all the hot takes
#General Discussion
silver heath
i played both first trail game and chrono and didnt finish both
but i have been wanting to finish chrono
copper remnant
i haven't finished cs1 either
no desire to even try
man, how the story changes on your decisions and stuff you do on trigger is really big
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Cold steel is the lowest point
copper remnant
the different endings
cobalt spade
it has 13 games for a reason, and the first game of every arc is the slow burner setup game
copper remnant
i thought the first ones stal played were amazing
cobalt spade
what you say for cs1 is what everyone would say for every game 1 of the arc
most of the time anyway
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Reverie is the only game since cold steel that I feel lives up to pre cold steel
cobalt spade
well, i love trails, and even the lowest of trails i will take over most other games. yes i am extremely biased, no i dont care 
cobalt spade
if we're talking singular game with insanely good story, then idk honestly
would have to think really hard
because i feel like most games ive played are overarching games
copper remnant
baldur's gate 2 i think it's there
copper remnant
peak villain
cobalt spade
mostly just a jrpg guy
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Ff7
copper remnant
i recommend watching a video
story is peak
ff7... that's a hard one
i think i rate 6 higher
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6 is another one I just don't have the majority opinion on, I was expecting some masterpiece story but I just never really liked it that much
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I like 4, 7 and 9 more
copper remnant
the delivery is amazing
the delivery of 7 is horrible
honestly
the story is only good when you piece together like 3 other games
cobalt spade
idk if its just a difference in taste perhaps or something, but i feel like the 'classics' can hold on their own, but the modern day peaks easily outweight them
copper remnant
i can't think of any modern day otweighting those
cobalt spade
maybe because there are more resources these days or something
copper remnant
planescape is nuts
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Yeah I agree with you Brendon maybe I just don't like the classics as much as others
copper remnant
modern day only has graphics
everything else is lacking
well maybe music
score nowadays is pretty great
copper remnant
i feel bad for planescape cause the system they made is so convoluted for me, i can't get myself to play it, i tried it once. but the story is insanely good
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Modern games have better gameplay as well, the lack of qol in old games is pain
silver heath
im used to jank
i dont feel different even if u compare a game like gothic 1
to a modern rpg
cobalt spade
sorry i cant, i get easily annoyed when i feel like im wasting time
copper remnant
a lot of qol is just lack of complexity
cobalt spade
the easiest way to grind my gears is save points
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Save points are sooo annoying
copper remnant
that is true, but you can't really pin that on the old games, they literally couldn't do that
they had little memory avaiable
copper remnant
yeah depends how far back you go
cobalt spade
just giving an example of what i mean when i say i feel like im wasting time
silver heath
i mean u not having fun is a waste of time
which is fair
but thats just a game design thing
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Save points + when u die you go back to last save
copper remnant
yeah you have checkpoints like in dark souls, or limited saves in resident evil, they are purposely made like that
ofc not all games are
cobalt spade
i love trails as i said, but even og sky first chapter i was annoyed by the lack of minimaps in certain places
copper remnant
yeah some games overcomplicate stuff unecessarily
little tree
yeah you have checkpoints like in dark souls, or limited saves in resident evil,...
an interesting tool for creating a sense of player agency
copper remnant
but that is def not specific to old stuff
silver heath
im not much of a quiter but if there is no story going and i stop having fun i dont even drop the game i just forget it
cobalt spade
and its not that im not having fun, its just a me thing where i get frustrated when i feel like what im doing is pointless or has no direction
silver heath
i boot smth else and then remember oh shit
cobalt spade
doesnt apply to just games
silver heath
isnt pointless : not fun tho
cobalt spade
its not like im not having fun with the rest of the game
copper remnant
and its not that im not having fun, its just a me thing where i get frustrated w...
like doing gaccha pulls in granblue relink for the specific thing you put in the weapon
i quit over that
silver heath
i mean doesnt matter if the movie ends good if rest of is a bore
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If there's no story the gameplay needs to be insanely good
silver heath
of it '
as long as i have goals and desires i can do without story
or the mechanics are just fun
my brain gets happy doing it
copper remnant
arpgs in a nutshell
silver heath
but if smth is not fun i just dont bother
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Depends on the game type yeh
copper remnant
like metaphor , annoyed me so much, in so many aspects i developed a disgust for the game by the end
couldn't finish it
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Metaphor gameplay I loved a lot
silver heath
i had a problem with persona 4 when i first played
which was the dungeons early.on being harder
little tree
my main gripe with metaphor is how the classes are sometimes just "more of the same"
silver heath
like why is a game harder at the start and grindier
cobalt spade
Typical atlus moment tbh
silver heath
i also played on hard and that didnt help the grind
copper remnant
4 gameplay made sense to me when i learned how to farm those golden hands
before that was a pain
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That does seem to be the case with jrpgs
silver heath
i just dont like that feeling when suddenly u are just too powerful
copper remnant
don't let stal read that
queen island
once you get somewhat powerful physical abilities in any of 3 modern persona games, everything becomes braindead easy
silver heath
stal knows me
queen island
well, mostly everything
silver heath
thats why we say law games and stal games
im the opposite of her when it comes to difficulty
i want to suffer
cobalt spade
I mean same lmao i like yo just go high difficulty immediately
little tree
i just dont like that feeling when suddenly u are just too powerful
is it the case where you get so strong, every sense of strategy and setup lose all meaning?
cobalt spade
But some gamed dont rly do it
copper remnant
i only cheese if the challenge is annoying
silver heath
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for like 8-9 years i played poe only hc
copper remnant
is it the case where you get so strong, every sense of strategy and setup lose a...
