ooooo the hold onto the pole challenge I love this one
#Survivor
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I love all the classic endurance challenges
(this is also probably my last episode of the night so y'all do not have to worry about me in discussing the episode aftermath)
DOUBLE ELIMINATION WHERE YOU ONLY MAKE THE JURY IF YOU'RE ON THE WINNING SIDE THAT FUCKING SUCKS
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ah, this is the episode that I thought was the SITD episode. Any predictions on the vote?
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too early for that, I'm still pre-challenge
commercial break before they reveal the split and actually run the challenge
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well Kaleb doesn't have Emily with him so unless he wins he's fucked
well blue has two people left so that's not good for them 
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blue?
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the blue team vs the red team
they divided into two for the hold onto a pole challenge
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ah, thought you meant original blue team
CURRENT EPISODE || Example 1,304,306 why you might as well lie when you go on a solo journey. No one is going to believe you if you tell the truth anyway||
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ok the fact that Dee had the bit about her weird toes earlier in the season and then won that challenge in part because of her weird toes
is SO FUNNY
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Yeah that was fun
I'm curious if anyone's done any systematic testing of what grips/poses work best for that pole challenge
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I do think women historically do better in that challenge iirc
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I think women tend to overperform in most endurance contests where weight/height are controlled for.
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ok yeah looking at the list of past winners in this challenge, it's all women and then the men who win tend to be leaner athelete types
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there's a school or game show or something that does a yearly challenge of sitting on a block of ice. I don't think a man has ever won.
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it's actually half and half men and women for this challenge I think! one guy has won it twice
but the men who win definitely tend to all be a similar body type
definitely a good challenge for flexibility and longer legs and lean muscle
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I wonder if there's a universal technique that's optimal for all body types
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ok all done for tonight, neither of those tribals were a surprise
NEXT EPISODE SURVIVOR AUCTION IS BACK BAYBEEEEE
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with a TWIST™️
Yeah, one of the reasons SITD is dumb is that it only delays the inevitable. If you're so certain that you're at the bottom that you're giving up your vote then you're probably right and one lucky draw isn't going to save you from the next TC.
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||What an uncharacteristic misstep from Austin.||
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watching the auction on a late lunch break, Dee spending $900 for just a milkshake is a wild choice
she's gonna have the shits so bad later
also another reason Austin is my soulmate: I would also absolutely eat the fish eye
I bet yall Katurah doesn't even care anymore that she won fish eyes because at least Bruce lost his vote 
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Bruce just strolling taking his time searching for the money just sent me.
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I enjoyed all the shots of him just walking past money canisters 
also random but I love that the art direction for this season is just birbs
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It was interesting to find out that it’s real USD and you’re free to keep it after the auction. Knowing what a hoarder I am in video games I would absolutely not bid on anything waiting for something better and then end up with nothing but the cash.
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ok my dad did tell me about jeff stabbing the bag of rice
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It was interesting to find out that it’s real USD and you’re free to keep it aft...
fair, but in this season that would mean losing your vote. $500 or $1 million?
the further you make it, the bigger payout you get for competing
it's not just the million for the winner
I think second place gets 100k
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What do you think of the auction twists? I think they did a lot to fix what they broke in the first place by making it clear there would be no advantages auctioned off but kept the game stakes by the lost vote consequence.
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not sure, I get the inclusion of stakes and I did really like the scavenger hunt for the money. But the Jeff fakeouts were kinda annoying to me, I'd be open to no stakes, just fun food auction
because ultimately I think the goal is to prevent game-ifying the auction, but that still happened as SOON as the auction was able to end at any time
I'd rather have a system that incentivizes true bidding rather than whoever has the most just buying it outright
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Oh 100% that it would be great as just a fun respite from high stress game play but Survivors just not going to do that.
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they USED to though that's the thing
players ruined it because of advantages
and I think they're underestimating the audience and players' willingness to just have a good ol fashioned auction for the fun and the food
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I like that the fish eyes were presented in a way that it wasn’t obvious that it was a booby prize and it took a minute to sink in for Kutarah what she “won”
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yeah one of the less immediate "oh gross" bad items they've had
for the record James DID eat the bat soup they kept referencing
aaaaand Bruce just fucked up their blindside plan by winning immunity
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Bruce is so oblivious he doesn’t realize how lucky he is to still be there. He really should’ve been OG Lulu instead of Sabiyah.
Besides future husband Austin are there any players that you’re rooting for?
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I like Kendra a lot, and I do like Kuturah but since her narrative is just anti-Bruce I don't think she has a very good shot
I honestly really like this cast overall, there's no one left where I'd be unhappy to see them win except maybe Bruce, but the edit makes it seem like it's definitely not him
so I'm honestly just vibing to see how this all shakes out
I'm sad Jake's about to go home, I liked him too but he definitely misplayed
WAIT IS IT KELLIE
IF I'M HER I'M SO MAD
SHE'S ONLY GOING HOME BECAUSE SHE'S ALLIED WITH BRUCE AND THEY COULDN'T GET OUT BRUCE AND SHE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO BE ALLIED WITH BRUCE
oh she's PIIIIIIISSED
bae's amulet is now an idol 👀
I'm glad Jake is still in, I have a crush on him too lmao
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The “was it you” to Austin and Austin’s smile/nod…
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Yeah it was all drew but Austin took credit in the moment.
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it's really funny that Austin's the one who didn't even WANT the amulet and now he's the last one standing with it
I'd say an idol is good compensation for his lack of sandwiches
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Never underestimate the power of sandwich vengeance.
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But seriously, there are a lot of sandwich posts on the subreddit.
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the survivor subreddit is full of grade A shitposters, I 100% believe you on that
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my husband is good at math, another checkmark for him
(the puzzle where he, Emily, and Katurah lost their vote and had to earn it back)
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okay || austin is a big dummy, classic blunder, Emily didn't deserve this, Jake is my underdog secret pick. everyone is a jerk to Bruce and I dislike the hooting and cheering ||
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|| Emily started off poorly but played so well to this point. I'm kinda tired of the dee Drew Austin show so would like them booted or we're going to have a boring final 4 and then final 3 ||
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Last nights episode gave some possible context to ||Kutarah’s fixation on voting out Bruce over taking on the real issue of the Reba alliance||
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MY HUSBAND WON IMMUNITY LET'S GO
I wonder what happened with Katurah. She says she likes the water and she looks like a totally fine swimmer in the clips they used at the end of the challenge, so I'm curious what about the challenge triggered a panic attack for her. Fear of deep ocean? They haven't really had a lot of water challenges this season I guess, only ones I can think of involved very minor time in shallow water
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yeah, I really couldn't figure out how this hadn't come up before in the 2 weeks they've been there prior to this.
keen junco
I wonder what happened with Katurah. She says she likes the water and she looks ...
#1080677581545816104 message my take and an amalgamation of takes I saw on twitter/reddit after that episode
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ahhhhh yeah definitely
in the moment her reaction seemed positive but yeah sitting on it I can see how that would fuck you up
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you're almost caught up, right?
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Everyone Hates Bruce, next summer on CBS!
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KATURAH'S REVENGE
HOW DO YOU NOT PLAY YOUR IDOL THERE, YOU KNOW MAN
he was a very entertaining dumbass at least
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Emily talked him out of it. Big move on her part
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but probably bad move ultimately since you'd think the non-Rebas would be worried more about that alliance. No Rebas voted off since the merge and everyone else is just enjoying that the pot is getting nice and toasty.
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the non-Rebas are so dysfunctional and hate each other so much that they can't get their shit together and now it's too late
and they participated in so many unanimous votes against their own people
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It's really just Katurah hating Bruce and Bruce being unable or unwilling to work with literally anyone.
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like it's literally that Bruce was so annoying to work with that the entire half of the tribe crumbled
also Drew and Austin made such good relationships with Dee, Julie, and Emily, that the women's alliance was dead before it even got off the ground
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Emily immediately flipping on the "women's alliance" was fun
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Emily was like "great in theory except I don't have a relationship with any of y'all"
I do have to say though, this is one of the more enjoyable examples of one alliance steamrolling everyone else that I've seen
probably because up til now they technically weren't the majority, they just figured out how to get almost everyone on board with what they already wanted
it's REALLY GOOD manipulation
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I like the Reba alliance except for Julie. She bugs me for some reason. I think it was the out of control paranoia earlier.
