Exotic free Solar Warlock

[granite whale]

Hey, Im just past soft cap and my only exotic armor is Transversive Steps. Looking for any suggestions on Solar builds or really anything worth running at this stage while I try and get different exotics. Thanks!

[merry flume]

Sunbracers or starfire builds are both top tier

[granite whale]

Just need them to drop I guess?

[vast epoch]

What is your power

And do you own dlc

[granite whale]

1770 ish (Im not infront of it right now)

Currently don't own any dlc but was going to pick up the Legacy collection and maybe 30th anniversary while they are on sale.

[vast epoch]

Once you hit 1800 you get the easy path to exotic armor which is legendary lost sectors

They're 1830, but completable below that

Otherwise it's double nightfall rewards rn and hero nfs drop exotics decently often

[quaint oriole]

sunbracers aren't good

starfire for solar, contraverse for void, fallen sunsyar for arc (dont play arc) osmiomancy for stasis

[bitter lily]

If youre F2P Starfire would be your best option for now, other than that just try out different exotics

[granite whale]

Thanks everyone. I'll have to hop in some Nightfall groups then and try to get a Starfire to drop. I think I need a dlc for the current one though 😔

Can I run a Starfire build without Starfire itself until I get it though?

[bitter lily]

You can go with grenade kickstart and other mods like bomber that grant grenade energy to make a grenade based build

youre missing the starfire perks, so wont be nearly as powerful, but just work with what you have

also check xur on friday, great option to get some exotic for beginners

[granite whale]

Ok I will try this tonight. Thanks!

Xur is where I got my boots from actually, also picked up the solar handcannon he had last week because it looked cool

[vast epoch]

Did you buy the exotic engram from him too?

[quaint oriole]

you dont need dlc for starfire

[granite whale]

Didn't have enough shards at the time sadly

[granite whale]

I know, but when I was on last night, I needed dlc to do the nightfall

[quaint oriole]

ok

[thorny shard]

actually i'd stay away from starfire

it's good but gonna be nerfed soon, so you shouldn't learn to crutch on it as pve material

as dps, verity's is harder to learn and use but actually does more damage

i'd go for mantle of battle harmony for low end pve and maybe pvp, and stag for GMs

solar warlock heavily relies on well in endgame, but karnsteins can remove that need, and aeons are generally favored

for generic builds that don't lean on exotics to work, just crutch on scorch and ignitions because they're powerful and ez to proc

[bitter lily]

A lot of nightfalls are locked behind a dlc unfortunately, shadow lake and arms dealer should be f2p though

[granite whale]

@bitter lily
`Probably picking up the Legacy collection for 3 dlc anyways so that will open up options and give access to witherhoard and what not.

@thorny shard kinda sounds like I should just stick to playing around with Void and Solar until I can get some exotics drops. And try to get as much grenade energy as I can

[merry flume]

No way u jsut said that

[vast epoch]

Witherhoard shouldn't require dlc

It was a season pass weapon, those are free

[vast epoch]

Arc actually is fine and has a good neutral

Even with no exotics due to ionic traces

[granite whale]

If I try to get it from the monument it says it requires Shadowkeep

[vast epoch]

Huh

Wow they really pay wall it like that

[granite whale]

I've been enjoying arc with the riskrunner

[vast epoch]

It was free with lvl 35 on that pass lmao

[granite whale]

Happens, I'm late to the party anyways lol

[quaint oriole]

Veritys brow is bad, its not hard to learn but most dps encounters you cant rely on it and it does less damage the starfire witherhoard rocket fusion nade spam

no matter what you do

[vast epoch]

Verity is better but you need everyone on it

[quaint oriole]

mantle of battle harmony is bad and is barely noticeable in low end content

[vast epoch]

And it requires setup

[quaint oriole]

not many encounters can rely on ads spawning in

i can only really recommend it for atheon but thats it

[quaint oriole]

the stag is way too overrated, gms take like 30 mins when running it and its very inefficient

[merry flume]

for gms you should only be on starfire

Maybe sunbracers

[quaint oriole]

karnstein used to be good for things like dungeons and then you would hotswap to starfire for dps. However after the new fragments to solar warlock starfire now has healing even better then it was in s17

