FUCKING
#Final Fantasy XIV
bleak sail
idle wren
outside of the obvious mare joke, what am I looking at here
tacit sphinx
theres no 100% hq macro for EX+ crafting right?
slim marlin
Not atm
There's some that get close with the relic but it's not a sure thing
Reflect
Innovation
Prudent Touch
Basic Touch
Standard Touch
Advanced Touch
Innovation
Basic Touch
Standard Touch
Advanced Touch
Immaculate Mend
Innovation
Material Miracle
Basic Touch
Standard Touch
Advanced Touch
Prudent Touch
Innovation
Basic Touch
Basic Touch
Standard Touch
Advanced Touch
Immaculate Mend
Innovation
Prudent Touch
Observe
Advanced Touch
Great Strides
Quick Innovation
Byregot's Blessing
Basic Synthesis
Trained Perfection
Veneration
Groundwork
Groundwork
Groundwork
Heart and Soul
Intensive Synthesis
Is what I use for the weather missions
worldly swan
What missions are you doing to get a lot of points? the EX+?
paper flower
What missions are you doing to get a lot of points? the EX+?
yeah, the timed EX+ and the weather ones, insane amount of points + tokens to trade for mounts to sell
tacit sphinx
crafting ex+ is still kinda too unstable
gathering ex+ is much ezier
if u r going for tokens
paper flower
yeah gathering i meant
crafting you cant macro them and take too long
give more points yeah, 1.6k each but yeah
slim marlin
Crafting can be valuable but man you are relying on that relic passive hard to get good scores.
paper flower
something like that is how i managed somehow to make the hardest craft in 7.2
worldly swan
specialist soul? or no soul?
slim marlin
That’s specialist. Has quick innovation too
slim marlin
Specialist is great, it’s just a goddamn shame that it actually exists at all.
Why are they limited? Why do I have to pay to change? Why can I only change a limited amount each week? Why do I need consumables with these restrictions in place and why are the consumables so available that the cost doesn’t even really exist?
woven oasis
Why are they limited? Why do I have to pay to change? Why can I only change a li...
because yoship forgot about it
wind jackal
are...are you ok ? 
wind jackal
did you track your farming hours ?
paper flower
i did crafters in 7.2
from when moon came out till 3 days before occult came out
12-14 hours, because i know i was getting 150k a day
and then doing some red alerts as fisher because that was before gatherer changes
i got fisher to 200k more or less
and when 7.3 came out i got botanist to 120k and miner to 20k thanks to gatherer changes
and then phaenna came out and i pushed the gatherers for a week
only stopping to do the daily rous for relic
idle wren
Ah did the top finally receive the graphical upgrade / new textures treatment?
crimson niche
idk , it felt so bad even after 'upgrade'
idle wren
I think the textures pop more but still room for improvement. But if you compare the top, particularly the blue part, to the bottoms the difference is noticeable imo. Much less pixelation comparatively.
Gear graphical upgrades have been hit or miss for me generally though. It seems to be more noticeable on some pieces than others. At least when last I played.
golden garnet
it's "good for ff14"
meaning
i look at it and think "huh i guess its not THAT bad"
fringe ginkgo
fast cedar
Final Fantasy 14™️
paper flower
if any of you need gathering tools for your retainers AND youve done the relics, you can give the current relic to the retainer, go to phaenna, and they will give you a new one, so you can powerlevel their ilvl
rancid iron
I mean that's always been a thing
Handing your relics to your retainers when you're done with them
Its just no one does it cuz the stats don't matter as much as the actual ilevel for the retainer
So better to just grab random cheaper gear that's close to or at the same ilevel
Like I'm willing to bet you like myself haven't heard anyone willingly go "I'ma do the relic so I can give it to my retainer"
Like that's insanity
slim marlin
Yeah, but the moon relics are turbo free.
idle wren
Maybe they're trying to appease both audiences by making combat relics grindy and those relics free 😂
paper flower
yeah 45 days just passed in EU since it got turned back on
idle wren
Gave up my plot on Jenova a while back too
wind jackal
Gave up my plot on Jenova a while back too
what happens with your placed/stored furniture ?
idle wren
what happens with your placed/stored furniture ?
Haven't logged in to find out. But gets deleted iirc.
Could be wrong about that though. Not 100%
wind jackal
Haven't logged in to find out. But gets deleted iirc.
that sounds like a very stupid design choice
they just gonna delete your potentially storebought decorations ?
woven oasis
When your house in Final Fantasy XIV is demolished, your indoor and outdoor furnishings are placed with the Resident Caretaker NPC in the same housing area for 35 days. You must collect these items, along with 80% of the gil you spent on the plot, within this 35-day window or they will be permanently deleted. Items inside aquariums, flowerpots, or picture frames, as well as used food, are permanently lost during demolition.
idle wren
So I was like 75% right lol. The whole housing system is a colossally stupid design though, so it shouldn't be surprising lol.
Forgot that they even sell housing stuff though.
next mica
Old event furniture gets added to shop
idle wren
They do the same with old event glam so that makes sense.
Just never bought housing stuff myself, so I forget that it is on there
slim marlin
frosty ginkgo
Probably too late by i finally cleared M8S
slim marlin
The only time it’s “too late” is when 14 goes EOS
rancid iron
Not wrong
tranquil nexus
https://i.imgur.com/3mw8k4F.png Sung to the tune of Shadowbringers
woven oasis
||this looks like moogle with a huge ass bend over. ||Now you can't unsee it either.
idle wren
Didn't even have to unspoiler. I've seen that before.
woven oasis
It's dead, Jim
viscid pike
Yeah I just got kicked from it lol
paper flower
everyone did xD
woven oasis
idle wren
Precisely. See, Keld gets it.
rancid iron
XIV players are never happy
XIV players also hate playing the game
Its why so many want CT only
idle wren
Eh, CT is a question of values. It's do you want efficiency or variety that is often very inefficient. The answer will vary by what the individual values more.
