pick up the computers for research.

[gray ermine]

Curious on something else, I’m using 800MW at Phase 2 T-4 is that a lot?

[last jackal]

But such "early on" gets a bit annoying to really quantify, because (imo) you need at least.

1. The ladder unlock.
2. Blade runner unlock.
3. Jetpack unlock.
4. 2 dimensional depots set down to make sure you will always be able to make platforms.

[sullen gull]

True.

[gray ermine]

Ladder?

[last jackal]

It's almost just dumb to explore without blade runners. Extremely early game without blade runners is just pain.

[sullen gull]

Can be purchased in the Awesome shop

[gray ermine]

So I can climb hills?

[last jackal]

You can use the lookout tower instead. But it's so bulky.

[elder apex]

why would you need ladders? ramps, stackable conveyor stands, storage units can all be used to climb

[sullen gull]

It a sort, yeah

[sacred summit]

Yeah, some of the upgrades feel like they verge on needing to be Tier 0, Tier 1 unlocks.

Not Jetpack, obviously, but like... Blade Runner? Come on now... That took waaaay too long for my first playthrough.

[sullen gull]

and ada will yell at you for not being productive early on when making them 🤣

[last jackal]

I clearly said imo.

[elder apex]

you can get blade runners without ever unlocking them as well

[gray ermine]

And can you explain the 2 dimensional depots, is that the space elevator thing?

[sullen gull]

So, You can actually find a pair of blade runners in the Lizzard doggo cave on the west coast.

I thought there was a jetpack there too, but I can't seem to ever find it.

[sacred summit]

If I understand it right (haven't used it), it's basically a "free inventory that doesn't take your inventory space".

You can build by pulling out of that storage

[elder apex]

jetpack is located on a random hog

[last jackal]

And just being able to go up straight vertically is a heck of a virtue compared to nonsense with ramps/depots/stackers.

Not to mention you can go up significantly more with ladders with 1 click. Compared to stacking things over and over.

[sullen gull]

dimensional depots are gained by finding mercer spheres and are a "virtual' storage. Searchable under alien technology in the MAM

[mossy phoenix]

Is there any way to get a specific research thing from a harddrive

[last jackal]

No.

[mossy phoenix]

I just want to get the not awful screw recipe

[sullen gull]

Yeah, there too. Unless that's where it 'moved' to lol.

[gray ermine]

Ahh okay, I have tons of Mercer spheres but haven’t taken the time to farm any SAM

[last jackal]

Being interrupted while exploring just because you can't construct any more platforms is just so annoying.

[elder apex]

destroy the ones behind you and keep building

[reef basin]

so, steel rod?

[last jackal]

No. Because I don't want to.

[mossy phoenix]

I was meaning the direct crafting option

The make screws directly from ingots

[reef basin]

that's awful 😛

[sullen gull]

Ahh yeah. I just usually do a quick setup to mine into a container/Depot wherever the closest one to where I am is

[mossy phoenix]

I would disagree as someone who has no steel automation whatsoever

[sullen gull]

Cast Screws?

[mossy phoenix]

Yeah, im trying to find it

[sullen gull]

It's a random draw fyi. No specific hard drive has it.

Though, personally I suffer through the default recipes if I don't find it and hope I get the alts that allow me to eliminate screws all together.

[last jackal]

Steel screws / steel rods my beloved

[reef basin]

I'm not talking about steel screws, but my point is that anything cast screws can do, other recipes do (imo!) better

[last jackal]

Alternatives would be more so on just not having screws at all in the recipe.

[sullen gull]

I feel cast screws is one of those "Gotcha" because it seems so good since it removes a link in the chain, as greeny said, you find that there are better alts.

[last jackal]

Big example would be stitched reinforced iron plates. I prefer that a lot when I don't have steel production nearby for bolted RIPs.

[slender current]

how do I find a good spot for a base? I'm worried I'm gonna start building my platforms somewhere too low and run into the side of a hill and be kind of stuck

[last jackal]

Understand the difference in the order. It's not
"Build base, find resources, build factory"
It's
"Find resources, build factory, build base."

[sullen gull]

Well, as someone pointed out to me recently, you don;t necessarily HAVE to have a base. You can put the HUB up whenever needed.

Space elevator may be a bit harder due to resources needed, but same principle.

[last jackal]

If you're just at phase 0 just find somewhere there is some nice iron. +1 copper node if you know where things are.

[sullen gull]

If you desire to have a central mega factory, that's going to be a personal preference. Probably based on design aspirations, scenic views, resources nearby, etc.,

My recent favorite spot is infront of the waterfall in the Rocky Desert.

[last jackal]

My "base" always just sits at the grass plains, just below the small lake withere there are 4 coal nodes. There's about 7 impure iron nodes there, with 1 normal copper & 1 normal limestone.

