best shotgun archetype for double shotgun swap dps rotations?

[quasi vector]

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[maiden marsh]

You got 3 options: Slugs, Aggressives, and Lightweights.

Slugs are good for ones that you can defientily hit that crit spot (Kali being a prime examplle).

With lightweights, you need to make sure every single bullet hits.
Aggressives just need some way of reloading fast (holsters, RoF, RDM...) This being the lowest of the 3 in terms of DPS

DPS wise, lightweights are the best (with the conditions above) , but again, each archetype will shine in their unique scenarios.

[olive trout]

use slugs and the best combination being heritage with recon and recomb and nessas obligation with vorpal and recon

[unique marsh]

or a FILO with ALH/ vorpal for the energy slot

[tired copper]

nessas can match surges with tractor and filo can match surges with anarchy and hothead

[olive trout]

anarchy is old meta and hothead is out dpsed by apex so there is now point in using filo over nessas

[unique marsh]

If arc burn is on tho

[tired copper]

main question is though, where would you even double slug anymore?

[maiden marsh]

Kali

[tired copper]

true, i forgot that boss existed...

[maiden marsh]

Its mainly that headshot or precision shot

[warped siren]

The only bosses where double slug would out pace double pellet are techeun-esque bosses like kalli, shuro chi, or sedia

In terms of raw dps, aggressives is the highest but requires something that instantly reloads all weapons (like RoF on warlock or dragons shadow on hunter)

Double lightweight is inbetween both

It features the fast handling of slugs while keeping the damage profile thats atleast close to aggressives

[rich ferry]

Heritage and FILO

[quasi vector]

wouldn’t sojourners tale be better to match solar surges for apex/gally?

[rich ferry]

Actually yes sojourners is better but harder to get a good roll

Play dares during splicer week for a good roll on it

[quasi vector]

i already got a decent one with quickdraw adrenaline that i kept from beyond light

it works since i main sunbracers warlock

i’m lucky enough to have kept some splicer weapons since farming dares is cancer

[ripe siren]

ad junkie is not good

on sojourners u want surrounded

[rich ferry]

Think mine has rapid hit surrounded💀

[ruby patio]

Sojourners is not worth investing in unless we get lucky and xur has a better roll than the rapid hit surrounded roll he sold during chosen 💀

Just get Heritage and nessas

[rich ferry]

Or unless you're mentally capable to farm dares during splicer week

I love dares of eternity🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[unique marsh]

sojourners isn't good tho

[ruby patio]

Sure 💀

Literally does higher damage if you get surrounded proc'd but what do I know 🤷‍♂️

[unique marsh]

nothing

[ruby patio]

Right

[ripe siren]

i got an auto loading surrounded from dares

but ive never once used it

surrounded slugs r extremely niche

[ruby patio]

Not really

It's pretty easy to get surrounded to proc

[ripe siren]

for slugs not really

i can only rly think of templar

kalli mebe but ud have to leave ads and thats slow

[ruby patio]

How does the gun type affect how easy it is to proc surround

They all have the same trigger

[ripe siren]

im thinking of situations where ud use a surrounded slug

like surrounded rockets or linears

there r loads of bosses to use that on

[ruby patio]

Not that you'd need damage buffs for kalli

[ripe siren]

if ur optimising u would want them

[ruby patio]

Obviously

[ripe siren]

mebe some dungeon bosses but templar is the only raid boss id imagine u could consistently use surrounded slugs

[ruby patio]

Also there's really no place for linears in the meta rn

Even oryx you just rocket

[ripe siren]

ir yut its not bad

[ruby patio]

Rockets still kill faster but yea

[ripe siren]

surrounded linears rnt bad in templar in lowmans

[ripe siren]

rn levis is kinda meta for ir yut

or strand titan

[quasi vector]

it’s the best i got i am not farming dares for days💀

plus usually i get the damage boost bc i main sunbracers/verity’s warlock

[quasi vector]

i would say slugs in general seem very nische bc pellets do more damage unless the boss has a crit multiplier

heritage is good for utility with recombination, other than that there isn’t much else of a reason to prioritize them

[ripe siren]

Most ppl dont have great pellets

I farmed hours of iron banner for a riiswalker and got a 5/5

There r also rnt many great energy options for aggressives

Theres the comedian but its vanguard engrams so its brutal to farm

[quasi vector]

i’m pretty sure the crucible lightweight void sg is only 1 engram to focus

it got some new perks that make it decent

and wastelander is f2p and easy to farm for kinetic slot

but yeah aggressives for PVE are hard to farm

[rich ferry]

Gross

[quasi vector]

yeah i’m a meta slave

[rich ferry]

Lamest warlock exotic

[quasi vector]

grenade spam is fun but basic

[rustic crest]

Err u run the more lame grenade spam exotic

[quasi vector]

contraverse is the least lame grenade spam exotic

born to nova forced to well ☹️

[maiden marsh]

just craft em

[rich ferry]

contraverse is infinitely better than sunbracers

void + charged grenade + warlock 🥱 🔥 🔥 🔥

[ripe siren]

there r only 2 crafteable aggressives frames and theyre both kinetic

[maiden marsh]

oh

[ruby patio]

Uhh

[warped siren]

1: situational
2: pellets are better

If i were going for a roll on sojourners it would be auto loading and frenzy. And i did actually have that roll back during beyond light but deleted it cause me dumb

[ruby patio]

obviously sojourner's itself is situational but slugs for sure aren't

and the only way pellets are better is if you're hitting every single pellet, missing one or two pellets would still be less damage than a slug

like yea, pellets do more damage, but you're never going to hit that damage usually

[warped siren]

im not saying slugs are situational
im saying surrounded slugs are situational

second, pellets literally do more damage on average in every situation where you could use either pellets or slugs, except for the bosses i mentioned prior

[tired copper]

even on the techeuns if you hit head with both?

huh, yeah it goes from like 31k for pellets to 32k for slug (no buffs)

[narrow bridge]

Slugs also have a bit more range innit

[fossil nebula]

can have yeah

but lunas rules

[narrow bridge]

As a warlock (i dont play warlock) i wont ever swap off sunbracers.

[fossil nebula]

one bungie "sandbox change" and you'll say the opposite 🗣️@narrow bridge

[narrow bridge]

I wouldnt mind that, id like to use until its return at sniper range

[rich ferry]

Icky

[narrow bridge]

This is actually a lie. I will eventually play boots of the assembler

[rich ferry]

Only good solar warlock exotic🙏

[rustic crest]

AVG controverse npc

[rich ferry]

Type of fella to use sunbracers in gms

Get your destiny dad opinions away from me pls and thank you🙏

[ruby patio]

Yea man?

[rich ferry]

Yeah totally it's super good it heals a bajillion damage🤑

[ruby patio]

Destiny dads are funny

[warped siren]

i said ''except for the bosses i mentioned prior''
which were: kalli, shuro chi, sedia (aka, the techeuns)

[tired copper]

yeah, i know, i just double checked for myself, because i dont trust people

[warped siren]

and even there its close