And for a ~40 minute roulette it was my experience that more valued efficiency than the alternative.
rancid iron
Yeah which is lame as hell
eternal harness
tranquil nexus
Lala 
reef flame
monkaS
viscid pike
sterile moss
@fierce snow I need to see you with the black mage hammer
Maybe update pfp with it over the staff 
fierce snow
The gaia one?
earnest zealot
prob the arkveld
sterile moss
Delaware if u wanna find it on usa map for wplace
earnest zealot
bought sth for myself
sterile moss
wind jackal
an investment into eternal happiness
woven oasis
so how much moneys did you lose for that? I spent like 30 mil for mine a week ago 
next mica
I should go buy a couple on jp
woven oasis
lets goooo
tranquil nexus
idle wren
https://x.com/MogTalkTweets/status/1975282942713995386?t=HTOwK-BDDWJQbDSML45HEA&...
What race is happening?
tranquil nexus
the deep dungeon, and the new 'quantum' difficulty
quantum is the final boss of the whole 100 floors, but with a 'build your own ultimate' kind of thing, where more offerings make it more difficult in different ways
viscid pike
They have an enrage? Lmao
rancid iron
Its a superboss fate ye
viscid pike
well yeah I know it is the superboss. Bit didn't knew they had an actual enrage haha
silver wharf
super duper boss
earnest zealot
slim marlin
Why are we here? Just to suffer?
woven oasis
But why?
earnest zealot
Arkveld EX is fun
earnest zealot
very fun, chaotic af
tranquil nexus
well yeah I know it is the superboss. Bit didn't knew they had an actual enrage ...
that particular one does
when you hit 15%, he goes to the center of the arena, summons three adds and becomes invincible
you then have two m inutes to burn the adds and him down
sterile moss
tranquil nexus
F, caused a wipe on floor 57 via luring trap
dusk mesa
earnest zealot
ez
fierce snow
Using this as my only knowledge of wow housing
Lmfao they copied it then improved it
And i dont mean that in a bad way
Good shit wow
paper flower
as a ex wow player that hold the line from vanilla to shadowlands, dont trust blizzard xDDD
like, everything looks all beautiful at the start, but then they turn it into rot
rancid iron
TBF that used to be blizzard's shtick they'd steal something and put out an improved version of that thing
idle wren
Now that's Riot's thing
rancid iron
Skill issue
paper flower
wallet diff
idle wren
With subs falling off a cliff they've gotta make that money somehow
rancid iron
Nah whaddya talkin about? XIV's never been better
See its doing so well in fact even quantum 40 doesn't need good rewards
idle wren
Oh you mean good rewards like the new glam they just put on the cash shop? Asking players to pay additional ad-hoc fees for interesting rewards instead of getting them from content in the game you already pay a sub to play has never happened before.
rancid iron
Honestly the timing's shit but TBH most of this shit wouldn't be relevant to the content XIV puts out
But I mean just rewards at all
Weapons
Armour
Hell a fucking mount
woven oasis
crimson niche
i forgot what asmon call limsa
fierce snow
ligma lomasa
crimson niche
ff14 is a kids game but
yet kids cant afford to pay for it and the other side of ff14 is so 21+
it doesnt align at all LMAO
i will finally go sort out my stuffs
rancid iron
it doesnt align at all LMAO
You can thank legality for that
reef flame
https://x.com/TiffanyMayCry/status/1977179581233729740?t=dTsmsH56X1QZ_9XeFbGSHQ&...
imagine 13y kids not making ligma jokes
rancid iron
Hell if this was still the late 2000s and even early 2010s ligma jokes would be on the low bar for the type of shit I'd expect to hear
Playing a CoD lobby and hearing people yell and shit in 160P
crimson niche
i was like ... damn... i need a new drk weapon glam
all the ultimate weapon looks shitty
and then i remember this
dusk mesa
what's intended vs what actually occurs is vs how it should be is truly a moment of all time
wind jackal
there are scary people out there
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389989004354523216/1426986207438573598/awzr3yrelnuf1.png?ex=68ed37f7&is=68ebe677&hm=3e78cfa0d67caa1f32df67699e80519aa3cc87c546dc90414c80bf5a109b715e&
dusk mesa
I wont deny that, but this player aint scary
woven oasis
Can't believe they spent yearly income from FFXIV subs to make a grill animation
rancid iron
The mixing on that is fucked
woven oasis
uhhhh
why does she even have this theme? it doesn't make sense, it's a Ryne's theme first and foremost
rancid iron
Because its either this one or E12
And do you really think they're gonna use ultimecia's theme for gaia?
grizzled nova
whoa FFIV I new to this game 
fast cedar
I hate myself
woven oasis
the boys are back in town~
woven oasis
This is hilarious 
heavy meteor
reef flame
LMFAO
so it seems ff14 is doing some new player stuff with a bunch of creators
i saw happy guiding some people i didn`t know some days ago
but now i`m seeing osrs people playing it
and preach is guiding them
KEKW
idle wren
Yeah I think they're trying to drum up more interest in it again. Who are the osrs personalities?
rancid iron
I guess we're that desperate to prop the player count now huh
woven oasis
i mean, other games do that all the time
FF i didn't see do this much
i doubt it's "desperation" or something, game is in ok state imo
idle wren
Game is very much so not in an okay state. That's even been publicly acknowledged by yoshi-p
That's part of why they're doing these extended collabs where a vet teaches new players over a month (iirc)
To try and drum up new interest and new players.
woven oasis
i personally enjoy the game as much as ever, not too crazy about it and don't think it's boring and dead. Yoshi-P may say all he wants, but if the game actually was in the bad state, we would see radical changes to everything right now, because they literally won't change anything while the game does what it was made to do - making money
but that's just my opinion, of course
as someone said once, "Yoshi-P found the best position to fuck his wife and refuses to change it for 8 years because he might upset her" or something like that
idle wren
Seeing "radical changes to everything right now" is the least SE thing that SE could possibly do.
While I expect changes to be on the way, and time will tell on that front, we all know SE moves at a snails pace.
It's been covered multiple times times how they're in a bad state right now though. By yoshi-p himself and by, iirc, and individual investor who is on SEs board.
woven oasis
Seeing "radical changes to everything right now" is the least SE thing that SE c...