[sullen gull]

Always my first spot to build a coal plant 😏

[last jackal]

Oil is just up the west coast, coal is just across the mountain, steel is just a south exploration.

And best of all, the vast green plain scenery is great.

[sullen gull]

I keep wanting to do something with/around that giant Arch, just can't decide on what.

[last jackal]

I just exactly know where the quartz & caterium is at from that location as well. Which just feels so nice.

[sullen gull]

Same goes with the Arch with the water fall in the North coast with all the Oil

[last jackal]

Beautiful scenery as I slowly zipline across the scenery is nice too. I'll connect up trains again at some point in this save but a good 3-5 minute zipline up the west coast just feels relaxing.

[reef basin]

• decide what you want to make
• decide how much
• find a location for it (together with deciding on recipes and such)
• build a factory there
• put product to depot
• repeat 🙂

[last jackal]

Game really is playful with its music when you're not stressed about all the alien plants around you.

[atomic notch]

on my first game i wrapped it in conveyor belts

[sullen gull]

Eh, anymore I just play on Retaliate. Though it seems broken in 1.1

[sullen gull]

Are you the conveyor belt tornado guy? 🤣

[sacred summit]

Put foundations on top of foundations.... use ramps if/where you want. You can cover the ground up. 😛

[reef basin]

or build on the ground 🤷

[atomic notch]

no but he inspired me

[sacred summit]

Repent with your heathen ways

[atomic notch]

u could do sam fluctuator production there

[sullen gull]

No matter how many times i've tried, I just can't do any sort of spaghetti 🤣

[atomic notch]

you can build on top of conveyors

[sullen gull]

I build all my miners on the ground and just run a frame pillar gantry to where it needs to go anymore 😏

[reef basin]

nothing wrong with building on the ground

[sullen gull]

Simple, looks clean, me likey

[sacred summit]

You kiss your mother with that mouth?

[sullen gull]

Shhhh

[atomic notch]

i just stick a train on it and send it dude

i have like 7 1-1 trains on my current save

[sullen gull]

Symmetry is key: #screenshots message

[sacred summit]

I'm trying to learn to do more... flowy, organic builds that sort of hug terrain a bit.
#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

See, building on the ground can look gooood: #screenshots message (subjective of course 🤣 )

[sacred summit]

Nah, I agree with that... though that's not exactly building on the ground.

[sullen gull]

🤦‍♂️

[sacred summit]

Using frames is fairly similar to using poles. Sure the poles are on the ground. 🤣

[sullen gull]

OK ok OK ... well my non ground building self need to get to sleep. Way past my bed time (Can I claim damages with CSS for sleep deprivation? 😏 ).

[sacred summit]

Oooh, let me retract... you meant you weren't doing the sky base buffoonery. Fo sho.

I thought other guy was saying build literally on the ground 🤣

[sullen gull]

Lol, he could have been. I could see potential though in some places 😏

Night!

[sacred summit]

Night!

[stray patio]

Hey guyss

[undone jackal]

Do u guys think 2,4k rocket fuel per min provides enough electricity for a normal playthrough?

[steel sluice]

No such thing as normal, but yes probably most average playthroughs

Making <10 of the final space elevator components/min

Way less power than that is also enough but depends on your individual playstyle

[dense violet]

Eh, go nuclear at that point instead

[steel sluice]

2.4k RF is easy to make, easy to divide into gens and trivial to pipe around due to no head lift requirements. Nuclear is fun but a very different beast

Power shards in the gens makes it even easier to set up, since you can clock to just use exactly 10RF/gen for nice maths

[undone jackal]

Thats the reason i want to make it. I think imma just rush a bit and build the rocket fuel factory as its cheap and easy to make and then just continue with the other stuff

[steel sluice]

I did rf first and then still messed around with nuclear later. it was fun but I was glad I wasn't relying on it for all my power because it sure needed some troubleshooting haha

[undone jackal]

Why?

[frozen cloud]

yep, i did 3k and it was too much

[dense violet]

because you can do with 40 nuclear gens what you need to spam 400 down with fuel? and the base recipes are very simple

[covert talon]

do geothermal generators fluctuate perfectly harmonic so that i can use power storages to make it even in the exact middle?

[dense violet]

Only if youre using the exact amount, as power storage doesn’t discharge unless used

Actually , I’m not sure if charging power storage shows up on power graphs

[true mulch]

you can use power storages to guarantee the average

e.g. for a pure geyser which fluctuates between 200-600 MW, two power storages will guarantee 400 MW

but you won't see it in the graph

[eager wasp]

Thanks for putting the world borders back btw.

[desert maple]

hello

[delicate ocean]

how do I reveal the dark parts of the map?

[thick vine]

it gets revealed when u go there. being below something doesnt reveal it. later in the game you can use radar towers to reveal large parts of the map at once with ease

[delicate ocean]

okay got it

and can I somehow get rid of the radioactive looking areas?

