monster-discussion

[pseudo jolt]

@winter dust it’s still here

There’s a week left ish

And no, you advance to the second floor

[winter dust]

I know, but I've only got one ranked water monster

[pseudo jolt]

Which gives you 60 thalassa cells

[winter dust]

And no orbs

So why bother.

I'm just doing ftp.

[pseudo jolt]

And thalassa comes the first week of every month

[winter dust]

Cool. So next month when she comes, it starts on the ground floor? In 2 more months I'll def be able to end up w/ 120 cels?

[pseudo jolt]

Nop

You do the one that requires r1

[winter dust]

Ah, my progress is saved?

[pseudo jolt]

Yes

[winter dust]

Okay, thanks. So I just ignore until I get 3 water monsters r1.

[pseudo jolt]

Sure

[little berry]

You can just use epics or rare, be sure tk only buy orbs when they're on discount

[winter dust]

Gotcha. I'm not paying for them at all. I just happened to have enough to clear the dungeon, and just started getting my monsters to l100.

[little berry]

Tbh if you're not buying them and getting very little at a time you should have gotten Ragnarok, Thalassa is the best warmaster but that isn't until R4

[winter dust]

Gotcha. Well, I won't waste any more then. I've got 3 l-100 water monsters though (iMigbo, Ursus, Hookuai). Not really close on other elements (1 have 2 thunder, 2 magic, 1 of everything else)

[little berry]

Epics or rares can do the trick as well, I'd still invest in warmasters because they're top tier monsters whether you want to start now or leave it for later is up to you

[winter dust]

I'll keep in in mind, thanks! We'll see how fast the orbs come.

[little berry]

Anytime

[little berry]

For you maybe but we have different time zones so your message is definitely not the first

[mighty urchin]

Guys what is the warmaster this month?

[little berry]

Rag

[west burrow]

whens the new pass most likely releasing

[rose heart]

@west burrow I assume around January for that month's Warmaster

[little berry]

[west burrow]

.-.

[copper elbow]

when is rag dungeon releasing?

[pseudo jolt]

@copper elbow when the pass comes out

Which is in like 4 hours and 30 minutes ish

[copper elbow]

ok thanks

[limber notch]

Is Rag third floor possible with just Mop and Urias BG?

[drowsy stream]

@limber notch I don't think so
last node is kinda hard with tortures blocked
Neo can do awesome

[limber notch]

I don’t have Neo

[drowsy stream]

Any other monster you have? You can try but it's quite te hard
Eeltron may work good as well

[limber notch]

I don’t even have a third monster which is probably the biggest issue

I was hoping Mop could power through the dungeon. Guess rank 4 isn’t enough.

[drowsy stream]

Oh Rank 4? What runes does he have? Also what rank is Uria's BG? And can you get Uria's pet at R2 by then cuz it has quite a lot of pure damage without tortures

[limber notch]

He has level 7 runes

Urias BG is only rank 2

Currently has level 3 runes but I will change them

[drowsy stream]

You can definitely try but IDK if it's possible
Also you'll need RNG on your side for not getting random Mega controls as SC

[limber notch]

I could also just spam retrys Mop until his ultimate skill but that’s unreliable

[weak flicker]

Amazing @frosty dove

[limber notch]

Nice one Rad

[little berry]

Ok

[jagged lake]

Oh no

[little berry]

What

[proper oriole]

i get it sherezar 😄

[unkempt coral]

Nice

[obtuse sequoia]

So when it says nemesis days will appear soon does it mean like in a few days, weeks? Or what?

[pseudo jolt]

@obtuse sequoia I think tomorrow

[obtuse sequoia]

Did that pop up also appear for you? I thought it was a bug because when i opened my other account it didn't pop up.

[pseudo jolt]

Yep

[rain roost]

I how much do I need for a rank 1 ragnorak

[pseudo jolt]

2400 orbs

[urban bay]

I'm stuck at a node in warmaster gortak dungeon, I cannot defeat it, any ideas how I can beat it

[scenic heart]

Are the orb discounts random or do they follow a schedule?

[high abyss]

@urban bay which node

random

twice daily

usually occur when you log in

theres like a 2 hour period

[sleek estuary]

I'm stuck at a node in sherezar dungeon where traits are removed and the enemy is faster

Any ideas on how to beat it?

