satisfactory

[brave widget]

when i killed it, he gave me a jetpack

[sinful carbon]

is the spawn random?

[brave widget]

i dont know

[white dawn]

Mob spawnpoints are fixed; so anywhere there's Alpha Hogs you could get Johnny instead

[brave widget]

if you want i cant show you where he was

[white dawn]

There's not a particular spawnpoint where Johnny's more or less likely though -- just the same random chance per alpha-hog spawnpoint

[brave widget]

oh okay

[white dawn]

And yeah, it's a great way to get a jetpack early on, though of course you can't rely on it

[mossy moon]

is it tho? i feel like handcrafting all the items from raw ore would be faster if its a one in thousand and you have to kill all the hogs at such an early stage

[nocturne nebula]

I have waited 5-6 years for lifts ... totally worth it!

[split badger]

i need to build some power storage for geothermal

[brave widget]

finnaly, i can rise to the sun

[split badger]

how long is flight time based on the fuel?

[white dawn]

Well, I suppose I'd intended "great" to be rather heavily-caveated. If you happen to run into Johnny early: free jetpack! As I say, if not, it's not like you can rely on it. :)

[white dawn]

Yep, but Solid Biofuel's better than nothing

[brave widget]

i builded a memorial

for johnny

[mortal ginkgo]

Any tips for Phase 3?
I'm again making a Temp build.

[split badger]

yeah but i want to know the duration, because there are some heights i need to get to, and i do have regular fuel now

[sinful carbon]

get turbofuel

[white dawn]

Oh, heh, sorry, misread your question. :D

Wiki's got the actual numbers; remember that repeatedly tapping thrust will get you higher than holding it down

!wikisearch jetpack

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[split badger]

looks like turbofuel runs out faster but it gives more height

[sinful carbon]

youll need to get sulfur and coal to your oil setup but when you have turbofuel its great

[sinful carbon]

its so much better

[split badger]

liquid biofuel has more airtime than turbofuel???

[mortal ginkgo]

Okay then no tips lmao

[white dawn]

Once you're to the Turbofuel stage, I tend to recommend keeping a stack of both Turbofuel and Liquid Biofuel around, so you can swap depending on what you want to do

LBF is great for really long-range floating (though the parachute is, too, of course), whereas Turbofuel's generally nicer for going up, and honestly has decent "floating" distance too, even though it runs out more quickly

You can get pretty decent height with LBF too but it's a lot slower than Turbofuel for that

[sinful carbon]

wait so if you use a hypertube cannon biofuel would be best?

i mean lbf

[white dawn]

If you want to glide around for as long as possible, yeah, LBF's the best fuel for sustained gliding (at least pre-Ionized Fuel)

Though if you're using a cannon you may as well just use a parachute instead

[mortal ginkgo]

For phase 3 what power is good I'm new there

[sinful carbon]

you have so much less control with parachute

[white dawn]

(And, as I say, even Turbofuel's got pretty decent glide time, honestly. It doesn't last nearly as long as LBF, but you can often get away with it anyway)

[white dawn]

You've got far more control with Parachute. Parachute is A+

Even without the sliding-up-ramps thing

Lotta folks sleep on Parachutes without realizing how great they are

They really do cut into a lot of LBF's functionality

[keen solar]

FINALLY I have made it to fuel generators phew. Power is no longer a pain in the

[sinful carbon]

doesnt parachute slow you down

in horizontal speed i mean

[white dawn]

It does enforce a top speed, yeah, which could be slower than what you were getting jetpackwise. The maneuverability is incredible, though

And, of course, literally never "runs out" :)

[ashen belfry]

Cannon with jetpack. After reaching the apex using the parachute to float

[white dawn]

Jetpack for height + quick switch to parachute is a very enjoyable way of getting around the map. :D

[leaden turret]

The maneuverabiltiy is incredible

goes uphill both ways

[keen solar]

Planning to build 8 of them clocked to 250% since they are lossless should give me 5 GW I think that is enough to get me to tier 7, if not I can scale it up easily since I can oc the extractor anyway

[mortal ginkgo]

Why is all this aluminum so complicated..
What is the main item of aluminum

[leaden turret]

bauxite?

[white dawn]

Be glad they don't make you use the real-life aluminum production methods. :)

[keen solar]

PTSD

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't mean that.
For example of iron ore it is iron ingot. Did I oversee a aluminum ingot?

[leaden turret]

@void gorge dares you to write a mod to recycle pepsi cans into aluminium ingots

[white dawn]

Bauxite is the base ore you need for Aluminum

[leaden turret]

you missed the ingot, yes

[white dawn]

It's a multi-step process which is intentionally harder than Iron Ingot, yes. :)

[keen solar]

In real life though I will have 1000 workers under me working on nothing but coffee until they die and I replace them with new ones

[mortal ginkgo]

Also I should quit Phase 3 lol I am only making 12GW

[terse venture]

i don't understand why everyone told his power status .. its like someone calculate how much screws he has .p

[leaden turret]

actually, that's a better point; @void gorge since you have your new office, dares you to make a HUB mod modelled on the recently-be-browned office

[keen solar]

I have 10 million power in rise of kingdoms

[ashen belfry]

120MW

[terse venture]

how much ? 😄

[split badger]

yeah but it can still help with reaching places

[ashen belfry]

4 Biofuel generators

[mortal ginkgo]

Do yall recommend Pure aluminum recipe?
I started in the GF

[terse venture]

na you posted screw pic, so i asked scrowamount .p

[reef basin]

do you want less alu per bauxite but no silica needed?

[mortal ginkgo]

Or let me ask this way.
For all the aluminum parts which alts are the best

[tall lantern]

there is no "best", you should know this by now

[reef basin]

there's never a "best"

[mortal ginkgo]

I think there's no Quarz next to the Bauxite (closest to GF)

[austere valve]

Best is whatever you can bother making

[neon forge]

finally getting some serious progress on phase 4 with having automated the magnetic field gens, totally looking forward to having to automate the other 3 ;_;

[white dawn]

On my 1.0 save I had I think six aluminum production areas, using four different production lines between them

As with anything else in the game, it all depends on what resources are nearby and what exactly you want to do with 'em

[mortal ginkgo]

Then I need the pure recipe.
There's no bauxite and quarz close to eachother

[reef basin]

you can always bring them close

[opaque mason]

Hey, IDK where to start this discussion. but what are the chances the developers of Satisfactory will implement random world generation? Kinda like Minecraft, but where the set amount of resources spawn. I feel like it would be cool having kinda randomized worlds.. anyone has other thoughtes?

[reef basin]

practically 0

[mortal ginkgo]

Oop.
I see a sloppy aluminum.
Looks good

[leaden turret]

• nil
• zilch
• pretend I wrote a longer list

[white dawn]

The best you might get is a resource-node randomization mode, but even that's far more likely to come from a mod than the mainline game

[leaden turret]

devs don't like it. https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/features/unplanned-features/procedural-generation/

[sinful carbon]

what you described is factorio

[mortal ginkgo]

Would sound not that bad, but Developers X Random World Gen?
Meh. They won't do it.

[opaque mason]

ah, I suppose this is because they rather want a beautiful detailed 3D map instead of random generated maps?

[white dawn]

For context, it's not even just a case of "we don't want to do that." It's a case of "supporting procedurally-generated worlds means basically rewriting the entire game"

[mortal ginkgo]

I think so.
And I believe it would be so much work and bugs yk.

[opaque mason]

Yeah

[white dawn]

You'd be looking at, like, another eight years of development for something they don't even want to do

[opaque mason]

true

and the game is fine in its current state

[leaden turret]

4k+ hours in a half-manhattan/0.9375 durham, england-sized map; is fine

[neon forge]

i could see a mod that randomises nodes and drops like spheres and sloops potentially be made one day but that's probably the closest to that that will ever exist

[sinful carbon]

how the hell do people make a logistics floor without having a fat ugly block under the factory building

[lyric gyro]

Build some foundations

[bitter crow]

does powershards last forever?

[lyric gyro]

Yes

[bitter crow]

damn

[lyric gyro]

My map doesnt load properly, is there anything i can do about it?

It says bad quality even after a minute

stays*

[leaden turret]

verify game files?

[mortal ginkgo]

What could we do with excess water?
Because of Aluminum Scrap

[white dawn]

Feed it back in, but to a separate set of machines

[leaden turret]

boil it in a coalgen

[white dawn]

ie: #satisfactory-experimental message

Or use it in another process like coalgens or wet concrete, yeah

[mortal ginkgo]

Verify Game Files.
If it doesn't work:
Your Map is gone, except you can navigate trough your save file lmao

[reef basin]

feed back

[lyric gyro]

You can feed it back in, but make sure to make a n shaped pipe that gets the excess water at the lower and closer part to the refinery

[austere valve]

Coal Generator

[lyric gyro]

pmo 💔

[lyric gyro]

With that you dont even need to regulate water flow in the first place

[white dawn]

Using a totally separate set of machines is a lot easier to set up

Zero debugging; pipes will Just Work

[mortal ginkgo]

Wdym seperate machines?

[white dawn]

See the link I sent

(You can mix the fresh+recycled and have a reliable system, of course -- I used to do it all the time. Nowadays I've gotten tired of debugging that kind of system, though, and just keep the fresh+recycled separate.)

[mortal ginkgo]

Why?
Should I just merge all the excess and input them back?

[reef basin]

have separate refineries that run on fresh water

[mortal ginkgo]

Reason?

[lyric gyro]

You can easily put the excess back into the refinery and overflow the whole system if you want

[reef basin]

works best and doesn't break

[mortal ginkgo]

Wdym break?????