Actually not true. What i was trying to say is that SE won't let Yoshi-P do any radical changes while the game is doing it's job for the company
so if the game was in dire state, they would instead force Yoshi-P to make changes
idle wren
And I'm telling you that is historically not how SE operates as a company. But I've got a meeting, so must dip from this conversation.
woven oasis
maybe you're right idk
but FFXIV was the only thing that was keeping SE afloat for many years now
the last thing they would want is to lose it as a source of income
idle wren
Hence things like the new streamer focused recruitment campaigns.
rancid iron
I think tictac you're confusing what you lke with the reality of the situation, XIV has basically been left to its own devices or left to the mercy of the engine XIV's built on, remember 1.0? It took the ENTIRE company about to disappear forever for XIV 1.0 to become ARR.
TBH XIV players have more final say on XIV choices then the suits do
woven oasis
Woah the monocle on top of these glasses fits so well
fierce snow
ENHANCE
heavy meteor
wind jackal
slim marlin
rancid iron
idle wren
That tint looks pretty nice
woven oasis
SE needs to add more expressions in /gpose...We get so many new emotes, but no new facial expressions 
slim marlin
They’ll add them to the mogstation for 2.99 each. Please look forward to it
wind jackal
gpose+ subscription for additional 4.99 a month
idle wren
Imagine if they let you pay for glam pieces to be unlocked across all jobs
That sub number falling would suddenly no longer be a problem
slim marlin
Imagine if they let you pay for glam pieces to be unlocked across all jobs
First thing, no questions asked.
rancid iron
^
or maybe sub-plates
So that way outfit can be the same but different weapons for that outfit
reef flame
you know
this all reminds me of swotor
like creating problems and then solve it with a premium sub
they could easily make 100 glam plates and charge for it
woven oasis
they also have some of the coolest gear designs in the game bound to crafters and gatherers, which is so unbelievably stupid
rancid iron
meanwhile I can count on one hand how many different ACTUAL heavy/plate armour sets for healer
woven oasis
sterile moss
All saints wake ends in 4 ish days
You shud do it if you havent
Dis includes you too strummer 
idle wren
Strummer on vacation though
rancid iron
Strummer also hasn't been in the XIV channel for months
paper flower
NO FUCKING WAY
tranquil nexus
paper flower
DAWNTRAIL BEST EXPANSION EVER
paper flower
First thing, no questions asked.
welp
paper flower
Imagine if they let you pay for glam pieces to be unlocked across all jobs
welp xD
woven oasis
We're so back
slim marlin
fierce snow
https://i.imgur.com/Kzagpct.jpeg
THE ONE
FUCKING
BLACKSMITH TOP IS FREE
FROM BLACKSMITH JAIL
I MIGHT STOP BEING A LALA JUST CAUSE OF THIS HOLY SHIT
I CAN PUT THIS ON MY MONK GLAM
slim marlin
I like how with like four different discords, everyone wants the blacksmith top free
slim marlin
Hivemind behavior
rancid iron
I know you guys are talking up top about it but it would've felt weird posting the gif without the context
If that makes sense
BUT YEAH
HEAVY ARMOUR HEALER
ABOUT FUCKIN TIME 
heavy meteor
I MIGHT STOP BEING A LALA JUST CAUSE OF THIS HOLY SHIT
fierce snow
IM SORRY GLORP
BUT THE BSM TOP
SO FKING GOOD
IM ABOUT TO BECOME ERZA FKING SCARLET
woven oasis
Someone invite strummer back here wooo
tranquil nexus
This is deadass getting my friernd to start playing the game again
woven oasis
If they shown so much in part 1, what is part 2 gonna be holy shit
tranquil nexus
actual gameplay
heavy meteor
BUT THE BSM TOP
tranquil nexus
so question
does that dye match that hat close enough?
or do you think this one looks better?
woven oasis
Damn that's really difficult level of spot the difference
Oh i was looking at the hat lol
I think first one looks better
rancid iron
1st one matches better
HOWEVER
Check with actual native lighting not the shit in the preview
rancid iron
Ya know what's funny? This is gonna make the replica outfits completely obsolete
tranquil nexus
the replica AF gear?
tranquil nexus
I doubt it, I think those are higher rez
rancid iron
Sky pirate replica etc
tranquil nexus
... oh shit you're right 
rancid iron
heheheh
rancid iron
I personally prefer 2 BUT 1 matches more
tranquil nexus
like I said, we are so fucking back
woven oasis
Sky pirate replica etc
They already cost nothing
So not a big deal
90 hours of testing sounds like nightmare
rancid iron
TFW Vaan was an actual character in Dissidia more then his debut game
Oh and he trolled the shit out of Kefka
tranquil nexus
kek
woven oasis
Vaan is good imo
he's just not as good as other characters in XII
everyone has some depth and story and Vaan with Penelo are like "oonga boonga we goof and steal"
woven oasis
no, he's the protagonist till the end
i think i've seen some article that Basch was supposed to be the protagonist
but they added Vaan so young players would have someone to "relate to"
Basch honestly feels like he was supposed to be a protagonist since the very prologue
rancid iron
That's not what I mean I know he's there but I remember him literally not having any more lines past a certain point
and yeah I remember that story too
Which I don't know about you but I don't come to an FF for a relatable nothing-burger
woven oasis
yeah, at some point in the game (i'd say after saving Penelo and Ashe) the game focused more on other aspects
like finding the relics of Ashe's husband, finding truth about Basch's brother and betrayal, Balthier's father and Fran's hidden village problems
and Vaan and Penelo are like
"yeah we just here"
i think that the story itself is at least one of the best stories in at least FF franchise, if not at all for me
but Vaan and Penelo definitely lacking as main characters
rancid iron
Oh yeah honestly same
woven oasis
tbh i kinda felt the same for Lightning in 13
although she's not as bad as Vaan's case
they did 3 games with her and they still couldn't give her enough personality to be anything more than "fem Cloud"
(and i think Cloud was more deep than she was tbh)
rancid iron
Yeah but that's like saying a puddle has more depth then the sidewalk
woven oasis
rancid iron
Both are hella shallow
woven oasis
Cloud was ok
especially after the "braindead" part
when they explained why he was like that
rancid iron
Cloud annoys the ever living shit out of me
woven oasis
Cloud annoys the ever living shit out of me
yeah, that's what he supposed to do in the biggest part of the story
because his psyche is a jumbled mess of real and fictional memories
and he's mentally 16 years old
rancid iron
Oh I know he's mentally damaged like I get it
But he's still a gtfo my screen character
||Zack died for this mopey, whiney bitch to be MC 🤢 ||
woven oasis
i mean, he becomes more confident later
when he returns to his old self and starts working on himself
i'd say that if you annoyed by him, then writer did a great job, because that's what he supposed to do for the most part in the story
rancid iron
Cloud's a lot like XIV, if the selling point is "it'll get better later on, trust." that's a terrible selling point
woven oasis
idk, i think he's fine
i hate Squall much more
literal emo boy who couldn't be honest with himself until someone he liked became braindead
rancid iron
Okay if I walk up to you poke in the arm repeatedly
and you get annoyed
Great my goal is achieved
That don't make it any less annoying
woven oasis
There's fiction and there's reality
imo annoying things and annoying character in fiction can be great if writing overall is good
in reality of course you would get annoyed if someone was behaving like Cloud in the first part of the story and wouldn't want to deal with them at all
rancid iron
Like I would hate him waaaay less if he cracked a joke
Its why KH Cloud is honestly the only one I like
idle wren
Basch honestly *feels* like he was supposed to be a protagonist since the very p...