[meager gate]

Be faster

[sleek estuary]

I did

Now I'm happy🥳

[little berry]

Is he good

[inland trail]

Yes

[little berry]

Ok ty

[strong wagon]

No problem

Always ready to help

[frigid smelt]

shouldve just said problem

[urban bay]

Stuck on this

[high abyss]

throw 2 speed on koralle

and use megataunt move

then let burotgor do the heavy work

or just get koralle to go first so he can megataunt before they attack

[unreal hearth]

Can I use elemental cells to craft a nemesis monster or do you need 100 cells?

[high abyss]

u need 80 minimum

[little berry]

Elemental can be used i think

Which warthak is the best?

[unkempt coral]

Any good

[unreal hearth]

Thanks I’ll give it a crack. No idea I’ve nearly got enough of the Mountainsplitter guy don’t know if he is any good

[little berry]

He is good

I just got him from the nemesis chest

[high abyss]

yes destroyer

amazing as a light attacker

arguably the best

[little berry]

U can test her moves there is an option now

[quartz slate]

Witch is the best chest of Némésis ?

[unkempt coral]

So should I try ranking?

[little berry]

The first I think

[high abyss]

best chest is 1

if u dont have wyrmlad

save the cells for him

[slow imp]

@high abyss arguably best light attacker? Lol

[high abyss]

yep

[urban bay]

@high abyss thx

[high abyss]

draghar exists and kronxian guard and whatever

[high abyss]

but what llum has is the elemental advantage

and that is a pain against light monsters

[slow imp]

There is wyrmlad, Patrion, Tijen

[unkempt coral]

Tijen?

[high abyss]

wyrm works better as a speed/ts holder

[unkempt coral]

:wowie:

[high abyss]

patrion fell off

[little berry]

Patrion and Tijen are bad

[unkempt coral]

Imagine thinking tijen is good

:wowie2:

[slow imp]

Bruh

She is

[little berry]

No

[unkempt coral]

I used patrion for Elvira kek

[high abyss]

tijen has anticipation but shes beat out in her books

[slow imp]

I'm not saying best light attacker

[little berry]

Look at her damage max lvl stat

[high abyss]

elemental advantage + support moves and bulwark

force to be reckoned with

not to mention essence relic

[slow imp]

Eh, still Wyrm and Dragh better than her

[little berry]

That's true

[high abyss]

wyrm as an attacker is a big nono

[unkempt coral]

At low ranks yes

[slow imp]

Wdym big nono

[little berry]

Unranked he is

[slow imp]

I see him always as an attacker

[high abyss]

unranked yeah

[unkempt coral]

You don’t want to keep him unranked though

:pepega:

[slow imp]

Only 3 timed I've seen him with ts

[high abyss]

rank him and str runes fall off

he isnt a ts holder

ranked he runs full speed or 2 speed 1 ts / 1 speed 2 ts

[slow imp]

Well, I'm not on l3+ so I might be wrong

[unkempt coral]

Bruh

You don’t have to be l3 to know that

:wowie2:

[slow imp]

I don't see him with that rune setup where I am so

[high abyss]

its cuz they dont have the rez move

[unkempt coral]

Mhm

[high abyss]

that rez move is the most annoying thing on the planet

[unkempt coral]

Unless you have pierce

[high abyss]

you can only counter it with double per or pierce

[unkempt coral]

I like how wyrm counters himself

It’s funny

[wide magnet]

ok

[little berry]

Is this nemesis good?

I was hoping for ruby but oh well

[velvet spindle]

She is bad

[fast hazel]

whats about the discharger dude ?

[frigid smelt]

faraday the discharger is good

[fast hazel]

thats nice just got him ^^

[little berry]

I got 2 of them wth

My luck it’s bad

[frigid smelt]

bruh

[velvet spindle]

You should have bought the cells instead

[thorn meadow]

Nemesis Dungeons not show in my game

Anyone have same problem

[native wasp]

Grand duels still exist?

I haven't seen them

[thorn meadow]

Same problem

[ember plume]

Im pretty sure the dungeon starts a day after

[little berry]

Ik I should of bought cells then I kinda went back and bought more souls and bought talos cells bec I already had 50 of him in the first place

[broken venture]

i just got sammy plague carrier lmao

iS hE gOoD?

[little berry]

I got nadiel the pyromancer

[broken venture]

lmao rip

[green citrus]

Dang

[waxen crow]

Is one of the chests better then the other in the shop? I finally have enough souls to open one, but I'd rather spend it on cells for a good mon vs running a high risk of getting a less than ideal mon

[spice knoll]

anyone got a good race team going for rank 1+ in race?

