or at least something significant
#Mandalorian
shrewd shell
solar copper
Idk maybe as someone who hasn’t watched Clone Wars yet I have a different view but I think they can do the retaking of Mandalore (if they decide to do that, I’m still not sure they will to be completely honest) in two episodes.
foggy tide
This is the first time we’ve seen B1s in live action since ROTS right?
shrewd shell
mando s1 has the B1s
foggy tide
Din Djarin is just a silly goofy guy
shrewd shell
I will be disappointed if s3 just ends with the army huddled together and about to take mandalore, cause I thought they rushed through the stuff in Bobf and the beginning so they could start their seige in the middle of the season
foggy tide
This episode is legit really good
shrewd shell
yeah i did like it, im a sucker for for detective story
foggy tide
I grew up on network procedurals so I’m loving these vibes
solar copper
I will be disappointed if s3 just ends with the army huddled together and about ...
I’m seriously confused how much time you expect it to take to do the retaking of mandalore, two 40+ min episodes feels like enough. Especially since we got a lot of Mandalore earlier
shrewd shell
its a whole planet so there could be a lot of back and forth
imo it feels like were running out of time, but I could be wrong by the end of the season
solar copper
I mean I’m assuming we focus in on retaking the capital or something like that anyways.
shrewd shell
but also I expected more gathering of Mandos which I suspect might be next week and then the finale is the battle
like we've only seen the cult and Bo's crew
weary olive
There’s also the small matter of the imperials that destroyed bo katans palace, unless that’s what you are thinking they battle
shrewd shell
oh shit yeah I wonder what theyre about
also we got the New Republic that currently thinks the Mandalorians broke Gideon out
mint quest
imo it feels like were running out of time, but I could be wrong by the end of t...
It really just seems like you're setting yourself up for disappointment at this point. This is clearly not a season about "retaking Mandalore," so continuing to expect that into the finale of the show when there's been nothing to suggest it so far seems... contrarian?
Season 3 definitely lacks the "mission statement" the first two seasons had, but I think it functions well enough as a breather season both for Din and for the audience, after 16 episodes of being on the run or on the chase.
gentle spear
so was the lead ugnaught Mark Hamill or no? because i thought it was the second he spoke but I can't find confirmation except that listed tweet above which seems gone?
vast rover
Bill Burrs character was amazing and I miss him
This was just Jack Black showing up to Celebration
fyi I love Black, but I could give less shits about this character he’s portraying
Also I fucking told you Oats, this season has had too much exposition via dialogue
Show me, don’t just tell me. But this episode was the most fun so far this season. Best side quest. That fight scene between the two mandos was sick.
weary olive
Also I fucking told you Oats, this season has had too much exposition via dialog...
You right
formal cape
This is correct
shrewd shell
Season 3 definitely lacks the "mission statement" the first two seasons had, but...
Hmm that's true, if we don't get to taking back Mandalore then it's even more confusing why they put the Mando episodes in BoBF
weary olive
What exactly does “taking back mandalore” mean though
steel stag
I thought it was just overran by the native creatures
it’ll take a lot to reshape the planet to a livable place
weary olive
I feel like that wouldn’t be particularly interesting viewing though
solar copper
I mean thats why if thats the direction they go, I fully expect it to be in conjunction with Moff attacking them.
weary olive
For me the most interesting would be yeah moff+mando vs our mando
solar copper
Yeah I’m expecting something along those lines.
With of course Bo taking control of the Mythasaur to boot.
gentle spear
I have no idea how they tie up all the threads they've spun this season in 2 episodes. I feel like its going to be super rushed
weary olive
I mean there’s just the Gideon and mythosaur right?
Nothings gonna happen with ig88
The republic stuff is also not gonna be developed, imo at least
Seems kinda almost a back door pilot for rangers
shrewd shell
I think the New Republic has to get involved since they currently believe the Mandos to have taken Moff Gideon
vast rover
But like why do you want mandalor back at this point
Planets been glassed to shit
Imagine trying to rebuild the biggest domed city
With 100s of mandos
weary olive
Tbh clone wars mandalore is the only time I’ve seen it depicted that way lol
weary olive
But like why do you want mandalor back at this point
Also nobody currently inhabits it, free planet
vast rover
Free dead planet
weary olive
I think the New Republic has to get involved since they currently believe the Ma...
I feel like this is too complicated for mando tbh, 3 way fight with one against the “good guys”
light shale
weary olive
I’m happy for her
broken pendant
Say what you want about her performance, you could tell that she was having a friggin' blast.
weary olive
That is true
gentle spear
I have to imagine "I GET TO HOLD GROGU" was said during contract negotiations at least once, really enjoyed it
earnest smelt
mint quest
I mean there’s just the Gideon and mythosaur right?
I don't think Gideon or the Mythosaur gets resolved this season.
pure lotus
kind of left field prediction
mint quest
Mythosaur could, I suppose. That's gonna be like Krayt Dragon 2.0
But Gideon is 100% Season 4 material
pure lotus
Bo rides the Mythosaur, becomes de facto leader of Mandalore; reveal that Axe Wolves' crew broke out Gideon causing Mando/Bo to want to kick them out, Armorer wants to keep em to continue rebuilding Mandalore, next season turns into Mando civil war
i think of that, the definite part is that Wolves knows where Gideon is
mint quest
For sure
I think that might be the stinger for the season, that Wolves is still on his payroll
weary olive
But Gideon is 100% Season 4 material
So what else happens this season?
mint quest
Well if Bo has designs on that Mythosaur, it will take at least one episode to get everyone to Mandalore, and then the finale would be the dragon fight.
pure lotus
Well if Bo has designs on that Mythosaur, it will take at least one episode to g...
Or, realistically because rule of cool wins everyday
it'll take 3 minutes of exposition and a star wipe to get everyone to Mandalore
past yew
I feel like that wouldn’t be particularly interesting viewing though
Wdym u don't want to sit for decades to see lichen reclame the glass, and that lichen eventually turn to soil, which will foster the growth of trees?
plain pier
twilit pine
I guess my thing is, it’s such a short season
Good side quest since it’s like cw
But then we gotta wait 2 fucking years for next season
I’m getting old man
fading raptor
So are all the cast except Grogu
weary olive
Spoilers due to Lego ||we do know that at some point the good mandolorians fight tie interceptors so I feel like moff Gideon has to be settled this season||
shrewd shell
imo tho 2 of those are my least favorite of their respective seasons, but thats besides the point, I dont mind the side missions
the sanctuary and spider episodes I really liked tho
weary olive
I think the episode can be fun but also have story issues
Idk
For me it felt like the focus was 100% on the guest stars rather than the story
vast rover
yeah iono what yall talking about
Mando has always been about side missions
its a fucking video game but in movie form. what do you call these
foggy tide
That’s the tatooine episode from season 1
vast rover
no thats friendly traitor rob
he gets murdered by Ming Na Wen i think?