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I wouldn't say paranoid is the word, it's more she's struggling with the emotional toll of backstabbing
I've been waiting for the paranoia you mentioned and I don't think that's the word I'd use to describe her
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They got lucky with Emily, who was just so joyful not to be on the bottom and to be with people who she actually got along with.
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are you referring to her being so pissed about Jake's vote for her?
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I've been waiting for the paranoia you mentioned and I don't think that's the wo...
I'm thinking of when she insists that Austin give her one of his idols when they get split into three teams because gasp! there might be a triple vote tribal!
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That's not that paranoid to me
they knew something was coming but they didn't know what, they were covering their bases
to me Julie's defining gameplay trait is struggling to divorce the emotion from the game, as evidenced both by her emotional struggles in the episode I just finished and her lasting anger at Jake's vote for her at the Kaleb tribal
I don't think she is unusually paranoid
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eh, I guess we just have different reads
I definitely like her least among the remaining Rebas
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I also don't think one "what the fuck is this" moment is enough to label a person as overall paranoid
the emotion thing there's multiple examples of, I don't think there's multiple examples of her being paranoid
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I just remember her constantly checking in and following her alliance mates around
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I don't think more so than anyone else
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I think Austin has a confessional where he mentions it, separate from giving her his idol
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they also explicity mention using her mom role to make people feel comfortable, so she's included in stuff for that reason
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but again, we can have different takes
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yep
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I'm definitely rooting for Emily, Katurah and even Jake over Julie at this point in the season.
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yeah I think I enjoy those three more than Julie as well
but I think Katurah and Jake for sure are SOL
Jake has been holding on for dear life since the Kaleb vote, and he's screwed up every opportunity to make actual inroads with people since then
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are you watching yesterday's episode?
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oh, you're so close!
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it's past mine too but here I am
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watching the current episode
and watching ||my husband fall in love with someone else|| 
holy shit Katurah's story
keen junco
hell ya
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holy shit Katurah's story
Yeah, it gives a possible context for her panic attack on the water challenge and her relationship with Bruce.
What did you think of Austin’s play this last episode?
It’s crazy to me that, once again, everyone voted for one name without throwing a safety vote or two at someone else.
They learned nothing from Kaleb.
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I caught up tonight. Wow what a ride some of these episodes
keen junco
https://puzzlenautbycarson.com lmao carson is selling his 3D printed versions of a couple of the puzzles
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How can Dee possibly think anyone would doubt that she spilled the beans to Jule?...and they believe her.
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😂
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watching the Amazing Race and there's one challenge that I think is fully impossible for 3 of the remaining players to do. The producers did not think this through.
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ahahahaha the editing on this Jake confessional
ahahahahaha 😅 ........ SO 🤨
yeah I also really enjoyed the Office-style pan from Jake going "it's not so bad, we're on survivor!" to absolutely MISERABLE Drew and "I want you to know that I spend an hour a day scraping burnt rice off of the pot"
I'm wondering if Jake actually has a shot at this now. I feel like he's pretty apt about his potential to be, as he says, a wolf in goat's clothing
especially with Reba ready to cannibalize each other
nope on the immunity challenge now
I was gonna watch live and then I accidentally fell asleep on the couch
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I had one guess on who would win immunity and ||I was right||
btw have you had your fill of endurance challenges this season, kran? Or are you thirsty for more?
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always want more
gimme the holding their hand above their head with the bucket of water
gimme the ones that go REALLY long
Dee and Austin smack talk teasing each other mid challenge is really cute
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its a cute showmance
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yeah they're really sweet
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oh, I'll repost this one for you in Katurah's voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLNS8iAN2jY&ab_channel=ZigZarp&t=2m45s
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I've been third wheeling it a lot lately. First with merolis and soap at Disneyland, and now with another friend and his new girlfriend at...Disneyland.
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I feel like I take a third wheeling approach where I try to make whichever friend it is's partner feel like THEY'RE the third wheel
don't accept defeat, assert dominance
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and end friendships
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nah, my best friend's boyfriend is third wheeling US
(this also may work better with female friendships )
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so make friends with my friend's girlfriend and cut him out of the picture?
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you know what, sure
pre-tribal ||oooo I knew it was gonna come down to this, I almost wrote in chat earlier that Dee was gonna pull one over on Austin, and I think I'm right, I think Drew is gone||
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did you get to the vote?
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they're voting right now
||Austin playing it safe with the amulet even though he doesn't need to, not a surprise||
||I WAS RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT||
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Today we learned/confirmed that ||Austin clearly loves Dee more than Dee loves Austin||
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listen she is a strong indepentent woman and she don't need no man deciding her game for her
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Also, ||Austin is the worst player to have 2 idols in the final 7. His game really fell apart the last couple of episodes||
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yeah definitely. ||He is quite literally loyal to a fault||
||he'd make a GREAT golden retriever boyfriend though||
also it's definitely either ||Dee, Julie, or Jake|| winning, right? Though I think ||Julie|| has the hardest path actually making it to the end
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yeah definitely. ||He is quite literally loyal to a fault||
And ||he was doing sooo well up to now. Solved every individual puzzle, got two idols, recognized traps (sandwiches a clear winner over trap "advantage"), held a strong alliance together that steamrolled everyone else with minimal effort, etc.||
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yeah 100%. ||He's a relationship builder, which worked great until it didn't. In some seasons the relationship builder is a winning game, and this time it's just not. Telling Dee about the Julie blindside destroyed his game. Frankly Austin should have never agreed to the Julie blindside||
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also it's definitely either ||Dee, Julie, or Jake|| winning, right? Though I thi...
||I think Julie's next out. Only thing that got her on the right side of the vote was her alliance's anger at Drew. Katurah and Jake aren't teaming with her next tribal.||
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||though she might not be next out if Dee protects her. I'm predicting Julie scrapes her way to four and then loses the firemaking tiebraker||
||yeah literally in two episodes he went from the power position to now I think drawing dead at final three||
||I think Jake has a shot as an underdog winner, he has the tools and positioning to get there if he plays his cards right at the end, and I think he has a narrative he can push, especially with his entire old tribe on the jury||
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||though she might not be next out if Dee protects her. I'm predicting Julie scr...
||If Dee continues to keep emotion out of it, she'll recognize that Julie has the next best resume right now with her attention getting idol play and now blindside of Drew. She has to betray her next.||
||Jake || is guaranteed final four right? Because of the found idol?
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||Dee of course has also played a GREAT game, and the "I was working with Julie the whole time" is a GREAT final tribal revelation||
yes
though maybe not if they try to use it strategically as a power move instead of as self preservation
hybrid plover
Showmances are the worst and it makes me hate Dee who normally I'd be rooting for. this season is filled with non players getting trampled by a major alliance and couple
I think the 3 tribe start with a tribe getting savaged by early votes makes for a boring one sided ending, compounded by people just watching on the sidelines as they get picked off one by one
Austin thinking he's gonna be Rob M and Amber, he's such a frustrating player because on his own he and Dee would be way more compelling
#teamJake
keen junco
I'm curious why it makes you hate Dee? She's playing Austin like a fiddle. She's dominated the post merge game and nobody has really targeted her
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I’ve been enjoying this season a lot, and for me showmances absolutely depend on the showmance. Dee and Austin seem really genuine to me and the dynamic of her playing him strategically is really fun
charred warren
I think this season definitely had a weaker post-merge, especially compared to 44’s really fun post-merge, but the cast has alleviated the relatively boring boot order for me
hybrid plover
I'm curious why it makes you hate Dee? She's playing Austin like a fiddle. She's...
