#Warlock Builds After Starfire Nerf

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vagrant kettle
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Is there any endgame warlock builds worth using after starfire is nerfed? I'm pretty sure getting a powered melee kill for sunbracers in endgame is super cursed but correct me if I'm wrong.

tidal trail
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sunbracers will probably just overshadow starfire no matter what content your in now

vagrant kettle
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But is it actually good in endgame content (GMs)? if not, alternatives?

round bloom
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osmiomancy

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but it's stasis so eh

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aeon's if you want to be friendly

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rain of fire if you want to troll, lunafactions for neutral game, stag if you have low resil, phoenix protocol for well spam (but can be done alright with mods), contraverse hold for void

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among others of course

vagrant kettle
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Oh

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Sorry should probably mention I don't have any DLC.

tidal trail
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it is good in gms, nowhere near as good as starfire

vagrant kettle
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How do you get the melee kill

tidal trail
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i originally thought starfire was gonna get reduced to 8 percent not 2.5

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incinerator snap

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ignitions

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kinda easy to pull off

vagrant kettle
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you'd need to be real close for that...

tidal trail
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OR

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celestial fire

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way better then anything aurora mentioned

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maybe besides ossmio

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and contras

round bloom
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bro observer literally what the hell is your problem

tidal trail
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but if your f2p the only option u have is sunbracers

round bloom
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i just suggested some things

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i never said they were "THE BEST EXOTICS FOR WARLOCKS"

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they have a job and they do it alright

tidal trail
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he asked for builds worth using

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the stag is not worth using in any content

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and lunas is useless outside of a raid dps setting

round bloom
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i specifically said "stag if you have low resil" and "lunas for neutral game"

tidal trail
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an exotic slot is not worth using for resil

round bloom
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sunbracers are good, but definitely not at such an insane level

tidal trail
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way better then lunas and stag for general play

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lunas is literally F outside of raids

round bloom
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it's literally preference bro

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it's not like you won't get stuff done without sunbracers on

tidal trail
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yeah i can get stuff done with khvostov

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and a green linear fusion

round bloom
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i'm sure you could

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sunbracers are good, but there's a billion other build options that are just as good out there

tidal trail
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no there isnt

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thats a blatant lie

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all you have is necrotic grips from strand contra void and osmio

round bloom
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if sunbracers are soooooo good and no other build is nearly as perfect as it then why don't you see it used in solo content and speedruns all the time?

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not saying that speedruns and stuff are a baseline, but those runs are optimized

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if it's good, they would use it

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there's other options out there, just admit it

tidal trail
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starfire has existed for the longest time

round bloom
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k wow nice sunbracers can be used for solo nez

vagrant kettle
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so as for the sunbracers, should I run celestial or incinerator snap

round bloom
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both are fine honestly

tidal trail
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celestial fire is broken at the moment the scorch doesnt proc melee effects

vagrant kettle
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Am I going with heat rises or ic dash

tidal trail
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ic dash

tidal trail
round bloom
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you can solo root of nightmares without sunbracers

tidal trail
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have you soloed root of nightmares??

round bloom
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have you?

tidal trail
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the only other optimal build is firebolt

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which is a seasonal artifact perk

tidal trail
round bloom
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ah i see you removed your raid and dungeon reports from your bio

tidal trail
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coz i didnt want a clogged bio

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Observer#9787

round bloom
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mhmm u totally solo'd RoN

tidal trail
tidal trail
round bloom
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i don't get why you struggle so hard to admit that sunbracers are not the only viable build

tidal trail
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stag is not a viable build

round bloom
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i said it's A build

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again, if you have low resil for some reason

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it's not the best, but it's out there

tidal trail
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"is there any endgame builds worth using after starfire is nerfed"

lone breach
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stag? the one if u die u deploy a healing rift

round bloom
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it's worth using if you have, once again, low resilience

tidal trail
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its not

round bloom
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*for whatever reason

tidal trail
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it is NOT worth using if you have low resillience

lone breach
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who uses stag in endgame

tidal trail
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lunas is ONLY viable for placing down a well in a raid setting

round bloom
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in my opinion most warlock exotics don't make or break your game

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there's no star eater scales for warlocks, no falling star for warlocks

tidal trail
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thats why i said sunbracers....

