is there a good hunter build thats not the punchy build?

[slender hinge]

is there a good ranged alternative hunter build thats not the liars punch build? something that would be viable in endgame content. omnioculus void? GG celestial? strand shuriken?

ik liars handshake build is probably the best and is decent for endgame content but im getting kinda tired of it. would like something with a different flavor and has some range to it

[slender hinge]

ok👍

any other viable options?

and yea, like u said its tolerable and fun, but it gets tiring

oh lucky pants i forgot about those loool.

im surpised ass isnt banned

is the strand whirling maelstrom any good? i think i remember it being decent when it came out? did it get nerfed?

seems pretty alright for pve except maybe master/grandmaster stuff where the damage might not be enough?

[vital swallow]

Its pretty good

My friend has been using gifted conviction and has been having fun

I wouldnt say its good but hes having fun so you might too

[slender hinge]

is there any exotic that goes well with it? cant rlly thing of one other that the new helmet that grants woven mail on grapple use

[slender hinge]

prismatic + the spinny jump?

think i saw plunder's build video on it, seems okay

[vital swallow]

Not really. Its pretty standalone. Good for a smal amount of passive dmg

[vital swallow]

My friend is boycotting pris but you certainly could do that

[slender hinge]

would u say ascension is better than whirling maelstrom?

im just looking for more viable builds in all content to mix things up from the melee build

[slender hinge]

is the damage really low/fall off hard in master+ content? never really used strand for any class much before

lightfall was boring

[loud pier]

if you're using Gifted Conviction then i'd say so because ascension will apply jolt while maelstrom is just flat damage

plus conviction gives you damage resist when you jolt stuff

[slender hinge]

ah gotcha

[loud pier]

i also prefer using Conviction on just pure Arc instead of Prismatic because of that one aspect that gives you increase dodge regen when you're amplified (i think it's flow state)

so you can legit do an Ascension like every five seconds if you're built that way

[slender hinge]

oh is the ascension cd tied to dodge cd?

[loud pier]

yeah ascension uses your dodge charge

[remote pulsar]

no

[loud pier]

?

[slender hinge]

i think its just an internal air dodge cd no?

[loud pier]

unless they changed it from when it was released then no it consumes your class ability

if they changed it then maybe but thats how it was when final shape dropped

it does use your class ability, i just checked

[frosty lark]

gyrfalcons with choir of one is funny too

[slender hinge]

those mods are for orbs on melee and weapon kills right?

pair it with the healig on orb pickup or smth?

[slender hinge]

i guess ill try both. kinda sad that theres no exotic for the whirling maelstrom. idk what id use honestly

[slender hinge]

ok quick dumb question kinda relating to foetracer, what is the difference between surge and overcharge

surge is a x% damage modifier to weapons of that class right? usually obtained by picking up orbs of power + armor mods?

but then theres also the overcharged armory perk on the artifact which idk what overcharge does

and i remember reading a few months ago how bungie removed or changed something with overcharge/surge and it made contents like dungeons much harder?

[vague prawn]

Ive used it in the fallen saber gm with arc conductor ergo and it cooked

[slender hinge]

activity surges mean all damage of that element is boosted right? does this stack with the weapon surge mods?

and what exactly is overcharge?

how do you mean?

[vague prawn]

The change was that they made it so you were always -5 power against enemies in raids, instead of 30+ above, and compensated by adding surges

Then they removed surges and brought every weapon up like they had surges

Problem is that the damage difference from +30 to -5 is bigger than the damage gain from surges regardless, hence why people said raids will be harder

[slender hinge]

ah yup, thats it. someone on reddit was complaining like crazy about it lol

so activity surges dont exist now?

does overcharge stack with weapon surge mods

gotcha

so what do u mean by not completely

[vague prawn]

not in raids or dungeons, yes in nightfalls

oh also master raids and dungeons still have them i think

oh and higher difficulty lost sectors