I am THE Basch fon Ronsenburg! Don't listen to Ondore's lies!
woven oasis
Like I would hate him waaaay less if he cracked a joke
that's the thing, he does crack jokes when he becomes his old self
he becomes this cringy teenager he mentally is
KH Cloud is just a Squall reskin
rancid iron
Emphasis on "old self" as in I still gotta suffer the early game to get to it
rancid iron
ehhhh I guess in the most literal sense it is
That doesn't make it good tho
Wait how did we even get here hol up
OH RIGHT Vaan
That's poetic
I forgot about him
One thing I wish more games had was a variation on the gambit system
stares at HSR
Like a "if this happens then do this" auto-command
Makes farming waaaay more tolerable
austere hedge
happy halloween
woven oasis
paper flower
EHEM
COUGH COUGH
HALLOWEEN EVENT ENDING REMINDER
someone do a @ here i dont wanna get banned
idle wren
What do you even get from the event this time?
fierce snow
Iirc a mount
slim marlin
You know the mandragora mount series? With the onion, tomato, garlic dudes? You get a pumpkin one.
worldly swan
Apparently WoW just.... paywalled their housing system
idk...
Just read they are thinking on adding a new premium currency for housing items
If that's true... what an epic way of shooting yourself in the foot for one of the best things you just announced
woven oasis
Apparently WoW just.... paywalled their housing system
...BuT ITs sO muCh BEtTeR tHaN ffXiV
worldly swan
again... I just read about it... this is all "alleged" info and what ppl is speculating
idle wren
I mean instanced housing is unequivocally better than XIV. Though the paywall is certainly a strong detractor if true.
XIV does housing among the worst possible ways it could do it so only a fraction of the playerbase can even participate. That sets a pretty low bar lol.
worldly swan
We know the biggest flaw on XIV is the fact that not everyone can get a house... but I mean... to achieve what some ppl can do with their houses in XIV is amazing
The main thing here is.... WoW did this housing thing that ppl had been asking for since Cataclysm or WoD... and they got everyone hyped up just to, allegedly, neck all the hype by making the housing aspect a "premium currency" based one
I critique and complain about the XIV store... but I'm well glad that we don't have any premium currencies along side it
next mica
People are paying digital rent so they don’t lose their house so it’s kinda even?
slim marlin
Maximum pockets
slim marlin
Well you see I'm just very good at photshop since these pieces aren't available together yet 🙂
worldly swan
People are paying digital rent so they don’t lose their house so it’s kinda even...
If WoW was a non sub game... Yes, but it ain't like that
Yeah, there you don't lose your house after a period of inactivity
But the "digital rent" part is pretty much the same
worldly swan
In other news, my gf got me this for my birthday
slim marlin
paper flower
oh i knew the method, i just wanted to know which pieces they were 
next mica
Yeah, there you don't lose your house after a period of inactivity
I think that's the biggest difference, I have multiple friends that only logged in once a month ish to keep their house while still paying rent. In wow you can just unsub and not worry
I'm currently subbed because I have LB 41 and Mist 35, I probably would not be subbed if I didn't have those
worldly swan
Oh yeah, no... For sure
But like... If the premium currency thing is real, that seems to be a bigger deal breaker than the rent on XIV
Based on the forums and stuff
next mica
Will depend a lot on the monetization + how easy it will be to get good looking furniture in game/crafted
The $90 mount sold like hotcakes so idk
rancid iron
idle wren
That's a well framed shot
rancid iron
Thank
idle wren
I paid digital rent for a little while. But then I decided I didn't care about the game enough anymore and accepted that their housing system is pretty intentionally complete ass.
rancid iron
We are getting Time Lord housing soon tho so maybe it'll suck less
idle wren
Which isn't to say that other games housing systems aren't also complete ass.
Whats time lord
rancid iron
Tardis housing the thing they're adding that'll allow for adjustable interior sizes
Its a Doctor Who ref
idle wren
Oh didn't know that was the name for that
idle wren
Ah, I see.
I mean that's a really cool feature, genuinely. But it doesn't help the vast majority of players who don't already have a house.
rancid iron
Just use island sanctuary 
woven oasis
i mean, we have dorms
it's just that they all small
if they make bigger ones, nobody will complain
woven oasis
give them a small gardening spot inside the house idk
rancid iron
See I'm not 100% sure this time around if it was that
Cuz island sanc's in the game
Even a WAAAAY smaller item limit like 50 or something would do a lot to alleviate some people's issues
But they've just refused to do that
Straight up said no
Like at this point it wouldn't surprise me so I'm not gonna dismiss outta hand but ehhh
idle wren
hardware limitations and all that
Such a cop out by them tbh
There's actually no reason not to do instanced housing other than that not doing it keeps some people subbed even when they're not playing because of how difficult a house is to get due to scarcity. And money is the only reason they really need. Even if it is a shitty practice.