Her group has been kind of mean spirited, the Drew/Dee laughing at Jake over the rice was the start of my dislike for them. True she's got Austin wrapped around her finger but in the absence of people who are actually playing it's not as fun, I will give her a lot of credit for keeping Austin in the dark on tonight vote tho. The blindsides have been decent but unless Jake or Katurah make a move in the next episode it's going to be pretty by the book
Honestly Austin is such a non player that had he won immunity I 100% think he'd have given away his idol to Dee over a crush, even if they're cute together it's just not good gameplay
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I've definitely enjoyed the premerge part of this season over post-merge, but that's mostly driven by my love of complete trainwrecks. OG Lulu sustained me this season.
keen junco
I love the use of their audition tapes in this
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MY FIRST LIVE SURVIVOR WEDNESDAY OF THE SEASON
hybrid plover
oh right thats tonight...do i watch live...i feel like i should
keen junco
I was a dingus and picked up a closing shift
but I muted like 40 words on twitter so I think I should be safe
I get to watch tomorrow morning
keen junco
I muted all that, but it's still showing me trending topics with people's names in them
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lets goooo
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||Austin is leaning way too hard into this showmance. Oh, and Katurah finally noticed that there was an alliance that controlled almost every vote of the merged tribe||
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|| Wow that was cool , how he remembered those numbers||
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||LET'S GO JAKE||
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Honestly, it sounded like more work than just remembering three numbers. But I guess that's what starving does to your brain.
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||I wish they showed how far away the stations were||
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||It's also funny how Austin and Dee were checking each others work but still got one of the numbers wrong||
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yeah looks like it was definitely a physical/mental drain combo
oooo this puzzle
this has got to be one of the hardest ones they do, it looks so insane
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omg this reward
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steak sounds like a GREAT way to get absolutely bricked up with two days left in the game
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oh damn
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was thinking it would be hilarious if the advantage ended up being nothing spectacular and here we are.
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WAIT I'M NOT JUST IMAGINING THAT I FORGOT ABOUT FUCKING SEASON 32 WITH JOE GETTING LATE GAME EVACUATED DUE TO DIGESTIVE ISSUES AFTER A MEAT REWARD FEAST
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omg really?
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YES in Kaoh Rong
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NO
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it was like final 6 or 7, absolutely wild
also the THIRD medevac of that season
omg Jake nooooooo D:
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which season was it where a guy had an impacted bowel or something and was lying down in the middle of camp and one of his alliance members was yelling that he couldn't use him in his condition?
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that sounds like Bruce Kanegai in Panama I think? season 12
or at least Bruce was also evacuated due to a digestive issue
if it's a newer season then I don't remember
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i think it's Bruce that I'm thinking of.
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JAKE LKSJDLFKAJ;DLFKJASJFLD
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i think it's Bruce that I'm thinking of.
with Shane Powers full nakey helping the doctors carry him out on a stretcher in the middle of the night?
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Why are you rubbing in like that Jeff?
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Jeff
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if I was Jake I'd cry after Jeff did that
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with Shane Powers full nakey helping the doctors carry him out on a stretcher in...
Maybe. I mostly remember the night vision shot of Bruce lying in camp howling in terrible pain and his "friend" being a total psychopath.
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yeah I'll bet good money that friend was Shane
"total psychopath" is an apt description of Shane powers
Shane "I'll kill you in your shitty apartment" "pretending this rock is my Blackberry" "I quit smoking cold turkey when I came out on Survivor" Powers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l4zPErY69k
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||Katurah follows up her realization of the Reba alliance by...asking Julie to vote out her number one. God dammit||
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cringe
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I think it's very clear that people can see that there's an alliance but are not wise to precisely how close Dee and Julie are
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JAKE WTF
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Like I still don't think people know that Dee was the one who tipped Julie off to play her idol
BRUH NO YOU KEEP THAT SHIT LOCKED UP
actually I guess it doesn't matter at this point, this tribal is the last time he can play it
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But Austin knows who he and Dee can't vote for
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true, but he could have had everyone vote for him and his one vote sets it up
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yeah true
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ok what is Jake even doing now? He's told everyone but Julie that he has an idol now.
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he's dumb lol
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yeah he's screwing this up majorly
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ohhhh
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||Dee doesn't give up anything for Austin||
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we're gonna have three different names written down with five people left, this is chaos
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I love this
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I think Julie would also be a very good call
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I can see the argument for targeting Katurah at this point too - I don't think she can win, but that means she's taking a spot from someone who has a harder path to the end
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Paranoid Julie is back. "Jake told Austin he has an idol but he's probably lying. I'mma vote Jake."
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Julie or Dee for sure need to go
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Can Austin give his immunity necklace to Dee?
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Damn Jeff
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and historically it's considered a very dumb move to give up immunity
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Wow, just coming back for seconds on Jake. Jeff is vicious.
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lol
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so Julie says she's voting Jake, Katura says she's voting Dee, Dee says she's voting Katurah, Austin is waffling between Katurah and Julie, and Jake SAYS he's voting Dee but I'm not sure I believe him
so we're looking at a possible 2-2-1
which, at 5, is truly insane
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Jake's voting for whoever that last person he spoke to suggested he vote for.
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Jake told Katurah he'd vote Dee over Julie but I was not convinced by his tone
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ok so he did vote Dee nvm lol
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who's Tony?
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Tony Vlachos, one of the all time greats
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The cop
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FUCKING WILD
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LOL poor Nana
charred warren
Damn
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"go to law school" Katurah is going to have suuuuuch a fun reveal if she makes FTC
again, Jake had a big move, thought he'd be in the majority, only for it to fall apart at the last second
Charlie Brown
charred warren
I’m praying we get an Austin v Dee firemaking
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OMG I'd love that
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survivor gods pls
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I keep getting adverts for Ireland... That's my sign to plan a holiday
Jake.... Shut up
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Jake, you need to take personal accountability for the fact that I could not be trusted to follow through on the plan that I came up with.
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this cast is my favorite type of hot mess
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wait... it's not that ball thing?
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they do simmotion a lot, but it's not always simmotion, no
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I think Austin wins this
He's been a challenge beast all season but never once got targeted as a threat
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yeah he's super agile, this seems up his alley
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Dee has been solid as well
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Dee has excelled more at endurance
but this could just be a matter of someone makes one misstep and then slow and steady ends up winning the race
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Dee only wins the challenges where her toes come into play
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I still can't believe the weird convo about Dee's toes ended up actually becoming important to the course of the show
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I think I missed that
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they were chatting at camp premerge and Dee was like "I have weirdly long big toes" and she does, and then it ended up helping her win one of the individual immunity endurance challenges
bc she could grip the tiny ledge better
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ohhh
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oh the theme music playing mid challenge is sick
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NOOOOOO
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Charlie Brown
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Charlie Brown 
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HE BROKE IT?????
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yeah
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I'm seeing that Jake has a liiiiiiittle bit of a temper problem
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||Jake and Katurah to firemaking right?||
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ok that was impressive
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Nice job Katurah
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||Jake and Katurah to firemaking right?||
I think so, ||I think taking Austin with her is strongest for her narrative||
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Jeff is sending Jake a bill for that course
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and how he's about to lose firemaking
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Jeff is going to bring it up repeatedly at firemaking/final tribal
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Jake's No Good Very Bad Day
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"You broke our challenge. What does that say about your temperment and inability to keep your cool? Btw that broken prop screwed our budget so no reward challenges next season"
||I know I have difficult decision here. Sure, Dee.||
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ugh I wanna give him a hug
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||Is production making them have these conversations? How is it not a foregone conclusion who she's taking? Why give Jake and Katurah false hope?||
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||is really giving them hope if she was honest with them about not taking them?||
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Jake's No Good Very Bad Day
charred warren
I feel so bad for jake
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Is Dee good at fire? That would be wild
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she doesn't seem to be considering giving up immunity
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Uno reverse and she sends herself and Austin to firemaking
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||Is Katurah's kindling wet or something?||
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I can't tell if I'm rooting for Jake to succeed or if I'm rooting for him to Charlie Brown
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||She keeps blowing too hard||
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||You're going to be a great lawyer if that's what you decide to do||
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||"yeah, I know" 😏 ||
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LOL
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unrelated but having Kellie and Kendra next to each other in the jury has been great for facial reactions
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I honestly didn't recognize Emily at first
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I'm honestly surprised at DREW cleaning up so well
also I swear to god they strategically set the lighting to make the jury look extra glowy for that extra little bit of "hahahaha look how beautiful and clean we are"
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anyone else just get a Mickey Mouse diaper commercial?
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yep
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It'd be so funny if Austin tripped and dropped the food
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damn Paramount Plus is giving me different shit than y'all
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I'm also on Paramount
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this is still cringe but not as cringe as the survivors walking past a bunch of monuments to the voted off.
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wow, did Austin really never get his name written down?
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yeah. I mentioned earlier that Austin was never targeted. I think Julie suggested him at one point but it never came to anything.
