satisfactory

[misty tulip]

I’ve just completed the game solo in 78.9 hours and I was wondering what everyone else’s time was ?

[rich ivy]

showoff

600 hours and just now unlocked quantum encoding

[frozen cloud]

60 hours #screenshots message

[misty tulip]

Alone ?

[frozen cloud]

yes

[misty tulip]

Ggs

[frozen cloud]

and then you realize that the current speedrun is 9 hours 😭

[misty tulip]

Yea but my world was rather something

[rich ivy]

so uh

dark matter crystals are gonna be the bane of my existence this time around

[misty tulip]

I made a conveyor spanning the entire map lol

[frozen cloud]

hahahaha

[rich ivy]

every single tier ive had one item that made my life hell

and this is that item for tier 9

i wanna turn all 5 of my nuclear pasta into singularity cells

and get at least one fully powered power augmenter

those alone will require 220 per minute

[shell obsidian]

I can't be the only person who really wants motors and pistons in the game so you can move foundations and stuff right?

And also logic

[ocean frost]

Moving stuff would cause so many issues for logistics, belts, rails, buildings.

[dense violet]

considering the game works off static production I'm not sure what you'd 'logic'

[leaden turret]

looks at those games CMs have played on stream

[rapid valve]

there's a mod for that

[prisma thicket]

Is the Instant Scrap alt recipe worth it?

[rapid valve]

well it simplifies things a bit and cuts down on refinery spam some. but as far as actual meta math numbernerdery idk

[frozen cloud]

its same bauxite efficiency as sloppy+electrode but costs extra sulfur
i personally dont like it but its fine to use if youve got sulfur around
it also makes the byproduct handeling a alot easier which can help

[prisma thicket]

Alright, thanks.

Man I wish we could combine the Hoverpack and Jetpack, like you use the jetpack when there's no power around, but as soon as you attach to a power grid the hoverpack turns on and you can fly over your bases.

[viral vector]

That moment when you accidentally hit precisely 10GW in a new power plant (0 consumption)

[prisma thicket]

Very nice

[gilded ledge]

Has anyone got performance issues with the radeon rx580 playing in 1080p?

[viral vector]

I posted a pic in #screenshots

I'm rather pleased with myself tbh

[eager oar]

Sweet. Delicious. Raw. Power.

[prisma thicket]

What kind of fuel are you using there?

[viral vector]

Regular

[prisma thicket]

Oh nice, 10GW on basic fuel is a lot

[viral vector]

I just went to the furthest oil and made something that uses all the patches 1xNormal for the self-sufficient bootstrap power that powers stage 2 power, 1xNormalx200% for the stage 2 power which runs rest of the 2100/m extraction and the refineries, and then just so many fuel gens

There's a resource well that I'm getting 900/m out of

[prisma thicket]

40 fuel gens do take a long time to set up lol

[viral vector]

Ah, I just BPd them, managed to get 2x2 nicely in a 40m BP

[frozen cloud]

1200 oil for 10gw is crazy

[viral vector]

2100 oil

[frozen cloud]

wait 2100? how

[viral vector]

900 from a resource well, 600 from each of 2 pure nodes

There's 2 normal nodes being used for 360 oil that powers the whole setup

But I didn't count those

[frozen cloud]

isnt it 1200 oil->800 fuel->40 gens?

[viral vector]

...

[tall lantern]

likely depends on your choice of recipes

a starter setup probably isn't using the oil-efficient alts

[lavish lance]

Diluted fuel my beloved

[viral vector]

I have made an error in calculation

[frozen cloud]

:D

that only means MORE POWER 🙃

[viral vector]

I actually need a LOT more generators

You know what? I'm gonna leave it with a note for me later so that when I'm like "oh no, I need more power" I can just go make more power

somehow I divided 300/40 instead of 20

The slugs in my storage: -sweating-

[prisma thicket]

Where are Satisfactory "photos" kept?

[viral vector]

huh?

[tall lantern]

in 1.0, documents. in 1.1, appdata

[frozen cloud]

#faq message
Where are screenshots located?
%USERPROFILE%\Documents\My Games\FactoryGame\Screenshots

[viral vector]

ah

[prisma thicket]

Ahhh thanks. I was looking in the wrong folders lol

[viral vector]

Really though, I didn't need 3 stages, I know priority power is a thing now, but, nothing beats a self-sufficient and enclosed system feeding other stages for me

[lavish lance]

Good change.
Never made sense for them to be in documents

[tall lantern]

makes less sense to be in appdata imo

[lavish lance]

Nah its where the saves are

[viral vector]

It's where the app data is

[lavish lance]

Makes the most sense

[tall lantern]

appdata's more for internal stuff, hence why it's hidden by default

wouldn't expect my images to go somewhere I can't see by default 😛

[frozen cloud]

idk you might wanna share or upload save files
so it makes sense to be somwhere easy to find imo

[viral vector]

Now I just gotta get my new power across several KM of terrain

[tall lantern]

easy, power towers/poles

[prisma thicket]

Power Towers to the Rescue

[viral vector]

No kidding

They're so good

[prisma thicket]

One of my favourite additions to the game

[mortal ginkgo]

Wait, was there a time that Power Towers was not a thing? D:

[viral vector]

That and Zoop

indeed

[frozen cloud]

sadly yes

[tall lantern]

there was a time when a lot of things weren't a thing

[mortal ginkgo]

TOTAL MADNESS

I am ultra SHOCK

[tall lantern]

throwback to before fluids existed

[viral vector]

That was back when the explorer was really good though so not as big of an issue in some wayys

[frozen cloud]

remember when conveyor lifts werent a thing and you had to build belt spirals to go up?

[mortal ginkgo]

Several people typing... BACK IN MAH DAYS 😄

[viral vector]

XD

Northern accent: Back int dayy

[lavish lance]

Used to be, these days its normal for most people to go in there

[viral vector]

Back in mah dayy, we had to run everywhere, in the swamp, uphill, both ways, with stingers everywhere, and that's how we liked it

[frozen cloud]

back in my days you didnt need water to power coal generators
just connect coal, thats it (cause water didnt exist)

[mortal ginkgo]

I saw the rendering bug where a stinger became literally Colossal. Man, for the people who first saw it must be an experience indeed.

[viral vector]

Well... there's sstill stingers everywhere in the swamp

[prisma thicket]

Thank god for retaliate mode xD

[viral vector]

The big ones are bad enough

I legit didn't even try to do the swamp "properly" I just used power lines everywhere and never touched the ground

[prisma thicket]

I only have one factory in the swamp, and I went all the way around the coast with my power towers to get there xD Also have my trains running in the sky lol

[lavish lance]

I make all phase 4 parts in the swamp

[viral vector]

trains running in the sky
Same but that's everywhere for me

[lavish lance]

Rip frametime

I have one big train line transporting uranium across half the map

[viral vector]

I'd be using drones for that

[lavish lance]

I cannot be bothered to setup fuel for that

[viral vector]

Finally, I can just see my bridges #screenshots

[lavish lance]

Not happening, never gonna use drones

Even less with 1.1 making it easier to just slap big af belt highways down

Not even goong to bother with trains at that point

[frozen cloud]

ye sadly same
i wish trains were better man, they are so cool

[prisma thicket]

Trains are just bigger belts that take power lol

[viral vector]

Better how?

[frozen cloud]

we got mk5 and mk6 belts since trains came out but no mk2 train

[viral vector]

And that are cooler

[frozen cloud]

more throughput

also the stations are a bit big for me

[viral vector]

Just get more trains

[viral vector]

That's true

[tall lantern]

with mk6 belts, train carriages do feel a lil small

when we only had mk5, it wasn't so bad

[frozen cloud]

ye

[lavish lance]

Dont know, im not a game designer

What i dont like about trains that its hard to make 100% sure everything is fed at all times.

I have like 5 trains on a circular track to make sure the uranium doesnt stall.
I just dont like it.

[mortal ginkgo]

You need Storage Boxes for buffering in both stations. And also need one than one train for the same station.

Like 2 trains taking from 1 starter station and bringing it to 2 end stations.

[lavish lance]

I already got buffers

[mortal ginkgo]

TLDR: You need to compensate for the time where there is no train in either station.

[lavish lance]

Its still too mu h work. Trains are just a little too inconvenient

[mortal ginkgo]

Madness.

[lavish lance]

1.1 belt Highways go brrrrrr

[frozen cloud]

wait does autoconnect work with rails?

[tall lantern]

the buffering's more to cover the downtime when a station's being [un]loaded

[viral vector]

Yup

[frozen cloud]

hm maybe i should give them a try again

[lavish lance]

Trains look good, thats about it

[digital wasp]

Sorry, im new here, but why shouldn't I do 600 pipes/min

[frozen cloud]

because they dont do 600/min in long manifolds they do more like ~550/min in those

so its better to plan for 500/min pipes, or use 2x 300/min

[digital wasp]

Then what about two different factories doing 300 each

[frozen cloud]

what do you mean?

[prisma thicket]

I think you're misunderstanding it, he's not saying don't make 600 pipes per minute, he's saying don't rely on pipes with 600 units per minute of fluid running through them.

[frozen cloud]

dont do 600/min in long manifolds
they are fine if you split 600->300/300 or what ever
but not if you split 600->570/30 since that will cause issues with backflow

[tall lantern]

Note that you can generally make it work, but it's far easier to just sidestep the issue

[frozen cloud]

well you make it work by splitting 600 into 2x 300 pipes

[viral vector]

Cable stayed bridges are a PAIN #screenshots

[digital wasp]

I thought he meant pipes like steel pipes

[frozen cloud]

ah no, fluid pipes :D

[digital wasp]

Then it should be 600m³/min pipes, no?

[frozen cloud]

fuck theres not enough space to add m³

[digital wasp]

Oh

[frozen cloud]

ye

[viral vector]

I basically only use 300s anyway, I like the look better and pipes look nicer in bulk anyway

[digital wasp]

Yea, im using 600 pipes but i dont have a problem with them

[dense violet]

As long as you know pipe basics and do do sloppy work you can run 600 pipes fine.

