satisfactory

[atomic notch]

Oc or no?

Max oc is 907

940 and 935 both put you over 200% on the clock speed so ur already using the 3rd shard

[grizzled lotus]

ok got it to work. I think it was the order of trainstation and freight platform

[atomic notch]

No oc puts u at 2267 gens

[zenith pecan]

The entire reason my generators are 240% is that they use a round 10 rocket fuel.

[prisma thicket]

Ok... so I was looking into Nuclear power plants, out of curiosity... why are some people so into nuclear? It takes sooo much just to make the fuel rods, not to mention dealing with the waste byproduct. Fuel variants are way less demanding to setup and run. Sure you need to put down 10x the generators to match the power, but holy crap is it so much simpler to do so.

[elder apex]

and it's time to enjoy ( ? ) yet another episode of Nuclear vs Rocket Fuel

[deft fog]

steam just had a massive dataleak where 89 million people had their passwords sold for 5k change ur passwords just in case

[zenith pecan]

Nuclear, like any build, is a puzzle which you can approach from many angles, give it a shot sometime, even in another game, you don't need to power the thing up until you're happy with it, and you can reload a save if it folds up hard and reevaluate the build.

I've done nuclear, I quite enjoyed the planning process, I took on the additional challenge of it being radiation free too, and it worked out very very well.

[true mulch]

source?

[prisma thicket]

Yah, I was considering trying it this run, but I'm having major second thoughts. My brain is just reeling at the sheer number of resources that go into producing 2 uranium fuel rods per minute, enough to power 10 power plants. And the number only goes up if you throw in alt recipes

[zenith pecan]

Give it a go, even in a fork of the save, remember this is a game, and it is a cool challenge, don't let it put you off 🙂

[deft fog]

My friend sent it to me but apparently its fake or whatever I dont really care

Either I did a public service or fearmongering

[zenith pecan]

Already changed, though I change my details every few months anyhow so no issue.

[deft fog]

Who are you hiding from 😭

[true mulch]

I trust my 2FA

[zenith pecan]

I did see it on a google search, I don't think passwords were leaked however.

My passwords where allowed are often like ДРУLJ$Ffae3534Лфсе:54ыт;hUUSWедтчржЩЮ and such because GL with dictionary attacks 😄

[junior laurel]

Bro you shouldn't just post your password like that

[prisma thicket]

throwing in the cyrilic characters is definitely going to throw off any brute force attacks lol

[zenith pecan]

Hah, just an example since I can mash the keyboard in two different scripts 😄

[zenith pecan]

Just don't ask me to pronounce the mess, since it sorta starts like Drulj(dollar)ffae3534 ..... yeah just no.

[hollow vector]

this is terrible source

its very overexagurated

[odd estuary]

Idid it guys

i have nuclear power

[hollow vector]

there was 0 passwords

also

[zenith pecan]

I did say I doubted passwords were nicked, still changed because like I'm going to leave an old one in place regardless.

[deft fog]

My Friend told me and I spread the word knowing im either doing a Publi Service or speading misinformation and I like both

[hollow vector]

2fa is good enough

[hollow vector]

none
you arent doing any public service by telling us mainstream news

[zenith pecan]

I won't rest on my laurels, miitm attacks are a thing.

[deft fog]

Sorry critical thinking isnt my strength but if I keep telling myself that Im the Hero in my story its gonna work out

[hollow vector]

even if i loose my steamaccount

steam support is very likely going to allow me to get it back

[prisma thicket]

Good guy GabeN

[zenith pecan]

I'd sooner not lose it in the first place, anyhow we have gone way into #off-topic-general now, so I'm going to stop there.

[junior laurel]

Oh yeah, I actually forgot;
Yeah this is bs

[hollow vector]

new topic

lets do some merch messages now

• linus

those who wan

[prisma thicket]

New topic, congrats to @odd estuary for getting nuclear up and running xD

[hollow vector]

anyways

remaniated sam looks like the plasma of a plasma ball

[zenith pecan]

I'm likely going to go nuclear again once I have much of my industry rebuilt, the challenge was cool the first time, I want a better looking nuclear industry this time 😄

[junior laurel]

Consume more

[hollow vector]

does this include the canablism of other pioneers

[zenith pecan]

This is my old nuclear support facility that ate pretty much all of the grasslands #design-and-architecture message

I want to do better.

[junior laurel]

I mean you're using SAM aren't you?

[hollow vector]

uh

no.

[junior laurel]

Consume more

[hollow vector]

guh

fine ill create a sommersloop circle

will that make you happy?

[junior laurel]

Slightly

[true mulch]

@deft fog checking it out and there are some news sources reporting on it, but they don't provide a reliable source either

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/time-to-change-your-steam-password-data-from-over-89-million-accounts-has-reportedly-leaked-to-the-dark-web

[junior laurel]

As I said, bullshit

[true mulch]

the leak is reportedly from a service which Valve/Steam does not use

[junior laurel]

Steam even made a statement saying nothing was hacked

[true mulch]

do you have a link to that statement?

[junior laurel]

I will go fetch it

[true mulch]

(so I can prove my friends wrong)

[junior laurel]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/533224478739530145?l=english

2 hours ago "A note about the security of your Steam account"

[true mulch]

thanks!

[prisma thicket]

Can someone tell me why the first machine in a manifold might be struggling for resources? The belt speed is fine

[red sun]

strange, the first machine in a manifold should be struggling the least

[prisma thicket]

Yah, that's why I'm confused, the second machine was running at 100% efficiency, but the first was at 93%, and there was no clog on the output side either.

[red sun]

hmmmmm.. you say the belt speed is fine, does that include the (presumably) shorter conveyor leading from the splitter into the machine?

if that's the correct tier, i have no clue lmao

[prisma thicket]

Yah, it's all mk.4 belts, over what's needed. I put a smart splitter in place, and that seems to have fixed the problem, but what a weird thing to happen.

[red sun]

perhaps hand-feed it the resources and see what happens?

[red sun]

hmm weird indeed

good that you got it fixed, though

this game cooks my brain sometimes i swear

[prisma thicket]

Oh it does that to me ALL the time xD my little pea brain can barely keep up.

[red sun]

MOOD

[prisma thicket]

Ok, well now I have my basic aluminum stuff running smoothly, time to move onto something bigger T_T

[boreal musk]

what machine? is it 1 input like smelter constructor or multiple?

[peak wasp]

Oh dear god

I built a hypertube cannon going straight up

I got stuck in it somehow and now I am somehow repeatedly entering it several times a second

It keeps getting faster

[atomic notch]

sounds fun

[prisma thicket]

It was a refinery, not getting enough bauxite even though it was the first machine on the bauxite line

[peak wasp]

I am both at the top of the world and underneath it

[elder apex]

getting high just ain't what it used to be

[boreal musk]

check the water

[prisma thicket]

Water was fine, pipes were full across the whole system

[boreal musk]

did you check the water input at least

[prisma thicket]

I did, the water was capped but the bauxite kept faltering, was really weird

Like I said, the smart splitter seems to have fixed the issue though, so no worries anymore

[atomic notch]

nice

[prisma thicket]

Oh my... I just realized... the SPLITTER was the issue... it was sending 150 and 150 to each machine... but the first machine needs 200 per minute >.<

[atomic notch]

lol

[prisma thicket]

So switching to a smart splitter and filling the first machine first ensures the split of 200 and 100

[boreal musk]

its not the issue, i'll assume the last machine needs 100/min so it will fill first before the first machine needing 200/min

not weird at all

if you just clock both to 150/min each, it will be even

[atomic notch]

yeah was about to say that

manifold too

wait nvm

2 inputs haha

[prisma thicket]

Anyways, figured it out lol

[atomic notch]

lol i think i got the same setup 300 bauxite slooping ingots makin like 540

[lime ermine]

Starting fixcite production!

[wanton stag]

Can you load one train car at multiple stations?

Like let's say I need to load at station A then station B then drop-off at station C, can I just do that with one freight car or would I need 2?

I wanted to just do vehicles but 1.1 hates trucks and I'm sick of my vehicles just... randomly deciding to break after I load into the world (IE they just won't go until I go to them and give them a push)

[boreal musk]

general approach would be just having each car loading A and B and both goes to C

C also needs 2 station to unload both

[latent prawn]

yeah, as long as you are under capacity for what you're moving, you can pick up or drop off at multiple stations. the challenge with it is that you loose a bit of control over the transmission rates, so big buffers and well thought out designs are something you'll need

i do it a lot - both with picking up and dropping off

[grizzled lotus]

do freight stations need to be before train stations? and what if I have multiple freight platforms?

[latent prawn]

idk what you mean by 'before'

i do things several different ways with it, sometimes each loading station loads different cars and has empty platforms for cars that get loaded at other stations, sometimes i just load everything into all the cars at each station

[lime ermine]

Yes

[grizzled lotus]

one time the train just wouldn't load anything, when I swapped the position of the train station and freight platform it worked

does the train AI know to stop at a freight platform?

as opposed to just a train station?

[dense violet]

yes but it's generally fairly awkward. and you'll probably reduce your overall throughput for hte train/platforms so you won't want to be moving a ton of stuff

[latent prawn]

the engine always stops at the station, if, when the train stops at the station, there's a car in the freight's platform section, a load/unload is performed

[latent prawn]

no it doesn't as described. no station blocks for more than ~30 seconds per loop

[prisma thicket]

Having never used a particle accelerator, can someone explain how the varying power consumption works?

[latent prawn]

it makes the round trip longer, but doesn't change throughput (except by making the trip longer)

[tawny urchin]

is there a spot with bauxite, oil, and copper relatively close together?