owlcat games
do that a lot
cobalt spade
Like artificial difficulty is boring
copper remnant
you reach a point where 99% of the battles are stupid
silver heath
Like artificial difficulty is boring
yeah
cobalt spade
But i guess you cant rly do much outside of inflating hp and stats lol
You gott be creative
little tree
true
cobalt spade
looks at trails again
silver heath
sts2 has a problem rn where act 1 is harder than act 2 and act 3
copper remnant
larian do that very well
with their honor mode
it's not inflated hp
they design different encounters
with both bg3 and divinity
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That's why I don't bother with harder difficulties, if it's just stat inflation
silver heath
i like library of ruina style difficulty too u never know when its hard when its easy lol
cobalt spade
I do it because i dont wanna do story battles that take 1minute
little tree
evem smt5 which I adore, you can't really do much about your stats being inflated at some point, but the overall game is balanced well enough so that the important fights/superbosses do require proper strategy; you just love a game where you can't break walls without much thinking behind
Damage floors and damage ceilings can't work in every game, but they're interesting for balancing a game and overcoming issues related to stat inflation
KH does that
cobalt spade
I mean
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Smt5 balancing was annoying to me, I hate how everything is just easy and then you get the big spikes of the bosses
little tree
Smt5 balancing was annoying to me, I hate how everything is just easy and then y...
og smt5 had issues with level scaling yeah
they fixed most of it with vengeance while adding much better team building options
cobalt spade
Cant do this or else this happens
Cant use this or else thid happens
Cant cast this or else that happens
little tree
yeah persona superbosses in a nutshell
smt5 is fine with that tho
probably the best superbosses I know from atlus so far
but I have a lot to see yet
cobalt spade
silver heath
i startef touhou artifical dream in arcadia lately and its been decent very old style smt like game touhou characters fan made
little tree
smt5v ||Satan|| was a really good fight imo, but it's mostly helped by the builds and different setups possible in the game
even for the Lv999 fights
cobalt spade
Shhh
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Isn't that the point of superbosses in jrpgs tho, they force u to create a specific setup to win
cobalt spade
Isn't that the point of superbosses in jrpgs tho, they force u to create a speci...
Idk tbh, i feel like forcing you into a single setup doesnt feel great
copper remnant
^
cobalt spade
Like, what if i spent the whole game as a phy powerhouse
And then this superboss goes
"Hey no physical"
Well now i have to rebuild
little tree
I mean, if the game does give you options and the possibility to not be stuck with one thing, it's ok, like party member swapping
cobalt spade
If there are different ideas to tackle, then thats great, but if the it just negates everything then no its not fun
little tree
If you're supposed to be stuck with your same builds and setups for the whole game tho, that just sounds like bad game design
copper remnant
persona is like, here are the tools to rebuild but you'll be punished for using them
cobalt spade
I dont want to fight a boss and then get fucking mirror force, magic cylinder, ash and blossom, maxx c, exodia-ed by every move i do
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What's a good example of a jrpg superboss then and why
silver heath
im with tsu its kind of the point imo its kinda annoying if u dont wanna adapt to it
but also without them then u just win the game
copper remnant
e33 simon
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Ok e33 is different because of the skill aspect
cobalt spade
I just meant like, a superboss that forces you into a SINGULAR build is ass
There should still be variety
silver heath
1 answer is bad yeah
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I meant like a traditional turn based game
little tree
I want to say OT1 and 2 ||Galdera|| since it forces you to use every character and build around all of them in multiple viable setups, but the fights remain extremely hard for a blind first time, so you'd just die and learn and adapt as you see fit, without being forced into one particular comp
copper remnant
ff13 superbosses i think are well done
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Haven't played those so I'm clueless lmao
little tree
13-2 not so much (they just melt without much of a challenge)
copper remnant
the builds are easy to change, i thiink you don't need to refarm relic weapons for that
little tree
but 13, with all the tinkering related to your characters' equipment and stuff
the paradigm system
it's both a test of skill and reactivity because it requires you to think and act fast with the paradigm shifts, and the characters all excel at different things, so you could play around that and prepare your own plan
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So it sounds like you want as much options as possible to be able to deal with a superboss
little tree
13-3 has some funky stuff too
little tree
So it sounds like you want as much options as possible to be able to deal with a...
Viable options that doesn't necessarily trivialize the superbosses
I think that would be it for me
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But I bet there's still metas to those games that will destroy
copper remnant
yes but not because everything else is limited
little tree
well there is always a more optimal choice with these games, I think it's inevitable
copper remnant
but because certain combination is good
cobalt spade
Im trying to remember what supoerbosses i fought were memorable outside of atlus games
little tree
but if the idea is that of a first blind experience, that should be the way to go
little tree
Bravely Default has a lot of superbosses that require you to adapt to their design, but the game does provide you with a LOT of options to play around, so you're heavily encouraged to experiment
little tree
but there isn't 1 single answer
ye
||Galdera|| good stuff when blind first time
granted you could trivialize it with speedrun strats and the like
but it's also a bit of rng
I was almost going to say ||Yozora|| KH3 but not turn-based
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Ig it's a flaw of turn based for me, if I can just get x setup and win, it doesn't feel that rewarding
Ex33 has my fave gameplay because of the skill part
Altho x setup also just wins in that after a certain point
little tree
Ig it's a flaw of turn based for me, if I can just get x setup and win, it doesn...
I agree
copper remnant
yes thaat's why they made the dlc superbosses
cobalt spade
Its funny how i look up what peoples fav superbosses are
And basically most of the answers were
little tree
Some games allow self-imposed challenges and all that kind of stuff, but I don't think you should have to self-impose restrictions in order to keep your player agency
cobalt spade
Smt or persona
little tree
I really need to tackle every smt pre-5
I started 3 some years ago but I got caught by something else
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Some games allow self-imposed challenges and all that kind of stuff, but I don't...