[thick vine]

do you mean the fart cloud rocks or the uranium? fart rocks can be blown up, uranium can be mined but u need a hazmat suit to survive it

[delicate ocean]

fart rocks probably

[latent prawn]

once you have a radiation suit & filters, you can break the radioactive ore deposits and sink or discard the ore

[delicate ocean]

thank you!!

[thick vine]

the fart rocks can be blown up with nobelisks, they're in the mam in the sulfur tech tree. they can blow up lots of stuff !

[latent prawn]

the gas pillars can be destroyed with any weapon that goes boom

[leaden turret]

[latent prawn]

(one of these things is not like the other)

[leaden turret]

[latent prawn]

awww all so cute

[leaden turret]

I have just had a spontaneous cursed thought

||Lizard Doggo talks, but like Jar Jar Binks||

||"meesa thinks you want some nuke nuke waste"||

also technically we already have an emote for ||sith doggo ||

[latent prawn]

there are probably medications you can take to mitigate such thoughts

[proper olive]

i am so addicted to this game, i cant stop thinking of how to make my factory better

[sacred summit]

Finally going to tinker w/ Truck Stations, and have a question... Do I need to actually Load/Unload when setting the route - or will just driving through set it to do so? What I'm trying to figure out if an extra truck and pass into a coal-loading station on the way to its loading station, just to refuel, without actually loading coal.

[boreal musk]

you need to config your station to load/unload

[sacred summit]

Nah, I got that.

What I mean is, I have a coal station that loads... And a truck that loads coal from it... that station also dumps coal in the fuel port.

Can I have another truck... say one that loads iron or copper, just drive in to get fuel from the fuel port, without loading the coal

[boreal musk]

if you want stations that purely for refuel, you just connect the belt to the fuel input

works better for an area with multiple stations, so one truck from coal deposit can send coal to said station area

[latent prawn]

driving under the station's crane while recording a route with auto-add a route pause point for the station. if you are moving loads that are close to the vehicle's capacity, you may need to change the wait time on the pause point to give the vehicle enough time to fully load/unload, but everything else is automagic

[sacred summit]

Yeah, I'm guessing what I want to do isn't doable then, because I feel like I'm not exactly making clear what I wanted to do 😅

[latent prawn]

so i think you're asking if you can disable the load/unload so you can double-use an existing station for fueling other trucks? answer to that is no

[sacred summit]

Basically, yes. I have a truck that picks up coal at a station near a coal mine. That coal mine also fills that stations fuel port.

I have an iron pickup that is farther down the road.
I just wanted to have the iron truck refuel at the coal mine station (without picking anything up) since it was going to drive like 5 feet away from it anyway.

[latent prawn]

little unfortunate that it is so limited, but the scope of complexity for what you want to do with vehicles is limited by their bad AI

[sacred summit]

Touche

Feels a bit like the problem would be solved if you could just have an "item filter" option on the truck 😕

But I imagine that's a feature that's attached to the trains or some later transport option

[latent prawn]

i find them quite useful for basic transport loops, but when you start having routes that intersect and actually traffic that interferes, they kinda get all funny

[sacred summit]

Yeah, it's definitely a bit cumbersome lol

[cyan garnet]

I think your only option is to make a separate fueling station that only takes coal into the fuel input and nothing into the cargo. Have all your vehicles drive through it

[latent prawn]

i see some people that build entire traffic grids in the game for the vehicles and i have no idea how they get it all to work

[sacred summit]

Yep, I think you're right. a dedicated fueling station.

[sacred summit]

Well if the trains are even remotely as complex - or maybe "customizable" is the better word - as Factorio, or COI - then it'll turn into an obsession for me to get that worked out 🤣

[latent prawn]

yeah, not that tricky to do as a solution. running them off of coal is a great early way of fueling them, but very quickly other, better fuels come along and you need to think about fuel distribution as a problem anyway

trains are very time consuming to build

i love em too, but they're a substantial amt of work

[cyan garnet]

Agreed, trains have a pretty big learning curve on how to build them effectively, but very rewarding one you get it

[latent prawn]

i don't find them incredibly complex. signalling has a learning curve, but it is pretty intuitive

[cyan garnet]

I’ve not played factorio but my understanding is that trains in SF are very different. In SF they only take the shortest route and don’t do dynamic pathing, so you have to take some care in how you design your rail network and how you signal it

[hard ivy]

Yeah, it took me only a few hours to figure out trains. No tutorials

[cyan garnet]

FWIW rails are significantly easier to build in 1.1

[latent prawn]

really the time needed with trains is actually building the rails which in a first person builder is kinda ugg

yeah, i'll agree 1.1 did some nice things

[sacred summit]

If you like that aspect of SF (setting up trains for automated routes, etc.), then you really ought to take a look at Factorio. Don't want to shill a competitor's game in the Discord, but Factorio's train logistics is ridiculously good.