[white dawn]

Yeah, as I say, you can mix 'em. But that's harder to get right

[lyric gyro]

Nice it fixed itself

[white dawn]

Perhaps you should just try things out and see how it goes. :)

[reef basin]

the system can deadlock, if you feed it back

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh now I get it.

#screenshots message

[lyric gyro]

Its a pity that you cant just dispose of the excess water

You can put it a bottle but pure water cannot be disposed

[mossy moon]

wet concrete i think best option. but its also nice to use it else where when you dont feel like placing more water extractors

[lyric gyro]

Absolutely

[zenith pecan]

Wet concrete feeding into a container then a depot before sink would also give you a source of free building material to boot.

[frozen cloud]

coeal gens imo

[lyric gyro]

Are there glass floors in the game?

[cloud salmon]

yes

[lyric gyro]

I cant find them in the AWESOME

[mossy moon]

i already have enoughconcrete and enoguh depot speed so i dont want to waste mercer spheres

[cloud salmon]

I think they are in the frame foundation or something

[mossy moon]

its the roofs

[lyric gyro]

You have like 150 of them

[mossy moon]

glass roof and the flat roof

[mossy moon]

most of them go to research

[cloud salmon]

no, there's a 1m foundation that's glass

[reef basin]

there's like 10 different recipes that need water, also coal gen/nuclear plant

[mossy moon]

oh ye that too mb

[zenith pecan]

I'm about to retire coal, rather than build more tbh, the wastewater is better used for other products, even the refinery pure recipes to extract more of for example caterium.

[tall lantern]

there are around 200 mercers left after all research is complete

[cloud salmon]

Structural Frame Set in Architecture

[lyric gyro]

Alright, i have 150 of them and i maxed out that alien technology

[mossy moon]

oh ok, never really checked

[mossy moon]

nvm that aparently you have shit ton of them

[sinful carbon]

is caterium wire alternate recipe good?

it looks like it is to me ngl

[reef basin]

depends

[mossy moon]

the answer is always the same

[lyric gyro]

Thank you 👍

[reef basin]

what is your definition of good? 🙂

[mossy moon]

"depends"

[white dawn]

Do you want to use Caterium instead of Copper to make some wire? Then sure.

[terse venture]

what ressources you needd more .. 😛

[lyric gyro]

Depends what do you want to make

[mossy moon]

most frustrating answer bcs its not an answer but its true

[mortal ginkgo]

Do you guys think 360 Casing and 180 Sheet/min is abit too much?
I just unlocked Phase 3 / aluminum stuff..

[cloud salmon]

I like using fused quickwire

[lyric gyro]

He doesnt know 👀

[mortal ginkgo]

What do I have to know?

[reef basin]

I think 15 of each is more than enough

[lyric gyro]

Honestly nvm that you have enough

[reef basin]

also isn't aluminium phase 4?

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean that's what I can get out of pure ore.'
What to do with the rest?

[mortal ginkgo]

I ment Phase 4 sorry.

[terse venture]

whatr you want to produce .. you never can have enough ressources .. build more industry .p

[reef basin]

don't make it yet

[mortal ginkgo]

I need it just begun with Phase 4

[reef basin]

sink ingots, wait until you have need for it

[mossy moon]

yeah you need aluminum for other things

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah, but I will still have too many bauxite rest or is rlly 15 of each /min really enough as you mentioned

[reef basin]

as with everything else - don't make things ahead of time, wait until you know how much you need and then make that much

[mossy moon]

but also you can use your extra casings and stuff for other productions

[mortal ginkgo]

I do.. Kind of?
What should I then do?

[mossy moon]

if you placed enough storage for it to pile up

[reef basin]

as I said, don't make any casings or sheets, sink ingots until you have need for one or another

[terse venture]

first alu can go in shredder for much points, for better alu next stage you need much alu basics

[mortal ginkgo]

Should I atleast build 15 of each /min but not power it on and just sink the ingots?

[mossy moon]

and use the existing extra casings and stuff for now till you have just enough left for storage and then use the ingots for anthing

[reef basin]

do you need 15/min of them?

[golden nexus]

build what you need for the unlocks

[mortal ginkgo]

mmmm
For hoverpack?
Yes.

[reef basin]

if you need it, build it
if you don't (yet) need it, don't (yet) build it

it's simple 🙂

[mossy moon]

not 15 per minute tho?

15 per minute is equal to infinite items if you have the time

[golden nexus]

the real issue here is your at Tier 7 and still asking "How many X do i need?" you didn't learnin the previous 7 tiers ?

[mortal ginkgo]

Me?
I didn't ask how many I should make?

[mossy moon]

also true

[mortal ginkgo]

Also what Project part is the first one to begin with?

[golden nexus]

link where you asked this question #satisfactory message

[reef basin]

you kinda did here #satisfactory message

[mossy moon]

as always. depends (ig)

[mortal ginkgo]

greeny said make 15/min.

[mossy moon]

he already made them (or plan to make that much) so imo its difernet

[mortal ginkgo]

The main answer I was looking for is if it was too much because of my 12 GW of power.

[mortal ginkgo]

Plan

[reef basin]

you asked subjective question, I answered with subjective answer 🤷

I could say "make 10000" and it would be the same effect

[terse venture]

its more interested to discutate how you test the qulity of your items before storage it .p

[reef basin]

if you don't have enough power, make more power
don't limit yourself based on available power

[mortal ginkgo]

For what do we even need aluminum?

[steady dome]

But please do tell people to make an obscene amount that they don't need next

[mortal ginkgo]

Any poroject partsß

[steady dome]

That'd be fun

[reef basin]

you will see that by playing the game

[terse venture]

mk5 need alu

[golden nexus]

Its like every other Tier. You put a machine / scalable setup down for each of the things you need as you start to need them and then move on from there

[terse venture]

and better alu need alu 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

To decide if I even need to automate it.

[mossy moon]

idk saying yes or no dosent spoil the game too mcuh right?

[golden nexus]

Need 27.73 bwd /min

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean I kind of now very much of the game.

[reef basin]

automate it if you need it 🤷

do you need it NOW? automate it now
do you not need it yet? don't touch it

[mossy moon]

you want mk5 belts and you prob want the better jetfuyel, but you decide if you think those are NEEDs instead

[steady dome]

MORE!

[golden nexus]

Need 42.31474 bwd per minute

[reef basin]

"need" for something is defined by the player's goals 🤷

[mossy moon]

beating the game is a good asumption isnt it

[steady dome]

Why do you go up in such small amounts?! MORE

[reef basin]

how do you beat a sandbox game? 😛

[mossy moon]

uh.. by that i meant the space elevator

[mortal ginkgo]

I'll just make Some sheet for hoverpack.
But I can't see what to do next? Or even what project part all of them seem complicated

[terse venture]

hehe lol greeny, i see the explorer who never build in this game .p lol nice pic in head

[white dawn]

Well, to be fair, the game does have an explicit goal, and you even get a credits sequence once you complete the game-given goals. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

I think they ment with beat is complete all the "quests"

[steady dome]

Is that the end of the game though?

[golden nexus]

do every unlock

[mossy moon]

just make the sheets and wait till you find out you need more. it will be fine

[white dawn]

It's certainly sandboxy in its implementation, and becomes a "pure" sandbox from that point, but I suspect most folks would consider finishing Project Assembly to be "beating" the game

[reef basin]

For that though, you don't really need things automated

[mossy moon]

ok now shit geting too tehcnical

[reef basin]

Apart from single machine making the end project parts

[mortal ginkgo]

Hmm.
I do need the belts.

I will just decide what project part to go with first.

[golden nexus]

Yeah there is at least

1. Do all hub unlocks
2. Do all space elevator parts
3. Do all mam unlocks.
4. Do all shop unlocks
5. Buy all shop trophies
6. Do all steam achievements
7. Do all hidden unlocks

Then.. you start asking "Now what?" also the game / sandbox at this stage has just started...

[placid stirrup]

8. ??
9. profit

[lyric gyro]

10)mods

[mossy moon]

of course saving humanity not on the list

[golden nexus]

and then when you want a real challange... play with complete beginners 🙂

[white dawn]

Just have to find the "currency" recipe somewhere.

[reef basin]

in general, I heavily recommend to make most if not all of the decisions yourself.

Asking "what do I do"/"how much I need"/etc. at every decision point kinda spoils the fun from the game, and also you won't be playing it the way you want, but the way random person told you to.

[lyric gyro]

Is there any mod to change time?

[reef basin]

ask in modding discord

[lyric gyro]

Like the atmosphere and stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

Hmm okay.

[lyric gyro]

:(

[neon forge]

good god i hope phase 5 parts won't be exponentially harder from phase 4 because i already feel like i'm about to go fucking insane

[lyric gyro]

Alright

[mortal ginkgo]

If you want day only there's one called perma day or so

[placid stirrup]

Coffee in the hub is close enough

[mossy moon]

there are

[golden nexus]

bwd isn't too bad.... lol

[white dawn]

Phase 5 is generally considered easier, btw

There's some fun new loops and stuff to work with, but Phase 4 is sort of the height of actual complexity

[terse venture]

ya phases are very different, some very easy, some very hard .p

[white dawn]

(There's still some dependency on your prior Phase 4 stuff, of course, but the new stuff isn't bad)

[placid stirrup]

5 is like the freestyle finish to a gymnastics routine

[neon forge]

the fact my world is anything but organised is certainly not helping matters either...

