Apex Predator Red Borders?

[sour prawn]

Am I still able to get red border drops for the apex pred in the last wish raid? any other way to get them? Is there a different rocket I should get instead?

[glad torrent]

Hothead is a viable alternative, but you can still get the drops from the first clear of each character (once per week) . if/when it's featured you can farm infinitely

[oak plover]

and any drop from encounters/secret chests can be redboarder

[sour prawn]

thx!

[smoky pulsar]

With hotheads costing 5 engrams and crux termination vi in world drop loot and being far better then hothead your better off getting a crux

[glad torrent]

good luck getting a random non-grindable Envious explosive light rocket

[smoky pulsar]

It has a higher dps then apex with envious bipod (burst)

Recon surounded is also great

Enviousl surrounded

[topaz lotus]

whats a good roll for crux?

[smoky pulsar]

The 3 above are great

[glad torrent]

how is the dps higher when bipod literally buffs ammo at the cost of damage per rocket

but yes, I don't disagree that the rocket has crazy potential if you get it to drop

[oak plover]

it buffs the fire rate, too

[smoky pulsar]

Envious bipod can get all rockets in mag besides the bipod ones

Giving it higher burst dps

[glad torrent]

indirectly by increasing reload you mean?

ah bc of envious okay

[smoky pulsar]

Yeah

[oak plover]

no, it literally gives faster fire rate

[glad torrent]

gunsmith doesn't say that

[oak plover]

bipod i mean

[glad torrent]

how'd you figure it out

[oak plover]

it said it at one point and you can feel it ingame

[smoky pulsar]

It says it on light gg

25% shorter delay on firing

[oak plover]

and thats on top of having to reload half as much

[smoky pulsar]

Bipod is decent I do agree the damage perks are better but 7 in magezine is just so nice

After its rework it's definitely a viable perk

Especially with envious

[smoky pulsar]

But it entirely outclasses hothead and has less perks in the pool

They can run literally almost the same role but crux has clown cart in a way better slot

Crux can run hothead godroll but with recon

[topaz lotus]

doesnt scattered have access to overflow

[smoky pulsar]

scattered?

[topaz lotus]

oh sorry i just woke up haha i thought we were talking about scattered signal lmao my bad🥲

[smoky pulsar]

I wouldn't run overflow on that

[topaz lotus]

why not though i saw a yt video on it and overflow on it plus battery js gives u a rapid fire 18 ammo threadling producing fusion rifle

looked really great from a video a saw previously and fun to use but ill have to check it out myself to see what works best for me

but thank you for ur crux roll recommendation

[smoky pulsar]

i can telll it came from a yt vid lol

u do u but slice is insane

[topaz lotus]

ive got a drop w slice and controlled burst but its not crafted so i cant get it enhanced is it still worth to use?

[smoky pulsar]

Ig

[rugged glade]

Slice will only be good this season, so maybe use it sparingly since fusions really aren't that great, but after this season, get an overflow controlled burst roll

[smoky pulsar]

What are you on? Fusions dominate pve and always have

[smoky pulsar]

This is beyond a hot take

Its just wrong lol

[smoky pulsar]

Fusion rifles fast burst special dps and ability to conserve ammo is a must in gms they play a perfect range between other specials and shotguns that slams in all activities

[rugged glade]

Keep yapping schizo 🗣️🔥

[smoky pulsar]

Bruh

[smoky pulsar]

What do you run in pve?

[rugged glade]

Izi forby other half unless its a boss

Holy yikes, I'm getting by a guy with gold clears and speed rank💀💀💀

[smoky pulsar]

I started in season of the deep and ive never done a full dsc

[rugged glade]

That's so cool

You still have 27 full cleara

[smoky pulsar]

Imagine using api in a argument

[oak plover]

💀 ²

[smoky pulsar]

I only do full clears for sherpas

[rugged glade]

I mean it kinda shows where your skill is at

[rugged glade]

YIKES

[oak plover]

imagine sucking and still pretending to know

[smoky pulsar]

Nah ion suck

[rugged glade]

Its actually so wild

[smoky pulsar]

I just don't do full raids

[rugged glade]

Sure

[smoky pulsar]

Check my raid report I checkpoint farm

[rugged glade]

I saw

[oak plover]

that doesnt make it bette

[rugged glade]

Pretty cringe

Makes you look even worse

[smoky pulsar]

Why would I want to do 3 hour raids

Over farming what I need

[rugged glade]

Why are you taking 3 hours in a raid 💀

[oak plover]

LMAO MAN SAID 3 HOUR RAID

[rugged glade]

I love big lfg randoms, they spew the craziest sht

@smoky pulsar tf do you even do in this game

[smoky pulsar]

Sherpa

[rugged glade]

Is that it

No way right???