I would agree with this but any game with difficulty options is self imposed already
copper remnant
jrpgs usually don't have difficult options
little tree
usually yeah, but there are a few cases
cobalt spade
You'd have to get creative like atlus and do battle rules
little tree
smt5 hard mode was good imo because otherwise, things die too fast and you can't really feel the full potential of your setups and strategies, which I feel is a bit of a shame
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If there's difficulty options they should specify the dev intended one that they want u to play on
cobalt spade
But not go overboard with it
little tree
smt5 hard mode was good imo because otherwise, things die too fast and you can't...
and all it did was reduce damage done and increase damage taken if I'm not wrong, but as said, it doesn't go overboard
There's also the question of the player skill and how much people actually do seek a challenge or fight superbosses in general
little tree
I'd say lower difficulties can be nice for titles, because they can serve as an entry level for neophytes
cobalt spade
|| i beat shiva in 2 ways, the regular hard earned way and the 2 turn otk way lmao ||
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There's also the question of the player skill and how much people actually do se...
If it's after story I lose a lotttt of interest to do them
little tree
|| i beat shiva in 2 ways, the regular hard earned way and the 2 turn otk way lm...
||1hp Loup Garou adversity gaming, I see you||
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Story is my main driving factor in a game, if there's none left I'm usually out unless the gameplay is really really good
cobalt spade
||1hp Loup Garou adversity gaming, I see you||
Forgot the name of the attack already, think it was Muramasa?
copper remnant
i like when you find this secret thing during your playthrough, and wonder what it is about, and then the endgame tells you to go there
little tree
|| i beat shiva in 2 ways, the regular hard earned way and the 2 turn otk way lm...
if you haven't played vengeance yet, I'd heavily recommend it; I liked base 5 a lot, but vengeance really is much much better
little tree
Forgot the name of the attack already, think it was Muramasa?
MURAKUMO
cobalt spade
Murakumo yea
cobalt spade
if you haven't played vengeance yet, I'd heavily recommend it; I liked base 5 a ...
I played both lol
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So ig if they give superbosses a story segment to them I'd be more likely to do it
cobalt spade
Then vengeance was on pc so i got it there
copper remnant
they can't really tie much story to superbosses
or else people would complain that you're forced to do them
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Yeee that's the issue
little tree
So ig if they give superbosses a story segment to them I'd be more likely to do ...
only games I know that do this are octopath 1 and Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria, but the latters are mostly stack checkers than anything else
cobalt spade
See
little tree
or else people would complain that you're forced to do them
yeah that happened with ot1
cobalt spade
Superbsses are optional but
If you can tie some lore to it
I can get behind it
Like the one in tales of the abyss
copper remnant
as i said i like when you find some secret thing in your adventure
but you can't get in or something
and you unlock it in post game
i think octopath does that
little tree
insane feeling yeah
copper remnant
chained echoes
little tree
bro
cobalt spade
chained echoes
Tbf
little tree
OT2 does EXACLTY that
copper remnant
lmfao
little tree
holy shit I just remembered that THING in the middle of nowhere
bro ot2 was so good
still sad the game overall was just waaaay too easy
copper remnant
i jsut found one of those in tainted grail, and i have a mental note of it now
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Honestly that's a good way to incentive it more, instead of it being tucked away at the end of the game, have players come in contact with it way before
cobalt spade
I like 2 kinds of superbosses,
The one that has optional but insane story lore to it
The one that acts as like a "final obstacle" of sorts
little tree
I side with this statement
copper remnant
what is an example of superboss with insane lore? i can only think o f e33 right now ( i'm sleepy about to go to bed)
cobalt spade
Maybe im exaggerating it by using the word insane LOL
But yea i said tales of the abyss
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e33 really just has the best iteration of it lmao
little tree
what is an example of superboss with insane lore? i can only think o f e33 right...
specifically insane lore? or does insane lore+postgame msq prog counts too
copper remnant
any good lore
cobalt spade
|| the super boss at the end of a ppst game questline is someone that was closely related to one your party members and we slowly learn that over time || tales of the abyss
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What's that a spoiler of
copper remnant
Labyrinth of Refrain
never heard of it
little tree
for everything that you lear throughout your adventure + the postgame's story, the final boss that acts as a superboss is pretty neat
little tree
never heard of it
NIS dungeon crawler, not the most interesting game or most polished, but it has interesting ideas
copper remnant
yeah, idk if true ending is one too
little tree
I need to return to it at some point
that place was something I knew long before because of ff14 but ye
copper remnant
same, i'm in the middle of trying to recruit all characters
trying to do potd stuff
little tree
ohh Bravely Default technically has insane lore with two of its superbosses
but they mostly served as teasers for the next game
cobalt spade
Cant really appreciatr superboss lore without spoiling
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Is it better than ff tactics
little tree
Is it better than ff tactics
I'll say it's a bit different, but the pen is similar
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Does it have a good story
little tree
yes
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Or is it purely gameplay
little tree
same writer
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Okok
cobalt spade
WAIT
little tree
to me, he proves on his own that video games can be great places for good literature
cobalt spade
I know
copper remnant
nier
little tree
nier
can't think of anything counting as a superboss, besides maybe that one series of quest in Automata
little tree
My boy volo from legends arceus
actually valid lmao
copper remnant
can't think of anything counting as a superboss, besides maybe that one series o...