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warlocks are either F tier or S tier

round bloom
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i never said that stag is one of the builds that match sunbracers lmao

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i'm pointing out that there are other builds than sunbracers that are also good, and never said stag was one of them

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or lunafactions for that matter

tidal trail
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literally every exotic is a build

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i dont know why u pointed it out

round bloom
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and there's builds that are just as good as sunbracers

tidal trail
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you didnt even answer the questions

tidal trail
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osmio is a lil underpowered but ok

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but you were the one who mentioned stag and lunas out of nowhere

lone breach
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ion think starfire will be that bad imo

tidal trail
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2.5 percent is SO slow

round bloom
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sanguine alchemy won't be too bad soon

tidal trail
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and also if i read the twab correctly

round bloom
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it might be worth, but remains to be seen

tidal trail
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it said weapon kills only for grenade regen

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which is HORRENDOUS in gms

round bloom
tidal trail
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no

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crown of tempests is literally worse then fallen sunstar

round bloom
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bro is a titan main

tidal trail
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there is no competition

tidal trail
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unless your talking about drj

round bloom
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crown is good

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not sure what you're talking about lol

tidal trail
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it is WORSE then fallen sunstar in every way

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outside of fashion crown of tempests has nothing above fallen sunstar

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maybe besides the stormtrance cooldown

round bloom
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how

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literally how

raw seal
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just kiss already guys

tidal trail
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iirc crown of tempests gives around 25% ability energy

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and fallen sunstar gives around 36%

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i dont know the exact statistics look it up on youtube

raw seal
round bloom
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😘

tidal trail
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ive been incorrect 2 times

vagrant kettle
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I have fallen sunstar

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from a free dlc period

lone breach
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lucky

lone breach
round bloom
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fallen sunstar really does not outclass crown of tempests lmao

vagrant kettle
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osteo, parasite, witherhoard

vagrant kettle
lone breach
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would vesper of radius be good coz arc shockwave every 5 sec and if ur arc subclass u blind

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doing 200 dmg shockwave and additional 100 on kill

vagrant kettle
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maaaaybe? especially since arc souls are kinda useful rn

lone breach
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mmmm i might try dat if it good

round bloom
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it's just not really the best to get up and close enough to make full use of it in harder content

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i'm thinking sanguine alchemy might be quite good

lone breach
round bloom
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no

lone breach
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Weapons kills standing in any rift pauses the countdown extending its duration

round bloom
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not for much longer

desert storm
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It will still do that in addition to the new added damage buff while in a rift.

unreal badge
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this turned into an argument thread, I'm really sorry

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People here tend to forget it's not the place for arguments but for actual help. I've been running different builds in all sorts of content (contest mode raid, master, gms) since a long time

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My favourites - that hold up in hard content - are the following:

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Void: Contraverse, Nezarecs Sin and Nothing Manacles (yes, indeed, it feels like a weaker void starfire. I used it for contest mode and tracking will be improved come S21)

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Stasis: Osmios, of course - specifically for GMs

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Solar: Luna's for when your team needs one inside of raid, Neutral game exotics like Aeons or transversives always work, starfire will still be one of them

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Sunbracers are high skill ceiling in GMs. You will rarely be close enough for incinerator snap unless you're a mad lad and celestial fire doesn't proc ignitions as reliably, so it would actually be my last choice

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Raids. Wouldn't run it except for planet add clear. Others will, it's all subjective

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Arc: I experimented with fallen sunstar, which doesn't rely on chaining kills like crown. I love it personally. Ionic traces will also give (like stasis shards) armor charge in the future so that will make it even better

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Pair it with coldheart whenever you can (obvs not in GMs) and it's fun af.