Bottom left sidequest
pure lotus
i read a summary of the episode he's in and have literally zero memory of it
like i'd believe you if you told me chatgpt wrote this paragraph
weary olive
The guest stars had like less then 5 minutes of screen time
They contain 95% of what I remember
I went and checked and it was 10.5 minutes of the 3 of them which was 27% of the total episode of 38.5 minutes long
weary olive
its a fucking video game but in movie form. what do you call these
I want season 1 side missions back or season 2 were cool, yknow kill a krayt dragon, try and kill fennec, transport a frog lady, save a town from invaders
vast rover
Get baptized, rescue City from rebellious droids, and uhhh watch a doctor get mind zapped
Rescue kid Mando from birbs
weary olive
You forgot outflying pirate raiders who’ve done this a long time and making their ship crash into the city
vast rover
Hopefully grogu will do more than just checks notes fly thru the air like a doll being tossed around
crystal kiln
👎
solar copper
I always saw this as happening. I feel like we need a conclusion to Dins story though for this to be totally true
vast rover
Yeah well thats like Ricks opinion man
https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-coen-brothers-joel-coen-ethan-coen-jeff-bridges-gif-14873468
weary olive
Din just along for the ride
shrewd shell
Remember when everyone liked this show cause it was just about some Dude in the galaxy
vast rover
the biggest star wars fan at my job thinks that Mando is most definitely going to have ||Ezra|| show up
and probably ||Thrawn|| to lead into Ahsoka
shrewd shell
the biggest star wars fan at my job thinks that Mando is most definitely going t...
I doubt this season will have it
vast rover
because of ||Space Whales||
I was thinking Sabine or Hera but
he's pretty convinced
pure lotus
Definitely a possibility
weary olive
What are ||space whales||
I don’t think that’s gonna happen, I agree with laserman
Too much gulp shitto
Ahsoka is set before mando iirc
||I hope people die in ahsoka||
I wanna see some consequences
pure lotus
What are ||space whales||
Big ass whales that live in space and like, control hyperspace or something. That’s how Ezra and Thrawn disappeared at the end of rebels
weary olive
Oh I just saw
vast rover
Yeah fuck oats
crystal kiln
They’re like the whales from avatar 2
vast rover
You had your chance
pure lotus
I am flat out spoiling rebels shit since no one is going to watch it lol
vast rover
So Ahsoka takes place before Mando?
clever sundialBOT
weary olive
Yeah fuck oats
Wow
Really?
new Ahsoka series will presumably pick up after her appearance in The Mandalorian season two.
Nvm I hate it now
We need more stuff right after 6
Right
vast rover
What lady with the spear lol
weary olive
Lady has a twin
vast rover
Ooooooooh the compound
weary olive
Also one thing I noticed that was super jarring was ahsoka talking to sabine
clever sundialBOT
vast rover
wHERe iS gRaNd admIrAl tHrawn
hollow vigil
This lady
weary olive
wHERe iS gRaNd admIrAl tHrawn
Grand admiral thrawn is a really good villian smh
Yeah okay I hate it now
weary olive
The character that needs a cameo is Cal
Too bad he missed his shot in Kenobi
Ez DiCaprio
crystal kiln
I don’t think elsbeth died
past yew
Remember when everyone liked this show cause it was just about some Dude in the ...
Yeah i can't wait for him to run into kylo ren
proven hedge
This is almost like an intermediate season
Hence the episode 3 detour, I'm guessing.
It's probably trying to set up too many shows and spinoffs/ lead into the sequels which I think has made this season feel somewhat scattered so far
proven hedge
you never know
yeah but the pilot
it could be nothing but i almost felt like the new republic pilot was going to become part of that
slate crow
Appa from Kim's Convenience with his own show?
proven hedge
it would probably be something that sets up how the new republic begins failing from the start to defend the galaxy from emerging threats and be any better than the original Republic
fading raptor
If they wanted they could rework the show without her but probably not a priority now.
proven hedge
Definitely on the backburner for now, but we could see it after the next few shows
slate crow
they just needed to show her dead body on that ship that Gideon was taken from
fading raptor
I saw someone doing a breakdown show a shot that could've essentially represented her arm in the wreckage.
proven hedge
That actually could make sense
fading raptor
It's safe to assume though that she was on that transport given she was apart of taking him in.
proven hedge
Yeah she was a very big part of it so I doubt she's still alive, besides the fact that they already got rid of her character
slate crow
should have just made it explicit enough where we know it's her (ie, show the arm with the tattoo)
then again, people will say, it's just the arm, people can live without an arm. 😛
(if the arm was just floating there per-se)
burnt steppe
no body not dead
proven hedge
you could see a bit of her body in the rubble maybe
burnt steppe
thems the rules
proven hedge
or if body still not dead
burnt steppe
or her badge floatin in the air
weary olive
Why recast
proven hedge
not worth it imo
weary olive
Just have a new character that has the same backstory
proven hedge
theres also potential for an even better character
solar copper
I agree with her conclusion here personally
fading raptor
Royalty =/= princess but if she feels that way, okay.
burnt steppe
tbf the caption says dutchess
earnest smelt
tough sigil
Was it the same Mon Cala prince? 
Also, I personally loved Lizzo. 
she wasn’t overacting and she wasn’t dry
bronze void
I love how they discovered transitive property this episode.
tough sigil
So maybe his son
burnt steppe
vast rover
Hurts my heart to see how old he's gotten 
formal cape
I just finished episode 4
Is it a rule that you have to have an Order 66 flashback to make a season of Star Wars?
earnest smelt
It’s like a tax credit
weary olive
Filoni is doing it solely for me
shrewd shell
they probably filmed all the order 66 stuff for all the shows at once and just have it like stock video for them 
primal flume
they only had one day with the clone trooper armor they had to shoot as much as possible
crystal cliff
They said “we can’t let oats down!”
formal cape
Also that flashback was so wild
It just randomly jumped from Baby Yoda is scared to “here’s 5 minutes of order 66 for no reason”
solar copper
Was for sure a random jump, I liked it but it wasn’t totally needed.
formal cape
Isn’t Boba technically a clone though.
There were two episodes without Boba though
solar copper
There were two episodes without Boba though <:ppRapLaugh:756792377443876944>
You mean the best two of the show
weary olive
Isn’t Boba technically a clone though.
Yes biologically but there’s a cultural aspect
pure lotus
It just randomly jumped from Baby Yoda is scared to “here’s 5 minutes of order 6...
It’s the second time this has happened too. At this point the Armorer’s forge is a flashback machine
formal cape
This episode also really felt like George Lucas directed it
Unfortunately for Carl Weathers, it was George Lucas (2002)
formal cape
No the Mandos sneak up on a giant bird
weary olive
Oh right
crystal cliff
yeah i amend my statement that falcon isn't the worst show i've watched in the last five years, it's book of boba fett
formal cape
But then don’t sneak up actually, and just fly and go pew pew
weary olive
yeah i amend my statement that falcon isn't the worst show i've watched in the l...
This is good take
It has like 2 good episodes though at least
The one where he makes his stick
And the first mando episode
crystal cliff
But then don’t sneak up actually, and just fly and go pew pew
sorry i'm still mad about the line paz visla john favreau whatever where he goes "he always outruns my jetpack!!"
weary olive
I cannot talk about the tactical disability of the mandalorian people
solar copper
yeah i amend my statement that falcon isn't the worst show i've watched in the l...
