good legendary solar energy primary for pve

[sleek wave]

need ad clear primary for energy slot

i was planning to run presage to get calus mini tool but my friends were busy before this reset hence i need recommendations for a solar primary ammo energy slot

[warm epoch]

still calus, its so goated and presage is easy

other than that maby zhaolis, maby bxr

maby bug out bag, but thats just off brand calus

[wise compass]

Ephocthal has incandescent

If I spelt if right and you get the roll sometime during the lightfall campaign

[thin fog]

calus is good but if u looking for smth for addclear then ZAULIS thats a legendary sunshot or atleast thats what some people told me

[warm epoch]

zhaolis is the "legendary sunshot" with explosive payload incandescent, but sunshot is so much better that comparing the 2 is criminal

[wise compass]

Sunshot best ad clear exotic besides maybe trinity but I haven't used trinity

[warm epoch]

trinity is great, but sunshot has the solar synergies so it comes out on top

[wise compass]

Ik he said primary but any trace with inca on it is probably better then calus mini tool

Does the RoN trace have inca or is it just solae

[warm epoch]

it has incan

[wise compass]

Yeah that's probably better then mini tool

[sleek wave]

when u run two special do u use special scout and finder or do you still use heavy ammo scout and finder

[warm epoch]

i would use special, but also wouldnt use double special anymore

[wise compass]

Sorry idk

[sleek wave]

why not?

[warm epoch]

exotic primaries are too good, legendary heavies are great now, too and the nerf to ammo gen for double special was kinda hard

[torn minnow]

You do know they didn't nerf double special as in running 2 specials they nerfed it spawning more heavy

[warm epoch]

i know, but the ammo economy is horrendous for the special weapons and now for the heavies, too

[torn minnow]

Special finisher existing?

[warm epoch]

yeah

[torn minnow]

Nobody runs orbs or fonts in normal builds for all around content

So orbs are not being deleted

Its just save up 3 orbs do a finisher and your all set

[warm epoch]

but it only drops a crappy brick and that divided up youll finish so many things you can just make a build around finishers entirely

[torn minnow]

You don't need a build

For that

And you should always be running a fusion double special or no double

You can rely on your abilitys for small ads

[warm epoch]

if you run ability spam, yes it works, but not if you focus on weapons

[torn minnow]

Im worried about the weapons you run

Double special is not for casual play tho

Never was

[warm epoch]

i used to run it in raids all the time

[midnight prism]

Double special is significantly weaker now

After heavy drop rate was nerfed. Sure@you can run special finisher but it is way too tedious to rely on that when you do higher end content…

Exotic primary is now 100% the play since more heavy drops AND can have a good form of ad clear without relying on special ammo

You know it’s worse than mid when Aegis and no other high end pve’er uses double special on a consistent basis

[wise compass]

Special finisher was always an option for me

Until the nerfs and now finding orbs is painful

Because I'm usually running assasins cowl as a hunter main

I already use finishers often

[midnight prism]

I swear isn’t that exotic bugged?

[torn minnow]

No its just broken

[midnight prism]

Cause my hunter friends stopped using arc for that reason

Broken as in good or bad

[torn minnow]

Broken as in unfair

[torn minnow]

It just isn't a team play exotic

[midnight prism]

Oh LOL I swear ppl@were saying it’s not working properly

[torn minnow]

Nah still the easiest solo flawless dungeon exotic in the game

[wise compass]

Strand titan is probably easiee

Actually after the nerfs idk

[torn minnow]

For warlords yes

[wise compass]

I'd imagine in GoTD too

But I haven't gotten any dugenons yet

[torn minnow]

Even at its best hunter being invisible 90% of the time is overpowered

Someone solo flawlessed gotd in under a hour only using powered mellees

No weapons

[wise compass]

I don't want to nerf cowl

[torn minnow]

Strand titan is great but its not as overpowered as assassins cowl

[wise compass]

But it prolly deserves a nerf while all other hunter exotics need some depesperate buffs

[torn minnow]

Hunter exotics do not need buffs

Hunters have the best exotics in the game

[wise compass]

We have cowl SES RDMS and right now Celestial

I think only cowl is really broken

And the rest are fine as is besides maybe celestial

I'm talking out my ass tho so idk

[torn minnow]

Omni orpheus gyro

The other classes do not have nearly as good exotics

A lot of hunter exotics work on many subclasses too

Gamblers dodge is extremely overpowered

[wise compass]

Orphues??