[mortal ginkgo]

I already know that but at the beginning every project part seem like a stranger

[reef basin]

the game is designed around not knowing things in the future, so it's completely fine to go into next phase blindly

[lyric gyro]

Phase 5 is the best

I can finally kick back and automate something

[sinful carbon]

is there no way to mirror a blueprint?

[neon forge]

currently i only got one of the project parts automated and still haven't even gotted the milestone for the particle stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean I feel myself like stupid and yk need help all the time.
Why? -> At the start till steel I followed someone else's playtrough.

But as soon as I got idk turbofuel I stopped

[mossy moon]

dam so no rocket fuel yet?

[lyric gyro]

There's zooped blueprints mod, other than that idk

[reef basin]

At the start till steel I followed someone else's playtrough.
this is a big problem, because the early game was supposed to teach you how to do things

[white dawn]

Not without mods, no. Keep in mind that many buildings aren't even symmetrical

(And even the ones that are effectively symmetrical are only such on one axis)

I suppose if you include power connections, probably none of them are functionally symmetrical

[mossy moon]

how would it work with asymetrical buildings

[neon forge]

lol i haven't even touched turbofuel yet

[sinful carbon]

bruh

this feels like it should be a basic feature

[mossy moon]

but jetpack tho.. the air controll is so nice

[reef basin]

how do you mirror a building that is not symmetrical?

[neon forge]

hoverpack exists if i need it

[white dawn]

(And what would you do if you have two buildings with opposing orientations in the same blueprint?)

[mossy moon]

but traveling using hypertubes and stuff

[golden nexus]

the mirror can be offset from the building eg middle of the street is the symmetry line

[neon forge]

i finally got around to start setting up some cannons lol

[sinful carbon]

if you are a dev you only have add the functionality of mirroring hitboxes and models to the game

[reef basin]

many buildings are not symmetrical at all

[reef basin]

"only"

I am a dev and I know this won't be "only"

[white dawn]

Regardless, CSS have self-evidentally not considered it worth it

[golden nexus]

yeah i know.. but you can mirror the whole building to another building

[white dawn]

You can suggest it at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ if you want; presumably it's already there and you could upvote it

[frozen cloud]

factorio did it so it must be easy

[mossy moon]

how would refineries and blenders work with the pipes on diferent sides.
foundry maybe could be mirored but with the top part idk

[white dawn]

Personally it feels like a waste of work to me, but perhaps CSS could be convinced

[reef basin]

please add /s at the end of such messages 😛

[golden nexus]

there has been mods in the past for doing mirroring... you place a line down and everything you build on one side appears on the other side of the mirror

[dusky spear]

where can i find my game files so i can swap my world to 1.1 ?

[low helm]

That 'only' is the push a snowball effect needs to hit you head on a few hours later

and you end up with unrelated stuff not working anymore. Good times

[white dawn]

Yeah, I'm always amused when I see folks say that stuff like that is trivial

Personally I'd rather CSS continue to focus on doing nifty new things instead of wasting time just so we can have another version of a machine that we already have. :)

[frozen cloud]

but is it more complicated that adding the 671s buildable into the game

[mossy moon]

#faq

[reef basin]

I'm not amused by people saying that something is trivial because it's usually a client requesting a feature to me

[golden nexus]

need a constant delivery mode 🙂

[low helm]

"Can't AI help with that"

[mossy moon]

%LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[reef basin]

oh I'm glad I haven't got an AI-driven client yet

[frozen cloud]

yeah lets focus on adding all those cool beams and walls
definitely what a factory game is about

[golden nexus]

AI generated pasta? :S

[white dawn]

Honestly, yeah, I 100% think that the extra cosmetic buildables they're adding in 1.1 are far "better" to have in the game than wasting time on mirrored buildings

I mean, I admit I'm not gonna complain if they ever do add mirrored buildings to the game

But I'd rather have new stuff.

[mossy moon]

its fun tho making shit look epic and then take epic-er pictures

[mortal ginkgo]

Hey greeny, if I have 2 refineries (Scrap, Solution) am I save to loop it back?

[frozen cloud]

for some not for everyone
a lot of people just dont care how it looks

[mossy moon]

you still need more water (unless you do funky stuff with somersloops). and valves

[frozen cloud]

but everyone is building factories

[mortal ginkgo]

I know.

[white dawn]

If you don't care how it looks, you also won't care if the pipe is on the left or right. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

40 more.

[frozen cloud]

its not just asthetics it also makes it easier to build
which is something i do care about

[white dawn]

I mean, I get it; I've done "symmetrical" buildings before, and sometimes that means coming up with varying pipe/belt layouts for each side, to account for where hookups are

But I'd still rather have fun new buildables than actually-mirrored buildings

CSS may eventually do it anyway, of course -- time will tell!

In the meantime I can feel smug that my own opinions appear to match CSS's priorities. :) (In this matter, anyway!)

[mossy moon]

people have difernet opinions so its all very dificult for them to decide on what to add

[white dawn]

Oh for sure! Now that we're in post-1.0 it's probably easier to prioritize the rando stuff that they didn't think was actually necessary, too

[frozen cloud]

well in reality its also probably different teams doing it

[white dawn]

See, for instance, Priority Mergers coming in 1.1

[low helm]

I honestly did not see those coming

[white dawn]

As I say, I'm not gonna complain if we ever do get mirrored buildings; I'm sure I'd end up using them too. :)

[mossy moon]

i remember thinking we needed priority mergers before but then thoguht we didnt need them but now they added it i see that we kinda doo need it for doin some complicated stuff

[white dawn]

They'll make life slightly easier for folks who insist on building busses, for sure. :D

[frozen cloud]

yay

[reef basin]

oh no

[frozen cloud]

JOIN THE DARK SIDE

[reef basin]

busses belong to Factorio

[mossy moon]

i thought it would be usefull for certain loadbalancing systems

[white dawn]

What if 1.2 adds belt grabbers? :P

[mossy moon]

not balanced i dont think

also idk how that would work

[reef basin]

well the reason bus is good in Factorio (and crap in SF) is because of variable production/consumption, so we'd need to get one of those (or both) in SF to make busses more useful

[frozen cloud]

oh no

[golden nexus]

this would be interesting 🙂

[reef basin]

at that point just go play Factorio tbh

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, I'm with you on the "busses are quite silly in Satisfactory" train. :)

[golden nexus]

needs tower defense 😛

[reef basin]

if you're gonna add all the Factorio things in SF and remove things that make SF be SF

[frozen cloud]

stop bullying main bus
it has feelings too

[golden nexus]

they work for some things if you abuse them correctly

[white dawn]

So do centralized megafactories!

[mossy moon]

yes yes i agree (even tho shit getting very laggy here)

[golden nexus]

they work when you have a shared belt with high value / low freq items only

[frozen cloud]

that requires spaghetti though

[lyric gyro]

mamma mia

[golden nexus]

Theres a few cases like stator + rotor + motor bus can work and the likes

[white dawn]

Eh, not necessarily. Just enough practice with managing that scale of build to plan things out well enough

[neon forge]

jokes on you my lines are all over the place and i still have spaghetti that'll make italians tweak out

[low helm]

Sounds like a skill issue

[leaden turret]

pineapple on spaghetti pizza

[frozen cloud]

yep thats why i do main bus instead of spaghetti xD

[white dawn]

(I mean, I'm not experienced enough to not end up with spaghetti if I tried a megafactory, but there are many more skilled than myself)

[low helm]

I am going to ask AI to create a picture of this now

[golden nexus]

just make mega factory on whole map... hide the spagetti in the train timetable 😛

[leaden turret]

distributed factories are just open-air megafactories

[frozen cloud]

yes thats the point
bus makes it easier
of course spaghetti is better if you know what youre doing

[white dawn]

Heh, that is true (re: distributed factories)

[leaden turret]

I mean you could use less co2 by cooking a pizza

[mossy moon]

mines not spaghetti but nearly every belt clips somehow and i just cover them up with concrete

[golden nexus]

it also doesn't have to be a mega factory.. it just needs to look the part for the screenshots

[frozen cloud]

is spaghetti that you cant see still tasty

[leaden turret]

if someone offers to blindfold you and feed you spaghetti, don't trust them

[white dawn]

What makes it easier is just Not Doing That In The First Place. :D

[leaden turret]

^also applies to credit card debt

[frozen cloud]

but here we are 🤷

[low helm]

I am a pioneer that is tasked to exploit a planet, CO2 is not one of my concerns

[leaden turret]

don't confuse the game with the planet you actually live on

[mossy moon]

add vents(and fans) and pretend they are some fancy carbon dioxyde colection systems

[low helm]

Oh I don't, just abusing the FICSIT mindset on real life when I see fit

[neon forge]

bought the milestone parts from the awesome shop like a caveman but unlocked particle enrichment

now i can just uh

get to work automating everything and regret every second of it

[mossy moon]

(what i did too bcs i couldnt wait anymore for rocket fuel jetpack)

[frozen cloud]

tony stark was able to build particle enrichment in a cave
with a box of scraps

[green fiber]

Tony start

[mossy moon]

start

lmao

[frozen cloud]

wops

[green fiber]

Tony Start when Tina Stop comes along:

[neon forge]

ngl if sunk cost fallacy wasn't a thing i'd probably have restarted by now lol

[sinful carbon]

doesnt get any realer than this

[mossy moon]

never heard of it. what is it

[harsh sphinx]

why did my guy drop my rebar gun when reloading

[sinful carbon]

you spent so much time on that world you cant just quit

[golden nexus]

the time up front to get to the decent part of the game you throw away when you restart

[green fiber]

Its always faster to switch pistol than to reload /j

[zenith pecan]

I spent 2600h+ in one save, it's retired now 😄

[mossy moon]

maybe report it on the qa site if you think its a bug and not smth you did

[harsh sphinx]

it wasnt like a real drop

[sinful carbon]

god damn

[harsh sphinx]

it was just like it looked like it dropped before it returned to my hand

[mossy moon]

barely understood a thing. lets see if google can explain better

[zenith pecan]

The save served its purpose though, I learned a shed load of lessons and I was constantly running tests during experimental versions from update 3 until release.

