what’s best dps for riven cheese?

[fair idol]

Above

[teal knot]

technically sunbracers

[sturdy mortar]

This

But swords work too

[earnest stump]

if u have 6 people u don't NEEEED sunbracers

[sonic spindle]

Well-placed wave frame GL shots are also pretty solid dps

[finite birch]

not pretty solid, the best. however most people are too brain dead to use them right

no

[civic quail]

you mean like shooting them into the Eliksni walkers and it bounces around inside geometry doing damage? never knew you could do that with riven. where to aim?

[finite birch]

you can do that, i think you mean “where do you aim to do that”

and i can’t send clips here so… figure it out ig

[earnest stump]

lament works fine

[sturdy mortar]

Sunbracers better

[finite birch]

nope

[finite birch]

doesn’t mean it’s the best

[earnest stump]

Yeah Ik he said “best dps” but I’m assuming he meant for 6man

So lament is optimal for that….

[finite birch]

no, the gl is

if lament is optimal why does the wr speed run use the gl

[sturdy mortar]

Bruh u can solo riven with sunbracers

6 melts him so fast

[finite birch]

bro fr just said “him”

[finite birch]

ok and? the gl is meta

[teal knot]

why is this a debate

lament is meta and works just fine

i have NO clue where you got the gl

sunbracers is also good but lament works just fine and you should use lament instead of sunbracers in a 6 man team

[earnest stump]

i've never seen people use a GL for it

[plucky imp]

Gl is the best unless you don’t know how to do it

[finite birch]

watch the current wr speed run

[finite birch]

ok? and? it’s meta

[finite birch]

it’s not meta, but ok buddy

[earnest stump]

what world record 1 in the 1 i just watched they used lament

also lament is meta lol

[fallow pumice]

lament is perfectly fine for dps idk wher eon earth u got urself using a GL

[finite birch]

that’s not wr then, the 13:54 uses gl

[finite birch]

it’s not meta tho

[earnest stump]

how is it not meta

[finite birch]

because there are better options that are more efficient

[earnest stump]

yes and no tho lament is super easy to use so it's normally more effective then tryna get a group of people to use GLs

[finite birch]

the gls are just easier for a better kill

[earnest stump]

i cannot see a group of people from LFG using GL effectively

also i cannot find the WR ur talking of i can only find the 14:20 1

[finite birch]

look at speedrun.com

[finite birch]

they don’t use lament effectively either anyway

the GL is just better

[earnest stump]

yeah it does seem like GLs do a lot of damage

[finite birch]

cause it’s meta

[earnest stump]

I used rocket launchers

well the whole team did.

[finite birch]

that’s not near meta

[teal knot]

it is meta for riven according to your definitions. You said veritys brow was meta for atheon

if you look CAREFULLY at the speedrun you can clearly see the person with tractor cannon is using forbearance

the others are using fourth horseman and burst supers

now unless you want to recommend a LFG TEAM

to go 2 SECONDS faster

to run 1 of the hardest loadouts to optimize

i dont think you should be telling people what to run in destiny lfg help

[finite birch]

but i didn’t (tho i’m pretty sure it would be)

[finite birch]

everyone is on the GL except tractor cause they are giving the debuff (same case if you used lament)

[finite birch]

it’s just better and easier

[finite birch]

skill issue

[finite birch]

it’s just what’s best and meta

[fathom rivet]

lament and sunbracers have shown to be fairly potent on riven

[finite birch]

the gl is just better

[fathom rivet]

which one

[finite birch]

dimensional hypotrochoid

[fathom rivet]

then why ask..?

if you believe that it's the best..? bit redundant

[naive knoll]

the heavy gl

[normal orchid]

elllo gents

[naive knoll]

wave frame

[finite birch]

it just does more damage faster

[normal orchid]

yeah heavy waveframe is bette

[naive knoll]

damage per second

[normal orchid]

and easier to use as well

since you just shoot at the roof above her head

[finite birch]

hard concept to grasp ^

[normal orchid]

and profit : )

[naive knoll]

it wont let me post link,s but look up "heavy gl vs riven" on youtube

[fathom rivet]

sun bracer is legit, incin snap ads, spam solar nades above the head

[normal orchid]

nope

way too slow on kill

[fathom rivet]

too slow?

[normal orchid]

gl and lament are both faster to kill riven

[finite birch]

and you hurt if you add more teammates using it

[fathom rivet]

solo it works

[normal orchid]

sunbracers works but lament is better

[finite birch]

the gl is even better

[normal orchid]

no random lfg is soloing riven

[normal orchid]

this too

[fathom rivet]

LFG are a special kind

[normal orchid]

95% of the people in this game are special

[fathom rivet]

I will stick to my no need to waste heavy

[finite birch]

… ok buddy

[fathom rivet]

LFG is a special breed as I said.

[finite birch]

like yourself

[fathom rivet]

Like you too.

[finite birch]

no but ok

[unborn sigil]

You can sunbracer and gl at the same time

Who knew

[teal knot]

1 person ran a gl

it is not meta

it is inconsistent even for the speedrunners

i cant tell if your bait

[finite birch]

4/5 did and the one who didn’t was on tractor

[finite birch]

it’s not tho, @jovial zephyr can you vouch for this

[sturdy mortar]

U said it’s the best option. I am simply refuting that

I am not commenting on if the gl is viable/meta, I am saying that regardless of anything in the game, Sunbracers r meta

[teal knot]

everyone else was in fourth horseman look at their loadouts

you need to learn what meta and efficiency means

[finite birch]

they aren’t tho, they swap to it after dps

[finite birch]

sunbracers are not meta tho

[teal knot]

that is simply untrue

[finite birch]

it’s true

quite true

[teal knot]

they were using it for hands first

[finite birch]

no

[teal knot]

go watch it again

[finite birch]

just did, they all use gl

[finite birch]

@teal knot i just talked with someone who has wr, they were all on heavy gl

[earnest stump]

sunbracers are super good tho

also just because u see something used in a WR doesn't mean it's super good it also needs to be easy to use

[finite birch]

the gl is incredibly easy to use and many including myself used it before the wr had it used, the wr adds credibility

[finite birch]

sunbracers are slow and fall off if you try to have more than 1 person using it

[jovial zephyr]

No it’s not

[fathom rivet]

What I have seen in videos is that GL users are running out (nearly depleting) all of their ammo for a one phase and took around 17 seconds to complete (2-3 people).

