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We can yeah
im confident tho
foyth is going to villareal
But lopetegui won't be on the sidelines
So what does that mean?
Wdym
So does that mean the players can’t get intructions
Lmao won’t happen
r u crazy?
Camp nou
True
we don't lose at home
Last time under valverde we defeated 4-1
1-2 osasuna
That was under Setien
Valverde beat Sevilla 4-0 last season
And then 6-1
Nah Sevilla didn’t score
Their best chance was when chichorito hit off the post
Hopefully the lenglet appeal is successful
It's questionable to have Pique and Araujo play together bc both play on the right
Pique and araujo duo is great
Whenever they played together at the back
It’s amazing
But pique, the legend he is, moved to the left so Araujo could be comfortable when he came on the other day
We rarely concede when we have pique and araujo at the back
We selling todibo
He’s going to Fulham
They wnna secure Todibo funds asap to get Garcia now
Yes
But Garcia won’t be a starter
Todibo accept it
Todibo isn't either
Well he should just accept it
I mean we have araujo
This is getting way more complicated
He isn’t scared to go in for tackles
Ye
He isn’t scared to get injured
He’s like 🦍
He always goes for the ball whenever needed

He never quits on running after the attacker
He always chases the attacker until he gets the ball
I forgot Mingo existed for a bit lmfao
Araujo is amazing
@lime mica he's only existed for like a week lol
Mingo Ramos
Ramos is a RB right?
CB
I saw him in FM but then I forgot lmao
CB?
His name
Dam
But Mingo Ramos is cb
Is Mingo Ramos
I thought he was a RB
Lol no
cuz we didn’t have a backup for Roberto
@hybrid python his shirt says mingo so I'ma call him that
Lmao
Oh his shirt says Mingo?
Ye
I’ll start calling him that also
Dest will get that spot
Yeah bc Dest has only trained for a few days
Many people started criticising him with his presentation
Individual training too
Dest will prob start vs Getafe
Yeah maybe
After the break
Wdym
Before break?
Before the break
Lol yea
I hope we can make it three wins
okay lets get the W yes
Valencia, Villarreal, Real Madrid, and Getafe have to drop points
And Barca need to win
im very confident after seeing our performance so far
That’s the way to go 1st before the break
Madrid will drop
Me too
It’s levante away
Remember betis
Nightmare for them
Last year they lost
Levante is like celta Vigo for them
Moraeles always scores
🔥
Campana got chosen for Lucho Spain squad
He would be looking to draw blood against Madrid
To prove why he was chosen
Dayumn he needs to score a goal 
Mayoral going against his former club
And rochina will be looking to draw blood also
Ofc he would like to as he is a former Barca player
Mayoral going against his former club
@round star
I think he signed for roma today
Yes
Lenglets appeal got denied
Araujo and Pique will be the defence vs Sevilla
SURELY...SURELY if Todibo is still here..he will be on the bench
ohh
Fr?
@round star on loan
Araujo and Pique will be the defence vs Sevilla
@feral palm 💪 Araujo is very good
Great work by Garci Pimienta
yeah
he was not very good when he came in
but he has been very good this season
so I hope he has a good match against Sev
Who’s barca playing next?
sev on 5th
Cool
4th depending on time zones
Sorry but need sevilla to win 
Sorry but need sevilla to win
@summer garden make sense
@summer garden madrid playing against?
@summer garden madrid playing against?
@torn ermine levante on 4 oct
Barcelona vs Ferencvarosi: 20th October
Juventus vs Barcelona: 28th October
Barcelona vs Dynamo Kiev: 4th November
Dynamo Kiev vs Barcelona: 24th November
Ferencvarosi vs Barcelona: 2nd December
Barcelona vs Juventus: 8th December
im excited
we gonna be
tired af though
2 big games in one week
we probably going to have to rotate the game a little
yeah
Lets go lads
im very confident just because of our performance so far, hope we can keep this up
the sevilla game will be a nice test for us
El Clasico Lineup
MATS • Alba • Lenglet • Pique • Roberto • Frenkie • Busquets • Coutinho • Ansu • Messi • Trincao
Juventus Lineup
MATS • Alba • Lenglet • Pique • Dest • Frenkie • Pjanic • Coutinho • Dembele • Griezmann • Messi
We rlly gotta use our rotation smartly
maybe neto in for one match
and trincao in place of coutinho for 1 match but we gotta change our formation then
the el clasico will be intense
MATS is available till that time?
MATS will be back after international break we think
i read an article which said that he isn't expected until the end of this month
Messi and Coutinho won’t play for el clasico
oh 😂
Coutinho as well
yeah gotta change our formation then
oh shit, why during el clasico day? 
Vinicius?
vini?
Didn't he get called up
oh
F
and also any specific reason why south americans are going to be quarantined?
yeah
I mean they are not in brazil right?
But the whole South America is fucked
13 days
And Felipe
Quarantined
Yup
YOO
13 days
@heavy flint nice username lol 😂
Good they didn’t do it for European countries
Madrid will no have kroos,Carvajal injured,Hazard injured
Good they didn’t do it for European countries
@round star it is because of the european union travel bubble
How long?
Kroos injured?
1 months
Oh wow
wow