[latent prawn]

for each production cycle, the power goes up & down like the geotherms, except much more pronounced

[dense violet]

so? if your return trip goes over the limit to move the items you're going to lose throughput

[dense violet]

use SCIM

[wanton stag]

Well I'm moving like under 300/min worth of stuff to a central storage mall

[latent prawn]

three locations for bauxite are pink forest, titan forest and the swamp. you have a bit of copper in titan forest, a lot of it in the swamp and none in pink forest

[dense violet]

it'll depend on what your max belt speed is

[tawny urchin]

whats that

[wanton stag]

780

[dense violet]

satisfactory calculator

[prisma thicket]

There's a few, though the copper is usually the furthest resource.

[dense violet]

and travel times

[latent prawn]

my thought is you'll be fine at those sorts of rates

[wanton stag]

Technically its 480 but I can buy alclad if need be

[wanton stag]

Well I'm taking from grassy fields to the desert

[dense violet]

and, as mentioned yesterday, process the ingots in a location and ship it to copper or wherever you need it. you'll need other resources anyway for further processing.

most bauxite isn't near other useful resources

[dense violet]

that's a ways. try things out

[tawny urchin]

i dont think this was mentioned yesterday must have been someone else

[grizzled lotus]

that's kind of what I meant. If the engine stops at the train station but the freight platform isn't aligned to the freight car the load/unload won't happen. so I have to make sure they align at each station

[latent prawn]

the scrap also transports very well if you have fast belts to get it in & out

[dense violet]

shrug i found the conversation from 21 hrs ago

[tawny urchin]

lol for some reason i do not remember a thing

[latent prawn]

they should all snap together and function as one well-spaced unit. if you have a long train stopping at a station and a section of track in between instead of an empty platform, i'm not sure if the game understands that they're supposed to be part of the same functional station

[dense violet]

there was a long conversation about alum recipes, locations, and resources 😛

[tawny urchin]

dang i gotta take look

[wanton stag]

Well I'm thinking train picks up from my copper factory (80 copper sheet, wire, cable) a min then pick up from my iron products factory 45 plate, rods, rotors, reinforced a min, then my 4.5 motor a min factory and I'll have a dedicated car for my megafactory pickup (quick wire, encased industrial, computers, heavy modular frames, ai limiters but technically that's done at my oil coast oil plant then belted back)

[dense violet]

it's one of the reasons I probalby hit reply to people more often than others, much easier to find old conversations

[grizzled lotus]

so just to make sure, what happens when the locomotive reaches the train station before the freight platform (which is right after)? will teh train position itself to load from teh freight platforms?

[wanton stag]

This is all for my building stuff, if I need a certain thing for production I prefer to do it on-site

[wanton stag]

Yes

[dense violet]

seems moderately low?
like I said. Try it out. Maybe try to make use of the equations on the wiki to calc throughput

one of the things you have to accept when making multi item + stop trains is that it's more work figuring thigns out

[tawny urchin]

i found it lol, i have no clue how i forgot that whole conversation

[wanton stag]

If there's a platform that matches with the car, it will load it

[stuck dagger]

If you don't want the station to load/unload a certain car then you can tell the train what to load/unload or put an empty platform

[lime ermine]

Why is phase 5 so easy

[wanton stag]

Well its low since it's just for building, I don't need insanelh high thruput for those things

[wanton stag]

No its not

Phase 4 is a royal pain

[lime ermine]

It feels easy

[dense violet]

I didn't re read the whole thing but I'm almost 100% we talked about copper and you had the same question

[lime ermine]

Oh fair

[wanton stag]

I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT WHAT I NEED TO DO IT BUT I KNOW IT'S GONNA SUCK

[tawny urchin]

yup i just saw that haha. no idea whats going on with me

[wanton stag]

Thank God I can drag my feet on doing project parts

[lime ermine]

I spent a month making a factory for the project parts for phase 4, over an hour each day for two a minute of the first two and one a minute for the last two

[lime ermine]

Don't I beg you

Don't do what I do

Did

[wanton stag]

Dude I'm trying to get thru the tech tree first

[dense violet]

might need more sleep 😛

[tawny urchin]

apparently

[wanton stag]

Plusssss, I have 1200 acus in storage

So assembly directors will be easy enough

[lime ermine]

Ok you're probably fine for now

The assembly director systems were what killed me

[wanton stag]

You'd hate my method for shit like that

[lime ermine]

Luckily I now have far more then enough being made for the next project part

[lime ermine]

What is it? I just die making a factory for about 3 a minute and then do something else when I'm done

[wanton stag]

I handcrafted the exact amounts I needed, threw it all in boxes, then ran a manufacturer with a sloop to make what I need

Fuck you logic i hate myself

[lime ermine]

Ahh I do hate your way

[wanton stag]

Tbf I did automate it

I just can't be asked to combine all the shit for the project parts in one place

I'd rather take what I have and just make what I need

It's easier

(I'm too lazy to automate acus, fuck you id rather die)

[boreal musk]

in my last playthrough, i gathered all resource type in one place, and breach through phase 4 easily and since i pretty much have everything it only took less than 10hrs to finish phase 5

[wanton stag]

I've stayed pretty local tbh

The move across the map is just because I'm satisfied with what I've done in the fields and need a new place to work with

[lime ermine]

I just build wherever I want and move stuff to where it needs to go

[tawny urchin]

is there a reason that everyone makes trains with 2 tracks right beside each other? is it so it can loop at the end? or is is just so that you can fit more trains and avoid congestion

[latent prawn]

if you don't dedicate a rail going in each direction, you end up with a lot of headaches unless you really plan out your design well

just dedicating a track to run in each direction saves you a lot of problems

[zenith trellis]

I have around 8 large factories all around my game, and one single railroad connected to train stations at every single factory, and I'm trying to fit like, 12 trains on that one railroad leading to one mega storage building as to not have to make multiple railroads cuz that things SUPER long, but they keep colliding. I'm tryna time it so they're perfectly in sync but pretty hard 😅

[latent prawn]

not a good idea to try and game timing. it will always vary & change. this is why the game has rail signals

[zenith trellis]

Yeah I've thought about using those just can't really figure it all out.

[latent prawn]

the quick and dirty: place a block signal at the entrance and exit to each station, and then place block signals to act as traffic lights at intersections. if then you notice trains waiting long times to enter a long straight section of track, break those straight-aways into multiple blocks with a signal in between

that's really all that you need to do with it. path signals are completely optional things unless you're doing something janky with bi-directional tracks

where it gets more complicated is when you wish to improve the concurrency of rail utilization

[zenith trellis]

Very helpful! Thanks

[latent prawn]

oft times, if you just have a few trains rolling around, you don't need to do anything more complex than i described

[zenith trellis]

Yeah. Thanks for the help! Imma try to add it tomorrow.

[latent prawn]

the kind of ugg part of it all is that when you internalize and understand how they work, you then have to go around your rails spamming out the block signals and kinda need to have some computer production going to accomplish that

[atomic notch]

If ur bringing them all to one spot you might get better throughput doing 1-1 single train lines

Make sure you invest in verticality. a good floors to stations ratio would be 3:4

[onyx fern]

What's the difference between resource nodes and resource wells? I'm noticing there's some of both for crude oil?

[stuck dagger]

Different building needed

also some resources like nitrogen only come from wells

[golden furnace]

If I wanna run multiple trains along one long line in the same direction, am I gonna have to create a bunch of different blocks to keep them flowing? As it is now there are blocks that span a long distance meaning any subsequent train would have to sit there and wait their turn for a while, no?

[dense violet]

yes, but doing multiple trains going both ways on 1 line is a pain in the ass. Just make 2 lines

[golden furnace]

yea I was planning on setting up this huge train infrastructure that I could easily add to and expand across the map but I didnt realize how tedious the block system was gonna be

[dense violet]

how is it tedious? just put a signal down every 10 foudnations or so

sprint along the rail and drop one down

or include them in your blueprints for train pylons

[golden furnace]

my line spans across the entire map

[dense violet]

so? takes a few min to sprint across. And it's something you could have put down as you were building. lessons learned 🙂

[wind kernel]

do we have any eta on 1.1 full release or is it just whenever they're done with it

[prisma thicket]

When it's ready

[latent prawn]

end of the summer

[wind kernel]

good enough

[cursive crane]

Everything we know is in #announcements

[lament niche]

early q1 next year

[prisma thicket]

with the recycled rubber/plastic alt recipe pair, is it a good idea to funnel all the inputs of both back into eachother and just set it so that the overflow goes to the other places that require it, so the system is always at full capacity?

[dense violet]

personally I keep them split
do a system with the final product being plastic
other system final product rubber

start off each system with a little bit of residual rubber

clean and simple

makes it much easier to plan sections too

[zenith pecan]

The byproduct resin from my power station is entirely fed into depots with overflow to sink 😄

[dense violet]

yeah but this is for recycled plubber 🙂

[zenith pecan]

Rubber and plastic for building!

Better than sinking the 1200 resin.

[lament niche]

hiya @cyan garnet

[abstract heron]

why

[zenith pecan]

I'll eventually get my current world to a state I'll be happy to share.

[cyan garnet]

Paradoxically, having rails with dedicated direction of travel is much easier to manage, signal, and expand

And it’s not much additional effort to build two parallel rails over building just one so better to do that from the start

[timid rune]

double track railways is easier to managew

[peak wasp]

How are things for yall today?

[timid rune]

and has a higher throughput per min

[dense violet]

just so much easier to manage. Any rail with frequent traffic tends to be 2 lanes like a road. Otherwise it's a pain in the butt

train traffic in SF is probably much more like public train systems since you see trains on both lanes every few minutes most likely. And that really needs 2 lanes

[hollow vector]

whar

[prisma thicket]

So, what do we do with extra hard drives? Like the 5-6 you don't need for scanning/research?