Shorter manifolds however are more stable and tolerate more nonsense

[digital wasp]

Ohh frr, i have my alu production using two pure nods(not at 1200), and when everything is running fine i know something is wrong

[prisma thicket]

Woohoo just got my final mercer sphere upgrade, now all the rest of the spheres can go to depots xD

Lol my last 3 factories have all been build directly out of dimensional storage

[digital wasp]

My first ever item loading in the depot was a candy cane

Im currently trying to make 2160 uranium into ficsonium, the amount of concrete i need is unbelievable. 4 inputs for concrete aint enough tho

[swift kernel]

Where would you recommend for Mercer sphere gathering? I need a bunch for my tier 2 central storage.

Besides Planetfall Plains. Got that area tapped out

[prisma thicket]

I was running all over the place, just kept my object scanner out and set to mercer sphere. Dune desert has lots, maybe start there?

[swift kernel]

That's the Northwest, right?

[prisma thicket]

North East, North West is Rocky Desert

[swift kernel]

Ah! Okay, I don't know if I've ever made it out to the Dune Desert! One of the areas of the map I never really explored. I'd always start a new file before I expanded out there

[prisma thicket]

If you're really desperate to find them, you can also use satisfactory calculator's interactive map, it will show you all the locations as well as an altitude so you can get a better idea of where to look for them.

[south lion]

yo guys how can i remove those flowers that spit out the flying exploding bugs

idk how anything is called yet

can i do it with like a saw or smth

[digital wasp]

Bombs

[prisma thicket]

The hatchers can be killed with your Xeno-zapper or any other weapon you have, just whack at them for a while. If you crouch walk up to them, they won't even open up and spawn the little bugs

[south lion]

yeah i figured out that i can sneak past them but they are in an area that i go through alot rn so its annoying

[leaden turret]

it annoys me that you can't parachute in on them

[prisma thicket]

Lol yah, anything above crouch height and they pop the bugs.

[swift kernel]

Trying to avoid that. I appreciate the thought though

[swift kernel]

Kill them once and then run a power oi in e through there. If you have something powered near a spawn point, enemies won't respawn. Or shouldn't, anyways.

[south lion]

can those respawn too?

[tall lantern]

any enemy can

[south lion]

oh so does it needs to be powered at all times?

[swift kernel]

Except for the gas flowers that stand up

[swift kernel]

Yes. If the power goes out and you wander nearby, the enemy can respawn.

A single power pole should be sufficient.

You don't need to actually power any machinery nearby

[south lion]

i have a miner there so that should do it

[lunar folio]

pls fix the truck station

[swift kernel]

How?

They work just fine

[vast sundial]

hi, i have a question about trains, i wanna bring 2 type of items, how i can clasificate they to go to diferent ways?, pls ping me if u respond me!

[reef basin]

what's the problem with it?

[reef basin]

easiest is two different freight cars

[vast sundial]

okey, thanks!

[frozen ingot]

anywhere! Use the object scanner, you might need to unlock the option in the MAM

they're fairly evenly distributed i think

[ocean frost]

The titan forest has heaps of them west is the red jungle if you can deal witht spiders and hogs

[split badger]

i could probably color my storage boxes to help notice difference

[frozen ingot]

think the #faq needs to be updated regarding the new location for screenshots

@void gorge ^ hope you don't mind the ping

[leaden turret]

I ping him stupid shit all the time, I should hope he doesn't mind getting pung for non-stupid shit 😅

[frozen ingot]

😂

[hidden sparrow]

Does he react to them ?

[leaden turret]

occasionally #satisfactory message #satisfactory message #satisfactory message

[wary blaze]

what the fuck theres a mercer sphere scanner

how

[reef basin]

there's object scanner, which is shown to you in the tutorial afaik 🙂

[vestal mica]

it's unlocked in tier 1. tutorial only shows resource scanning

[reef basin]

well you get the tutorial when you unlock it

[vestal mica]

it's mentioned as a thing that's unlocked? there's no "tutorial" in any real sense

[wary blaze]

i saw the words object scanning once and i wa slike tf is that and never figured it out

[viral vector]

Do you know about the blade runners?

[hybrid crystal]

Is there a better way to figure out round trip time for a train than just sitting there with a stopwatch and waiting?

[reef basin]

not really

[hybrid crystal]

Is there a rule of thumb or something based on distance to get a ballpark estimate?

[vestal mica]

as someone who cheats and usually just uses an online map to go get hard drives and mercer spheres, i don't use it much, but it can eventually scan for harddrives, alien artifacts, slugs, foods and monsters

[hybrid crystal]

I can't seem to find anything on this, but I honestly would rather not do it the stopwatch way

[reef basin]

not really, as it depends on tons of parameters (and can also vary based on other traffic on the rails)

[austere valve]

Minimum time is always load + unload

[hybrid crystal]

Yeah, which gets you about one minute

[wary blaze]

yeah but how do i use it

[reef basin]

so in general I don't even recommend estimating the round trip time, as it's kinda pointless anyway

[hybrid crystal]

I'm trying to figure out if I need to use multiple freight cars

[vestal mica]

put it in your hand and hold down the left mouse button to change what you're scanning for

then just wander around until it starts beeping

[viral vector]

load/unload + distance/120km/h + 20s

something around that

[hybrid crystal]

20s for accel/decel?

[reef basin]

my rule of thumb is "one belt/pipe per car" and if that's not enough, add another train

[viral vector]

yeah, plus anything else that slows it down

[reef basin]

works in 99.9% of cases

[austere valve]

Trying to factor it in your math is kinda difficult, just treat trains as an infinite resource machine, and if you're not getting enough in the output, just add more to the input

[wary blaze]

OH MY GOD ITS THAT ITEM 😭 help i thouvht that was just another resource scanner

[viral vector]

Yeah, just build spare capacity in your station designs and you'll be good to go

[hybrid crystal]

I think this is my issue honestly

My station designs probably aren't great

[viral vector]

Trains are more vibes-based than people who care about hard numbers like

[reef basin]

you just need to buffer the platforms

[hybrid crystal]

That I've got down

[reef basin]

then you're good to go

[hybrid crystal]

And yeah, I don't vibe with vibes

[viral vector]

The real thing with trains is that you have a long-distance serial bus for bulk transport

[hidden sparrow]

I hate trains cause they're too space efficient

I want things to spread like a desease

[viral vector]

what?

[hidden sparrow]

Its always more fun to walk around and to see giant conveyers belts laying all around the world

[viral vector]

like this?

#screenshots

[hidden sparrow]

Yuh

ExACTLY

Curvy things are so good to create chaos

[viral vector]

I'm still using my first machines

Curvy things are cool, but what about a massive cable-stayed bridge?

[hidden sparrow]

Wdym ?

[viral vector]

This #screenshots

[hidden sparrow]

Its ordered and clean >:(

[viral vector]

Each of those spans are 240m iirc

[frozen ingot]

yeah, 'object scanner', with upgrades in the MAM to scan for different items. Very useful!

unlocks very early

[viral vector]

The contrast between order and chaos only serves to highlight the chaos

[viral vector]

Moss doesn't look like a disease, but only because it's not growing out of you

[hidden sparrow]

I'll make it look like a desease

If its not looking bad, add more

[viral vector]

I've watched LetsGameItOut, that'll do for pure chaos for me, I like the mix, a symphony of harmony between organic and inorganic

[wide dock]

How to disable that annoying build number on top left?

[mossy moon]

idk if you can

if you want a clean picture then the ingame photomode removes it right? or am i wrong

[viral vector]

That's correct

[wide dock]

I just don't want unnecessary high contrast garbage on my screen.

[mossy moon]

its not that distracting for me. maybe some settings scale smth too much

iirc there is a setting to scale the ui but im not sure if that changes the build number thing

[wide dock]

For some reason, it's positioned really badly, so it's always in my line of sight. Plus, this text is utterly useless, so it shouldn't be on the screen in the first place.

But this reminds me of why I gave up on Satisfactory a couple of years ago - the miserable QoL.

[wide dock]

It does, but it also scales everything else with it.

[green fiber]

It received a ton of QoL since then. Its been a few years after all.

But that experimental banner (and the build number) has still always been there, just the same - the only change it got was that it doesnt cause burn-in anymore

[split badger]

can wires travel farther if i use power towers?

[green fiber]

Yes. But make sure you connect the top wires

Bottom connection of the power tower has the same range as normal cables

[split badger]

how much range do they give?

[green fiber]

A few hundred meters

300 m apparently

[tall lantern]

cats can't talk

[spice patio]

But they do use keyboards.

[wide dock]

Like, automatic cable placement? 🙂

I'm too spoiled by Factorio.

[green fiber]

yea i can tell

if you want auto cables you would have to blueprint it

that reduces the amount of cables you need to manually place.

[stiff wolf]

how do i micro nudge. I seen Kibitz do it so how do i do it?

[green fiber]

hold ctrl

[stiff wolf]

thx

[green fiber]

that reduces nudge to half meter steps

[hybrid crystal]

I could use some train signaling help #1366803782498779186 message

[green fiber]

but anything less than that needs a mod

[stiff wolf]

is there a way to get more custom notches?

because i only have 1

[spice patio]

No.
As that is designed for one-offs, and that you use the other swatches most of the time.

[stiff wolf]

oh ok

[spice patio]

As those can be edited to whatever colors you want.
But changing the colors on one of those causes every buildable that uses that swatch to get updated to the new colors.

[golden furnace]

Spending days building a smart plate factory just for the space elevator to fill up in 3 minutes

[true mulch]

you can use them for the next elevator deliveries

or sink for points

[golden furnace]

Does phase 3 and above need them?

[true mulch]

yeah

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Space_Elevator#Total_number_of_parts_needed

[golden furnace]

I can always separate the reinforced plates and rotors too and use them for something else

[reef basin]

they give good sink points anyway

so you can just route them to sink

[frozen cloud]

thats what im currently doing 🙃
at 5/min atm, scaling other stuff for more

actually never got the nut before
maybe this times the charm

[south lion]

guys what is the statistic in machines next to the time icon

thats like the efficiency or smth?