And I won't buy hardware limitations there either. Your game has been publicly known to be carrying your company on its back. You can afford to scale horizontally.
woven oasis
I'm thinking it's more about their shitty code and not actual hardware.
Like, they can't change how glamour system works because if they do it breaks something else
so it might be the case here too
that's primarily the reason why they take so damn long to implement simple QoL features, because they have to fucking test everything to be sure the game still functions correctly
https://youtu.be/6lEYoB9sC-U?si=l_JKG0WCQhajXNwd
Youtube recommended never ceases to amaze me with its great timing
Bro how the fuck does a random tree out of bounds trigger a teleport sequence?
wide falcon
rancid iron
Bro how the fuck does a random tree out of bounds trigger a teleport sequence? <...
So this one I can kind of explain see when you enter a duty the game marks your spot outside so when you come back the game tries to put you back there but because something is in the way (in this case a wall or a tree's hitbox) it does the next best thing it can do and defaults to the previous respawn co-ordinates since Eulmore is really fucking high up its using those same exact co-ordinates to prevent you from getting stuck in another things hitbox
woven oasis
woven oasis
Hmmm, Haps teaching some new players (other streamers) something (i think it's PotD?) today in FFXIV. SE really must believe in 7.4 to sponsor stuff likr this.
woven oasis
slim marlin
sterile moss
I have a feeling
Yan will be a monster in a future deep dungeon
Just because of how polific the memes were from this expansion
fierce snow
yan room
fierce snow
Can viera's wear witch hats yet?
paper flower
yeah
rancid iron
https://x.com/Bigmoranx/status/1983276985989443730
wow its almost as lame as healer in XIV
woven oasis
pale elm
I need to do the fall guys stuff finally lol
paper flower
reef flame
so
this video is a giga ad for sure, BUT
there are cool things
interesting
ahm.. there's endwalker stuff in the video, idk if exists someone in this channel that is still at risk of spoilers
woven oasis
fierce snow
how has this gotten worse since i left
bruh
dc'd two times now and i barely played
idle wren
Actually happened to me last weekend too. First time I've subbed in months and got dc'd within a couple of hours.
I'm only playing 2 or 3 hours a week to do some deep dungeon with an fc mate
slim marlin
There’s also been DDOS waves going on all week
rancid iron
Actual microdick energy
They could take down garbage sites but no they DDOS XIV
cuz "hurr hurr funnee"
nocturne frost
and it's always when there's content lull. my tinfoil theory is that it's someone who actually plays the game and is mad that there's no content.
fierce snow
well
idle wren
Have the ddos attacks never ended? I feel like it's been legitimately a year or two now that that's been going on?
fierce snow
they fired alot of staff so
maybe now they can afford network security ppl
and ddos protection
well
rip my DD run with a friend
rancid iron
You think they're gonna reinvest in something that's not garbage? Oh you're funny
They don't reinvest in XIV like they should be doing as is
Give my man more support SE gahdammit
pale elm
But.... FF16-2 
reef flame
maybe now they can afford network security ppl
they fired to replace them with ai to debug and QA
idle wren
But.... FF16-2 <:SusgeBusiness:974401444813873222>
Honestly I'd buy FF16-2
fierce snow
i think im ready to crashout
another dc
WHILE IM IN DD
and my run is cooked
again
next time doing it in OCE
paper flower
weirdly enough the waves of DDOS started after the live letter
woven oasis
i don't want FF16-2 tbh
16 is a finished good story, milking it further won't end up well
golden garnet
i dont want 16-2, i want more games in that uiniverse. maybe on another continant
love the mature vibes, and more realistic medieval vibes
woven oasis
i mean, i would like a game about the time when Ultima left that crater in the desert
idle wren
Ending for 16 was such an ambiguous ending that I disagree that it is fully finished.
reef flame
i don't see how it was ambiguous
woven oasis
It's just an open ending, where you as a player decide what really happened
reef flame
i barely see it as an open ending as well
idle wren
It was a pretty open ending. I just have a personal distaste for those. So it doesn't feel finished to me.
Ambiguous in that you don't really know exactly the state of everything at the end. Some of it is left up to player interpretation.
reef flame
everything is kind of a tall order
i doubt i can name 5 things, books or games that explains everything
idle wren
Everything is perhaps a bit of a poor choice of words on my part because it is somewhat open to interpretation based on how specific you want to be.
But you don't know at least several big pieces of information which are ||if the main character, Clive, lives or dies and what happens to him. Or where most of the rest the main cast end up for that matter. You just see their immediate reaction and get a time skip to some future date which implies the threat was resolved, but with nothing else on the state of the world as it is left following the final fight.|| So that is a pretty open ending in my book.
reef flame
i think that's expecting the wrong things for that kind of story. || it's a big matter of opinion but i think it's extremely cope people thinking clive didn't die. Nevertheless even if he lives, there is no point knowing what happens to him or any other character for that matter, it's just wishing for a happy ever after ending. The important thing is that the threat was resolved and we learn that the world is healed later. The political ramifications of the world afterwards i don't think it has a point exploring. The main thing was the blight, and magic, and the dominants. Characters like Byron, and Gav, if they go to rule their own new kingdom in this new land, or go retire in some farm it's kind of the same imo, the important thing is that they helped and survived||
Now there are mysteries that would be cool to explore, like the fallen(the allagan like ruins) and the freaking medicine girl, like why so much focus was put onto her lmao.
idle wren
i think that's expecting the wrong things for that kind of story. || it's a big ...
I think at the point of what to expect from the story we're basically arguing our own individual preferences for the story.
But I don't think there can be any argument that it isn't open ended. You can't have a statement like "it's a big matter of opinion" when there is a definitive closed ended story.