|| yeah i was thinking of emil ||
little tree
figures
cobalt spade
actually valid lmao
|| 6v8 goes crazy holy shit ||
I was having a blast watching everyone react to it too
Peak
little tree
Nier storytelling is so flawed gameplay wise lmao
me when I have to gather an entire library, watch concerts and plays to get full context of what's happening
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Lmao
copper remnant
i mean
i can appreciate nier story without having to understand the entire drakengard stuff
lmao
that's crazy levels of story
little tree
I'll say, NieR/Drakengard, despite having interesting stories and lore, the philosophical aspects of those games seem much more appealing to me than the "surface"
but the lore, when you dive into the rabbit hole, is very crazy
little tree
that's crazy levels of story
yeah that too
the fact that you can start at any point and still enjoy everything at your pace is impressive
you can connect everything together no matter where you start
copper remnant
yeah
little tree
sure, you'll miss some references and the evolution of it all if you disregard the release order, but there is yet insane value to not necessarily going for said release order
there is one exception however
and it's Reincarnation
not only it has shutdown, but everything revealed in it doesn't makes much sense if you don't know most of the lore
the payoff was great tho
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What jrpg haven't you played lmao
copper remnant
lol
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Yooo I should play disgaea too
little tree
disgaea, or "numbers go up," the games
the two Labyrinth games aren't much different, aside from the fact it's a team building srpg dungeon crawler
the story is nice
wonder if disgaea 3 will ever be ported, but I heard the game isn't well-famed, or something controversial happened around it
cobalt spade
Ff7 rebirth gilgamesh is kinda funny superboss highkey
little tree
damn I dropped the game just before that kek
I was going for 100% but mh wilds released while I was finishing it
cobalt spade
I 100%ed it so yea lmao
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You're traumatized from minigames
little tree
ok but
little tree
Queen's Blood was peak
the first time I started a game and heard the music, I ascended
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Ok yeh queen's blood is dope
little tree
then I went and beat every encounter
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But even I got tired of it by the end
little tree
Fort Condor I prefered Remake's version of it
cobalt spade
Queens blood
copper remnant
Fort Condor I prefered Remake's version of it
DUDE THAT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE
cobalt spade
Has a fucking superboss
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I haaaaate fort condor
cobalt spade
Lmao
copper remnant
og condor is just torture
little tree
DUDE THAT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE
little tree
og condor is just torture
ye nah og fort condort is something else
but I meant as in Remake vs Rebirth fort condor
copper remnant
jesus that gif is horrendous
cobalt spade
When your minigames also has superbosses
little tree
I saw og Fort Condor, I said "nah fuck this shit I'm throwing hands"
cobalt spade
Its cooked
Best minigame? I raise you trail's pompom party
Aka
Literally just tetris
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I skip all trails minigames
little tree
best minigame..................... atelier sophie crafting
copper remnant
gwent is just perfect.
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Fishing is actually so overrated
copper remnant
i almost never like fishing
cobalt spade
Not if it gives me money
little tree
hmm yes me when I have to fish a gazillion fish in NieR for some silly quest and achievements
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It's either so basic or they try and make it different and it still sucks
copper remnant
having to pay omega attention to the bait pulling, and then some sort of mashing the mouse
little tree
anyone played Spectrobes? there's a minigame where you have to excavate fossils of the monsters you catch
when the fossil is cleaned, it can join your party
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I love catching new slaves from the ocean
Pokemon fishing is better because you spend more time in the battle
Tying an encounter to fishing is good design
copper remnant
dude, you need a phd to be able to do monster hunter wilds fishing
little tree
bru
copper remnant
fish in hand
copper remnant
little tree
cobalt spade
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livid elbow
little tree
4 years? ohhh
if anything, you're in a pretty exciting position
so much to discover and enjoy
the unknown begs to be learned and understood
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That is true
little tree
the very first video game I touched must've been a jrpg, most likely a ff, but I lacked "consciousness," being an infant and all, so I have no memory of it
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My first completed jrpg was dragon quest 9 as a kid but I didn't get into them as a genre until 2020s
cobalt spade
2017.. 
little tree
My first completed jrpg was dragon quest 9 as a kid but I didn't get into them a...
GOAT
WE'RE BEST FRIENDS NOW
cobalt spade
As a kid i didnt play much
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Lmaooo
cobalt spade
Just pokemon
I had a psp with alot of random shit
I never finished any of then
lol
crystal bramble
My first ever rpg, even before Pokemon Yellow, was Guardian's Crusade on Ps1, and it's still in my top 10 favorite game (/franchises) of all time
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PS1 is unc status fr
cobalt spade
On the 3ds i had pokemon and mh
little tree
first rpg I finished may as well have been dq9 now that I think about it
crystal bramble
and you are in a really good spot, I would say this is the golden age of rpgs in general
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first rpg I finished may as well have been dq9 now that I think about it
Yoooo
little tree
I remember reaching the very end of ff13, but I was too dumb to figure out the final boss and most of the game mechanics depth anyway, so I never got to finish
little tree
dq9 however, I casually reset my save to recreate a new character and redo the game
cobalt spade
On the psp i had like starwars bf2, bakugan and ben10 games LOL
Uhh guilty gear, mh.. some dungeon crawler i dont remember the name of
Idk what else
cobalt spade
Ah yea
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I definitely had some sort of Ben 10 game on psp too
little tree
and 13-2 improved it
yeah, I always say ff13 tricks into thinking it's a rpg, but when you dive very deep into its systems, the game turns into a srpg
despire 13-2 improving a lot of the existing systems, while nerfing others (atb refresh, I see you), I only find it a bit sad that the game was generally much much much easier than og 13
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You guys are praising 13, isn't it meant to be the worst
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Apart from banging music
little tree
I always said it since day 1
queen island
Dissidia duodecim 
little tree
Dissidia duodecim <:pepedream:594308764098625546>
LESGOOOOOOO
crystal bramble
13 is not the worst by a long shot, while the hallway claim is true (until endgame where it opens up A LOT)
the combat was excellent
little tree
Onion Knight, Zidane, Tifa and Prishe, my goated lineup
crystal bramble
if I had to pick a worst Final Fantasy form the ones I know and/or played
it's 2
absolutely 2
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I haven't played pre 4
little tree
13 is not the worst by a long shot, while the hallway claim is true (until endga...