[torn minnow]

Yes

[wise compass]

Orpheus is balanced in my mind

[torn minnow]

You probs don't play gms

[wise compass]

How come

[wise compass]

I don't but don't void hunter's run omnis in GM?

[torn minnow]

Orpheus is probably the best gm exotic

[torn minnow]

Only ones with bad teams

[wise compass]

Damn I gotta start playing GM's bruh

[torn minnow]

2 orpheus hunters and a pheonix prot warlock can chain wells and tethers

Orpheus carried moon gm

And mars gm

[ruby trout]

How long was the run?

[wise compass]

So for GM's the hunters are primarily on tether with orpheus?

[torn minnow]

We got pretty short runs in but idk

[torn minnow]

Nah

They run whatever

[wise compass]

Damn idk then

[torn minnow]

But when your running first gms with people and practically need to carry ones weight its op

[torn minnow]

Im not a speed player im more of a sherpa

[ruby trout]

Ideally you run three wells, cenotaph, gally 2 apex witherhoard and champ stuns

You kinda just blow through gms

[wise compass]

Three wells??

[torn minnow]

Hmm

[ruby trout]

It's so easy

[torn minnow]

Fair but for carry runs for peoples first gms its hard to get 3 wells

[wise compass]

Everything else makes sense but 3 wells is seems wild

[torn minnow]

Well is op

[ruby trout]

I mean, you don't NEED three, you could have a strand lock

[torn minnow]

Why would u add a strand lock

[ruby trout]

Damage super

And still have access to ceno

[wise compass]

Ohh

But doesn't only one need ceno

[torn minnow]

we usually use mobius orpheus Hunter as with that helmet mod it rains orbs on the hunter

[torn minnow]

Yep

[ruby trout]

Yea but it makes it easier to manage ceno procs, since it has a cooldown

[wise compass]

Ohhh okay

[torn minnow]

Wait u actually run 2 cenos?

[ruby trout]

You could probably get away with two cenos and bracers with snap

[torn minnow]

Why bracers with snap

Tf! Thats 2 people on trace rifles just to make more heavy

[wise compass]

I thoguht melee in GM's was bad besides titan

[ruby trout]

Pretty sure the ignition that you can get from snap will count towards bracers

[torn minnow]

Its bad even on titan

[torn minnow]

Yes but solar grenades don't do much in gms

There are much better options

[ruby trout]

Yes they do

I'm just throwing out options either way

[torn minnow]

It doesn't make sense to run 3 warlocks

Or 2 cenos

[wise compass]

What other super would you want besides well

[ruby trout]

Strand super on lock

[wise compass]

I don't think needlestorm makes the most sense but idk

[torn minnow]

Warlocks in gms are best for warlock

But needlstorm is all right

[ruby trout]

Needlestorm does around the same damage as crash w cuirass

[wise compass]

I can't think of anything besides tether and we'll

[ruby trout]

Tether is good too

[wise compass]

What is that acc true

[ruby trout]

Yea

[torn minnow]

It doesn't but its super inaccurate

[ruby trout]

Not even

the bolts track, you just have to be in the correct position

[wise compass]

I know meta is gjally with legendary rockets but is dragons breath any good

[torn minnow]

Needle storm is the highest one of warlorck super

[wise compass]

Just curious cause it does really good damage but idk about ad clear

[torn minnow]

Dragons breath is a solo exotic

[ruby trout]

Gally would do better ad clear and give everyone wolfpack

[wise compass]

Oh damn

[torn minnow]

Dragons breath is awful for dps

In team play

Its a solo exotic

[wise compass]

Yes in team play its bad but I was talking about it doing good solo damage

[torn minnow]

all it takes is burning maul or hammer if sol for dragons breath to do 200k

[ruby trout]