A single sun bracer (solo run) was able to kill riven in the same amount of time while spamming solar nades

[finite birch]

did you watch the kill of riven in the world record? that has 4 ppl using the gl

[fathom rivet]

How long did it take them?

send me video

Point being, solar gernades (when pair with sun bracer) seem to have a higher damage output and the kill time could be faster in a 3 man sun bracer run.

The current world record is 3 minutes 52 seconds (duo run), and I haven't seen a video from them

[earnest stump]

That heavy Gl is a new strat and only gonna be used in speeds p much or lowmans . In a 6man situation lament is still the easiest and one of the best ways

[finite birch]

it’s not tho

[finite birch]

💀 @normal orchid @jovial zephyr

[finite birch]

y’all are talking about ease of use, and it’s difficult to get 2 ppl set up with sunbracers for the phase let alone 3. that would not be good

[fathom rivet]

difficult?

You mean incinerating snapping the taken and then start spamming?

[finite birch]

cause you only get snap melee you need ads alive at the right time

and enough adds for all people

wait too long for riven to come and you lose time on dps, kill adds too soon you run out of ads and don’t kill

[fathom rivet]

keep ads alive

[finite birch]

they will all die to 1 or 2 snaps

[fathom rivet]

you get 10 seconds of infinite gernades

[finite birch]

5

[fathom rivet]

They die to 1, but yep

It's 5 woops

[finite birch]

1 or 2 as in they are gone so only 1 person gets the buff

[jovial zephyr]

This is a run that uses hard cheats bro

[teal knot]

please talk when you learn what the word meta means

[finite birch]

bro what? i’d try to be civil but how thick skulled are you? the gl is meta, explain why it isn’t?

[fathom rivet]

Lev breath is currently no.1 in heavy exotics for last iwsh

[jovial zephyr]

In a 6 man the quickest kill would not involve sunbracers, however, if you are looking for the most total damage in 1 phase but a slower kill then a combination of sunbracers and the heavy wave frame would be used

[fathom rivet]

regant is 2nd

[teal knot]

learn what the word meta is

[fathom rivet]

lament is another easy option

[finite birch]

explain why the gl is not meta then

[fathom rivet]

how is a bow beating a GL in popularity for last wish

[teal knot]

lament is much more easier, consistent and is almost (about 3 seconds) less ttk

[finite birch]

most used ≠ meta
people are idiots

[jovial zephyr]

Lament does worse damage than both

[teal knot]

lament works

[fathom rivet]

6 man of it destroyed riven so idk

[teal knot]

lament is NOT meta that is not how it works

GLS are NOT meta

[fathom rivet]

we haven't mentioned meta, only Omni has

[jovial zephyr]

It’s more than 3 seconds slower if you are using lament compared to heavy wave frame

[sturdy mortar]

Most efficient tactic available

If Sunbracers does all of Rivens health

[finite birch]

much more easier is not grammatically correct, but the gl is by far easier

[sturdy mortar]

In the same time, with one person

[fathom rivet]

17 seconds, 1 person (only thing on yt rn)

[jovial zephyr]

This does not factor in that it is a slower kill

[sturdy mortar]

It is the most EFFICIENT tactic available

[sturdy mortar]

It’s a fckn solo my guy

[finite birch]

efficiency includes speed

[sturdy mortar]

It rly is

[finite birch]

a team running sunbracers wouldn’t work due to lack of ad density

[fathom rivet]

a solo GL run did 1/6 to 1/5 of riven

[jovial zephyr]

If you are going for a fast kill use wave frames if that does not matter and you just want to do as much damage across 1 phase then use sunbracers and the gl

[sturdy mortar]

Ight bro u trippin

It’s really not complicated, 1 Sunbracers does more dps

[jovial zephyr]

Yeah my fault dawg you def know more about the raid then I do

[finite birch]

what does dps mean?

[sturdy mortar]

Damage per second dumbas

[finite birch]

so did you read takos message

cause correct me if i’m wrong but a faster kill means more damage per second

[sturdy mortar]

I don’t need to know more about the raid to look at simple data and make an observation

[finite birch]

and wave frames give a faster kill

[sturdy mortar]

6 wave frames

How fast was the kill?

[finite birch]

you wouldn’t be able to set up 6 sunbracers and make it work

[sturdy mortar]

That doesn’t matter

[jovial zephyr]

About 3 seconds or so

[sturdy mortar]

Most efficient tactic availabile

[jovial zephyr]

If you had 6 ppl on sunbracers it would be slower

[fathom rivet]

you can pre prep for boss

[sturdy mortar]

U don’t need 6 on Sunbracers

[fathom rivet]

throw them on the wall above the boss instead of doing it right as it pops = more blobs of magma

[finite birch]

yeah the gl is most efficient

[sturdy mortar]

U used the word meta

Sunbracers is more efficient in every definition of the word

[jovial zephyr]

Not if you are going for the fastest kill possible which involves sending which means you have no time to set up and pre throw nades

[sturdy mortar]

Higher dps, higher total damage = more efficient

[fathom rivet]

fastest possible is set up

[jovial zephyr]