[cyan garnet]

Appreciate the pitch, but I’m deliberately avoiding factorio for a reason 😉

[latent prawn]

sf's trains are pretty good as well, not the same level of complexity, but still rather capable

[sacred summit]

With my very limited interactions, I only have a few complaints about SF logistics so far.

[latent prawn]

when you build a rail network in the game, the initial going is pretty rough, just because it takes a lot of hours to build out long distance rails. after the initial hump, there's a critical mass of rail traffic you reach at which point trains are constantly coming & going and it gets really awesome

[hard ivy]

One life-consuming game is enough, huh?

[dense violet]

you're also going to be very bad at building rail. Your first one will almost certainly suck

but that's normal

[cyan garnet]

My first playthrough I barely touched trains. I had to force myself to really learn them in the post-game when I did a big nuclear power build. Second playthrough I incorporated trains into my world design from the start

[cyan garnet]

Please sir, I have a family

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'd kind of advise you to just pick an elevated height for your first railway and build it all out on floating foundation

[cyan garnet]

When I first got into SF my daughter asked me why I was “playing a video game with math homework”

I mean, she wasn’t wrong, lol

[hard ivy]

At least this math homework is fun

[timid rune]

grr time to build 240 constructors for one purpose-iron wire

aka blueprints go brrrr

[solid plover]

Is it just me or did the difficulty spike like crazy when you gotta build a super computer factory? I'm still pretty new and have just started Phase 4. I want to create a factory that produces 0.5/min supercomputers to match my current adaptive control unit production rate. However, I just can't figure out how to build the factory because it requires all these really specific amounts of things that I can't seem to get to through splitters and mergers. (E.g. for circuit board, need 8 for computer, and 1.5 for ai limiter). Any advice, I'm pretty stumped? (Sorry for the long messahe)

[tall lantern]

there are ways to deal with those uneven splits

1. make two separate production groups. One that makes the 8, one that makes the 1.5
2. manifold (ie just bundle it all into one belt and let it eventually balance itself). though that may take a while with such low production rates, so you may need to help it along

[dense violet]

clock groups of machines to make those numbers 🙂 simplest way.

also use a good planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

manifolds, like Mein mentioned, will also just self balance those numbers out

[frozen cloud]

get alt recipes

[dense violet]

I mean that's not a direct solution to managing splits, but it can help management yes

[solid plover]

Thanks for the quick response guys. And yeah I tried to use satisfactory planner instead of just pen and paper but found it frustrating because it asks me to send awkward amounts to different machines which I can't work out how to do. Are you saying that if I under/overclock my machines to make the specific amounts, and a manifold feeding into all of those will work fine, even if say constructor one needed 16/min sheets, constructor 2 needed 3/min and constructor 3 needs 5/min?

[dense violet]

yes and yes

[dense violet]

which planner were you using? not that it makes a difference with 'numbers'

[boreal musk]

manifold works fine as long as its fast enough to maintain said throughput

they will self balance

[frozen cloud]

can use satisfactory modeler to balance the machines

[dense violet]

for example, if you needed to feed 120 ore into these smelters? the first will get more at first but it'll self balance #math-and-meta message

the only things you need for a manifold to work is

1. enough parts per min to satisfy your system
2. a belt with enough throughput to handle it

it's really a no brainer

[reef basin]

and even the first point is kinda not true, as that's not manifold-specific 😛

(or in other words - any system will produce less if it gets less input)

[swift kernel]

When I first started Satisfactory, I felt like manifolds were the "Easy way out" and wanted to load balance. But as I've played the game, I realized I was just making way too much work for myself, especially in the early game.

Load balancing ultimately is a vanity project, and manifolds are much more efficient when it comes to time and space.

Build manifolds to progress. Build load balancers if you really have nothing else you want to do other than have a really satisfying aesthetic

[frozen cloud]

i do feel like manifolds get better late game with better belts since machine input doesnt scale as much as belt throughput
so a lot of the times you cant really do a manifold early game cause its >120/min and dont have smart splitters/prio mergers

[rigid flicker]

A little help with the fluid mechanic. I'm running two pipelines each with 600 HOR. Gonna use it for 7,5 coke refineries (300 min), and 15 residual fuel refineries (900). That means they'll need to both supply one refinery. How do I go about that, if I want 100% efficiency?

[swift kernel]

I don't think that's true. I think you can do manifolds pretty much as soon as you have splitters and mergers. But it's definitely not as intuitive as load balancers during phase 1.

[frozen cloud]

dont do 600/min pipes

[swift kernel]

You just don't work on a large enough scale to see the benefits as readily

[reef basin]

split one pipe in two?

don't forget to loop your pipe manifolds