[quartz slate]

Is je good ?

[little berry]

Very

[quartz slate]

Oh yessss, thanks

[charred flax]

How did you got so much nemesis token thingies? @quartz slate

[quartz slate]

Before with the grands duels, and I reach 100 with the pass @charred flax

[eternal marlin]

Is there Nemesis survival this week?

[unkempt coral]

Yes

[high abyss]

havent seen anyone pull a sunbringer so heres one

[meager gate]

Noice

[little berry]

Sunbringer is the best warthak version, but players prefer the mountain splitter because of element advantage

Either faraday the obscure

[meager gate]

Sunbringer is not the best

[little berry]

The stats said it

Compare between the stats of sun bringer and mountain splitter

Stats nop matter much :Beenut:

[high abyss]

stats barely do anything if you look at the elemental advantage lol

minimal stat increase doesnt do more damage than a 50% damage bonus

[wide magnet]

^

[thorn meadow]

Which Dark nemesis Best

[high abyss]

plague carrier

[fast hazel]

how much orbs do u need (with legends pass) to obtain enought cells for ragnarok ?

[high abyss]

1840

[fast hazel]

thx

[rain roost]

Are nemesis chest worth it

[broken venture]

2 and 1 are worth for ruby and sammy

if ur lucky ofc

i got sammy from 2 so...

i guess im not impartial

[high abyss]

1 has the best worth

[broken venture]

is it tho?

there are so many base forms there

[meager gate]

1 has the best ratio of good to bad ones

[dapper hinge]

What are the disadvantages on the nsd nodes? (Like, the Lucifire one, the Hydratila one, etc)

The ones applied at the beginning of the battle

[still lion]

Does the unlock give you unlimited attempts?

[loud rock]

Any chance I can beat the first five nodes of nemesis dungeon with only a r1 mountainsplitter that has level 7,6 and 5 runes

[limpid spear]

no, you won't even beat the first node

[little berry]

@loud rock no u won’t even beat the first one

[loud rock]

😦

[pseudo jolt]

@loud rock you need a whole team of nemesis

[loud rock]

I’ve almost beaten the first node

I just need a bit of luck

Or an ultimate

[opaque void]

Any way I can beat this?

[pseudo jolt]

Maybe

[opaque void]

I've tried kept failing, gortak is messing me up

[little berry]

What other earth monsters u have?

[pseudo jolt]

I beat it with warthak, the warrior, and koralle

[opaque void]

Nothing good really Earth is my weakest element,

[little berry]

Don’t use atum’s bodyguard he is pretty weak

Try to use someone who can use shields

I forgot about atum srry but don’t use atum’s bodyguard

[opaque void]

These are all my earth monsters 😅

[little berry]

Use basthet

For mega shield

[opaque void]

Alright I'll try it out

So basthet, warthak and atum?

[little berry]

Are video master chest coming back out?

[west burrow]

Prob

[rain roost]

Oof I am crafting another warthak

[little berry]

O

Nice

[rain roost]

Will it be a good team for nemesis survival dungeon

[little berry]

Umm warthak will be lucifire u can do without

[rain roost]

I only have Lucifer and 2 warthak mountain spliter

[little berry]

Oh u just have those 2

[rain roost]

Yup

[little berry]

Uhh then no it’s not good for the nsd

[rain roost]

I think am going to oof the dungeon

But I hope at least get the 200 orbs

[little berry]

good luck

[rain roost]

And was there already a eilte days

[little berry]

Well gl

[spiral marten]

Hey guys any suggestions on which nature monsters to use for floor 1 wm ragnarok?

[little berry]

Good nature monsters

:Beenut:

[ember plume]

First nem dungeon complete! The souls were worth it

Got a relic i had tho

[serene meteor]

wack

[candid oasis]

what are warmaster dungeons discounts and when they aome?

please let me know,cuz i am on ragnarok dungeonn

[frigid smelt]

heroic dungeon discounts?

[candid oasis]

yes

[frigid smelt]

u need legends pass for that

[candid oasis]

😞

[frigid smelt]

yeah...