[smoky pulsar]

Yep

Its all thats fun

[rugged glade]

💀

[smoky pulsar]

I also do nezzy caries with my friend for his twitch

[rugged glade]

Never try to argue about what's good ever again, you have no idea what you're saying 🗣️🔥

[oak plover]

i am sorry for those you have sherpad

[smoky pulsar]

So you don't use fusion?

[rugged glade]

Me too 😭

[rugged glade]

Occasionally but I know they aren't great

[smoky pulsar]

Not even riptide?

Or cartesian?

[oak plover]

cartesian is mid, riptide is a low lvl weapon you can use for low to mid tier content

and also, its a pvp weapon, so its bad²

[rugged glade]

Eremite is better unless you're doing duo taniks, Riptide is only used for Champs, even then I'd rather use arbi or something

[smoky pulsar]

Ok yall gotta be on smth

[rugged glade]

Riptide definitely isn't BAD, but it's for sure not great either

That applies to all fusions I mean

[smoky pulsar]

I can see toads point but kydros just trying to leach on you for credibility

[rugged glade]

For just general content they're probably fine, but I'd rather use Heritage, for damage they get outclassed by filler snipers, gls and slugs, and gms they probably would be fine

[smoky pulsar]

And this is just wrong

Nobody uses rapids for pvp it doesn't1 shot

[oak plover]

i didnt say its used in pvp i said its a pvp weapon

you have to play crucible for it

[smoky pulsar]

Mhm

[rugged glade]

So you're just biased against pvp 💀

[oak plover]

yes

[rugged glade]

Dude

[smoky pulsar]

Pvp weapons are not exclusive to pvp

[rugged glade]

Wdym?

[smoky pulsar]

Just play mayham the thing can stun 2 champions

[smoky pulsar]

They aren't only good for pvp

[rugged glade]

Oh okok

Yea Riptide, imo, is good and def worth it if you haven't gotten a Heritage yet, but once you get Heritage, Riptide falls off pretty hard

[smoky pulsar]

Heritage is a slug? Why heritage

[rugged glade]

Slugs do a considerable amount of more damage than fusions

I'll go find the numbers

[smoky pulsar]

Im aware

[rugged glade]

It'd be really funny if I was wrong

[smoky pulsar]

Completely but what does it stun

[smoky pulsar]

Slugs have the highest dps in the game

[oak plover]

the overload stun is inconsistent, sometimes it just stops health regen, and you have to shoot 3 shots for the unbop stun. id rather just run weapons with either intrinsic or artifact anti champ

[rugged glade]

Oh we're talking about stuns?

[smoky pulsar]

Yea

[rugged glade]

Uhh, slugs don't stun anything

💀

[smoky pulsar]

Riptide is amazing as it stuns 2 types of champions

And slows and freeze is pretty helpful against bomber knights or random orange bars in gms

Riptide is a rapid its priority is utility not dps

[rugged glade]

Yea, I'd honestly only use it for overloads, and then use sunshot or something for unstop since Riptide would take a little longer to stun unstop

[smoky pulsar]

Fs

Fusions are way more ammo efficient and convenient to use then slugs snd can bring more utility

For players who are more advanced and confident with slugs vs champs

Go you!

But I don't want to have champions looking at me before I am able to do viable dmg

And slugs don't really help with orange bars as much

[smoky pulsar]

Cartesian probs has a higher dps

Erimite does roughly 30k

Fusions are far better then most of the special weapon classes

Pellot shotguns have bad range

Slugs can't really add clear

Trace rifles have low dmg

Snipers are awful

Gls are kinda just existing

When you say fusions aren't that great you could be referring to one of the 15 uses fusions have