[hollow vector]

store/scan

its that shrimple

[prisma thicket]

Ahhh, so they'll just sit in the dimensional depot forever then, gotcha. Was hoping we could sink them after we unlocked all the recipes or something

[hollow vector]

yes

..

[prisma thicket]

What's the maximum range of a drone running on packaged turbofuel?

[dense violet]

I don't think there's any fuel it accepts that it couldn't do the whole map and back corner to corner

[prisma thicket]

Oh sweet, that makes my idea a lot more viable 😄

Want to use that massive Nitrogen well in the middle of the map and bottle it all and send it whereever it's needed via a fleet of drones, getting fuel at their destination ports.

[dense violet]

it would probably be easier to just have 1 drone refueling all the rest at the central gas depot

[prisma thicket]

That does sound like an easier way to do it lol

[outer sparrow]

I have 600m3/m of Heavy Oil Residue what do I do with it?

[leaden turret]

convert to fuel, burn it, "free" power

[outer sparrow]

where do I burn it?

[leaden turret]

fuel generators, but should be converted to fuel first

[topaz cypress]

hey guys, why does some blueprints not work on newer versions ?

ok, it is possible that i copied it in the wrong directory XD

[leaden turret]

misread as "recycled plumber"

[sterile blade]

Misread as "Mario going down a reciclying pipe"

[leaden turret]

is recycled plumber how we get wario?

[prisma thicket]

Are priority mergers worth moving to experimental for? I'm having one machine on a merging line backing up because it can't unload all of it's contents into the merger.

Oh nvm, I think I fixed the problem by tweaking belt speeds

[atomic notch]

Yeah i havent really figured out what id use prio mergers for

[prisma thicket]

How much control do they give you? Is it just "priotize this line first" or can you set like "2:1 ratio of this line to that line"

[atomic notch]

Idk

Never had a problem that a prio merger would fix

[raw vector]

a quick question, what is more efficient: Creating plastic through Polymer resin or directly from crude oil?
I want to set up a Turbofuel station and want to see if byproduct is better to focus on oil residue or go for Polymer resin?

[prisma thicket]

How much Turbofuel are you looking to make?

[dense violet]

there is no system you can currently make that actually needs a priority merger as all production lines are static. So no

[dense violet]

that's because you have to create specific weird problems for them

[zenith pecan]

In all my time of playing, there was only a single instance a prio merger would have saved a little space, but that was solved with a smart splitter, a couple of conventional mergers and an out to sink.

[dense violet]

after looking at pergs, as they will now be known as, they could make belt compressors easier to make
but I also thinkg those are stupid

[prisma thicket]

Am I just bad if I feel like I've run into half a dozen situations where a prio merger would have fixed a problem?

[dense violet]

I would be baffled and curious at what these are

[zenith pecan]

I'd have to deliberately engineer a mess to make the prio merger anything other than a niche solution tbh.

[dense violet]

and I, who hate all forms of gambling, would be willing to bet money they could be trivialy solved with a bit of clocking and belt management

[leaden turret]

aka "math"

[reef basin]

depends what do you mean by "efficient"

what are you looking to save/optimise for?

[prisma thicket]

Why not just out and call me an idiot lol

[reef basin]

I'd say that most of these cases are "it will fix a problem that was caused by a weird solution to a different initial problem"

[leaden turret]

#rules 😛

[dense violet]

there's a big difference between 'not having realised a solution' and being an idiot

I'm sure most people don't think of keeping waste and fresh water split in by product systems on their own
I didn't

as an example

[zenith pecan]

Hell, some truly inspired designs and solutions posted in this very discord have allowed me to see things in a different light and taught me a few lessons.

[leaden turret]

head down "gotta recycle this" rabbit hole

[reef basin]

for example, many people say that prio mergers would allow DPF loops to work nicely, not realising the loop is 1:1:1 so they don't have to have central belt for canisters

[leaden turret]

one supposes they may be useful for certain factory aesthetics

[zenith pecan]

I only half did, due to the numbers never quite adding up, so I've had as many failures as successes.

[dense violet]

or having a manifold and just a container of empties to keep the machiens flooded. Less elegant but workable

[dense violet]

I was lucky enough that my first direct feed worked fine with a powered pump xD

[zenith pecan]

I always just had a storage can in-line until I was happy a DPF was flowing smoothly, then just take it out after 😄

[reef basin]

but the 1:1:1 is so nice and blueprintable 😛

[dense violet]

I am actually curious about what situations these were btw 🙂

[raw vector]

maximise output, I have 1200m3 of crude oil... so which line would produce more items? Is there like a general rule what players use or is it really site specific?

[zenith pecan]

True, remember my last one was several square kilometres so I had to improvise.

[reef basin]

neither of those is the "most optimal" way to make plastic/rubber

but any of them is enough for starter factory

[dense violet]

that's really based on what youre prioritising.

if you're making a power system, personally, I'd make as much power as I can and then manage the byproduct as a little bonus. Or sink it often

and then make a dedicated plubber factory

[zenith pecan]

Depends on the scale, but resin>rubber/plastic from a power station can be depot feed to allow for easy construction.

Or fabric for auto rad filters.

[dense violet]

I suppose? it's not what I'd call general production though

[prisma thicket]

That's what I have, a turbofuel plant that produces just enough plastic/rubber for my building needs

[frozen cloud]

there is so much oil on the world id just separate power and plastic

[zenith pecan]

The entire point is the freedom to do whatever, mine is literally doing 240 of each rubber and plastic from the rocket fuel plant specifically to store/depot then sink for use, I'll use the whole spire coast for production level rubber & plastic.

That said, I still don't have a target for the gold coast (1800 oil) or the oil well in the swamp yet,

I might just produce vehicle fuel or something 🤷‍♂️

[crimson jewel]

making a path for a truck for the first time, it follows the path perfectly (including my awful driving) until the end where it drives off a cliff and gets stuck on a tree before TPing to the intended destination about 30m away

peak, I am suffering

[reef basin]

FICSIT would like to revoke your drivers license

[dense violet]

is the cliff dropping happening where it's making a turn and going over?

[crimson jewel]

I think it's bc I accidentally got inside tbh

[dense violet]

cause if you have to markers that a straight line in between would go down the cliff, that's the issue

they try to take the shortest path

[crimson jewel]

oh surely that means I can just drive them off a huge cliff instead of taking the long way round, then drive back up

hell yeah, I just need to do the drive back now but this should nearly halve the fuel they need

[zenith pecan]

I do plan to have trucks driving around, though not for anything critical, just to make the world look more alive.

[crimson jewel]

I keep forgetting that I'm not here to keep the world all natural, mass scale factories are encouraged
I can just build my own road/ramp anywhere I want

[zenith pecan]

Rail and belt causeways ftw!

Since you can have them criss-cross the map at any altitude.

[crimson jewel]

I think I'd like to get railings before any super crazy passages, just so I don't repeat what I did yesterday and drive off the edge of a path into a river

[viral lotus]

folksfolksfolks

whats the point of using trains to transfer materials

if belts will still bottleneck them

[reef basin]

you can have more cars in one train, so transfer more belts worth of materials

[viral lotus]

drones do make sense, since u dont need to build rails for them

[leaden turret]

you can expand the capacity of a destination either by adding a new freight car to an existing train, or by adding an additional train station.

to expand the capacity of a belt network, you need to run the entire length of the belt and add a new belt every time you wish to expand.

[viral lotus]

fair

[robust nymph]

Make a train line. Now make a 20 belt stack next to it. Measure both with a stopwatch how long it took to make

[zenith pecan]

A six or eight car train can move a ton of material over a singular rail, rather than a causeway full of belts, it will transfer power to boot so in that vein it is simpler to build, I tend to stuff them up though.

[reef basin]

looking at transportation from optimisation perspective - nothing other than belts make sense, because belts have no cost over time compared to other methods

however most of the transportation methods offer convenience to the player

[frozen cloud]

except youd need multiple train tracks for 20 belts

[viral lotus]

[frozen cloud]

mk6 belts is equivalent to a train every 2min

[zenith pecan]

And they look cool when installed and running correctly.

[robust nymph]

It wasn’t meant literally. “20” is just as in “a lot of belts”

[viral lotus]

i just already made a belt line

cause i needed to make it before i unlocked trains

[zenith pecan]

I use huge webs of belts due to the nature of my subsurface logistics.

[frozen cloud]

my point is people keep forgetting how good mk6 belts are compared to trains
32 inventory is really small

[viral lotus]

and now thinking if i should remake it

[robust nymph]

Most people probably have some form of map-spanning train network in place before they unlock mk6 belts though

[viral lotus]

crap i wabted to send a screenshot

where can i do it

[zenith pecan]

Belts, trucks, trains, drones or even just carrying stuff in your inventory, are all just options, the building blocks we can choose when building our way, just go with what you really want to make the world yours is all I can offer.

[atomic notch]

Idk

[robust nymph]

#screenshots

[viral lotus]

#screenshots message

[robust nymph]

Ofcourse. Nobody is saying he SHOULD use train instead of belts, but he inquired about what the point of trains is, and we answered

[viral lotus]

*she

[robust nymph]

My bad

[robust nymph]

Imo just leave that in place, and use train for future things

[viral lotus]

fair!

[zenith pecan]

You could enclose that construct within frame walls/foundations and hell even glass, make it look deliberate and even add walkways, railings etc, own the construct if its working efficiently.

