satisfactory

[near crag]

i mean 1.1.0.2

[shell lichen]

?

[worldly thunder]

yh'

otherwise i have things other places?

[digital holly]

Hmmm i am so extremely stuck after completing Phase 3..

[rocky wind]

how 😿

[digital holly]

I have some good production going and automated also all the parts needed for Phase 3. All the product i now need are made, but wide spread accross the whole (First) map, Trucking doesn't seem like an option because of the great variety of needed products, and belting won't also work because of the enormous distances..

So the last (15 / 20 ? ) hours are just spent just killing those enemies, making DNA from them and feeding them into the bin

[rocky wind]

ngl i kinda just belt everything haha, i just have long roads and a few belts underneath and that works for me lol

[jaunty jewel]

use dimensional depot

[shell lichen]

?

[jaunty jewel]

what

[left totem]

Belts work on any distanfe

Also you have trains if needed, they're basically belts that are better but require more investment

[static surge]

yeah trains are better for a long distance

they can transport fluids as well

and you can ride them

I use them to get coal over to my main factory for steel processing

[uncut verge]

what happened to satisfactory calculator? D:

[reef basin]

what happened?

[junior laurel]

SCIM down, 502

[reef basin]

time to use the better tool

[junior laurel]

Yeah, Satisfactory Modeler

Teehee ;3

[hexed phoenix]

Back to pen and papir..

Well that must be what greeny means, regarding a better tool 🙃

[gritty marsh]

pen and paper is great too (I used it a lot before i knew about the calculators)

[rocky wind]

i still prefer chucking everything into a notepad document haha

[gritty marsh]

I mostly do that too lol

[hexed phoenix]

Not saying I have a cabinet of notebooks, with old Satisfactory factory plannings :D

[rocky wind]

just feels a bit more rewarding to me cuz i did the work myself

[indigo osprey]

is there any way to add the mega chainsaw mod on 1.1?

[gritty marsh]

love that

[fringe bridge]

wait for the mod to be updated for 1.1

[junior laurel]

Behold, the ancient schematics

[white dawn]

Better question for #satisfactory-experimental or the modding discord, but afaik: no

[hexed phoenix]

One day, when the kids have to clean the house when i pass.. The Ancient schematics will be sold on whatever version of Ebay we will have then..

[indigo osprey]

ok, i was just assuming scmm was what is broken not the mod itself

[gritty marsh]

just dont use mods, imho the games great without them

[whole ermine]

Can you eliminate plastic from computers

[junior laurel]

FICSITbay 👀

[indigo osprey]

it is good without i just dont like spending an hour cutting down trees early game haha

[fringe bridge]

yes

use crystal computer along with silicon circuit board and standard crystal oscilator

[gritty marsh]

the way im doing it without plastic is crystal computers using the silicon circuit board alt

[fringe bridge]

that removes all oil products

[peak wasp]

I picked molded steel pipes over molded steel beam did I did good?

[gritty marsh]

Idm oil products because i belted like 400 of plastic and rubber to my factory lol

its not much but it gets the jobs done

[fringe bridge]

steel pipes are used in more recipes, steel beams are pretty much only used for building

[static surge]

how do i set power pole mk. 2 as my default, when i build power lines it always default makes mk. 1 poles which is annoying

[fringe bridge]

if you build a power line from a mk 2 pole it makes a mk 2 pole but you cant set it as default

[gritty marsh]

the main recipe that you would end up using steel beams in would be encased steel beams iirc but the encased steel pipes alt is a lot better

[rocky wind]

idk if you can set it as a default but if you build wire off a mk2 power line, the next power pole you built will be mk2 automatically

[static surge]

ok

[golden nexus]

it defaults form the pole you build it... so you plant a mk2 pole and go from it.. or plant one and upgrade it

and yeah there should be a way to set mk2/3 as default

[fringe bridge]

i will probably end up using oil products when i dont need to to make it a bit more efficient because i just built factories to make 5200 plastic and 8100 rubber

[golden nexus]

trains......

[rocky wind]

im not really familiar with using trains to transport stuff across the map, is there a way to see how much you have being delivered per minute, and a way to work out how many trains you need on the line to achieve a certain rate

[gritty marsh]

Im getting ready to start using trains btu only because I dont want to take bauxite 1200 meters by belt rn

[golden nexus]

a simple guide would be 300/min per wagon but really you can et 600/min per wagon for shorter distances

[shrewd palm]

the freight platforms tell you how much items/min are coming through

if you need more just add another train or another platform/station

[golden nexus]

generally they behave like a belt extender... what goes in.. come out the other end or gets stuck in the buffer

[rocky wind]

oki cool thanks, ive kinda been wanting to use trains but ill probably just wait until i feel like automating phase 4, i dont mind belting things over a few thousand metres atm lol

[shrewd palm]

trains are a lot more efficient

also a lot more finicky tho

[golden nexus]

they can do more clever things like pickup multiple things from multipl places and then bring them of course

[rocky wind]

o it might be a good idea for me now with bauxite tbh, cuz im still on mk4, almost mk5 belts, but to be able to transport a lot of bauxite with one train instead of 2/3 belts

[shrewd palm]

thats what im doing

12000 bauxite on 6 trains and 4 belts

[golden nexus]

yeah... you don't need much on fist time bauxite btw.. like 600/min

[gritty marsh]

I just make everything as close to the node as i can and throw the end product in a dimensional depot to build with it

[shrewd palm]

i have no idea what im going to do with all this aluminum so im just sinking half of it until i find a use for it

[golden nexus]

heh.. 600/min baux will make 540*2 ingots for aliminimum or so

[gritty marsh]

I also plan to make use of every node on the map in my final factory so Im also just trying to keep the amount of stuff i build to a minimum rn

[golden nexus]

getting the baux, water and coal/pet coke is where the train comes into play

[golden nexus]

heh... good luck with that

[gritty marsh]

I just build in a decently central area to all of those and used belts lol

[median drift]

so are you like a leprechaun or something?

[golden nexus]

yes

[shrewd palm]

you can build the aluminum factory either on one of the lakes on the red forest or next to the titan forest

[gritty marsh]

im aware its a big project but I enjoy the logistics of it

[shrewd palm]

that way you have more than enough water/bauxite

[median drift]

That explains a lot.

[shrewd palm]

and can just pipe/train over oil

[golden nexus]

yeah as you go into mk3 miners the quantities all double again

[median drift]

That’s what I did, a nice one carriage fluid train transporting crude from the desert canyon.

[shrewd palm]

i kidnapped some oil from the crater lake

still need to rebuild my plastic there tho

[gritty marsh]

thats why Im working on unlocking everything first because i dont want numbers to change

[peak wasp]

Very well then as I actually unlocked steel rotors earlier

[golden nexus]

yeah... 🙂

this is an oil ref in the grass fields... #screenshots message

its kinda useful because you can change oil nodes after you create the setup when you do stuff like that

[manic wharf]

if i have 6000 turbofuel/m how many fuel generators do i need

[golden nexus]

what is 6000/7.5?

[manic wharf]

800

[gritty marsh]

800

[shrewd palm]

have fun!

[manic wharf]

hooray thanks

[tardy valve]

Hi, i binded ESC to a key that i dont have anymore. So i cant open the menu anymore. Is there a way to open it anyway or to reset the keybinds?

[median drift]

I believe in you

[manic wharf]

i will succeed

[gritty marsh]

probably alt + f4 then from the main menu go to settings

if youre in a save probably wait for an auto save

[tardy valve]

Ohhhhh yeah ofc.... So stupid lol...

[manic wharf]

#screenshots heres what it looks like - the gens

[tardy valve]

Also, if i open my Radar tower. It doesnt open a menu... My hud goes away (like it should) but no menu popup.... Known issue?