[candid oasis]

battle condition update please for nemesis survival dungeon

[ember plume]

@candid oasis its the same tho

just now no revives

Credits yami

[frigid smelt]

@ember plume i thought he meant he wants an update for the battle conditions

lol

[ember plume]

wait why would he want that

[frigid smelt]

idk

[ember plume]

😒 ok then

[solemn cargo]

my first nemesis got him yestreday

[ember plume]

😦

[wide magnet]

I agree ^

[slow imp]

Icebringer oof

[solemn cargo]

im still gonna try the nsd. Will let you know how that turned out

[little berry]

I think we got a pretty good idea of how it'll go...

[solemn cargo]

ill get one shot by a max taiga trap

probably

or my game will crash

and ill die like that

[little berry]

Is he good

Is she good

[west burrow]

I think both are really good

[little berry]

Yup xiron is really good

[meager gate]

They're both good for NSD

[little berry]

what would you guys say is the best nemesis chest to open?

1 2 or 3?

[meager gate]

1,best odds for a good nemesis

[little berry]

The first one

[tacit pike]

I see ruby

Incredibly jealously

Faradays good too

@solemn cargo oof. hydratila is the worst nemesis in my opinion

[broken venture]

bruh i got sammy plague carrier out of his chests

now i have 2 nemesis

[pseudo jolt]

Nice

[inland trail]

Automaton worst nemesis TBH

[little berry]

Is she good?

Decent

I really wanted Samuel

Automaton big meme

[solemn cargo]

Lum aint that bad but ruby and fara are op

[magic thicket]

@ember plume BruH I need darmith banner

[fiery skiff]

This the preferred skill set for r2

?

[meager gate]

Yes,you can always change it when needed tho

[sleek estuary]

Should I put r0 sherezar as main deny or team speed holder?

[little berry]

Ts holder

He can’t deny unranked

[sleek estuary]

OK thanks

[limber notch]

What’s a good thunder rare for rag dungeon?

[little berry]

Nanukk I guess

[limber notch]

I doubt I can best this node

[wide magnet]

you maybe need better runes

[frozen crane]

use relics

cuz ur literally not using any

they help a ton

[upper cloak]

team speed on urias bg

[sleek estuary]

Lol use rhodent

He's like voltaik

[wide magnet]

but a rat

[frigid smelt]

forsaken now

[ember plume]

Should include nemesis

[frigid smelt]

elites

[meager gate]

So they acknowledged Forsakens exist.

It should just be Exclusive monsters

[frigid smelt]

tijen

[fiery skiff]

Exclusive monsters makes sense

[meager gate]

O it's because Mari wants us to discuss Forsakens here

[frigid smelt]

oui

[fiery skiff]

Hmmm they the most p2w atm

[ember plume]

This monster type is an insult to the channel

[frigid smelt]

le monky

[meager gate]

Indeed.

[fiery skiff]

I don't even use money for them. I just r1 and move on

[wide magnet]

^

[serene meteor]

this is now forsaken-wm instead of nemesis-wm

wowee

[little berry]

Cause nemesis used to be the old forsakens

P2w and op

[frigid smelt]

so its still the same

[wide python]

no longer nemesis channel

[meager gate]

Wait,we can't discuss nemesis here anymore?

[wide python]

WM and Forsaken share the same rank up mechanism I could ad a Nemesis VIP Elite channel but I think they can be discussed in #monster-discussion

[meager gate]

This channel should be exlclusive monsters

But none of my business.

[wide python]

no because exclusivity changes

[frigid smelt]

o

yeah i guess

because vips used to be rare monsters now they are in MOPs

[wide python]

and its all about perspective in starters VIPs and Nemesis maybe still are exclusive and end game players its not

[frigid smelt]

endgame

aveng-

[tawny oxide]

warmaster are the only exclusive monsters

[frigid smelt]

forsakens are just yeah

[tawny oxide]

only way of getting wm's is thru their dungeons

[fiery skiff]

Same for nemesis at 1 point

[thorn solar]

With wm, we have time and another chance to rank up.
With forsaken, it's about time and money.

Wm - now or later. Forsaken - now or never. 😂

[inland trail]

Just name this channel #exclusives
Forsaken really have no business with the others, since the other exclusive brands actually have f2p rankable and good moneters

[serene meteor]

^agree

[celest light]

Which forsaken monster is a must have?

[little berry]

none they all suck

[high abyss]

nisael, pump, santerion

and wildbird probs

the others you can do without

[celest light]

Thank @high abyss

Pump is forsaken?