[sinful carbon]

ill explain in gambling terms

[mossy moon]

you can report it or upvote existing post if there is a post

[golden nexus]

How many hours does it take you to get to mk5 belts and mk3 miners?

[frozen cloud]

restarting is fun imo
you get to use all the knowledge you gathered to make a better factory

[mossy moon]

dont remmeber

[buoyant anvil]

Sunk Cost Fallacy: My boss had this problem. He would invest in something and even once it became obvious it was not going to make money, he would want us to finish it anyway, putting even more investment into a losing proposition. He didn't want to lose his sunk cost, but instead of losing the money so far, he put in even more to "finish" and lost all of that, too.

[sinful carbon]

"man i already spent on 2000$ on this slot machine, I HAVE to keep going because if i dont those 2000$ were for nothing"

[mossy moon]

it is but i see so much potential in my current world which motivates me

[golden nexus]

in software thats called a death march 😛

[neon forge]

honestly at the rate i'm going i'm probably not beating the game anyway lol

[frozen cloud]

sunk cost is like drawing back a bow
the further down you are the more you will shoot back up

[neon forge]

phase 4's getting deranged lol

[golden nexus]

yeah thats the biggest fool cause when you read hte code that runs the actual slot machine you would never ever ever ever play one except for the odd £0.10 when walking past

[silent anchor]

Isn't death march all the ovetime you do to desperatly meat the deadline?

[frozen cloud]

ey man we pay 30€ to see cute pixels on the screen

[buoyant anvil]

Slot machines: Every pull is exactly the same (bad) odds of winning. Lottery: Playing the same numbers on the hope that eventually it comes up because others were already picked - nope. Every day is precisely the same odds whether you pick the same or a random number.

[golden nexus]

nope

[zenith pecan]

Winning £10 from a joke ticket I put a long time ago was amusing, I put in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 , 2, 4 & 5 came up.

[golden nexus]

Slot machine. Gambling authority (in UK at least) mandates that it has to have a minimum payout rate of 72%. This means every time you pull the handle the odds change between each pull of the handle because the money in vs money out is different. So the odds are forced to be changed by the gambling authority

[mortal ginkgo]

Rerolling time.

[buoyant anvil]

Casinos are then limited to a maximum of 28% profit on slots there, but each pull is still the same odds within that limitation.

[neon forge]

i should probably start drawing power lines to the dune desert and look at setting up things there, i could easily make the whole thing a giant slab of foundation lol

[buoyant anvil]

The dune desert is tough to find the "highest" point.

[golden nexus]

Nope.. as it ca be influenced to when you pull the lever which changes the odds

[white dawn]

That's actually why I don't like building in Dune Desert mostly. It's tough to do anything with the terrain except pave it over, which I'm never a fan of. (I admit that people with more decoration skill than myself could almost certainly find interesting things to do there, of course)

I suppose going all-in on verticality would work; could build your towers in the depressions and then just have connections between all the buildings, etc.

[golden nexus]

towers.. more towers.....

[mossy moon]

yeah i made a gigantic platform and thoguth i can expand it through the whole desert but i ran into the terain

[sinful carbon]

moving to dune desert made me quit a run

[white dawn]

But even then the dunes aren't really high enough to make that look super interesting terrainwise

[sinful carbon]

too ugly to build

[white dawn]

In general I just resign myself to paving, when I do build there. :D

[zenith pecan]

I build factories on one plane there, but rather than pave it over, I connect with bridges & causeways.

[golden nexus]

in DD you can also build flat things on towers like you put the smelters in the legs kinda like oil rig design

[sinful carbon]

how do you make it look good

i did exactly that and it looked so dead

[white dawn]

Yeah, I recognize that in the end it's just a skill issue on my part. I just don't have the patience to actually git gud at decoration/aesthetics. :D

[zenith pecan]

This is truly old but here's an example #design-and-architecture message

[mossy moon]

i just slap on all the buildings i need and hope that i can cover it up and have it look good so thigns can look wildly diferent

[low helm]

Everything's a box factory. Some are just very decorated boxes

[mossy moon]

i disagree. i dont make them boxes but whatever shape the machines make

[white dawn]

Which, now that I think about it, is probably why I like building "with" the local terrain/environment so much. Hannah's doing a big chunk of my decorating work for me

[sinful carbon]

it looks so simple yet so good

yea i think i understand now

[mossy moon]

hold on imma take a pic of my small aluminum plant to prove a point. (also bcs i never took a pic of the full build and shown it off)

[sinful carbon]

you just gotta add texture to stuff like extra inverted ramps and stuff

[edgy python]

Is there any way to get more than 106 somersloops

[sinful carbon]

now i kinda feel like moving from grassy fields to dune desert lol

[zenith pecan]

Simple things, railings on the bridges, power built under them, channel belts along them where practical, even build stairs to the surface, so much you can do to add detail and cool.

[low helm]

Not without cheating/glitches

[edgy python]

Oh ok

I sorta needed around 209

[low helm]

Well if you don't mind it you could of course just put a bunch in a container through SCIM

[zenith pecan]

Had a map reset of all the sloop spawns a while back.

[white dawn]

(Or even enable Advanced Game Settings and give yourself however many you want)

[edgy python]

Where?

[zenith pecan]

I avoid AGS like the plague.

[sinful carbon]

are you sure your power grid wouldnt be completly bricked from that

[edgy python]

Well I was gonna boost a bunch of production lines as I skipped a few things and it would take me around 50hours of gameplay to produce more of the stuff I need to make nuclear fuel rods

[mossy moon]

it appears sf now crashes every time i try to join

[white dawn]

If it were me wanting to spawn in items, I'd prefer supported in-game methods to third-party save editors which aren't even opensource. :)

[mossy moon]

can any one help?

[white dawn]

(Not trying to imply SCIM is unreliable or malicious (I continue to recommend it to folks who need map editing), but still, that's my mindset. :)

[zenith pecan]

As you know, I avoid save editing myself, but a patch a while back put all the sloops back where I looted from haha.

[leaden turret]

source is public, doesn't need to be opensource to be peer-reviewed

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, good times. I think I only got a couple of extra sloops from that, though I did get a bunch more spheres

[white dawn]

I thought the public repos stopped getting updated 'round U7?

[leaden turret]

looks at your browser dev tools

[white dawn]

I admit I've not looked, but I assume that the browser-delivered code is all minified to hell, and you'd have to work to get all the assets, etc.

[leaden turret]

looks at prettify button in your browser dev tools

[white dawn]

But I'll avoid going on a FOSS rant here; as I say, I do continue to recommend it (and other sites like sftools, which are similarly not 100% opensource)

[edgy python]

How do I enable advanced game settings in a world I’m currently playing in

[white dawn]

Right, but it's still not the actual source

[leaden turret]

running source is better than no source

[white dawn]

And there's licensing issues to contend with

Anyway, I said I wouldn't go on a FOSS rant, so I'll stop now. :)

[wild marlin]

Let's install and run Satys Factory Plus and they say it can't run because of the Fluid Extra, so I'm trying to erase the Fluid Extra, but it can't be erased independently because of its dependence. Is there a way?

[mossy moon]

i seen poeple talk abt increasing the uobject count. how is that done

[tall lantern]

ini file edit, wiki's got instructions

[spice patio]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Unreal_Engine#UObject_Limit_Increase

[mossy moon]

thanks

[safe heron]

So, what would cause more performance issues, conveyor belts over 2000m or truck stations with Ficsit factory carts?

[mortal ginkgo]

What is regenerative braking?

I saw someone mention it on reddit

[true mulch]

braking pushes power back into the power grid

[mortal ginkgo]

So everytime I brake I get power?

[true mulch]

yes

but it's very negligible

[red sun]

yeah i wouldn't power your factories with a train that you keep braking

it would use far more power than it generates anyway

[grand tinsel]

gitahailer

[red sun]

engrish only pretty please

at least stop talking about hitler uwu

[grand tinsel]

Vse normalno super otlichno

a kak sam

[austere valve]

Probably truck stations, I bet belts are just abstracted and only render when you're seeing them

[grand tinsel]

ei cho ti bazarish

[umbral sparrow]

#rules keep it English

[placid stirrup]

Report, block, and move on

[nocturne nebula]

is it possible to nudge an already placed item?

[grand tinsel]

we talking english

[tender badger]

hey guys, how do i remove one single mod from smm? i want all the other mods i downloaded but one

[leaden turret]

prod your monitor with a finger

[grand tinsel]

ya shitau chto DaD top

uzbekistan alga

[umbral sparrow]

Idk how I should report tbh

[sinful carbon]

ok so the perfect amount of hypertube entrances needed to get from grassy fields to dune desert is 20

at 45° launch

[white dawn]

<@&387163995947270144> Shenanigans going on (see: fake + BAGMAKS)

[white dawn]

Pinging moderator (like so) is fine for cases where you don't mind doing it publicly. Otherwise #open-a-ticket

[north cloud]

@cedar talon english only - only warning

[grand tinsel]

obshaysa on english pls

[red sun]

fut the up shuck

[sinful carbon]

"i dont know english you fucking donkey"

[north cloud]

!ban 710872271773892608 dont join an english server then

[fossil ice]

fakee1111 was banned. | dont join an english server then

[sinful carbon]

lol

[mortal ginkgo]

BRO

I touched the space elevators upper thing and died

how am I going to get itlmao

nvm it tped down

[leaden ether]

I am genuinely surprised that the lizard doggy actually finds useful items. Random, and not many, but genuine items. Just got a blue slug. Seems like most games you'd get a stack of 5 iron or something.