[vast epoch]

I mean specifically in gms there's nothing wrong with verity especially after the nerf coming

Karnstein just sucks

[quaint oriole]

starfire now requires you to play agressive which is good and the reward is so good

i would argue starfire can compete with solar titan for healing

[quaint oriole]

it is too difficult to proc death throes in gms

[quaint oriole]

sunbracers are the biggest lie ive seen the community fall for

it is NOT good

[merry flume]

u cannot be real

[vast epoch]

Eh I've been running it with double special and don't feel I struggle to keep it up

[merry flume]

why do u think their not good

U need a build for it

You can’t just run it by itself

[vast epoch]

Sunbracers suck outside of specific use cases

[merry flume]

uh no?

It’s a very strong build thag will prolly be better than starfire once it gets nerfed

[vast epoch]

It's like saying stasis Titan is good bc it does damage to riven

[merry flume]

starfire rn is better

not the same thing at all

[random dirge]

Balls, right?

[quaint oriole]

yeah cause your playing with garbage teammates in nightfall lfg

[quaint oriole]

you have to get a kill with a melee.

[vast epoch]

Which is the gameplay I build around

[quaint oriole]

thats all im going to say

[merry flume]

I would not recommend sunbracers in gms rn jsut bc of how strong starfire is

[quaint oriole]

fair but you would be doing more with starfire

[vast epoch]

I treat gms like I have to deal with all the mechanics and hard enemies lmao

[merry flume]

If u run it with snap it causes an ignition and that counts as a kill

[quaint oriole]

speaking of gms is there a catalyst for skyburners

[vast epoch]

I had to run xenophage for a couple last night bc teammates kept suiciding to interceptors

[merry flume]

??????

[quaint oriole]

you have to be point blank with snap

[random dirge]

Can any1 help me? Im struggling with power level

[merry flume]

not rlly

[quaint oriole]

not sunbracers skyburners

im r8tarded

[merry flume]

Andrew Tate fanboy brain going crazy

[quaint oriole]

make a new post

[vast epoch]

Skyburner has cata yes

[bitter lily]

yes but it only gives reload speed if im not mistaken

[quaint oriole]

rip

[vast epoch]

It's a terrible Y1 cata though yes

[random dirge]

Already made one, i just wait then?

[merry flume]

it’s also rlly annoying to get

[quaint oriole]

sunbracers will live in starfires shadow even after the nerf

[merry flume]

mmm we’ll see

The nerf is pretty fat

[vast epoch]

Starfire will still be only a 6.5s nade cd with Kickstart

That's nothing

[merry flume]

but to be fair starfire is much easier to use

[vast epoch]

It's worse than 2s right now but that's still way better and more consistent than anything else

[merry flume]

Strand builds have some@merit

[vast epoch]

Strand pretty much has broken every gm rn

It's trivialized everything because suspend is so good

3 strandlock was the easiest gm I've done

[thorny shard]

@quaint oriole lol u just said all of my suggestions were bad

but i'm talking in the eyes of someone relatively new

they're all things that just passively help while getting the hang of things

of course they're not optimal but i was also considering the options that were easy to obtain

[quaint oriole]

starfire is just as easy to obtain as other stuff

[thorny shard]

i said it already but it's getting nerfed

it's why i left it out lol

[quaint oriole]

it will be better after nerfed

[thorny shard]

they're called nerfs not buffs lmao

[quaint oriole]

better then your exotics*

[thorny shard]

not really

[quaint oriole]

it will be.

[thorny shard]

if the leaks are true starfire will kinda be obsolete unless you spec fully into it

and for a beginner it just makes more sense to have something that helps you passively

as opposed to forcing everything into one basket u know?

and tbh all these things just come down to preference lol

[quaint oriole]

its gonna be 8 %

you get a grenade every 7 seconds

every 4 with double bomber

[vast epoch]

6.5s with Kickstart and no bomber

[thorny shard]

yeah so its kinda far from what it was

good damage but kinda no fun imo

[vast epoch]

It's still gonna be by far the best warlock exotic

[thorny shard]

osmiomancy

and after ophidians nerf

i personally enjoy eye of another world a lot

its just a game of preference lmao

[granite whale]

It seems to be like there are plenty of usable exotics that will complete 90% of content

[brittle brook]

Yep

[royal coral]

Boi what

[last siren]

Phoenix dive, firebolts (double with artefact), heat rises, solace, empyreon. Run double special with atleast one solar adclear weapon.