[meager gate]

He's an exlclusive Pumpkin

[little berry]

I mean he can be considered a forsaken

[wide python]

well i dont

agree @inland trail

[meager gate]

He is an "Exclusive Halloween Monster" in an "one-off event"

[wide python]

as stated exclusiveness is something that is according to someones perspective in game

for a beginner a VIP can still be considered exclusive for many Nemesis are still exclusive

for endgame players they both are not

[inland trail]

They're all excluisve because they're obtained (at high ranks) with money (for the most part)
All the brands from VIP to forsaken are regarded as excluisve brands
No need to try and shove the forsakens down our throats even more than SP is already doing

And @celest light pump is really the only "must have" game changer
Besides him only nisael is good

[little berry]

But VIP and Nemesis are considered exclusives so lol what

The only way u could get them was with money that made them exclusive and there still relatively hard to get like I’ve been playing this game every since the vips came out and I still don’t have them all or all of the nemesis if u ask me id still consider them exclusives still

Plus the fact that u can’t request cells for them makes them exclusive from the rest of the monsters

[frozen crane]

wildbird if u wanna tryhard in pvp

pumpseed otherwise but i highly doubt he's coming back

at least not until next year

[little berry]

Wildbird doesn't do well on defense and for offense you have cheaper alternatives

@little berry stop or else all those 130 Wildbird pros gonna flock in here 😂

Oh god

No

[rain roost]

I need 960 more orbs for ragnorak floor 3

[little berry]

Lol whoops, but hey you ended L2? Congrats mate I didn't even know 💪

Maybe I'll attempt it as well when I have gems and there's no race going on

[high abyss]

if you say wildbird one more time the one’s whos name we shall not utter will return

[little berry]

w i l d b i r d

Oh nop

[high abyss]

azym has entered the chat

[little berry]

Gross

[fickle acorn]

[high abyss]

lol

[wide python]

@inland trail for your information i dislike forsaken

[little berry]

Then why do u constantly try and defend them

[wide python]

Were do i defend forsaken

Please show me

@little berry

[little berry]

Mmmmmmmmmm like that time we had a 20 min argument about forsakens and the time u deleted my feedback because I said no one likes the forsaken

[wide python]

Show me

[little berry]

It’s in are dms

[wide python]

I reread its has nothing to do with me defending forsaken

[little berry]

Then u obviously didn’t read it or read all of it

[wide python]

Its about the offer that was different for different players

[little berry]

Lol it was before that

[wide python]

Please dont say nobody asked for forsaken
Nobody asked for any monster, try to talk for what you want

Copy pasting

[little berry]

Ok

[wide python]

Im not happy with forsaken im not happy with lots of things but try to keep the feedback personal and if you want to speak for others try to say something in the line of you dont understand the need for forsaken and nobody you talked to could explain the reason for their existence

Thats what i said were am i defending

[little berry]

Ok u can stop

But they literally was no need to delete my feedback for saying that it’s not insulting or anything it’s not hurting anyone’s feelings so there was no need to delete it sorry if u and SP can’t handle the truth

[wide python]

I pulled because you started with nobody asked for forsaken that is no feedback because nobody asked for any monster I explained that

Not because i was defending forsaken

[little berry]

That’s a stupid argument to say nobody asked for any monster of course nobody asked for the warmasters nemesis VIPs elites but the difference between them and the forsakens is that there decently structured and are not impossible to rank up u don’t have to spend like $200 to rank one forsaken u can get a rank 5 warmaster with time u can’t get a rank 5 nemesis with cells same for vips and elites u can’t do that for forsakens it’s just a big cash grab it’s literally impossible for a f2p to get past a r1 forsaken and most of them are not even usable at r1

[wide python]

Again not defending but you started with nobody asked for forsaken

That was your start of the feedback

Many asked for better racemonsters tho

[little berry]

Ok but we eventually got better race monsters like mirak marquis and sunblast brutaills and probably others

[wide python]

No i meant after marihelson mop and gurlik

[meager gate]

Can I hop in the conversation?

[wide python]

I can try to look for the feedback

[meager gate]

Yes, everyone asked for better race monsters, because they were underwhelming,but we didn't ask for new Warmasters that can't be obtained R5 F2P and are exclusive to one event.

[little berry]

What

Warmasters don’t have an event they have dungeons that recur every month

And it’s not a one time event

[meager gate]

Lol

Read what I wrote a bit better

Either that or I didn't express myself correctly

Probably 2nd tbh

[little berry]

Oof

[silent grotto]

Guys,what runes I should rune on a r0 Ragnarok?