It is higher total damage not higher damage per second

[sturdy mortar]

Bruh ur just wrong on that

[finite birch]

but it has diminishing returns when increases player count using it

[jovial zephyr]

No I’m not

[sturdy mortar]

1 gl cannot solo riven in her given dps phase

[jovial zephyr]

Hence why it is more dps and less total damage

[sturdy mortar]

Huh??? It doesn’t work like that

[fathom rivet]

Fastest kill doesn't have a defined meaning just because you give it one and a good chunk of your statement adds context from other places

[jovial zephyr]

Yes it does

[finite birch]

i mean with the right bounce you could get pretty close

[fathom rivet]

Fastest kill is how long it takes for that thing to die

if we go off word meaning

[jovial zephyr]

With the gl you only need to shoot 1 mag to kill in a 6 man, which means you do not have to reload, which means much higher dps since it takes almost no time to shoot 5-7 shots of a wave frame

[fathom rivet]

Actually people are reloading

[sturdy mortar]

Dude ur actually smoking a pack rn

[finite birch]

who?

[fathom rivet]

Basically everyone who pre fires on riven

[finite birch]

in that video?

[fathom rivet]

with a GL to figure out when the DPS is

[fathom rivet]

no as a whole whoever pre-fires is reloading since no way you ending riven in what 36 shoots? and adding supers

[finite birch]

why would you pre fire

[finite birch]

wdym no way, you saw the video

[fathom rivet]

DMG

[fathom rivet]

Some were prefiring

[finite birch]

ok and? riven died in 3 seconds

[sturdy mortar]

U do a little under half is health with the gl overall, with 1.5 seconds to spare

[fathom rivet]

the statement of it being 1 mag is incorrect

[jovial zephyr]

I really don’t like going here but you have 6 clears and your pb is a 37 minute wish wall so I don’t consider you to have any idea what you are talking about

[sturdy mortar]

Bro I did the raid 5 times for the gun and called it a day

This is not a question of raid experience it’s a question of numbers

[jovial zephyr]

That’s awesome more power to you, but you do not have enough experience in the raid to have a valid opinion on the topic

[finite birch]

it’s not tho, what’s good on paper isn’t always good in practice look at communism for example

[sturdy mortar]

When we r talking about the word u used, meta, it is

U said “gls are the best”

[jovial zephyr]

You are questioning my knowledge of what is the best damage on a boss in a raid I have 260x your clears in

[finite birch]

no because ease of use is a factor for meta, from what i’ve been told by people here

[sturdy mortar]

Touch grass bro

[finite birch]

and fastest run! (not to boost your ego too much)

[fathom rivet]

Fastest is 3:52

[sturdy mortar]

You want 6 people to learn how to gl angle bounce over 1 person to throw grenades in the same spot

[fathom rivet]

his is 6:43

[jovial zephyr]

That’s api not rta

[earnest stump]

😭💀

[jovial zephyr]

If you go to speedrun.com it will not include cheated times

[fathom rivet]

Well you can say that to the few hundred that are in the 3 minute marc

[earnest stump]

wish wall clears 🙏

[finite birch]

yeah, it’s not hard bud

[sturdy mortar]

Neither is throwing grenades at a ceiling

[finite birch]

they are hard cheats to get that

[fathom rivet]

so thats..... over 200 people with cheats

[unborn sigil]

the bilibili

[finite birch]

yeah but the gl is more consistent and easier

[finite birch]

yes, welcome to destiny!

[jovial zephyr]

Yep

[unborn sigil]

there was one guy who got like 45 fireteams clears in contest mode ron with the bilibili xeno

[fathom rivet]

Nice theory.

I can't agree or disagree

[earnest stump]

Your talking to mfs who farm last wish

[sturdy mortar]

By what standard, ur saying it’s easier and more consistent, but have provided no explanation for how it is

[fathom rivet]

speed run

[earnest stump]

They know what they’re saying bro .

[sturdy mortar]

Losers*

[jovial zephyr]

That is why people do not use raid report to see what the fastest time in a raid is since most of the top times include people using hard cheats or network manipulation

[finite birch]

it’s not a theory, and we are talking about a full clear not wish wall

[fathom rivet]

If we go by actual evidence then 4:33 is fastest

[unborn sigil]

only one person in a team needs to cheat for all 6 to be listed as speedrunners

[earnest stump]

yes

[finite birch]

you aim and shoot left click, no ads needed, just place a well and shoot

[fathom rivet]

Speed run is a full clear

[jovial zephyr]

That is the wish wall world record yes

[unborn sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/bilibili-destiny2-gos-garden-garden-of-salvation-gif-24218339

[fathom rivet]

Normal fresh

[jovial zephyr]

The full run time doing every encounter is 13:54

[sturdy mortar]

You aim and grenade with 2 add kills and ur other teammates can melee dps if they feel like it

[earnest stump]

Wish wall and full run is different

[finite birch]

bro this is like telling doctors their medical diagnosis is wrong because you looked at web md

[unborn sigil]

wish wall is a fresh run as far as RR is concerned

[earnest stump]

wish wall is any %

[finite birch]

we are talking about a full clear, not wish wall

[unborn sigil]

my junglers in league are medical doctors and tell me i have cancer daily

[finite birch]

but it’s slower overall and not as efficient by extension

[fathom rivet]

if it's full run then what does that place your 6 minute at if it states 13:54 to complete a full run

[sturdy mortar]

It’s slower cus 1 person is doing it

[finite birch]

yes, exactly

[earnest stump]

⁉️⁉️⁉️

[sturdy mortar]

U know what bro, ur impossible to argue with, go do another 1500 runs of last wish

[finite birch]

his 6 minute is a wish wall, it does not count for fastest full run, though he is also on the team who got the current world record of 13:54

[jovial zephyr]

The 6 minute run is a wish wall, which is not considered when submitting a time to a leaderboard that only includes times with all encounters

[finite birch]

i’m not trying to argue, i’m explaining it’s not more efficient because it’s not faster and it’s not easier and its worse when you have more than 1 person

[fathom rivet]

Then why did we bring up full clear when his was a wish wall too?