[true mulch]

measured uptime

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Productivity_Display

[green fiber]

try to update it?

[wide dock]

Can someone recommend a good QoL cable/electricity mod? Without completely nuking the electricity feature?

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @unborn gyro

[wide dock]

But... Why this compartmentalisation?

[true mulch]

mod support is unofficial

although actively dev-supported, still unofficial

as with any game

[wide dock]

Hanlon's razor.

I need to convince myself that the devs aren't ruining the game and the community deliberately.

[torn cairn]

mod support is an extremely complicated endeavor and games have to be made to support mods from the start of development.

[wide dock]

And that's absolutely alright.
But making bad design choices, and then on the official discord banning discussion of mods to fix the said bad design choices... This is some really poor management.

I really want to like this game. It has pwetty graphics and a few cool features.

[torn cairn]

it's probably the greatest game ever created. I think you're nitpicking here

mods aren't part of the vanilla game. It's easier to just keep them separated

[wide dock]

But I'm tempted to give up on it for a few more years in the hope that it will finally get fixed.

[sage oracle]

Bad design choices are relative

[green fiber]

mods arent banned from discussion

[reef basin]

it's not "banned discussion of mods"

it's "people on modding discord probably know more than people here, so better ask there"

[torn cairn]

randomly grandstanding about mods to the point where you rob yourself of fun is a very strange decision

[green fiber]

just that most of the mod discussion and mod devs specifically hang out on another discord because they got a lot more control over there and can have a dozen more channels

[wide dock]

This game was "inspired by" Factorio to begin with. But, sure, opinions vary. I'm happy you like it.,

[green fiber]

they use it for documentation guides / links and such too

[cold fable]

there's a bean, stuck in the water where im building, how do i get it to go away

[torn cairn]

you can kill them after enough hits

[reef basin]

and factorio was inspired by modded minecraft, which was inspired by ... (etc.) 🤷

[leaden ether]

WHack it once wwith a zapper and it should run away, though I've once had one be VERY stubborn and had to dispose of it 😦

[reef basin]

what is the thing you want to get fixed? 🤔

[green fiber]

as far as i know, the only mod that does simplify cabling to any degree without removing it entirely (aka magic cables that connect all things on an invisible grid) is daisychain

thats about the only mod for simplifying cabling to my knowledge without outright removing it

[reef basin]

wasn't there some mod that autoconnected machines to nearby power poles / belts / pipes?

[cold fable]

its stuck, so it can't move

[green fiber]

im not sure anymore tbh

[reef basin]

I know I've seen something like that like 4 years back 😄

but idk if it's still around

[green fiber]

the modding portal is the best site to use to search for mods anyway

[leaden ether]

Yeah that's what happened that one time to me. About 6-8 whacks with the xeno basher fixes it :/

[cold fable]

huh, i've seen videos of people covering beans in explosives and the bean was fine, so i kinda just assumed they were invincible

[leaden ether]

Maybe they resist explosions due to being so rubbery 🙂

[green fiber]

hmm no. it seems there is no more mod for autoconnecting cables or the like. If there ever was

[reef basin]

name "smart" comes to mind in that context, but not sure if I'm misremembering

[wide dock]

That's an interesting theory. I don't think it's plausible though. The timelines just don't match for this theory to be true.
Without too much mental gymnastics, Satisfactory is essentially an attempt to create a 3D version of Factorio with nicer graphics. While Factorio was a true market leader.
Of course that still doesn't mean that one game is better than the other. However there are many things that a good dev team could learn from the experience of what they are trying to copy.

[reef basin]

it was literally said by at least one factorio devs 🤷

[green fiber]

that statement can even be found on wikipedia

[frozen cloud]

the dev of factorio literally applied to mojang, was denied and started factorio instead

[green fiber]

and that comment apparently stems from a reddit comment

[reef basin]

and from my experience, having played tons of factorio and being here for several years, Factorio and SF have practically only "factory game" in common

both games play very differently in practice

[wide dock]

Maybe you can DM the link if you cannot post it here. I tried quick search it but no references to it.

[reef basin]

(yes, there are principes that apply to both games)

[frozen cloud]

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Hello,

I felt the urge to try something different in my life one year ago. I had this great idea to apply for a job at Mojang as working on Minecraft might be very inspiring. I didn't get any reply, and later on, I decided to try to make something on my own. It was just simple hobby project in the start, but I became addicted to it so much that in few months I found myself working on it full time.
Now, not even year later, me and my friend are starting the indiegogo campaign that will decide the fate of this crazy idea.

[green fiber]

Hello, I'm the Factorio founder, and this is the answer to all of the people comparing Factorio with modded Minecraft. I would like to make clear, that I never ever tried to hide the fact, that Modded minecraft, mainly buildcraft/industrialcraft, was huge inspiration to create Factorio. In fact, before even the idea to create my own game came to my mind, I started to make my own (private) changes to these minecraft mods.

[reef basin]

see above

[green fiber]

lets hope this works:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nerdcubed/comments/2c9rh7/comment/cjdtffh/

[reef basin]

||blue people don't have whitelist||

[green fiber]

well would you look at that, i nearly (well... i DID) forgot that fact

[frozen cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1qOCAM9Syw&t=1s
holy shit gaming has come a long way

[wide dock]

Just because he applied to mojang doesn't mean the game is an attempt to copy another company's game. I suppose it was better for everyone that he was rejected.

job at Mojang ... inspiring

I decided to try to make something on my own

What you quoted actually contradicts what you're trying to prove.

[reef basin]

I would like to make clear, that I never ever tried to hide the fact, that Modded minecraft, mainly buildcraft/industrialcraft, was huge inspiration to create Factorio.

in McGalleon's post

[green fiber]

could not be any clearer tbh

[reef basin]

I like how you have to do like 5 jumps through "updated trailer here: XX" in comments to get to the latest one 😄

[green fiber]

Satisfactory, for as often as it gets compared to factorio, actually has more incommon with (modded) minecraft

the way that everything is built at least

one piece at a time

[reef basin]

afaik even devs said they want the experience to be like that

[sage oracle]

Lmao, im the first one to talk about factorio and how much i played and love the game but like, where are you going with all of this lol

[green fiber]

i remember that bit about their game design philosphy for satisfactory. They are of the opinion that putting in effort into constructing something grand one piece at a time feels more accomplishing

[wide dock]

Interesting, I thought the development of Factorio started like a year after first versions of Minecraft. And I wouldn't have expected mods to exist by then.

[reef basin]

first alpha of minecraft was 2009

[sage oracle]

Hum, minecraft came out in 2009, and first versions of factorio in 2016

[reef basin]

factorio went to early access in 2016

[green fiber]

even I remember playing MC as a kid

[wide dock]

Of course that still doesn't mean that one game is better than the other. However there are many things that a good dev team could learn from the experience of what they are trying to copy.

Quoting myself. You obviously don't read.

[wide dock]

Factorio 0.1 around 2011 I though

[green fiber]

still 2 - 3 years time though.
precise time varies of course

[reef basin]

announced 2013 on indiegogo, no info before

[wide dock]

But, automation mods for Minecraft so fast?...

[green fiber]

aaaannd it seems the first ever buildcraft came out 2011....
so that kinda matches up

[frozen cloud]

well satisfactory currently has more players than factorio
so its better than what they are "trying to copy" xd

[green fiber]

indeed minecraft modding was fast it seems

[reef basin]

which is two years before first factorio announcement

[sage oracle]

I def did. I just don't understand the purpose of bringing all those comparisons and trying to debate which game inspired which one(which you have been proven wrong btw) other than to stir shit up for no reason

[green fiber]

its possible factorio ( concept wise ) had been around since like... 2011 ish.
but the official development timeframe for it is cited kinda from 2012 ish onward

so it does line up

[reef basin]

well, I don't think they are trying to "copy" anything, they are definitely inspired by multiple games (Factorio, Modded MC, Subnauctica, ...)

and sorry to be "that guy", but what was your initial point of this discussion? modding? or something else? I know you mentioned waiting for devs to "fix it", but could you point me to the message that explains it, or tell me what you're talking about

(this is not me trying to sound rude or anything, legit question)

[wide dock]

I don't understand why you're shifring the subject and what you'r trying to prove. I'm not talking about which game has more steam online. (Factorio is DRM free btw, so works without Steam).
I'm talking about learning from the mistakes (and successes) of those who came before.

[sage oracle]

Learning what? Can you point out to specific things you want them to fix?

[wide dock]

QoL. Literally terrible QoL, and apparently poor management.

[green fiber]

Taking things 1:1 from one game to another is both boring and kinda plagiarism. And it also doesnt always work when the game type itself gets changed. 2D to 3D is a big shift

[frozen cloud]

thats like your opinion man

[green fiber]

2D things dont always work out in 3D

[sage oracle]

Which QoL things? Specificaly?

[reef basin]

any concrete examples? (again, serious question and interest)

not sure what "poor management" stands for

[green fiber]

Many things for the building system would probably be different if Satisfactory was more voxely instead of the 50% freeform 50% grid based
would probably fix a lot of things but also change a lot of things. Maybe for the better, maybe for worse

[wide dock]

You disagree with my opinion? Oh no. Cry me a river.

[green fiber]

Also, you said you stopped playing a few years back.
How far back exactly?
4 years? 3 years?
Satisfactory in 2019 to 2020 was like.... a different game almost

so its hard to pinpoint what you mean without a frame of reference

[wide dock]

I can't answer a million people at the same time. But if you want to talk in good faith, sure, I'm happy to give you some examples.
Blueprints without unnecessary limitations. I think the game would benefit greatly from a top-down or zoomed out view while building. Automating some annoying aspects like cables.

[green fiber]

Blueprints were, as far as we know, 50% design and 50% actual programming limitation

a boundless BP system doesnt work without a birds eye view. That much is certain

But the game also cant handle those giants well.