[robust nymph]

There isn’t really an advantage to removing all of that and then replacing it with a train

[viral lotus]

yeah, ill do it when i unlock the hover thingy

[zenith pecan]

I was merely stating they're just options, some of which I have used just for appearences.

[viral lotus]

its a pain in the ass to jump w the jetpack

its my second walkthrough btw :3

[robust nymph]

Except aesthetics ofcourse if you prefer a train over that, but I mean purely logistically

[zenith pecan]

I've actually used temporary concrete skybridges to build from when doing those things before the hoverpack opens.

[robust nymph]

Which fuel are you using?

[viral lotus]

didnt u listen to ADA!! productivity is the most important thing!!! /hj

[viral lotus]

i have no aluminum yet, so... turbo

[robust nymph]

Fair

[frozen cloud]

go get Liquid Biofuel its way nicer to use

[viral lotus]

#screenshots message

check out my base

[WIP]

[viral lotus]

..y?

[frozen cloud]

lasts (way) longer

[viral lotus]

wait really!

i just never made it once

i thought its useless, since its impossible to automatize

[quick sky]

how do i calculate truck throughput 🤔

[frozen cloud]

its personal preference but its my favorite (until ionised)

[viral lotus]

well, i almost completed phase3 :shruggingbitmoji,imtoolazytocopyit:

[quick sky]

you can cross 2 whole biomes in just 1 charge of liquid biofuel it's really great

[frozen cloud]

you dont need much but you can use sloops to turn dead animals into biofuel if you dont have much lying around

[quick sky]

with sprint + slidejump of course

[viral lotus]

tf is slidejump btw? running on a belt?

[viral lotus]

maybe i should~

[quick sky]

i'd say that 500 liquid biofuel is plenty to take you from phase 1 all the way to completing phase 3, cause that's how much i needed, and that amount takes you like 20 minutes if you already have the materials and you sloop it

[quick sky]

sprint with shift, press c while still holding shift, and jump quickly while still holding both buttons

[frozen cloud]

soooo
first you slide
then you jump
youre welcome

[viral lotus]

thx <3

[quick sky]

though it's technically faster if you do it on a belt or when ejecting from a hypertube, slide jumping can be done anywhere

[viral lotus]

i just never participated in the community neither did i read anything cause i wanted an authentic experience and to have no idea what im doing

love figuring shit out

[quick sky]

me neither, i figured it out because i play warframe 😆

[viral lotus]

i hear this word for the first time😭😭

[quick sky]

it's a game about space ninjas

it's also free

[viral lotus]

all i know is minecraft, satisfactory and stardew valley

in this order

xdddd

[quick sky]

i don't know who i am
i don't know what year it is
all i know is that the factory must grow

[viral lotus]

btw, i starded to play satisfactory before i learned about it, ive played minecraft tech mods A LOT

[quick sky]

the automation bug

the addiction must grow

[viral lotus]

WHEWEHW

IMHO satisfactory is "Autism: The Game"

oh also folks

do u know how that aesthetic of pushing productivity/corporate greed/etc is called?

[arctic anvil]

I've noticed that Steam often downloads an update for Satisfactory of 170 kb, does anyone know what it contains??

It has the same size every time

[viral lotus]

probably steam cloud syncing

[arctic anvil]

ohh, that makes sense

[viral lotus]

did anyone ever play multiplayer/on a server?

cause i have no idea how a server could work w satisfactory😭

[zenith pecan]

Not for a long time, my old server box performed like crap when I tried it.

[viral lotus]

understandable

my server is barely alive and looks like a radio (literally) (it also works like a radio)

(but its also a server for my website)

[robust nymph]

Last time I did was still in the very very early stages of EA

[zenith pecan]

My old system was an epyc 7551p (not impressive by any metric I assure you) the thing is back as my media server etc again, I'd say a bog standard mini pc would do better, I only tried it to see if I could get the game logic off my pc that my old save strained, it didn't work out.

[robust nymph]

Like in the weeks after EA release I think?

[viral lotus]

ouchhhh

[viral lotus]

my case says pentium 4, but its actually ryzen 5 xdd

#off-topic-media message

[zenith pecan]

Not a major issue tbh, my machine still does its job, it was just unsuitable for #dedicated-servers 😄 🥶

[crimson jewel]

I did it! I got a whole one truck automated, I don't think it's made exactly the same journey twice due to the unpredictability caused by falling from a cliff but it works and won't break

[quick sky]

should they add armor that makes you take less damage from mobs 🤔

[finite latch]

what's the best way to make plastic? specifically which recipes to produce the most volume.

[frail sleet]

recycled plastic

can do something like this #math-and-meta message

[finite latch]

I am guessing I can continue using the fuel and rubber that loop outputs to make more plastic on top of what its already making

[frail sleet]

I think so. Just googled that pic, i lost my plan a while ago and i was making both plastic and rubber but i'm pretty sure it's best if you want just a ton of one too

[reef basin]

yeah, you can make all outputs to be plastic or rubber, just need different amounts of machines

[finite latch]

some rubber wouldn't hurt.. main goal is an electronics factory.. so boards, connectors, computers, etc

[frail sleet]

IIRC i made 1800 coke, 1200 plastic and 1200 rubber from 1200 oil and some water

[dense violet]

Hor to diluted fuel to recycled plastic is most oil efficient

[finite latch]

I think the diagram uses the diluted fuel recipe

[frail sleet]

Yeah, recycled plastic/rubber essentially converts 1 fuel into 1 plastic or 1 rubber

so your input has to be as much fuel as possible, and diluted fuel / diluted packaged fuel has a ridiculous oil efficiency advantage over everything else

[finite latch]

packaging seems to be a less performant way to go.. not in game but just adds so many more world objects for the game to keep up with.. I'd love a big packaging facility and shipping containers around by train..

[leaden turret]

@void gorge can you ask one of the devs whether it's more performant to ship packaged fluids 1km with the overhead of being packed/unpacked on both ends or sending fluid 1km because belt goes brrr and pipe goes sploosh?

[frail sleet]

My gut says that packaging and unpackaging stuff that you're processing on site anyway would eat significantly more CPU time and memory (so PDF worse than DF) but packaging liquid to stack into a train cart and then drive 5km with is probably much less load than covering that span with dozens of pipes that are updating themselves every tick.

[leaden turret]

are you taking into account fluid simulation in pipe?

[frail sleet]

Yeah, pipe update on many pipes at the frequency that they're done sounds like it would be expensive and that the cost would be continuously increased with each added pipe to cover more distance. Moving 48 stacks of items on a train cart can be greatly simplified.

[sage ledge]

Anyone know how to make a new satisfactory modeler?

[finite latch]

like looking at some of the youtubers nuclear setups.. giant pipe networks to transit water to the reactors.. I tend to put the reactor right near the extractor and reduce the length of pipes the best I can

[frail sleet]

Yeah i am with you on that. Water extractor > few meter pipe > reactor.

Basically a nuclear version of this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1360092382057726003/image.png?ex=6826af3d&is=68255dbd&hm=b18346fc3ac09ca7daeeada4e88eaac71ff1b929badfe753707a72ffd9d36bb1&

I am more in the camp that beauty is derived from function, and you can maybe dress it up a bit but i don't like to seriously compromise design to try to make the asthetics different.

[frail sleet]

Don't know what you mean by this exactly

[dense violet]

well it's not clear how many objects each particular machine has - and you get the packaged diluted much easier and it's very easy to make it into a simple bp

[finite latch]

its less about the objects the machines take up versus the objects on belts

its a lot of containers to render moving around the belts

[frail sleet]

Just from a game performance perspective it takes more machines, more pipes/belts and more active objects to do diluted packaged fuel.

[dense violet]

It just coverts one thing on a belt pipe to another

Also objects on belts aren’t objects. They are virtual

[finite latch]

I thought that was the problem with really really long belts.. trying to render all that stuff moving on them

[leaden turret]

game is virtual

[frail sleet]

rendering is not that much of an issue, game simulation is

[zenith pecan]

I have many multo-kilometre belts, they don't cause issues like they once did in early access.

[dense violet]

double virtual

[dense violet]

like crypto is triple fake money

[finite latch]

then I'm old 😅 been around since steam drop..

[frail sleet]

turning 1600 HOR into 3200 diluted packaged fuel requires 162 active machines.

doing it for diluted fuel requires 32 machines.

There are also far more belts and pipes on the packaged setup and a configuration that certainly takes more memory and cpu time to track and update.

[leaden turret]

[ds9 romulan it's a fake dot gif]

[dense violet]

nah, that'll just get me killed

[mortal ginkgo]

Hello folks. I see some youtube videos that have clean glass foundations but all I have is Glass Frame Foundation. Am I missing something?

[frail sleet]

Probably a mod

[dense violet]

probalby mods

[mortal ginkgo]

oh..

Sadness overtakes me tonight. 😔

[dense violet]

get a mod

[zenith pecan]

I've sometimes used the glass roof pieces as a floor, those look clean.

[mortal ginkgo]

problem with them is they dont exactly align with foundation floors. They are ultra slightly off vertically.

But thanks I will figure something out.

[robust nymph]

Right click drag to select everything, right click click, remove selected

Boom clean slate

[mortal ginkgo]

Another question if I may.

lets say you want to put a coal generator and you do that. But you dont like the position and delete it.

at this moment I have to go through build menu after deletion mode to select it again.

is there a "go back building mode with coal gen already selected" button etc?

[robust nymph]

Put coal gen on your hotbar and press the number?

[hazy harness]

or click middle mouse button when looking at another generator

[mortal ginkgo]

was wondering if there was a quick way without that since DSP does that but thanks. Will do that

[frail sleet]

^This, or mouse over another coal gen and middle mouse yeah i got beat

Another thing that you can do is press "H" i think it was to lock the hologram position, and then you can adjust it with i think WASD and Ctrl for finer adjustments before committing to the build.

