arturoj22's suggestion discussion

[proven eagle]

I think it could also be a power abused by plugin creators

to provide a fair view, its important that theres both positive and nagtive comments, some creatores would use this as an opportunity to delete criticisms and therefore, might not provide the people downloading the plugin proper information about the plugin

[livid mural]

but there are many misleading comments as well

my advanced rail plugin had some comments saying that the plugin doesnt work just like the thumbnail picture

[proven eagle]

i mean its a plugin thats hard to do, personally, in these cases, id explain it to them rather than deleting them

[uncut ginkgo]

It would be better having some moderators for deleting comments: giving creators the possibility to decide if they accept comments will make useful information disappear.
It would however be useful having the possibility giving the creator the possibility to add "fixed" to the error reporting comments, or request for additional features (such ass rotation, lights, snow....)

[proven eagle]

again, i think those could easily be resolved by typing a comment

[cinder flax]

I don't think any plugin creator is going to abuse it.

In any case to implement the suggestion the ideal would be to add an input text where u write or select a justify "Reason" for deleting the message.

Where the user of the deleted comment receives a notification (in the notification system in-game where there is already an existing functional code to do it), where it would simply say "Your comment in the plugin X was deleted for reason: Y" where if the reason is not justified, you can rewrite the comment in the same plugin and if it is deleted again without reason you can report to the plugins mods the bad behavior that a plugin creator may have, let's remember that plugins creators have rules to follow regarding the plugin store, and the users too, even though they often do not comply:

In comments it is not allowed:

Sexual content
Violent or repulsive content
Hateful or abusive content
Dangerous content
Promote terrorism
Spam or misleading
Infringes my rights
Bad behavior
Violates other store rules

Where I simply doubt that the current admin team has the capacity to review reports that are often simply false, where it is easier to address reports of bad behavior of a plugin creator.

Unlike a user that is just writing "skibidi toilet" in a plugin comment section.

Btw, let's remember that one of the big problems is people "demanding" things to a plugin creator.

Where there have been cases where it is simply easier to remove the plugin from the plugin store, than to have to deal with meaningless comments.

//Edit: Since even if an answer is given, people do not read and write about the same thing again.

Likewise, the current solution is to simply ignore everyone, since as I said, reports are only attended to when it is really something very repulsive or dangerous.

It is simply to simplify the administrative task (in own plugins obviously).

[gloomy ledge]

Yes, some creators have taken off their plugins due to inappropriate comments

[gloomy ledge]

You can also add promotes terrorism to that

Doesn't help that i can't post images here

But i just checked, theres a comment under one of my plugins which just says "Ukraine not win"

Which promotes a terrorist country and quite offensive not just to me, but to all the fellow ukrainians

[uncut ginkgo]

Any kind of political comments should be avoided.
Finally it's a game and most of us here are happy to find and download beautiful plugins.

[gloomy ledge]

yeah but i've had very much political comments. i recall having gotten one comment with like z o v and all that stuff

[uncut ginkgo]

That was what I meant: "politics" should be added to that list of not allowed comments too.

[gloomy ledge]

yup

[vestal wind]

Political content that is reported is actively removed. comments on political plugins are disabled.

[gloomy ledge]

👍 i'll make sure to report that one comment then

[oblique prawn]

Well, "i dont think" can't be a good argument i believe. There are not good users which will abuse this definitely. Especially for those plugins which you may think about, "why does it even exist" (e.g. roads that causes nukes lol). Just imho. Completely hate this idea.

Maybe something like rating comments, and the comments with rating less than -5 gets hidden.

[gloomy ledge]

actually i do quite like the idea of rating comments, perhaps then you could also choose to sort them by newest/oldest/most upvoted etc.

[cinder flax]

Let's see, that plugin you mention is from an administrator, and it's perfectly described what it does in the description of the plugin.

That you don't like what it does, well, there is already the rating system, but that has nothing to do with the cases that are being commented here.

As I said, anybody is going to delete a comment that says "I don't like it", the comments to be deleted are those that are inappropriate, incoherent or out of place in the plugin section, since a reason must be given to do it.

It's easier to report a plugin creator to have their permissions removed of the plugin store for abusing, than to have to report comments through the current system that only addresses certain cases when they are extremely serious.

The plugin creators already have enough controls from the administration and plugins mods, so, if a plugin gives an error, or it is poorly done it just doesn't be approved to be in the plugin store.

And if it has a bug that affects the game, you can even report it for it to be removed from the plugin store.

About creating a comment rating system, I suppose it will cause more load on the db, I don't know if it's so viable.

[oblique prawn]

Report a plugin creator to have their permission removed.
Well, in that point, I would otherwise suggest to only give popular and verified creators this right. But not for all creators by default.

[proven eagle]

The closest you can do is trusted plugin creator probably, thats the trusted creators

And theres like 20 of them at most currently

[gloomy ledge]

Limit comment deletion to tpc?

They are trusted after all

[proven eagle]

Yep

[uncut ginkgo]

There are plugins that give errors especially in combination with other plugins, don't ask me why it's just a fact. Just look a bit through the comments especially of those plugins with low rating and you will find plugins with lots of error reports.
I am still thinking a few creators will abuse the possibility of deleting comments. Rating comments it's a much better solution, since not only depend of one person.
Alternatively you could give the creator the possibility of having no comments at all to his plugins.

[cinder flax]

If you find an error when using two plugins together, you can report it. Unless it's a plugin outside of the plugin store, in that case there is nothing to do.

I have over 1500 plugins installed and haven't experienced any conflicts between plugins, except for a few issues with Hadestia plugins.

I'm not saying that there aren't plugins with errors in the plugin store, there are, but the vast majority are plugins from before 2023.

Or from people who have installed plugins outside of the plugin store (forum, discord, etc) together with one from the plugin store that could generate a conflict with the IDs.

[uncut ginkgo]

There are errors also on more recent plugins, there are even two plugins of the same creator that cannot be installed at the same time.
And than there are those errors due to rotations, sometimes it's set true when it shouldnt other times frames are in the bad order, that's no major error but well if a plugin said to be rotating it should do the right way.
Some plugins don't have anninfluence where it is supposed to, for example churches without religious influence. It's helpful if a comment indicates that.
Another thing thing I don't think moderators have the time to check the plugin within all OS, a plugin can work fine on an OS and have strange effects on another (mostly in the menubar)
It's also painful watching ads or spending diamonds for a plugin that cannot be used.
Some errors are also the result of an incomplete description and that is just where those comments are useful.

[proven eagle]

Okay sooo what I can currently do for yall is, check the reported comments every week and review them
So if you see a comment you think should be removed, you can report it.
As long as yall dont spam report like 2000 messages a week, you can expect me to review them (maybe every friday) :>

[gloomy ledge]

don't overwork yourself bunny

you already have a lot to do with studies, no?

[proven eagle]

why does everyone talk about that 😭
I swear its only a few minutes. Plus its FUN. Very entertaining to see all the interesting stuff that gets reported. Its also only like 5 minutes of work.
Wouldnt have volunteered if i didnt think i could do it

i did get rid of 4600 ish reports in 3-4 hours so it cant be that bad

[gloomy ledge]

in any case, i'm for the idea that only trusted creators can delete the comments on their plugins

[proven eagle]

same, i talked to lobby about it, hes still thinking ig
but for now, this way is fine

[quaint forge]

It’s more press censorship so i agree

What about a slightly less worse version of press censorship: promoting positive comments

Like on YouTube