[frozen cloud]

mark was very adamant about it even when it came to zoop
because it deletes the purpose of the game in his opinion

[green fiber]

Yeah that circles back to the "one piece at a time" philosophy

[reef basin]

(yeah np about the answering)

I can definitely see your points and you're not alone who thinks that. However, based on what we heard from devs, this is just not the game they want to make. Blueprints are intentionally limited to be a puzzle to work with - they didn't want to end up in similar way to Factorio, where you just paste your entire base (not saying whether I like the decision or not, just giving you their reasoning).

[green fiber]

BPs right now are kinda the same idea, but inflated to a bigger size of course.
Instead of tiny blocks one at a time, its bigger blocks one at a time

[wide dock]

Yes, I guess you're right. Minecraft is super repetitive.

[sage oracle]

Interesting, since you compare to factorio a lot I would've expected you to talk about the electric pole placements, underground pipes and belt and trains which are obvious things that factorio does better. You talk about the zoom? Like the one thing that really make this game different from factorio? Lmaoo

[frozen cloud]

wait undergrounds? in 3d?

[reef basin]

I feel that what you want "another Factorio" where things scale to insane numbers, but that also loses the "I have built everything by hand" charm, that devs were going for

[green fiber]

Speaking of... do you enjoy minecraft even?

I find that if people like MC, they will also be more likely to enjoy Satisfactory
And if not, usually they wont enjoy Satisfactory either of course

[frozen cloud]

undergrounds are bad even in factorio
dyson sphere program made that waaay better and is practically 2d

[reef basin]

wdym bad in factorio?

[wide dock]

No, I personally don't find Minecraft any enjoyable.

[reef basin]

then it may be that SF just isn't the game for you 🤷

[green fiber]

Well i think that kinda settles it then.
the core experience of minecrafts build system is also the one of Satisfactory

[frozen cloud]

because its unintuitive
why are there 2 different forms of belts
just having the option to go down or up a level is way more intuitive

[reef basin]

because it doesn't work like "going up or down a level" 🙂

[wide dock]

"lmaoo" is not an argument, but an admission of its absence. Just saying.

[green fiber]

Factorio is more tailored to a streamlined design / "drawing" experience when it comes to actually building the things you wanna build
the building part is, at least later on, very much taken out of your hands expect for some finer things

[frozen cloud]

(modded) minecraft has waaaay more handcrafting imo

[reef basin]

AE2

[sage oracle]

Has is ignoring the argument and just taking a word out of the whole post 🙂

[green fiber]

minecraft is built on the idea of handcrafting
so this does not surprise me

[sage oracle]

You are def running out of steam here

[wide dock]

Yep, I think you're right. As I said before, I really want to like this game. It has a good idea and neat graphics. But...

[green fiber]

But its not your kinda game

Dont try to force yourself

Its not the game you would like it to be.

[reef basin]

not every game is for everyone. That's completely fair. Don't force yourself to play things that aren't enjoyable 😉 looks at League of Legends

[green fiber]

I like MC a lot but on the flipside factorio really doesnt have that much of a pull on me.
No wonder i like this game then, eh?

[kindred osprey]

can you earn acheivments in the experimental for 1.1?

[frozen cloud]

idk i feel like that modded minecraft and satisfactory are very different, from the crafting alone
like minecraft is as close to satisfactory as satisfactory is to factorio in my opinion

[wide dock]

No, that's you who ignored everything I said. I provided examples of things which Satisfactory could do better. You ignored these and went hyperdefensive about unreated things. Chill. Enjoy Satisfactory if you like that game.

[green fiber]

i know, but the base experience / feeling of how it is to build and explore and everything
thats very MC

Satis tries to distill the mincraft build-and-explore experience into a different game type with a more handcrafted approach to the world and to how you engage with it.
Thats how i see it

[reef basin]

the thing is that the things that seem "better" for you are the things that other people may not like, because they are after the "minecraft experience", rather than the "factorio experience". So I guess some people get a bit defensive, if you want to remove their favorite mechanisms from the game because you think that it would be "better" (not taking any side here, just for clarity)

[wide dock]

I saw a video of some Asian guy comparing Factorio to software engineering. I found his examples odd. But there's some truth in it. I'm a software architect and I love Factorio lol

[green fiber]

I find that comparison very fair.
if factorio is like software engineering, satisfactory is like..... breadboarding

[frozen cloud]

lol wat

[green fiber]

its not the same at all. only tangentially related / linked

you got an empty canvas and you can put your little resistors and capacitors and other funny junk on the breadboard

and if you want you can use multiple breadboards and stick em together

[frozen cloud]

idk man
i build a main bus in both
i do manifolds in both
i use output priority balancers in both
maybe youre just playing differently in them

[sage oracle]

Not defensive at all, actually like this back n forth. I answered your zoom argument, has other people did. You also said that you coulden't answer multiple people at the same time, so I let the others answers the cables and the blueprints. Nobody is ignoring your points, but you are clearly ignoring whenever you are wrong about something and try to deflect, which is unfortunate, cause Im pretty sure I could agree with you on some valid arguments here.

I do enjoy satisfactory, not has much has factorio, but im not trying to transform that game into factorio etheir. Hopefully you can find some valid points to bring up, answer the counter ones that have been said, and if not, find another game that you like 🙂

[wide dock]

Hmmm you're not on the Arduino discord. I swear I just saw someone on this server who's also on Arduino.

[green fiber]

well the fun thing is i do own an arduino

but yes, im not on the arduino discord

[frozen cloud]

youre not on the logisim discord
are you really a software engineer

[reef basin]

forcing weird playstyle upon SF doesn't count

seriously though - both games can work with both approaches, it's just a matter of meta and stuff like that 🤷

[frozen cloud]

idk my playstyle works in both
and in dyson sphere program
and in FTB minecraft
🤷

[reef basin]

both games can work with both approaches

[torn cairn]

any game where you improve upon designs = SE simulator apparently

not saying I disagree

[green fiber]

software is just teaching your computer to think differently
what is a computer but a fancy breadboard

[frozen cloud]

aaaaah engineers go away
what is a computer but a fancy set of logic gates

[naive pendant]

Was there ever explanation for keeping modding discussion on a seperate discord? I assumed it's to avoid confusion within discussion.

[green fiber]

Exactly. And what are logic gates but basic building blocks you stick together.

[frozen cloud]

how is this not the case for factorio?

[green fiber]

i mean specifically how you build stuff. the tools you have.
the workflow - the perspective

[naive pendant]

Factorio and Satisfactory are broadly very similar. Just different emphasis on certain aspects of gameplay.

[frozen cloud]

idk i feel like the flow is exactly the same
how do you think its different?

[wide dock]

So imagine taking a comparator, a voltage reference, and a bunch of passives, and soldering them together to make your own makeshift brownout detector. Minecraft approach.
Or alternatively you could use an existing IC that does exactly that. That's like a blueprint.
And use any of the above for your larger project. Both are valid.

[green fiber]

Factorio is "draw it to build it"
Thats just how the game is (im oversimplifying but im allowed to). You draw on your screen - it builds stuff. Sometimes you may need to do something like walk around but otherwise it kinda feels like playing in a 2D art program.

MC and Satisfactory are "click click click click - go somewhere else / climb up - click click click".
this manual labor and going around to view it and such feels closer to 3D modeling software tbh.

Maybe this is me ADHDing the heck out but thats the feel i get from them.
Thats the fundamental building experience these games have imo

[wide dock]

(I guess it's a more fair comparison. In software you can copy existing modules between projects or use external libraries. In electronics you solder each component individually for each instance/copy/segment.)

[green fiber]

Yes! Thats what i wanted to convey / express. This digital vs analog way of building stuff

[frozen cloud]

interesting i never got that feeling
maybe because im always playing on a big platform in the sky using my hoverpack xD

im literally reusing my assembler/foundry/smelter blueprints? is that not software design?

[green fiber]

no because its still just playing legos, but you made your blocks into modules.
Yes you also have a magic machine that - once you scan a module -gives you infinite copies of them. But the way you stick em together is still "click click - go around -see if its right - click click"

your blocks have grown in size, but the way you use them didnt change

[frozen cloud]

idk they connect to the main bus
all of them
exactly the same
xD

[green fiber]

you can design the same things in 3D and in 2D if you want.

how you build them is the difference

The outcome is the same - the path to it isnt

[frozen cloud]

but is stamping down a blueprint in satisfactory and connecting it via mergers to the main bus any different than
copy pasting a previous build in factorio and using splitters to connect it to the main bus?
i mean sure in satisfactory i might build it horizontally but that doesnt change that its just slapping down blueprints

[wide dock]

The "click click click" is probably for keeping you occupied while you have a podcast or an audiobook in the background.

[green fiber]

you are starting to repeat yourself and so am I.
I have stated my point. I do not wanna further try to get it across.

[frozen cloud]

also i find the factorio click click click waaaay more satisfying
the way belts drag?
i hate having to click instead of dragging

[frozen cloud]

fair

[reef basin]

I'm the kind of person that can be occupied by that directly without podcast, if the game is fun (to me)

f.e. I enjoy stardew valley, which in part is literally clicking on plants every day until they grow up, and repeat

[wide dock]

stardew valley

Ever tried Harvest Moon / Rune Factory?

[reef basin]

neither

[green fiber]

Hmmm.... on that note... Terraria is closer to / analogue to Factorio than MC (in terms of building experience)
Not just because 2D vs 3D, but also the build system.
Its drag to build again

... minus the fact that Terraria has like no blueprint

... same for MC i guess

[frozen cloud]

but its way more focused on exploring and fighting

[wide dock]

If you like Stardew and anime style, maybe try Rune Factory 3 or 4. These are atmospheric and optional in-depth mechanics.

[reef basin]

I'm currently busy with modded MC and Factorio 😄

[wide dock]

Fair enough.

[frozen cloud]

yall need to play dyson shpere program xd

[green fiber]

i just play funny squid kid game

Where i kill others with a bath tub. of doom

[reef basin]

it's in there 😛 https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/id/greenyaptec/

[wide dock]

Lots of sandboxes. I approve.

[frozen cloud]

wait techtonica got 1.0? i tried it some time ago

[wide dock]

Whyyy???
I don't find Terraria as meticulous as Minecraft though.