Dee just filibustered that question to perfection
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very good answer, just fully rejected the premise of the question
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I thought for sure that's where she would say that she didn't warn Austin about the Drew blindside
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Julie why come on
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How many of the jurors are learning about Dee/Austin right now
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zero
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I want to push back on that
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Austin: Dee never told Julie
Dee: 😏
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Jake truthers rise
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I could see it going either way
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I think ||Dee absolutely locked it in with that final answer||
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I think ||Dee actually fumbled most of the early questions ||
||But it’ll probably be Dee, just not a shutout||
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I assume most of the jurors minds are made up before final tribal and most of this is padding/for show. Even the ones who say their vote is up for grabs.
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||I've stopped trying to call if it's a shutout or not, but I don't think it'll be especially close||
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|| I'm going Dark horse and saying Jake ||
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I assume most of the jurors minds are made up before final tribal and most of th...
it depends on the season I think
In 43 I’m pretty sure it was decided solely on the final tribal
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I also just got that ad
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|| I'm going Dark horse and saying Jake ||
You have the vision
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Disney got that spending cash
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I'm surprised to see any network-owned streaming service advertising a show on a different network-owned streaming service
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WTF I got a Chia Pet ad
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has a final tribal candidate ever tried just bribing some jurors? "I'll give 50k to anyone who votes for me"
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Jake is a third wheel legend to the end
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oof
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just read the fucking votes Jeff
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what happens in a tie? Jake votes?
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what happens in a tie? Jake votes?
Yeah
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it's only happened once
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I still think Jake can pull out a win
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Dee getting a good edit is nice to see though
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Dee's big toes are going to disqualify her from winning (it's a seldom used rule). Jake wins the revote.
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guys it's so simple all Jake has to do is invent time travel
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I still think Jake can pull out a win
Good luck. We're all counting on you.
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Jake gets a rock
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I fucking love Kendra
oh I don't even care about her as a Survivor player, I just love her as a person on my screen
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Come on CBS get better pizza for these fools
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Survivor pizza famously terrible
I'd like to note that this is the second time that a showmance got first and second
and both times, the woman won the money
ohhhhh gotcha fair
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I know people hate the reunions on the island but I kinda love the chaos
flint idolBOT
Great job making magic @charred warren! 
Mickey is promoting you to level 37 ! 
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I hated it with the audience 😂
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it's mixed, the chaos and authenticity is fun but in a lot of past seasons I've felt REALLY bad for the second and third place players because they really don't have time to process
yeah she full panicked
she knows it too
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it's mixed, the chaos and authenticity is fun but in a lot of past seasons I've ...
Yeah, with this season they weren’t too upset which makes it feel more fun I guess, I do also miss seeing all the prejurors
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yeah it feels fun this season because Jake KNEW he wasn't winning and Austin seems to be taking it all in stride
I'm sure there's solace in the fact that it was really close
AND in that he got the girl
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AND in that he got the girl
have they publicly announced if they're together?
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probably weren't allowed to say anything
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Dee didn’t really betray Austin outside of like one time lol
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twice
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Oh yeah lol
But still Austin played a stronger game early merge I think
The split makes sense
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early yes, but I think the late game gameplay matters more personally
the split makes sense more with who the Austin votes come from too
like Drew voting Austin isn't a surprise, and Kendra had more of a relationship with Austin than with Dee I think
and Bruce gonna do Bruce
both she and Jake fumbled the bag in the end
though the chaos of that vote was really on everyone
2-1-1-1 at final 5 is fucking insane
speaks to people's absolute inability to trust each other and work together at that point in the game
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I don’t think katurah was that bad lol
She fumbled one vote and didn’t flip on Reba but neither did anyone outside of jake attempting to
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yeah she was pretty solidly playing the middle
it was one REALLY bad play but I don't think it's representative of her entire time as a player
and again she is so not the only person who absolutely fumbled the bag at the final 5 tribal
I don't think that's necessarily the wrong call though, she clearly did not feel good with original Belo
like she and Bruce fucking hated each other
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I missed the auction so much
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yeah he had this look on his face when she was revealing the Julie lie and I was like "he knows, he knows she just beat him"
and it was a look of so much respect
like, "well, damn"
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ok I already hate one of the contestants from next season
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The laughing guy?
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yeah
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so quick to judge
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yeah
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Yeah I want fun people
Yeah I love them
Stay Positive, Test Negative 😂
Do we know if they are keeping the longer episodes?
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looks like yes!
premiere February 28
I love the 90 minute episode length, it's so refreshing even just to have little stuff back like the intro
oooo interesting looks like it'll be two hours the first two weeks and then 90 minutes for the rest of the season
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I love the 90 minute episode length, it's so refreshing even just to have little...
Ratings are up so it’s probably staying which is awesome
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Good. I love the longer episodes. That was always my fav part of Aus Survivor
charred warren
I want a new era returnee season so bad now
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yeah I wanna see so many people back from this season
Kaleb, Jake, and Emily first and foremost I think
I'd love to see what they could do on a second play
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this season was filled with non-players
Dee deserves the win for actually playing but man everyone else seemed to think they were on a different show. Poor Jake, I don't understand the hate/dislike he got but he really fumbled this episode
Katurah throwing away her own game to just hand it to Dee was hard to watch and her "take some personal responsibility" line is ridiculous
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they knew going into 45 that they had 90min episodes. knowing that going in allows them to go a little bigger with things since they have more time to show it all
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okay I just finished the after show
I did a little happy dance when Jeff asked Dee to call the wrap
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fun fact, this is the first time the final three have all been the same age
all were 26 at the time of filming (I'm old, help)
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yeah, I yelled out loud at Katurha who went from my #2 to last after she screwed over jake AND herself with that vote. then goes "oh boy i shouldn't have let a couple get this far"
keen junco
all were 26 at the time of filming (I'm old, help)
and (according to a tweet) all born within 41 days of each other
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Woah
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TIL the BBC brought back Survivor UK 👀
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lol playing lil Nas x 😂
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Are any of the international versions of Survivor available without sailing the high seas?
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I think Paramount Plus has some Australian Survivor? Or at least they did for a minute if they don’t currently
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Paramount+ had it for a bit, then it was removed
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I love that both Parvati and Erika, both came out as queer within 24 hours of each other
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S7 is on netflix so I'm watching it. just over 1 episode in and I like it more than current Survivor. More time spent on actually trying to make camp life livable and not a bunch of superfans doing nothing but strategizing. They actually voted off the player who tried to build alliances to target someone.
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oooooh Pearl Islands???? that's a GREAT one
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oooooh Pearl Islands???? that's a GREAT one
It’s pirate themed. Is that Pearl Islands? I’m at the part where ||they bring back everyone who was voted off and I’m like wtf? That’s a worse twist than the hourglass. I can’t blame anyone for being royally pissed at that. Production must’ve loved it when the outcasts won that challenge||
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Yeah that’s pearl islands!
Yeah that was a bad twist
Otherwise a great season though
Some all time great characters in that season
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||Jon is Jonny Fairplay right? He and Richard Hatch were the only two contestants I’d heard of before watching the show and I was 5-6 episodes in before I realized it was him||
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I can see that. Gentle giant who’s fiercely loyal and easily the most competent hunter/survivor of this mostly useless bunch.
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He’s also kind of a cartoon character of a person, with the crazy beard and the tie-dye and his ride or die tribe loyalty. Makes him fun to root for
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Is this the season where ||Fairplay fakes his grandmas death to garner sympathy?||
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…maybe
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Yeah, the skirt sewing made my heart swell.
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I was sold on the Drake tribe as a whole from episode 1 purely off of Rupert stealing the Morgan tribe’s shoes and Sandra just going to WORK haggling in Spanish
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And I’m glad he was able to ||vote off the jerks who kept making fun of him for it||
Didn’t like the stealing but I was rooting for that tribe just for the basic competence and organization. Don’t like Sandra but I liked how she was able to haggle deals while the other tribe yelled loudly and tried to walk off with shit.
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For Sandra you kinda just gotta embrace the sass
Don’t fight the sass, let it flow through you
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I also hated how ||Drake threw that challenge for basically no reason, which started their slide downhill. And then the guy who instigated it gets to come back after being rightfully voted off?!||
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Yeah for a while they were like the number one cautionary tale for why you shouldn’t throw challenges
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I just don’t like loud shouty people who go from 1 to 100 the moment they feel attacked. Just exhausting personalities to deal with.