And as we've both pointed out, there is still plenty of story left to be told there were they to decide they wanted to.
reef flame
Yeah it's a big world, they did an incredible job building it, so there is a lot of stories to tell that they couldn't possibly tell in 1 game
I think, some stories , specially the ones that tell a grander story, like epic sagas and such, they focus on the overall arc. Evil is defeated, good and peace comes after, yadayada. Like lords of the ring
now, would you look at Lotr and say it's open ended? because they don't show exactly what happens with a lot of characters in the end
i'm thinking about what you brought up about that character, and it's very conflicting for me because to me there is no possibility for any other explanation. But the fact that you cast doubt at it, means that technically there is a question left unanswered
now i said that was a matter of opinion to respect diverging ideas, obviously i don't hold the answers
|| but in the end to me, what i would ask myself is does it matter to the story? And my personal answer to that is no, as i don't see the point of knowing if he lived and went to become a lord again in his old home with jill, even worse the possibility that he lives would make the story worse in my eyes. As i understand the point of it all was to entrust the future to the people, to the new generation ( represented with the baby and what gav says) ||
Like a big example for me of open ending is the Dark Tower
you finish the last page of the book, and goes, wtf did just happen
and 250 questions pops in your head
cyberpunk/witcher also is a good example of open ended game ( i think i see a pattern)
holy, elden ring i think it barely has an ending lmao
or any DS game for that matter
i think a lot of them works like , "the story is about x. We solved/did x. What now?"
and then we don't have an answer to that
idle wren
Lotr I can't comment on as I've never been a fan and thus haven't seen the movies or read the books.
Seems to me we just have different philosophies though.
pseudo mesa
I kinda wanna come back I miss how cozy the world and vibes are in this game
pale elm
I’m getting sucked back into the forbidden game again 
woven oasis
new FFXIV Mobile hairstyles
reef flame
why does this looks a thousand times better than ff14
that elezen is not the same model, no way
nocturne frost
yeah that's not an elezen
fierce snow
Hair looks ugly imo
And to me more photo realistic graphics
But idc too much
Mmos arent really the genre id play for ground breaking graphocs
fierce snow
In the end anyways ppl will call whatever graphics are there bad after some time pass and tech gets better
Kinda whats already going on in ff
Pretty sure by mmo standards it was looking great back in the day
idle wren
Isn't mobile done by an AI game studio? That's probably why.
idle wren
Pretty sure by mmo standards it was looking great back in the day
Back is the ps3 era sure 😂
It doesn't look terrible but it also doesn't look amazing (most of the time). It just has inconsistent quality.
fierce snow
I forgot to apply
Oh well
Not like i would be chosen anyways
Plus unless its to see friends im not going to vegas
worldly swan
Plus unless its to see friends im not going to vegas
Yeah, they moved it to Anaheim... I think
idle wren
Haven't seen any official notices about it today. But probably.
fierce snow
lunar citrus
X
fierce snow
stal logs in
rubs it in our face
leaves
joking aside the fact that this twitter account exists is kinda sad
X
heavy meteor
paper flower
there is no way she joined the thread just to do that 
golden garnet
my static group started q40 tonight
its a fun fight, i really like it. fun healing it
fierce snow
https://essential-japan.com/news/official-final-fantasy-xiv-fragrance-line-adds-...
I CAN SMELL LIKE OLD MAN
idle wren
Okay but tell me you aren't even a little bit curious what those smell like
pale elm
DDoS Time 
woven oasis
jesus christ it looks so bad on these previews
i'm sure some modders did a better job of adding these into the game before
rancid iron
They have an uncanny shine to em
Which I guess it makes sense? But it just looks odd
Its almost like these were designed for a specific character design
cough
idle wren
What character design are you hinting at lol
woven oasis
boss character design
idle wren
The base human transformation models?
idle wren
Eh easy cash grab
woven oasis
Bruhhhhh
rancid iron
Something has to be up their quality control has slipped up for a good bit now
Hair, occult quaso needing soooo many post-release patches
nocturne frost
at least viera can use it.
rancid iron
Is it really an upgrade if we go from unable to bad?
reef flame
Something _has_ to be up their quality control has slipped up for a good bit now
they fired a lot of people on the western area, maybe they are still replacing. Also remember the "AI gonna be the QA and debugger" ....
well there's your outcome
rancid iron
You forget this stuff was done looong before the firing was done
So maybe they just shoved it out the door if they got word but beyond that? I doubt the firing has anything to do with this
paper flower
the viera ears are not floating with that hairstyle
it looks like it but they dont
its a angle perspective
reef flame
i think the hair is actually floating on the head
it looks like a badly placed wig
on both
as if someone took 2 screenshots, and put one on top of each other
slim marlin
Couple different angles
woven oasis
someone gets paid a salary for this 
fierce snow
Is it the cut or
I lack context
Nvm
Thought there was 2 diff conversations
Im dum
rancid iron
You know that's gonna happen too
idle wren
Seems like they may keep swinging big.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1ozb7e8/yoshida_fairly_big_announcement_planned_for/
woven oasis
idle wren
Very possibly. Recent glam change gives hope otherwise though.
gritty oriole
the netcode needs to change if they want a rebirth
woven oasis
It's easier to just make a new game than to try and fix current spaghetti code, so i wouldn't expect much in that regard
slim marlin
How do you do my fellow DPS
viscid pike
wind jackal
It's easier to just make a new game than to try and fix current spaghetti code, ...
that would probably also mean they drop previous gen console support
rancid iron
Which they might do
See for a long time now they've been asking Sony to raise the upper limit of hardware for the PS4 (maybe the 5 too) and its recently hit its absolute limit
Like they've already cut Windows 10 tech support last month
So I would not be surprised if they just 
PS4 too
Like if it makes it past 8.0 I will be VERY surprised
viscid pike
Like they've already cut Windows 10 tech support last month
Cutting windows 10 support means nothing. W10 is officially not supported anymore and was the same case with 7. Doesn't mean much. Game still and will work in the future on it
I don';t think PS4 support will drop soonish. it doesn't have the glaring issues a PS3 had back in the day
rancid iron
Sooo you don't think the PS4 holding back possible future content as a "glaring issue"?
woven oasis
PS4 is still very popular
they won't drop it until it becomes absolutely unupgradable
gritty oriole
wanted to mod my ps4 but i accidentally firmware updated 
woven oasis
rip
rancid iron
F
viscid pike
With how 14 is structured, no the PS4 doesn't really hold it back.