They still have odegaard tho
he is real important for madrid
sad but good for us 
you mean odeegard?
Reports coming out from Barcelona that bartomeu could likely resign ON MONDAY when they announce the successful motion of no confidence
I hope so
nice
Imagine Pepe injured Ramos for 3 weeks
I just hope Ansu doesn’t get injured or corona along the way
No
We need him for el clasico
Ansu is gem
Ansu 😍
Reports coming out from Barcelona that bartomeu could likely resign ON MONDAY when they announce the successful motion of no confidence
@feral palm ffs man has no shame
same
imagine trading ansu for zlatan 
Cuz he will be rusty
Neto will start obv
Yeah
Whatever I've seen far from neto he deserves
Mats can start against Alaves
Neto has been good despite having less game time before, im impressed
yeah he is pretty good
Made many good saves yesterday
yeah he was almost leaving this summer due to lack of gametime
Lmao no
but then we had inaki and arnau
Stay
🏠 04 October: Sevilla
🛫 18 October: Getafe
🏠 20 October: Ferencváros
🏠 25 October: Real Madrid
🛫 28 October: Juventus
Bring it on
Koeman better use the two weeks of international duty to prepare everyone who's not going
the trainings are very intense
Obviously
the days between Juve and Real will be probably off days or single sessions only
koeman so far so good ig. Training has been intense
He is just straightforward and makes sense not like the coaches we had
valverde and setien 
He doesn't even get scared about his players
agreed, also about the whole privilege thing
Like he just fuckin says we want to sell him man that's too lit ..
Koeman has his legend status for barca, so he has the right to do that, even to messi
No one has that balls mahn
Neto, MATS, Alba, Firpo, Pique, Umtiti, Dest, Fernandes, Alena, Rafinha, Dembele 🤞🏻+ Tenas, Mingo, Miranda, Ilaix, Konrad
Those are the players Koeman will have during international break
nice
oh interesting there
Next La masia prospect is illaix
and Konrad
yeah more with the hospital than with koeman but 🤷♂️
Alex Collado good? 🤔
he is a pro baller
Wait stegen coming so soon?
Konrad - Maia - Collado
With Ilaix behind... exciting
Yeah but they don't know shit
He's a baller in all the games of Barca b I've watched
3 goals and 2 assists in like 2 games
💪
give him a new contract and maybe next year, he goes in to the first team
his contract has only 1 yr left now
yup
Oh shit
What
Reports saying that Koeman is considering developing one of our forwards into a left back
Konrad
Yep
I don't hate the idea...
Me too
Dest was a winger
When he was 17
Now he plays as A RB
So not a bad idea playing konrad as A LB
Dest: "I'm never nervous, I can juggle a ball pretty well so I'm not afraid to mess up my presentation."
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Barça's new €26m signing Sergiño Dest https://t.co/3xAXCjLfQt
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Lmao yep
YES
No daily roundup today I had some allergic reactions and need to just lie down tonight, sorry, I'll be back on them tomorrow
¿El Celta de Vigo se queda o vende Iago Aspas
Almeria already found their Darwin Nunez replacement
e
Reports saying that Koeman is considering developing one of our forwards into a left back
@feral palm not a bad idea
considering his pace, it would help us
He is more of a wing back rather than a LB
attacking LB then?
Something similiar
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I've met Albert Roca
Fulham are pushing to convince Todibo, after €18m bid submitted to Barcelona [he’s the #1 target]. Negotiations on also for Colley [no agreement yet].
Barça hope Todibo will change his mind about #FFC so they can increase the bid to Man City for Eric Garcia. 🚨 #MCFC #FCB
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Pep Guardiola: "Eric García? I know he wants to leave and that Barcelona want him but there is no deal between the clubs right now. How it’s going to finish I don’t know." [via @City_Xtra]
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Whos got the best defence in la liga rn
Whos got the best defence in la liga rn
@thin ivy atletico?
Ah
@thin ivy atletico?
@torn ermine With their tactics, they play 11 men behind the line
So it's the best defence by default
yeah lol
Atletico imo
Savic, Gimenez are solid rocks
Hermoso, Felipe, Trippier and Lodi are pretty good as well
also Getafe didn't concede any goals this season
Sevilla has been good so far...
Escudero is not nearly as good as Reguilon tho
Anyways it's too early to pick the best defence since most teams have played only 2-3 games
@grim thicket odri injured
Wtf
Yes
Oh ffs
I was kinda looking forward to seeing him play knowing that he probably won’t be subbed off
Nah
We always lost or drew to Betis away, but we managed that
For sure we won't be 'battered' it's prilly gonna be a tough draw tho
We have Nacho as the other backup RB
When did Mendy get injured?
messi seems good this season but i dont wanna be sure, just want fartomeu gone😐
Mendy ain’t injured
Yes he is
No he isnt
??
Source?
Wut?