[earnest stump]

⁉️⁉️⁉️

[jovial zephyr]

Because having a 37 minute wish wall is rather embarrassing

[earnest stump]

Bro does NOT know speedrun.com

[fathom rivet]

we were talking bout wish walls apparently then they bring up full clear

[finite birch]

we’ve been talking about full clears the entire time

[earnest stump]

They are wish farmers they know what they’re saying

[sturdy mortar]

Also bro that’s like me saying that u can’t tell me lmgs r not the best for dsc or vow because I have more clears than u cuh

[fathom rivet]

I mentioned Takoro's 6 minute run

[earnest stump]

⁉️⁉️⁉️

[finite birch]

lmgs aren’t good for dsc

[sturdy mortar]

That’s my point

[earnest stump]

Thunder lord for dps 🔥🔥🔥

[finite birch]

and we said that’s a wish wall, it doesn’t matter

[fathom rivet]

wich was just confirmed to be a wish wall, and then I mentioned the fastest run (didnt specificy wish wall or full) which was 3 then you go onto talking bout full clear

[sturdy mortar]

But should I be able to bring up raid experience and say that I know more because of a #

No of course not

[earnest stump]

Yes normally yes.

[jovial zephyr]

What number exactly

[earnest stump]

people who farm clears usually know what they’re saying

[finite birch]

we are saying people don’t count wish walls as fastest runs because they aren’t a full clear, the fastest full clear is takorokos 13:54

[sturdy mortar]

More vow clears, solo>flawless

[earnest stump]

Solo vow⁉️⁉️💀

[jovial zephyr]

How much dps does sunbracers do compared to 1 mag of the heavy gl

[fathom rivet]

you want the videos?

[sturdy mortar]

1 mag?

[fathom rivet]

6 shots

[jovial zephyr]

I would like to know the numbers since you are so fixated on them

[fathom rivet]

Give me amin to send

[finite birch]

no! they are no life weirdos who need to touch grass, why would i listen to the people who know how to do the raid the best!?!?

[sturdy mortar]

Dude that’s like saying fourth horseman has the best dps because of its 1 mag dps

[finite birch]

are you saying you have more vow clears than me?

[sturdy mortar]

Dps is different from burst damage

[jovial zephyr]

The videos that show the numbers comparing the damage per second of 1 mag of the heavy wave frame to sunbracers

[sturdy mortar]

Did I rely to u when I made the comment?

[finite birch]

if it kills in 1 mag then yes

[earnest stump]

So true I’ll rather sit in a 2hr run w gamer dads then people who have duos on raids …

[jovial zephyr]

It does tho

[finite birch]

me who has duo flawless dsc and 900+ clears

[sturdy mortar]

1 gl does not kill riven in 1 mag

[fathom rivet]

Trying to find that solo gl

[jovial zephyr]

Since damage per second does not include total damage

[sturdy mortar]

It doesn’t, it has higher burst damage

[finite birch]

we are talking about 6, and dps is how much damage per second

[earnest stump]

duo taniks is cancer I could never lmao

[jovial zephyr]

Higher damage per second

[earnest stump]

Trio was easy but duo is cancer

[sturdy mortar]

Dps is done over a certain period of time

[jovial zephyr]

Lmfao

[finite birch]

that’s dps

[jovial zephyr]

No it’s not it is the amount of damage you do per 1 second

[finite birch]

damage per second, high damage per second = high burst damage

[earnest stump]

[finite birch]

it wasn’t too bad, 3 phased in my run

[sturdy mortar]

No it’s not, izanigis dps over 2 mag ( a reasonable period of time) is different than saying that it’s has X dps because it does X damage in one shot

[normal orchid]

No it's not ...

[jovial zephyr]

Yes it is, that is why I said compare it to 1 mag of the wave frame since that’s how long it takes to kill riven

[finite birch]

if you have time for 1 shot only then that’s it’s dps

@sturdy mortar you are talking about a weapons sustained dps, not it’s general dps

[sturdy mortar]

Bruh

[fathom rivet]

Takoro sent you the vids

[earnest stump]

[normal orchid]

Lol

D2 lfg moment

[jovial zephyr]

I have seen these! My point still stands

[sturdy mortar]

It has to be sustained over some period of time

[finite birch]

1 mag

[sturdy mortar]

Or else it’s just so as much damage as possible in a frame

[normal orchid]

Dps means damage per second

[finite birch]

that’s dps

[normal orchid]

Dpm is damage per minute

Dpm is a better measure of sustained damage

[jovial zephyr]

You’re right! Which is why I said compare it to 1 mag! That’s how much it takes to kill riven!

[normal orchid]

Dps is a better measure of burst damage

[sturdy mortar]

From what part of sunbracers?

[normal orchid]

With 3-2 splits tho

[sturdy mortar]

It’s peak is theoretically infinite

[normal orchid]

With the stasis waveframe

[finite birch]

for sunbracers too tho so it’s negligible

[jovial zephyr]

Compare it to the DAMAGE PER SECOND of sunbracers

[normal orchid]

Fair

[sturdy mortar]

Sunbracers dps varies

[normal orchid]

Sunbracerw damage per second is far lower then new gl or lament

[finite birch]

that lacks consistency then, making the gl still better

[jovial zephyr]

From when the boss appears to how long it takes to shoot 1 mag of the wave frame!