[green fiber]

Which kinda is the point? It feels closer to Factorio with how ... fluent? the building is. no?

[wide dock]

Is it possible because you don't usually build the same thing twice in Terraria?

And yes, building is much faster.

[green fiber]

do you build the same thing twice in MC?
Modded - maybe. But base game?

I dont mean that it is similar gameplay

[reef basin]

yes - my minecart station 😛

[green fiber]

just similar building experiences / styles.
Minus the part that can only be found in factory games of course

[wide dock]

Wall by wall, layer by layer.
That's just my quick impression because I don't really play Minecraft.

[green fiber]

Well in that case -my point stands.
Terraria is more closer to Factorio
While Satisfactory is closer to Minecraft.

That wall by wall, layer by layer style? Is the MC / Satisfactory way imo. (at least if you DONT just build a giant sky platform and connect everything to "The Bus")

[wide dock]

It's sometimes difficult to put experiences into words. Worse even - convey them properly.

[green fiber]

You do sort of get where im coming from with this though, right?

[wide dock]

I fully agree with your experience. However I find the argumentation lacking, not just yours, but mine too. But I'm struggling to grasp something more tangible.

[green fiber]

Its a feeling and im drawing loose parallels between each game.
the 2D / 3D style fundamentally changes engagement with the mechanics.
Dyson sphere, while being 3D, has more of that "drag to draw / build" style to it

[wide dock]

I have experience in gamedev. And it's crazy how many rules I had to find and follow to create something that just feels "responsive" and "just right" on the surface.

So, yes, things are sometimes very difficult to explain and grasp.

[green fiber]

If i had to really simplify:
Terraria / Factorio / DSP: Drag-to-build game (i may be wrong on DSP tho lmao)
MC / SF: Click-to-build game

[wet shoal]

#1366838850596507659 message

How do I correctly set up such a junction?

[wide dock]

Ok my turn:
Factorio/Terraria: Contemplative Meditation
Minecraft/Satisfactory: Busywork Meditation

Converging...

On click-click-click lol

[wet shoal]

You can drag even blueprints in DSP

So yeah, everything is draggable.

[leaden ether]

I have installed just one mod, to be able to nudge vertically. But at some point I have to hope that Satisfactory will allow that as well as being able to re-edit the position of one or more already placed items with connections.

[reef basin]

vertical nudging is in 1.1 afaik

[leaden ether]

That's great since as of this moment if I were to update I'd lose that one mod which I use all the time 😄

[cyan garnet]

Confirmed that vertical nudging and infinite nudging are in 1.1

The keybinds are different than the infinite nudge mod, however

[wide dock]

Aaand, that's another drop into what I see as QoL issues.

I think I would enjoy this game much much more if it weren't for all those little things.

[leaden ether]

The game just came out and likely has years of improvements (major one coming son). It's pretty amazingly complete and relatively bug free for a 1.0 frankly.

[spark ruin]

aaanndd that "issue" isnt an issue anymore [see : 1.1]

[wide dock]

The issue that existed for over five years will be fixed in the future.
😉

[reef basin]

nudging is relatively new

so I doubt it "existed for over five years"

[spark ruin]

its only been there since U8 experimental

[wide dock]

Positioning things in general. But sure. You know I'm joking.

[spark ruin]

so a little less then 2 years

[toxic zenith]

This SAM node is really challenging my philosophy of "No clipping allowed for any permanent factory fixture... including power lines."

[distant pilot]

Which one?

[spark ruin]

"including power lines" ?!
legitimate question
are you masochist ?

[toxic zenith]

Dunes desert cave.

Super low clearance so can't even run power normally. Instead I'm nudging foundations into the cavern walls so I can put wall power outlets.

[distant pilot]

I don’t think I’ve encountered that SAM node before so I don’t have much visual reference

[spark ruin]

i thought you said "rocky desert"

[toxic zenith]

Oh, that's easy.

[spark ruin]

[toxic zenith]

Let's just say it's a long winding cave that barely fits a conveyor belt.

[sharp yoke]

Lets be honest here. You've just described about 40% of the caves in the map.

[toxic zenith]

Yeah, but only one of those is dunes desert with an (impure) SAM node in it

[wet shoal]

Under the arch?

Ahh sry, didn't read above.

[zenith pecan]

I tend to pierce the cave entrances from below with shafts and have straight tunnels moving stuff.

[toxic zenith]

I mean the entrance is under one of those archy-spiny things at the northern extreme of the dunes right as they're transitioning to something more green.

[willow night]

That one is especially tiny yeah

Don't have a big meal before you go in

[golden furnace]

What do yall do to get raw/smelted ores to your factories? Right now I have a couple of modular factories set near the nodes they're using, but sometimes I need an extra far-away node and end up spaghetti-ing the conveyors all the way to the factory. How can I make this neater? I cant imagine what has to be done to get them to something like a megafactory neatly

[shrewd palm]

straight build mode or trains

drones if the amount of items you need is smaller

trucks are also good if you just need to move things around inside one biome

[reef basin]

build factories near ores 🙂

if not possible, ship ore to the factory

and never do a megafactory 😛

[leaden ether]

I've got more than a couple 1km long belts from stubborn ore positions -.-

[willow night]

If you want to use belts, make a nice blueprint of a belt corridor with straight section and a corner and use that at least.

But I often use a collector truck making the rounds to several nodes

[placid stirrup]

If a small processing plant near a node will 'condense' the shipment quantity, I'll do that, otherwise I train the ores to the processing facility

[frozen cloud]

belts for days

[left totem]

those are funnier though

also I'd rather ship raw ores, this way I can deviate some from the line to other factories instead of creating a big line each time

[dawn idol]

I'm doimg top left start, without spoiling roughly where is it

For sam ore

[prisma thicket]

Underground to the north

Hmmmm trying to setup a supercomputer factory, what are some good efficient alt recipes to use? Thinking pure copper and caterium for sure, any suggestions for others?

[frozen cloud]

super state
classic battery

[reef basin]

depends what you call "efficient"

[prisma thicket]

Classic battery? Do you need batteries for super computers?

[frozen cloud]

super state computer does

[prisma thicket]

Basically cutting down on base resource usage so I can maybe scale it up a bit and make more than one manufacturer worth of super computers per minute. 1.875 per minute doesn't seem great.

[pallid hatch]

i heard somewhere there was a keybind to reverse the direction of a conveyor belt on a pole, where there aren't other conveyors nearby to snap to that would dictate its direction.

But i cant find that keybind in settings, on the build gun UI, or when just trying out a bunch of keys. Is it not a thing?

[leaden ether]

I don't think there is since the moment you connect it to something it'll switch to the right direction. Though vertical lifts don't do this and I am not sure why...

[reef basin]

well it also depends on which resources you want to save and so on 🙂 there's no "always good" recipe 🙂

[prisma thicket]

This is what satisfactory tools gave me with the suggested recipes: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=bCjCOFuwxtr1EHeTV0RT

[ashen belfry]

There are 2 recipes that are kinda questionable, but are okay-ish in edg cases.

Bio coal

Charcoal

[shadow garden]

Trucks. Trucks for days. Lay down miles of foundation and drive all over that thing. If it's far enough, build a fuel depot to extend the range of your vehicles

[frozen cloud]

this is the recipes im using
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=pnQDmg9JslN1RNDK3P45

[prisma thicket]

That visualization is chaos lol little bit of everything in that one

[frozen cloud]

well i usually do 1 megabases where this is part of, i dont do separate independant factories
so maybe this isnt for you

[prisma thicket]

Ahhhh, yah, I tend to find a new location close to resources for each part I want to make (I'm aware I will run out of some stuff eventually) but I appreciate you sharing your layout

[gray aspen]

no srry

[reef basin]

against #rules

[dawn idol]

cringe

[zenith pecan]

Ok that is worse than begging, we don't discuss that here. edit: message redundant due to deletion.

[dawn idol]

not as worse as begging imo but yeah fair

[reef basin]

I'd recommend deleting this

and get money to buy the game

[zenith pecan]

Yep, deleted, my response is struck through as a result 🤣

[tawny urchin]

Hey guys what’s the best way to power up a huge turbo fuel power plant I made? I’m only producing about 3000 megawatts rn and I’m using most of it

[zenith pecan]

Online structures one at a time to prime thingd, you'll be running around like a bumble bee though, and shut down the rest of factory operations until your mains is fully running.

[latent prawn]

bootstrap it with coal or geotherm?

[tawny urchin]

I don’t want to make a whole coal plant just to power it

[latent prawn]

also, if you build enough power storage, you can usually just chase the tiger on the power demand

[zenith pecan]

I did that when I powered my rocket fuel towers.

[tawny urchin]

How many power storages do you think I would need to power a plant that ends up with 200 rocket fuel generators

[zenith pecan]

Though the support tower has 7776 poer stores.

[latent prawn]

well, each refinery takes 30mw. a power storage stores 100 mw-hours of power. so one storage can power ~3 refineries for an hour

(dimensional analysis napkin math at its finest!)

[tawny urchin]

Maybe I’ll place like 100 of em or something

Hopefully that will power everything long enough to get to the fuel generators

[zenith pecan]

Wait for them to charge before you try to start the generators and their refineries.

[tawny urchin]

Yep

[sacred plinth]

someone wanna play satisfactory?

me bord

[leaden ether]

Today's project to stave off nuclear for a while... #screenshots 16 GW (including the alien power boosters)

[zenith pecan]

You can go completely crazy on rocket fuel and not even need nuclear at all if that is what your goal is.

[leaden ether]

I think I want to do it because it looks interesting but I still have to get through the end of phase 4 and some/all of 5 first I think, Nuclear seems like it's it's own "phase" -.-

[zenith pecan]

My last nuclear power station was during early access, built back in update 4, survived through update 8, the setup was considerable but mine was built around radiation control, you could walk the place and never see the radiation bar.

[distant pilot]

I've only made it to nuclear twice, once in my 1.0 save and already have in my 1.1 save

[mortal ginkgo]

Nuclear scares me the most. A fuel power that got byproduct is a nightmare.

