whats the best raid DPS?

[brittle atlas]

thankyou

[abstract edge]

rockets, specifically apex predator recon baitnswitch

[brittle atlas]

is apex predator craftable?

[shut tapir]

yes

[open ginkgo]

Thunderlord

[slim sail]

rockets got stealth fixed and only deal 70% of last seasos damage with wolfpack rounds. still best option as of now

[rapid tapir]

Where did you hear about this? I tried looking up "Destiny 2 wolfpack stealth nerf" and got nothing relevant. I also tried looking on the official patch notes and reddit

[glossy peak]

apparenrly it was a stealth fix people are saying

[cobalt abyss]

so the huge damage was mainly the result of wolfpack impact or physics jank to do tons of damage

the testing was mainly done by someone named aegis or theaegisrelic you can look up

end result is now wolfpack are more or less doing the "regular" expected damage of about 25% damage boost rather than the 100% or whatever when it would randomly chunk bosses

rockets are still very good, but now you can at least switch to other options and do decent comparable damage

best damage would be something like leviathan or acrius if you can get close enough

[drowsy parrot]

Nope not really

Consecrated mind damage meta is by far rockets so that statement isnt true

[jolly aurora]

they meant that wolfpack rounds was unintentionally doing more damage than it was supposed to the more people shot rockets

[cobalt abyss]

whatever meta is or will be doesn't change the past misbehavior of wolfpack

[glossy peak]

wasn’t it nerfed from 80% to 30% now

major gutting

[cobalt abyss]

no, the "80%" was a result of it being bugged to do multiple impacts and/or physics damage

so without the helpful bug it does the intended "30%"

if you want to simplify sure, it's a nerf to how much damage it was mistakenly doing before

but that's like saying arcstaff super was nerfed because it didn't one shot persys after they fixed it 😄

[glossy peak]

ah i get you, i didn’t realise that’s how it worked

that’s still a pretty major change in terms of raid dps, might be a change in meta then?

[cobalt abyss]

for raid dps rockets will still be one of the top options although there are technically better stuff like leviathan,

but rockets won't be the best everywhere and probably not worth it in dungeons from the dps loss of someone running gjally

[glossy peak]

gjally seems to be in a bad place in current meta when it works as intended. you think linears could top rockets in some raids tho? or leviathan better then them

[drowsy parrot]

No

[drowsy parrot]

?

[cobalt abyss]

similar to divinity, gjally buffs up everyone else's dps really high, but the person running it doesn't do a lot of dps, the fireteam increase buff for the other 5 people in raid makes it worth it,

only buffing 2 people in a dungeon doesn't make up the lower dps of someone running gjally, it would be better for them to just run a regular dps weapon

[drowsy parrot]

This is quite copium

The only boss you wont use gjally on is consecrated. Because you never used gjally on consecrated

[cobalt abyss]

the only copium i see is someone refusing to consider rockets not being the best choice everywhere lol

[drowsy parrot]

Why would I ignore objective fact though

Rockets will still be better than everything else

[smoky dew]

64% damage buff to two people is not worth it? it’s bugged rn has been since release i think

[cobalt abyss]

read the thread x.x

[open ginkgo]

Yeah pretty weird how in my duo rons ghorn + normal rocket still outdmges 2 normal rockets

And the dmg in a duo was never bugged

Pls just stop this I'm going crazy reading this nonsense

Ghorn is always worth unless u are solo or skill issued

And it's still by far the best dps if u do it correctly

Also the trio dmg is a lot less impacted then the 6man dmg since the more people where shooting wolfpacks the crazier it got

[drowsy parrot]

Nah trust linears (which are absolutely awful) have a chance to shine now!

[glossy peak]

mate i asked a question, i never ran a raid was just interested

[open ginkgo]

This was not directly targeted at you but the gally seems to be in a bad place is probably the craziest thing I have ever heard

[glossy peak]

mine wasn’t targeted at you either, i appreciate you giving your opinion and how it’s working in your experience. it’s like i said i’ve never ran a raid

i’m a trials player usually, but i’m trying to learn the raid meta dps, i asked ab linears bc i wanted to see where weapons are at

as obviously i don’t have a clue, as for the gjally comment, it was more of a question based on what the other guy said and what i’ve heard people say

but i appreciate you helping us who don’t know the meta/have never ran a raid

[open ginkgo]

Rockets where up to more than twice amount The dps than linears before the nerf

And before the nerf packhunter dmg scaled based on how man people where shooting packhunter(ghorn buffed) rockets

I'm gonna round a few numbers here. It was 30 for 1 60 for 2 70 for 3 75 for 4 and 80 for 5

And now it's always almost 30 no matter how many people shoot rockets

So in a 6man with all 5 using rockets its a pretty much 40-50% lose

But since often u are 4 and 1 tractor it's more like 35-45 less

And in a dungeon scenario it's about a 25-35 loss

But since rockets where way to strong they are still just very strong

And ghorn always gonna be worth running unless solo just bc it's still a very solid rocket u can do dmg with while also buffing someone else who's dmg is gonna skyrocket cause of buffstacking

The old values are from aegis ghorn video and the new ones from aegis new testing with the results on twitter

[glossy peak]

ah see i didn’t know any of that im ngl, thank you. that’s crazy i didn’t realise how strong they were and how much better rockets were than everything else

to take such a big nerf and still be on top shows that really. so for packhunter to stack only 1 person needed to use gjally?