With 1.1 the adjustment distance is becoming uncapped, and pageup/down are being added for verticality.

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah I so cant wait for vertical one especially

[pseudo crest]

Also, you can press "H" once you have the building relatively placed to "Hold" it in place. Then you can use arrow keys and PgUp PgDn to nudge it in 1m increments. Press Ctrl to shift to .5m adjustments.

[robust nymph]

Adjust it with arrows for me, wasd will just make you walk no? :p

[mortal ginkgo]

and cap removal will be God sent ❤️

[frail sleet]

my hands do the hotkey remembering for me

i have no clue which button does what sometimes 😄

[robust nymph]

The vertical is exp branch

[pseudo crest]

Oh true. Been on 1.1 for so long I forgot.

[robust nymph]

Fair enough, it’s not an issue I run into with this game much, but back when I played world of warcraft with 30+ keybinds on some classes I would have no idea what a key would do if someone were to ask me what it is bound to but when playing I would press the right things without needing to think about it :p

[dense violet]

you can eye drop with middle mouse button if you have another coal gen nearby

[mortal ginkgo]

didnt have one so was curious 🤔

[dense violet]

hot bar then

[dense violet]

you can also, when building an object, hold E to open a radial menu of similar objects

can compress your hot bar easily that way

[spark kettle]

What's current estimate for 1.1 going normal branch?

[dense violet]

when its ready

they don't give estimates

[abstract heron]

Quick question is Rocket Fuel a liquid or a Gas?

[atomic notch]

Just did a quick search seems like its a gas

[abstract heron]

yay means i don't need a billion pumps

[quick sky]

I put pumps on everything as decoration anyway

[atomic notch]

I havent had to use pumps in a while.

[abstract heron]

ya i am doing 9444.44 rocket fuel factory

[dense violet]

no begging

[sinful bobcat]

Get disposable income

[atomic notch]

Gimme like 50 bucks ill buy it for you

[empty pendant]

lol

I don’t make enough to afford that

[vestal mica]

guys, you don't make eye contact with the beggars or they'll never leave you alone

[empty pendant]

Nah I’ll leave you alone if you just ask

[vestal mica]

sweet. go away

[atomic notch]

Foundry is like 15 bucks

[candid needle]

Is there something I can do to prevent having to remove and put back conveyor belts for the constructor to accept the resources? When I change the recipe craft the items get stuck on the conveyor belt and dont go in until I remove and put back the belt

[lime solar]

does satisfactory support the intel frame generation?

[dense violet]

no, but you generally don't change recipes for a factory. It's not how it's really supposed to go

[candid needle]

gotcha

[dense violet]

in general you create a factory for a dedicated purpose.

[rapid wren]

hey chat, have we recieved 3m foundations/ramps yet?

[dense violet]

you could make one with beams

[candid needle]

So when you start a new game do you aim to keep making a dedicated line for each craft you initially need?

[rapid wren]

it is gonna cost 1000 steel? i wanna make a train tower blueprint with it

[dense violet]

like tiers 1 and 2? yeah in general you need a constant stream of basically everything throughout the game

[dense violet]

Making 1x 3m ramp foundation probalby wouldn't cost much

[candid needle]

okay I see, the biofuel stuff has been limiting because you can only connect like 3 machines to it

[dense violet]

and often, when you unlock phase 2 and get coal power many people rip up everything and rebuild

[dense violet]

more bioburners 🙂 punch like 10,000 leaves and then turn them to solid biomass. better burn rate

[candid needle]

ahh coal souds good if I can just put a miner on it

but can you connect more than 4 things then?

[dense violet]

use power poles

many power poles and you can connect infinite things

[candid needle]

oh shit I can use another power pole for the same biofuel burner?

[dense violet]

well you connect 1 power pole to another power pole

and so on and so on

[candid needle]

ahhhh okay okay thanks

[sand relic]

You can chain as many power poles together as you want

[somber quartz]

anyone know when 1.1 is coming out?

or eta

[sand relic]

no eta

[vestal mica]

Jesus probably does.

all knowing and whatnot

[somber quartz]

Sadge

[worthy valley]

So I'm making a massive oil rig. I know I'll need multiple pipelines just to transport it all, but once I'm in the facility, can i connect them such that one will compensate for the other if i don't have stuff split to refineries evenly?

[restive plover]

As expected, I just needed to step away, get some sleep and now I can make curves.

[boreal musk]

keep pipes separate to their own system

if you have 1 pipe of 600, build an array of refinery that use 600

[sand relic]

Kind of? With enough junctions and valves you can do anything, but thats just a bandaid, or more likely just making it worse. Basically it would be 1000x easier to just have your machines evenly split to their own oil pipes.

If you have oil pumping 600, and machines consuming 600, you will never have an issue.

[leaden turret]

🚽 ? 🥁

[sand relic]

Put a shop on each solid product line (rubber, plastic, packaged fuel, etc) to consume the extras so your pipes never stop flowing

[vestal mica]

Famous last words

[sand relic]

but like, thats tru

[boreal musk]

in general, just skip valves and keep pipe as simple as you can

[sand relic]

if its not, your issues are somewhere else

[leaden turret]

• accidentally disconnecting a thing
• accidentally not upgrading a belt
• shennanigans

[sand relic]

^

• voodoo magic
• god intervention
• player mistakes

none of these happen surely

[leaden turret]

shennanigans was intended to mean developer bugs, does that count as god intervention?

[sand relic]

Id say so yeh 😂

[dense violet]

what soranei said - keep pipe system independent from each other

[atomic notch]

Prolly when its ready

[somber quartz]

yeah obv

but i wanna start a new world soon, but if the update hits right after i start a new world it'll be pretty sad

lol

[quick sky]

it's supposed to be free today and for 4 days. but I can't see anything on steam

[quick sky]

are biomass gens or fuel gens more efficient for burning biofuel?

[vestal mica]

how much energy you get depends on the fuel so the total output should be the same. it will just come down to how many generators you need

although i don't know if fuel gens would slow down if demand was lower

[steady dome]

Only biogens match their output to demand

[vestal mica]

yeah, so I guess the fuel gens would just eat up the fuel even if you didn't need the power

dunno for sure honestly. never used liquid biofuel for anything other than the jetpack

are you sure you can put liquid biofuel in the biomass burners?

when it's packaged i guess?

[quick sky]

yes, it has to be packaged

[vestal mica]

yeah, i looked. it's also only a 10% gain over solid biofuel and that doesn't take into account the water extractor and refinery and packager energy costs. i personally would never use it for power grid power

[stuck dagger]

• the trouble of getting canisters to begin with

[frail sleet]

It's an 11.11% gain, but because you can sloop the refinery you get 2.22x power from doing that step. It's one of the most worthwhile uses of sloops in the game

[vestal mica]

sorry. um, solid biofuel is only a 10% loss from liquid biofuel. that's what i meant

and all my sloops are spoken for

[frail sleet]

one slooped refinery outputs 300 liquid biofuel per min which is 50 coal generators worth of gross power (3.75gw)

Not bad for 22.5 wood per minute.

[leaden turret]

sounds like the title of a satisfactory romance novel

[vestal mica]

are you sure it's 300?

[frail sleet]

OC'd and slooped, yeah.

I'm doublechecking numbers atm 😄 😄

[vestal mica]

well, oc doesn't matter becuase that also doubles the required fuel

if you're looking at efficiency it just makes it worse

way more energy to get your 22% gain

sorry, 122%

[frail sleet]

It makes it much higher efficiency because the energy costs of the refinery and constructors are far lower than the energy generated by the output

they are only a tiny tiny fraction, so increasing them by 5x doesn't really matter that much

[vestal mica]

overclocking them just makes them less efficient you're losing the gains you're trying to achieve. it would drop below even double

[frail sleet]

300 liquid biofuel = 225 solid biofuel = 225 biomass = 22.5 wood

Buildings used:

22.5 wood > 225 biomass = 1 slooped constructor at 37.5% (~6mw)

225 biomass > 225 solid biofuel = 1 slooped constructor at 187.5% (~35mw)

225 solid biofuel > 300 liquid biomass = 1 slooped refinery at 250% (~360mw)

So it costs ~400mw to turn 450mw of fuel into 3750mw.

[vestal mica]

but the argument i was making was solid vs liquid. not wood vs liquid

[frail sleet]

In that case you spend 360mw to turn 1687mw into 3750mw

it's over a 2x net power gain, the OC+sloop refinery just takes it from 2.22x to 2x

[vestal mica]

there's also a water extractor!

[frail sleet]

That's 20 megawatts

so it's like 1.99x

[vestal mica]

see, told you

[frail sleet]

😛

basically it's 2.22x gross power, but the power of the refinery and extractor knock the net power down to like 1.99x. It's an enormous multiplier for hand-gathered materials and well worth it!

[vestal mica]

and you've spend a shit ton of sloops on something so you have to go cut down trees every 4 hours instead of every 2 hours

[frail sleet]

Especially when you consider start of the chain to end, you get around 790-800% as much net power per wood/leaf.