[quick meteor]

What happens if I fill a truck with nuclear waste and drive it off the edge of the map

Would that just be an expensive solution to nuclear waste

[true mulch]

it will keep falling forever and lag the game

[true mulch]

used to be that way before 1.0 lol

other than slugs it would only bring ores, leaves and such

[quick meteor]

Hm, damn

[white dawn]

Or, sometimes, Uranium Waste. :D (Just pre-1.0)

[red sun]

yum yum

[stoic knoll]

do you get roof in phase 2 or something?

[red sun]

rood?

i believe you get roof items from the awesome shop

most cosmetic/architecture buildables are there

[stoic knoll]

hmph wouldnt have guessed, can you build on top of roofs?

[red sun]

i'm 99% sure you can

[stoic knoll]

basically start multi level production

[red sun]

you can also just use foundations for that

[white dawn]

You can generally clip however you like with architecture items

[stoic knoll]

being bottlenecked by the land
how do you get foundations up in the air? cant place them on top of walls

[red sun]

build some in a column, remove all but the top one

it will remain floating there

[stoic knoll]

aaaaah

thank you very much

[red sun]

because anti-gravity ficsit technology or something

[white dawn]

Even if you want to build something and it doesn't snap to a roof tile, you can still get them lined up and placed

[white dawn]

Foundations should snap to walls, you'd point at the side of the wall

[red sun]

you can also unlock different foundation (and wall) materials in the awesome shop too, if that's your jam

recommend having a rummage in there, there's some genuinely useful things there too

[safe heron]

So, what do you think about like 100 Ficsit Factory Carts to deliver Fuel from one side of the map to the other?

[red sun]

if you hate high frame rates, go for it i guess

i mean, there's no reason why you couldn't - there's just not many reasons why you should :))

[sinful carbon]

am i the only one that thinks this games world kind of looks like pandora

[mortal ginkgo]

lmao my live changed after hitting Phase 4 for some reason.
Every day I do one thing;
Today I did aluminumukm

aluminummum

aluminumu

what ever yall know

[sinful carbon]

i think its time to take a break dude

[mortal ginkgo]

Why?

[sinful carbon]

because you cant spell aluminum which is probably because you played too much

[mortal ginkgo]

alumilium

alimunum

Bro fr I can't

[white dawn]

<pratchett> I know how to start spelling aluminum, but how do I stop? </pratchett>

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't get what you mean sorry.

But thanks for spelling a-l-u-m-i-n-u-m

[ashen belfry]

Some places are definitely lookalike

But Pandora feels more magical
Can't explain how or why

[white dawn]

Heh, british author Terry Pratchett; recurring gag through a few books is characters asking how to stop spelling words which have repeated syllables and such ("banana" being one -- "aluminum" was never actually in the books but it made me think of it. :) (“Nanny Ogg knew how to start spelling 'banana', but didn't know how you stopped.” / “Letters rarely got written in that mine. Work stopped and the whole clan had sat around in respectful silence as his pen scrittered across the parchment. His aunt had been sent up to Varneshi's to beg his pardon but could he see his way clear to sparing a smidgen of wax. His sister had been sent down to the village to ask Mistress Garlick the witch how you stopped spelling recommendation.”)

[ashen belfry]

I think it's kinda funny that American English and British English have 2 different spellings for aluminium and aluminum

[tall lantern]

and for once, the americans didn't take the u out

[azure swan]

SFTools errors out when I try to plan for plutonium fuel rods, even when I've clicked off all recipes. Is it just not implemented? Seems strange since the material is available as a selection.

[sinful carbon]

petition to rename aluminum to aluminium

[tall lantern]

need to manually enter the waste

[tall lantern]

it's already aluminium tho

[leaden ether]

The actual inventor/discoverer of the metal named it "Aluminum" (After the first name being rejected) and the british science consortion changed it to "Aluminium" SO the US is just paying homage to the discoverer while the british snubbed him.

[azure swan]

You mean the input waste or the output waste?

[tall lantern]

input

[sinful carbon]

its not just the british using aluminium

[tall lantern]

burning rods in reactors isn't a recipe, so Tools doesn't know how to make uranium waste

[sinful carbon]

like all european languages use aluminium

[white dawn]

Yeah, the American "aluminum" is the outlier here; we just decided to be difficult as usual for some inscrutable reason

[leaden ether]

You mean "respectful" 🙂

[sinful carbon]

also its annoying it doesnt end with ium when there are so many elements that end with that

[azure swan]

I was trying to get a view of the downstream parts required. I guess I just plan to make uranium rods and plutonium rods and give it the uranium waste as an input?

[sinful carbon]

so if i discover an element i can name it "shatmyselfium" and people should just accept that

[robust thorn]

Finally getting satisfactory next week

[leaden ether]

Well the guys first name was kind of stupid and he capitulated on that front.

[golden nexus]

yes...

Arsole
Yes, believe it or not, there is actually a molecule called Arsole... and it's a ring! It is the arsenic equivalent of pyrrole, and although it is rarely found in its pure form, it is occasionally seen as a sidegroup in the form of organic arsolyls

[sinful carbon]

tbh it has a meaning behind the name tho

[ashen belfry]

Little fun fact. I almost ended up as a chemical technician at a plant producing aluminium.
And before that I tried for a job at the neighboring plant producing the necessary chlorine for said aluminium plant

[flint mantle]

Is anybody's game always crashing after 10min of gameplay, i havent been able to play for months on v1.0.1.4 B - 4385279

[tall lantern]

no, but if you make a #1038092680493801533 with the crash log pasted as text, someone might have an idea

[normal vault]

Mine has been crashing recently but it might be from using a lot of memory.
Playing Satisfactory, having Satisfactory Modeler running and watching YouTube probably doesn’t help lol

[flint mantle]

ill have a deeper look, thx

[junior laurel]

haha, yeah Satis, Modeler, GIMP (for doing "napkin" diagrams), youtube, discord
My room is toasty :D

[normal vault]

Lmao, I’m also running mods too so that’s probably chomping the memory too.
I was going to ask if there is a program that gives us the ability to draw out satisfactory plans XD

[junior laurel]

Oh that's a killer yea!

[normal vault]

Like I can tell when my game is close to crashing because the textures start getting blurry and low-fi

[junior laurel]

That's the game screaming for help :)

[normal vault]

The funny thing is it doesn’t lag or stutter until the crash which is surprising all things considered

[dim sundial]

wow this join BPs works horribly

[white dawn]

#satisfactory-experimental

[west geyser]

I'm having trouble with 2 of my manufactuer inputs, 2 are going in fine, 2 are not even though all the belts and lifts r connected fine... ive tried deleting, remaking them in different orders etc, will post in screenshots

[reef basin]

post in #1038092680493801533

[west geyser]

the 2nd and third inputs r not going in

[fresh wing]

is there no keybind for the notes thing?

[white dawn]

I don't think so, no

[nocturne nebula]

oops!

[random wasp]

any tips to not have it look like ass with conveyors all over my factory?

[ashen belfry]

Organisation floors below the actual floor

Don't remember the exact name of that though

You can hide it quite neatly. And just place splitter below it and use lifts and conveyor lift holes

[white dawn]

Usually called a "logistics floor," though it's not like that's an official name or anything. :)

[white dawn]

Practice, mostly! Getting used to how to lay things out efficiently. Some folks use logistics floors to hide various bits of belting, etc, though that's not necessarily required

[random wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-good-idea-samuel-l-jackson-darius-kincaid-the-hitmans-bodyguard-i-agree-gif-18233404

[white dawn]

It helps to avoid centralizing any resource production, even inside a factory

[random wasp]

will be tearing up my factory and doing that later!

[white dawn]

Like if three different components in your factory need Steel Beams, don't make the Steel Beams in one location and then try to route them around; instead make the beams right in front of the stuff that needs them, etc

[golden nexus]

I see people doing logistics floors where as that they do is just move the belt spagetti down a level.... if you want a different way to do it... its to consume things where they are produced

[white dawn]

Though in the end you can have a clean looking factory no matter what you do -- the main thing is practice. It takes awhile

[golden nexus]

you can also see i am not th eonly person saying this 🙂

[random wasp]

ah i cant post a pic of my factory but im in the woods and to get a "logistics floor" would mean having a separate logistics floor for each kinda terrace i have 🫠

[golden nexus]

eg the is minimum belts. the quickwire drops are directly from constructor to be consumed in the assembler #screenshots message

[random wasp]

since everything is on a different level

[white dawn]

(And, in a roundabout way, more encouragement to build smaller single-purpose factories instead of big complex ones that make multiple parts. Not only is the organization generally easier if you do that, you also get to learn from your mistakes as you build, and try out new things more readily with each new factory)

[indigo osprey]

will a mk1 pipe actually feed 8 coal gens? cus 8 gens needs more than 300m3

[golden nexus]

no

[tall lantern]

nope, but there are solutions

[indigo osprey]

what can i do?