[gritty marsh]

I have that issue as well

[low relic]

why is it when i break exact 1 valve my game crashes? i can do everything else, just not beak that one valve

[tardy valve]

oof lol

[gritty marsh]

I had a blueprint in .8 that would crash your game when you broke it

[trim sable]

IT'S WARM OUTSIDE!!

[gritty marsh]

whats outside

[low relic]

yeah idk man i just placed it and idk why but no water comes through and when i want to break it my game just decides i must not

[trim sable]

you act like I know

there is only factory

[left totem]

how do you say factory in japanese ?
if you only know that x)

[trim sable]

idk

lol

[left totem]

fair enough

[trim sable]

"hey google"

[left totem]

I know one way to say a machine/factory

機械 (kikai)

[trim sable]

cool!

[left totem]

thanks man ! I'm learning yapanese

[rocky wind]

i dont get why glass foundations require silica but glass walls do 😿

[bitter crow]

someone u helped..? you dont rlly know me

[late tartan]

@wary carbon im sorry but what the fuck is that intersection in screenshots?

[median drift]

‘‘Twas wondering the same thing.

[bitter crow]

yes

[late tartan]

Why does such an intersection even exist?

[median drift]

Dunno

[late tartan]

The biggest intersection i have is a 4 way with 2 lane 2 way rails.

[reef basin]

why do you have 2 rails in one direction?

that doesn't work in SF, you know that?

[late tartan]

2 rails side by side, 2 way

[reef basin]

yeah, trains always pick shortest route

so they will always use the same rail

[late tartan]

🤦‍♂️

[wary carbon]

intersection interchanging 3 [4 rail ways] with an [8 rail way]

[late tartan]

2 lane 2 way as in each rail is one direction

[reef basin]

I was talking about the screenshot

[late tartan]

Oh

[reef basin]

see above, trains will always use the same rail

[wary carbon]

its for throughput not for choices

[reef basin]

it doesn't increase throughput

[late tartan]

Maybe if you have LOTS of trains going through the same intersection then maybe

[wary carbon]

there's a bunch of stations in parallel attached to each exit

[static surge]

whats the downsides of a bidirectional train? Currently that's all I'm using because a circuit is a pain to make

[gritty marsh]

as long as a train station is connected to power any train stations i attach to the tracks from that one have power and i can use them to power machines right? (I really hope this makes sense)

[shrewd palm]

yes

[cyan garnet]

You can’t have two trains share a segment of bidi track at the same time

[late tartan]

Hard to expand with multiple trains

[static surge]

well why would i need multiple

[shrewd palm]

ive been using trains as the power network because im far too lazy to wire everything together

[cyan garnet]

Build two rails in parallel and treat them like one-way roads

[shrewd palm]

more items

[static surge]

ig

[cyan garnet]

If you only ever put one train on the track then bidi is fine

[static surge]

but a single one is enough for one or two freight cars

[late tartan]

Trains coming in from multiple places. I have 5 trains going between 7 different places.

[cyan garnet]

If you build two rails from the start you can make a network that is extensible and high throughput

[sand seal]

when your factory grows its good to have multiple trains

[static surge]

hm

well ok then

[cyan garnet]

My main rail network covers northern forest rocky desert and Gold Coast. Secondary rail network covers the whole swamp just for nuclear power plant

[shrewd palm]

im gonna have at least 2 clusters of train stations and 10+ trains just for this one factory

[static surge]

building two rails going from my oil factory back home is gonna take so long (it's like 3km total and passes thru my Quickwire factory)

[cyan garnet]

Use a blueprint for rail pylons and run both at the same time

[shrewd palm]

would a dimensional depot work instead?

if you already have everything being produced

[sand seal]

in my case Energy (beside from nuclear) is made in a single big building (coal, fuel, bio and a battery farm) so i deliver oil to my fuel plant and that fuel is then delivert to my power plant. but also i have a line for plastik and iron for example. that would be not possible with a bidirectonal rail line

[wary carbon]

there's only so many trains that can fit on a circuit that's why there's 6 in my intersection

[sand seal]

3km ? well just use Blueprints

[reef basin]

if you have throughput issues, you've picked the worst intersection for it

[left totem]

what was it about

[wary carbon]

its just meme material its not the final product lol

im looking into stack interchanges and stuff

[cyan garnet]

@static surge here’s my nuke plant train depot. 6 stations being fed by a single two-lane rail network

#math-and-meta message

[worldly thunder]

what can i do instead of 600 metre pipes?

[frozen cloud]

2 pipes at 300/min

[worldly thunder]

huyh?

[reef basin]

train or drone or truck

[worldly thunder]

im onn stage 4/5 just unlocked train and packager?

[reef basin]

don't need packagers

trains can do fluids

[real wolf]

they can.

oh i read that wrong 😭

[zenith pecan]

Train fluids is one time where the fluid buffers at each end can be quite useful.

[cloud salmon]

instead of one 600m pipe do two 300m pipes and put them end to end

[worldly thunder]

is that a satisfactory comunity joke?

[cloud salmon]

no I just made that up

inspired by zyranex slightly misreading your question

[real wolf]

#screenshots message @high drum PLEASE use straight mode when you're building conveyors

[reef basin]

nah it looks good

I don't like how everyone has all the the conveyors right angles only

[junior laurel]

Embrace the chaos of your belts.
I only use straight mode in very tight places.
Otherwise they are wibbly wobbly all over the place :3

[elder apex]

plus using straight mode uses more resources in most cases, not sure why ADA doesn't complain about that more

[worn crescent]

because using resources isnt wasting them, not using resources is wasting them

[reef basin]

neither is wasting resources since they are infinite

[worn crescent]

so serious

[reef basin]

I'm serious

[junior laurel]

Why so serious?

[real wolf]

#screenshots message that storage place is really needed

[worldly thunder]

can you teach me how to handle trucks? or like make it work it won't right now?

[bitter crow]

i think foundations when i was at the beginning of the game

[reef basin]

no

[worldly thunder]

why?

[reef basin]

because you should learn it yourself through the game

[rich ivy]

where would be the best place for my phase 5 factory

im thinking of having all of it centralized in one area but idk where

[high drum]

idk what that ius

[oblique hound]

bad idea.

[high drum]

fr

[rich ivy]

ok nevermind forget i said anything

👍

[oblique hound]

if you really want to, probably somewhere in gold coast/ dangle spires (IMO)

[rich ivy]

hmm

im already using gold coast for something though

i was thinking of using the red jungle

ive used all the edges of the map, might as well use the center as well

plus theres a pure sam node on that high pillar just outside it, belting it in should be no problem

[oblique hound]

there is an area around 0,0 that has some good stuff, but that is an area you will really want to use for aluminium later

just find something you like

[steady dome]

"Later" vs. "Phase 5 factory" 🤔

[oblique hound]

oh

i read teir 5 💀

[rich ivy]

homie

its ok im tired too

[oblique hound]

nevermind, forget i said anything

[worldly thunder]

thats a bad excuse

[rich ivy]

i didnt know about the alumium thing up there though

[sinful carbon]

how does one use verticality in building

[rich ivy]

that basically cements my desicion of where to put this thing because i wanna use aluminum for my ficsite

[steady dome]

Foundations. Build up

[placid stirrup]

Same advice as in rock climbing: just go up

[reef basin]

that's me trying to help you

[sinful carbon]

ive tried it once and only had a big ugly tower in the middle of the grass fields that could have taken minimal space on the ground

[placid stirrup]

Sometimes if I lock in for too long I get a vertigo-like feeling

[rich ivy]

honestly real

[sinful carbon]

lmao i had the same thing

[rich ivy]

my description for this game is "ive never hated a game i love so much"

[sinful carbon]

but only after i stopped playing

[rich ivy]

oh dw the game up until you unlock coal is GRUELING

once you unlock coal the game gets better

[placid stirrup]

HeadOn! Apply directly to forehead.