Lol
My friends group chat told me on Instagram
Lol
people make mistake, chill chill
That mendy injured 
Wish that happens
.....
Odri ain't very serious tho
Yah only 1 game
odriozola, interesting 
Miltao should start as a RB
I'd prefer nacho
Well nacho hasn't played
Mendy played RB once too
He just came from his injury
Ya maybe Mendy can play rb altho he isn't very comfortable
It'll eithe the nacho or militao
Left footed
God I hope it isn't lord LV
Ya Marcelo has declined now
Marcelo still has that flair tho, that dribble last game was precious
He couldn't just finish it
I don't think he can last a full gamr
Last time he tried to play full 90mins was prolly against eibar
Just after lockdown
He had fitness issues
Marcelo Bielsa [2019]:
"When I was coach of Bilbao, we played Barcelona in the final and lost 3-0. I gave all the info I had on Barça to Guardiola - he had a look at it and he told me 'you know more about Barcelona than me!'."
#MCFC | #LEEMCI | #ManCity https://t.co/suDRi6R...
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Scenes when Bielsa defeats Guardiola
Don't say that
I felt bad for him yesterday
He said in the press that his mom passed away and he's quite sad
I think if Pep loses the PL again this szn, he getting fired
Well personal issues aside, I don't know why but I don't like Pep
Why? Pep hasn't made any good signings for City in some time now
Neither have justified their price tag yet
Mahrez doesn't even start for City
Well sometimes he does
Cmon rodri has justified
I'd say rodri needs more time
Mahrez lol
How much was tht transfer for?
60

💉
And city have a huge budget, compared to that Barca's budget is a lot lower
So I think for all the good tactician he is, Pep isn't good on the market
That'll take a long long time bruh
I think if Pep loses the PL again this szn, he getting fired
@grim thicket it's his last year of contract anyway
Ludovit Reis loaned to Osnabruk in the German second division
good good, he will get some experience as well
yeah they call it 2. bundesliga

haha milan
yup, but I wanna see what happens on the 4th
sev is pretty good
and that would be a good test for the team
Once/If Todibo accepts the offer [€18M] and agrees personal terms with Fulham, then this will definitely help Barcelona to acquire Eric Garcia who remains as a priority. 🇪🇸🇫🇷 https://t.co/JiT1PctjsU
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also we will see Raki tomorrow
@grave glen ik you support a second club, but lets just keep it to yourself 
ik
dw
its been a long time since i saw you @grave glen
what? salary or value?