[sturdy mortar]

Aight I’ll do the math rn

[finite birch]

@earnest stump

[normal orchid]

Lmao

We getting cretin in here

[finite birch]

it’s ok he has me blocked, he won’t get pinged

[normal orchid]

Lmao

I could care less if he gets pinged

[finite birch]

lol

[normal orchid]

@earnest stump ong riven damage

[earnest stump]

dude wtf is this

[finite birch]

@jovial zephyr tho you have a ton of clears and experience and the world record speed run in not going to listen to you because i see some numbers that are funny

[earnest stump]

theres no way this is a actual channel that was made

[normal orchid]

It's a discussion

[earnest stump]

why

[normal orchid]

Not a channel

[earnest stump]

okay but why

[normal orchid]

Idk lmao someone posted it

[earnest stump]

1 tractor 5 Laments. thats all you need

[jovial zephyr]

I have been pinged here and have nothing going on at work so I am only still replying for my entertainment

[earnest stump]

thats the best option

[fathom rivet]

Keaton we just aruging about sun bracer vs gl

[sturdy mortar]

For 1 person on gl with tractor, sunbracers does ~60% mores dps

[normal orchid]

I'm at home and I'm done my work so I'm chillin

[fathom rivet]

for the past few hours

[finite birch]

lmao, i’m only here cause i saw it and am bored on vacation visiting colleges

[earnest stump]

oh

[normal orchid]

You are tripping

[jovial zephyr]

Source: I made it up

[normal orchid]

This is just completely wrong

[finite birch]

give proof

[fathom rivet]

Keaton what's your opinion overall?

if you care

[earnest stump]

well the GL is better. they both solo however the GL does the same damage a lot faster.

[finite birch]

ngl, may as well ask destiny science discord folk to do the math

[normal orchid]

Finally something you said that's not spew

[finite birch]

ain’t no way this guy listens to keaton but not tako

[earnest stump]

i don't spew when it comes to last wish.

[normal orchid]

He doesn't know tako

[fathom rivet]

I don't know keaton

[normal orchid]

Lmao

[sturdy mortar]

Homie I just put the videos together, measured the amount of time it takes for gl to do it’s damage, the. Compared both healthbars (sunbracers in the same amount of time)

[finite birch]

i have a document that says otherwise, about some hunters in last wish

[sturdy mortar]

It’s very visibly more

[finite birch]

what videos are you comparing

[sturdy mortar]

The original solo 1 floor, and the fastest gl dps I could find

[earnest stump]

lets assume you're right and they're both the same right. one of them only works if you're specifically on a warlock while one is a universal option as long as you have the weapon so either way the GL is still better.

[sturdy mortar]

If u would like to provide me one to compare to I certainly will

[finite birch]

compare the wr speed run kill to sunbracers

you won’t have more than 1 sunbracers, it’s not reasonable to do consistently

[normal orchid]

Look at the current speedrun wish wr

[fathom rivet]

so a solo vs a 6 man

[earnest stump]

thats not what hes comparing though. hes comparing solo riven with the GL vrs Solo Riven with Sunbracers

[sturdy mortar]

Not taking about 6 people

[finite birch]

you won’t have more than 1 sunbracers anyway

[sturdy mortar]

We r talking solo

[normal orchid]

Because you can only have one person on sunbracers

[fathom rivet]

in theory

[earnest stump]

okay so wait

[jovial zephyr]

No Keaton they’re not

[finite birch]

in practice

[fathom rivet]

says who?

[earnest stump]

does multiple people using Sunbracers stack damage

[normal orchid]

I don't think anyone is doing solo riven farms just sayin

[jovial zephyr]

They are comparing the dps of sunbracers to the gl, and just the dps not the total damage

[fathom rivet]

the only thing limited by is the physical orb of solar gernades.

[sturdy mortar]

I am comparing the dps of one sunbracers, to 1 gl

[fathom rivet]

blobs aren't limited in how many can hit at a time

[finite birch]

yeah but it’s not reasonable to have multiple people proc it and keep it up during the dps phase

[normal orchid]

Yes but there won't be enough ads to warrant multiple sunbracers

[earnest stump]

also you have to remember the amount of set up it takes to do the Sunbracers thing

[normal orchid]

Exactly

[sturdy mortar]

More than finding an angle for the gl?

[finite birch]

i said this earlier

[earnest stump]

multiple people doing it isn't possible.

[finite birch]

it’s such a simple allignment

[jovial zephyr]

Yes

[sturdy mortar]

If we r specifically talking about riven, it’s really not hard

[sturdy mortar]

But that’s not what we r comparing

[earnest stump]

the angle for the GL is easy. you just shoot at the roof and all the gl's bounce down and do insane damage no set up

[normal orchid]

It's called shooting at the roof above her head

[fathom rivet]

You start like 5 seconds before riven comes out

[finite birch]

we are, read the channel name

[sturdy mortar]

We r talking strictly numbers

[fathom rivet]

i don't know how many you could do in a full cycle if you didn't do preep

[earnest stump]

okay then the GL is still better. with less set up.

[normal orchid]

The channel is literally named riven dps

[finite birch]

that’s not where you shoot, watch the 13:54

[fathom rivet]

nobody has done a video on doing it as riven pops

[normal orchid]

The roof works too

[fathom rivet]

so flavor could do that

[finite birch]

clip? i haven’t seen it shot there

[normal orchid]

Sometimes I kill myself on the wall bounce idk the perfect spot for it

[normal orchid]

Keaton might have the vid saved

[earnest stump]

like listen even if they both solo and can both do the same amount of damage. The GL would still be better simply because it doesn't require a specific character or all the set up to actually do the damage.