[cloud salmon]

verticality is less about doing horizontal things vertically and more about doing multiple horizontal things in paralell

[worldly thunder]

but...

[sinful carbon]

speedrunning coal is the first thing you should do if its not your first playthrough tbh

[steady dome]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?meta[]=tower

[sinful carbon]

holy

[frozen cloud]

eh chainsaw and automated solid biofuel is good enough to make rotors and RIPs first

[sinful carbon]

yea but anything more and it starts to get tedious

you start needing like 10 bioburners and have to constantly supply them which is not fun

[reef basin]

what?

[sinful carbon]

i made it through to coal with 6 burners

[frozen cloud]

idk "speed running coal" sounds like handcrafting the rotors and reinforced plates for them
and that pretty bad

[worldly thunder]

i just have some qwuqstions about it

[sinful carbon]

lol no i meant like just setting everything up as fast as possible

you need the infrastructure for RIPs and rotors anyways to properly set up frames automation and coal

[reef basin]

then ask in #1038092680493801533 with images, and don't ping random person about it

[frozen cloud]

imo its not about speed
thing about biomass burners is that they turn biomass into mj
so making 100 iron plates always takes the same amount of biomass
if you make them twice as fast then it still costs the same amount of leaves/wood, just in a shorter time
the strat is to not stock pile too much since that actually costs biofuel

[cloud salmon]

it's really not bad, one stack of leaves can run 15 burners for like 2 minutes

[summer geyser]

I'm trying to organize my blueprints and feel like I'm missing something how do I move them to a new category, it implies I can drag them but they don't actually move when i'm in edit mode. what am i doing wrong?

[sinful carbon]

keyword 2 minutes

the annoying thing is you have to always run to resupply

[steady dome]

Keyword; One stack of Leaves

[frozen cloud]

click edit then drag and drop then save

[cloud salmon]

yeah if you only take 1 stack of leaves

[steady dome]

Just make it into solid bio though

[cloud salmon]

that's what makes it last 2 minutes

[frozen cloud]

fuck leaves
wood is where its at
its waaaay better and easy to get with the chainsaw

[sinful carbon]

you can make 10 stacks of biofuel and it will only last an hour in 10 burners

running to resupply each hour gets very annoying

[summer geyser]

ya, i've been trying that and nothing happens it doesn't plop in, i'm feeling dumb this should be easy lol

[cloud salmon]

1 stack of wood is 8.33 minutes on 15 burners

just using 15 as the number of burners because that's how many can be fed by 1 constructor

[lime ermine]

You know where it's at? Coal

[frozen cloud]

they are so expensive to build though

[sinful carbon]

bro what

[cloud salmon]

coal is definitely better but I also think people get too stressed out and worked up over maintaining biomass burners

[sinful carbon]

1 bioburner uses 18/min

[lime ermine]

Me who's trying to build nuclear pasta and needs particle accelerators

[oblique hound]

i had an idea for an april fools video where i turned all of the oil on the map into fabric and then fed it into biomass burners

[sinful carbon]

15 burners means 270/min

good luck getting 270 wood per min

[cloud salmon]

200 wood -> 1000 biomass -> 500 solid biofuel -> 125 minutes per burner -> 8.33 minutes per 15 burners

[frozen cloud]

still thinking nerfing fuel generator cost was a huge buff

[lime ermine]

Yeah

[frozen cloud]

BRO THEY DISABLED IT

History

Patch 1.0: No longer a fuel (was 15 MJ)

[sinful carbon]

bruh i see

[oblique hound]

NOOOO

[sinful carbon]

thought you meant straight up wood

[cloud salmon]

yeah I wasn't clear, but I was talking about gathering leaves and wood and sticking it in a factory that feeds it to burners as biofuel

[frozen cloud]

wait so you need 1.4k wood per hour?
thats kinda insane

[sinful carbon]

yea

[oblique hound]

*without sloops

[cloud salmon]

yeah but 15 burners running at 100% is kinda insane for T1/2

[frozen cloud]

true

[sinful carbon]

i mean what i did for supplying 6 burners was gather 2000 leaves and 500 wood each trip and made biofuel

maybe it got so annoying because i should have gathered more per trip

[cloud salmon]

that would be 29 minutes for 15 burners

[golden nexus]

but also you can throw alien protein at the problem

[cloud salmon]

73 minutes for 6

I'm torn on that one, because alien protein is renewable and produces SO MUCH biomass but is so good for coupons early on

[shrewd palm]

i think everything for this alumuminum factory is set up now

did i get it right first try or is it going to break

[golden nexus]

i bet it breaks after 5 mins 😛

[shrewd palm]

hoping it wont

only thing im worried about is the water

[elfin trellis]

is there a mod or a website that can tell me in a pretty graph what exactly is my save doing and how much per minute?

[shrewd palm]

everything went wrong

[golden nexus]

iknow 🙂

[shrewd palm]

i forgot to connect some of the stuff so now 1/4 of my refineries are filled up with scrap

i ran out of belt materials to connect them so spentm like 5 minutes running to get more

[golden nexus]

cause the first time everyone does bauxite it goes wrong lol

[shrewd palm]

and then 2 of my trains collided somehow

[shrewd palm]

this is like my 4th time i think

first couple i had issues with water

3rd time the factory + trains sucked

and now im trying to do 12000 bauxite

[golden nexus]

you just dot hem with 600/min blocks with the easy recipies 😛 #screenshots message

[shrewd palm]

thats what im doing but 1200 instead

i dont know how i lived without mk6 belts before

[reef basin]

we're not chat, this is not twitch

[shrewd palm]

everything is working very smooth rn

except for these 2 trains that are somehow managing to collide

peaking at almsot 1.6mil points/min which is cool

in exchange for alumuminum i have traded half my fps in the area

[vital crane]

how can i play 1.1 ?

[reef basin]

#faq

[vital crane]

and are there consencentes

[shrewd palm]

wont be able to use mods and remember to backup

but i think thats it

[reef basin]

oh wait, it's no longer in #faq

[vital crane]

i read it and it doesent help

yes

[reef basin]

steam -> choose a beta
epic -> separate install

[vital crane]

thx

[vital crane]

choose a beta ??

how ?

im on steam

[golden nexus]

right click -> properties -> beta -> change to expiremental

[frozen cloud]

right click sf
properties
betas
beta participation
select experimental

[vital crane]

right click what ?

ok

[golden nexus]

the game in the tree

[vital crane]

in steam ?

[frozen cloud]

yes

[vital crane]

ok

when can i send ss ??

nvm found it

thx it works

btw when is sf 1.1 going to release?

[shrewd palm]

hopefully soon

[vital crane]

mmhh ok

[golden nexus]

2025 probably

[vital crane]

but days / mounth

[golden nexus]

mouth.. yes it will release in mouths...

[honest zenith]

hello everyone im new to the game, and i ve been trying to figure out how to work with the blueprints ( how to upload them to the save and use them) anyone can help?

[vital crane]

oh ok

[shrewd palm]

once you build what you want in the designer go to the console
you can name blueprint
save blueprint (big orange button)
set directory (will let you choose what folder you want to save it in, useful for when you have a lot of blueprints related to one thing)
after you set directory and choose one, exit and save it
to load blueprints just hit the "load blueprint button"

[junior laurel]

Hasn't "chat" become a 4th person pronoun?

[junior laurel]

I love how discord just doesn't scroll to the bottom, very cool

[frozen cloud]

chat hes cooked

[honest zenith]

thanks for the tip, apreciate it , what about the blueprints on satisfactory calculator, are they easy to use or is everyone just creating new stuff for theirselfes?

[left totem]

no.