ohh
yeah if you afk, ofc you lose value
yes
sevilla is the real test now
but im confident
I’ll go for 3-0
we convert our chances pretty good recently
Clean sheet
Ikr let see
Tomorrow’s game
If we scored more than 3 then that will be just boost
Ye
And only 2 or 3 days rests
at least its not the first game
and barca's home game is last in the group
that will be the really interesting one
wait ferencavos from which league?
Against Ferencavos I mean
hungary
ohh okay
think of it as some cadiz/alaves.. you know, the teams barca beats 8-0 when they are out of form :P
They only have that 1 guy tokmac
He scored that against Napoli
yeah a similar one
Similar style but absolutely class
he also sent koulibaly to heaven in that game
yeah
we almost conceded within 2 minutes
lorenzo insigne i think or the other guy they have
mertens
lol
that trophy is made for barca to win
so we always get 1 trophy every year 
Yes
F
Lol chill
Which means no Araujo for El Clasico
Ohh yes
He will miss el classico
So pique and lenglet
No rian
They have told them to quarantine for 5 days
Yooo
@grave glen
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Bruh AC milan on Career loan mode

Who cares how much he dribbles when he is literally the only one who scores for Juve
Dybala
free dybala from juve
Higuain missed a penalty 🤣
Higauin used to be
free dybala from juve, deserves better club
@torn ermine wanted him at Barca
Where is mandzukic nowadays?
he said it would be good but he plans on staying
Where is mandzukic nowadays?
@grim thicket saudi
or somewhere
he will get a new bigger contract from juve
I think we were linked with dybala in a swap deal with isco, before Perez said we won't ake anyy transfers this szn
for which discussions are ongoing now
I think we were linked with dybala in a swap deal with isco, before Perez said we won't ake anyy transfers this szn
@grim thicket kroos
not isco
It was either Isco or Kroos for dybala
I think they wanted Kroos which was why it was a deal-breaker
Wut??!
Dybala ain't leaving anytime soon :]
yep
after this extension, he'll be our 10 and captain after chiellini for a while
he is already the 10
Is Dybala still coming back from injury
yeah, hence the "for a while" :P
Oh yeah true @grave glen
technically he's ready to play, trained already with the team
they didnt wanna risk it like with lyon tho against roma
so he'll play this game i imagine
Marca wrote this 
:0
change your nickname 
yep 💪
and i aint depressed no more
@daring flint me too, im confident rn
:))
which we? @grave glen 
might get exposed man, careful 
JK JK
chill
lol
gl against haters @grave glen

