No PC Beta

[pseudo perch]

[glossy fox]

pc version gonna be flawless trust

no more falling trough the floor and such

[pale swift]

@stray perch form your alliance here

[stray perch]

@sour spear @gloomy cove @fringe hull

[pale swift]

-# @fringe hull aren't you on a Quest 3?

Isn't BoBo also on a quest??

[gloomy cove]

I'm here to rise up

[stray perch]

Yeah but he has his own reasons for not playing standalone ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

Isn't @proper hare an Index user?

[raven lily]

I hate this headset, I rly hope the beta drops at some point on pc

But if I have to wait, whatevs, I'm just happy with the sneak-peek

For now, we remain segregated by technology 💔

[gloomy cove]

@hollow finch hi you're one of us

[marsh basin]

Since I'm a wannabe content creator, do I count?

[gloomy cove]

We're stuck on PCVR

Because we aren't on Quest

[marsh basin]

damn

[pale swift]

@fleet latch

[tough torrent]

add me to the alliance, index user

[final lake]

I wanna be able to feel the performance improvements on both and, yknow, bug search :P

[granite bronze]

1: some of us would like to try out the new version anyways.
2: some of us want to make sure possible pc only bugs are taken care of.
3: some of us want to make sure crossplay compatibility isnt being weird in any way.
4: bugs can show up anywhere for any reason, if there's a universal bug, a bigger testing base (especially those that have been around) would be able to see whats a bug vs a change.

[glossy fox]

Quest headsets are 4 different headsets pcvr has a lot a lot of fifferent headsets something is bound to go wrong with one of them

[rapid fossil]

-# I'm mostly interested in modding the PCVR beta
I mean yeah we need to test the PCVR version as well, it could have bugs that the standalone build doesn't have!

[pale swift]

This is a good point. Not just different headsets, different PC specs too each aspect being different.

I've been noticing client rounds on Quest feel good but I'm realizing that it's because it's consistent.

The people I'm playing either have a Quest 3 or a Quest 2 This provides a really consistent experience because practically everyone has the same performance

But still would be good to try it on PC even less optimized

[glossy fox]

I heard that the pc version just isnt ready yet so that'd make sense but i hope we get it when its done at least

[pale swift]

I hope they beta test the PC version before just releasing it to everybody

[tough torrent]

considering this a bit further, it is possible that standalone -> pc crossplay still isn't fully working

[fringe hull]

I mean even if cross play isn’t working just yet, surely we could still test the game for performance even in the gym right..?

Or like just fight other pcvr players or something

[proper hare]

yes

il join the alliance :3

I really want parry stasis back when it inevitably comes to pc tho

[fleet latch]

@pale swift

[fleet latch]

Also just now read the thread, I have a quest 2

[fading jasper]

Wait their making PCvr look like quest I just hope they make the cubelaunches normal again

[granite bronze]

#rumble-talk message

[granite bronze]

They are aware and it is because they did a major version upgrade to the engine, so it's the engine that changed things and they need to pinpoint what they need to change to replicate what they had.

[hollow finch]

yipee

[fleet latch]

They're doing what

[fast lichen]

That's right, both versions of the game will have the same style, and the current look of the game on PC will be updated to that of the look that's featured in the Standalone Beta.

The PCVR version will of course have graphical elements that are greatly enhanced or entirely missing from the Standalone version.

Much higher texture resolutions, post processing effects, dropshadows, those kinds of things

And you will most likely experience a very large jump in framerate compared to current PC RUMBLE.

[hollow finch]

Yooo

Hopefully I can record with f10 cam workout too bad frame dips

[fast lichen]

I believe Kaj got over 200FPS last time he tested it, but that was a while back

[pseudo perch]

[marsh basin]

Could we get some sort of PC Specs?

[vast ember]

the lack of a pc beta released alongside the quest beta somehow (as if i hadnt said something like this would happen) has led to a tournament getting derailed. thanks for "listening to feedback" guys, love ya!

im pcvr only (because thats a real demographic of players, guys, not everyone has or wants a quest) and my opponent (im not throwing them under the bus im just proving a point) cant access their pc in time for their match with me, but already got someone that, again, is a pc player, with current pc muscle memory, to go ahead with their match on standalone before they even hit blackbelt on quest. could this have been avoided? yes. would the beta on pc have prevented the issue? not completely. will we salvage it anyway in a non-ideal way? either by having the match way later than it should be or by a forfeit. this sucks in every possible way but

oh, you know, testing all possible consequences, even non technical ones, between the pc and standalone versions is totally unnecessary right guys???

RIGHT GUYS????