[reef basin]

when it's ready

[shrewd palm]

let coffee stain cook

[shrewd palm]

ive never downloaded blueprints from anywhere so i wouldnt be able to say

in general its probably easier just to make your own

[reef basin]

I'd recommend making your own blueprints rather than copying other people's builds

[shrewd palm]

because you can tune them to what you need

[junior laurel]

Copy someone else's code: It works sure
Make your own code: You understand how it works

[honest zenith]

okok but also the game doest give me much to design stuff myself, idk if im missing smt? @shrewd palm @reef basin

[rancid lantern]

Is it normal to use 32 explosives when entering the cave with a lot of spiders

[honest zenith]

i get some foundations and 2 walls and thats it?

[shrewd palm]

just put machines together until you end up producing something you want. blueprints make it easier by allowing you to build large clusters of machines at once, building belt/pipe/train highways (about to be easier with 1.1). the game doesn't tell you how to do anything, you just have to figure it out (big part of why i love this game)

[rancid lantern]

Make that 38 I just found what’s at the end of the cave

[reef basin]

have you built the two most important buildings in the game? (||MAM + awesome shop||)

[frozen cloud]

*you dont understand why it doesnt work

[golden nexus]

yeah you need to unlock it all first

[junior laurel]

"My code doesn't work, why?
My code works... why?"

[frozen ingot]

surely the Hub is the most important building in the game 😆

[honest zenith]

ahhh i get it now

[honest zenith]

yes i did , but i guess i didnt put enough attention to it

[honest zenith]

ah okok thanks a lot

[rancid lantern]

What’s a normal amount of nobelisks to use when entering cave with a lot of spiders

For the first time

[frozen ingot]

nothing normal

[shrewd palm]

all of them + rifle + explosive rebar

[rancid lantern]

Don’t have that

[shrewd palm]

you can never have enough stuff to kill spiders

[frozen ingot]

at least a stack but nobelisks not good for spiders really

[rancid lantern]

I brought 51 and used 40

[shrewd palm]

thats probably normal if you're using regular ones

[golden nexus]

perhaps wrong weapon choice?

[rancid lantern]

No one told me there is huge spider

[frozen ingot]

two stacks next time for you then 😄

[shrewd palm]

nukes/clusters are best for clearing out swarms

[rancid lantern]

It’s rebar gun Zeno bashed or explosives since I don’t think boombox does much to it

[shrewd palm]

boombox is only good for flies

[rancid lantern]

Only good side is first time o found SAM

[golden nexus]

naaa its useful for beaten the enemies which listneing to the best of goat simulator

[frozen ingot]

bladerunners + jetpack makes combat much easier in general, regardless of weapon

[shrewd palm]

deep rock>

[junior laurel]

Did I hear a ROCK AND STONE?!

[shrewd palm]

ROCK AND STONE!

[frozen cloud]

have you considere bringing A FREAKING MACHINE GUN
turns out bringing hoves to a gun fight is a bad idea

[rancid lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

Oh gif no work :(

It was a rock and stone thing

[junior laurel]

Prevents spam and such have you

[median drift]

I DONT EVEN PLAY DEEP ROCK GALACTIC BUT ROCK AND STONE!

[cursive stirrup]

What do trains actually collide with? Is it just other trains/vehicles? Or can they collide with architecture?

[junior laurel]

Each other namely

[median drift]

Well they don’t collide with walls.

Or foundations

[golden nexus]

other trains

[rocky wind]

if i have two assault rifles can i switch between them so i can go through 2 magazines before reloading both of them

[shrewd palm]

yes

[austere valve]

This game is missing train elevators, because nice spirals are too hard

[white dawn]

Train elevator == 1 station at bottom, 1 station at top, conveyor lifts inbetween. :D

[delicate flower]

Question how many railcars per a train?

like is the normal?

[white dawn]

It varies depending on how much stuff you're hauling and what the line looks like (in terms of inclinations, etc)

Most folks end up recommending anywhere from 1:3 to 1:5

Though play around with it yourself and see

[delicate flower]

ok im gonna go with a 1 to 4 ratio

[white dawn]

If you leave a bit of extra room while setting up routes you'd be able to make sure you've got room to add another engine or whatever before "finalizing" things

Keep in mind that cars get heavier when they're more full, and inclination matters a lot. If your trains aren't accelerating as fast as you want, add another engine

[delicate flower]

yeah im just starting to set up a huge refinery building i want all my ore to be processed and shipped from one place

@white dawn they will be full goign downhill and empty going up

[left totem]

conveyor lifts xD

[grizzled lotus]

does the doggo eat nuts?

[white dawn]

Berries

[toxic spruce]

He eats deez nuts

[static surge]

Bruh

[grizzled lotus]

archnophobia mode is actually scarier than normal mode, which is ironic

[frozen cloud]

because its not made to be less scary, its made for people with arachnophobia

[grizzled lotus]

how do alternate recipes work?

[hasty rapids]

They make you tear down entire your factory because theyre more efficient than the recipe youre using

[tall lantern]

they give you alternate ways to make stuff

[hasty rapids]

theres even alternates for more efficient screws of all things

[tall lantern]

there's always some sort of tradeoff vs the default recipes, whether that's the resources, speed, power draw, space, or just locking out other potential recipe chains

though people tend to hyperfocus on resource efficiency (which is still subjective when comparing different resources)

[hasty rapids]

its about comparing your inputs to your Desired outputs in each recipe

[grizzled lotus]

I just found a recipe that turns 5 ingots into 20 screws which feels like a super useful upgrade

[ocean frost]

It is

[grizzled lotus]

but also, how do I apply it? at the constructor it's still the same recipe

[ocean frost]

You open it up and you should see it

[hasty rapids]

its should be next to the original recipe

[peak wasp]

honestly it might be smart to just split up train lines by using station-belt-station modules in the middle of train lines

[ocean frost]

You should see the normal screw and the new one

[peak wasp]

cast screws

[grizzled lotus]

there's nothing, just normal screws

should I be doing something at the MAM?

[frozen cloud]

do you have 2 options?
you need to choose one, only then can you use it

[grizzled lotus]

oh, ok I just realized I have to choose something

so rescanning shuffles the reward, right?

[frozen cloud]

yep

[hasty rapids]

Yeah

[grizzled lotus]

is it pure rng?

[shrewd palm]

only changes it once tho

[frozen cloud]

no you can only unlock recipes that you can already use

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message
a fellow sufferer of fuel gen syndrome I see

[hasty rapids]

if you dont pick a recipe they stay in the hard drive library and cant be picked by the randomiser again

[shrewd palm]

if you hold on to them it removes those 2 recipes from the pool, then you can sort of force the harddrives to give alternates you want

[frozen cloud]

theres still a lot of them so at the start it is pretty rng

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[grizzled lotus]

if I understand correctly, passing up on a recipe makes me lose it forever, right? and "rescanning" just chooses another recipe from the library?

[shrewd palm]

i think he has like 800 or something there

[frozen cloud]

nah you can get it again

[shrewd palm]

not forever

[hasty rapids]

not forever, just until it is picked again when loading another hard drive

[peak wasp]

there’s like a hundred or so alts total

[frozen cloud]

theres also more harddrives than alt recipes so you can get all if you want

[shrewd palm]

800 fuel generators*

[peak wasp]

oh the fuel gens

mine has more than 400

[frozen cloud]

the single line manifold though whats up with that

[peak wasp]

(exactly 401)

[peak wasp]

rocket fuel probably

[shrewd palm]

i think my rocket fuel plant has 728 or something

had to cut off maybe 20 because of pipe stuff tho

[grizzled lotus]

is iron wire worth it? (iron ingot into copper wire) or should I rescan

[frozen cloud]

rocket fuel is one hell of a drug

[grizzled lotus]

or is rescanning just not worth it

[peak wasp]

i slooped a few blenders for that

[shrewd palm]

cant wait until i get ionized fuel

[hasty rapids]

its not bad

[shrewd palm]

then im going to space

[peak wasp]

doubt that it’s worth honestly

[shrewd palm]

iirc it has about the same lift as rocket fuel but lasts for way longer

[peak wasp]

maybe drones/jetpack

[frozen cloud]

kinda personal preference
its nice but uses lots of buidlings so i personally dont like it
there is a pretty nice combination with stiched plates