yep I hope he gets on top soon 💪
nope
give him some time and first season at barca coming from atletico and scoring 14 goals is not bad
also the media caused a lot of problems between messi and grizzy initially
im still so happy with de jong outside foot pass
@torn ermine yay
would be a superb assist
exactly, the media literally made drama about messi and grizzy, while they are okay with each other
no lol
Messi was furious when grizzy came
@grave glen that is what the dumb media said
he was furious with the board not grizzy when he came
personally I don't want neymar back because of the way he left
we need a second CF now
we already have a RW
trincao, pedri
but that is not the formation we are playing in now
we played 4-2-3-1 in the game against celta
same against villareal
but we got a reddy
@grave glen might be useful, araujo is getting his chance
yeah we don't do that now, so chill
Gareth Bale ^^
🗣 — Lopetegui (Sevilla coach): "This Barça is sublime with a dose of new energy."
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Koeman: "Sevilla are strong and it will be a difficult game, but we play at home, we have two victories and we trust ourselves."
Koeman: "We want Eric García, but there are only a few days of the market left. Hopefully we can sign him, but the economic issue is complicated."
Facts
we sold him Nelson Semedo for a base price of 38 mn euros
and bought Dest for 5 mn initially
the club could raise the bid to 18 million 😔
let's keep the 10 mn aside
we don't get depay tho
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Koeman: "I can't say much about Dembélé, his presence depends on the rival and how he is in training. His future? I haven't yet seriously spoken to him about that."
the YT thing shows the match centre right?
not the games..?
nice
wow, koeman has been speaking at public openly
which clear all the doubts
nice to see it
Lmao
omg 🤣
Jorge Mendes has jumped on the Todibo deal
He wants to help get the deal done before deadline
And Trincao
yeah
Scenes when jorge sells todibo for 30M
good luck todibo 😔
brUh
where
loan
permanent transfer to fulham
for 16 mllion intitially
don't know if there any add ons
oh wait
they put in a 18 mn euros bid
BREAKING
Memphis Depay and Hassem Aouar will stay at Lyon. The Lyon management have closed negotiations as Jean-Michal Aulas said they would after Friday's deadline.
Source: RMC Sports 🥇
No Depay means Dembele stays
wow aouar stays
I think arsenals chance is gone now
tbh do you think our attack is enough already for current players? imo its enough, we need backline @feral palm
Bc next summer Juve, PSG, Real, City, maybe even Barcelona, will want to get him
I think it's good enough but we don't have any strikers other than Braithwaite
yeah true
Fati, Griezmann and Messi will have to make sure we don't miss a Striker
trincao can also play in all forward positions but he is best as a RW
so @feral palm any news on any contract extension with Lyon for Depay?
this was his last year
Lyon will try to extend the contract
But I don't think he's interested
And honestly I'm not sure if Barcelona will go for him again
I guess he knows it as well
Koeman has only 1 year and then there's this thing abt Xavi by Victor Font
yeah
But Lyon will want him to help get them to champions league or europa
if Koeman stays till then tho
But Lyon will want him to help get them to champions league or europa
@feral palm yeah
pretty sure Depay wanted to leave, this time they are not even in Europa 
Yeah so it's all really up to him
I think he'll leave but I'm not sure if Barcelona will want him
he wanted to move to Milan so I guess that is it for him
he wants to play with Zlat
im in dilemma now
Just in case if koeman win UCL this season, victor font take over, will he do something bad to koeman? 
someone asked this and his reply was "Xavi will take care of that"
Yes
also initially he said he will sack Koeman even if he wins the treble
He said that
I would like to see Joan Laporta
lol
Laporta said that he would get Pep or Garci Pimienta as the first team coach
I don't think he made any comments on Koeman tho
wtf
also initially he said he will sack Koeman even if he wins the treble
@spice magnet thats disrespectful
af
ik font is great with his upcoming project, but still
there was a lot of financial mismanagement in Laporta's time tho
ik font is great with his upcoming project, but still
@torn ermine bit worried abt Xavi tho
yeah
and now he has been doing good so far for us
yeah
imo font is a bit disrespectful here to koeman, cuz he is our legend as well
let's wait and see what happens but I am sure the fans will protest if he sacks Koeman later even if we win the league
No he didn’t said like
After I takeover Xavi will be the manager
Xavi got a contract with Al saad till June 2021
he might have a clause there to go and coach FCB like koeman had
or a small release clause to break the contract
He does
imo font is a bit disrespectful here to koeman, cuz he is our legend as well
@torn ermine
He cleared up what he said and made the point that he has his plan, and Xavi is his plan, it's a fair thing to say, but not everything goes according to plan
ahh okay
yep he prolly wasn't expecting another club legend to join
and i guess it was a barto certified masterclass move to appoint him
It was
barto has brains ngl
Evil genius
(🌕) BREAKING: Dembele will stay at Barcelona. @santiovalle #Transfers 🔥🚨🇫🇷
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se quedaa
HAHA
ya
Suarez 3 shots off target
0 shots on target
Next R9 ?
Nope
its almost done
bruh atletico
people saying we are going to finish 3rd
honestly they can just shut their mouth
🤐
people saying we are going to finish 3rd
@torn ermine masterpiece and his united kids
i mean he is okay when i joined the first time
now he is just trolling
also he said barca will finish 3rd, and barca is a "dead" club
man i miss the ogs of this server
@grave glen ik you man, i joined before the 8-2
There was also a celta Vigo fan
Ohh yes 
her name is F1uent iirc
What happened to her ?
banned
hating on mods
i dont expect her to do that either since she was so friendly to talk to
but apparently she is worse than i thought
yeah she was spaniard and celta vigo local

united fans are seriously deluded man, they said our club is dead, dusted. While their club struggle to even win an UEL