Very valid tbh.
weary olive
What about Kenobi cz?
crystal cliff
gun to head i'd rather watch kenobi than falcon
Kenobi is a bad show but it's less about it being a bad show and more about the utter crushing disappointment that it is for what it should be.
pure lotus
I honestly don’t remember enough about Falcon to dislike it
Not to actively dislike it, at least
weary olive
Ewan McGregor does carry it
crystal cliff
I've watched Falcon twice because I rewatched it with Beedont
weary olive
Falcon is just overall mid
weary olive
I think my favorite episode was the power broker one tbh
weary olive
Falcon is basically when Beedont gave up on Marvel shows
That was the first one
pure lotus
Wanda was first
crystal cliff
yeah, wanda was first
weary olive
Oh right
pure lotus
Falcon was going to be first but Covid
crystal cliff
He watched Falcon tho and was like "ya i'm out"
weary olive
Did beedont like the Netflix ones?
crystal cliff
i highly doubt he's seen those
weary olive
As someone who’s watched 5 out of the like 7 seasons of the Netflix ones
I appreciate falcon
crystal cliff
We weren't dating then so I couldn't force him to watch them
weary olive
Anyway wrong channel
solar copper
Kenobi is a bad show but it's less about it being a bad show and more about the ...
Yeah I agree with this, I would say I’d rather re-watch Kenobi than Falcon, and both before I rewatch anything but BDH episode of Boba
crystal cliff
mando lol
solar copper
Yep
pure lotus
Fitting
weary olive
That ring station planet was so good
pure lotus
Literally just keep Robert Rodriguez away from pop culture
crystal cliff
crazy part is that
pure lotus
Let him do his $1000 indie movies
formal cape
I’m shocked to learn that the episode with a random unrelated Order 66 flashback was the only one that Dave Filoni wrote this season
crystal cliff
The Robert Rodriguez Boba episode in season 2
pure lotus
I’m *shocked* to learn that the episode with a random unrelated Order 66 flashba...
And the episode with a random Legends character shoved in for no reason
weary olive
Can you imagine that 2 years after John wick 3, a higher budget show has 10 times worse action?
crystal cliff
The characterization of Boba is not the same as in the Boba show
solar copper
I think it might be the best episodes she’s directed at least imo. I do really like her S1 Mando episode also, her S2 and 3 are good but the other two are better.
crystal cliff
It's literally inconsistent between the two shows and that's crazy to me
weary olive
The characterization of Boba is not the same as in the Boba show
Yeah they messed him up
solar copper
I’m *shocked* to learn that the episode with a random unrelated Order 66 flashba...
I think he wrote this weeks episode thats coming out tonight also.
weary olive
I didn’t want to watch a show about “I’m old”
tough sigil
I just wanna go back to Epcot with Lizzo okay
solar copper
Fairly sure this weeks episode is (possible spoilers) ||a lot of set up for Ahsoka||
weary olive
I would disagree with that
pure lotus
The trailer for Skeleton Crew had ||the pirate who escaped, so that’s not gonna get resolved||
formal cape
I think he wrote this weeks episode thats coming out tonight also.
Can’t wait to catch up in 3 weeks
tough sigil
The trailer for Skeleton Crew had ||the pirate who escaped, so that’s not gonna ...
Did that get wide release
weary olive
||adding in another villian is like super bad storytelling||
tough sigil
Or was that celebration exclusive
pure lotus
Did that get wide release
Exclusive
weary olive
if gideon was really gone then Id agree with you z
tough sigil
RIP
weary olive
Or was that celebration exclusive
leak
tough sigil
I’m still trying to catch up
weary olive
i havent bothered to look but its out there
solar copper
if gideon was really gone then Id agree with you z
So I think we both could be right tbh.
pure lotus
According the IMDB, Filoni did write tonight’s episode, so ||Ahsoka stuff is probable||
crystal cliff
tbh they should have just let gideon be gone
weary olive
So I think we both could be right tbh.
we will see, as far as I can tell, ahsoka is set before mando s3 right?
tough sigil
Like I just discovered another oga’s soundtrack dropped
pure lotus
tbh they should have just let gideon be gone
Somehow, Gideon returned
crystal cliff
he was a good villain but this retread sucks even if it's like OMG WOVES HAD HIM THE WHOLE TIME!
solar copper
we will see, as far as I can tell, ahsoka is set before mando s3 right?
I don’t think so, I don’t know where people are getting this from tbh.
weary olive
||so itll be super spoilerly if we see anything related to ahsoka||
crystal cliff
and i don't care about that elon musk looking fucker
weary olive
I don’t think so, I don’t know where people are getting this from tbh.
filoni said between s2 and s3 at some point i remember reading
weary olive
and i don't care about that elon musk looking fucker
you will learn
i hope
if they mess up thrawn
filoni is dead to me
pure lotus
||so itll be super spoilerly if we see anything related to ahsoka||
It’s at least partially before Mando 3
tough sigil
Okay but
crystal cliff
I've had Thrawn shoved down my throat for over five years. Stop trying to make Thrawn happen
tough sigil
Rebels is best animated
weary olive
the trailer indicates a long movie
crystal cliff
The only blue people I have room for in my heart are NaVI ❤️
tough sigil
And that’s all I care about
formal cape
Thrawn is a cool book character
weary olive
my current canon is the legends books and the 1 current canon book i read
the other canon books are like 4 month long waits at my library
solar copper
filoni said between s2 and s3 at some point i remember reading
Yeah idk for sure, I think they are being deliberately tight lipped on when it takes place for now.
crystal cliff
Honestly for me, as a star wars fan, nuke all of the books and cartoon shows and I'd be happy. Sorry!!!!!!!!
pure lotus
Thrawn was neat in Rebels but yeah, the picture of him that leaked didnt look great
weary olive
Honestly for me, as a star wars fan, nuke all of the books and cartoon shows and...
this hurts
pure lotus
Blue Musk is real
solar copper
Honestly for me, as a star wars fan, nuke all of the books and cartoon shows and...
Don’t let Obi see this.
weary olive
tbh they should have just let gideon be gone
agreed, he already got beat, theres no threat
they did cad really good
they can do blue people
weary olive
It's not known if the events of Ahsoka and The Mandalorian season 3 are happening concurrently, or if Ahsoka will be taking place right before or after the latter.6 hours ago
pure lotus
Zeb was also really well done for live action even for that short shot
crystal cliff
I'd rather watch Cad than like, any of the pirates they've introduced in Mando this season
weary olive
yeah cad living wouldve been nice
crystal cliff
I am excited to see more Zeb.
weary olive
Zeb was also really well done for live action even for that short shot
zeb was good
fading raptor
I think Zeb turned out better than Cad but Cad was still good
weary olive
zeb little bit too cg for me to think its better
pure lotus
Also where the fuck is he
weary olive
wdym
weary olive
hes chilling on tatoonie
pure lotus
Thats it
weary olive
he was gonna be in boba 2 but
pure lotus
I couldn’t remember his name lol
pure lotus
Searched “Mando Tim olpyhant”
weary olive
going back to Ahsoka, the trailer seems to indicate a fairly close timeline for the entire season
weary olive
Luke needs to be sent to the abyss
hes probably gonna be in ahsoka
actually now that I think about it, ahsoka should happen after s3 of mando
because it would be nice if it had some sort of effect on the outer star wars universe
crystal cliff
My friend told me and Idk if this is true but he is a star wars nerd that Filoni said in an interview that the Ahsoka show is basically a season of clone wars he wrote
weary olive
such that if it had happened before s3, mando wouldve mentioned it
||is rex alive?||
cant have clone wars without clones though
pure lotus
Ahsoka trailer has the Magistrate, I don’t remember if she lived in the other episode
So that’s the indication of it being earlier
pure lotus
||is rex alive?||
Canonically I think Rex was at Endor
weary olive
Canonically I think Rex was at Endor
yeah ive seen that
||did they deal with accelerated aging in rebels? Or was that just ignored lol||
weary olive
depends 100% on the quality of the show
if its as good as mando s1
itll do bonkers
formal cape
Boba Fett is a 5x more known character than Ashoka, and I don’t think that had a huge following
weary olive
because the show was bad
I personally think that the ahsoka characters are 10 times more engaging than mando
i hope its good
so no?