[vestal mica]

it's a meme though anyway

[atomic notch]

Biomass gens sonce fuel gens run at a set clock speed

[frail sleet]

It's not a shit ton, it's 4 sloops that are in there for like 2% of the time if you're using it for jetpack fuel, or 100% of the time if they're making 50 coal gens worth of power

[vestal mica]

i need all my sloops for real things. i get it, you get more, but it's a meme

[frail sleet]

do i recommend people do that and go gather wood to run their factories in P3? No. Does it radically improve biomass? Yes

you just can't really compete with zero-time-gathering fuels either way. But if you insist for a challenge or something, it's definitely the way to go

[vestal mica]

if you insist. but if you use fuel gens, they'll just eat it up even when you don't need the power

you have to package it and put it in biomass burners if you want to go full meme

[atomic notch]

I think im runnin 2250 mw off my biofuel

[vestal mica]

how many biomass burners will it take

[atomic notch]

Alot

Its like 2.4 pm iirc

[frail sleet]

2250mw = 75 burners

[atomic notch]

Yeah

[vestal mica]

you made 3750 though right? so 125 burners

do they just eat the canisters as well?

they don't have an output

[atomic notch]

I could sloop refineries and get more but its already takin a bit of space

[frail sleet]

Yeah, that's a sizeable problem with using biomass burners

[atomic notch]

Yeah burnin canisters

[frail sleet]

i think fuel gens are the way to go, but you have to be careful with how much you burn when

[atomic notch]

I just did the iron copper canisters

[frail sleet]

so as not to just waste it

[atomic notch]

Yeah fuel gens u want a switch

[frail sleet]

It's actually not too bad with copper and iron in assembler to make cannisters i think

[hollow fossil]

wsp everyone

[frail sleet]

probably better than anything but the most careful power management 😄 😄

[vestal mica]

is there any point though, other than to just do it? what is the scenariou where you actully flip that switch?

[atomic notch]

The fuel vens will just burn through it all

[frail sleet]

If you have enough of X thing, flip a switch to turn its factory off.

If you need more, flip the switch on.

[atomic notch]

Biomass burners only run when you use all the other power

I havent even been close to tapping into it

[vestal mica]

oh yeah, i forgot you were using those.

[grizzled lotus]

what's the point of empty platforms?

[vestal mica]

it's an existential statement on the pointlessness of it all

[atomic notch]

Locomotives/cars that arent being loaded at the station

[grizzled lotus]

railways definitely need some form of in-game tutorial or guide. they are far more complex than anything in the game so far

[atomic notch]

Not really

People add their own complexity

Not the games fault

[cedar kestrel]

is there a way to reset achievements in Epic?

[grizzled lotus]

if something's purpose isn't apparently useful I think it's worth explaining

[vestal mica]

how fast does a biomass burner eat a packaged liquid biofuel canister?

assuming full power draw

[grizzled lotus]

block signals, they simply avoid trains crashing right? does something happen if they crash? and I'm guessing I'm supposed to use them at train stations, correct?

[atomic notch]

I never use signals

But yeah they can get complicated took me a few minutes to figure out

Block signals are all you really need path signals are for bi directional shenanigans but if you can keep all the trains going the same direction you can just put a bunch of block signals and call it good

But if you eliminate all traffic and just do single train tracks its way easier and you lose all the complexity

[vestal mica]

maybe it was a time thing. shows as free to play for a few days now

[robust nymph]

#screenshots

[robust nymph]

they separate the track into sections. only one train will ever occupy a section at a time, if there is a train in a section another train will wait for that train to leave said section before entering

[vestal mica]

that would be a lot of canisters

[grizzled lotus]

what if there are no block signals? what happens to the trains

[robust nymph]

I haven't read the whole conversation you guys were having about it and I don't really want to tbh, so just, why? XD

[robust nymph]

they crash and derail

[grizzled lotus]

D :

[vestal mica]

it's not worth rehashing

[robust nymph]

right

[robust nymph]

you need to manually put it back on the track if that happens

so, either run only 1 train per line or use signals :p

[grizzled lotus]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1372630195319734453 thoughts?

[robust nymph]

deconstruct your MAM

but, Iron pipe. it's kinda bad imo, but that smart plating recipe is worse

[grizzled lotus]

I'm leaning towards iron pipe tbh already because I'm having a problem with steel

[grizzled lotus]

why

[robust nymph]

what problem are you having with steel?

[robust nymph]

because both of those recipes suck

[atomic notch]

Hahaha

They dont suck its just a preference

Iron pipes yeah not good

[white dawn]

Yeah, counterpoint: they're both great

[atomic notch]

Smart plating decent

[white dawn]

Iron Pipes eats a lot of iron, but who cares? There's iron everywhere.

For smart plating you get to double your output just by adding some plastic

Great for scaling up SE production for later steps, if you need to

[robust nymph]

eh, that smart plating recipe seems way overcomplicated over the normal recipe, iron pipe is just really expensive on the iron

but yes, none out of every alt recipe is bad to the extent it's unusable

[atomic notch]

Me bc i dont wanna run another train into my factory and im makin an ungodly amount of steel anyway

[white dawn]

As with basically all recipes: they're at the very least situationally useful

[robust nymph]

I just find it very hard to think of a scenario where I want to spend plastic on smart platings instead of iron, which is much more abundant

[atomic notch]

It just adds plastic you can keep the same production just replace assembler with manufacturer and run plastic in

[white dawn]

It's literally just the same recipe but with plastic added (okay, the specific production numbers are slightly different, but it's the same ratio -- can clock it however you want)

[robust nymph]

that's what I'm saying though? you're cutting your iron cost in half and spending oil on it

[white dawn]

Anyway, the moral is: you might not like those recipes, but that's just an opinion. They're not objectively good or bad; they're situationally useful and many folks have been quite happy to use them. :)

[robust nymph]

seems like a shitty deal imo

[robust nymph]

but yes, none out of every alt recipe is bad to the extent it's unusable

[white dawn]

There's a lot of oil on the map; you're never gonna use it all unless you're specifically trying to.

[atomic notch]

Oil diamonds haha

[grizzled lotus]

hmmm, sounds all very situational. I'm having trouble transferring stuff with trains and oil stuff, the iron pipes is the one for me

[white dawn]

By the time I finished my 1.0 save I was literally only using 20% of the map's oil

Sure, recipes are by definition situationally appropriate

Have copper but not caterium? Bam, there's a recipe for you. Want to double your Smart Plating by just adding (a relatively small amount of) platic? Bam, there you go

You don't even have to settle on always using a specific alt; a lot can depend on where you're building the specific factory

I used like four different aluminum production chains throughout my 1.0 playthrough

[atomic notch]

Iron pipes and iron wire plus steel rotors makes motors super fun

[white dawn]

Partially it's also a case of: there are more hard drives on the map than you can even use, and you can even buy hard drives from the shop in the endgame. You'll be getting all the alts anyway, so you might as well just redeem 'em and have 'em in your pocket

[robust nymph]

you need a grand total of 4300 smart plating throughout the entire game, I can't think of a scenario where I would need to double smart plating production

[white dawn]

If you had to pick and choose in the long run, then maybe I'd have stronger opinions, but there's basically only two alts that I'm unlikely to ever use

[robust nymph]

set up a very small smart plating line the first time you need it and it will cover your entire playthrough

[white dawn]

Not everyone only makes the minimum quantity of SE parts

[atomic notch]

Depends on how you play ig

[white dawn]

I have never done a playthrough where I haven't fully automated each step

And I've never done the "hook a storage container up to a machine" thing. I'm playing the game to automate, after all. :)

Once I'm producing something, it stays producing forever

[atomic notch]

Most my runs end up speedrunning to p4 then just messing around for a while

[robust nymph]

if you go for a, let's say, high amount of Ballistic Warp Drive (or another of the complicated parts) factory as your final act I doubt that you will be using that smart plating alt

[robust nymph]

for me too, for all the useful parts, and whatever part(s) I decide to dedicate the end of my playthrough to. I don't see a point in using that alt

[white dawn]

Sure, you don't.

That doesn't make it a bad recipe, though. :)

[atomic notch]

Just like you wouldnt use charcoal but i do

[robust nymph]

and you won't be able to use that alt the first time you automate smart plating. sure, it stays producing, but prob not while using plastic, unless you decide to upgrade your smart plating line later on for whatever reason?

[white dawn]

You won't even have the opportunity to redeem that alt until you have plastic available. :)

And yes, I've upped my Smart Plating production in the past to account for more-advanced SE part builds

I'm not saying you're wrong to have your opinion, just that your opinion doesn't translate into objective truth

And all alt recipes are at least situationally useful -- there's no bad ones.

[robust nymph]

have you ever used that smart plating alt?

[white dawn]

Yes, for exactly the purpose I just said

Send some plastic over and boom, twice the production. ezpz.

That amount of plastic is small change

The nice thing is that the only thing you have to touch is that last step

I realize that Smart Plating itself is pretty trivial; it's not like it'd take that long to spin up a second factory instead, if you wanted to double production

But just plopping in some plastic and swapping out the final manifold is nice and even more trivial (IMO, anyway)

[vestal mica]

I have

[grizzled lotus]

can I use pipe junctions like belt mergers?

[white dawn]

It's best not to think of pipes in terms of belts at all, but yes: pipe junctions are both splitters + mergers. Liquid flow can be all over the place. :)

[merry kettle]

Critical difference: Liquids can flow backwards, which can reduce the throughput of a pipe.

(Gases too, incidentally.)

[grizzled lotus]

I just heard a whistle in-game. did I imagine it?