If you plan to use db you have to be the only person on it, otherwise you steal ignitions which tank other people's dps

[wise compass]

Ive heard one more DB isn't that bad but idk

[torn minnow]

No it's pretty bad

[wise compass]

I should stop talking

[torn minnow]

Maybe if everyone in your team is running no solar subclasses

[ruby trout]

It's not awful, just better off using it solo, and there's better options

[wise compass]

I'll be back when I'm good

[midnight prism]

Chaos reach

The blinding exotic

With your rift is fun at

And really good

[torn minnow]

What?

[ruby trout]

He said fun

[torn minnow]

Ok

[ruby trout]

Leave him alone 😭

[torn minnow]

I was about to say like that's probably the worst super for a gm

[ruby trout]

You want the worst super for gms?

Nova warp

[torn minnow]

Ehhh

[ruby trout]

Top that 🗣️🔥

[torn minnow]

Its alright for escaping and has a high dr

[ruby trout]

You should need a super to escape

[torn minnow]

Plus nova warp dies more dammage iirc

No nvm

[wooden shale]

Chaos reach 💀

[ruby trout]

It doesn't

[wise compass]

Fists of havoc

[ruby trout]

For warlock

[wise compass]

Oh

[ruby trout]

Pretty sure fists is better than nova, from buffs a few seasons ago, still terrible and should never be considered

[wooden shale]

Fists of havoc is not better than nova bomb 💀

[torn minnow]

Nova bomb cataclsym

Always targets thralls

[wooden shale]

Cataclysm sucks use vortex

[torn minnow]

Ik

[wise compass]

That's the point 😭

[torn minnow]

Do people use strand and arc warlock in gms?

Like after suspend nerf

[ruby trout]

We're talking about nova warp

[torn minnow]

Warlock doesn't have many supers

[wise compass]

I use stasis titan in GM's 😎

[torn minnow]

But I stand by chaos reach

[wooden shale]

I assure you not a single person is using fists of havoc or nova warp

[wise compass]

The stasis one

[ruby trout]

I know, we were just talking about the worst super

[wise compass]

On warlock

[torn minnow]

Titan has no bad subclass this season

[torn minnow]

Is insane

[ruby trout]

💀

[torn minnow]

Bro stasis warlocks super is unreal in gms

The dr with the freezing everything

Warlock has insane stasis with infinate grenades

[wooden shale]

Stasis warlock was awful until this season

[red venture]

cc is stupid when you could've killed everything in the time it took to cc them

[wooden shale]

Where they finally made champ’s work correctly when frozen

[torn minnow]

The super is outstanding outside of boss dps

[torn minnow]

What are you on?

[wooden shale]

It messed up champs

[wise compass]

Bruh how

[wooden shale]

Made it 10x harder to kill

[torn minnow]

It has always had the ability to spam grenades and a turret that fully counters overloads

[ruby trout]

He's on nothing 💀

[red venture]

If you're running a gm and you're not on ceno/rocket that's a boot

[wooden shale]

Now that they fixed stasis effects

You can actually kill chanps

[ruby trout]

^

[wooden shale]

This is also true

[torn minnow]

That super has crazy survivability

[ruby trout]

So does well 🫠

[torn minnow]

And if you throw coldsnaps before and pop super every thing dies

[wise compass]

Yeah wouldn't you just be in well the enitre time

Unless something goes wrong

[red venture]

Almost like pressing m1 with a rocket

[torn minnow]

Stasis warlock and solar warlock were the only 2 warlocks I didn't kick last season when lfging

[red venture]

Stasis wl is fun just outclassed

[torn minnow]

Coldsnap grenade spam is just different

[wise compass]

I'm gonna play solar hunter with ophidias now in GMs

😊

[torn minnow]

Why ophidias

[red venture]

Ceno wl and strand titan are the 2 classes

[torn minnow]

Go big or go back to void

[wooden shale]

Worm gods for hunters

[torn minnow]

If your not a void hunter or running celestial this season your not useful enough to play in gms