formal cape
They should be dead by now
pure lotus
I mean, they’re not like, dead due to 20 years of accelerated aging, but they are older
weary olive
end of rebels is how many years before yavin?
pure lotus
Rebels ends right around the start of 4
weary olive
okay so they defintely should be dead in ahsoka
weary olive
what part about boba 2 is ded is hard to understand
vast rover
I’m good with just Pamphlet of Boba
weary olive
ahsoka episode ends with ahsoka holding her blade at the magistrate's head. Unclear if she actually kills her
vast rover
Yeah no the rapid aging process makes no sense
It took how long for the clones get to fighting age? 10 years?
weary olive
It took how long for the clones get to fighting age? 10 years?
they got hired 10 years ago but I think by the time obi wan comes out its 2 years
maybe its just 10 years
fading raptor
Runtime?
earnest smelt
Let’s gooo
pure lotus
Ah
There it is
The ||Ahsoka setup||
||im happy but also really fuckin mad that the entire Mandoverse is now subject to be the “somehow” in “somehow, Palpatine returned||
||grogu, get in the fucking robot||
pure lotus
called it lmao
earnest smelt
Space chess coming to dok ondar’s next year
fading raptor
I just got to space chess. Things feel too calm
pure lotus
||gideons secret base is just. On mandalore. Are you kidding me||
fading raptor
Oh I expected that at the start
pure lotus
Neat episode
Music over the credits not really vibing with how that just ended
I’m also back on not trusting the Armorer
earnest smelt
The end credits are too whimsical
crystal kiln
Bro chose to die
earnest smelt
Oh now it’s hitting
steel stag
that didn't make sense but okay I guess
earnest smelt
Him too big for the hole
pure lotus
were the other survivors people i was supposed to recognize from TCW or no
fading raptor
Definitely Sus of the armorer too
pure lotus
i was thinking glass eye guy from Pirates lol
crystal kiln
because why was there like 2 different shots of her flying back
pure lotus
I was 100% expecting a reveal shot of her leaving atmo and finding the fleet already under attack from Gideon
so when that didn't happen
so Ahsoka now isn't before Mando 3 i guess too
if Thrawn still isn't back yet
fading raptor
And yeah, credit music isn’t fitting for that ending
pure lotus
yup
Survivor Scout played by Charles Baker
in the episode credits
also, in the meeting at the beginning
Brian Gleeson (Domnhall Gleeson's brother)
playing Brendol Hux
oh that whole meeting was a thing from a Legends book, okay
fading raptor
Once Gideon said they couldn’t let Mandalore be taken back I knew that he put his base there.
pure lotus
the red guard are who Rey and Kylo fight in 8 right
okay i'm 1000% on board with Armorer being sussy af again now
the episode is titled "The Spies"
whatshername on Coruscant, and that was all we were shown
carmine flower
Don’t do this to me Armorer. I can’t
fading raptor
earnest smelt
Like I get why but my guy just bolted away when his dad got captured.
fading raptor
Didn’t mean to send that one but it’ll stand
earnest smelt
carmine flower
Boba Fett comes in on the Mythosaur next episode to save everyone
pure lotus
okay i saw a comment that i kinda of like as an idea now
Armorer and Gideon are probably working together
Armorer and Gideon both have Maul-like spikes on their helmets
This may be the Armorer: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rook_Kast
(i had zero memory of this character until this comment but it kind of makes sense)
solar copper
Watching episode now, trying to understand timeline with Rebels. I know Darksaber is in that show, does that show take place before Mandalore’s destruction?
Destruction of Mandalore is post ANH?
solar copper
Great episode, awesome ending.
earnest smelt
Yeah initially you think the great purge is right after episode 3. Like boom order 66 and Great purge but nah
solar copper
I really need to watch Clone Wars and Rebels to get better timeline sense.
solar copper
||im happy but also really fuckin mad that the entire Mandoverse is now subject ...
I think that was the natural nature of this though when they made Imperials the bad guys, I don’t think we’ll see it directly lead to Snoke, but hints at things to come like the cloning.
fading raptor
Great purge probably happens just prior to ANH
tough sigil
Rebels mentions the great purge because ||Sabine created the weapon used in it||
tough sigil
Or maybe that was a different event I’m rereading timelines now
And the mandalorians get attacked so much holy shit
I just know she did ||build a weapon that was used against her people||
Okay that’s what it was
I knew it was something and I’m coming out of a drugged state
shrewd shell
I don't think that's what Gideon wants
Gideon is pretty clear in what he wants is the best of different groups and factions
I don't think he's using cloning for Palpatine, rather for himself
I think he just wants to create an army of force sensitive, beskar wearing, clones
proven hedge
no way for him to know that though
Also just finished that episode and I feel like the massive S3 reveal is definitely armorer being a spy
She intentionally tried to get Bo and Din back to Mandalore so Gideon could kill them and get the Darksaber
Not to mention she was like basically the sole survivor during S1 after the Empire cleared out the sewers
Who knows though, excited for the finale either way. This has honestly been a good season, like two bad fillerish episodes aside
fading raptor
No need to spoiler those things post episode airing. This is a spoiler channel for a reason
mint quest
Too like, major for how that just went
It's the same version they played when Queel died, right?
mint quest
the red guard are who Rey and Kylo fight in 8 right
(sorry for multiple replies)
They look like a middle ground between the ones from Palp's throne room and the ones from Snoke's.
The Imperial Shadow Council is just like real Star Wars fans, sitting around complaining about why Thrawn isn't here yet.
shrewd shell
(sorry for multiple replies)
They look like a middle ground between the ones fro...
much more Snoke's than Palps
they have the same name as Snoke's
palps ones (Royal Guard) have the helmet and big cloak
mint quest
And similar weapons too
shrewd shell
also on their back in the episode they have the dot and lines like FO troopers
mint quest
I guess the helmets are more to do with Gideon's Mandalorian fetish than with Storm Troopers
plain pier
So hux, thrawn and Gideon..what a interesting turn of events 🤔
mint quest
John Favreau has a fleetingly short amount of time left to retcon TROS
foggy tide
BAD BABY
NO SQUEEZIE
plain pier
The one waiting for thrawn I never heard of
crystal cliff
In the span of five seconds they managed to cram in hux, thrawn, and necromancy reeeeee
shrewd shell
The one waiting for thrawn I never heard of
i heard he might be from Thrawn books?
could be wrong
foggy tide
YES. YES. YES. YES.
mint quest
I was wondering if one was Hux, but I'm glad he didn't specifically call him out
shrewd shell
mint quest
I know
mint quest
They did?
crystal cliff
Yes
mint quest
Rip
crystal cliff
I hated that scene.
mint quest
You'll probably hate the rest of them too, let's be honest
crystal cliff
Ok kraken and you’ll probably hate the rest of captain marvels suits lol
mint quest
This is true
crystal cliff
I actually really liked last episode. But I think this Gideon plot is mega weak and I don’t enjoy their attempt to plug every hole
shrewd shell
ok so the Shadow Council is Organization XIII
crystal cliff
I think attempting to relate this to the sequel trilogies is really bad and diminishes the quality of mando
Also Gideon responsible for the pirates lmao evil mustache twirl freal
And tbqh bringing him back undercuts the impact of the Luke scene
plain pier
This whole episode, I like it's connecting pieces but it's so much to take in
pure lotus
I was wondering if one was Hux, but I'm glad he didn't specifically call him out
They didn't call him in in episode but he's named specifically in the credits
mint quest
I think attempting to relate this to the sequel trilogies is really bad and dimi...