[pale swift]

I mean I think they should have released the PC beta but to me, that's nothing to do with the beta and all on your opponent for not securing a time where they can access their PC and on your opponent's opponent for accepting a match before hitting blackbelt

Like if standalone beta never released, your opponent would still not be on their PC anyway

[vast ember]

while that is true, again, this still is a non-technical consequence of two separate versions on two separate platforms not being able to interact whatsoever during the beta period

im not disagreeing with you sound, though the decision to not release a main platform beta with the port platform beta may carry more consequence going forward than just a messy tournament

standalone full release week (probably few months considering their update cycle) is gonna be messy if things arent actually tested, even if the devs are absolutely certain the versions are identical, they cant be certain of their interaction until wider testing is done with actual experienced players that can stress game systems like we do

discjump could cause a desync between quest and pc for all we know (just a random absurd example, i know that specifically wont happen, but something equally common could be a trigger of something fucky)

[pale swift]

That part I agree with. I definitely hope that there's more beta versions coming and with both platforms because from their responses in other issues, I don't think they even plan to make fixes to this version.

[vast ember]

thats what im afraid of too...

suckiest part is all the fuckery comes mostly from the unity version """upgrade"""

oh but, you know, its perfect already! waow theyre already getting 200+fps woaaaaaahhhhh guys STOP DEFLECTING

I DONT CARE HOW LONG THE BETA PERIOD ENDS UP BECOMING IF WE HAVE A FEW MORE BETA VERSIONS TO IRON THINGS OUT

like its not like this game isnt still early access anyway, 3 years after it dropped

we can wait for the beta label to just be "standalone early access" too its just words

we're already pc beta testers lmao

with no connection to standalone beta...

[rapid fossil]

Have I missed something? Where is the negativity coming from? Didn't the devs say that they didn't release the PCVR beta because it simply wasn't ready yet?

[vast ember]

yes, they did say that, and i accept that as a reason as to why they havent done it, but the whole point of a beta is checking what unforseen changes have happened when the game mechanics are stressed

[royal coral]

yeah but. it's not like it's fully releasing in standalone the moment the open beta ends.

I'd assume there are still at least a few months to go before the update

[vast ember]

again, im aware, just like the pc version isnt technically "out" considering the early access label

until we have the pc beta out theres gonna be a bit of confusion (mostly caused by people thinking its okay to use a standalone exclusive version of the game in a tournament setting) and a lot of chaos when the pcvr beta drops

its already a beta, neither are "done"

[royal coral]

yeah, but pcvr is still a more stable version

[vast ember]

...yes, hence why the new one needs to be tested alongside the standalone version

like im not a dev, but nothing about this makes sense other than the devs prioritizing the standalone versions beta so they have some form of rumble ready for the holidays

[royal coral]

true, it does. But as the devs said, the pc version isn't quite fully playable yet.
I half expect there to be a testing phase for crossplay and a pcvr beta eventually. And yeah, a probable reason they prioritized the standalone version is because it's both more work and actually expands the number of people who can play the game

[vast ember]

yes i know they said its not fully playable yet, i get that, im actually following this stuff, shocker i know

i know there will be a testing phase soon

[royal coral]

Is the core of your issue that currently standalone and pcvr are separate versions and there's no crossplay? I don't fully understand lol. You talk about how it needs a pc beta while also saying you know there will be a pc beta eventually?

[vast ember]

im still upset that the lack of even the option was a planned part of all of this, and i hope they understand itll more than likely make a fuck of a lot more work for them later on

[vast ember]

nah, refer to my first post here today, it fucked with my spot in a tournament

a small one for fun, yes, but one thats still already in a liiiitle bit of chaos in being so unstructured

not a technical issue, yes, but a consequence of their mishandling of the beta process anyway

im pcvr only, i dont have nor want a standalone headset, we dont know yet how there being people like me (a real demographic of vr users) will affect the next year of rumble after standalone release considering their update cycle

even after there is cross-networking

does that make sense?

[royal coral]

I don't see how that could affect you, honestly. I'm planning on getting a pcvr only headset before the end of next year and highly prefer the pcvr option. Are you worried they'll stop supporting pcvr/somehow pcvr will be at a disadvantage?

[vast ember]

...read more ffs

[vast ember]

read from here

[royal coral]

like sure. the split caused a misunderstanding and other issues with a tournament. How is that going to cause anything once the versions are unified?

[vast ember]

walls of text, as it turn out, hold information pertinent to the conversation at hand

[royal coral]

I have.

please stop implying that I have not read the conversation, I am just trying to understand you

[vast ember]

ok, do you remember why they removed wavedash?

[royal coral]

I don't know that, that's before my time. IIRC it was due to it causing a lot of client/server desync

[vast ember]

yes.

it was a relatively simple action that was cool as hell that caused networking issues

it didnt make sense why it did whatsoever

but it did

[royal coral]

ok and you're saying you're worried there will be more issues with crossplay

ok I see that

[vast ember]

we dont know what issues like that could already be in the game, hence the requirement for it to be tested early on to keep the game stable between versions

if they make more changes to both the standalone and pc versions, even if theyre the same changes, they cant be sure of their interactions across platforms

[royal coral]

yes, which is why I'm saying they'll probably have a pcvr beta

if not, yeah that could totally happen

[vast ember]

theyve already made more work for themselves by not releasing them at the same time how are you not getting this

more work for them means their usual months long update cycle for simple things will get stretched even longer

even more things might break, more code might spaghettify

does this make sense to you?