[random wasp]

no but you can have one pipe feed 4

[golden nexus]

feed it from both ends

[white dawn]

As you've discovered, doing that requires some pipe shenanigans so that no one segment needs more than 300/min

[random wasp]

and then have 2 pipes

[white dawn]

Yeah, feeding from both ends (ie: a big loop around both the extractors and the gens) can do.

There's also various other ways to pipe it which can work:

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[golden nexus]

well you can have 1 pipe but inject water after some of the coal gens have taken some of the water out then there is space for > 300/min water

[tall lantern]

similar logic to everything else you've done up to this point: if one <thing> isn't enough, then you need moar

[white dawn]

I tend to do the loop thing, myself. ie: ```
[C] = Coal Generator | [W] = Water Extractor

[C] [C] [C] [C] [C] [C] [C] [C]
| | | | | | | |
/-+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+-
| |
-----------+---+---+-----------/
| | |
[W] [W] [W]

[random wasp]

what...

[tall lantern]

other options include just not putting it all into one pipe system. I'm partial to underclocking extractors to 75% and attaching them to 2 gens

[golden nexus]

If you feed 240 water to a pipe. And then you flows past 2 coal generators. How much water is in the next sectino of pipe after the coal gens take 45 each?

[random wasp]

a bunch 👍

[golden nexus]

🤦‍♂️

[undone gust]

Hey guys, just got the game, question: i've done some searching about the tooltip info delay in the inventory and other places, is there anyway to shorten the tooltip delay pop up from hovering over an item?

[ashen belfry]

Thanks. That was the word I tried to find. Being a non native English speaker is hard sometimes

[true mulch]

I don't think there's an option for that

[random wasp]

since im building much more vertically i think im gonna try making a logistics roof

[undone gust]

yeah i was lookin' no luck. there's no mods that change it either which is odd, i can't be the only one it drives crazy 😅

[true mulch]

haven't seen anyone else ask about this

do you need to look at item names often?

[golden nexus]

like this sort of vertical? #screenshots message

[true mulch]

if you have a hard time telling them apart, there is an option to add little abbreviations

[random wasp]

not quite, i have a lot of flat sections but theyre all on different levels cuz northern forests most scarce resource is flat ground

[undone gust]

dunno, just started a bit ago, still getting used to it. i just put in 60 hours on Schedule 1 and i guess my brain was thinking "why isn't this item tooltip instant like it is on there?" maybe just not used to it

[junior laurel]

I'mma guess you mean a mezzanine
an intermediate floor between main floors of a building, and therefore typically not counted among the overall floors of a building

[true mulch]

just make a lasagna

layered spaghetti

[true mulch]

could be that you're just used to instant tooltips, yeah

I have 2k hours in the game and never found any issues with it

[golden nexus]

Often people end up with the mess like this when doing it.. which is the same problem #screenshots message

[undone gust]

that's fair 😛

[main mantle]

Of course someone makes walmart in satisfactory

[junior laurel]

I plan on making IKEA :3

[main mantle]

Oh really 🤔 lol

[junior laurel]

is the bot dead?

[main mantle]

Probably

[junior laurel]

bruh

[main mantle]

People made walmart in Minecraft too....

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @junior laurel

[junior laurel]

OH, just slow.

Modding discord for all your modding needs

[main mantle]

Awsome! Cant wait to see the ikea one day

[golden nexus]

just a bunch of items all over the place which says "build you base" here the steo by step guide

[solid shell]

is there a channe i could make a suggestion for the game?

[red sun]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[trim vine]

Was the feature to add a building to be excluded when dismantling ever added?

i.e, I want to avoid dismantling foundations when I mass clear a factory floor

[azure swan]

Just looked into the production of nuclear power sources. Holy hell making those fuel rods is complex. Coal: raw product is fuel
Fuel: one step away from raw product is fuel
Turbo fuel: 2 steps away from raw product is fuel
Uranium rod: 7262628363627 steps away from raw product is fuel

[bitter crow]

are power shards permanent?

[trim vine]

YES

[rancid turret]

you can remove a power shard from a building

but you can't delete them

[bitter crow]

are you SURE

i thought they only lasted a little bit

[golden nexus]

basic uranium rod is not that complex. Its eletro rods, concrete, sulphur acid, encased beam

[tall lantern]

they're not consumed by overclocking, if that's what you mean

[bitter crow]

thank god

[trim vine]

When you say permanent, what do you mean?

They last forever if placed in a building

[rancid turret]

leave them in a building and it'll be overclocked forever

[bitter crow]

YESS

[trim vine]

I will say though...

BMB>30
Coal Genny>75
Fuel> 250
Nuclear>2500

[azure swan]

I guess the complexity came from asking the tool to maximize the output so it started using a ton of alternate recipes, like uranium fuel unit seems pretty insane. It's practically a space elevator part

[golden nexus]

yeah you can do that part later. Cause you can make eletro rod from ai limit and stator. Which actually only needs plastic and quickwire with the correct recipies. Then concrete and iron if you have iron pipe, encased pipe....

[golden nexus]

the trick is to change it out later to the more efficient one when you need a power upgrade this normally means railing stuff to the nuclear rod creator

bear in mind when you get your first few rods out... you basically have unlimited dron fuel 🙂

[azure swan]

Really I'm just trying to make my big picture plan. I'm just starting phase 4. I've made a bigassed plastic/rubber plant and a bigassed aluminum sheet and case plant. Trying to figure out what's next

All of my previous building has been bespoke quantities for a specified number of elevator parts/min that is really not good enough for this phase so trying to decentralize and make outposts that generate the basic parts at mass quantity

Previous builds were not made in a way that was remotely modular or scalable

[rancid turret]

there's also rocket fuel which, in my setup, uses about 10 recipes

[trim vine]

Nuclear is next, as you move into the end game, power becomes exponentially harder to manage, so a lot of people def try and maximum their production that lends itself to power before trying to automate the other endgame stuff

[azure swan]

I was looking at maximum use of all of the uranium on the map and the plan it spit out was absolutely insane

[golden nexus]

hahahah bad idea

[azure swan]

Oh I know, it's just funny to check out.

[frozen ingot]

yeah i love using SFtools and the complexity of the late game items are nuts

[golden nexus]

600/min (1xnode) gets you like 12 reacotrs @ 250% or about 75gw

[azure swan]

Particularly because maximizing anything forces the algorithm to convert resources in whacky ways

[golden nexus]

yeah like playing on multiplayer even grabbing enough encased beam, eletro rods for a few boxes to make the rods was enough for a few days power

[azure swan]

I think I'm going to hand make the parts necessary to unlock mk3 miners then work on nuke

[golden nexus]

oh mk3 miners is 100% a priority after that the builds become static as they are at maxium resource extraction rates for impure / normal nodes

[azure swan]

Honestly the most intimidating thing about almost any plan at this point is the prospect of having to run all of the rail

[frozen ingot]

at least it's that much quicker to set up rail now in 1.1!

[azure swan]

I'm still playing on stable. I forget, what's quicker about rail in 1.1?

[golden nexus]

autoconnect

[frozen ingot]

just the new blueprint auto-connect feature

[golden nexus]

infinate nudge

[frozen ingot]

works with belts, pipes, and rails. Check out some vids if you haven't already, it's impressive!

[azure swan]

Oh shit so you just drop pylons down and run

[golden nexus]

kinda you can click and the rail connects... then you just move the strucutre to where you want it. Press H nudge it to position and click and you have rails

[azure swan]

I feel even the python build thing is a little tedious having to count out foundations to make sure stuff can connect (if you're running pipes, tubes, and belts)

[azure swan]

Oh you mean for dropping in a station etc?

[golden nexus]

no completye track sections

[golden nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1UnsjD82c&t=620s

[azure swan]

Thanks! Will check it out when I'm home. Perhaps I have to finally make the jump to experimental....hmmmm

[fathom oriole]

Whats the best/easiest way to build? For example if I was making a stitched iron plate factory, do you make the iron plates and cable on site, or do you have a dedicated plate and wire factories and them belt that in?

[golden nexus]

on site

[fathom oriole]

What about when you get into more complicated recipes, same thing or then make separate factories?

[golden nexus]

Like consider this #screenshots message

Then consider what happens when you connect towers of that to each other

there is many ways to approach it and its different for every recipies / combination

Something best built vertical, some on their side...

some a combination of both

[fathom oriole]

So when you then go and make bolted frames, you would just link the plate factor to that, or also that one on site?

I've been making my blueprints, just trying to figure out the best way to about it

[golden nexus]

Yup. So you inject iron ingots for rplate for example.. mayby even two belts of it. one for making plate, one for the screw side. Then the screw side could be shared with the bolted frame side as well for its screws .....

but of course thats not always the best way... just hte best way for some situations 🙂

[fathom oriole]

I made a big belt highway that i was using for basic materials, like ingots, crystal and all that and having my factories on the sides. But kinda running into how I would handle more c omplicated recipes. Im wondering if I should just add more things to the main belts

[azure swan]

That's one of the great things about the game. There are a bunch of ways of doing the same thing. Each has it's own advantage.

[golden nexus]

yeah... like the method i use is extremly concrete heavy and you need lots and lots of floors

[azure swan]

You could make your main beltway carry the more complex parts, or you could create new beltways for different tiers of items, or just specifically bus parts from point A to point B. Choose your own adventure.