Yes, PS4 experience is debatable. But on a technical level it is not holding back on potential features we can get
gritty oriole
if they want to be serious about it for another decade or smth, they need to rewrite the entire code, yeah make ff14 from scratch again, and somehow retain everysingle persons info/items/etc and then transfer it to the new code/game
woven oasis
A Realm Reborn Reborn Reborn
gritty oriole
The Realmest of Reborns
viscid pike
Nah that is not going to happen. To much money and risk. They will change and upgrade system as they go
woven oasis
To much money and risk
Well it was the same with 1.0 and ARR. But then again, the game right now isn't even close to the state of 1.0 to do this
viscid pike
Yes for 1.0 and ARR they kinda had to. It paid off yes. But in the state 14 is. There is no gain to get really
woven oasis
or they could go the shitty way and just cut everything prior to 8.0 except maybe battle content, and make people start in 8.0 or something like that
gritty oriole
idk if the code about snapshots fall in what category but the mobile version doesnt have snapshots, you see it you dodge it
if they change that its fine
glamour system needs a total remake
make it exactly like WoW or GW2
If they are so stingy at how many glamour plates and glam dresser slots thety give us then theres something wrong, why cant they give us more, whats keeping them from doing it
whats limiting them
why can gw2 and wow do it but not ff14
viscid pike
If they are so stingy at how many glamour plates and glam dresser slots thety gi...
They cannot give more because data management
gritty oriole
cuz wow basically has an entire library window with all the glam, weapons ,minions,mounts, and you can preview them in real time and see which you have and which you dont
viscid pike
It is sadly a left over from the hasty job that 2.0 had to do and how the data is structured. Should they rewrite it? Yes. How long does it take? Who knows
gritty oriole
also the fact when you loot an armor piece lets say, the "glam" of it gets saved in this library so you are safe to discard it but for ff14 u have to keep it then go to the dresser then put it there
like why
woven oasis
probably because something will break if they implement the GW2 way
for example, they can't add glamour dresser into houses, because if someone tries to move it while other person uses it, the server will crash
gritty oriole
then make it into a static object that can't be moved
woven oasis
how
like, you place it once and then it's impossible to move it until you destroy your house?
gritty oriole
no like every single house will have a place where the dresser is and u cant do anything about it
tranquil nexus
I don't think that'd be a good option either
no matter where they choose to put it, it's going to ruin someone's housing design
gritty oriole
put it in the characters then, on ur UI menu
where the chocobo saddlebag is, below it , would say "glamour dresser"
woven oasis
it's easy to make a million ideas how to fix it, but in the end, we didn't see the code
and we don't know how the game would react to any of these fixes
gritty oriole
i think the way the server reads the glam and the items that store it , it reads it as a physicall object
and not run in the background
its like an active thing
yeah idk, but making the glam system exactly like WoW or GW2
kills 2 birds with 1 stone
it solves glam,and solves inventory
and also not thinking about how many slots u have left and where it is and crap like that
See, now we have to think about the armoury , now the armoury has to also change how it behaves
i bet not even 100k euros would make the coder try and fix this
You can't even hire random coders cuz they have to learn the spaghetti first then try and solve it, only FFXIV coders can do this
woven oasis
bold of you to assume SE pays their employees well in the first place
rancid iron
no like every single house will have a place where the dresser is and u cant do ...
Also hardware limitations prevent this from being a thing currently
and given how much data was being sent with mare like every month I'm inclined to believe it
gritty oriole
then how dows WoW do it or Gw2
rancid iron
By having better foundations
Like I feel like people forget that XIV is using the Luminous Engine (albeit tweaked) which is itself a variation of Crystal Tools engine
That shit ass
viscid pike
luminous is not a variation from crystal tools lol
viscid pike
Not the flipflop D:
viscid pike
woven oasis
luminous is a standalone engine, yeah
it was used for FF15
i don't think it's as bad as crystal tools was, and it's definitely more suited for MMO
rancid iron
Not suited enough...
But to remove that would require XIV to get downtime so no way in hell is that happening
reef flame
As a dev, i gave it some thought, on the data perspective and backend it isn't hard to change or improve their database making us have a lot more glams, spaghetti code is only an issue if you are rewriting the whole thing, which you wouldn't need. Now the hard part is changing UI/frontend, that would take more time and would probably need rewriting
rancid iron
Does that count for data transfer too
Cuz that's also a huge hinderance
Having so much transferred back n forth daily
reef flame
negligible, you're not transfering large data
and a lot of it is cached client side
*can be
woven oasis
negligible, you're not transfering large data
i disagree here. If you have any problems with internet, no matter how small, even if you can do literally anything else on a decent level, FFXIV is somehow unplayable
you can run around, speak with npcs fine, won't even notice the lag. And ping plugin will also tell you that everything fine. But then you start the combat and suddenly everything starts lagging, huge delays, animations appearing later, etc
and ping plugin still says that everything normal during that
reef flame
you're not loading your entire glamour bank during combat
rancid iron
No but the game's having to load your glam outfit and the 3+ other people and has to transmit that data back and forth
Like that's why I pointed out Mare earlier cuz that was used by a fraction of the playerbase and STILL break 10s of Terabytes of data each day
So XIV with its full sized playerbase I can't begin to imagine how much is being sent back and forthe daily
earnest zealot
Q40 done
idle wren
I disagree that spaghetti code is only a problem if you're rewriting the whole thing. That's the only time it isn't a problem.
If you only need to touch part of the spaghetti-fied code then your changes often have bleed on effects in other parts of the related code.
The only recourse for sufficiently spaghetti-fied code is to do the wholesale rewrite.