[meager gate]

[silent grotto]

Thx

[meager gate]

No problem.

[little berry]

The last couple racemonsters were good for elemental

[gentle lance]

yes

[little berry]

I am gonna get nisael

[little berry]

[fiery skiff]

👏( 'ω' )nice job

Rip gems and ele but nice job

[little berry]

:Beenut:

[wide python]

@little berry the racemonster before pumpseed whas gurlik before that was mop, before that was Lighterium, before that was Dr Marihelson all were considered not worth to do much effort for

[fiery skiff]

Rip

[little berry]

Nice

[toxic kernel]

Unfair

[bold chasm]

Nice team you’re facing! What beasts

[rain roost]

I just need mop to beat the dungeon

[ember plume]

I hate how nisael is so good and I might not get him :((

[little berry]

Just get Sammy :Beenut:

[frigid smelt]

@ember plume how good is he

[high abyss]

pretty good

sammy-necro hybrid

[ember plume]

I have sammyh

but nisael is better

[pseudo jolt]

Didn’t you quit though?

[frozen zodiac]

Sammy is mainly used for his turn transfer and nisael don’t have that unless you dead

[inland trail]

Sammy isn't used for his TT and is better :tbhfam:

And nisael is more of a sammy-hornet hybrid

[meager gate]

Sammy better support imo

[inland trail]

Also a better denier and attacker :Bigbrain:

[meager gate]

[thorn solar]

It makes me think again about how old monsters are still valuable in PvP.🤔

[pseudo jolt]

@ember plume didn’t you quit though?

Why would you be worrying about a monster if you quit?

[misty elm]

👀

[little berry]

I still think Sammy better

[hazy escarp]

Fair enough

I think nisael is far better defensively tho

[ivory tartan]

is zenfira good

[little berry]

eh

[ivory tartan]

she seems very awkward because of those elemental weekness

its very random

[serene meteor]

might use her to mess with adventure map

lol

[ivory tartan]

lol

that could work

i dont know what else is in the maze tho so

i might go for her

[hazy escarp]

Well she is the only fire support that is half decent

[serene meteor]

usually a mediocre or bad legendary and 2 epics

[hazy escarp]

So I’d get her

[ivory tartan]

seee

i played for a long time when any legend was good

and SIMPLE

now like every sinlg emonster is broken then nerfed

[serene meteor]

yeah thats long gone

[ivory tartan]

yup

now like wyrmlad he doesnt know what he is

says he is an "attacker" yeah sure

why u got revive then

and i swear these moves are like full on essays oml

[hazy escarp]

Wyrm is a support

[ivory tartan]

attack one enemy moderate light then attack all with low light thenn possess all then shock all then 50% chance to have a 25% chance of killing an ally for 400 % dmg

[hazy escarp]

Well that’s the best wyrm

[ivory tartan]

i see him best as a harass

righteous evil then the masterful armor work or something revive then idk more DOT is good

nisael is good tho

he is like a discount sammy

[little berry]

She’s pretty wack

Which is good since she’s forsaken

[inland trail]

^

[hazy escarp]

She is garbo tbh

[little berry]

Tbh most of the forsakens are wack especially unranked

[worn birch]

True

[frozen zodiac]

Who’s zenfira?

Is it that new thingy dm me if u got the skills

[little berry]

k

[frozen zodiac]

I like her

Random hater and random weakness is just meh but I don’t mind her

[coarse bear]

ill get her for the looks

[ivory tartan]

zenfira is so stupid especially since she is forsaken and her not garbage skills are probably set 4

but her design is not that bad

ill get her and use her as a torture monster

like draghar

[little berry]

So she isn’t good?

[coarse bear]

Shes good she looks good

[little berry]

Who

Oh

Nice

[pseudo jolt]

@rigid phoenix show

[little berry]

Gross

[west burrow]

W I c k e d

[little berry]

Where did he go

[pseudo jolt]

He deleted

[little berry]

What was it?

[pseudo jolt]

He said he had a r5 wichak

[little berry]

Imagine lying about a rank 5 wickah

Of all monsters

:Goatbreh:

[broken venture]

lmao

wildbird better ngl

[little berry]

Not hard to be better :Beenut:

[cerulean herald]

@coarse bearyoure disguasting

[little berry]

I sort of always best wildbird with wickah..