[fathom oriole]

Alrighty. I'll probably end up adding more to the highway. Thank you for the input. I have a bad time with wanting to perfect everything before starting and it was frying my brain lol

[golden nexus]

I find it helps to convert a node to something like rplate and then consume it

so you isolate a cluster of iron nodes for rplate

depends a lot on how you approach things of course and what your goals are

this for example does 300 stator a minute 🙂 #screenshots message

[azure swan]

That can really get you in this game. I feel you on that! Try to embrace the process of progress. You'll learn something new every build. Just pressing forward and doing it helps you find those little process pieces you didn't like and it can help you refine the next project!

[plain hill]

Im having some difficulty understanding the blueprint when it pertains to foundations, it seems 1m foundations used as a base plate for snap to existing foundations, but halfway through. Can I expect foundations from blueprints to snap to the side of existing foundations, or should I not add foundations?

[golden nexus]

depends.. if you are building on foundations.. don't have them in the bottom of the blueprint. if your building towers like i am and the floors need foundations.. then you have foundations

[plain hill]

So they will snap to the "correct" height if there are not existing foundations?

[green fiber]

From experience, blueprints tend to snap ok next to each other. Though i usually have a foundation BP seperate onto which i then place machine BPs

[azure swan]

You can go either way easily. Using normal build mode you can snap the sides of a foundation to the side of another. You could even just have one single foundation placed as a guide if you want. Most people will opt to build either floors or ceilings, but not both. Also keep in mind when placing a blueprint you can press R to get into blueprint mode where it will try to snap the borders of entire blueprints to eachther instead of individual items inside.

[plain hill]

Ok, thank 🙂

[azure swan]

I found blueprint snapping mode to be a game changer

[plain hill]

Same, found it in my previous playthrough, along with the half meter issue

[azure swan]

Half meter issue?

[junior laurel]

When we can make trains go upside down so I can make a loop-de-loop I will stop asking for it every day.
have the auto connect so I can do that death coaster thingy

[plain hill]

Having 1m foundations in my BP, building it on existing foundations, the new foundations are snapped correctly laterally, but vertically its halfway through the existing foundations. 1m foundations result in half a meter foundations. Hope that explains

[azure swan]

That's strange. I've never tried to build 1m foundations ontop of other 1m foundations with a BP, but that is certainly weird behavior.

[junior laurel]

This isn't a joke, I want to make my train network a roller coaster network, I want my nuclear fuel rods to do the most dangerous shit possible while in transit

[plain hill]

Realized when I made a 2x2 power tower with lights bp, scattered them around my existing base

[azure swan]

Regular trains on regular tracks certainly cannot go upside down IRL either.

[plain hill]

Not with that attitude

[junior laurel]

We have mag trains ;-;

They're made with magnets, now how do they work? fucking magnets...

[plain hill]

Is there a channel or webpage where you can share and download BPs?

[azure swan]

SCIM

[golden nexus]

Yeah people who are commuting don't tend ot like that. They tend to spill their coffee while pulling 3.5g in a corkscrew

[azure swan]

Oddly enough a tight flip or corkscrew might keep your coffee right in the bottom of your mug.

[spiral badger]

I'm having a weird time with pipes right now and oil

[golden nexus]

you almost always get laterial on a corkscrew to a degree

[junior laurel]

I need to make sure my reactor fuel is having a fun time before they get to make me power :D

[azure swan]

Yeah I guess a flip you'd be good but a corkscrew would slosh ya sideways.

[golden nexus]

its best shaken not stirred 😛

[junior laurel]

#satisfactory-experimental message Is this shaken enough?

[lyric gyro]

Imagine if wires didnt increase the number of possible connections, but instead had max. MWT speed and increased that with each lvl just like conveyers

[azure swan]

Looks like one of those weird spots where drivers have to change from a left hand drive country to a right hand drive country.

[golden nexus]

thats always great fun.. especially when you reach for the gear stick in the door pocket 🙂

[junior laurel]

I declared that I would never make a normal train network.
I might not be able to make a loop-de-loop, but I am one step closer to what I want with that thing

[crude canyon]

I'm thinking of building my factory like manifolds, but if there's 1 manifold going to 2 ways, then they'll be using separate belts

[left totem]

no it can manifold, with normal splitters and smart splitters

[crude canyon]

I won't build like that anymore

The reason I like manifolds is because I can later go to this factory and expand it
I noticed that when expanding, some expansions were hogging items that were supposed to go for the older things that were working well

[frail sleet]

That would turn the discord support channels into something similar to r/pcmr posting melted 12vhpwr cables every day

derate your cables by -20% because of the desert heat ✨

[azure swan]

All -> old thing
Overflow -> manifold downstream
Absolutely zero way for anything added downstream to change how your old thing is working.

[elfin pagoda]

i love turbofuel yum

[crude canyon]

yeah, but then you're kind of just building a new factory in front of the old one

which is ok, but the benefit of the expansion is that there's throughput and logistics you can still use

that mk4 with modular frames can still carry more stuff

[azure swan]

That's exactly what a manifold is...I don't get what you're getting at.

[crude canyon]

the idea here is, if wire is being used for rips and for cables, then the machines making it can use the same line for the supply, but they'll be merging on different lines
then if I need more rips I'll add more machines, but merging on line 1, and if I need more cable I'll add more machines but merging on line 2

[whole ermine]

will it mess with my train throughput if nothing is straight - im not placing any of it on the grid or snapped to eachother

or should i try and build it straight

[azure swan]

Sounds an awful lot like adding machines to the end of a manifold

[crude canyon]

oh, I thought you were talking about end of the factory

well, yes, but the merging will be different

[azure swan]

A little wiggle isn't going to kill your throughput. Just FYI you can hold ctrl to force the rail straight

[whole ermine]

im using rail autoconnect

you can snap bps to the grid right>

[crude canyon]

I'm trying to say controlled failure is a thing, but you guys are probably asking why fail at all

[azure swan]

Sounds like you're talking 1.1. I'm not on 1.1

[whole ermine]

ik, you answered my question tho. Thank you!!!

[hexed bolt]

I set up a new PC, save transferred over fine but I lost some of my keybinds and it seems like my hoverpack no longer will descend and I don't even see a keybind for that in the settings. am I missing something obvious here?

it was on L Alt before, but that does nothing now

[shrewd palm]

default bind is C iirc

[hexed bolt]

that doesn't do anything either.

[weary pasture]

Someone mind telling me how to get in this care near the dune desert spawn? The coords are 230, -265 on Satisfactory Calculator.

[shrewd palm]

crouch binding probably

if not then im not sure

[placid stirrup]

It's the same as crouch. You might have "ascend" (jump) stuck on hoverpack, it does that sometimes. Just press ascend button once then you can descend.

[hexed bolt]

yeah I have crouch bound to left alt, which is what worked on my previous pc

[hexed bolt]

will try this

[placid stirrup]

SCIM has cave and entrance overlay

[weary pasture]

Yeah it says it only has 1 entrance and i can't seem to find where it is in game

[placid stirrup]

Dashed lines with the overlay depict the entrance, just look closely on SCIM

[weary pasture]

Yeah i know thats what i used initially i;ve scoured the location in game where the dotted lines are and can't seem to find it

[placid stirrup]

Lots of verticality in that area; you'll likely have to check up and down the entire mesa

[leaden turret]

looks at sky

lots of verticality everywhere

[azure swan]

I can't bring it up right now but there is a cave in the western desert I could not get into as well. Seemed like verticality wasn't an issue cause straight down was sand and straight up was sky.

[weary pasture]

Yeah i've spent over an hour already looking for this cave entrance on all sides of the mountain not just where SCIM says the entrance is with no luck

[azure swan]

The one I'm talkin about was way out in the open so must not be the same spot

[bitter crow]

if i lead 32 water pumps of water thru one pipe, will all 64 coal generators get a sufficent amount of water?

[iron kraken]

Wich pipes are u using mk 1 or mk 2

[placid stirrup]

Mk12 pipes needed for that amount of water. @bitter crow just check how much water comes out of extractors and compare with pipe capacity.

[bitter crow]

mk1

[iron kraken]

U have way to much water lol

[placid stirrup]

There's a standard setup for early coal power if you want to see the diagrams

[bitter crow]

2 to 3 pipes then?

[iron kraken]

1 mk1 pipe can hold 300 water p/m and if u have 32 extractors u would need to do 32*120

[azure swan]

Mk1 pipes carry 300/minute. Each water extractor extracts 120/minute.

[bitter crow]

damn

[night summit]

Been awhile since iv played do they still update the game?

[bitter crow]

yea

[bitter crow]

1.1 is in exp

[iron kraken]

I did the maths u need 12.8 pipes

[bitter crow]

so 13?

[azure swan]

The ideal ratio is 3 water extactors for every 8 coal generators. There are a bunch of arrangements of piping that make this work out.

[iron kraken]

Ues

[night summit]

Public beta or no?

[bitter crow]

public

[iron kraken]

Public is oit

[azure swan]

You're a lot better just doing 3 extractors and 2 pipes for every set of 8 coal generators. Believe me.

[night summit]

Where can i see what it changes

[iron kraken]

Watch the YouTube videos maby

And the trailer

[night summit]

Oh do they not have like a news letter?