I'll add that if you have this thing people call "media literacy," you might even see that this linearity makes perfect sense with the narrative, in many ways
little tree
absolutely 2
them trapped rooms bru
crystal bramble
the story is created around the fact it was "hallways"
little tree
funnily, I think it's because of ff2 that the SaGa series exist
crystal bramble
but also, media literacy also counts towards Kingdom Hearts. How many people ignore the secret reports because it's "not" in the cutscenes.. like no, they are there, they tease future stuff, they EXPLAIN stuff not explained in the main story.
cobalt spade
Ben 10 protector of the earth peak
little tree
well, even the progression system is linear to an extent, but even that makes sense not only from a game design perspective, but also because of the situation the characters are in, the way they feel about what's happening etc
cobalt spade
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Ben 10 was so goated
crystal bramble
Like I've seen some people say even TWEWY had a bad story because stuff was not explained and came out of nowhere.. meanwhile the reports you can get in both TWEWY and NEO, explaining stuff. I don't know why people hate reading
little tree
I really like that despite having a linear progression at first glance, there are yet some possible choices you can make, such as ignoring some crystarium branches and focusing on others early on, which is very rewarding if you know what to do
whole tinsel
I like hallways ngl tho
crystal bramble
oh there is one point I did not like about 13, the crystarium is just a worse sphere grid imo
little tree
ff13 is one such game where I'd say you play it a first time, then you go back later on to dig further, and there is a chance that you may like it even more
little tree
oh there is one point I did not like about 13, the crystarium is just a worse sp...
that's true, but when you take into account itemization of your characters + the AI behavior, it becomes so much more interesting
without going too much into details, knowing how the AI works allows you to consider skipping some buffing abilities for example, because otherwise, the AI will prioritize them and thus ruin your setups
crystal bramble
while true, I would've liked the freedom the expert grid had in 10. Crystarium is fine for people who only used Standard Grid in 10 I guess? I personally don't like the Standard Grid at all. I tried it once, never again lol
little tree
I remember the Sentinel role in particular having very crappy abilities that you really wanted to skip so that your tank would not use them and be "bricked"
little tree
while true, I would've liked the freedom the expert grid had in 10. Crystarium i...
ye that's fair
I would also have seen the possibility to toggle on and off abilities, since some genuinely brick your characters before you get access to other stuff later on
which is funny because in that aspect, ff12 already had those elements
crystal bramble
Yeah, that's an issue in "most" Square games
livid elbow
ff13 is one such game where I'd say you play it a first time, then you go back l...
dont even need a second its love at first sight :NOCRINGE:
little tree
like the big example is having Sazh
crystal bramble
may I present the best 13 character
little tree
Sazh SYN
crystal bramble
I love Sazh
little tree
may I present the best 13 character
say it louder bro
little tree
Sazh SYN
Sazh SYN, at the start, he's very offense-oriented, but as soon as you gain access to defensive buffs, the AI will prioritize those instead of offense, even when you don't need it
crystal bramble
That's why you make Sazh the main leader when you reach end game for the sidequest stuff. He is so broken, and it's absolutely funny
queen island
Imo FF13 isn't a bad game, but it's a bad Final Fantasy game (or at most mediocre), story in 10 was much better
little tree
the only way to overcome this issue is to craft accessories with auto-whatever defensive abilities, which you won't have access to until further ahead
little tree
That's why you make Sazh the main leader when you reach end game for the sideque...
Sazh leader using Blitz hehehehe
queen island
It's even funnier that they cut him out of 13-2 entirely and gave him a very small side story in 13-3
Like why???
crystal bramble
meanwhile Sazh in Opera Omnia when it was new (it's dead now): worst character in the game. Thanks Square.
little tree
honestly, 13-3 didn't have the best character arcs in general
it felt a bit like "more of the same"
and I do like 13-3
queen island
13-3 didn't have anything good about it except the battle system, for me personally
crystal bramble
I was never a fan of Lightning so 13-3 never interested me
little tree
battle system and ambiance
when Hope shuts up after you're done with most quests, you can really enjoy the atmosphere of the game
also Paddra Nsu-Yeul save me
little tree
I was never a fan of Lightning so 13-3 never interested me
Nissan, Prada, Louis Vuitton
crystal bramble
lol
little tree
what did they mean by this
crystal bramble
but yeah no, no interest in her
little tree
you'd laugh at the writing of 13-3 honestly
being a kh player too
you'd read something about the plot and you'd be like "oi I've read this before"
crystal bramble
I mean.. as a KH fan
I will experience the story of Versus 13
Nomura wants it
so KH has to have it
little tree
versus 13.............
... our top priority is maintaining the agenda
I first learned about the entire Fabula Nova Crystallis via the secret icons in the og Dissidia
you could get icons of Ace from Agito XIII, Lightning and Noctis
crystal bramble
the crazy stuff is that the trailers for Versus 13 were insane
everyone was hyped for it
then Square said "no"
"make it 15 instead"
little tree
I was so intrigued by versus 13 back then, but didn't have internet so I didn't know much until a bit before the E3 2013
did you see the 1h video that speaks of almost everything that happened with vs13/15?
if you were there the whole time, you probably know most of it, but even to this day, it's crazy to think about again
queen island
I remember buying Type-0 on steam and they gave a chocobo courier for dota with it
I sold it on market for more than i spent to buy the game
crystal bramble
did you see the 1h video that speaks of almost everything that happened with vs1...