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yeah that's fair, and she definitely does that
frankly it works as an anti-Jonny Fairplay diffusion strategy though
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My only knock on Rupert so far ||is when he got super shouty asking who voted for him. Jon deserved it but still…||
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oh yeah watching that back as an adult I was like 
rupert is very fun, he also absolutely rules with his emotions and loyalty and isn't necessarily the most level-headed or strategic player
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I dread coming to the episode with ||his inevitable blindside||
Does this season have immunity idols?
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no
individual immunity idols were first introduced in season 11
with the current iteration of the hidden immunity idol first appearing in season 14
fun fact about the outcasts twist, allegedly ||the reason Lillian was voted back into the game is because she was so miserable to be around that the rest of the outcasts didn't want her to come on the pre-jury trip ||
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rupert is very fun, he also absolutely rules with his emotions and loyalty and i...
I appreciate that we get to see survivors talking about things other than alliances and strategy.
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for sure. I think it's part of the reason people are so happy about the new longer episodes, there's a little more time for that type of content again
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fun fact about the outcasts twist, allegedly ||the reason Lillian was voted back...
||That tracks. I kept waiting for a confessional from that guy she made friends with where he reveals he can’t stand her either but was trying to build an alliance or something. ||
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yeah she is the most real life version of the SNL debbie downer character I have ever seen
she was also kind of uniquely screwed by the surprise marooning, I don't think she would have ever chosen to play in her scoutmaster uniform
and it kind of forced her to carry that image of herself and dictated how she'd be perceived by other people
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Yeah, she got screwed and so did the guy who took off his shirt for what ever reason and was getting hypothermia every night.
But after season 1 aired I’d be super sus if I were told “oh yeah pack a bunch of luggage for your trip to survivor beach.”
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she was also kind of uniquely screwed by the surprise marooning, I don't think s...
I definitely would’ve at least taken off the neckerchief and ribbons and shit. At least maybe then it just looks like a green/beige top and not a uniform.
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It’s also pretty easy to tell when it’s ACTUALLY game time in modern survivor because production kinda tells you what you’re wearing
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I also wish quitters would just quit instead of moping around asking to be voted off. ||Osten whinges for half the season before he finally gets voted off in a voice vote. Does Jeff/fandom consider that a quit or a technical vote off?||
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Osten is considered a quit
Frankly he got treated way worse that he deserved, he had a pretty severe staph infection which is part of why he was struggling so badly
I think Osten is actually the first survivor quitter
Which is why jeff was so pissed
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Ah, I thought it was his bad luck with wardrobe. They don’t mention the staph infection on the show though, right?
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Correct, they don’t
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They just let the audience think he’s a whiny quitter with no mental fortitude. Nice.
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Yyyyyep
I do think there is still a degree where that’s true, staph has happened plenty of times on the show and is probably the most common cause of medevacs. But there’s a degree where it’s hard to fault someone for putting their health first and taking themselves out of an unhealthy situation, just unfortunate for Osten that said unhealthy situation was the most popular reality show of the time and was EXTREMELY public
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The show should’ve definitely shown his health struggle/crisis. I’m sure he was getting looked at by med staff but the show consciously chose not to disclose that to the audience.
I thought he was kind of an ass until you just told me he had staph.
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Oh what was the pre-jury trip that they went on?
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Need to read back on this. This was the season I recall the most.
And it’s a personal favorite
@trim sentinel did you know any of the things people do on this season? There’s some infamous things.
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<@328002210485239808> did you know any of the things people do on this season? T...
I’m about halfway through the season. I know nothing about this season unless this is the one where ||Jonny Fairplay lies about his grandma dying||. I do know that Sandra comes back in at least one other season, I think as a villain?
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I’m about halfway through the season. I know nothing about this season unless th...
Yeah that’s the main big thing ||the grandma lie||
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Oh what was the pre-jury trip that they went on?
pre-jury trips are a standard thing! the pre-jury goes to the jury house (often called Ponderosa) as they get voted out, and they have to clear out when it's jury time BUT they can't go home early because that would spoil the boot order so production takes them on a trip
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Do they just go to a resort for a couple of weeks or is it 10 cities in 10 days and they’re all stuck together?
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Oh, I'm glad the gross food eating challenges are not used much anymore. Just seems sadistic and it's really hard for me to watch.
Oh, some nice misogyny from ||Ryan||
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Oh wow, ||Lill|| having a good cry over not giving up her reward is...something.
Lill gets drunk off of 3/4 of a beer.
Jon's a class act /s
RIP ||Rupert|| Figured it was coming soon but not this soon.
Of course ||Jon|| doesn't have any close family to visit.
Did ||Jeff know at the time that Jon was lying here||?
His friend's kind of a douchebag too.
Oh man I would crush this word scramble challenge
Love how everyone's a bad speller or can't follow the rules
Wow, what a production fuckup
||They better not even consider taking Jon seriously here. Just pretend to his face and then vote Burton, or better yet, Jon||
||I love that Rupert's cleaned up look is basically the same as his survivor look||
Love how ||two of the four remaining women know Jon is a snake but can't help but agreeing to an alliance with him.||
Kind of sucks how ||Jon keeps getting to go on the rewards||
||Lill being impressed that Jon knows what bruschetta is just sent me||
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2 minute product placement ad for a car. and ||Jon gets yet another reward||
the struggle to get ||Lill || to act in their own self interest. 
oh, back to the car commercial
||Darrah's tiny wrists giving her an insurmountable advantage is 
||
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Is ||Lill|| having a nervous breakdown?
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Do they just go to a resort for a couple of weeks or is it 10 cities in 10 days ...
honestly not sure which lol, I think they do get to do some sightseeing though
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Is ||Lill|| having a nervous breakdown?
probably
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oh god the walk through of fallen soldiers. so cringe.
oh and ||Jon || is immediately disgusting
oh and now the edit is being gross too. Did they really have to use the shot of ||Darrah|| showering?
I'm enjoying this final immunity challenge
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oh god the walk through of fallen soldiers. so cringe.
lmao my family always used to fastforward through rites of passage, so awkward and boring
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I usually mute it but remote was out of reach. Jon's comment about Nicole's hot bod made me wish I had muted it.
Wow, Jon is never not a piece of shit after the first couple of episodes.
I just have to hope his schtick is an act and he was angling for a reality show career or something.
It's honestly tough to listen to the tribal speeches too.
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||I see what you mean about Lill's wardrobe screwing her. All the jury questions keep focusing on her representation of the scouts and their code of conduct||
||Oh, Lill is yelling at the jurors now. She's self-destructing||
||Oh Jesus she wore her scout uniform to the vote count. I guess she has a sense of humor about it.||
||So Sandra won 6-1 right?||
OMG Rupert wears the tie dye to the reunion.
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Oh wow even Osten doesn't mention that he had a staph infection at the reunion. Just said being outdoors wasn't for him or whatever.
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Ok, watching the GenX vs Millenial season now. Hannah is having a panic attack in the voting booth over who to vote for and is taking forever to actually vote. @analog edge Do they ever mention anywhere how long she was in the booth?
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Honestly I’m not sure haha
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well I just stupidly tried to google it and got spoiled.
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Oh noooooo
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I accidentally saw that ||Hannah gets to the end but gets zero votes. I can only assume she's the quintessential goat||
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Finished millennials vs gen x. Kind of surprised ||Ken || got no votes.
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iirc ||Ken|| didn't actually do a very good job building relationships and he was very kinda holier-than-thou, so there wasn't a lot of goodwill towards him. He looked better in the edit than he did on the island supposedly
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||So Adam || got to go to FTC with ||two goats||?
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supposedly!
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Just started season 17. Holy cow the tribe pick is ridiculous. Picking middle aged moms over young athletic people.
and again, men get to wear pants and long sleeve shirts and jackets that offer protection and options while half the women are in little more than their underwear.
so far the professor guy and the one who was picked last are the only people I could see myself rooting for.
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Oh god welcome to Survivor: Gabon, you’re gonna hate everyone
It’s like if Curb Your Enthusiasm was a season of Survivor
Everyone is an asshole and it’s absolute chaos
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The team with the old lady did about as well as I expected in the first immunity challenge.