LOL YEAH

WTF atletico
DRAW 0-0
People really said atleti would finish above us🤣
Lmao
Smh
nice
tHey wIll wIn lA liga
good ebening
3 games 3 points 
seriously anybody saying ATM finishing above us are deluded af
have they even seen our match so far?
When does Elche-Huesca start?
@grave glen about 30 minutes
From 3 games
@opal sigil yup lol
they are 10th now
(🌕) BREAKING: Dembele will stay at Barcelona. @santiovalle #Transfers 🔥🚨🇫🇷
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DEMBOUZZZ
🔵 Eric Garcia has “some niggles in the hamstrings” which is why he isn’t playing in tonight’s game, says Guardiola. #Transfers 🇪🇸🤔
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yeah let them be
ℹ️ I wouldn’t really worry too much about it. He’s said the same thing for plenty of players in the past who ended up leaving. 😅
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only a loan deal
and ⛳
besides its home for him
vini
^ The most entertaining clown to ever exist
circus material
🎪
I am waiting for the Todibo deal to be made official and then I hope we can try and get Eric
is sociedad goal penalty?
okay
tbh this chat should be called FC Barcelona chat, 95% of users who chat here are Barca fans
@grave glen its not at the right time tbh. But yes majority of us talk more about barca
tbh this chat should be called FC Barcelona chat, 95% of users who chat here are Barca fans
@grave glen
Bruh
Fr
Atleti had everyone of us worried
They wouldn’t win shit if messi and ronaldo played for them
wdym
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Memphis Depay could still join Barcelona before Monday’s deadline, after the player agreed personal terms with Barça earlier this week. However Barça haven’t gotten the green light from LaLiga to be able to make an offer, which is currently blocking the deal. [l’equipe via @G...
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lol
with griezmann on the RW
u will stay for the winter market without a main ST
lol
lol
I hope they don’t sign him
I feel like it would be a good addition for barcelona tbf they cant spend much money and depay is almost out of contract
So Valencia got destroyed by Betis?
dub
Goodbye Barto
(🌕) Barcelona raises their proposal for Eric Garcia, and it reaches €15M with variables. 🇪🇸⚡️
Todibo continues to evaluate proposals. Dortmund has joined the race, but there are many doubts from his agent and the player himself over an exit. @EsportsRAC1 #Transfers 🇫🇷⏳
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Dortmund 🤔
swap deal for Gio Reyna would be sweet 
@opal sigil
Today they will submit a official bid
Source?
swap deal for Gio Reyna would be sweet
@spice magnet in your dreams
we arent selling lol
todibo also played for schalke
Lol
you will at some point, may not be to barca, but at some point he will be sold
(🌕) Barcelona made a new offer of €15M for Eric Garcia — still not sufficient enough according to City. @martinezferran #Transfers 🇪🇸⚠️ https://t.co/aTp1kHoqCl
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Fucking cityyy
city won't sell Eeic, they need him
15m for garcia is a bargain
Bruh no
Todibo hasn't even responded to fullham yet
still
They're going to give 15M€
No
It's not easy to say whether it'll be a winter deal or not because that all depends on injuries and stuff
Like if man City are 1st in the league come January and, for example, John stones is injured long term
They'll want to keep Garcia for the rest of the season
Todibo hasn't even responded to fullham yet
@hybrid python he doesn't want to go to that club
every other year, they come up and then go down to the second tier

Ya xddd
Meanwhile, Miranda does want to leave. Betis are interested in him but maybe more offers will arrive. [rac1]
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the bench for the same
hopefully
(🌕) Eric Garcia ⏩ Barcelona is getting complicated. Manchester City continues to demand €20M for him. Barcelona had offered €5M fixed + €10M in variables. @rac1 #Transfers 🚨🇪🇸⏳
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Things can turn, because he is still the priority for Barcelona, but right now it is complicated. The operation is not closed yet. @gerardromero #Transfers ⏳🇪🇸
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also Rafinha is staying
real madrid not getting anyone?
real madrid not getting anyone?
@coral matrix they havent signed anyone this season. Only odeegard and some back from loan
sad
Odriozola is back from Munich
mbappe should be at real