I've seen multiple videos but I think I know which one you mean
I love 1+ hour videos
little tree
the NSP one
crystal bramble
Currently still have Tetris Grandmaster video to watch, which is 4+ hours long
little tree
I really hope Nomura manages to do something with his vision
everyone got screwed so hard with this game, it's unbelievable
even Shimomura to some extent, Nojima too
little tree
Verum Rex is just our versus epic
trust
never forget how they entirely retconned the game's logo too
I think that's one of the most insane thing to do, to retcon the meaning of a ff logo, which are supposed to be very iconic of something important in every game
little tree
I love 1+ hour videos
if you'd like, Magic Echo Luke has some neat video essays that are quite long as well
little tree
It's an old story...
It all began in 2006...
Back in the day, weー
whole tinsel
Lmaooo
queen island
15 fell apart because of : very bad game design choice of going to an actual hallway simulatot for the entirety of the story after first continent; crappiest love story ever made; and most importantly - stupid decision to spend a lot of money NOT on a game. Yeah, let's spend resources on a demo level that isn't appearing in main game! Let's make a movie and release it before the game, surely it will bring hype, right? Let's announce 12 DLCs before the game is even released! Let's put major character development bits into paid DLCs!
And so on
little tree
yup, that summarizes it
but the fact that this is all because of mismanagement that has carried over since 2006 is very crazy
little tree
I'll say, considering what transpired in the background, it's impressive that the game exists at all and is playable, despite not necessarily being the greatest
but the original vision being absolutely butchered is something that needs to be studied too
whole tinsel
I feel like most games tho over time will get a more positive reception because ppl will not care about it but then u still have the core fanbase
little tree
well I'm still waiting for Unlimited SaGa to receive this positivity because DAMN
I will dissect this game someday
whole tinsel
ff16 is a fun game sue me
little tree
I need to revisit it
I didn't love it, I didn't hate it either
but I feel I could dig further
maybe there is value for me to find yet
whole tinsel
I replayed it when it released on pc, definitely not as good on a replay
little tree
I can point out some gripes I have with the game, but idk, I feel like I'm missing something in the grand picture
Like, ok, it's not a rpg at all
cobalt spade
i want to play ff16 just for the eikon fights
whole tinsel
i want to play ff16 just for the eikon fights
worth
queen island
Ff16 was fun, aside from gigantic side quest portions
little tree
The music score is unequal; a lot of tracks but only a select few are extremely memorable compared to the rest
cobalt spade
whenever the wheel lands on ff16....
little tree
the side quests were something
queen island
At times it felt worse than Xenoblade in that regard
whole tinsel
The music score is unequal; a lot of tracks but only a select few are extremely ...
This is true, only the fight tracks
cobalt spade
worse than xenoblade?
i dropped xc1 because of sidequest
and now i have to play it
little tree
This is true, only the fight tracks
I'll say, some field tracks were very nice, I'm thinking about Histoire and it's alternative version for the late game in particular
little tree
but when you listen to the full album, you realize how much you just either didn't notice or not remember at all
whole tinsel
I'll say, some field tracks were very nice, I'm thinking about Histoire and it's...
Doesnt come to my head, but ig its because that part of the game is the least memorable
little tree
It's not that they're bad, but they're just unremarkable compared to the rest
cobalt spade
but when you listen to the full album, you realize how much you just either didn...
because of trails, i've always paid extra close attention to soundtrack
to try and pick up motifs and anything related
little tree
I always pay as much attention as possible to music and motifs and stuff too
I breathe for that shit
Hell, I picked up the violin because of Hamauzu LMAO
cobalt spade
sometimes i like to just zone out and listen repeatedly, but each time i listen for different instruments
whole tinsel
I can definitely not admit what I was boutta say
little tree
sometimes i like to just zone out and listen repeatedly, but each time i listen ...
ff16's combat is what's puzzling me the most I think
cobalt spade
little tree
it is okay? but the very fun options come too late in the progression, and there isn't a real incentive to get better or experiment with your tools, like you can really play in the most boring way and the game will still be a cakewalk
cobalt spade
peak organ + guitar cinema
little tree
also the scoring system is heavily flawed in arcade and all
whole tinsel
it is okay? but the very fun options come too late in the progression, and there...
I enjoyed mixing different skills together
little tree
the sole fun I find in it is just styling on enemies, which I guess is the intent, being an action game with DMC people involved
whole tinsel
FF mode should have been available from the start
It being too easy was the biggest problem
little tree
I enjoyed mixing different skills together
yeah when you get your stuff together, it gets better, but the base game is just too dumb to play through
little tree
FF mode should have been available from the start
exactly
cobalt spade
im not ashamed to say this, i have made a few low-effort montages of my own league of legends games, and 1 of them i used ys8 music as the montage music lmao
whole tinsel
yeah when you get your stuff together, it gets better, but the base game is just...
I did like the story of the game
It ends up being a ton of wasted potential but i still really enjoyed what there was
cobalt spade
i feel bad for the music
please dont
LMAO
associate the music to ME and my GAMEPLAY instead 
(thats my in-game name)
whole tinsel
Not even you or ys can make league appealing
cobalt spade
good times
whole tinsel
(thats my in-game name)
sounds accurate
whole tinsel
Good bait
little tree
It ends up being a ton of wasted potential but i still really enjoyed what there...
yeah I felt it was okay; it tried hard to be ff tactics at some moments, but not really since it dropped the political aspect of it veeeery early on
whole tinsel
Yeah thats the wasted potential
I bought a ps5 because of ff16
it did not live up to that level of hype lmao
but it was still a fun game
whole tinsel
my fave is easily away
whole tinsel
i looove the omega theme as well
little tree
but that's also not counting the dlcs
bc ye
the dlcs were pretty good
I actually liked them more than the main game
little tree
ye
little tree
I did wipe there too but for a silly reason
My controller disconnected during the dps check
cobalt spade
thats not a silly reason
little tree
actually was it a dps check? I can't remember
cobalt spade
thats just an excuse
whole tinsel
it was i think
cobalt spade
speaking of lock in
i need to lock in
but here i am talking games
i hate talking games
whole tinsel
lock in
whole tinsel
that sounds pain
little tree
me when I have to lock in and write my books.........