Will give you infinite restoration x2 but won't be super high ability damage hence why you run double special.

Doesn't need any specific exotic but quite a few pair well, like rain of fire for radiant + reload, if you get sunbracers swap to solar nades, transversives work too for quick reloads + fast movement.

Only downside is no Icarus dash and heat rises slows you down on burst glide.

[granite whale]

Can you explain what Double Special means? Also why not just run Icarus dash if heat rises is worse here?

[vast epoch]

Two special weapons

[vast epoch]

You need heat rises for the restoration x2

So you either lose touch of flame or icarus dash

[granite whale]

Like swapping between them? Sorry this is probably very simple term I'm not understanding. I get having one energy weapon as Solar

[vast epoch]

Like having two special weapons equipped at once

Special weapons are the green ammo ones

[thorny shard]

idk but it seems double special ammo economy is a bit iffy

ofc it works but depending on which specials you run it's more than possible you run out of ammo

like seriously slug shotguns need better ammo 💀

[brittle brook]

Not with special finisher

[thorny shard]

does it no longer consume super energy?

thats cool

[vast epoch]

Costs 3 armor charge

Which is nothing

3 orbs

[granite whale]

Ooooh ok I understand now. Not a big fan of those types of weapons ATM but Ill see what I've got

[thorny shard]

i totally get why lol

my problem with it originally was that they were not infinite ammo

so i felt like i could never use them

cuz my subconscious kept going "but what if you need them later"

if you're the same as me my advice is just use them like you use a primary

especially grenade launchers, because they have insane ammo economy

kind of just a mental barrier tbh

[vast epoch]

If you're double specialing you have to use your heavy sometimes for special ammo

But you get so much heavy it doesn't matter

[granite whale]

Ok Ill have to try it out! Definitely a mental block.

Also because I swap between pve and PvP with the same weapons and hate running out in PvP lol

[thorny shard]

yeah pvp ammo is dog

try out bows

[granite whale]

I do like bows . Just need a decent one. Trying to get the exotic off the season pass

[brittle brook]

only good for stasis builds, sadly

[quaint oriole]

the bow sucks for stasis builds too

[granite whale]

Do you say positive things about anything other than Starfire??

[quaint oriole]

no since everything else is garbage

[granite whale]

Mmmmhmmmm gotcha

[brittle brook]

Not really, it’s just starfire is stupidly good and outclasses everything

[quaint oriole]

sunbracers suck and there isnt anything else on solar

[merry linden]

that's bait

[thorny shard]

there's one bow i would recommend

but i'm scared to say it in a public setting

it is simply too good

and i get flamed for using it in pvp

dm me if you wanna know

[thorny shard]

you're prolly just using it wrong

it's really good if you use it right

not saying it's the best but it is still good

[brittle brook]

Lemon Arc?

[vast epoch]

Verglas

[wicked canopy]

Raconteur

[quaint oriole]

it is very inconsistent with stasis builds and doesnt synergize that well. Watch dattos video on it for more detail

[quaint oriole]

getting a kill with a melee in anything that isnt a dreg simulator is a death sentence

you can't wrap your mind around someone having a different opinion then what you hear normally

[merry linden]

a warlock melee

[quaint oriole]

same thing

[thorny shard]

sorry bro but as a shadebinder main i don't need to watch youtube to know stasis stuff lol

it may be inconsistent but that's just fine with me

[quick swallow]

[quaint oriole]

shadebinder is just good

its not the bow thats carrying you

[thorny shard]

it's both

i can tell you that much for sure lmao

[granite whale]

For those who follow, I got both Sunbracers and Starfire from Xurs random engrams this week

[wicked canopy]

Lucky, good for you though.

[nova swift]

Turret binder isn’t bad, rn the game is easy enough where it’s not needed, but it certainly drifts in and out of the meta

If we ever get a really challenge piece of high add content it may be good again