They could at least tie it to the goid two
gentle spear
if the survivors aren't spies, I have no idea what the lore of mandalore is, is it cursed and abandoned for decades or not? the whole "let's take a boat and not space ships" trope... just sigh
also just how dumb is bo and the rest of the mandalorians? the planet is in her own system, she didn't see Gideon bringing in supplies to build his secret base next to their sacred forge? how has no one just sent a probe?
mint quest
They didn't call him in in episode but he's named specifically in the credits
That would have been fine. Hux being there makes sense, it's the sort of "Babu Frik my oldest friend" schtick that would mess it up. And apparently they do address him by name
crystal cliff
Where was this pirate ship of mandos when din went swimming
shrewd shell
Just thinking about the new Stormtroopers and their visor is t shaped like the Mandalorian helmet. And I'm wondering if that will go on to inspire (in universe) the t shape on the Sith Troopers in TROS
But iirc that helmet takes a little from phase 2 clones (outside of the universe design), but the clone helmets have Mandalorian design inspiration because of Jango
It's just one big circle of Mandalorian inspired armor
fading raptor
They didn't call him in in episode but he's named specifically in the credits
Could’ve sworn they called him Hux in the episode because I knew that before it was mentioned here and I did not look at the credits.
crystal cliff
This episode sucked
This was honestly maybe my least favorite episode all season
Idk I might dislike the dr Pershing episode more
But this one has more plot implications I don’t care for
carmine flower
gentle spear
I really hope Ashoka is better than this season but I'm starting to wonder
mint quest
It's going to be even more cameos than this
carmine flower
I really thought this was one of the best episodes. It was fun
mint quest
That's going to be enough to sink it for most people here
gentle spear
see I enjoyed the episode last week because it was more monster of the week style, the cameos were fine
and the dialogue was better for what it was trying for
mint quest
Then yes you'll hate Ashoka. It's going to be one continuous story (specifically, it's going to be a new season of Rebels)
foggy tide
love the subtitles saying DARK TROOPER: as though it's not extremely obvious it's gideon under the helmet
steel stag
can’t spoil who it is
foggy tide
so anyway i dont think this show is bad but i also feel like i'm only watching it out of obligation as a star wars fan at this point
crystal cliff
I’m pretty sure I’m out on next season
Unless something miraculous happens
I’m not going to watch an endless show that was supposed to be about a whittle bounty hunter and his protege to explaining palatines clones and the final order
primal flume
I dont understand how their armor is suppose to work
Why can some tank a shot but others can’t despite being shot in the same place
Also I thought Gideon was gonna dehelmet din.
fading raptor
Basically comes down to the purity of the beskar. Din has I think pure beskar from those plates he got back in season 1 but others in the convert likely have diluted armor pieces.
weary olive
Damn that was an ending
weary olive
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gilad_Pellaeon
Waste of Pellaeon character I hate this dude
Isn’t the only connection to the sequels the Hux dude
Gideon does his own thing
crystal cliff
Oats what do you think project necromancy is
crystal cliff
-_-
weary olive
Anyway it’s linked to the sequels as much as mentioning thrawn links it to rebels
And yes that scene was terrible
crystal cliff
I mean I also think inserting Thrawn is a bad idea
crystal cliff
And I don’t like the idea of Thrawn and the imperial remnants being what leads to the first order
weary olive
But im just saying it’s like super small connections
crystal cliff
That’s how it starts
crystal cliff
There’s basically nothing in the ST that hints at Thrawn in the first order is like pretty stupid and isn’t Thrawn supposed to be some big brain
weary olive
Why did they have to do stupid
Yes thrawn is the biggest brain
He only loses because
I actually don’t remember how they get him
Too long ago
I vaguely remember some sort of tactical stuff with Luke
crystal cliff
I think thrawn nerds are going to be disappointed by his portrayal in the shows because they will struggle to show him big brained and normies wont get the dude at all
weary olive
Yknow one of my favorite parts of legends was when the Jedi were like all tactical and actually cool
weary olive
I think thrawn nerds are going to be disappointed by his portrayal in the shows ...
Idk im scared
crystal cliff
I also don’t understand the geography of Mandalore.
weary olive
Lotta fucking massive monsters
I hope the land one fights the sea one
Can we get King Kong and Godzilla pls
weary olive
I also don’t understand the geography of Mandalore.
I have no idea
crystal cliff
yeah but iirc they’re above ground in the purge and TCW. Like, it was sand or whatever and they had some domes, right?
How did the city end up 500 feet underground covered in crystals? First off that much crystal in 30 years idk. Second if it’s to be understood it’s the imperials and their bombing lmao that doesn’t make any sense. There’s no established anything that implies their lasers do thet.
If one moff can crystallize a whole planet what’s the point of a deathstar
Jakku had entire downed imperial ships and has no crystals from “the heat” ie sand turning into glass
It just doesn’t really make sense to me. I think the answer is they didn’t want to CGI it / cheaped out
They put their resources into coruscant so Mandalore ends up being fairly bland
To me it doesn’t feel very thought through, but hey, that’s this show now
weary olive
Glassed is a specific thing
crystal cliff
Are you gonna expound lol
bronze void
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gentle spear
I've got a bingo!
shrewd shell
Maybe they only glassed certain regions of the planet? Like rn they're near the capital city so that's probably where most of the bombing/glassing was
weary olive
Are you gonna expound lol
Sorry started cooking lol,
Legends I believe it’s done by a bunch of super Star destroyers firing their turbo lasers onto a planet
It takes a long time@and makes the planet uninhabitable
gentle spear
I don't know how they didn't just land their ship at the forge. does cartography not exist in star wars? she grew up there
shrewd shell
Also operation cinder shows the empire can fuck with a planets atmosphere iirc
crystal cliff
I was going to tell you that if you start spouting some legends stuff I'm gonna roll my eyes!!!!!!
shrewd shell
Luuuke Skywalker shows up
crystal cliff
I don't know how they didn't just land their ship at the forge. does cartography...
UM THIS ALSO ANNOYED ME? why do the mandos have to do the drop? she had already checked out the surface.
Like bo can land her ship just fine but the rest have to do their little mediocre air drop
gentle spear
they did a boat, are you not entertained?
crystal cliff
I'm not.
gentle spear
so they can show for the 3rd time how the mandos are all idiots and can't work together
over chess
we were literally shown 3 separate times this episode them agreeing to work together then fighting / posturing then working together. they're the dumbest people in the galaxy
crystal cliff
omg! that scene was like middle school level writing
Thank you. They really are.