[zenith pecan]

My rocket fuel facility in the blue crater does have a little bit of power.

[distant pilot]

I feel like you should be able to sink nuclear waste but then have it subtract coupon points to balance out, though idk how much would be a fair balance

[zenith pecan]

I reprocessed the waste into PU rods which were then sunk in this place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvH2myCJoXo

[distant pilot]

itd definitely be a lot, like 10k points per waste item

oh yea sinking plutonium rods is obviously an option, but then it mentally pushes nuclear power back even further if you dont want waste building up

[zenith pecan]

I kind of had to, my reactors were chucking 1050 waste per minute, my current save I haven't started on nuclear yet but I do have 1.1Tw to play with so I'm not in a rush.

[tawny urchin]

Anyone have a nice design for a railway beam support? I kind want to make a sort of “wavy” track so I don’t have to worry about huge elevation gains and I need a nice looking support to connect my tracks with

[mortal ginkgo]

You can sink them by doing extra preparation. Its a power system with an extra step in it but boy it still scares me.

[distant pilot]

I dont overclock my drills, at first it was just a matter of principle and my patience in building 2.5x as many of most other machines but with 1.0 I had the realization that synthetic power shards allow everything to be overclocked in theory, which in turn only changes the amount of belts and pipes needed for everything compared to no overclocking, so I just deal with the 2.5x less points

[distant pilot]

hence my comment about mentally pushing it back

[tawny urchin]

Also will it look stupid/will I regret it later if my train track kind of weaves through things instead of being a straight line?

[reef basin]

it's very much fine

and storage is easy to build

[distant pilot]

its like either way you're forced to dedicate mental energy to it in a way the rest of the game doesnt force you to, either by worrying about waste buildup or having to move even more different items around and make sure none of it is flawed

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah its a big step.

I think it is a needed late-game play style since previous fuel stuff are relatively safe.

[zenith pecan]

Build the waste storage far underground in a corner somewhere.

[distant pilot]

and that's why I compare it to the rest of your production chains in the game, where if they arent working as fast as intended it wont cause everything to come crashing down

[zenith pecan]

You can actually go quite far below the ground before you hit the magic is-dead line.

[mortal ginkgo]

I know that is a "solution" but I want to take the risk of yoloing it and not at the same time 😄

[zenith pecan]

Tunnels are relatively easy once you got a foothold too 😄

[distant pilot]

I guess im letting the very risk-averse side of me take the wheel more than it should

[zenith pecan]

Build a rocket fuel plant like this one #screenshots message , it might have enough power.

[tawny urchin]

How do I make foundations diagonal

[zenith pecan]

Ramp foundations.

Awesome shop.

[tawny urchin]

Which ones

[shrewd palm]

all of them

all ramp foundations should be diagonal

[left totem]

they're actually free

[tawny urchin]

You mean the corner ones?

[zenith pecan]

Oops, I normally use the double one on thick platforms initially.

[tawny urchin]

Any way to do it with frame foundations? Making a railroad with them

[zenith pecan]

Frame ramps, the are awesome shop.

Standard & inverted, the fraames don't get a double.

[tawny urchin]

Yeah but those ones can’t be used to go diagonal

[zenith pecan]

As a slope, are you sure? because I use both together to create skeletal diagonal structures.

[tawny urchin]

I don’t think it can unless I’m missing something

[zenith pecan]

Looks sloped to me #screenshots message

Sorry about the jank, I threw the clip together in a few seconds.

[tawny urchin]

I meant the other diagonal lol

Like to the left or right

[zenith pecan]

🤦‍♂️ , I wish you had been more clear, you do need to be creative forcably angling stuff to not look like a clashing catastrophe of carnage.

[unkempt blade]

more power!

[tawny urchin]

Why don’t they make I diagonal foundation lol

[shrewd palm]

you can lock foundations in place and then move them around with arrow keys/scroll wheel if thats what you mean

[zenith pecan]

For crazy angled and/or circles, @dense violet is the best person to ask, I've seen absolute masterpieces that I could never match.

[shrewd palm]

and then you get them into any orientation you want

[unkempt blade]

not ficsit approved, only right angles for horizontal planes

[tawny urchin]

Yeah but it doesn’t look clean

[tawny urchin]

Ridiculous

[shrewd palm]

you can use ctrl to do fine placement

[unkempt blade]

Take it up with Ada! I'm clearly not the super intelligence here

[shrewd palm]

it'll never be perfect but you can get it close enough that you wont notice unless you're shoving your nose in it

[mortal ginkgo]

There are ways to make it look clean. However I think maybe, just MAYBE it would mess up with world grid / building placement / it's not exactly factory efficient that they dont exist?

[hollow vector]

i reached too fast too factory just sprint jumping in water

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't think devs missed that (there are many angled walls, just not foundations)

[hollow vector]

who needs factory carts when you can 87 mph+

onfoot

[prisma thicket]

Are batteries used for anything aside from powering drones? I know there's the Super State Computer alt recipe, but I'm wondering if I should just skip making them if I'm not using drones.

[reef basin]

powering vehicles 🙂

[prisma thicket]

Ok, so I'll skip them then, thanks xD also, a question about the tools site: is there any chance you'll add the ability to read save files so it can know which recipes/what tech we have available?

[reef basin]

not in current tools, maybe in new tools

[prisma thicket]

I noticed the difference between tools and calculator with alt recipes, tools tends to skip out on less efficient alts to streamline production somewhat, it's a nice feature. Just sometimes I don't remember what alt recipes I have so I can't be sure if I'm using the "best" ones xD

[reef basin]

tools optimise for raw resource consumption, yeha

scim just force-uses alts you've picked

[prisma thicket]

I now only use SCIM for the map 😅

[vivid jackal]

scim is amazing

[reef basin]

for the map yeah

[prisma thicket]

Hmmm I have 50 generators running on turbofuel, on a manifold with 5 splits (ten gens per arm) but I want to shut some of them down to package some of that turbofuel... which ones are best to shut down? Last ones along the line or the ones closer to the start?

[unkempt blade]

do you want to prioritize power or packaged turbofuel?

[prisma thicket]

power for now, just want the turbo fuel for MAM research and the jetpack, so thinking like 15-45 of the 375 fuel i'm producing will be plenty.

Going to make a rocket fuel plant in the blue crater 😄

[unkempt blade]

probably somewhere near the end, you could also raise a section of pipe into a bump so it would prioritize whatever is between the bump and the source of the fuel

[lament niche]

found the questionable eurasian resident

[unkempt blade]

if you've got some power storage and more power than you need on average you could probably put it anywhere, towards the front of the manifold would be higher priority to fill packages

[prisma thicket]

? I'm Canadian

[lament niche]

don't let your employees be careless with smokes

would be a shame if some alpha spitters attacked your plant

[prisma thicket]

Might be, if they were actually aggressive in my world 😛

[lament niche]

make sure there aren't any crabs nearby either

[weak pendant]

Can I keep my save of EXP for when the full release comes?

[neon kraken]

question how do i do the math to do clean nuke power with making the most rods i can

[shrewd palm]

yes

[shrewd palm]

satisfactory modeler on steam, satisfactory tools (i think thats what its called on the web)

just start with the amount of uranium you want to work with, play around with recipes to find most efficient, and then start building once you have everything planned out

[reef basin]

decide on recipes, do math for one rod, scale until capped by resources

[rancid plover]

where are the photos saved?

[reef basin]

#faq

[rancid plover]

yeah my lazy ass should have looked in the faq mb

[prisma thicket]

Wow... using the maximum Nitrogen Gas in the blue crater for rocket fuel is enough to power 899 generators, producing 225 GW of power per minute... don't think I'll be going quite that crazy, but it's cool to see what the top end would be lol

I can't imagine how much more you could get going up to Ionized fuel with that.

[shrewd palm]

i think someone made a 1.1TW rocket fuel plant

[frozen cloud]

im doing 180gw there 🙃

[shrewd palm]

the clip is somewhere in #screenshots

[shrewd palm]

*im pretty sure

#screenshots message here i think

[prisma thicket]

That's nuts lol probably requires some tech I don't have access to yet xD I think I'll start small, maybe 100 generators worth of rocket fuel, should cover me for a while, and plenty of room to expand it.

[cold fable]

decided to get the rifle, i thought it was pretty irrelevent since the rebar gun + xeno basher works just fine and the refinement process was annoying. I couldn't have been more wrong, 600 hours in this game and never once did i actually get the rifle XD

[naive pendant]

Turns out guns are pretty OP

[prisma thicket]

Is it worthwhile to build multiple power augmenters or should I just have one and use the other sloops for production amplification?

[naive pendant]

It's generally a tradeoff of sloops for more power vs sloops to reduce resource cost. Both are good.

You can basically always just build more power. And you can basically always just tap more resource nodes. So either way is fine.

[hollow vector]

why not use nobelisks

cluster nobelisks are really op
nuke ones for clearing large areas
tracking rifle for hatchers and stingers

[cold fable]

Because I end up blowing myself up too. 🫠

Skill issue i know.

[hollow vector]

intended

[cold fable]

I do have a single nuke obelisk, I found it while hard-drive hunting. I plan on nuking the swamp with it. When I go to build something there

[neon kraken]

how do i do the math of doing 300% boost

[prisma thicket]

Take the amount produced at 100% and times by 3?

[dense violet]

eh, personally I find the duping mechanics of sloops to be pretty silly. Like a soft creative mode. But it's really up to you

it's a 'play the game less' mechanic

[leaden ether]

Anyone know why the coordinates on the satisfactory calculator website map differ so much from the coordinates on the in game map?

[dense violet]

you could ask in their discord

[prisma thicket]

My guess would be the SCIM map was made at some point when the co-ord system in game was different and just never got updated, or at least not updated properly.

Oh... is Nitro Rocket fuel alt recipe as better or worse than the base recipe? Just got it in a hard drive

[latent prawn]

it is easier to build than the base recipe, but yields less power as well

[prisma thicket]

Alright, thanks.

