what is the hardest non master or contest mode raid rn?

[neat frigate]

not counting how hard is the understandability of mechanics

[still axle]

just the combat aspect of it?

cause there aren't really any hard raids combat wise

[neat frigate]

I mean u gotta comprehend the raid mechanics first which I said to not count and then u gotta execute the mechanics and that is what I mean [also dps ] just generally the hardest raid to clear

[still axle]

probably vow

pretty complicated mechanics and the average player isn't very smart sooooo

[neat frigate]

ok

and what is the hardest raid boss to defeat

warpriest has the most hp out of all bosses but the dps phase is long

[cyan oracle]

vog atheon is probably the most consistently rushed/on the ball encounter. easy to fk up at the end

vow is the most mechanic complicated
but idk what you mean by hard

[still axle]

only master raids are actually hard

with a good team i think every raid boss can be 1 phased

[cyan oracle]

so the hardest raid is ghost of the deep?

[still axle]

thats a dungeon homie

[cyan oracle]

xactly

[still axle]

[earnest quest]

riven is probably hardest of raid bosses (if done legit)

[open citrus]

but he's talking about master

so it's vow

[earnest quest]

i just went by what title said and "non master"

[shadow notch]

iirc it's actually Caretaker that does?

[neat frigate]

Nope its warpriest

[neat frigate]

I think he has like 19.9

Lemme check

[shadow notch]

Warpriest has 19 mil Caretaker has 28 mil

[neat frigate]

Oh ok

[shadow notch]

Damage buff in the caretaker encounter compensates for it partially, but still as a result by far has the most health of any boss.

[neat frigate]

Ok i tough it was warpriest

[cyan oracle]

nah, warpriest is ez off day 1

[shadow notch]

Master chal warpriest can get hairy though

[pliant jolt]

idk where you got these numbers gang

in ehp ct has 12 and wp has 16

[haughty rain]

person in big lfg says something accurate?? 🤯🤯🤯

[pliant jolt]

me when i read a spreadsheet

[lean sonnet]

Caretaker has more in game health but u also deal proportionally more dmg

If u equal out the amount of dmg u do warpriest has more

Crotas real health isnt far behind either

I checked it and caretaker has 2.33 times more in game health than he actually does

[crisp kestrel]

probably wish

I've seen significantly more people get stuck on that raid than anything else

people just can't pay attention to anything 💀

[earnest quest]

on top of every encounter is complete diff mech. pretty much none of transfers

[crisp kestrel]

maybe we get a raid like that in tfs 🙏 😭

[upbeat blade]

or you'll get yet more symbols to read or dot connecting again

[winged lark]

last wish?

[crisp kestrel]

Yea

[winged lark]

He said right now?

[crisp kestrel]

What?

[winged lark]

He said non master or contest?

rn

[crisp kestrel]

Yea

[winged lark]

last wish is the easiest raid in the game for new players

[crisp kestrel]

Uh

Ok 👍

[winged lark]

thats outdated

[winged lark]

matiik when only one raid played

[neat frigate]

Hyena when i try to have fun

[winged lark]

I just don't know why you argue using info you got from yt

[crisp kestrel]

I just don't know why you spew

[winged lark]

I was told by matiik that trinity ghoul is better then sunshot for golgoroth because it can stun unstops with a champs mod

ive lost all my braincells from youtube opinions

I can't take it anymore

[crisp kestrel]

I mean it will kill ads faster but it's a very small difference

[winged lark]

you do not need a exotic to kill red bar ads in golgoroth

[crisp kestrel]

You don't but what else are you gonna use for an exotic 🤷‍♂️

Unless you're tractor

[winged lark]

name one arc precision weapon better then cataclysmic trinity is bad for bubbles so your better off running arbalest or leviathins breath

Arc weapons for adclear on that encounter feels like a waste of time

2 people with sunshot could kill the 40 thrall faster then that bow can draw

anyone who has played golgoroth can tell you that the ad clear is not a issue there

the only bow u should be using in golg is leviathins breath

trinity can't solo a bubble

just run double slugs with sunbracers

anything but a bow

ive seen double slug thunderlord with sunbracers

like adclear from content creators makes me want to commit war crimes

[crisp kestrel]

Why are you running arby in golgy 💀

That's more of a waste of an exotic than Trinity

[winged lark]

gaze it does 500k to golgys back for some reason so I can make fun of my team whenever we wipe

[crisp kestrel]

So does succession

No idea why but any damage you deal to golgy's back is multiplied to stupid numbers

[winged lark]

oh

it does kill the bubbles in 2-3 shots

still better then a useless addclear bow

[crisp kestrel]

Not really

[winged lark]

I don't understand anyone not using scorching weapons this season

ignitions are so op rn

[crisp kestrel]

You are hardly ever going to get ignitions to proc with sunshot

Because it has its own explosive payload

[pliant jolt]

sunshot is a nuke

[winged lark]

you don't need ignitions if everything in a mile radius is dead

[crisp kestrel]