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In D2 people rarely play anything other than the meta, and only a few test any exotics out of the box. If someone parrots "this is the next meta omg skjskj". Just don't. Have fun, try exotics yourself and see what's good

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**I also forgot eye of another world, it's a passive 50% regen exotic. Again, good neutral exotic. And necrotic grips of course

tidal trail
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dont listen to the person running nothing manacles

raw seal
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“don’t listen to” bro get the stick out of ur 🍑. He asked for builds, and the guy gave him one. Let him try them out and see, some people can work builds better than others

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Nothing Manicals aren’t even that bad…would i use nez sin or contraverse instead? yea. But it’s not the trashiest exotic known to man that it has to remain obsolete

tidal trail
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they are kinda bad

subtle geyser
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With starfire gone, I feel like verity brow will rise up (wouldn't say among LFG tho).

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This leaning towards more DPS then add clear.

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Fusion nades and 2 verity brow warlocks could still pull off high dmg, maybe comparable to Starfire since high fusion dmg

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Only problem being adds have to be alive and killed before the death throne runs out

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This wouldn't be practical in some bosses like rhulk since low add density

unreal badge
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They are good until you go into GMs, they held up in contest mode add clear encounters. You argue in a help chat, and ego people because you solo'd Ron? There's really nothing more to say

dawn minnow
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Osmio stasislocks are nice to have. Strand is useful for the grapples but just get the Titan on your team to do that if possible. Sunbracers and Dawn Chorus are gonna be worth after Starfire nerfs

native vigil
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For gms phoenix protocol will be good,contraverse voidlocks and bleak watcher shadebinders but strand pretty much powercreeps stasis so don’t think stasis will be as good

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For boss dmg scenarios verity’s is a very good team based option

lone breach
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would vesper radius + frost pulse stasis warlock be good in future update?

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js a thought

dawn minnow
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Possibly? If Vesper hits after the freeze and causes shatter, you get the wombo combo of shatter damage and Vesper's shockwave

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Is it useful? Probably not

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Is it a bonus quality of life addition? Yep

bronze crater
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If you end up going stasis, just avoid groups with strand users. As someone who runs strand primarily, nothing worse than stringing up Champs only to have them taken down by stasis a second later. 😅

buoyant shadow
trim ice
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You could also replace starfire with verity’s brow, its not as good but it’ll still do the job i think

tidal trail
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and NO one is using vesper over osmio

trim ice
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^^

tidal trail
trim ice
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Vesper is too situational to ever be of significant use

tidal trail
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the only thing vesper is actually used for is duo security

tidal trail
trim ice
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A build i have suggested in the past is void devour grenade build with nezarec’s sin and a void primary with demo.

tidal trail
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I'm not egoing my solo clear. If you give a definitive arguement on something you have no experience on I'm gonna call you out

tidal trail
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and contraverse is so free

trim ice
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That being said, its just a fun build i used to use back in the day, im not a warlock main.

tidal trail
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but instead of needing to get kills with void, I would much rather charge up my grenade, delete everything in my room and have my grenade back

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you never use any ability outside of grenade on void lock

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the melee is too weak and rift isnt being used so often you need to have more then 1 every minute

trim ice
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You could use the melee to proc volatile to better get kills in higher end content but i do understand

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Its a bit of a waste to use your whole kit to kill a few red bars 10% faster than you otherwise would

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Still, if you’re going into like a legend nf or something, not a bad build

tidal trail
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It's part of why destabilizing is so bad

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volatile only lasts for 1 explosion

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which deals like 15% to a rank and file

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volatile rounds reapply volatile which is what makes them feel good

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datto has a video on it

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the melee itself can never pack a punch whenever I'm against a group of enemies

tidal trail
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it's like if div didnt have a debuff just a crit bubble

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it would be used just as much as a div with no bubble

native vigil
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niche in what sense

tidal trail
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there are barely encounters where ads spawn during damage phase

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golgoroth, atheon, templar, oryx

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and those are all reprised raids

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It's like sunbracers dps

native vigil
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golgoroth is ridled with ads,atheon has harpies, templar also has ads,oryx also has ads

tidal trail
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really good but really niche

tidal trail
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4 encounters

native vigil
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the only encounter that comes to my mind where there are no ads is maybe the harpy boss from GoS

tidal trail
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nezerac?