[green fiber]

Depends, what kind

[green fiber]

Every junction is both splitter and merger at the same time without exception

[vestal mica]

conjunction junction? malfunction junction? spaghetti junction? injunction?

what do you call it when you won't let trash hang out with you?

a junk shun

[peak wasp]

Wow, I just got the worst hard drive ever lol

First scan of it gave casted screws (5 iron ingots for 20 screws, 50/m), and the other one was biocoal (Just completely worthless)

[vestal mica]

don't say that. you'll trigger all the hard drive bots that will cancel you for saying any alt recipe is bad

[azure swan]

You just wait. If you constantly take the lesser of 2 evils out of every hard drive, once you've taken everything else eventually you get a HD with literally your 2 least liked recipes /shrug

[peak wasp]

And the second one is a recipe for automated miners (?????) and fused wire (4 copper + 1 caterium for 30 wire, 90/m). I already have the recipe that's 15 caterium ingots for 120 wire a minute

[junior laurel]

Automated miners is peak

[green fiber]

Fused wire is neat. A bit more effort than caterium wire, but goes a lot further

[vestal mica]

fused wire is ok. caterium wire, the one you have is horrible in my opinion

[green fiber]

Its not that bad. Caterium is not that often used

Ive never heard of anyone that ran out of caterium in all honesty

[peak wasp]

Caterium does take a lot of ore, but 120/m of copper wire is pretty good for just a constructor and smelter to produce

Say, if I just never accept either of these two options, will other hard drives be able to display them?

Could I just leave this hard drive here forever and never find these two recipes again?

[vestal mica]

that's right

[green fiber]

I believe no

Recipes are locked to drives once they appear there so you dont get overlap

[proper olive]

anyone know when the next satisfactory sale on steam will be

[peak wasp]

I got two different answers and I don't know which half of the question either are referring to

[vestal mica]

June 31st

[green fiber]

I refered to the initial one, krumpps to the second one

[peak wasp]

I see

[vestal mica]

you can leave it there. you can't get it again while it's still pending on a drive in your library

[peak wasp]

Thanks

Both of you, I mean

[azure swan]

I do recommend this approach. I used the approach of always picking something and just picking the lesser of two evils but just hanging onto it gives you the option of using it if/when the time comes to actually use the recipe, or just hang onto it so you can see something different.

[vestal mica]

is it possible to do a zero-handcrafting run? (except for equipment workshop items?)

i can't remember if you would hit a wall later on where you have to hand-craft something in order to build the machine that makes those items because it just doesn't exist at crash sites

[shell scroll]

You have to handcraft to get up to manufacturers, I believe, but beyond that you're clear to never hammer again. Might delay a few things.

[azure swan]

There are some notable roadblocks that would be, at the very least, a pain. Like reanimated SAM.

I think crystal oscillators too?

Exactly like Joe said. The manufacturer stuff. I don't think any of it is strictly REQUIRED to move on, but certainly makes life easier.

[shell scroll]

Basically, there's one item for assemblers which require themselves to craft. I just double-checked, and you actually can build mfg's without handcrafting, but it depends on if you want to use alt recipes, and it'd delay ammo production like you mentioned.

And if you're searching crash sites, you might just be able to avoid it altogether if you're trying a challenge run.

[azure swan]

Well what I meant is there are several products you can access and hand craft that would otherwise require use of a manufacturer, before you get the manufacturer (like reanimated sam and I think crystal oscillators, maybe computers?)

You'll never find any reanimated sam, but you can find boatloads of crystal oscillators.

[thorny valley]

Im trying to use scim and im a bit confused, I cant figure it out ig, im putting in 1800 oil but its not telling me how much turbo fuel I can make from that

[vestal mica]

yeah, not being to able to make dimensional depots yet has been annoying, because you need manufacturers to make the sam bits if you're not handcrafting. but it's just a delay, not a block

[vestal mica]

yeah, i think i'm good, with crash site dismantling giving additional basic stuff, i haven't had to hand craft anything and i'm about to unlock manufacturers

[reef basin]

sink points

[azure swan]

Yeah I keep making a new setup every phase and just dump the last phases elevator parts into a sink. Would probably be better to use those elevator parts but I usually want to start fresh to escape the hell I created last phase lol

[hard ivy]

Pro tip: don't use SCIM for calculations

[cyan garnet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=lwMeKUbN1zeMewfP0NLe

666.67 turbo fuel from 1200 crude using the default turbo fuel recipe. There are alts (turbo heavy and turbo blend) which may be more resource efficient or have higher yield. Idk I’ve never messed w turbo myself

[hard ivy]

Unless you're making at least 1200, I'd say it's not even worth going all the way to turbo. You can get 3200 fuel from 1200 oil, and that's 40 GW. If you're not getting more power from turbo, you're just throwing away the sulfur and coal for nothing

[rancid plover]

those are fucking amazing

[hard ivy]

Imo, cast screw is the worst good recipe. It's objectively better than default screw + default rod, but it barely makes any difference, especially when you can just stop making screws entirely after getting to steel. Just a waste of a drive, imo

[rancid plover]

it makes it so you dont have to make rods to make screws

i love it, i can make less constructers and use less power and use less space

[hard ivy]

Or you could have even less power and less space by not making screws in the first place

recipes that use screws are almost all just expensive

[rancid plover]

but... need screws?

[hard ivy]

past steel, you don't need to make a single screw

even before, you don't need to make a single one, but you'll need to find some

[vestal mica]

well, the number they said was with no alts. you can only get 800 fuel from 1200 oil if you don't use alts.

[hard ivy]

Turbofuel needs 2 drives. With 2 drives, you can make 40 GW from 1200 oil with fuel

Just save scum if you only want to spend 2 drives on this

[vestal mica]

but those 2 drives are guaranteed. you don't have to cheat

[hard ivy]

And you'll have more power easier and cheaper

[vestal mica]

if you allow alts, you can make roughly 90GW with 1200 fuel and turbo fuel

[shell scroll]

If you manage to get HOR and Residual Fuel, you can double regular fuel output, as well.

[vestal mica]

i mean 1200 oil

[atomic notch]

I think my tf is only using like 562.5 sulfur pm

Oh shit late reply hahaha

[vestal mica]

it's still probably not worth the effort and all the sulfur, but it's still more than double the power you'd get from just fuel

[hard ivy]

The only advantage of TF is the oil efficiency. It's more complicated, takes sulfur and coal as well and takes more machines to make than fuel. Unless you care about the oil, and only the oil, TF is not worth making imo

[vestal mica]

i don't disagree. I just think it's a bit disengenuous to compare alt recipe fuel production to vanilla turbo

[atomic notch]

Fair

[hard ivy]

both need 2 drives ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic notch]

Also fair

[vestal mica]

so you're saying don't do this thing that will give you twice as much power because you'll have to get two hard drives to do it?

not even "you'll have to farm hard drives until you get lucky and get the recipe you want" but literally just get 2 hard drive

[hard ivy]

It won't give you twice as much power unless you spend 4 drives

[vestal mica]

yeah, but you hae to spend 2 drives to get a lot of power from fuel too

SO it's just 2 more hard drives, and they're guaranteed

[atomic notch]

My reason for tf? I built so many df its just tiring at this point

[vestal mica]

right? the same 2 hard drives you're somehow getting for free for your fuel setup, are the same 2 you need as part of your 4 for turbo fuel

the hard drive argument is a dumb reason to tell people not to do it.

the, "it uses a ton of sulfur and you don't get that much more power from it" is a good argument

[hard ivy]

I only brought up hard drives because you brought up vanilla turbo. Idk why would anyone do that other than not having the drives

[vestal mica]

i brought up vanilla turbo becuase that was the original number quoted 666 from 1200 oil.

which you compared to alted fuel amounts

[lament vault]

is there any reason for overclocking constructors and assemblers as opposed to just using more of them?

[vestal mica]

but you get 2666 turbo from 1200 oil with those 2+2 harddrivess

[vestal mica]

not really. aesthetics maybe. save space. waste power

[atomic notch]

Depend on how u set up ur logistics

U can clock to match inputs then just do 1-1 or you can clock fir better manifold ratios

Like for anything that needs screws ill stick one constructor then just match the input. Cuts out lots of belt work

[hard ivy]

Eh, all my machines are clocked at either 100% or 250%, depending on whether I'm in tier 9 or not

[atomic notch]

Yeah

Mine are usually weird fractions

But easy belt work is worth it to me

[vestal mica]

everyone doesn't type (2 + 43/134)/3*100 into their clockspeed

to get some exact amount? am I the only weirdo

[hard ivy]

I don't see a reason to do that

other than OCD ig

[vestal mica]

to make sure those machines only pull the amount of resources i need them to

expecially if there's more of that resource going downstream

to other machines i don't want to starve

[hard ivy]

I make sure of that by clocking the last machines before a sink exactly

[vestal mica]

but you just said all your machines are 100 or 250

[hard ivy]

and I do that by planning for an amount that allows them to all be at 100/250%

So it's exact while being the same as everything else

[vestal mica]

seems like a weird restriction on the design

and your outputs

[hard ivy]

Eh, it has never bothered me

It doesn't really matter if I make 30 or 33.75 HMFs

[vestal mica]

i guess I might not be grasping what you mean exactly. because half my setups would have issues if i didn't allow changing the clock speed

[shell scroll]

I usually build more processors and underclock them evenly to save on power. There's plenty of space and T9's power needs are ridiculous. Only thing I max clock are the extractors.

[hard ivy]

All of my items are made from raw ores and only end up in the depots, so it does not matter at all how much exactly I make. I only need to exceed my average usage to make sure the containers don't empty and the rest gets sunk

[vestal mica]

everyone's items are made from raw ores.

[hard ivy]

I meant that I'm not using items made in one factory in another.

So I don't have like an iron ingot factory that supplies plates, rotors, motors, frames, etc

[placid stirrup]

'Independency' is the term you're referring to

There's a nice write-up on the wiki 🙂

[vestal mica]

yeah but even then how? .... like super simple. start of the game. you have 60 iron ore per minute and want to make rotors... 60 ore -> 60 ingots -> 60 rods .... now you're stuck you need 3.3333 screw constructors if you want to maximize rotors

[frail sleet]

You still need to create e.g. iron plates on the way to making reinforced iron plates.