They'll be even dumber if the armorer is revealed to be a spy.
gentle spear
"let's settle down on this little beach where our kids keep getting taken 
"
crystal cliff
How do I find "glassed" on wookipedia because it's just coming up w/ glasses
is there a better / real term for it
gentle spear
The fusion bombs used in the Purge crystallized the surface of the planet, turning the sand to glass and trinitite.
probably the closest you're gonna get
crystal cliff
Flights of TIE/sa bombers bombed the domed cities on Mandalore, burning the sandy surface[4] into a glass[6] known as trinitite.[7]
but how is this any different from any other attack on the many many sand planets?
gentle spear
I just don't get how din was the first person to go back, bo is chilling in her castle in the same system and is like "hey we don't go to the park at the end of the road because it's cursed, don't ask me how I know"
meanwhile the empire can shoot probe droids all over the galaxy looking for rebel bases
weary olive
I was going to tell you that if you start spouting some legends stuff I'm gonna ...
Lol sorry I don’t read enough canon to see if they’ve mentioned it so far
slate crow
but how is this any different from any other attack on the many many sand planet...
maybe it's a specific type of sand/ground on Mandalore, hence it turning into trinitite?
ie, their sand, mandalorian sand, has a lower temp for turning into trinitite, than our sand turning into glass.
crystal cliff
Idk, I still don't think it would result in like, lord of the rings level dwarve hide outs.
slate crow
it's like, boiling point of water is 212 F
crystal cliff
It's like stepping into a diablo cathedral
slate crow
but boiling point of other things like metal is 500 F
weary olive
The way they’ve handled mandolore is super bad I agree
crystal cliff
Thank you lol
Personally I wasn't really excited for the Mandalore bit in general, but I find the execution to be extremely disappointing.
weary olive
meanwhile the empire can shoot probe droids all over the galaxy looking for rebe...
Probe droids are expensive and probably all still in the hands of the imps
It’s been like a million different things
crystal cliff
Look at the way they approached the planet Cassian is from on Andor
In contrast
Just from an art direction / visual approach
Kenari is also a planet that also had imperial occupation and environmental disaster and is "toxic". And had plunderers! Like obviously it's a different geography originally being a jungle planet, but it still felt incredibly real and like they thought about the design of it for more than two seconds. Just saying.
gentle spear
Probe droids are expensive and probably all still in the hands of the imps
the republic is literally in control of imperial star destroyers and dismantling them for funsies, I think they're plentiful if they're just wandering around courasant somehow
weary olive
Look at the way they approached the planet Cassian is from on Andor
Yeah gilroy nailed it
crystal cliff
the republic is literally in control of imperial star destroyers and dismantling...
lmao how did no one see that honestly?!
weary olive
Fair I hate that episode
Tbh when you say glass, I just imagine sheets of glass
Not crystal city
crystal cliff
ok even if trinitite makes up the surface they were still surface dwellers why is the entire city deep underground
gentle spear
from what I know of the various lore, each bomber can hold like, maybe 8 bombs, so they'd need thousands of these things running shifts for days to even make a dent in the surface if we really wanna consider them bombing the entire planet
they fly approx the same speed as a commercial airliner
weary olive
ok even if trinitite makes up the surface they were still surface dwellers why i...
This would’ve been easy to explain
gentle spear
also again, if the survivors aren't working for Gideon...and they have these boats, it's been 30 years, what have they been doing
so they'd better be the spies or this all makes even less sense
because their sacred forge was a 20 second jog from Gideon's secret base
weary olive
Deep caverns of old besker mines that are the central processing center where the forge is
crystal cliff
This would’ve been easy to explain
wym
weary olive
also again, if the survivors aren't working for Gideon...and they have these boa...
Idk why they didn’t say like “oh the imperials have been landing ships nearby for a while, maybe we should be careful
Everything still could’ve happened because they are stupid
But at least it makes sense
past yew
so they'd better be the spies or this all makes even less sense
But one of them straight up got killed in the firefight
formal cape
Bryce Dallas WHAT?
I genuinely can’t tell if they were going for parody or what that was
past yew
This episode reminded me how big probe droids are
proven hedge
I feel like the size of them is inconsistent honestly
formal cape
I’m sorry I know y’all a week ahead, but I need someone to explain to me what I just saw
Like Romeo and Juliet?
I don’t hate the idea of doing law and order
But then all of the weird royalty and Romeo and Juliet opening
I legit couldn’t tell if they were going for parody or it was just bad
I think parody?
shrewd shell
Maybe its cause I like Blade Runner too much but I think that ||the nano bots with the chain code on them|| might be a reference to Replicants bone marrow sample
And the opening to the most recent episode with imperial lady walking through Coruscant with a jacket like that AND its raining
mint quest
I still like this show just fine, but like everything else Star Wars puts out I hope it dies so I don't have to listen to people talk about it anymore
Enjoying anything even slightly in this fandom is exhausting.
shrewd shell
I still like this show just fine, but like everything else Star Wars puts out I ...
Avatar my new best friend #TeamJim
crystal cliff
Good thing this is an opt-in thread.
proven hedge
I have to admit that I do still enjoy this show quite a bit, especially unique episodes like episode 6. I kind of wish this show would stay separate but it probably still will for the most part, and I honestly don’t mind TROS setup too much as long as there’s still completely separate arcs
past yew
I wonder how the cancellation of new republic rangers played into the production of this and the timeline in general
weary olive
I think my 2 biggest issues with this season are the excessive amounts of dialogue and going moff Gideon electric boogaloo part 2 as the villain
slow fiber
https://tenor.com/view/grogu-ig-11-ig-12-yes-no-gif-2663747194334548482
I can't wait to overuse this gif
crystal cliff
Remember when the biggest complaint was wondering how the bounty hunter tracking tags worked lol
weary olive
Anyway im vibing with the big monsters and I hope we get them in the finale
Mythosaur vs that land dude with the hammer tail
crystal cliff
Twitter
fading raptor
gentle spear
wait wait wait, if the armorer is the spy, and she's working for gideon, why are the mandalorian sect even alive. if they're a big enough threat that you need a spy running their org, why not just kill them all. it's not like they didn't know where bo was hanging out either. is gideon just a bond villain?
pure lotus
i mean, it does seem like Gideon has a flair for the dramatic
so bond villain isn't entirely wrong
shrewd shell
maybe he doesnt want to kill them, but use them?
cause he didnt kill Din right then and there
pure lotus
He thinks Din is the current owner of the Darksaber
and he's a wannabe mando
he wants to win it back in combat probably
gentle spear
didn't he remind Bo that she has the darksaber though?
primal flume
having your spy be the leader of a religious cult that has a bunch of crazy rules and distrusts outsiders doesnt exactly make them a big threat.
and its good to have spies everywhere
weary olive
he wants to win it back in combat probably
lmao if this was it id love it actually
pikachu when he realizes mando doesnt have it
fading raptor
He literally saw Bo with it in her hands
pure lotus
Y'know, I did forget that already.
fading raptor
I finding it interesting thinking that Gideon was a Mandalorian that was apart of death watch and followed Maul (horns on his helmet) and just switched sides to the empire which some did.
pure lotus
I finding it interesting thinking that Gideon was a Mandalorian that was apart o...