I'd be interested in a behind the scenes making of of this season. Gabon was in a transition period from a ~40 year dictator to his son when this was shot.
Curious how much fixing they had to do to shoot there.
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I don’t recall hearing anything about having a hard time filming
They’re super remote so as long as the government agreed to it they’re good
Reports from Gabon indicate the show was filmed around the coastal towns of Nyonie and Ekwata in the Wonga-Wongue Presidential Reserve. Production struggled in transportation because of animals constantly obstructing them.
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holy shit they voted off ||one of their only athletes and kept the old lady. Michelle must have been insufferable at camp. Not a good sign when one of the only peeps I'm rooting for is voted out first||
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I don’t recall hearing anything about having a hard time filming
It's probably not something that would be discussed publicly. Who gets paid what to allow production where isn't usually for public consumption.
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it filmed in June 2008
Ok, that's a year before the dictator died.
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there was one season, I think season 14 in Fiji, where political unrest in the area was why that season didn't include a family visit. So it's something that has come up before, but usually if it's bad they just straight up won't try to film there
like there are several countries they have never tried to go to because it wouldn't be politically safe
though they have done China
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eh, China is the opposite of politically unstable. I think what's more important to production is if it's practical to shoot there and if it's not potentially embarassing to CBS to do business there. Survivor Lebanon probably wouldn't fly.
meant to say earlier, kind of a dick move of Jeff to steer the tribe into making GC their "leader".
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eh, China is the opposite of politically unstable. I think what's more importan...
China is politically stable but isn't someone the US has a great relationship with, which I feel like has the potential to also be a factor
agree Survivor anywhere in the middle east is pretty much out
after season 2 in the Australian Outback and season 3 in Kenya, season 4 was originally planned to be filmed in Jordan
then 9/11 happened
they ended up securing a filming location in French Polynesia instead and leaning into this "going back to the beach" idea
which actually really ended up solidifying Survivor into using primarily tropical locales
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||GC is considered a quit, right?|| Also, starting to like Sugar. I hope she betrays Ace at some point.
Also what’s the strategy behind constantly sending the same person to exile island?
Is there a strategy or is it just human nature to go with the familiar?
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||GC is considered a quit, right?|| Also, starting to like Sugar. I hope she bet...
looks like it is considered a vote out. Asking to be voted out isn't always a quit, it depends on if the vote is actually held or not
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Also what’s the strategy behind constantly sending the same person to exile isla...
you piss off less people. Or, alternatively, you give fewer people an opportunity to go idol-hunting at exile by isolating it to one person.
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I think I'm on Team ||Sugar|| now. She's crying over feeling guilty about eating well because she's constantly sent to Exile Island
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yeah Sugar is super easy to root for. She's so unpopular with the rest of the cast though and it makes me feel like there's a lot we didn't get to see
but also the rest of the cast is a hot mess, so what do they know
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I thought they just don’t like that she has the idol and a close alliance with Ace. Plus she’s useless in challenges.
I thought I’d be rooting for crystal but she’s a paranoid nutcase.
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Randy is a piece of shit. Will google him after the season to see if he ever had women complain about him.
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he is a piece of shit who knows he's a piece of shit and doesn't care
I'm not aware of any controversy/allegations around him, I think he's just a mean personality
like just straight up a cranky guy
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Ha. Just watched ||Sugar|| betray ||Ace ||. She did it for the wrong reasons but she still did it.
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it's Sugar's world, the rest of the cast is just living in it
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Ok Randy and the fake idol is one of my favorite things ever in Survivor.
point and laugh, everyone. Point and laugh
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Finished the season. Who knew that ||Bob || of all people would do so well at the challenges? I was rooting for them from the beginning but ||given their age and|| when they disappeared from the edit for the first half of the season I figured they wouldn't make it far.
Also, fuck Corrine for ||mocking Sugar's dead father at FTC. Totally off sides. I get that Sugar was getting a hero edit (I get the sense that Sugar's a high maintenance, high strung emotional vampire)|| but it's still uncalled for to bring real life trauma into it.
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Corinne is, then and now, knowingly and unapologetically a bitch. She has a mentality of absolutely nothing is below the belt. Like if you called her mean to her face she wouldn't care
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That's just sad. How do you get through life like that?
And it goes beyond meanness. It's cruelty for its own sake. I'm sure ||Sugar || did things to make people not like her ||hence the zero FTC votes|| but Corrine was the only one to take it there.
What's your opinion of this season? It seemed like nobody except the video game guy tried to make strategic decisions or moves at all and then he decided to just be a villain towards the end for no reason.
He also kept prioritized picking hot girls for his tribe over people who would do better in challenges.
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it's lower on my list, it kinda just feels like a clusterfuck to me
lot of mean people, lot of hot messes, not a lot of breakout stars who innovated or were particularly fun to watch
also every time there has been a schoolyard pick for tribes it has resulted in a DRAMATICALLY uneven premerge which I think is less fun in the long haul
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I like a lot of the non-strategic play, like Sugar voting out the bullies instead of the people who would beat her at FTC.
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yeah I think sugar is a fun underdog to root for, but they definitely made her look better to the audience than she probably actually was
I definitely think nonstrategic play can be fun, in this season it just feels like mindless chaos a lot of the time though
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also every time there has been a schoolyard pick for tribes it has resulted in a...
It blew my mind in the first episodes when a bunch of middle aged ladies got picked over the more athletic peeps.
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like it often feels like bad strategy which is different than emotion-forward and intentionally nonstrategic
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I definitely think nonstrategic play can be fun, in this season it just feels li...
Oh it was pure chaos. Only strategic minded player still made bad decisions and then got himself voted out by overplaying his hand.
It was also interesting that the oldest player ended up being the challenge beast.
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Bob was in pretty good shape honestly! and it really depends on what the challenges are
and he benefitted from a lot of the physically strong people being booted early
also who could have predicted that the olympian Crystal would turn out to be one of the worst challenge performers of all time
like to this day I do not understand
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Ha already forgot about the all-moms tribe that was losing every challenge choosing to vote out the people who annoyed them and keeping their weakest players, which ensured they would just keep losing.
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iirc even at the reunion they played a montage of her in challenges and Jeff was like "hey Crystal, what the fuck"
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did she have an undisclosed staph infection like that other guy?
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not that I'm aware of lmao
she did admit to steroid use though and has since been stripped of her gold medal 👀
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On January 29, 2010, the Associated Press and ESPN.com reported that Crystal admitted to using anabolic steroids from 2001 through 2004. As a result, she has forfeited all of her results from that time period, and received a four-year suspension. The suspension lasted until January 2014. In 2012, Crystal was stripped of her gold medal.
from the survivor wiki
and her gold medal was from the 2004 olympics
4 x 400 m relay
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Do you think Sugar knew she had no chance to win or was she just being herself at FTC? Seemed like a lot of self-sabotage. But I was also surprised that Susie got any votes. She seemed like a goat to me.
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I feel like sugar probably knew?
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Tried watching season 19 last night but quit at the end of the first episode. Russell is a fucking sociopath and I don’t enjoy watching cruel, manipulative people succeed. Did the show just start recruiting Jonny Fairplay types for a while or something?
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season 19 is tough, and I'll just say that tone-wise it does not get better. ||Russell absolutely dominated that season and pretty fundamentally changed the game. They stopped giving idol clues because of him finding so many without clues.||
if it makes you feel better, results spoiler ||Russell makes it to the finale, but Natalie White, who he dragged along as a goat, beats him because everyone hates him||
he is well-documented to be an awful person too, and he was such a successful villain on the show that he comes back two or three times
you will see him again in season 20, and if you're gonna watch one season with Russell, watch that season. Season 20 is a lot of peoples' favorite season
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Thanks for the info. Good instincts for me to not continue. Besides Russell there just seemed to be a lot of free floating misogyny in both tribes.
But it sucks to hear he made it so far and got to come back multiple times. Not winning but still walking away with 2nd place money just shows there’s no real justice in the world.
What I still don’t get about survivor is how players who are personally despised by everyone else consistently get deep runs and sometimes win. They vote women off first thing for crying or doing nothing around camp but obnoxious, toxic dudes stick around until the end.