[finite birch]

keaton blocked me

[sturdy mortar]

Send a video of solo w gl

[normal orchid]

@earnest stump send Omni the vid of the roof gl shooting

[finite birch]

and is more reasonable in a 6 man setup

[sturdy mortar]

I haven’t seen one yet

[earnest stump]

exactly

[normal orchid]

Because you don't have enough ammp

And this discussion thread isn't about solo damage

It's about best dps for riven cheese

Which is the new gl by a longshot

[earnest stump]

and for solo cheese the GL is still better

[finite birch]

with the right perfect 1/10000 lineup you could in theory kill riven in 1 shot i’m p sure

[earnest stump]

DM me if you want the solo video

[sturdy mortar]

You haven’t read the whole feed, I specifically interjected to state that gls where not the de facto best option, as Omni had said

[earnest stump]

fast foward a bit so you can see him have tractor and surges

[normal orchid]

Gls are the best option

[sturdy mortar]

Ur on friends only

[earnest stump]

i'm not its you.

my dm's are public

[finite birch]

gls are the best

[sturdy mortar]

Mine should be too

[finite birch]

discord brrrr

[earnest stump]

idk me personally. i love arguing with people with hundreds some thousands of more clears than me and even people with record.

[finite birch]

you have that in common with @sturdy mortar !!!!

[earnest stump]

no lmfao

theres like 7 people in the world with more legit clears than me.

[normal orchid]

Snaps 🙂

[earnest stump]

and yes i have argued with them over minscule things before (which i ended up being right about AKA hunter) but thats not important this discussion is for DPS for riven cheese

[finite birch]

and thorns still better.
anyway i gotta go do my duolingo y’all, @sturdy mortar @fathom rivet @teal knot i hope you guys learned what’s actually good

[earnest stump]

hes not.

[normal orchid]

Rip lmao

[earnest stump]

hes just a junkie whos going to overdose one day and be in a body bag in the next few years

[fathom rivet]

I just learned that we, LFGs, argue a crap ton more then I expect

[finite birch]

and next time maybe don’t argue with people who have so much more experience than you (especially those with record), it’s like telling a doctor they are wrong cause you looked at web md

[normal orchid]

💀

[earnest stump]

that was out of pocket i apologize

[normal orchid]

Yeah maybe a little out of pocket

[finite birch]

duolingo is calling man!

[earnest stump]

@normal orchid join call in my server

[sturdy mortar]

The video u sent definitely changes the math

Still doing it now but I will also test ur angle later in the week

Cus I haven’t seen anyone else do that yet

[normal orchid]

Give me 2 minutes I'm getting on my pc

[earnest stump]

me being right thats crazy who could imagine that 😵‍💫

[fallow pumice]

why is this still dragging🤦‍♂️

[earnest stump]

i have to go shower real quick give me 15 minutes.

[fallow pumice]

😭

[sturdy mortar]

I certainly overlooked something but the damage between both r tight

[earnest stump]

its not i already brought all the facts to the table and everyone else has admitted their wrongs and moved on. i'm simply just talking with flame cloud.

[sturdy mortar]

Gonna actually require work now

[earnest stump]

its not the GL is free with way less set up.

[earnest stump]

fast foward in the video when he has Tractor and Stasis Surges.

[normal orchid]

the gl is way better

[earnest stump]

also when was this chat formed?

and why were people disagreeing with tako?

[sturdy mortar]

Way too long ago

No one went after him

[finite birch]

cause they don’t like to listen to people who know things

[sturdy mortar]

I don’t like listening to ur bs bruh

[finite birch]

what bs

[sturdy mortar]

U were saying stuff with no proof

[earnest stump]

😲

[finite birch]

like?

[sturdy mortar]

You kept saying “ it’s better because tako says so”

[finite birch]

no

[normal orchid]

idk

[earnest stump]

not riding but. tako has record and has done the testing. so that is the evidence

[finite birch]

that just reinforced my point

[sturdy mortar]

I’m not disputing his record

[earnest stump]

read the 2nd part of my sentence

[normal orchid]

well tako has the experience to say

[sturdy mortar]

My argument was with Omni, and when he failed to prove it he brought tako in

[earnest stump]

and eventually i got brought in and then solved the problem

[sturdy mortar]

How?

By giving numbers and data

[earnest stump]

you saw GL's are better

i linked the video

[finite birch]

nah, i brought tako cause someone said something stupid that was funny

[sturdy mortar]

Discord time gate makes typing wierd sometimes

[sturdy mortar]

Tf is this

[normal orchid]

lol

[sturdy mortar]

Again, ur spew bs

My argument was solely with u

[earnest stump]

They both solo. so if thats the case its just down to which is the easiest and requires the least set up as to which is better. so when it comes to solo damage the GL is better.

[finite birch]

that was abt consistency, so i brought in someone who has killed riven hundreds of times while getting world record to explain consistency

that argument wasn’t even with you

[sturdy mortar]

So this was a lie

[finite birch]

i was talking abt later when i pinged him again

he didn’t stay the first time

when i also pinged cloud later on

[sturdy mortar]

Another example of statements without anything to back it

[normal orchid]

werent you gonna shower

[earnest stump]

now lets talk about 6 man damage. the solar nades only one person can do however multiple people can do the GL. so in a situation to where multiple people are doing damage the GL is still better.

[sturdy mortar]

That was never in the debate

[finite birch]

if you read around you can see my reasons why, i’m not re typing it every single message, i’d hit the word limit

[earnest stump]

ik i am just bringing it up. because they both solo.

[normal orchid]

they both also solo

and gl soloes far easier

[sturdy mortar]

…

[jovial zephyr]

Glad this was resolved 🙏 Hopefully we can all be friends now 😄

[sturdy mortar]

…

[sturdy mortar]

…

[sturdy mortar]

…

[sturdy mortar]

…

[sturdy mortar]

…

[sturdy mortar]

…

[normal orchid]

why yall arguing

[finite birch]

@sturdy mortar

[normal orchid]

its been tried and tested the gl is just better

[earnest stump]

Flavory did you read any of what i just said??