[peak wasp]

lift? yeah it’s a gas there’s no lift

[shrewd palm]

regardless i have like 10k turbofuel to fall back on so my jetpack is set for a while

[shrewd palm]

sorry was talking about jetpack

[peak wasp]

i burn the excess turbofuel

[peak wasp]

i suck at understanding implications don’t I lmao

[shrewd palm]

nah i wasnt very clear i think

[peak wasp]

np mb

[peak wasp]

all fully OC’d too

that’s 360 for rocket fuel

17 for turbofuel

[shrewd palm]

i need to start making power shards at some point

i think i have like

[peak wasp]

and 24 for fuel

[shrewd palm]

200 in my inventory rn (too lazy to get more)

[peak wasp]

ehh just speedrun your way to t9

[shrewd palm]

already did

[peak wasp]

ah

[frozen cloud]

ye its like biofuel and rocket fuel its crazy
100% worth getting

[peak wasp]

just synthesize them

[shrewd palm]

whole reason i made this excessive aluminum plant was to automate turbo motors lmao

[peak wasp]

man i need to build my plans for a aluminum facility

technically i already have one uploading alclad sheets and casings for building but I need one with much higher throughput for factories

honestly I wish we had drain pipes

[ivory condor]

Its not, ionized fuel is terrible for power, rocket fuel is very good though

[peak wasp]

drains excited photonic matter
LÆMP

[ivory condor]

I made a rocket fuel plant because it's good for power, but don't go ionized fuel, because it's very bad

[shrewd palm]

im still waiting to get something like valves but for conveyors so i dont have to build god awful load balancers

[frozen cloud]

!wikisearch manifold

[dense violet]

you mean something that will break the flow of a system?

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[peak wasp]

me too, mine produces 250~ GW

[dense violet]

and don't make me agree with Zyranex.

[peak wasp]

i need to make some aluminum tbh

[dense violet]

but they are right

[ivory condor]

I went for 8400 rocket fuel a minute, even that amount is pretty cheap

[whole ermine]

Wwhere to report bugs?

[peak wasp]

woah

[ivory condor]

What i like about rocket fuel, you can make tons of and it's inexpensive

[frozen cloud]

what recipes?

[peak wasp]

i only have 3750 pm

[shrewd palm]

just something where i can take like 50 items/min off a belt without building a really weird load balancer

[frozen cloud]

im still not sure between default and nitro

[shrewd palm]

manifold does the same thing ig

[peak wasp]

manifold

[ivory condor]

I forget off hand

[peak wasp]

turbo blend

[dense violet]

it does.
and the way around the issue w/o load balancers and manifolds is to put the right number of parts on your belt in the first place

[peak wasp]

normal rocket presumably

[ocean frost]

Nitro is easy to make

[peak wasp]

hor diluted

[ocean frost]

The other is more efficient I believe

[frozen cloud]

ye
uses coal though

[dense violet]

even load balanced can be simplified if you just design a thing to use an even number of machines or divisible by 2 or 3 to simplify it.

also, don't use valves.

[ocean frost]

What do you think is in compacted coal

[frozen cloud]

you dont use compacted coal you use turbo blend
that doesnt use coal

[peak wasp]

sulfur

[ocean frost]

Lol

[spare bluff]

A lot of coal

[ivory condor]

What makes ionized fuel truly bad is it requires alof of power shard production to make the fuel

That's one the sole ones that makes ionized fuel so truly bad

[peak wasp]

funny to me how in t9 you can literally turn coal into diamonds but you still need sulfur to compact it

[frozen cloud]

new alt recipe? compacted coal from particle accelerator?

[shrewd palm]

im gonna be using dark ion fuel for when i get there

going to have a weapons/utilities factory on the gold coast and there should be more than enough sulphur/coal for it

[peak wasp]

what if you need compacted coal to make diamonds

that sounds like an actual alt

[shrewd palm]

i think you just need regular coal

[peak wasp]

ik

but what if an alt that takes compacted coal

[shrewd palm]

as far as i can see there arent any compacted coal alts

[peak wasp]

at the cost of needing sulfur you get more diamonds per coal

[ivory condor]

What disappoints me most about t9 is there any no viable power options for it

[peak wasp]

well nuclear is in t8

[ivory condor]

All you get from t9 are bad power options that aren't even worth using

[peak wasp]

ficsonium?

[frozen cloud]

it sucks

[ivory condor]

That's bad to

[peak wasp]

oh it’s not worth yeah

[shrewd palm]

you can set up a pretty straightforward rocket fuel plant in a couple days that makes more than enough power for your whole world

[dense violet]

you can boost power by 30% with very little effort

[shrewd palm]

literally just 10 sloops

[dense violet]

and iodized rocket fuel is barely dumber than regular rocket fuel

[peak wasp]

is it a net negative including the plutonium?

the nuclear

[frozen cloud]

no its just expensive af

[shrewd palm]

if you'ew using all the uranium for your nuclear build you'll have like 600GW or something

[frozen cloud]

like its made out of nucelar pasta, wtf

[peak wasp]

been there done that

[dense violet]

'oh nooo, there isn't a baby power source in the highest most complex alien tech tier'

Who would have thought tech gets more complicated

[peak wasp]

it’s just not worth it ig

[frozen cloud]

its not that its complicated
its that its expensive

[peak wasp]

if it gave a crapton of power than yeah it’s good

[shrewd palm]

let it stay this complicated this is too much already

[dense violet]

things also get expensive as we go up the tiers 😛

[peak wasp]

output and results should scale with complexity

[shrewd palm]

if they end of making a dlc i really hope its space or something like with factorio

[ivory condor]

Yeah there is alot about bad it, like ionized fuel, its just to expensive, it's only slightly more viable than ionized fuel-that can actually be net negative with power

[shrewd palm]

then we could make a nuclear plant with 1000GW maybe

[peak wasp]

even a new island is great

[shrewd palm]

we just need more resources

[ivory condor]

Well the end game basically ends with space age

[peak wasp]

idk, what if black hole power

[shrewd palm]

ive never gone that far but it looks like once you start making really big mega projects you have to scrounge for resources and plan your entire world around that one factory

[ivory condor]

But i think Ada is off enjoying space age without us

[peak wasp]

i wish you could wallrun

[shrewd palm]

ada probably secrectly plays factorio or something while we're asleep

[peak wasp]

the devs are confirmed to do that

so close enough

[ivory condor]

She only leaves us a local instance of ada after all, probably to go find more planets to exploit for resources, factory most grow after all

[ocean frost]

Maybe the mercer spheres are just ada from the multiverse

[grizzled adder]

What happens when you reach the 500 MB Steam Cloud limit? Just too bad?

[ocean frost]

Delete something

[grizzled adder]

D:

Why doesnt Satisfactory have more storage though

[wet shoal]

Clouds should only store moisture

[ocean frost]

That's a steam issue

[grizzled adder]

I think devs can ask Valve for more storage

[wet shoal]

Valves regulate moisture

[ocean frost]

You can also ask valve for more storage 😉

[shrewd palm]

checking off things on the checklist is so satisfying

[peak wasp]

valves are buggy though

excluding steam valve their customer support is god tier

[ocean frost]

You might need to look into a VIP instead

[peak wasp]

because GabeN is the one true god

[ocean frost]

Maybe we should ask steam for help with our valve issues

[wet shoal]

Gaben is the last bastion against the final sellout of the gaming industry

Once that man dies it will go to shit, mark my word

[grizzled lotus]

I want to add modular framing to my factory and I'm realizing it requires a lot of arranging 😵‍💫

[subtle palm]

Still no ETA for 1.1?