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reason one is misogyny
reason two is men often get let off the hook for a lot of stuff because they're seen as an asset in challenges in the tribal portion
in russell's case, his alliance was so dominant that it was pretty impossible to target him for most of the game, plus he was really good at manipulating people and exploiting cracks in the opposing alliance. Plus he constantly used idols to his advantage
all of which kept him safe until the finale, but his cruel spiritedness cost him the win
Russell is one of the best players to ever play if you consider the objective of the game to be making it to the end. However, he has no idea how to make it to the end and maintain the support of the jury
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Russell is one of the best players to ever play if you consider the objective of...
Which is an interesting commentary in itself on the nature of the game of survivor.
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as far as why certain types of people win, it varies SO wildly by season. It depends who on the cast makes the jury, who's sitting next to each other in the finals, what the jury's personal priorities are, and how each finalist articulates their game
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And I’m sure he was able to monetize his survivor notoriety beyond the million he would’ve won.
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a hundred percent, but there is some vindication in the idea that the title is all he ever really wanted and he will never ever get it
I will say very few people I would categorize as "despised" have won the game, and if they have it's usually because they were able to defend their game well enough to the jury or were sitting next to someone who was also despised
like probably the most unpleasant season of Survivor ever was season 5, Survivor Thailand
the finalists were both absolutely awful people, so it was just picking between two people everyone hated
but like does that given jury favor relationships more or strategy more? Do they feel you balanced the two well enough? Did you personally offend any of them on their way out the door? Are they the type of person to hold a grudge on that? Are they logical people or emotional people? All factors, and there is no one recipe for a winning game
there are people I think should have won who got second who I think would have won if they were on a different season, and vice versa
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Do you know how Russell got on the show to begin with? Was casting seeking out villain types? Because I assume that’s how big brother and other reality shows at the time worked. Cast crazy narcissists because it’s good tv and if you end up giving them a bunch of money and celebrity oh well.
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lemme see if I can find if he was an applicant or a recruit, I think this was definitely in the era where they went heavy on recruiting
I think he's a casting no brainer though, like he's cunning, he's a big character, and they cast for both heroes AND villains all the time
could they have known how dominant he would be as a villain? probably not, but from a casting perspective I am not surprised at all that he made it
interesting, allegedly Russell was childhood friends with a cast member on season 14, and they helped him get connected to get cast on Survivor after Russell had previously applied for a different Mark Burnett show called Pirate Master that was cancelled
I'll also note that Russell is a MASSIVE figure in Survivor lore now. He is probably the most controversial and hotly debated contestant of all time. He had a massive impact on the game and is still heavily debated as far as the line between strategy and ethics in Survivor
I would definitely recommend watching season 20 sometime. It's Heroes vs. Villains, which is an all-returnees season. He is on the Villains tribe naturally, but there's kind of an unusual dynamic created because 19 and 20 were filmed back to back, so no one had seen him play before and they did not know just how big of a villain he was his first time around.
if you're looking for more seasons for right now in that middle era of Survivor, I HIGHLY recommend season 15 (China), and season 16 (Fans vs. Favorites) is a returnee season and probably my personal all-time favorite
season 21-24 is a VERY weak stretch, but 25 is my other personal all-time favorite
oh 18 (Tocantins) is also very solid from that middle era
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I'll also note that Russell is a MASSIVE figure in Survivor lore now. He is prob...
For me, the line was crossed when he burned a guys socks and dumped out everyone’s water for nebulous “strategic” reasons. Guys just a sadist who was probably gleeful at opportunity to fuck with people with no consequences and to possibly win a million dollars.
I’m just randomly watching seasons that are available for free on Amazon.
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yeah his strategy was to pyschologically weaken people to make them easier to manipulate
and then was surprised when the people who he psychologically tortured were like "hey, you're cruel and messed up and I don't want to give you what you want"
at the finale he offered to buy the title from the woman who beat him
gotcha! I've definitely done that, lemme see what they have right now
hmmm kinda a weak Amazon offering right now
21 is okay, definitely the best of the weak seasons
22 is awful
23 is weird
24 is not a great season but it is one of the best winning games of all time, so kind of a mix there
and 25 I love but BIG ASTERISK in case I haven't told you the history of Michael Skupin yet
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I have never heard of Michael skupin
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at the finale he offered to *buy the title from the woman who beat him*
That tracks. I get the sense that he’s sitting on a pile of inherited family money so it doesn’t mean much to him.
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yeah the way he makes it sound, I think his family has Houston oil money
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I’m not going to google it but I’m sure that’s it. 90% of people who are loud arrogant assholes talking about how great and tough they are and everyone else is a weak idiot baby are people who have inherited everything they have. No real achievements of their own.
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Watching S21. Naonka just got caught stealing food and I can't believe just shouting down everyone when they catch you red handed is a winning strategy.
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Ah, I've come to the part of S21 where I mute/fast forward through the cringe walk of fallen survivors, as is tradition.
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What does the Survivor community think about quitters being allowed to be on the jury?
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I believe the Nicaragua double-quit so late in the game caused them to change the rules
so now you CAN potentially forfeit your jury spot and prize money if you quit
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Wait has that happened
Yeah, just finished Season 21. After the merge, two people quit right after a reward challenge. One of them was ||one of the most obnoxious, self-centered and entitled players I have ever seen. Most of her confessionals were about how great she was and how she was dominating the game. Then right after her team wins a reward, she announces she's quitting. Instead of giving her spot to someone else who could use the food, she went on the reward and then had no fucks to give at the impromptu tribal council they had to deal with her and another player's quit.||
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yeahhhhhh the editors REALLY did not sugarcoat ||NaOnka|| in the edit at ALL
they did what they could to ||bury both of them. Made NaOnka look as bad as she possibly could and made Purple Kelly almost completely invisible in the edit.||
If you ever hear someone referred to in Survivor as having a "purple edit", that's a reference to Purple Kelly and the producers intentionally giving her as little content as possible
she didn't get her first confessional of the season until episode SEVEN.
which is kinda funny because of the two, even though NaOnka was the one with all the screen presence, invisible Purple Kelly probably has the longer lasting legacy in the Survivor fandom
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was there ever additional information about their quits that wasn't in the edit? Like whatshisnames staph infection
or did they both just decide to quit at the same time?
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nothing that I know of
there's only one quit other than Osten that I can think of that is significantly missing additional context
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I like that they keep calling her purple Kelly loooong after the other, "regular" Kelly got voted off.
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oh also, Chase Rice from that season is now a major country music star???
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I've read about issues between contestants in some seasons that don't get into the edit but definitely would affect someone's desire to stay. For example, there's a poker pro that was constantly sexually harassing and assaulting the female players. I could see someone wanting to get away from that and the show not showing the context.
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oh also, Chase Rice from that season is now a major country music star???
sounds on brand. Country is the easiest, wishy-washyist genre to get into 🙂
maybe Christian pop is easier
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I've read about issues between contestants in some seasons that don't get into t...
uhhhh lemme just say that never ever ever watch season 39
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that's probably one of the seasons I read about? Shit going down where a guy was warned and then grabbed a producers ass?
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he ended up being removed from the game but not before the contestant that first confronted him about inappropriate touching was lambasted by most of the cast and voted off
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and no one would back up the women in his tribe who were complaining about him
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and yeah I believe he was ejected only after there was ANOTHER incident with a producer
the public outcry was SO BAD, Survivor had to publicly commit to overhauling their inhouse SA training and Jeff publicly apologized to the contestant that raised the issue
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I wish the show screened for bigots and likely sexual assaulters beforehand. There was some guy at the beginning of S21 who went on a homophobic rant when it became clear he was probably getting voted off.
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my favorite survivor critic fully quit watching the show after the merge episode where most of the awfulness went down
like from getting paid to talk about survivor to "I'm done with this show"
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I feel that. Why should they have to watch content that can be triggering but presented as "entertainment?"
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yeah 100%
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I think I've mentioned this before but I always read Jeff as a bit of a sadist.
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and the show clearly handled it so badly in the moment
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I hate that awful people can get cast (in part because they're awful, not in spite of it) and have life changing positive benefits from it for them for the rest of their lives, no matter how well or how poorly their run is.