Not sure where 14 on that scale though. My impression is it falls on the side of making things unnecessarily difficult but not impossible enough to require the whole rewrite.
rancid iron
That too yeah I forgot about that
Case n point another MMO (star trek online) a couple years back added some new abilities for people to grab and use and every use in an instance broke other instances of that same mission by causing MASSIVE lag
Like to put this into XIV context imagine they gave an offensive skill to a job say warrior and your roulette stuck you in titan hard (hard to imagine I know /s) and every time you pressed that button in that trial it lagged other titan hard instances now picture that happening across every instanced content that's what was happening on STO
It was legit the 2nd worst experience I think I've ever had with something online (only surpassed by raubahn extreme)
reef flame
sry i was being specific
if you are updating the database, or replacing a functionality, like the glam dresser, spaghetti isn`t an issue because you are not adding to it
you are also not maintaining a piece of code, or making additions to it
now in regards to rewriting i disagree on principle, because, to be able to rewrite, you need to understand it
and to delve into a mess of code do make sense of it, to then, rewrite it while still being able to maintain the old functionalities, is like an insanely hard endeavor
i've never seen( and i worked on small companies) a refactor take less than a couple of months
now databases, are often not mixed with the core code. It just wants to retrieve data, so as long as the data format is the same, you don't need to mess with code for the most part
now i can't talk in regards to mare because i have no idea how they do it, but in principle they can't integrate themselves with the software properly, because as far as i know that would be messing with the game files and it's against TOS. So they must do some shenaningans to be able to replace and redraw etc etc, all the new glams they have.
And that is not to mention that idk how big their staff is, and how is their infrastructure, i would be amazed to know they have a proper database infrasctructure to handle it properly
gritty oriole
tldr nothings impossible as long as you have moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
viscid pike
i've never seen( and i worked on small companies) a refactor take less than a co...
We did recently a whole project for a front-end refactor and it took like 5 a 6 months. And that was just for the fucking front-end 
reef flame
front end is a nightmare
specially because it is usually full of people, and not only devs, that wants to add the new cool flashy thing
the new tech, the new layout
so it becomes a mess
viscid pike
juuuup
idle wren
You're spot on about understanding and figuring out all of the individual functionalities of spaghetti code being a very difficult task. But you're wrong to fear rewriting it for a few reasons.
It's already not maintainable, and any efforts to attempt to maintain or change it in any sense are certain to make it even less so. Even if you leave it alone, that's a part of the system that is now unable to evolve. Due to the nature of it involving what typically should be several distinct pieces architecturally it also has a tendency to spread over time as you try to work around it. Thus the longer it stays around the more limited you are in what you can do in adjacent code, the larger it grows in scope, and the more tech debt you accumulate due to it, which also makes it that much harder to rewrite later. That's the trap you fall into that ends up forcing you to do total rewrites because you eventually wind up with a wholly unmaintainable mess.
So, you shouldn't fear rewriting spaghetti code. You should fear the ways it is going to cripple your system, tie your hands on what you can do in the future, and generally make your life more difficult.
reef flame
well i mostly agree
i don't fear rewriting i just think it's the hard part, but then we are just arguing semantics
like, one is hard to do
the other makes it incrementally harder
very tiny difference
idle wren
Tiny difference until you take those increments in aggregate over a period of time lol.
But yes, it a very difficult task that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
rancid iron
Especially with XIV literally the only pillar holdiing the entire company up at this point
New game SE puts out and sells 7 milliuon copies in the first week
is a dissapointment by the company
paper flower
isnt she the one that started playing 14 and when twitch made the gift 5 subs and get a mount ended quit the game to go back into wow? 
viscid pike
isn't the category more best community support and not best community in general?
Idk really if there is a difference, or how wow support their community ect
fierce snow
isnt she the one that started playing 14 and when twitch made the gift 5 subs an...
I mean she wasnt looking to quit playing wow entirely and swap 100% to ffxiv. Just play and try out multiple mmorpgs.
Variety
paper flower
well yeah but its kinda sus that it happened right after that promotion ended
fierce snow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Would be dumb to not take advantage of that promo
Prob extended her stay for it
fierce snow
Doesnt that put more points into wow's basket
paper flower
lets be honest, wow patches are just a new zone with a new raid and a new dungeon and thats it
fierce snow
Havent heard anything negative for the past bit
Ppl been enjoying themselves
Meanwhile ff we all complaints
Barely positives but yes they do exist
Also more importantly wheres osrs
They honestly deserve somethin for what they do
paper flower
i mean
FF14 community wouldnt be happy even if they gave them everything everyone wanted
there would always be people making AI generated videos with AI voices basically griefting
(ive seen videos of people doing videos like that shitting on yoship because they take the glam restrictions NOW and not a while ago)
woven oasis
FFXIV community is anything but the best
Majority of players (in the west) either shit on literally anything (but still continue eating cactus) or refuse to acknowledge a single flaw
paper flower
like
tell me which expansion has more content to date
ShB, EW or DT
yet all i hear is US streamers say that the game is dead, there is no content and bla bla bla
woven oasis
When people say there is no content, they don't actually mean that
What it means is that there's nothing they find interesting
golden garnet
i just ignore them. peoples criticisms are constructed by the streamer they watch. people got no idea what they like or dislike
woven oasis
Like, this game has a shitton of content, especially if you are new
golden garnet
people unironically say that the hw experience was better cause they werent there
(nobody was there. game was ass during hw)
woven oasis
Hw was horrible for a casual player
golden garnet
it was shit for everybody
woven oasis
There was ACTUALLY nothing to do
golden garnet
crafting was terrible, and the endgame was "try and get a static on your server cause no pf" but the raids were hard so nobody fucking did them, and the other remaining content was old diadem or ex primals
actual dog shit
golden garnet
at the time i was hardcore. i was server first on lich and it was impossible to get clears for any savage
paper flower
What it means is that there's nothing *they find interesting*
and then when they find something interesting they proceed to do 20 hours a day 7 days a week that content until the finish it
and then where content, dead game
woven oasis
And the rewards were either unusable garbage or literal best weapon/gear in the game
Due to stat randomizer
golden garnet
people get too hung up on rewards
everybody seems to gforget that we're there literally for the journey of doing the content
the loot is worthless
fierce snow
people unironically say that the hw experience was better cause they werent ther...
Hw just had more fun to play classes and better community
Thats it
golden garnet
nahnah the community was awful