No way really

[winged lark]

meanwhile chain lightnight one shotting red bars and chaining to kill 5 yet sucking for anything above a red baar health

Trinity Ghoul should not be used this season ol

its a wasted exotic

[crisp kestrel]

So is arby and sunshot

[winged lark]

my issue was the claim that trin is the best adclear weapon

[winged lark]

arby has its use sunshot is just incredible rn

[crisp kestrel]

No they aren't

[winged lark]

what exotics do u use

[crisp kestrel]

Travelers chosen and rat king

[winged lark]

in pve?

travelers in pve is good but ive never tried ratking outside of pvp

[crisp kestrel]

Yea man

They're goated

[winged lark]

niche af

[open citrus]

trash af, not niche

travelers chosen is a sidearm with a better wellspring perk

[crisp kestrel]

no dude

I get abilties back so fast

[lean sonnet]

what does this mean

[winged lark]

not with ratking

[crisp kestrel]

no but I go invisible on every kill so its super helpful

[crisp kestrel]

pretty sure bungie dropped WP's health a while back

[lean sonnet]

i dont think they did

[crisp kestrel]

oh

I was just going off of what hyena said

[lean sonnet]

ur first mistake

[crisp kestrel]

right?

[winged lark]

I did not say that

[crisp kestrel]

I just assumed they did because you said it was outdated

[winged lark]

Yeah its been a bit since warpriest was most tanky

[crisp kestrel]

yea I know

[lean sonnet]

He is still the most tanky?

[winged lark]

Caretaker has 7m more health

[pliant jolt]

not in ehp😭😭

ct gives you a giga super ginormous damage buff and you can use itl to make him more of a joke

wp has nothing like that

[lean sonnet]

I literally ranted about this earlier in this post

You do 2.33 times more damage to caretaker than you should

Different bosses have different dmg scalars and caretakers is massive

His health is basically inflated

[dry quartz]

Yap yap yap 1 punch does over 2M

[neat frigate]

Bro needs glasses

[dry quartz]

yeah man all the unstops in golgoroth

[open citrus]

lmfao

[neat frigate]

I told him that trinity is good for totems encouter bc it clears ads pretty good and stuns unstops

Idk how bro got golgoroth

[dry quartz]

sunshot is better

because it's solar surge

also i think xeno is a better weapon than sunshot for master totems

xeno+kf hand cannon > sunshot, solar lmg

[neat frigate]

Where did u get master totems? Im talking bout normal

[lean sonnet]

Even for normal sunshot is kinda better

It handles orange bars way better than t ghoul

[open citrus]

hate to say it, but tghoul is powercrept by hcs right now

[pliant jolt]

me when i heritage the orange bars

[worldly nimbus]

Theres champions in golgoroth??

[lean sonnet]

Balcony

[dry quartz]

the 2 knights at the end of ad clear phase are barriers

the ones by where u take gaze

[opaque yarrow]

Atheon is simplified by the fact that you can one phase if you have even 1 or 2 competent players running verity's

[opaque yarrow]

"what is the hardest non master or contest mode raid"

[winged lark]

Its a worthless matiik question

[opaque yarrow]

Caretaker has 24 mil while warpriest has 18.8-19 mil (according to lowman lfg), BUT one: caretaker has a massive damage buff and two: master warpriest buffs hp to 24 mil also

So if were talking effective hp, warpriest has the most by a pretty substantial margin

[opaque yarrow]

I think that has more to do with the type of people that run wish more than anything else

[opaque yarrow]

Theres no way arby takes 2-3 shots when succession takes like 6 at least

Also bastion would simply be better for shooting bubbles

[opaque yarrow]

Throw a nade

Or use succession

[dry quartz]

You will be shocked to find out that bastion 1 shots

[dry quartz]

[open citrus]

ANYWAYS GUYS back to OP's question, probably wish

[winged lark]

How?

And the op is a troll he made a forum for controversy not because he wanted a answer

[open citrus]

mechanic execution wise wish seems the hardest

as he excludes combat and understanding of mechanics

[winged lark]

Wtf does that leave

Matiik you are a goober my friend

[open citrus]

mechanic execution

actually doing all the mechanics after understanding it with the help of a yt video for example

[winged lark]

Ide think last wish is the easiest for that

With the hardest being vow

[crisp kestrel]

You're the only one who actually started the controversy which lead to more controversy, hater 💀

Like all I see you do is sht on people and then specifically sht on matiiiks

[winged lark]

You are absolutely nobody to talk on this subject

[winged lark]

I sht on matiiks because what he does is he asks a question in my dms or in another server then comes here for attention 5 minutes later

But argues the points people in the other server told him

[crisp kestrel]

I know but you do it too 🙏

[crisp kestrel]

He's probably trying to get multiple inputs and then justify each of them 🤷‍♂️