Gideon being part of the Shadow Collective is definitely interesting
and also goes back to the idea of the Armorer being Rook Kast
pure lotus
the whole rook kast thing gets even more interesting when you realize that that character didn't exist until after Mando had already started
weary olive
i personally dont think its super interesting for the armorer to be the spy tbh
shrewd shell
the whole rook kast thing gets even more interesting when you realize that that ...
shes in Son of Dathomir comic
shrewd shell
when disney bought them
pure lotus
ah
past yew
I heard a theory that since Jon Favreau relates a lot of the episodes to old jewish stories, the spies title may be referring to the twelve spies where they scout out the land of canaan? And that there aren't any spies as in james bond or mission impossible or something. I'm not jewish so i can be completely off, and i did not come up with the theory, but thought it might mean something
Sorry if that sounds like word salad lol, I'm at work
weary olive
I’m guessing the beskar in the shuttle is because Gideon mined beskar
carmine flower
I’ll have to watch again
burnt steppe
and comms don’t work through the atmosphere
primal flume
shoot a flare?
primal flume
a really big flare
pure lotus
they picked up some of the really nice fireworks from Jack Black and Lizzo at EPCOT
shrewd shell
a really big flare
Beskar flare gun that shoots beskar flares
carmine flower
I'm still going with the Armorer is a red herring
steel stag
axe also could be a spy as well
crystal cliff
i think they're all spies
solar copper
I don’t get the Armorer is a spy vibes. The people they met on Mandalore being spies I can totally see though
plain pier
Think it was just her with the armor.and her leaving immediately.
Plot twist.. its someone we will never suspect
bronze void
I mean, you have survivors on Mandalore, yet they never noticed the Empire building this giant ass facility right underneath their noses?
Some awareness.
weary olive
They did say whoever went underground never returned
However to actually build that facility. They would’ve had ships shuttling back and forth
So to not notice that is questionable
fading raptor
While we speculate now, we’ll hopefully get answers next week
weary olive
I am not optimistic lol
pure lotus
I think axe is the red herring
It’s way too obvious to do “character you barely know suddenly is back and very relevant again” as a traitor archetype
Also if the ambush spot was the ruins of the great forge
Wasn’t there where Din was originally to find the waters
bronze void
Mythosaur will probably make a cameo, too. It'll be some glorious fight.
crystal cliff
grogu is gonna mindmeld with the mythosaur and save the day
bronze void
Bo's going to ride the mythosaur like Boba Fett riding a rancor.
gentle spear
bronze void
✨ F ✨ I ✨ N ✨ A ✨ L ✨ E ✨
shrewd shell
Also it wouldnt be a Mando season 3 episode without a giant monster showing up
past yew
The only person that mando writing can lend to being a spy is axe imo. I think the survivors were just a means to quickly get to the forge
But then again the mando fleet was in atmosphere so axe could reach them if jetpack fuel isn't taken into account
gentle spear
The only person that mando writing can lend to being a spy is axe imo. I think t...
Bo should know where the forge is. it's a planet, they have space ships. maps exist of a place 30 years ago. they should just have landed at the forge
the whole season feels like a paint by number of "okay we wanna explain how the first order rises". most actions feel forced into telling that start and end rather than telling the story they'd been telling with the show. it's why star wars needs to move the hell away from this era.
Andor at least does this right so far
past yew
Agreed
weary olive
the whole season feels like a paint by number of "okay we wanna explain how the ...
I disagree with this because we’ve seen none of this force/beskar/whatever moff is doing in the sequels
His robot stormtroopers don’t make it in
Either
past yew
Weren't there snokes in the tanks when gideon was walking down the hallway to the zoom meeting
solar copper
It’s setting the stage for First Order, I agree but less directly than I think people are thinking
gentle spear
they'll definitely continue it in Ashoka
solar copper
I think the end result of this is that the Mando Verse movie will show Thrawn/Shadow Council’s defeat, which is what allows Snoke to take over.
weary olive
I believe before mando the canon was that snoke was a failed palpatine clone?
past yew
I thought the shadow council was trying to make snoke
weary olive
Yeah the necromancy project is palpatine
past yew
Yeah that wraps around back to tree farmers point about the sequels which is it has to deal with muddy world building
weary olive
It getting one mention in 1 scene is hardly “explaining how the first order rises”
gentle spear
uh, the whole zoom meeting was about how the first order rises. thrawn showing up with the fleet is too
as is the Intel/comms officer on courasant and showing the republic just flailing about in extreme incompetent fashion
and project necromancer references to subvert expectations and show how JJs mystery box got started
heck, they showed hux's father, that's a direct tie to the first order
mint quest
the whole season feels like a paint by number of "okay we wanna explain how the ...
Reset the counter
shrewd shell
We don't know project necromancy is Palpatine
Cause that should already be underway in secret known only to the sith in the Final Orde on exogol
Project Necromancy could be the formation of the first order and the necromancy of the empire, hence why Hux is in charge
tough sigil
Isn’t Thrawn’s whole thing he’s cold and calculating but not actually like empire level evil?
Like he was doing it for his peoples protection?
shrewd shell
I don't think Project Necromancy is Palpatine/Final Order because General Hux doesn't know about it and you think his dad would tell him
tough sigil
(This is what I read people complaining about on twitter so grain of salt)
past yew
I don't think Project Necromancy is Palpatine/Final Order because General Hux do...
No babies allowed on the shadow council
crystal cliff
I hope for a future council of all necro baby clones
pure lotus
i mean, Project Necromancer is so on the nose that it can't be anything but Palpatine
weary olive
Isn’t Thrawn’s whole thing he’s cold and calculating but not actually like empir...
Correct
Okay project necro is snoke sure
weary olive
uh, the whole zoom meeting was about how the first order rises. thrawn showing u...
Idk I would need to see like actual organized central imperial and snoke and plans for starkiller base for it to be explaining how the first order rises
It’s currently just showing what happens after episode 6
For me there’s a distinct difference
fading raptor
I would say one aspect that may hinder with just flying to the forge is the complete lack of landmarks because the surface was glassed. Also no idea of where an underground entrance is hidden.
That’s a stretch though. Just sayin
slow fiber
I know everyone else read the production notes where they said this whole series was written to secretly retcon everything, but I think it could also be possible they don't have to do that.
crystal cliff
I know everyone else read the production notes where they said this whole series...
How could you say something so controversial
slow fiber
"Necromancer" sounds on the nose for emperor clones, but I'd also venture to guess that the emperor clone project would include everything Gideon was doing, openly.
weary olive
I completely forgot the palpatine nonsense was secret lol
slow fiber
Yeah that's what made me wonder why they were openly discussing it. Makes me lean toward it being something else. But maybe they're all in on it and we're seeing the smaller secret group.
crystal cliff
I don't think Project Necromancy is Palpatine/Final Order because General Hux do...
ok not to be a nerd but i read the phasma book and I think hux and hux hate each other. like, p sure that's canon and his father was deeply abusive.
So it wouldn't super surprising for him not to know. Plus something they absolutely do establish in the books is that they basically all are backstabbers and keep shit to themselves.
fading raptor
Sounds about right for a secret group within a power hungry empire trying to claw its way back in secret
proven hedge
the whole season feels like a paint by number of "okay we wanna explain how the ...
For me anyways, I think the "rise of the empire" post-prequel era to ANH is probably the best time period
i just hope that this season is when Kathleen Kennedy gets all the first order setup out of her system and we only see like 1 or 2 episodes focusing upon it next season.
If we can have a season 1 or 2 repeat that stays mostly separate from the rest of the universe then S4 could be great
past yew
What we should learn from all the mando discourse from today
proven hedge
LOL
fading raptor
Well they had a lot of mouths to feed
slow fiber
What we should learn from all the mando discourse from today
I learned nothing then.
weary olive
If we can have a season 1 or 2 repeat that stays mostly separate from the rest o...