little tree
that sounds pain
part of why kh2 makes the challenge feasible is the existence of damage floors
so even if your stats are low, most enemies are obligated to receive a minimum amount of damage, so that you don't deal cheap damage
there's also the damage ceiling for normal runs, where your stats will have a different cap for each enemy, making it impossible to one shot bosses for example
whole tinsel
I quit kh1 after 10hrs
little tree
didn't click?
whole tinsel
Pretty much yeah, i was playing for story but didnt really grab me
i quit after tarzan jungle place
crystal bramble
i dropped xc1 because of sidequest <:OMEGALUL:868140129523486810>
here is the thing, if you just do 100% without the ingame achievements, you are like 10-15 hours faster. Sidequests are done in a way that you naturally explore the area, so you unlock the fast travel points. I know, it's not everyone cup of tea and I understand the people who do not like it, still it could be way worse.
whole tinsel
lmao
little tree
Deep Jungle is my favorite World
I'm tied with Wonderland (because I absolutely adore Alice) and Hollow Bastion
queen island
it is okay? but the very fun options come too late in the progression, and there...
I've seen a lot of people saying that about 16, while praising DMC. But the thing is, you can also just mash A and clear any DMC game, the game doesn't force you to play at SSS rank and doesn't reward you for it in any meaningful way
little tree
I've seen a lot of people saying that about 16, while praising DMC. But the thin...
yeah that's also what puzzles me, because I'm not very versed in those games, so I would like to explore a bit more of the genre before having a completely formed opinion on that
queen island
The combat in 16 isn't perfect, and can be boring at the beginning of the game, but the combinations later in the game are fun to pull off
little tree
but yeah, I'll agree as I mentioned earlier, when you get the fun tools later on, the game gets really fun IF you really want it to be fun
otherwise you can just be boring and the game will remain boring
crystal bramble
Deep Jungle did something amazing many people don't catch on.
1: Introducing that you can have Disney party members, but HOW do you make the player swap out Donald and Goofy?
2: Introduce the conflict before you land in the world, Sora and Donald have different goals, so they "dislike" each other throughout the world, nudging the player to replace Donald with Tarzan.
3: Trinity? No issue, just complete the world, beat the boss and the world will be clear of heartless, maybe you find even treasure chests you missed before.
4: Tarzan is a very good party member because he is straight up a Paladin. high attack and access to cure. Combine that with Goofy's natural high defense and the world is a non-issue combat wise.
cobalt spade
here is the thing, if you just do 100% without the ingame achievements, you are ...
idk, i have like 50 hours into the game and i think im not 1/4 of the way through main story. i every few minutes i get a new sidequest and it keeps piling up and i keep running back and forth
little tree
I was all about using Shiva, a bit of Ramuh, Bahamut and Odin mostly
whole tinsel
Deep Jungle did something amazing many people don't catch on.
1: Introducing th...
I did not catch onto any of that because i was malding
cobalt spade
completely killed the pacing of the game for me
little tree
Deep Jungle did something amazing many people don't catch on.
1: Introducing th...
it's funny how most of it is "ignored" by the fact that navigating the place is confusing at first
cobalt spade
and iirc alot of them were a fucking bore
like fetch quest and shit
you can say "skip" them sure but i was stubborn back then and wanted to clear everything
crystal bramble
you do them naturally, but I missed something permanently missable and had to re-do my 80 hour save file for Xenoblade 1 DE
I reached the same point, including achievements, in about 50 hours
no cutscene skip
crystal bramble
it's funny how most of it is "ignored" by the fact that navigating the place is ...
Which is because Nomura wanted Mario 64 in his own vision
little tree
yeah
I remember that
platforming in kh1 is kind of fun when you get the hang of it
the classic keyblade swing mid-air for extra distance
crystal bramble
The entire thing I wrote in text I do mention in my fun facts video for KH1
cobalt spade
idk what you mean by do them naturally
i was picking up every available quest
and going through the game
but it kept piling up
also alot of running around
crystal bramble
if you explore the world and fight the mobs on the side you clear them all without having to go out of your way, and sometimes they lead you to spots you might have not found otherwise, because in Xenoblade 1 you had to explore, no arrows/compass to lead you to the quest location
DE eased up on that
cobalt spade
idk didnt felt that way to me
i recall going through a cave to get to the next story point, but before that i had to run all over the place to finish up other sidequests
so what, i was just playing the game wrong or? 
crystal bramble
ye lock in and play KH2FM CRITICAL MODE LV1 KINGDOM KEY ONLY
Doesn't matter what Keyblade you have equipped
most fights are about the same length on lv.1
you can save 30-60 seconds depending on which boss
like Deep Abyss for Data Axel
little tree
30s is huge
crystal bramble
I quit kh1 after 10hrs
To that. Yes the playtime here is mostly just KH1, I have one save file with maxed out timer
whole tinsel
wtf
little tree
To that. ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhbrz-uwgg||
clean stuff
crystal bramble
Because I needed to do it for the fun facts video
crystal bramble
clean stuff
Version 2 I also recorded used Pumpkin and was 20 seconds slower
lol
cobalt spade
i dont have any games that long
little tree
unironically, the game I spent the most time on must be ff14
something like the equivalent of 2 years non stop
so around 17K hours
whole tinsel
90% of the time im on steam i see u on it
crystal bramble
I really need to get over that BBS 100% man
I need to do that as well, but currently playing through the Free Flow mod for KH2
cobalt spade
is that devil may cry's sister game, never may cry?