[latent prawn]

worth mathing it out though. either recipe makes tons of power. with the default recipe, you can build it using any of the turbofuel recipes, and all the combos have pros and cons

technically you can make nitro fuel (and turbofuel) with any of the fuel recipes, but there's really only one game in town for yellow fuel

[prisma thicket]

Well, the current setup I'm looking at is 150 generators worth, works out to a nice round 625 rocket fuel per minute, using turbo blend fuel for that step, and the Hor alt recipe to residual fuel. Less than 300 oil needed, same with Nitrogen gas.

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'm a big fan of turboblend -> default rocket

[prisma thicket]

Satisfactory tools is showing that to be the most efficient option when it comes to saving on resources, so it's definitely a good choice 😄

[hollow vector]

rocket fuel not only is better

it looks edible

[latent prawn]

well, be careful with sftools, everything it decides is based on a resource weighting. what's most efficient based on that weighting is to prefer minimizing sulfur use vs crude oil use. default turbofuel yields more power per crude than blended

[hollow vector]

huge underrated advantage frfr

[latent prawn]

i mean in the case mentioned, conserving sulfur over crude seems to be a no-brainer, but sftools will pick some wacky stuff at times based on that weighting

[hollow vector]

why however

theres lots of sulfur nearby that one oil place near grassy fields

[latent prawn]

sulfur is pretty rare as a resource. less so in 1.0+, but still rare

[hollow vector]

not that you need it that much

bombs and sulfuric acids are its only real use

[prisma thicket]

I already have Nobelisks automated, so that's that covered xD

[latent prawn]

usually where my budget for sulfur sits is that ~2500 is reserved for nuclear, and then 600 for fuel power. I like making some compacted steel later in the game, so some goes to that

that leaves quite a bit left

[hollow vector]

not enough for my nuke nobelisk megafactory.

[prisma thicket]

No, but I don't intend to use Nuke Nobelisks either lol I already throw these things out like candy, I don't need more risk of annihilating myself in the process xD

[cyan garnet]

Nitro rocket fuel is very sulfur hungry is the issue. But logistically simple to produce

[hollow vector]

as if your lizard doggos dont make you more vulnerable

[hollow vector]

for fighting enemies i just use cluster nobelisks
very op
very cheap
unlikely to obliterate my self

nuke nobelisks for clearing out large areas
and for the :3

[latent prawn]

i prefer ex-rebar for most combat and sniping the hatchers with the rifle's default ammo

[tawny urchin]

If I have 2 train stations, and the train goes back and forth to those stations on one track, can I put another station in between the two or are stations one way

Very helpful thanks

[ocean frost]

You can

You need to put a station on each end if you want it to stop there

Back and forth or be careful how you set the schedule

[tawny urchin]

Oh perfect, so when the train passes through that middle station going the wrong way, it will just pass through? But if it’s going the right way it will stop and unload?

[ocean frost]

Left-> middle -> right,
back to left

[prisma thicket]

can someone show me a good way to setup logistics for blenders?

[tawny urchin]

A bit confusing to put into words sorry

[ocean frost]

Just be careful that the station is facing the right way

[tawny urchin]

Yep already had that problem with my first train so I plan to be better for my second

[ocean frost]

You are learning which is good

[tawny urchin]

My plan is to take leftover polymer resin and maybe water from my huge turbo fuel plant in blue crater and bring it to grassy fields to make some oil products. Then the train passes all the way to the rocky desert to do who knows what, then come back to blue crater

[ocean frost]

Groups of small modules are better then one big connected one

[tawny urchin]

Maybe I’ll bring resources from desert to grassy fields

[hollow vector]

why not more mews

when cat train.

mods.

o i forgot
mods are illegal!1

modded user = subject on the exuction list

replace snutt with a cat ai as a community manager.

makes up for what we lost

why did he go in the first place

[boreal steppe]

Never alone.. lots of lerkers

[hollow vector]

only thing that can help is mews and trains

should we move to offtopic general

also i tried linux mint not that long ago

lua?
none

0 clue why i hated linux tho
its not that bad
infact im gonna get a 2tb ssd and dual boot windows and mint

everything that i need runs and or can be emulated

i dunno

my main point was just "not everything runs on it!1"

change my mind: iphone 16e isnt a ripoff

not to me

ui is nice and i really have 0 regrets using it
opinion tho!!1!!

life without mews are lifes not worth living to a limit

im probably not gonna tell you

[cyan garnet]

It will only stop at the station if it’s in the train’s timetable. Has to be in the right order for the direction the train enters the station if you do want it to stop

[tawny urchin]

Okay thanks. So if it’s the train comes at it in the wrong direction it can still pass through right?

[hollow vector]

do you know any replacment skates for the superlight logitech mouse that are ptfe and perform about the same?

mine are worn down a lil

finding cats that you enjoy is like finding a 5090 at msrp

signal rgb

[cyan garnet]

Yes

[hollow vector]

when skibidi toilets for satisfactory april fools

[prisma thicket]

If I connect pipes and delete the pipe supports, do the pipes stay connected? I know it works with belts, but no idea is pipes work the same way.

[leaden ether]

Yes

[fresh dove]

What up

[rich ivy]

so

doing the math for the amount of dark matter crystals ill need for what i wanna do

im gonna need 24 particle accelerators

this red forest is going to be gone by the time phase 5 is done

there is going to be zero foliage left

[hollow vector]

AWESOME!

i fucking hate that place

[rich ivy]

what??

yeah its kind of a shithole with all the creatures but the place is also really pretty :(

[hollow vector]

not to me

the trees are an annoyance

[spark ruin]

Yeah, It looks great with lumen on

[jaunty jewel]

how much are you making and what for

[rich ivy]

400 DMCs for superposition oscillators, singularity cells, and alien power matrixes

[jaunty jewel]

that cant be 24 pas surely

are you using the byproduct residue at least

and what recipe

[dark crater]

i thought i ran out of servers

but IU GOT BANNED IN A SERVER FOR SINGING

[jaunty jewel]

who do you think you are??? singing??? seriously??

how absolutely dare you

[dark crater]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-anime-dance-silly-gif-7439677361449276795

[prisma thicket]

If I take the total amount of production of an item I need and divide by the number of machines I need minus 1, will that give me an overclock percent for the remaining machines?

[tall lantern]

sure, though any particular reason to clock like that?

A more general approach is just totalClockNeeded = 100% * (amountNeeded / amountRecipeMakes), then you can distribute that clocking however you want

[prisma thicket]

Just wondering if that would work to cut down on the number of machines. I suppose it also works if I do the same without removing the one machine and have them all underclocked.

[tall lantern]

if that's 1 machine at 100% and the rest distributed over some other machines, then sure. or if it's all of them over/underclocked to the same speed, also works. As long as it adds up to the required %, it's all g

[prisma thicket]

Excellent, thanks. Think I'll save on the power since this is gonna take a decent chunk to get started before it starts generating any lol building a rocket fuel plant.

Another question: are valves really terrible? Like say I wanted to restrict the flow off of one branch at a junction, do they at least do that or am I hooped?

[oblique aspen]

they are terrible, and there is generally no reason to want to limit flow

if nothing consumes the fluid, then there is no room for any more to flow, so it regulates itself

[chrome cloud]

i have issues transitioning from early to midgame

[ocean frost]

where are you stuck

[chrome cloud]

i have a stack of smelters producing raw metal ingots + some basic stuff like cables, concrete etc

plus coal and basic steel production that's obv pretty far away

[viral vector]

Honestly, I find it easier to just bring most of the raw resources to my main base

[chrome cloud]

unlike in factorio setting and expanding factories is a huge chore

[viral vector]

Yeah, I also find that, BPs help a lot with that but still

[chrome cloud]

so i'm trying to figure out how to approach building a factory that will produce the basic stuff i need for further expansion and feeding the elevator

[slim pier]

Early game to mid game bringing resources to your main base is a good idea. However steering away from having everything in one place is nessasary in late game

[viral vector]

I mostly just add more production of whatever I need when I need it

[viral vector]

oh?

[chrome cloud]

well balancing the input is also a huge chore in here

[ocean frost]

There is noting wrong with belting it honestly

[viral vector]

I just produce more of the input stuff at that point

[ocean frost]

or loading a truck and driving it

[viral vector]

yeah

trucks and tractors are pretty good for early midgame

[chrome cloud]

this doesn't work because belts in this game are very slow

[viral vector]

tbh, they are good for certain stuff for most of the game

[ocean frost]

a little bit lasts you a long time which lets you unlock solutions

[chrome cloud]

so you can't just expand production usually

you have to add more belts

[slim pier]

If you end up with everything in one place during late game (been there done that) the game gets quite laggy later down the line.

[viral vector]

Then have 2 belts or upgrade?
Or use tractors

[chrome cloud]

the game is going to get laggy no matter what it's ue

[slim pier]

I had to restart because of sheer lack of fps

[viral vector]

ohhhh, I didn't consider lag, is it a visual thing? like, can I just put everything inside or not?

[slim pier]

True true but you can help reduce said lag

[ocean frost]

what are you running the game on

[slim pier]

It is reduced when you can't see it yes. But even having it near you can be badish.

[viral vector]

good to know

[slim pier]

A high quality GPU lol. I had a LOT of belts in one place

[viral vector]

I fully thought you were gonna say something about space and I was like "uh...., I got space in spades" (desert start)

[slim pier]

For example. I took All the iron in the world to the starting place in the desert with only belts. No trains

[chrome cloud]

blueprints suck so bad in this game

devs went from "blueprints are actually bad because they lead to people just brainlessly copypasting each other's builds over and over, therefore you are wrong for even asking they be added" (famously happened in factorio) (did not happen in factorio) to "we are adding blueprints but bad"

[spark ruin]

GPU doesnt matter for the sort of thing you've been describing

[slim pier]

Oh? Ok nvm then that might be why my game is running badly then

[spark ruin]

CPU is what matters most for gigantic builds

[slim pier]

I'll have to check my specs then. I'll get back to ya on that one.