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yeah 😦
I will say I do not think the offending cast member in question got cast BECAUSE they're awful at all
like I don't think it was something the producers saw coming
like he didn't come off as crass or misogynistic
sometimes you straight-up don't know
I think survivor's other notable triggering incident of the era is similar. I don't think there's ANY way the producers could have guessed that ||a gay contestant might out a closeted trans contestant on national television||
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I think they have an inkling about people who end up calling black contestants "ghetto trash," etc.
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oh yeah I am not defending Ben Browning
him, they should have known better
is that who you were thinking of?
oh wait no he was on Samoa
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But when they're profiling the contestants, they must know if a contestant rails against SJWs, says things like "all lives matter," "as long as they leave me alone, I'll leave them alone," etc. Those are hard to miss flags.
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I definitely think there's times in which they know better and ignore the red flags. I just don't think season 39 was one of those times is what I mean. I don't think the red flags were very visible prior to the season
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is that who you were thinking of?
The guy from the season where the guy burned socks and I didn't watch past the first episode. But also the season where ||Fabio|| wins, which I just watched. First guy voted off was clearly homophobic and I think racist?
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ok yeah I was thinking of the guy from the burning socks season
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And I'm sure Jane had opinions on those people.
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lemme look up who the hell was first boot from nicaragua lmao
OH you mean Shannon Elkins
first boot from the young tribe
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Yeah, Shannon.
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yeahhhhh
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Asked if one of the other guys was gay at tribal council. All accusingly-like.
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god I forgot about that
I think Jeff literally facepalmed
there's some seasons where you can tell Jeff absolutely hated the casts
Nicaragua is one of them
Gabon? also one of them
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Watching S24 on Amazon. Wow, Colton is a giant piece of shit. How do they keep casting racist loudmouths on this show?
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Yeah Colton is awful
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Watched the episode last night where Colton ||talks his tribe into giving up their immunity so they can vote out Bill. The fact that that actually worked, that all these guys went along with this stupid idea from the guy they were all set to vote out first is just…Jesus Christ. I thought the women’s tribe was really bad but now I have to root against all the guys for how stupid they are collectively||
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Watched the episode last night where Colton ||talks his tribe into giving up the...
this really was bafflingly dumb
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Well there's some karma. I hope that was more painful than it looked and get fucked, Colton.
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He left the game how he was to watch play, painfully
also allegedly the main source of Colton's vendetta against Bill was that Bill actually threw Colton's idol into the ocean, which violates Survivor idol rules. Production had to replace Colton's idol
I still don't think that tells the whole story though, like you have to have strong enough beef with someone to want to throw their idol into the ocean
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Maybe the throwing the idol thing was prompted by, oh I don't know, days of unmitigated racist bullying and insults.
This season has a couple of bullies who gaslight everyone into believing that they're the offended party. Alicia and Colton are toxic bullies. Colton keepIng the idol as a souvenir rather than give it to the other tribe bully was
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Most likely yeah :/
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Ok, the guys are being complete idiots post merge. Following the women's alliance and voting themselves off.
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yup bunch of dumb dumbs
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2-3 of them focusing on their alpha dog rivalries while the women snipe them one by one.
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Oh, I feel kind of sorry for Kat. She thinks these women are really her friends. I hope she got therapy after this.
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Whelp, no surprise who the winner was. It sucks that Christina basically shut down her game on day one after making a pretty decent deal for fire and getting yelled at for it.
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yep Kim is one of the most dominant winners of all time. Truly no contest
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Well 2/3 of the field just handed it to her. Troy was the only male who tried to do something before it was too late. Christina and Kat just happily jumped off the plank for their alliance.
I think even if Kat and Christina could be convinced that they were at the bottom of their alliance they would’ve still stayed loyal to the women’s alliance.
Oh, did some follow up reading and apparently Colton faked how painful his condition was because he wanted to quit. Sounds on brand.
keen junco
Happy Survivor Day!!!!
hybrid plover
is it back?!? (yes!!)
keen junco
2 hour premiere tonight!
hybrid plover
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"People are looking for idols or advantages" is the new "I can't believe they rolled dice on their turn" when you're playing Monopoly.
of course they're looking, they're playing the game
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I have an insane amount of cleaning to do tonight that HAS to happen tonight, and I know if I try to multitask while watching the premiere I will end up not doing the cleaning 😭 will catch up!
devout oar
Ok I am getting back into survivor after not watching it since the early 2000s.
keen junco
no way he just threw that fucking hourglass
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BROTHERRR
I cannot believe it
He’s gonna get voted out no one else is out here being a quitter like that
keen junco
Survibing
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Akshully, D&D isn't a board game
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I fricken love Bhanu
keen junco
I fear it’s another person that can’t talk in first person. Just always talking in third person
okay I’m over the camp stuff now too lmao
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Hunter is mood
keen junco
my bf and I just sitting on the couch talking about who’s hot and who’s not
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How are they clocking
keen junco
Sodarrrrr
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Jeff loves quitters so I'm sure he loved this guy
keen junco
who?
hybrid plover
what's our spoiler policy here
if you're here you better have watched the most recent episode?
keen junco
imo this is a spoiler channel. if you haven’t watched the episode, mute it
that’s how other channels are treated
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but DJ, throwing the hour glass is such a classless move
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Yeah that is not in the spirit of survivor at all
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|| and I'm sorry but Jess seems a bit under prepared mentally but the vote against her at all made no sense given DJs performance and attitude ||
keen junco
okay we also go on pacific time tho
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Oo I think yeah
keen junco
if that’s what you mean
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I think we are the last to see it hours wise
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oops sorry dunno if it's still airing out your way, I'm on eastern specific time
devout oar
We are not at the voting part lol
keen junco
we’re barely halfway through
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8:57 pm for me here
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womp deepest apologies if that gave anything away
keen junco
I love Tevin
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watching this weird guess who's lying game now. It's so dumb.
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Jelinsky is a quitterrrrr
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oh is he the one who threw the hourglass? I missed that
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I think so yeah
Sheesh man
If you’re not willing to try or lie then do you really want tha money
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Omg poor Jess
Gurl
Oh shiii a podcast!!
On fire with Jeff Probst: the official survivor podcast
keen junco
last season
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Oh ok
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several means seven
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A whole mess
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how is that not the title of this episode?
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Wow, yellow tribe is just dominating the challenges. Not even a contest for anything so far.
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I feel like to be on survivor you need to be reasonably muscular
Get it sodarrrr
JELISNKY WHY DO THEY CONTINUE TO LET HIM BE IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING
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I don't know. I guess there are competing thoughts on how important the challenges actually are to the overall game and chances of any individual winning. Some people think the challenges are actually not very important, so athleticism and challenge capability isn't that important compared to alliance building and social games.
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LMAO I HAVE A GREAT ALLIANCE and let’s everyone leave to talk crap about him
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Q is right
keen junco
absolutely
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Like you guys come on your are picking jelinsky over and over and he’s failing you how is Jess who has physical limitations worse than a quitter that you put in charge
Crazy to me
keen junco
oh I love Jeff grilling someone
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Yeah Jeff knows all
keen junco
he usually doesn’t
devout oar
“You know what Jeff” bro omg just shut uppp
keen junco
he gets tidbits from producers, but he relies on players to tell him what happened
keen junco
I’m done
devout oar
Byeeeeee ruiner of sand dials
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Great job making magic @devout oar! Mickey is promoting you to level 18 !
keen junco
lol
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bestie was this really a blindside
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Also, was he ever comfortable for one minute during his time on the island?
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watching now
Bhanu is so sweet, so pure
so happy
"last I checked, several means seven, not four" bruh WHAT
wowwww that was certainly a choice
ok Hunter is a wet blanket
"Venus is the goddess of love, but she's married to the god of wrath" DAMN
"HOW DARE YOU ASSUME CORRECTLY" I'm so here for Venus
I also really like Soda, she has just great energy
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Fun fact: Venus wasn’t married to the god of wrath. She was married to the dwarven blacksmith
Lmk when you get to the sweat v savvy challenge.
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she had a longstanding affair with the god of wrath right?
oh already past it, that's what the "that was certainly a choice" referred to
and now he's so loudly volunteering for the journey wtf
this man has no self awareness
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Not really. Poets and artists liked to pair them together because they were hot af. But nothing really “canon”. Ares and Aphrodite banged a bunch though.
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Also Mars was god of war, not wrath.