[iron kraken]

They do

Like when u load it up you see like a screen where eu need to like click i accept to play

[night summit]

Oh ok its installing right now so just waiting on that

[iron kraken]

Takes very long lol

[iron kraken]

And backup ur saves

[azure swan]

There is also a patch-notes channel in this discord

Goes right from asking what changed to installing it 🤷

[iron kraken]

Nohting

They only added hyper tube and move ent stuff and decorative stuff

[bitter crow]

i have 64 coal generators, should i overclock the miner to be able to make 68 that way my whole generator is symmetrical

[iron kraken]

What u like

In my world im using like 150 power shards already

[mental seal]

Any idea how long 1.1 will be experimental for? I'd like it to be stable before taking the plunge

[bitter crow]

i have used 0 since i tohught they expired after a bit

[iron kraken]

Nah in 1.1 power slugs reset

[night summit]

vertical splitters and priorty mergers sounds nice

[iron kraken]

They are

[bitter crow]

wdym

are they gonna start disappearing

[iron kraken]

Like when u collected power slugs before 1.1 those are back

[bitter crow]

oh ok

[iron kraken]

And they added alot more purple and yellow slugs

[azure swan]

I heard this only happens for slugs' whose positions change in the patch.

[iron kraken]

They change like 1 meter

Most.of them will be on the same rock

[bitter crow]

#screenshots ty

[azure swan]

Connect each set of 3 together then pull 2 pipes from that setup. Lots of ways to do it but I prefer:

   out     out
    I       I
+---+---+---+---+
I       I       I
ext.    ext.    ext. ```

[bitter crow]

ah

ill try to do it, ty

[frozen ingot]

150hrs in my 1.0->1.1 playthrough so far 😮

not much by some accounts sure, but!

[bitter crow]

is coffestain still swedish or was it bhougt by someone?

[ebon flare]

Hi can I have some help please

[azure swan]

Not if you don't ask a quesiton.

[ebon flare]

How do I paint my entire factory at once

[azure swan]

Everything by default will be using the upper left swatch. If you change that swatch then everything you haven't explicitly painted a different color will change along with it.

[ebon flare]

Oh I see

[azure swan]

Same applies in reverse...if you paint something with swatch X, then you change swatch X, all of the things you painted with that swatch will change.

[ebon flare]

So if I just change everything back to that colour then it will go back to normal?

[azure swan]

The only exception is the "custom" swatch which is a one time use thing.

[ebon flare]

because I applied a paint finish but nothing changed

[grizzled lotus]

I just made a super-long trek on foot and realized I can't make a powered miner and a long enough belt to mine SAM. Anyone know how much I should manually mine to get the dimensional depot?

[azure swan]

If you painted stuff with a swatch then you have to change that swatch to change them, but if you want everything to stay the same I'd recommend putting everything to the swatch.

The alternative is if you right click on a swatch you can check checkboxes to say what future things you're gonna build that use that swatch.

so if you're about to build water pipes and you have a water color swatch you can check the "pipes" box on the water color so then the pipes you're building will come out that color.

[ebon flare]

Got it

Thank you very much

[frail sleet]

I think you need 140x to unlock the nodes and then 110 more per uploader

[bitter crow]

orbain

i dont like pipes

[ivory river]

any 1 wanna make a new world?
i got 500 hours
i also got a good friend aswell

[left totem]

no definately not

[placid stirrup]

#1201555265942724758
Read #rules

[elfin trellis]

what satisfactory tools for creating factories u do guys?

[left totem]

modeler

[shrewd shore]

is there anywhere where I can find all the latest info we have on the 1.1 update?

[elfin trellis]

modeler what

[left totem]

satisfactory modeler
on steam

[leaden ether]

I see that there is a giant cracked bolder sitting on top of a coal node. So I have to blow it up to remove it? Or put the mining machine above it?

[left totem]

try the latter, if it doesn't work try the former

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah, you can't put a miner down until you have nobelisks. You can put manual miners around the outside of it if you need somet to do research or build a small number of objects

[leaden ether]

I need it to add the last two coal plants to my coal plant. But yeah it seemed like an obvious obstacle I need to take care of 😄

Man, I've only been playing like three days but I am already jonesing for those conveyor meters.

[grizzled lotus]

are long treks a normal part of the game? I just went back and forth between my hub and a SAM mine a few times because I keep forgetting minor things

[median drift]

Yeah

[summer oar]

Yep, I start to try to calculate what I need before I start to minimize how many time I have to go back and forth

[shrewd palm]

you can reduce time spent traveling with hypertubes or using vehicles

[jade apex]

how do yall divvy up ur alumina production? i remember something about using one refinery for waste water only but trying to figure the ratios. am using sloppy alumina ofc

[shrewd palm]

manifolds

[tall lantern]

not for waste water

there's a reason people recommend separating fresh and waste water

[jade apex]

ah yeah the good old 'water manifold' lol, you mean like the priority junctions right? arent those finnicky? i remember it getting backed up in my last save qwq

[golden nexus]

Like this? I make the ingots and then ship the ingots to where the various parts are going to be used where htey are built on demand (often with copper) #screenshots message

[tall lantern]

look at the numbers/the planner, see how much fresh water and waste water you're making, clock two sets of refineries accordingly

the specific ratios depend on the recipes in play

[winged glen]

can also look up some examples on the wiki, look up the pipeline manual, page 14 has some byproduct management stuff

[jade apex]

ah banging using my brain for 30 seconds did the trick lol haha

got so used to just slapping all the things together so easily returning to byproduct stuff esp liquds not so fun

[silent anchor]

I use the default recipy. I loop the byproduct back into the input. Works fine, however you need to make sure it never stops and that the pumps don't pump too much (pumps+ byproduct = needed input).

[reef basin]

separate set of refineries running on fresh water, separate set running on waste water

[jade apex]

yup, at this point ur bestie are smart splitters LOL

[silent anchor]

Can get annoying, though i think it pretty simple in most cases. There's also the option to just sink it, though that may take extra steps and ressources.

[grizzled lotus]

I just built the tractor (which is way cuter than I thought it would be) but it's not moving

[shrewd palm]

you need fuel

solid biofuel is gonna be best until you unlock actual fuel

[grizzled lotus]

ok, I had put fuel in the inventory and didn't notice the special slot

[reef basin]

or coal or anything that can be burned

[grizzled lotus]

is auto-pilot reliable and/or useful?

[shrewd palm]

you use it for automatically transporting items between stations

[reef basin]

yes and yes (assuming you drive the routes well)

[grizzled lotus]

so driving it myself isn't that useful? is it faster than just running

[shrewd palm]

best transport vehicle that isnt a train/drone is a truck

maybe not faster but by far safer

things wont attack you while you're in vehicles

[manic wharf]

whats a good amount of packaged turbofuel per minute to be making to make sure i have enough

[shrewd palm]

and you can also run over the small spitters/hogs/stingers and kill them

[tender raft]

for drones? trucks? etc.

[elfin trellis]

when u autopilot the truck and if there's coal involved - feed the station coal itself = infinite fuel = truck never stops

[manic wharf]

drones sorry

[grizzled lotus]

wonder how much I can do with this. the terrain is so uneven I'm bound to get stuck

[shrewd palm]

they basically self-right

[tender raft]

its hard to know until you start actually setting up your drones, "having enough" depends on how much youre going to use them the distances etc.

[shrewd palm]

i dont think ive ever gotten stuck upside down with a tractor

[manic wharf]

alrighty

[tender raft]

if you want a general range though, id say shoot in the low 100s for a mid amount of drones, if youre really going crazy though you'd want more (but id just go rocket fuel at that point cuz its the GOAT)

[shrewd palm]

they do have a bit of a habit of doing 180s if you land poorly tho

[manic wharf]

yes i think ill take 500 turbofuel a minute from my generators and turn it into rocketfuel

[tender raft]

you can do that OR

theres an argument to completely skip turbofuel in favor of just making nitro rocket fuel once you unlock the recipe out of the fuel youre already making

since the recipe skips turbofuel entirely and only requires sulfur coal and nitrogen gas

so no need to make compacted coal or nitric acid (neither of which are difficult but its a convenience)

[manic wharf]

which recipe is more efficient on sulfur?

nitro/standard

[tender raft]

I believe base recipe of rocket fuel is the most efficient on every input material

but dont quote me on that, since nitro is just a huge convenience recipe

[manic wharf]

alright

[tender raft]

iron is also practically a "free" resource so needing nitric acid > nitrogen gas makes no difference really

i still just recommend nitro rocket fuel though, you will have MORE than enough rocket fuel to power your entire world and dozens of drones with a mid sized plant, the base recipes are more frustrating than anything IMHO

[west geyser]

on trains.. (gna post pic in screenshot) If I have 4 freight wagons and 4 freight stations, do I need an empty platform at the end? or is it fine for the other end of the train to just poke out (they all line up which makes me think it doesnt matter)

[tender raft]

If the freight cars line up youre completely fine

[manic wharf]

ohh alrighty

[tender raft]

Its best to leave space for the entire train though to avoid any deadlocking situations though :)

[shrewd palm]

and put block signals at the beginning/end of each station (front of station to rear freight platform)

[tender raft]

Wrong msg reply?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[shrewd palm]

you need 1 station, empty platforms for any additional engines, freight platforms matching the number of freight cars

[tender raft]

I mean sure but just boils down to "line up your freight cars with freight platforms"

[west geyser]

as I am new, how come I need an empty platform for the other engine? i dnt mind doin it, just not sure if its needed?

[shrewd palm]

oh yeah 1 engine optimally powers 4 cars, if you go above 4 freight cars throw another engine on

you dont really need to but it makes accelerating/braking faster

[tender raft]

U can get away with more than 4 if u make a downhill route :)

[shrewd palm]

if you have more than 1 engine it will take up a freight platform, which you dont want

[grizzled lotus]

this tractor is cool. just curious, but if I want to make steel and coal is far away, isn't it simpler to build a really long belt to where my steel is?

[shrewd palm]

yeah

where are you building?

[grizzled lotus]

I'm in the 2nd biome

[shrewd palm]

ahh