[hard ivy]

I build 4

[frail sleet]

so you just run machines idle and imbalanced instead of underclocking

[hard ivy]

yes

[vestal mica]

so you don't get as much rotors as you could and just pile up screws?

[frail sleet]

it works, but not as well 😄

[hard ivy]

4 is more than 3.333 so no, I'm not making less rotors

if i built 3, it would be less rotors

[vestal mica]

well, it would be less rotors until all the screw buffers filled up. and it would all be turning yellow all the time

[hard ivy]

Yes, and?

[vestal mica]

that would make me insane

[shell scroll]

The How in my case is an external tool like Satisfactory Tools website or the steam app Satisfactory Modeller. Put in your inputs and you'll know just how many processors you'll need. If you end up with a fraction, then just round up and underclock them (i.e. 4 at 83.4% to get 3.333).

[hard ivy]

I'll get the same output as you eventually

and less math and/or work on my side

[vestal mica]

yeah, i like to be able to look at all my machines and if I see yellow, i know i messed up somewhere

[hard ivy]

If I see yellow on the step that is the bottleneck, I know I made a mistake

not all machines need to be clocked exactly to see that, only one set

[shell scroll]

Looks like in 1.1 we'll have another tool to check - belt readers.

[hard ivy]

And if there's a mistake and you've clocked everything exactly, everything will be yellow, not just the step that has the mistake

[vestal mica]

that's not true at all

[shell scroll]

Technically, but it's better power savings if you balance the underclock.

[thin tundra]

So Im a bit... out of the headspace for Nuclear Power plants.... Whats better, Ficsonium or Plutonium? Ive never done NPP before.

[hard ivy]

define better

[thin tundra]

Higher powercap for as many/less

[shell scroll]

I wouldn't put Plutonium in a power plant until you have Ficsonium available, or there's waste piliing up.

[vestal mica]

you can't have ficsonium without plutonium as far as i know

[hard ivy]

converting bauxite to more uranium and not making any ficsonium

[thin tundra]

oh?

[vestal mica]

ficsonium is just a way to make nuclear wasteless

[thin tundra]

ooohhh

[hard ivy]

you can also do that with plutonium - just sink it

and it's cheaper per MW than ficsonium

[thin tundra]

So I turn Uranium into Plutonium, and the waste into Ficsonium?

[shell scroll]

Before you can make ficsonium, just make plutonium fuel and sink it.

[shell scroll]

Yup

Then either sink the ficsonium fuel or put it into more power plants. It's less power, but wasteless.

[thin tundra]

What are the best recipies for raw uranium into Plutonium Fuel Rods?

[hard ivy]

again, define best

for sinking, defaults

[thin tundra]

For power.

[hard ivy]

power per what?

or maximum possible?

[thin tundra]

Im not sure I follow. The most power per raw uranium

What else would be "best" for uranium? xD

[hard ivy]

effort?

you can make more uranium from bauxite

[thin tundra]

Im avoiding the conversion recipies

[shell scroll]

I'd check the Tools website to help pick a recipe. It's good at maximizing per-ore amounts.

[vestal mica]

why is this less power?

you can get power from the plutonium as well instead of sinking it

[hard ivy]

then all alts for uranium cells, uranium rods, plut cells, and plut rods will give you most plutonium per uranium ore

[shell scroll]

As in, each ficsonium fuel cell produces less power than a plutonium cell does, but without the tradeoff of waste. It doesn't drastically increase your power gen like switching from fuel to ionized fuel does.

[hard ivy]

just double check how much getting rid of all your plut waste will cost you, because ficsonium is expensive as fuck

[thin tundra]

Isnt it the only way to get rid of plutonium waste?

[hard ivy]

yes

[shell scroll]

Yes.

[hard ivy]

but you don't need to make it in the first place

you can just sink the plut rods and you also won't have any waste

[shell scroll]

I got plenty of power between Uranium fuel (sinking the plut) and Ionized gas plants to finish the game.

[hard ivy]

it'll be less power per uranium, but much cheaper overall

[reef basin]

waste piling up is not an issue tho

[hard ivy]

you can put it 2km up in the sky and it won't be an issue for actual irl decades

[shell scroll]

It is if you care about efficiency. Ficsit does not waste. (plus I can only put up with so many storages in the empty corner)

[reef basin]

storing waste doesn't change anything about efficiency

[vestal mica]

Plutonium rods generate so much power, that power plus the power from the ficsonium rods has to be(?) a net power gain even having to make the ficsonium over just throwing the plutonium rods away. I don't know. I've never done it.

[shell scroll]

Making waste does. I just prefer not to until I can do something with it.

[reef basin]

efficiency is just "machines run 100% of time" 🤷

[shell scroll]

It does if you're willing to put in the effort to do so. I was not during my first playthrough, but I probably will next time.

[vestal mica]

unless i'm doing the math wrong, it's a huge power gain

[hard ivy]

It's also a huge cost

[vestal mica]

i'm counting the power cost

[shell scroll]

Cost of human effort, not of power.

[vestal mica]

oh, but the human effort is why we play right? that's the fun part

[hard ivy]

and resource cost

[shell scroll]

It's absolutely worth it, if you find the resources and the time.

[vestal mica]

it takes a lot of SAM. the rest seems manageable

[hard ivy]

bauxite and copper too

[shell scroll]

In other words, more SAM 😉

[vestal mica]

eh, i shouldn't argue about something i've never tried to do and probably never will

i like planning. actually building it.. i can take it or leave it

[hidden sparrow]

Making fixonium is a loss of power, but with plutonium included its a gain

[left totem]

fixonium

[thin tundra]

Well either way, Im importing 2100 raw uranium (Which unless I missed an update is the maximum amount of all nodes on the map)

[vestal mica]

yeah, if you're already using the plutonium for power and just sstacking up waste, converting that waste to fixo rods is a net power loss on what the rods generate

but if you're sinking the plutonium rods so you don't have waste, then burning them and converting the waste is still a huge power gain from teh plutonium part

[hidden sparrow]

When im finished with my projects i'll just take the remaining sam in the world and just make as much uranium as i can

[unkempt blade]

I'm playing to rebuild all the tony hawk levels but for factory carts. It's my legacy

[vestal mica]

it's good to have goals

[unkempt blade]

I'm through THPS4 so far. I have a lot of work to do still

[hidden sparrow]

Its even better to have insane goals that will take thousands of hours

[hard ivy]

It's impossible to fully efficiently turn it all into maximum ficsonium

[left totem]

it's technically better to have a life

[hard ivy]

not enough SAM for that

[thin tundra]

Why is that\

[unkempt blade]

you just need a remote job with low expectations and then you can do both!

[left totem]

if only that existed

[unkempt blade]

oh they for sure exist 😄

[hard ivy]

The max ficsonium from 2100 uranium without sloops in rods/cells, is 152/min. 24320 SAM just for the ficsite

[cyan garnet]

Max uranium rods possible (from 2100 ore, without conversion) is 50.4/min which grosses you 630 GW

[frail sleet]

grosses you 630GW? 😄

gotta subtract the power from making all of the uranium rods (and maybe plutonium rods for wasteless), but yeah still like +550GW or something

[cyan garnet]

Yeah true. Bad word choice

[hard ivy]

Without underclocking so low you'd need extra machines, the max net power this way is 587 GW. If you optimize for resources, it's more like 575

[prisma thicket]

Are small power consumption fluctuations just a thing I have to deal with? Getting like 1.9 MW changes every so often and for the life of me I can't find what's causing it. I just want a smooth line graph 😭

[hard ivy]

Trains, sinks, some T8 and T9 machines

that's all variable power consumption I know of

and machines turning on and off, obviously

[prisma thicket]

Oh, sinks can cause it? That's probably it then

[hard ivy]

Yeah, but I think they're only 15 or 0.1 MW

14.9 MW fluctuations

[reef basin]

vehicle stations

[prisma thicket]

I don't have any vehicles or trains

[reef basin]

apart from drone ports, those are fixed

hoverpack

[prisma thicket]

Not using hoverpack 😅

[atomic notch]

Hypertube

[reef basin]

entrances consume all the time

[atomic notch]

Oh

[prisma thicket]

No hypertubes

[atomic notch]

Jump pads?

[prisma thicket]

Nope. I either zipline or jetpack everywhere xD

[hard ivy]

If you only have production machines, then only production machines can cause it

and this small differece can be from an underclocked machine turning on and off

[atomic notch]

Yeah i gave up on flatlining

[hard ivy]

other than that, definitely trains could do that but if you don't have them, then that's not it

I never even bothered trying

leaving all machines at 100% speed is much more convenient

[atomic notch]

I used to for some reason but it gets hard late game

Its easy with like 5k power supply but past that and theres way too much stuff not gonna soend a bunch of time lookin for yellow lights

[hard ivy]

and the power benefits of underclocking are barely significant

unless you build extra machines, it's only a few %

[atomic notch]

Yeah like trying to save power after a certain point is kinda pointless

Can get a quick start with underclocking but you wanna drop the habit around p3

[peak wasp]

I just underclock things for the satisfaction of it

Having a machine ahead of it get the exact amount of material it needs, so the conveyor feeding it is always working and never stuck, is just satisfying

[hard ivy]

again, unless you build extra machines, there's barely any difference. 4 machines at 83.33% clock (producing 3.333 times what 1 at 100 speed and uptime would) consume 5% less power than 4 machines at 100 speed and 83.33% uptime

[atomic notch]

1% everything

[hard ivy]

then you save 77%

4.5 times less power vs 100%

[atomic notch]

Save -1billion space

Imagine 100 constructors for 20 plates