[wise compass]

U can ignite with the knfies and they both recharge at the same time and u get a 100% damage boost now too

Prolly the best knife exotic

[red venture]

Void hunters viability scales with how much your team sucks

[torn minnow]

Who needs a knife you either have tether keep our team alive or play a better class

[wise compass]

Void hunter scales with how hard u wanna carry is what ur saying

[red venture]

Your team shouldn't be dying in the first place

[torn minnow]

Strandlock feels so weak since suspend nerf

We. Can all agree stasis may be titans worst but its not awful hunters worst is probably strand in pve and locks is arc

For like gms

[wise compass]

Man I just want to feel op on hunter without running cowl how do I feel like that

[red venture]

Titans use strand, wl use solar, hunter gets kicked

[torn minnow]

If you run cowl on my team you get kicked

[wise compass]

Exaclty I'm tired of discrimination

[torn minnow]

Cowl is a bad exotic for playing with teams

[torn minnow]

Idk that 1 million dmg super kinda ok

[red venture]

Its fine

[torn minnow]

But if you miss you get kicked

Insta

[red venture]

Not useful in a gm setting imo, dmg breakpoint don't justify it

[wise compass]

You can't say #buff hunter

It gets deleted

Oh my god

[torn minnow]

Nerf

Hunter

[wise compass]

What is there to nerf besides cowl 😭😭

Give me hunter buffs or give me death

[torn minnow]

Cowl celestial

Gambler dodge

[wise compass]

Leave celestial alone only time I feel good

[red venture]

Dragons shadow best exotic

[torn minnow]

Im sorry but that super is 3 needle storms 2 thunder crashs with stars and like 20 dragons breath shots

And 4 apex shots

[wise compass]

Yes

[torn minnow]

In a one off super

[wise compass]

And since they want to make solar hunter only good for DPS then that DPS better be the best in the game

What else does a solar hunter do besides make bosses healthbars go poof

[torn minnow]

Hunters have always had the best supers in the game

[wise compass]

Keep it that way

[torn minnow]

Yes it was that way before they gave hunters a exotic that made it do 3x more damage then any other super in the game with just one click and still have a decent cooldown

[wise compass]

I still don't see why celestial needs a nerf

[wooden shale]

it’s literally one of the the only good things about hunter

[midnight prism]

Not point for super, just meant class utility

Also fun to beam

[midnight prism]

Tether

Gathering

[ruby trout]

Gathering isn't that good anymore lol

And tractor is a better tether unless you're doing gos

[midnight prism]

Eh still pretty hard hitting super plus utility or roll punch

[wooden shale]

Tether is not very good

tractor is way better in most cases

gstorm is mid at best after jolt nerf

[low basalt]

rip two tailed fox

short lived dps meta

[ruby trout]

Ttf was never meta is was just useful

[low basalt]

yk gang my personal opinion is that merciless ain't bad as far as fusion rifles go

[torn minnow]

Bastion jotunn darci>

[ruby trout]

What?

[torn minnow]

Jotunn is pretty nice in gms

And bastion shreds nezzy

[ruby trout]

MERCILESS CAN SOLO NEZ WHAT

[torn minnow]

What

Can it!

[ruby trout]

Yes 😭

[torn minnow]

No way

[ruby trout]

Holy re tard

[torn minnow]

The crapy worlddrop exotic

?

[warm epoch]

merciless is goated after the buffs

[ruby trout]

It's not bad you're just misinformation

[torn minnow]

Yes but soloing nezzy?