[sturdy mortar]

Oh nah I was bring up his random “it’s meta” s as excuse for everything

[finite birch]

flavory what more evidence do you want outside of the literal world record speed run where they kill in 3 seconds ? tako vouched for consistency

[finite birch]

and the wr speed run is proof

[finite birch]

@sturdy mortar

[sturdy mortar]

Wr speed runs used to go oob to kill the vandal in crypt security

[teal knot]

anything works for riven

[sturdy mortar]

That doesn’t make that the meta

[finite birch]

no speed run did that, iirc it was banned from speed run.com

[jovial zephyr]

This was never allowed 😂

Not a single run did this to my knowledge

[finite birch]

you’re right there was no easy consistent fast setup for the box drop

[sturdy mortar]

Lmaooo

Bruh ur actually crazy

[finite birch]

read the forum title

[sturdy mortar]

They did the same thing for atrax

[finite birch]

no, they oobed in order to debuff the captain, the kill was still in bounds

[earnest stump]

omni you're the reason this argument is still going on. i already showed him all the evidence and brought up the valid points and he agreed but because of your bickering he is still choosing to have conflict with you.

[sturdy mortar]

Nah bro u whack

[jovial zephyr]

The runs you are referring to (I think), are using hard cheats

[finite birch]

i’m bored af rn, i have time

[earnest stump]

if he chooses to not listen then just move on

[sturdy mortar]

No u could use salvations to break through the door

[teal knot]

everything was answered within the first 4 messages

[finite birch]

the current wr dsc speedrun doesn’t do any of that also

[finite birch]

no one did that for speeds

[earnest stump]

why are we talking about DSC

stop you idiots

[finite birch]

not sure but i’m bored

[earnest stump]

also the run you're talking about with the oob and etc is a API run not RTA.

[sturdy mortar]

Cus speed run strats r not a definite answer for the best dps

[earnest stump]

LOOK AT THE CHANNEL DISCUSSION NAME

[sturdy mortar]

Read my fckn message again dumbas

[finite birch]

yeah, they are. speed runners would never use less than best strats, that’s counterintuitive

[earnest stump]

wish and dsc do not relate whatsoever

[sturdy mortar]

Dude the wr always changes lmao

[earnest stump]

dsc is entirely irrelevant to this conversation

[finite birch]

cause strats change

and people get better

[sturdy mortar]

If tmrw someone uses 6 sunbracers and gets the wr r u gonna say sunbracers is better?

[earnest stump]

only 1 person can use sunbracers so your statement is invalid.

[finite birch]

they wouldn’t

[sturdy mortar]

U can have more than 1

[earnest stump]

also theres only 3 warlocks in a run of wish and only two of them are on solar.

[finite birch]

if someone shows PoC of a better kill with sunbracers then i’d be convinced but they haven’t

[sturdy mortar]

It just gets progressively more difficult

[normal orchid]

NO YOU CANT

YOU HAVE NO BRAIN

[finite birch]

those two aren’t even together on a side for dps

[normal orchid]

the more you have the less ads you can kill

so its literally useless to have more

[earnest stump]

ik thats my point

[sturdy mortar]

There is enough ads for 6 people to kill 2

[earnest stump]

dude

[normal orchid]

no

[earnest stump]

please watch the solo sunbracers video

[normal orchid]

there arent

you are using incinerator snap

[earnest stump]

and see how many ads he needs before hand and during damage for just himself

[normal orchid]

so the melee will fan out

and kill multiple ads

[sturdy mortar]

U don’t have to use it cuh

[finite birch]

make a PoC then feel free to show us, but when testing ik ppl who struggled to make it work with 2 people.

[sturdy mortar]

Use the other melee

[earnest stump]

you have too in the set up

[normal orchid]

celestial fire is bugged

it does not work 90% of the time

[sturdy mortar]

The gl dps is a bug

[finite birch]

it doesn’t work for sunbracers consistently since solar 3.0

[normal orchid]

no its not

[finite birch]

it’s been a thing since raid launch

[earnest stump]

its not a bug. its the GL's bouncing between the wall and riven.

any waveframe has been able to do that for over 5 years on riven

[finite birch]

and celestial fire is bugged in a way that hurts you, not helps you

[sturdy mortar]

I’m aware of that

[normal orchid]

exactly

[sturdy mortar]

But it’s an unintended interaction

[normal orchid]

so its not bugged its just the game's physics engine

[normal orchid]

ok and?

[sturdy mortar]

Lack thereof a proper engine

[normal orchid]

duh

[earnest stump]

bungie already said that would be changing sunbracers, solar nades and nerfing one of the two.

[finite birch]

riven cheese is unintended, people still do it, you have a hollow skull i stg

[sturdy mortar]

Link

[sturdy mortar]

U do 2

[earnest stump]

why did you comment this?

[finite birch]

yeah? but i’m not complaining about gls being good on riven

[sturdy mortar]

I can respect the other people’s accomplishments in this argument, not urs

[earnest stump]

damn

[sturdy mortar]

I’m not complaining about them being good

[finite birch]

^

[sturdy mortar]

Since Keaton sent me the link, I am arguing about u being stupid asf

This has nothing to do with the dps meta anymore

[earnest stump]

lmfao

[sturdy mortar]

It hasn’t for quite a while

[finite birch]

tf? we are literally talking about it rn

[sturdy mortar]

I want to know what stupid part of your brain thinks the best response to “gls are not the best dps” is “ yes they are it’s meta”

[finite birch]

this is about riven dps

[finite birch]

it is meta, look at wr kill, it’s a 3 second kill

[sturdy mortar]

It was brought up in response to u believing that wr speed runs are the absolute end all be all of dps

[finite birch]

they are ngl, unless strats changed but the run im referencing was like a week ago and they haven’t

@sturdy mortar can you give an example as to why world record speedruns wouldn’t be the best dps choice?