as long as the others used rockets too obviously, but that’s mental bc as you said tractor would make that do even more. and i guess that makes it so easy to 1 phase bosses

and i can see why in a solo it’s not really worth it as much. they must have had a lot more damage then any other strategy originally then wow. thank you so much for that that’s really helpful

[open ginkgo]

U only need 1 person on ghorn to buff the whole team yeah

One of the arguments earlier that running ghorn in a trio is not worth cause the ghorn player is losing more dmg than it buffes the others

Cause ghorn does lower dmg than a normal rocket

But it does make up even in a duo

And yeah it is pretty easy to 1 phase every boss there's a video of 5 packhunter buffed blue rocketlaunchers 1 phasing every boss

Was from before the nerf

[glossy peak]

wow i can see why bungie fixed that then, oh okay i get what was going on now then. so if your in a trio your better off one ghorn and 2 rockets

then 1 ghorn a tractor and a rocket?

i couldn’t imagine 1 phasing a raid boss using a blue rocket, 1 phasing in itself seems crazy but w a blue. packhunter adds a lot of damage i didn’t realise how much

i’ll check that video out now

[open ginkgo]

Yeah tractor only makes sense in a big fireteam since everyone does more dmg which will even far outweigh the tractor guy doing less

But in a smaller fireteam there are not as much teammates to buff so that doesn't make up for the tractor guys dmg loss

[glossy peak]

so for the tractor guy what weapon are they likely to use to get the best dps after using the cannon? it’s mad how a debuff on a boss levels out w doing less dmg

[open ginkgo]

Depending on the distance, critspot and moving of the boss its double pellet shotgun, double slug shotgun or just fusion rifle dmg

Rly funny is that double shootgun tractor is still better than near all linears

[glossy peak]

oh okay that makes sense, i was watching some guy solo vog earlier and at templar he was switching between shotguns, i assume that’s why bc he was running tractor too

[glossy peak]

is sleeper essentially no good thrn? i always thought it was decent but i guess there’s so many better options

[umbral jasper]

its one of the better lfr options, but i cant rly think of that many bosses that require precision dmg

[open ginkgo]

There's some bosses where most people ussualy don't use rockets (even tho they would be better) bc it's a lot more tricky to hit the boss cause of distance and moving

There sleeper would be good

Only whisper and Leviathan breath beats it I think

The bosses are the dungeon harpy, garden harpy, oryx, new dungeon boss

[drowsy parrot]

Everyone uses rockets on harpy

[open ginkgo]

I have never seen someone use rocket on dungeon harpy outside of my speedruns

Garden harpy maybe

[glossy peak]

ah okay that makes sense thank you, from what i’ve seen, sleeper and arbalest seem to be the only lfr that are used

[umbral jasper]

cataclysmic too but less and less now

[glossy peak]

do people use them over long distance bc it would be quicker and avoids missing and then farming heavy again?

[glossy peak]

okay thank you

[umbral jasper]

no long distance in the game

[glossy peak]

yeah i remember seeing that weapon when looking up some used but it doesn’t seem as popular anymore

[glossy peak]

that’s fair enough, i appreciate your help too

[drowsy parrot]

The longest distance boss (sanctified mind) is killed with rockets

[open ginkgo]

Yeah for the normal solo templar strat u break shield and don't go for teleports so u just have a few sec of dps before going to oracle's again so u just use tractor to buff super dmg and then throw in a few slugs

Which in that case is better than unbuffed super and like 2 rockets

Also u would have more heavy problems with rockets there

[open ginkgo]

Yeah he's also almost completely stationary

The problem with missing rly only comes when moving and some distance is in combination

Like new dungeon boss or when u don't follow harpy

[glossy peak]

that makes more sense, i was watching it wondering why he was getting such short windows of dps, and yeah that was the exact strat and he was using thundercrash/pulse grenade

but i guess that’s for speed to get as much damage off as possible

[open ginkgo]

Oh I kinda forgot linears also good when the boss gets more headshoot dmg than ussual. That's only rly applying to the tech witches like kalli where its 2x. And oryx is getting 10% less not precision dmg I think

[glossy peak]

in gos? i guess at that point it becomes easy to miss if you don’t follow

[glossy peak]

oh there’s a lot of technicalities to this i didnt realise ab. so would you be better off w a linear or inzaghis tho bc i’ve seen a lot of people use that too

[open ginkgo]

Why not both

1 izi and then swap to linear

[glossy peak]

yeah fair enough acc, i was thinking both had to be exotics for a sec. but it would be better to shoot 1 izi and swap than to reload izi and shoot again?

[open ginkgo]

I'm honestly not sure what linear rotation would be the best

But sleeper is the best one rn

Even if u have a rotation for the others

But yeah if u are going for optimal dmg double slug rocket I think is the best for kalli

For shuro just everyone 1 izi and she should be at the next cap

[glossy peak]

ah okay i like the variation i’m ngl, probably best to play it safe and get a good inventory for all encounters then. thank you for all your help i appreciate it tho

[keen vapor]

Thunderlord

[keen vapor]

in what case would u ever use something other than rockets for main dps then

[keen vapor]

it is not like div at all u can do plenty of damage as gally

div must stay on target constantly, gally you can double slug, rapid fire snipe or fusion to make up for damage

[brittle shoal]

ppl really be out here forgetting gally is a clown rocket, it’s easier than ever rn to be lazy and dump it then use cb eremite

[slim sail]

Check aegis on youtube. He found that wolfpacks been dealing more damage since it's shown on wipe screen and that got fixed resulting in 30% less damage then Prior season

[open ginkgo]

Thunderlord🤝