[ruby trout]

Its so good for damage

[ruby trout]

Google it Holy sht

[torn minnow]

All the speedruners use bastion

[warm epoch]

its by far the best special dps weapon

[warm epoch]

????? what speedruns were you watching? they just nuke him with rockets and wrathweaver

[torn minnow]

Yall have to be kidding

[torn minnow]

No the solo runs

[ruby trout]

Baiting

[torn minnow]

What

[warm epoch]

they are saying you are playing a lot of the fishing activity in destiny to get loot and stuff

[ruby trout]

What solo runs are you watching

Because not a single person uses bastion for solo nez or anything in ron

[warm epoch]

its a slang term, since you use the bait to catch the fish, those who go about and use all the bait they have before running activiteis again, are called "baiters" and they are "baiting"

[torn minnow]

Oh

[ruby trout]

What

[warm epoch]

you used the term, you should know

[ruby trout]

Baiting means you're saying something false to get a reaction out of someone 💀

[low basalt]

ngl i was quoting a dude that had his message deleted 💀

[warm epoch]

whaaaaat? noooo..... you are lying......

[ruby trout]

Wait...

[warm epoch]

okay

[low basalt]

im a master baiter

[warm epoch]

[torn minnow]

Bastion is the best exotic tho

The knobs are so cool

And the way it spins

[low basalt]

this egg sandwich i made is pretty fire

[warm epoch]

i shoved an alarm clock up my bum, and now i have to twerk every morning to turn it off

[torn minnow]

Not as fire as bastion

[low basalt]

nah cause my sandwich has hot sauce and mayo n stuff

not to mention it has egg

[torn minnow]

6 bastions can 2 phase nezi

[low basalt]

my egg sandwich can 1 phase nezi

[torn minnow]

Nu uh

[low basalt]

yuh huh

[torn minnow]

It doesn't have ham

Bastion has ham

[low basalt]

turkey would be good on it

[torn minnow]

Ham> turkey especially on bastion and egg sandwichs

[low basalt]

people dont understand the strength of a good turkey sandwich

[torn minnow]

Because it aint got ham

[wise compass]

This guy the guardian who loved bastion in lore

[rough dirge]

Probably already been said here but ammit ar is still nasty at ad clear with incandescent

[wooden shale]

it is not

@ornate parrot

[ornate parrot]

I mean

smgs are better

[torn minnow]

Tf u on

[wooden shale]

he is correct

auto rifles are sub par

[ornate parrot]

in pve???

[autumn wraith]

Autos with an ad clear perk are completely on par with other primaries until you get to like master

Maybe not the rly slow firing ones but most autos are fine

[rough dirge]

Yes it is. Are you not smart or something?

[torn minnow]

Except rufus

[wooden shale]

i would say im fairly decent at the video game

[torn minnow]

High impacts are what makes them different

As they have high impact

[ornate parrot]

Ammit is literally overshadowed by multiple solar smgs

Like if you have nothing else its not horrible but there are many weapons that are better

[wooden shale]

the only time auto rifles were good was when the crafting bug was live

and you could put a shotgun frame on them

[torn minnow]

I put amit over calus for most builds

[autumn wraith]

Why’s that

[ornate parrot]

I mean unless ur using it for stunning or like gms Smgs are better

[torn minnow]

Range and damage

[autumn wraith]

Range yes, but calus does more damage

[torn minnow]

In close range yes

[autumn wraith]

Yes

[ornate parrot]

smgs have a higher dps

[torn minnow]

Yes

In. Close range

[ornate parrot]

when are you not close enough

[autumn wraith]

When you are far

[ornate parrot]

im asking when are you ot able to get close enough to use calus man

[torn minnow]

Gms 💀

[ornate parrot]

WOW CRAZY ITS ALMOST AS IF I SAID THAT RIGHT HERE

[wooden shale]

why are you using primaries in gms

[lunar canopy]

I do

[wooden shale]

cenotaph rocket spam

[torn minnow]

What are u using in gms?

[tidal iron]

because double special is nerfed to sht

who doesn't use primaries

[torn minnow]

He had a point

[wooden shale]

strand titan

[lunar canopy]

Bro pre ordered the answer to his question

[split barn]

one-two punch, cartesian, rocket; trace, fusion, rocket cenotaph

[ornate parrot]

mfw Aeons, Cenotaph and lead from gold are a thing

infinte heavy and special!!!

[wooden shale]

and now half the gms are battlegrounds

meaning even more free ammo boxes

[lunar canopy]

Brt why did you post this link? You've dragged in the entire lowman community.