[dense violet]

#announcements

[ocean frost]

If we spread enough misinformation we might get a date

[dense violet]

thanks 🙂

sad the mapsolver seems really out of date, does look like it find the new mice though?

[frozen cloud]

#satisfactory message

[whole ermine]

how do u place rail signals anywhere

[ocean frost]

You place it on the rail and delete the rail

Or that might have been a bug I haven't done it in a while

[whole ermine]

i cant do that

[dense violet]

isn't it a 1.1 thing?

[whole ermine]

im in 1.1

[dense violet]

#satisfactory-experimental so ask tehre

[rocky wind]

@frozen cloud im kinda curious why you have dont do 600/min pipes in your username, whats wrong with them 😿

[whole ermine]

#screenshots message

i need it in the center

[dense violet]

they don't like taking the time and care to manage them

admittedly you have more leeway for mistakes breaking them into 300s

[whole ermine]

its switching it left and right

[frozen cloud]

mk2 pipes in long manifolds dont do 600/min they do like 550/min

[dense violet]

#satisfactory-experimental there's a whole channel

[dense violet]

only in extreme edge cases.

in all my time helping people there have only been like 2 people who had allll their refineries on one side with low clocking that made manifold loops not manage them

[frozen cloud]

well yeah most of the time, the solution is to use 2 pipes like a loop

[dense violet]

and that's why your name is misleading 😛

[reef basin]

they are not buggy, just pointless

[reef basin]

nothing

[frozen cloud]

dont do unlooped 600/min pipes in long manifolds
was a bit too long

[dense violet]

better than misleading

people still consider looped manifolds to be a 600 pipe

if you flow 600 down the main line

[frozen cloud]

its not though
its 2x 300/min

i mean the connection to it is 600/min yeah

[reef basin]

not really, if it's a vertical loop, it's 600/0

(until the bottom pipe fills up, then it's 0/600 or X/Y)

[frozen cloud]

pretty sure its close to 300/300 once the pipes are full

[reef basin]

I don't think it is, it depends how fluid flows and such

[frozen cloud]

#screenshots message
this is 400/200 for example

"ZyRaNex | DONT DO 600/MIN PIPES — 6/27/2024 13:14
just flushed my pipes a bunch and i always get 400/200
but once it fills it goes around 300 with +- 50"

[rocky wind]

ooh oki, i found out about looping and it solved so many problems i didnt realise i had

should you be looping everything or is there like a minimum amount of outputs you can do before needing to loop

[frozen ingot]

generally best to loop pipe manifolds iirc

[frozen cloud]

like >500

[reef basin]

technically you can do most if not all things without loops, but in general if you just loop everything, you will evade all kinds of issues

[frozen ingot]

i've nevr actually done a proper test/comparison

but greeny has a pinned list of things to do when it comes to pipes and that's one of them, so here i am

[reef basin]

#math-and-meta message

[frozen ingot]

yep! all of that 😄

[rocky wind]

why the no floor hole ?

[reef basin]

that was back pre-1.0 when they were bugged. Feel free to ignore for 1.0

[rocky wind]

ahh okay

what was wrong with them then, because i was using them in my last run a few months ago

[reef basin]

they sometimes completely stopped flow

[shrewd palm]

i think they were bugged to decrease the amount of items coming through or something

[rocky wind]

o yikes

also with the valves, ive never used them but do they have any utility

i just dont really see the point in them at all if youre manifolding stuff

[dense violet]

nothing where there aren't far more reliable options

[dense violet]

restricting amount of fluid is even pointless because that's done by the machines themselves

[rocky wind]

ya thats what i was thinking

i wonder what the devs were thinking when cooking up the valve

[dense violet]

it's a basic pipe concept and they threw it in there to see what people woudl do?

and you can put them into things, there's fairly unreliable uses for them but people like them

[rocky wind]

fair enough

[frozen cloud]

same as when implementing underclocking
completely unnecessary and only there to bait players
come at me

[rocky wind]

i like underclocking 😿

[dense violet]

underclocking has some uses?

[frozen cloud]

you can also like valves

[shrewd palm]

the valve hate here is crazy

[rocky wind]

sometimes its just aesthetic tho, like if i need 9.6 constructors ill just make 10 and underclock one and it has nice symmetry

[dense violet]

at the very least it doesn't force you to overclock anything meaning you aren't locked out by not having shards

[dense violet]

because they deserve it ❤️

[tranquil maple]

lol

[grizzled lotus]

I was going to complain about not finding any SAM or Somersloop, but I finally did just now

and man it was the most dangerous since I've started playing

[rocky wind]

i always find like 5 mercer spheres before i find a somersloop 😿 💔

[grizzled lotus]

this is the 2nd playthrough/map and it was much easier the first time

[reef basin]

it's not really valve hate, it's just... valve has no practical purpose for 99.99% builds

[dense violet]

the hate is more for the people trying to force them into everything

[manic parcel]

I've heard that they still are, and am still too scared to use them lol

Spend so much time dismantinling walls and floors to use a pipe support, connect pipes, then place the wall / floor, and place a decorate wall / floor hole

[dense violet]

the stream of issues people have had with them seems to have left the server. I'd guess they are working now

[shrewd palm]

i dont have any problems with them yet

they're kind of important for my aluminum build and its been running for about 2 hours now without issue

[dense violet]

it used to be nearly daily someone would post something on here and it was a floor hole

[manic parcel]

My very first interaction with pipes used not only a manifold below the inputs, but below a floor, which, you guessed it, used a hole. I had no idea why it wouldn't work

[reef basin]

you can always just clip a pipe through them

[manic parcel]

Yup! that's what I've been doing, just takes longer

a lot of the time when I go thorugh a wall I don't want to conitnue straight, so it's nice to use the hole itself as a snapping point. Otherwise I have to mess around with placing supports where the wall hole would be to connect pipes to initially

Or I guess I could delete and re-place the wall holes once I've connected the pipes, dunno if that works though.

[dense violet]

I'd guess they're fairly safe now. You're just talking to people who have had years of seeing issues with them and they don't trust them xD

[ocean frost]

They do deserve more love than they get.

[reef basin]

they don't deserve to be in the game

[ocean frost]

What we need is a Pipeline Junction splitter and merger

[rocky wind]

bro

[reef basin]

we have those, it's called pipeline junction

[zenith pecan]

Yay, RF is finally online #screenshots message heh, I need to come up with a decent look for the place now its running.

[crimson nymph]

I just had a cool idea. 1.1 added a new muffled sound effect when there's a wall or foundation between you and a loud sound source, like machines or a train.

What if they added a new Ear protection equipment for the head slot (over the ear instead of ear plugs, for cosmetic visibility like the gas mask), which would apply the new muffled effect when near loud machines.

Something like this: #off-topic-media message

[spare heath]

satisfactory

[white dawn]

Sounds like a fun idea; could suggest it at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ so the devs can see it

Probably too late for 1.1, but could make it into a future update

[leaden sage]

I need to build 288 fuel generators tomorrow 😢

[white dawn]

(Maybe have some headphones you can plug into the boombox? :)

(If I had to guess, something like that would be more likely a mod rather than in the vanilla game, but y'never know)

[zenith pecan]

288 isn't so bad, I just onlined 720 😛 #screenshots message

[leaden sage]

that's a lot

[zenith pecan]

Yes that really is 1,189,350Mw (1.1Tw)

[leaden sage]

ofc it's all flat lined as well lol

[zenith pecan]

I had one generator per floor in each tower offline until the rocket fuel filled the system, took about half an hour once the risers were plumbed in.

I need to come up with an architectural style for the place now its running smoothly.

[craggy otter]

I honestly think that'd be nice since then the game's audio wouldn't be as loud

[ocean frost]

you might find this video interesting, i watched it last week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6EuAUjq92k

[crimson nymph]

And like, yes we can use the menus to do this, but it would be more immersive if we could do it via gameplay. It would also add an interesting trade off to choose between the gas mask or Ear Muffs

[crimson nymph]

oh, heck yeah! I've seen that in my recommended videos a few times but haven't gotten to watching it yet.