[sturdy mortar]

Difficulty to execute, rng, and the fact that it may not be the highest dps, but may be the most consistent for the situation

[finite birch]

if it’s most consistent but not highest dps lfg would still consider it meta and best

[sturdy mortar]

Ur dad actually must have been dropped on his balls when he was little.

[finite birch]

name something that’s difficult to execute, everything is aim and shoot

[sturdy mortar]

There’s no way ur this slow

[sturdy mortar]

Slipstreaming

[finite birch]

we are talking about dps buddy

[sturdy mortar]

I was answering ur question buddy

[normal orchid]

not at all true but ok

[finite birch]

not relating to this convo tho

[sturdy mortar]

Maybe use the second braincell the next time u type something

[normal orchid]

if you arent using highest dps in a wr you are massively throwing

[finite birch]

read when i say “dps choice”

@sturdy mortar

[sturdy mortar]

Don’t ping me again

[finite birch]

exactly (unless it’s too inconsistent but then again, no lfg would do that either)

@sturdy mortar you are just wrong and went off topic from dps to mention slipstreaming of all things, wr most often has best dps choices unless strats change

[sturdy mortar]

But like, the highest dps is when winterbite takes 80% of the health down immediately, dps doesn’t mean consistently

[earnest stump]

Flavory this isn't a very constructive argument. if you want to prove someone wrong, rather than calling them names or insulting them you should bring up valid points and evidence.

[normal orchid]

winterbite is a bugged dps strat lmao

[sturdy mortar]

My argument is his lack of evidence

[finite birch]

“so is gl on riven” 🤓

[sturdy mortar]

I am beyond arguing the best dps

[finite birch]

what more evidence than a clip of the kill do you want bud?

[finite birch]

we were talking abt wr runs using the best dps options (which they do for the time they are made)

[sturdy mortar]

U didn’t give the evidence, you rode until someone else stood up, and made a clear statement he could support

[finite birch]

i said watch the wr record run on speedrun.com

[earnest stump]

aka me

[finite birch]

what more do you want?

[sturdy mortar]

Ight bro ur not changing ur opinion I’m done with this sht

[earnest stump]

😲

[finite birch]

you make no sense, you are saying i’m not giving evidence tho i did, and when i ask what more evidence i should’ve given you revert back to saying i gave none

[earnest stump]

you didn't really give him evidence. you just said look at record or listen to this person. and even though your information and sources are valid and people SHOULD listen to that.

[earnest stump]

the average player wants facts and information to prove what you're saying.

[finite birch]

i’d say a video showing that a kill is fast is enough facts

@sturdy mortar

[sturdy mortar]

cnt

[finite birch]

@sturdy mortar

[sturdy mortar]

i said dont ping me mf

[finite birch]

my bad

@sturdy mortar

oops misclicked mb

@sturdy mortar

oops there i go again, slippery fingers

[sturdy mortar]

i feel harassed

[finite birch]

@marsh lodge read from the top down, it’s a lot, but it’s funny

[marsh lodge]

This is the dumbest thread

@sturdy mortar stfu 6 the 10s are talking

[finite birch]

it is, it was good content when i was bored tho

[sturdy mortar]

Ur homie here is a cck ryder bro

[finite birch]

nope but ok buddy

[earnest stump]

imagine thinking ranks mean anything

[sturdy mortar]

Ikr it’s almost like I didn’t have time to do legend lightfall to get from 7->8 and still don’t want to do that god awful campaign again

[finite birch]

no one cares about ranks

[earnest stump]

clearly mari does

[finite birch]

that was a joke

[teal knot]

if your not rank 11 your garbage at the game or you can't get 85 exotic weapons

[normal orchid]

lol me

83 exotics rn: (

[fallow pumice]

hows rank determine wether u good or trash at the game💀

[finite birch]

you’re

[marsh lodge]

Where yo stats at holup lemme find em

[teal knot]

if you cant solo a dungeon and do every raid at least once your bad at the game

[normal orchid]

where did the omni go

[normal orchid]

tbh thats fair

[marsh lodge]

Banned

[fallow pumice]

why

[normal orchid]

Wait how

[marsh lodge]

DMs

[sturdy mortar]

Lmaoo good

[normal orchid]

tf did you do

lmao

[marsh lodge]

Wasn’t even that mf

The way omni went was sadge

Bro did a no mic Petra’s run 😭

[sturdy mortar]

I didn’t do nothin

That’s why I said lmao cus it wasn’t even me who did sum to get him banned

[stiff yacht]

That’s not very nice, maybe people have no idea what that is

[marsh lodge]

hes no longer in this server

[stiff yacht]

Yoooo

[stiff yacht]

Did he get kicked? Or did he just leave

[earnest stump]

banned i think

[marsh lodge]

banned

[teal knot]

if you get banned doesnt it delete ur messages

[pearl aurora]

Thunderlord is really good for fast dps especially if you have the catalyst

[normal orchid]

lmaooo

[normal orchid]

not on riven lmaooo

[pearl aurora]

I just did it Saturday with my clan.

It worked just fine. I was worried about popping the eyes but it didn't.

[gentle cosmos]

Wave frame is best in slot

Lament is used by most LFGs and works perfectly fine

[normal orchid]

this tbh

stasis heavy waveframe is by far the best option however lament works just as well

[teal knot]

use wave frames if ur speed running

[sturdy mortar]

Sunbracers #2

[normal orchid]

not true but ight