Unfortunately that ship has sailed
weary olive
https://twitter.com/donhisiewen/status/1646494855286378496
Oh Lolol that’s what I was thinking when I was watching
burnt steppe
weary olive
I love them
carmine flower
No Squeezie
proven hedge
the best part of this season ngl
proven hedge
Unfortunately that ship has sailed
still possible to wrap up the first order setup crap early next season and move on
weary olive
Every season moves them closer to the first order
I don’t see how it’ll get less relevant going forward
earnest smelt
All roads lead to Exegol
gentle spear
Sith Wayfinder required. Batteries not included. Ask your doctor if finding Sith Wayfinder by using a knife somehow is right for you.
Sith Wayfinder, for when you need a mcguffin. If you can't afford Sith Wayfinder, JJ Abhrams may be able to help.
proven hedge
I don’t see how it’ll get less relevant going forward
suppose I’m just an optimist lol. I just need something decent that will stick around
first order stuff could be a spin-off, The Mandalorian should be about mandalorians
mint quest
Thrawn seems to be the next bad guy on deck, and he isn't part of the First Order or the Final Order. So assuming Gideon gets offed next episode I think we're safe for a little while.
We'll get a ton of EU Glup Shittos instead of Chris Terrio ones
proven hedge
I’d take Thrawn over first order shit any day so
weary olive
You mean filoni glup shittos
plain pier
Project necromancer 5 years after Project cinder..empire definitely had some safe fails for palpatine here
I feel next week might be more pieces of the Canon timeline coming into place.
crystal cliff
Lmao. I got on my call for work and my coworker was like:
"Are you watching Mando?"
"Yeah, but I'm not feeling it."
"ME EITHER."
[ both of us continue to talk about our grievances]
Another coworker joins the call. Asks us what we're talking about - we say Mando. She goes,
"Oh yeah it really fell off. I thought they really nailed it, finally, with the show, but it's bad now. And that other... What's that other one, the side show, that was AWFUL." She was talking about Boba.
Then they asked if Andor was good and I said yes and begged them to watch it.
crystal cliff
Call me a normie 
crystal cliff
Haha I mean because I'm not enjoying it
Marvel/Star Wars both need normies to survive at the scale people want them to.
crystal cliff
This why I think leaning into the connective tissue of TCW is a mistake, reeee read my manifesto at 11.
weary olive
Also agree
crystal cliff
I mean they could have easily put most of this shit into a different show is my main gripe
weary olive
Rangers of the republic would’ve been a good show for this imo
Can show the disfunction of the new republic between the remaining imperial influence and their attempts to take back the galaxy
crystal kiln
I also think the major focus on mandalorians was a mistake
crystal kiln
Most casuals don’t really care about the deep lore of them, they just like the armor
crystal cliff
I also think the major focus on mandalorians was a mistake
I agree hardcore but I feel like I can only be so controversial in my takes
crystal kiln
I mean one issue is def that so much was set up in clone wars that they just can’t retell or properly show
weary olive
I think it’s possible to make a super engaging story about a nomadic culture that has differing factions
They needed to do flashbacks to the clone wars era imo
crystal cliff
I mean I feel like Mandalorians have always been for the most hardcore of star wars fans. Like when I was 15 and people I knew online were making their armor out of trash cans to cosplay.
weary olive
Death watch, satine, “peaceful” mandalore
crystal kiln
They needed to do flashbacks to the clone wars era imo
Yeah I agree with that
weary olive
Like if you can’t do that they don’t make the show about them
crystal cliff
tbh this is basically why I think TCW cartoon show should have been decanonized
weary olive
Don’t really disagree
crystal cliff
It's too much for people to want to wade through and they clearly don't want to do flashbacks
crystal cliff
it's a cartoon network show written for children
crystal cliff
And to Bagel's point, it makes the discourse insufferable. Because people will handwave bad writing, poorly shot action scenes, etc because MUH TCW REFERENCES. And then people who haven't watched 133 episodes of that show are confused / not engaged because these things mean nothing to them.
weary olive
EU has a clone marrying a Jedi and they have a kid
crystal kiln
I think ahsoka will be a big wake up call for lucasfilm
weary olive
Yeah discourse is ugly
crystal cliff
Like it's not really good writing if you need an encyclopedia to understand
weary olive
I think ahsoka looks good
crystal kiln
I do too
crystal cliff
I mean I think all their trailers look good
crystal kiln
But I think the plot hook will be a difficult sell when no one knows these characters
weary olive
If they start to go into the weeds of why/how it’ll be ugly
crystal cliff
But tbh learning it's just like, a season of rebels or whatever Filoni didn't get to make, I have my doubts on execution.
weary olive
Fair
If they just keep it simple like okay you have a team with history and then you have villains both new and old
It can be good
You don’t need much tbh
crystal kiln
I like that there’s some new characters at least
crystal cliff
Sure, I do think there's a world where they could have introduced these characters in a way that would have been good. But they don't have a strong enough writer's room for that, if I'm being honest.
weary olive
Sure, I do think there's a world where they could have introduced these characte...
Agreed
crystal cliff
The reason why Favreau was able to make s1 be so successful was because it was basically a rip off (lovingly) of old westerns and episodic shows. It didn't require to be like, charles dickens.
weary olive
My opinion is just that the concept itself isn’t doomed
crystal kiln
Favreau shouldn’t be the main writer
crystal cliff
I want to like Ahsoka because I'm excited for the evil people
crystal kiln
I want to like Ahsoka because I'm excited for the evil people
same lmao
weary olive
Those villains sucked
crystal kiln
the new sith look great
crystal cliff
They do look great
crystal kiln
And supposedly there’s gonna be like ||zombie stormtroopers||?
Sounds more interesting than anything mando has done this season tbh
crystal cliff
Oooh
I'm intrigued but I mean idk Kenobi looked good from trailers and then was a major letdown
crystal kiln
yeah, I still think the main plot of kenobi is genuinely one of the dumbest things they’ve done
Like there’s way to get kenobi off world that aren’t just repeating story beats from mando
weary olive
I actually think the general story beats from kenobi are good
Mostly
But the individual decision making by every party in that show is actually on a 8 year old level
crystal kiln
Idk. I think them fumbling reva’s arc that hard really brought down the show
crystal cliff
Lol didn’t you bring the zombie stormtroopers up like 3 days ago
YES
weary olive
10/10
weary olive
Idk. I think them fumbling reva’s arc that hard really brought down the show
Her motivation was bad
8 year old
Level
That’s my main point
“Anakin killed my friends so I want to kill the person that trained anakin”
crystal kiln
I think her trying to get revenge on Vader by infiltrating the inquisitors but losing herself to the dark side in the process is cool, but it’s just everything surrounding it that sucks
crystal cliff
I liked Reva and I don't want to encourage the racist/sexist discourse that occurred with her (I'm not saying y'all are, just mean the internet) but I thought she was poorly directed. Like the actress was fine, but the writing wasn't great and they weren't giving her great direction so the performance wasn't what it should have been.
The parkour jumping over building scenes for Leia remains one of my least favorite things in the franchise.
weary olive
I liked Reva and I don't want to encourage the racist/sexist discourse that occu...
100000%
I will never watch Kenobi again
crystal cliff
Me either
crystal cliff
And I would never recommend it to someone, honestly
crystal kiln
Like how do you even do that
weary olive
Final duel obi wan v vader or a different one
crystal kiln
Final duel
weary olive
I do respect that Hayden actually got a chance to be vader