[wooden shale]

thats funny

[split barn]

real

[wooden shale]

someone asked for it 😭

[split barn]

no img perms i sleep

[lunar canopy]

Ngl last season I did all 6 gms with lament and didn't use my other weapons at all

But once again. I am bad at gms

[wooden shale]

how did you clear mkf

😭

[torn minnow]

🧢

[wooden shale]

we shouldve lamented oryx @lunar canopy

[torn minnow]

Bro got carried

[wooden shale]

new cook on solar surge trust me

[wooden shale]

ik so true me and @winter mango were there to guide him through!

[autumn wraith]

Nah sleeper crota pick is GOA sword

[lunar canopy]

Listen I used lament and strongholds and banner and woven. I just held stuff still while my teammates killed it from the back

[fading gazelle]

oh my god i dont wanna be here either but watching someone get decked is never boring

[tidal iron]

this the new lowman gen chat

[split barn]

someone get atp on the lament cooks

[autumn wraith]

Oh I’m good at hitting from the back

[torn minnow]

Bequest > lame ant

[autumn wraith]

Apparently thronecleaver is peak tho

[lunar canopy]

Not for a strongholds build tho

[autumn wraith]

It hits like 1.2 mil more than bequest in a 26 sec damage phase

[fading gazelle]

dmg wise not for survivability and functionality

for burst yes dps not rlly

[torn minnow]

Dps?

[fading gazelle]

longterm

[torn minnow]

It has higher both

U spam light attacks

[autumn wraith]

Thronecleaver is better still

[torn minnow]

And u get ammo back

[fading gazelle]

also surrounded is a bit of a mess in close range

cannot trust big lfg burgers not to ad clear during dps

[split barn]

you will be shocked to discover what stunning anti barrier champs does

[torn minnow]

No way people use lamment for barriers

[split barn]

big dawg it's a chainsaw sword with intrinsic ab

[autumn wraith]

I mean

You can ig

[torn minnow]

Bro just because it has ab doesn't mean its good at it

[fading gazelle]

just bc hypothetically u can have multiple ads surrounding u during dps and a guaranteed well on paper like in a 6 man that doesnt mean that in practice you have the conditions

u can run lament and solve the problem of not having a well or ads during dps or if the boss is somewhat air based

[torn minnow]

Does the lame ant have ham

[fading gazelle]

the only time legendaries were better than exotics were whatever the ikelos and lfr fiascos were

[fading gazelle]

what do you mean

[torn minnow]

Forb> dead messanger

[fading gazelle]

not for pvp for a while no

that was disgusting

[torn minnow]

Nobody uses forb in pvp

[fading gazelle]

and yet every arclock in plunder was dead messengering into a melee

theres a reason dead messenger does significantly less dmg than other waveframes now in pvp

[ornate parrot]

Thats not true

[lunar canopy]

Vision of confluence 🔥

[winter mango]

No shot you pinged me in big lfg

Also if you aren’t using zaoulis bane (kf hand cannon) or no survivors (ghosts smg) as legendary solar primaries you’re doing something wrong

[ruby trout]

Careful hyena might see that message 🗣️🔥

[autumn wraith]

What’s ur fav no surv roll 👀

[tidal iron]

minitool is also great what is he yappin

[ruby trout]

Gotd smg is better if you have a 5/5

[tidal iron]

because you prefer demo over unrelenting?

[ruby trout]

I mean, demo is just better but preference is different if you prefer unrelenting then use it, but that does not change that demo is better

[autumn wraith]

What’s your 5/5 👀

[ruby trout]

Rifled/fluted ricochet demo incan range or handling mw

Or reload depending on what barrel you got

[winter mango]

Demo Incan (this gun is really good in on level activities but falls off when under light) I prefer zaoulis for harder content

[red venture]

Based zaouli enjoyer

[lunar canopy]

This is 100% true

[sleek wave]

whats good about ricochet?

[ruby trout]

Range and stability

[lunar canopy]

Bouncy bullets = more fun

[wise compass]

Flared mag well

[tidal iron]

flared magwell is the best magazine perk for pve don't change my mind