[spark ruin]

it'll work fine as long as you dont wanna build TOO much in one place
("too much" depends on what your PC has inside)

[leaden turret]

if you got space in spades, spades is probably too rusty to dig hole

🥁

[leaden turret]

blueprints are fine if you use them as intended.

problem is that people want to use them in ways that wasn't intended.

[reef basin]

no, they went to "we're adding blueprints that are different from other games, so you can't just paste your whole factory, but instead you have to use small puzzle pieces to put together the whole thing"

[viscid crest]

just asking but is there only the normal recipe for reanimated sam right? or is there an alternative

[tulip orchid]

Ngl I find the puzzle piece approach more interesting anyways, if you approach it with that mindset

Obviously the nature of your projects nonwithstanding, but designing a factory cube around "I can take X of [resource] and turn it into Y of [resource]," and figuring out how to staple those modules together can lead to interesting design choices

[tulip orchid]

SAM reanimation is just the default recipe, yeah.
I don't think the SAM Fluctuators get an alt either but citation pending

[dense violet]

'Be less bad at blueprints' - Sun Tsu

[prisma thicket]

My interesting design choices consist of trying to slap as many machines into the tiniest space possible, then realizing it's not enough room, adding more foundations, then finishing the project with way too many empty foundations lol

[tulip orchid]

Honestly a lot of my problems in blueprinting would be easily fixable by just splitting the modules out more

Super cramped prints going from iirc 120 iron ore directly up to reinforced plates were not my best idea

[dense violet]

yeah that's a lot of people's issue. Shockingly, if you don't have enough space you can just make your section into multiple parts

[tulip orchid]

I think it's all those darn "Here's your whole starter factory in one click" style videos that are causing this

[frail sleet]

You can make your section into multiple parts, but blueprinting something into 8 blueprints when you want fifty of it is extremely annoying.

Cramping stuff as closely together as you can to do it in 6 blueprints instead of 8 is also extremely annoying and ugly.

[stray meteor]

If i Have a Train with 1 Locomotive and 4 Freight Wagons, will it accelerate faster or reach higher top speeds if i add another locomotive?

[frozen ingot]

yeah it's basically like a compact/squeeze it in to this space kind of challenge

i think as well they wanted to embrace the verticality of the game with the blueprint system they chose

which makes sense

i still yearn for something else mind but... 😄

[prisma thicket]

How much Compacted coal should I make to prime my turbo fuel refineries? The rocket fuel plant I'm making is a closed loop, but I'll need to add some to the system before the machines start running to get it started.

[hybrid crystal]

I would do half a stack per machine personally

[prisma thicket]

Also, should I try to build my generators above my processing area and deal with headlift, or out over the void on a single pad?

[hybrid crystal]

Rocket fuel doesn't have headlift

[prisma thicket]

it's a gas?

[hybrid crystal]

Yes

[prisma thicket]

Nice! Thank you 😄

[hybrid crystal]

No problem 😄

Personally, I'm very happy with how my rocket fuel plant turned out where I package it all at point of production, then each fuel gen has a packager to unpack it and send the canisters back

So the only pipes involved with the fuel gens are the few meters from each packager to each generator, and I can control the flow of fuel with smart splitters.

[prisma thicket]

That seems like a lot of extra work, or at least more than my brain could handle lol

[hybrid crystal]

In my mind it's extra work up front for less troubleshooting later

But that's the beauty of the game, you can do it however you want

[wide hedge]

Does anyone know if this is a retexture of the game? #screenshots message

[prisma thicket]

I'm just trying to figure out how I should layout my gens at this point, I think I have everything prepped and ready to go, all solids are ready to go into their machines (except the compacted coal) and all the fluid pipes are loaded

[granite stream]

Hey if anyone has finished the game could you send me your save please

Please

[reef basin]

what do you need it for?

[granite stream]

So that I can copy some designs and have a fly around and see what others have done

[reef basin]

you can have a look at #screenshots or #design-and-architecture (if you're talking about actual design, not production line planning)

[turbid lantern]

there are also videos of peoples builds in #streams-and-videos

[viscid crest]

#screenshots message is it worth it to use plastic for the ai limiter?

[dense violet]

sure? if plastic is more convenient than copper for you

and it saves yo ua bit of caterium

[dense violet]

the value of each recipe depends entirely on the situation you create for them and whether they are a good trade off or not

[viscid crest]

I got the alternate recipees for plastic/rubber running rn so ig

[dense violet]

if you have oil near where you want to build and already making plastic for other stuff? sounds pretty convenient

or if you don't have copper near where you want the factory

lots of reasons to choose to use the recipe

[mossy moon]

if you say which is better if you got resources for both then consider power required. whcih in this case means 1 machine able to produce more ai limiters with an alt recipe compared to a diferent recipe

but power gets anoying to calculate if you count power required fro the shit before that and the power difernece prob dosent matter much

[reef basin]

most recipes trade one thing for another, be it power saved, resources saved, different resources used, space usage, simplicity, etc.

there's no "always better" or "always worse" recipe

[mossy moon]

too many things have the same answer of "it depends" but you just have to deal with it

[sick heart]

what's the go-to method for euthanasing the nuclear pigs

[mossy moon]

fight fire with fire, nuke the nuclear hogs
(never heard the word euthansnansnning before so i assume you mean killing it)

[prisma thicket]

Euthanasia is the term for "putting an animal to sleep" or yes, killing them.

[static surge]

except maybe cast screws

[latent prawn]

early, gas nobelisks do wonders with them and vehicles can shield you from the radiation, later in game i just float over them with the jetpack and shoot them with ex-rebar from the air. liquid biofuel helps stay in-air long enough to get off enough shots

[reef basin]

no, they skip a step which means they remove possibility to use stel/alu rod

[latent prawn]

they're rather easy to cheese once you realize their AI doesn't run from poison gas

[mossy moon]

how long does it take to suffocate them? i usually dont care about destoying nearby trees and stuff so id just nuke it as its fast and easy

[latent prawn]

a while. they have lots of hp

in places like the dune desert mesa mountain path, on which they do a pretty good job guarding, there's a bunch of patches of gas pillars you can bait them into

[mossy moon]

when you dont have nukes ig thats a easy way to deal with them

[latent prawn]

nuke nobs are a pretty late game unlock

i really don't like them in combat

i think they're main use is actually for build site clearing - they're AOE is a bit better than the cluster nob for land-clearing

[mossy moon]

its less fun but when your working on smth else and you need to deal with an enemy quickly bcs it was anoying then a nuke is better

[latent prawn]

not a huge fan, but everyone's play style is different

[prisma thicket]

Other than not requiring headlift, do gases behave the same as fluids in pipes?

[latent prawn]

just about. things like using a vertical pipe bend to prioritize input for some machines does not work for gas

[mossy moon]

not rquiring headlift is a pretty big change already so idk

never paid atention to gasses bcs the whole production line just starts working imediately bcs they dont behave that weird

[latent prawn]

the number of things you can do with gases is pretty limited, so your piping of them tends to be rather straight forward

[mossy moon]

pipes should be kept simple even for liquids bcs barely any human can comperhend the nonsense going on in those things with liquids

(mb i mixed up liquid and fluid, i do know pysics ok)

[prisma thicket]

What's the best way to feed a looped manifold of 150 fuel gens? I have 2 pipes of 312.5 rocket fuel each, should I put one into each side, or both on one side spaced out on like arms 2 and 4 of the 5?

[turbid lantern]

Yea thats what the factorio devs did. Fluids behaved in a realistic way and they eventually decided that the point of the game is to have fun and to dumb down the mechanics of fluids

[mossy moon]

each side probably better and its simple enough

[turbid lantern]

The best way is to over clock them and reduce the number of fuel gens by half 🙂

[mossy moon]

sadly its too late now and people have learnt how to use them and adapted

[latent prawn]

first, i'd clock the generators to 250 to reduce the manifold size from 150 to 60, then i'd break the system into 4 pipes of 15 gens or 3 groups of 20 gens, each with their own separate pipe network

[atomic notch]

Yeah i found out the other day that rods to screws and cast screws produce the same

Been messin with numbers lately

[tawny urchin]

How many cars can a train pull? I’ve got a track that does have some ups and down sections of track, and I do have a locomotive on each side. So how many freight cars can I put between?

[true mulch]

the limit depends on the slope of the track

generally around ~1:4 but you can have way more if you don't have long/steep inclines

[tawny urchin]

I do have a couple steep inclines because I’m going over some rough terrain so maybe 3 freight cars and 2 locomotives? Would that work

[proper hound]

1 loco is enough to pull 4 fully loaded wagons up the steepest incline.
If you happen to add more wagons and your loco can't pull it anymore, you can always add another loco at end of the train, facing direction of travel.

[tawny urchin]

I did not know that thanks

[true mulch]

I said 1:4, sorry if that wasn't clear

[tawny urchin]

But the train goes both ways. So I would have 1 locomotive pulling 3 freight cars and one locomotive in the back for going back the opposite way

[true mulch]

yeah, that works

alternatively you can rework the track layout to use loops instead of having a double-headed train, and then have just one locomotive at the front

[wet shoal]

@cold fable #screenshots message

You could have passed the right track under the other one, with a slightly steeper inlcination.
Would have prevented the crossing. Maybe for next time.

[random wasp]

Ever seen those mail rooms from the 1800s with a wall full of those vacuum tubes to sort everything? Making that but with hypertubes

Maybe the real efficiency is the friends we made along the way

[tawny urchin]

Yeah but my train goes from rocky desert to blue crater so I’d have to loop it around the whole map

[wet shoal]

Have one mystery entrance that connects to a 30x hypertube cannon, shooting you right into space.

[random wasp]

A mystery entrance that doesn’t shoot you into space and actually takes you somewhere

Gotta find it through trial and error🤫

[true mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/gai4i8/tight_turnaround/
you can make it larger or run it around the station (this is the first pic I could find, just for reference)

[abstract heron]

slowly working on getting a node for 9444 RF factory

[zenith pecan]

9444 rocket fuel? that's even more fuel than my three towers facility that produces a shit ton of power.