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explicator, caretaker, rhulk

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taniks

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sanc mind

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morgeth

native vigil
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my brother in christ all of the bosses you mentioned has ads

tidal trail
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to proc verities reliably?

native vigil
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ye

tidal trail
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I can't wait to save 1 thrall on rhulk to get death throes x1!

native vigil
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you can literally keep the final wave of thralls alive at the bottom

tidal trail
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and have people die to them...

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it is not good verities is too niche

native vigil
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people die to thralls?

tidal trail
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they die in maybe 1 aftershock of a grenade

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your better off just running a rocket

ocean plume
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this chat was funny to read 😄 bro just asked for some build viable in endgame and then i started reading this conversation xD

ocean plume
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also endgame isnt as threatening anymore these days so u got alot more room to actually just play preference based builds 🙂

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i guess builds that are already strong right now like veritys, sunbracers, osmiomancy contraverse will be usable because they are already if u look for an alternative for starfire

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but with the super changes and new stuff coming we might see some new exiting metas rising for warlocks, we will see 😄

tidal trail
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your being too optimistic

ocean plume
tidal trail
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yeah I'm not here to argue cause your not saying anything stupid but the meta shift wont be as dramatic as you think

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there's still probably gonna be set in stone builds

ocean plume
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not saying it will be, but there will always be strong and fun ways to play the game 🙂 thats all im saying. and its not always just about the most meta builds, u can play pretty mush all content with fun builds to

round bloom
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^ everyone is saying that, observer must be right

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i give up trying to explain the fact that you can play with anything you want

trim ice
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Its fine to play anything you want but the op asked for something actually good in endgame content

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Its fine to make a build that you find fun and enjoyable but isnt 10/10 but if you try to make everyone believe that its 10/10, you best be ready to be called out for it

round bloom
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there's a "good" but there's no "bad"

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good and bad are subjective

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just play how you want and you can make anything work

round bloom
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we're not promoting them as the best builds, just options

tidal trail
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I can promote literally every warlock exotic as an option

trim ice
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^^ tbh im not sure why you promoted them as options if you dont think they are the best builds. Op probably wants the best

round bloom
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if you play destiny looking for the most meta and best builds you'll burn out in days

tidal trail
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me pulling up with my stag build which requires me to kill myself

round bloom
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it gives damage reduc 🙄

vagrant kettle
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At least for me

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in general verities is better than nezeracs

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it provides some grenade recharge which is not too important bc of devour

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but it also provides some extra damage when you kill with energy which is pretty often in general

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nezzys on the other hand only gives ability regen which again isnt that useful bc devour

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i agree contra is better

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but seeing as I don’t have it and can’t get it…

magic lily
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A very good endgame build I tried is phoenix protocol with touch of malice.

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If you are constantly shooting precision hits with TOM you can have a well down before your current well is gone. If you need ad clear then thats what phoenix is for. (this is best used in gms or other hard content)

vagrant kettle
vagrant kettle
magic lily
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touch of malic is free

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and phoenix protocol might be but im not sure

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yeah phoenix is free

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touch of malice is hard to get though because you need good RNG

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you get it by completing the final encounter of kings fall

tidal trail
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you have to buy forsaken

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touch of malice also isnt a good build

round bloom
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bro chill out

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there's a million ways you could have said he's wrong in a much nicer way

magic lily
magic lily
vagrant kettle
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but no way in god is pheonix free

magic lily
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ok

round bloom
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i think it was free a while back

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like 2019 or smth i got it as my first exotic, right after riskrunner

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unreal badge
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All you did was suggest the OP like 1 exotic (sunbracers) which doesn't hold up in GMs as well unless you are a chad because you need to be close range / plan your engagements. And then you said to use celestial fire?

