surges vs kickstart mods

[iron whale]

Whats peoples opinions on kickstart mods? since running them with surges is not great since you lose stacks I am trying to decide which to run

[versed fractal]

kickstart mods suck

[iron whale]

Depends on the kickstart mod i think i would not say surges are insane ether thats why i wanted to hear peoples thoughts

[versed fractal]

surges r pretty crazy ngl

up to 22% more dmg for bosses?

thats a significant amount more damage

theres a bunch of other armour mods that do what kickstart mods do better

[iron whale]

true but you also lose the nade and other energy on orb pick up mods from running surges also i was talking about general use not boss dmg

[versed fractal]

mods on ur arms legs and class item get ur abilitys back

[iron whale]

I think Dims percent for kickstart mods is wrong tho ngl i just tested it dim says its 30 percent for 3 charges i hardly got 1/5

[versed fractal]

also subclass stuff

yh theyre rly bad

[iron whale]

I did my math around dims numbers being correct and they were not

[wanton meteor]

dont use kickstarts unless you dont plan on doing any damage on that build

[warm falcon]

kickstart mods are great on certain builds like hoil/armamentarium pulse nade, contraverse lock, invi hunter etc.

for general use kickstarts, for metaslaving like this guy is saying.

just put on 3 surges on 1 boots and swap to it on dps phases for raid boss, but in gms/lost sectors etc, dont need it

[iron whale]

depending on if the build has a method of getting nade energy via kills i think surges can be betetr i run double surge on void lock since more devour kills = more hp and nade energy anyway