little tree
pretty much actually
kh2 but with the dmc sauce
chat am I cooked
damn high school days
little tree
around 2013 for me
whole tinsel
chat am I cooked
That is cooked
crystal bramble
chat am I cooked
I mean I'm not much better
I started ER last year
already over 1k hours just because I play almost daily in the evening
cobalt spade
ahri otp back in the day
i cant say for certain who i main, because i may or may not be cringe. 
you know how im an assassin enjoyer in mmos
yea...........
crystal bramble
I was a Wukong main when I played League
little tree
you know how im an assassin enjoyer in mmos
I actually picked up Zed before Ahri for the same reason as you
crystal bramble
I remember the day Zed released, I had so much fun with Talon that day, it was constant just Talon vs Zed matchup on middle lane
little tree
KH is peak autism
cobalt spade
this is my one and only zed pentakill from YEARS AND YEARS of being a zed main. 
cobalt spade
I remember the day Zed released, I had so much fun with Talon that day, it was c...
old talon 
cobalt spade
no
crystal bramble
my favorite moment that stuck with me
I played duoQ with a friend
he played Skarner
and at one point suddenly someone from the enemy team goes "you ugly scorpion fuck"
I had to laugh so hard I lost my lane because of it
I couldn't concentrate anymore
little tree
I did not like that season
funniest thing is how I switched from Ahri to Gwen and started farming people on the sidelane like crazy
crystal bramble
League has some funny moments
little tree
back in me day, Ahri wasn't that popular
then they reworked her, and everyone started banning or playing her
and now Gwen is meh
crystal bramble
I played during season 2-5
so I remember just the balancing being all overt he place
cobalt spade
ive been through all metas
lets just say as an assassin main
i did not appreciate ardent censor meta
little tree
cobalt spade
little tree
i did not appreciate ardent censor meta
Janna speedrunning the ardent was one of the times
little tree
you are now the 2nd person I know that loves dolls
Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria nurtured my obsession for dolls and puppets
cobalt spade
little tree
maybe gbf Cagliostro and Orchid a bit too in a sense
little tree
imagine playing an adc
crystal bramble
ADCs die
are ADCs still the most toxic people ever in league? Back then they could be solo, die from 2 enemies and blame the ENTIRE team except themselves for being solo
and that is the harmless version
lmao
cobalt spade
well
times have changed
most adcs are actually decent
but their toxicity is sometimes warranted
because supports run the game these days
cobalt spade
ADC 
crystal bramble
and I guess some troll games where me and a premade went Blitzcrank/Thresh bottom
crystal bramble
lol
But I'm surprised
when I look at League (and 1-2 years ago Smite) nowadays
the game feels oddly so slow
it felt a lot faster when I played
cobalt spade
oh hell nah
games are super fast now
average game time across all regions has gone down
game is extremely snowbally
crystal bramble
oh no more 40 minutes because surrendering was always declined
cobalt spade
idk unless the game is hyper close or super troll by both sides
game is honestly
for the most part
decided by minute 5
little tree
most games are a big coinflip of whether or not you're playing with or against asylum escapees 💀
whole tinsel
Its funny because every moba players says that about other players
cobalt spade
recent years ive chilled and just focused on myself lmao
i just mute all and play bangers
cobalt spade
whole tinsel
Saint
little tree
finding them old clips
I remember a couple of my penta being stolen by that very same Bard 💀
cobalt spade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836405357626523681/1165103033097658378/Le...
heres a stolen penta of mine too 
little tree
heres a stolen penta of mine too <:xdd:1339658626075459594>
certified haiya moment
cobalt spade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834281487846866944/947644804605542500/Lea...
YONE BANANA COMBO
little tree
yone missing everything and still winning will never be a lost art
cobalt spade
livid elbow
its almost 12am in Korea release lost ark 2 annoucement
little tree
have nikke 2 instead
queen island
kh4 launch date shadow dropped
timid badger
steady fable
little tree
the philosophers' table
little tree
we should all play dmc2
little tree
livid elbow
the philosophers' table
cobalt spade
livid elbow
kafrizzle for the boomer executives
little tree
the special kafrizzle cast for when they refuse to remake dq9
livid elbow
they will just matter of time i would imagine chrono trigger hd 2d is their no.1 priority now :copium:
little tree
dq12 on the edge of existence
livid elbow
from the interview i seen high possibility that dq12 might have multiple ending
little tree
that wouldn't be impossible, since dq11 could be considered to have multiple ones depending on where you stop
whole tinsel
Lets not go for multiple ending route
little tree
if it's done well I'm fine with it
what I'm really curious about is if they'll go for fixed characters or character creation like dq3 and 9
cobalt spade
Multiple ending is ok if i dont need to play through the same shit over and over
Like maybe relod the save and a new sidequest unlocks for anothet ending
That is ok
If you pull a fe3h
Im crine
little tree
dq11's approach was interesting
livid elbow
it could ve done well if they help you autosave at the right point
little tree
you either stopped where you were and accepted that ending, or you continued towards the "true" one
whole tinsel
i did not like that approach
livid elbow
yeah that's the octopath 1 and 2 approach it is what it is kinda hoped it wouldn't be
like 15% of the story
little tree
octopath 1 and 2 do have one single ending tho
cobalt spade
i did not like that approach
I prefer stuff like cs4, but in general i just dont want to do alot of replaying or backtracking for multiple endings
livid elbow
you have true and truer ending
little tree
just that in 1, it's locked behind a superboss
livid elbow
not multiple routes per se
cobalt spade
If by default there is multiple endings, i'll just go true ending always
little tree
in 2 they separated the superboss for side content