[grand wasp]

maaan

i really wanna throw the nuts liek a baseball

[flat gazelle]

how long after windows 10 stops being supported and gets discontinued will sf support it?

[dense violet]

who knows?

[sand seal]

You’re joking right? 😅

[manic parcel]

Oh man, power storages are... not great for performance

I've got 20 and my FPS dropped form 120 to 20

And they're behind a wall

[cursive crane]

Putting things behind walls doesnt necessarily improve anything.

[manic parcel]

Yeah I didn't hide them intentionally, I just moved outside to see if it helped. It did not lol

That's a crazy drop though, but it stops like 3 foundations away. Must be particles or something?

[last jackal]

One full industrial container full of packaged funny green liquid. I'm pretty much set for exploration in this save. 😃

[manic parcel]

Oh man, which biome(s) did you desertify?

Hopefully the swamp, they deserve it.

[leaden ether]

Ooof... "Make 50 Smart Plates" Okay... "Oh, now make 1000 more" O.O!

[manic parcel]

Time to ramp up production :D

[last jackal]

Not a lot actually. Just a little bit of the starting green plane, the coal area with the little lake lolol.

It's sometimes shocking how efficient PLBF is made.

[last jackal]

Wait until the next next. Make even more!

[leaden ether]

My little factory took over an hour to make 50, so yeah, at least 5x more throughput

[manic parcel]

Lag just stopped, I looked to see what changed and they are fully charged. Must have been the air going into their vents

Or maybe the signs flashing?

[leaden ether]

Yeah so far the stages seem to be about an order of magnitude in increased throughput. So I guess I'll just expect that 😄

[manic parcel]

Is packaged biofuel more efficient for jetpacks and stuff or soemthing? If you've got packagers why not just automate normal fuel or rocket fuel?

[last jackal]

PLBF has about 3-4 times the burn time as regular PF.

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Jetpack
Probably go read yeah. That should be faster.

Also you can get PLBF faster than you can get PF. It's not a bad idea to have a really slow processing plant either imo as you're going to continuously get leaves and wood during your playthrough anyway.

[manic parcel]

oh cool, I didn't know that

Too bad I like the foliage too much to destroy it though...

Spiders though, I hate those. Guess I could package them up

[last jackal]

It's usually considered the best exploration fuel because of how cheap it is.

It still having the longest burn time out of all the fuels is such a great part of it.

[normal mauve]

I just spent 30 minutes planning exactly 10 heavy modular frames per minute. My brain feels empty now 😂😭😭

[last jackal]

#satisfactory-memes message

[cursive crane]

Are you on experimental?

[manic parcel]

Oh, yeah that might be it lol

[cursive crane]

Report it on the QA site then.

[manic parcel]

Yeah, I'll check to see if it was posted there first though.

[boreal musk]

use #design-and-architecture for discussion, #screenshots is mainly for just sharing

[cursive crane]

This is the way

[rocky wind]

o mb will do

[manic parcel]

Seems like it was, but under different circumstances and quantities of storages. I'd say this is a separate issue.

[silk rose]

Where is that sub efficient pipe image

[leaden ether]

Hmm... so to jumpstart a coal plant, do you need a secondary power source to get the miner and water extracter running first?

[cursive crane]

Maybe looking for the plumbing manual?
Check #welcome , mentions it there

[cursive crane]

You need enough power to start them yes.

[dense violet]

well miners and water extractors need water, so yes

hook up the bioburns and coal gens to their own grid

[dense garnet]

Does crab boss will be added into the game in next updates?

[elfin trellis]

are we having any major updates this year tho? maybe new map or something?

[dense violet]

#announcements

[elfin trellis]

Yea i mean not the 1.1 update but thanks

[dense violet]

any other update would also be in #announcements

there's no 'secret announcements' channel

[elfin trellis]

Yea but my question was are we having it or not, not where to look for it
If there's no info you could've just said "no idea bro" lol

I was sure devs told that 2025 is going to have something big or i'm probably mistaking

[candid radish]

Just spent like 6 hours building a custom designed 32 coal gen setup and realized I built it all with like 2m height missing in pipe area and now the whole layout is ruined 😦 Was the first "Factory" I built myself

[dense violet]

its very likely fixable ❤️

post some images in #design-and-architecture

[candid radish]

I'm gonna try and figure it out first

This game is really rewarding when you get something up and running on your own, I do have a feeling me and liquids will not be friends moving forward though xD.

[dense violet]

coal gens are 'my first fluids' , they are very resilient to pipe nonsense

[boreal musk]

trust me, once you know how fluid works, they are very fun to setup

prob the reason why phase 3 is my favourite, since its centered around oil

[candid radish]

I just realized where the problem lies. I thought it was a lack of water supply from not giving myself a proper amount of space but I think it is actually a lack of water throughput. I think that is the right word I need 720/min but I am running a loop with two 360/min inputs which is leaving me 120/min shy of proper 100% efficiency

I think... lol

[dense violet]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[dense violet]

some simple groupings of coal gens. Very good idea to keep them in 3:8 groups

[candid radish]

Ill send a picture of my setup in ss's if you wanna have a look

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta is prob better.

[candid radish]

It is like that but bigger? Best way for me to describe it lol

[dense violet]

chat and pics

no I get it 🙂

one of the best rules for piping is to ask yourself 'can I make this simpler?'
if the answer is 'yes' ?
probably do that

[jaunty jewel]

the hello world of fluids lol

[ivory igloo]

how long does it take to max every teir cause im curious on how much of my life is going into this game

[jaunty jewel]

depends on play style, speedrun wr is i think between 8 and 10 hours for any%

[ivory igloo]

bruh

10 hours is crazy fast

[jaunty jewel]

an average playthrough is probably 100-250 hours

[ivory igloo]

dang

[silk rose]

Im looking for that irl red hot pipe and mage

[last jackal]

Going around for hard drives are so tedious at times...

[dense violet]

you'll be spending way more just building your own things

[ivory igloo]

true

i like to be neat

[last jackal]

Me asking myself if I want to go the extra mile of going all the way north to the northern oil fields to make that rifle ammo farm...

Shipping black poweder to the west or south east corner of the map doesn't feel so fun...

But hatchers. Having an elegant solution for the icky hatchers...

[jaunty jewel]

and that's why i like the rifle

[last jackal]

I only need like a 10% speed rifle ammo line but it's so much AAAAAAA to bring black power to oil. I had a full rifle ammo + Turbo ammo pre 1.0 at the northern desert area. But It's quite far off atm.

[leaden turret]

4k+ hours and I've still not done that

[mortal ginkgo]

I did the biggest mistake yesterday, I made a factory for ACU

How many storages is 15000 items?

[tall lantern]

depends on the item, do the math

[leaden turret]

press N for Nalculator

[last jackal]

The is a whole x10 difference between stack 50 items and stack 500 items lmao.

[mortal ginkgo]

More locomotives doesn't = speed?!?!?

[tall lantern]

no, it means acceleration

[leaden turret]

autopilot doesn't go to max speed any way

[mortal ginkgo]

i ment for personal use

[last jackal]

Max speed doesn't change regardless.

[peak wasp]

21 hours in and about to start making motors
Atleast factory drippy

[mortal ginkgo]

Why are somersloops so rare..