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Celestial fire doesn't proc as reliably, it's a known issue and we tested both out yesterday in glassway

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@tidal trail

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Unless you changed your ID, you've barely done any GMs and you're bringing that up as an argument. All the other builds / exotics I suggested I took into GMs, including fallen sunstar arc. But at this point, I'm out of the convo.

ocean plume
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and hes achieving nothing with it besides people getting annoyed by him thats all

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probably some kinda destiny-god complex going on with him because he solod nez with the bugged 4th horseman

round bloom
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on god

ocean plume
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also he obviosly has some problem needing alot of attention he doesnt get elsewhere.

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my tip just ignore him and dont give him any more relevance in this conversation, thats what he feeds on here, hes been doing this along time if u scroll up

tidal trail
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I am not egoing my solo nez clear.

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if someone says x is so easy why can't you do it and they have never even ATTEMPTED it

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then I will call them out on their BS

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if people dont like the fact that the builds they're suggesting are bad I dont care

tidal trail
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way before you came in

round bloom
tidal trail
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which I'm pretty sure allows me to talk on which builds are good

tidal trail
round bloom
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stay mad bro

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we care how you feel lol

tidal trail
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I'm not mad but ok

round bloom
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k bro

signal zenith
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Necrotic grips with strands, Sunbracers, pheonix protocol, Luna factions. You don't even need a well in raids its just most bad players want one on every DPS phase when literally DPS supers will give more dmg anyway

signal zenith
dawn minnow
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Needs add prep before an encounter though

vagrant kettle
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aparrently

vagrant kettle
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so if you have two verities warlocks you'll just be completely spamming

dawn minnow
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Give us a Verity's ornament already HyperWorREEE

sick geode
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winter’s guile + devour void 3.0 + any glaive is op. osmiomacy stasis turret build is also really really good but i see most warlocks going over to sunbracers after the nerf

magic lily
tidal trail
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and get 90% of my well sometimes back too back wells

magic lily
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yes please

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I would love to see that

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what exotic(s) are you using

tidal trail
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I dont have a clip of me but i can send you a clip of someone else using the build on youtube

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if you really want me too ill show you in game

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starfire

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back to back wells means nothing in gms when you can barely kill stuff

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i would much rather run sunbracers risk my life for 1 second and clear the whole room in a minute or less

magic lily
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ok understandable

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Sunbracers will be good now that star fire is getting nerfed

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I'm just trying to find alternitives because suinbracers are very risky

tidal trail
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My bad for saying starfire I shouldn't have said it but i completely forgot about the original post

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but if you want to play safer just play with strand

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you suspend everything and kill everything

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void warlock is also really strong, like if starfire was a 10 voidlock was an 8

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the only thing it lacked was boss/champ dps

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but again as the OP asked for, sunbracers is a good f2p option

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phoenix just isnt a good option since ashes to assets exists

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now i WOULD hear you out if ashes to assets didnt exist

magic lily
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I did find a good voidlock build as well

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this does use felwinters helm but that can be swapped for aeon

tidal trail
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no run contraverse

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what are you running aeons for

magic lily
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oh yeah that works good

tidal trail
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what does aeons do in a gm

magic lily
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I was gonna send a finisher spam build but yeah contraverse is gonna be even better next season now that chaos accelerant has 2 fragment slots

tidal trail
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nzeracs sin if your f2p

vagrant kettle
frail dagger
tidal trail
tidal trail
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yeah, verities is better then nezeracs

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but I can't say that with a 100% certainty as I haven't used verities outside of atheon

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but according to everyone I know and some research myself verities is better

frail dagger
round bloom
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verity's looks ugly 😢

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i use it but it clashes with the drip

trim ice
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Get better drip then lol

topaz crystal
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Veritys is good because it offers a load of freedom with your other stuff

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Just throw on fusion nades and you’re good to go

elder thistle
tidal trail
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ok

uneven sonnet
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💀

tidal trail
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hes acting like he got to ascendant with his stag build

lone breach
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stags the worst exotic

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both pve pvp imo

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no one standing same place u died risking getting killed

tidal trail
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dying is the exotic perk

lone breach
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which could be improved by simply using a healing rift