[royal coral]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't a pcvr beta right now, but maybe not one qutie ready for public access yet

[vast ember]

well duh

like no shit

[royal coral]

here's another potential point- as they've released the standalone first, and made it solo, they have a chance to patch issues that arise solely from the engine update rather than crossplay issues

[jovial aspen]

I agree that they should have released a pcvr beta

[royal coral]

yeah same

[jovial aspen]

But I also think that Sle is trying to find something to blame the tournament on

[gloomy cove]

I mean, yeah it's frustrating that we can't play the beta if we're locked to PC, but assuming that they aren't touching the game for a few weeks, it makes sense to just drop the beta even if it isn't ready for us, and at least have some feedback to collect during that time vs absolutely waiting for a PCVR beta which prevents any bug reports for longer.

The tournament part sucks, sure, but really I don't see how someone signing up for a PC tournament and not being able to play VR is related in any way to the beta. I heard your point, but I don't really see how it relates.

[vast ember]

i woke up to pings from that but i promise you thats not the only reason

ive been saying this stuff since they dropped the standalone beta

ive also felt we've been painfully ignored about specifically the implications of the pc beta delay

the tournament part was half bit half minor frustration, its not actually that important to me and we already sorted it out

[jovial aspen]

It seems to me like you've been more negative about it since your tournament stuff

[vast ember]

yeah 2 hours ago when i woke up today cuz it was fresh on my mind...

i know what ur getting at and its fair, it does look like that, but seriously its not about the tournament jack

thanks for trying to analyze me like that tho not many people do🤍

yknow maybe i shouldve caffeinated more before ranting

[royal coral]

I think that it won't be that big of an issue honestly.
Sure, it could be disastrous and then you can totally call me a foolish cabbage, but honestly?
The devs have made up their mind and the beta's been rolled out like this. I don't think there's much point beyond saying that not testing the pc beta early could mean there's slight differences due to hardware changes that won't get caught until it's too late. Worst realistic case that I can think of, some cool tech has to be patched because it breaks the game or the devs have more work to do to get the game to work if it's something too integral. People will adapt to the change and carry on.
And hopefully, the devs read this and proceed with it in mind for future similar changes

[granite bronze]

and worst case scenario, if truly unplayable, they can revert versions. If partly broken, it'll light a fire for them to patch that.

[pseudo perch]

Not having PC beta is annoying sle, but that reaction is so unnecessary

[vast ember]

yknow what thats fair

...but if i was right pls dont minimize that

for funny reasons of course

[granite bronze]

I would say the frustration that there is no PCVRBeta is fair and understandable. we get to see but not taste? even after already buying the game. BUT 1 step at a time is important here. Just because we see the finish line, it doesn't mean things should get rushed. They even stated that the PCVR isn't even ready for a beta. That finish line might be slightly farther down the road than most expect. But they have cooked and we see that. now let them cook a little longer. it'll be worth it.

[royal coral]

this !

[vast ember]

i mean yeah, this game is like the mushrooms of video games. delicious and cant be overcooked. ill chill a bit but my concerns are still at least valid ok

[granite bronze]

@vast ember these are my reasons for wanting a pcvr beta

[vast ember]

those are all my main reasons too dont get me wrong! im just bad at actually communicating what i mean sometimes lol

words are hard, thought is easy, you have more of the dev brain to actually communicate this stuff

[tough torrent]

I will be so real, your tournament match should NOT have been affected by this. If your opponent can’t make it to their pc, they forfeit the match or reschedule under most circumstances, the beta has bugs and shouldn’t be considered tournament legal - especially if you don’t have muscle memory built.

I dunno who’s running the tourney you’re in rn, but I guarantee @stuck crow would NOT have let that shit slide if he were the organiser

[vast ember]

...bruh i really shouldve caffeinated before ranting today

ur right, and the tournament bit was a joke mostly, just really inconvenient with the circumstances

we already sorted it out anyway

[tough torrent]

Yeah fair enough, just threw in my 2¢ like hours later before reading the whole conversation lmao

[stuck crow]

The bottom line is it isnt the betas fault… it’s the competitor

But thank you for the shoutout

Brisbane holiday ended, got some things lined up for MM2

[austere flame]

horse taka

[fast lichen]

You're welcome.

[marsh basin]

guh

I was writing a response to the conversation and was about to give my two cents

but I'm not sure how my piece comes off in terms of tone.

All I want to mention is that porting to quest took a LOT of effort, and will take lots of effort moving forward.

It isn't easy to just do that.

[willow fog]

justified response

I think you guys have been doing a very good job in terms of communication this time around

[pseudo perch]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-just-so-peak-peak-panda-peak-panda-it's-just-so-peak-gif-10789048890486755182

[vast ember]

i just feel terrible now yall really are doing great, and im sure u know what ur doing with not testing pc interaction

[glossy fox]

Thanks to you my cat jumped out the window