[leaden turret]

some are sloops, others are mercer spheres

[cosmic axle]

I personally did rifle ammo at the blue crater, it has all required rss relatively close by

[bleak hound]

hello handsome

it's me

even more handsome

[leaden turret]

^ zap brannigan in the morning mirror

[bleak hound]

I come to you today regarding

a desire to state that I ever so wish that I could indeed have experimental released now

woe is me. That is all

[tall lantern]

experimental is already released on experimental

[leaden turret]

beat me to it

[cursive crane]

Just did it. Congrats now you have access.
You can pay me 5 doggos for the convenience

[real wolf]

only 1.4% of steam players have bought a golden nut statue

[last jackal]

The ×% is kinda dumb saying it because it doesn't count those who did it pre-1.0

[red sun]

i doubt many people bought the golden nut before 1.0

[mortal ginkgo]

Finished up my 100 versatile framework/min

[lavish lance]

Is there a way to label belts?
Or can i maybe attack a sign?
Could be usefull when building without havibg the resources wired up

[grizzled lotus]

I can safely convert all animals remains into protien, correct?

[lavish lance]

Yea

[mortal ginkgo]

kinda stupid that you're limited sloops

and mercer spheres but not as importatn

[lavish lance]

I had a bug that dublicated most of them

[tall lantern]

means you actually have to think about where you're using them

[dense violet]

just use more cheats if you want to dupe things

[tall lantern]

shocking, I know

[lavish lance]

I had already collected 90%
New patch droped and then all the ones i had collected respawned.

Wont say no to that

Its not cheating if the game hands me stuff

[ashen belfry]

Don't forget items only stacking to 1x

[mortal ginkgo]

It was?

[mortal ginkgo]

so with each patch they respawn?

[lavish lance]

I dont remember

But there was an anouncement made

You should be able to find it there

Was post 1.0

All mercer spheres also respawned

But not too big of a deal

I did save the game to "secuere" thr respawned items.
I hope they didnt fix it in a way that removes the saved ones

Diddnt play in quite a while.
Waiting for 1.1 to return

[tall lantern]

they won't, you just have to live with the knowledge that you're using more than you're supposed to have

"cheating", if you will

[grizzled lotus]

uh, I have a deathcrate in the middle of those poison thingies. I tried to pick it up quickly but it wouldn't, can I not pick stuff up if I'm taking damage?

[dense violet]

you can.

just hit the take all button

[grizzled lotus]

I clicked take all but it wouldn't pick anything up

[dense violet]

... did you fill up on other things? might have misclicked if not

[grizzled lotus]

never mind I did it

I think I kept clicking in sync with the damage tick so it probably didn't register

[lavish lance]

Its not cheating, i didnt use consonsole, mod or save edit.

Neither did i intentionaly trigger it.

Just started playing and had all the stuff respawn.

[tall lantern]

you always have the option to not use them

[lavish lance]

Nah, if i get handed stuff, ill use it.
Bugged save, yes.
Cheated? No

[tall lantern]

dupe glitch? fine

every considers different things "cheating"

[lavish lance]

I didnt do anything, it just happened.
Cant be cheating if i didnt do anything

[tall lantern]

exploiting unintended behaviour 😛

[lavish lance]

Exploiting is intentional

[tall lantern]

yes, using the extra stuff you got is intentional

having them is not

[lavish lance]

Cant just have it and not use it

That would be moronic

[real wolf]

me and my friend was playing but he has school 😔

[last jackal]

Doesn't change anything about what I said.

[real wolf]

oh yeah right

[real wolf]

in the hell do you need that for

[mortal ginkgo]

Phase 3

[real wolf]

you do not need 100 per min 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

WHERE TF IS THE POWER LINE CONNCETING THIS FACTORA

[mortal ginkgo]

finally found it

[real wolf]

so real

[mortal ginkgo]

it was a fckng train satation

[real wolf]

lmao

[mortal ginkgo]

ouh ouh..

My batteries are discharging.. Bad sign

[real wolf]

yep

[mortal ginkgo]

I hear APA

time to gather items for the APA

[real wolf]

my world with my friend is called: Retard World

we are both such idiots so

both he and i forgot how to make solid biofuel

wait i got a question

does items on the ground despawn?

ok

[dense violet]

and you have a codex with all yoru recipes

[real wolf]

its been like a month since we both played so i had forgotton all keybinds (i have completed the game twice )

[mortal ginkgo]

FUCK

5 PSIERSD

[real wolf]

whats happening

[mortal ginkgo]

5 SPIDERS

[real wolf]

[mortal ginkgo]

logged off lmaio

[real wolf]

small or big?

[mortal ginkgo]

big ass

[real wolf]

oh dear god

[mortal ginkgo]

ez fought 2 spiders without killing em

[real wolf]

lol what 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

WHERE TF IS THE SLOOP

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1361297089694400611+

I searched 80 times

[mortal ginkgo]

I boxed em

I have a question in SCIM we can tp right?
How

for a creative world btw I click on tp there it wont work what I have to do

[real wolf]

what

[mortal ginkgo]

wait I was blind I didn't see the button

still didnÄt work

[ocean frost]

Did you download the save

If you want creative you really need to play with mods

[mortal ginkgo]

I fucking give up

fk ths

WHERE TF https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1361301904017330257

fiund it ez

WHO TF PLACED THESE SLOOPS

[south sinew]

somebody who wanted to make you work to find them

[digital depot]

@lament burrow #screenshots message what MOD did you use to get actually plants bushes and trees?

[median drift]

Do you guys recommend me going for thermal propulsion rockets or pasta first?

Last playthrough I did pasta as the very first part for phase 4, and I just bin fed a manufacturer the stuff for thermal propulsion rockets.

For reference, I want to make 0.5 of both.

[mortal ginkgo]

guys..

I just turned phase 3 and I saw the power consuptions..

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1361314454297645188

How do you guys survive these items..

[zenith pecan]

Build really big when you can.

[boreal musk]

if you ever feel overwhelmed, break down the planner into smaller sections and start from easiest

[zenith pecan]

Also, use signs to note down inputs and consumption within a given group of machines or building, it makes keeping track so much easier in the long run.

[nocturne nebula]

in Epic, how come Exp gets updates but no longer full release version?

[ocean frost]

because full release is stable

[nocturne nebula]

fair to assume if I want the latest features to stick with EXP then?

[dusky spear]

why is my experimental still at 0.8 ? ._.

[nocturne nebula]

same here, lol

[ocean frost]

depends on the features

[tall lantern]

if you like being a guinea pig and are willing to accept instability, crashes, possible save corruption etc in exchange for access to the new shiny stuff, then sure, go Experimental

[nocturne nebula]

always

shiny shinies

[tall lantern]

once CSS are happy that it's all stable enough to be properly released, it'll all go over to the main stable branch

[nocturne nebula]

yup

I had no clue an update was evening coming, lol

so great news for me!

[tall lantern]

you should probably pay attention to #announcements then 😛

[nocturne nebula]

yeah, lol

[mossy moon]

the thing says altitude 111m and i think the map makes sea level 0 (not sure) but prob check above the cave

(i assume you were searching in a cave bcs you mentioned spiders, but if not then ig search in the cave and maybe my asumption of sea level being 0 is wrong)

[reef basin]

it's not

it's on 1.1

[mossy moon]

no, sea level has to be 0 right bcs there are negative height values and it dosent make sense for it not to be sea level. any one else know better?

[white dawn]

Right, the game's sea level is not at 0 (and I believe the sea level isn't even consistent from coast to coast

[mossy moon]

oh ok ig it makes sense bcs the coasts are separated by voids and mountains. but where is 0 height in the world

[white dawn]

@brave widget (re: #screenshots message ) -- Congrats, you've encountered Johnny! Rare spawn, been in the game for awhile but it's not unusual to never run into him

[sinful carbon]

do people actually use anything other than manifold

[mossy moon]

i never seen him

[white dawn]

Some folks like their load balancers (and there are some cases where you might want it for functionality (like balancing radioactive material to minimize ambient radiation, etc))

[brave widget]

@white dawn is he THAT rare??

[mossy moon]

ive never seen him

[white dawn]

1 in a thousand chance on "alpha hog" spawnpoints