No matter how many levels he is above..

[steady shuttle]

Who shall I use for Ragnarok last node of second Floor? So far I am using Babayaga, Buro and Balrog. I can rank up either Corale, or Warthog or Narok. Who would be the best for last node ?

[meager gate]

What version of Warthak?

[steady shuttle]

The Mounten..something. The ones which was obtainable recently.

[meager gate]

Then use Koralle Warthak and some support monster

[knotty meteor]

For warmaster dungeons, if a node is unlocked and i fail to beat it, will i have to pay heroic orbs again or i can keep trying without paying again? Tks

[little berry]

you can retry it and it'll cost the dungeon paw things

not orbs

[knotty meteor]

Ahh sweet thanks Nyooom. Bought the leg pass and trying to take advantage but have crappy mountain legendaries

[high abyss]

i have pretty decent mountain legendaries

[scenic heart]

With the heroic orb discounts, is there a specific time they follow or how far apart they are? Or is it random?

[gentle lance]

im pretty sure they called earth monsters

but u shoul always use this rule were if ur going for a warmsters always have a good team of monsters in the element or u will end up like me with half babari dungeon complete

[frosty dove]

don't end up like him who went for babari.

[little berry]

Babari good tho

[frosty dove]

Unranked?

ok

[little berry]

K

[unkempt coral]

@little berry

[little berry]

@unkempt coral

[formal dirge]

Im at last node for ragnarok with lightning monsters (floor 3). Cant seem to beat him with hornet lv 110, thundeer lv105 and wildbird lv 105. Any ideas?

[pseudo jolt]

Hornet probably all team speed

And bird

[formal dirge]

K thx

[pale jay]

Is this worth it? For Floor 2 of Ragnarok ?

I only have her, and two attackers which are Narok and Burotgor (all unranked) since I don’t have any good support earth monsters

[rigid phoenix]

I’ll say no

[umbral ocean]

how many are u using

[rigid phoenix]

Dude keep saving ur orbs and one you’ll have relevant R1 earth monsters

[umbral ocean]

or r2 or or3

[crisp dove]

just by the pass

i beat that floor with atum minataur and warthak

[little berry]

Game is glitched

[fiery skiff]

Nice. R4 dungeon master

[runic siren]

are any of the warmasters (exept babari )attackers?

[serene meteor]

elvira is a support but has high damage

So i run her teamstrength

[pearl prism]

Barbael is also a good attacker
High damage skills +dots and 50% damage boost
Ragnarok is amazing, doesn't require strength either
Gortak
Remntar

[misty elm]

attacking support, like Wyrmlad

[topaz gust]

So we no longer discuss nemesies and elites here

[little berry]

🤷

[little berry]

Who cares?

:Beenut:

[pale jay]

What runes should I put on my nisael ? It’s unranked btw

[little berry]

[pale jay]

Tyty

[little berry]

np

[pseudo jolt]

R3 trashael?

[frozen zodiac]

Nisael pretty good

[low pasture]

Goodael?

[frozen zodiac]

Niceael

[pseudo jolt]

I meant runes

Runes for r3 trashael?

[frozen zodiac]

or

Depends on your team

I’m running

[little berry]

OP r0 skill

[rain roost]

Finaly got Ragnorak to r1 and a r2 Nisael

@little berry the is not that OP because alot of players at high leagues just use wyrmlad

The skill

[little berry]

@rain roost Yeah but wyrmlad needs r3 to use it -_- and like I said nisael has multiple revive and wyrmlad has single

R3 big easy :Beenut:

Alot of players dont have the money to even get him

nisael was 10 laps race not 15 also

[full salmon]

Ah yes. Everyone's favorite. Lanky Ragnarok

[rain roost]

@little berry I ment the double removal skill

They will just go after nisael since he has multiple revive skill

[strong wagon]

Best moves and runes?

[full salmon]

For runes

[frozen zodiac]

This a good skill set and rune set for r4?

[little berry]

Did u race with mini?

[little berry]

:Beenut:

[misty elm]

He did @little berry

[ember plume]

Per king?

My man did thal dirty

[misty elm]

Madam Fusion is the queen then?

[frozen zodiac]

Well thal is a girl and at the time I was usin 3 per skills before I moved to half death

[misty elm]

Huh?

[frozen zodiac]

Huh what?

Thal can’t be a per king cuz she’s a girl

And instead of using 3 per skills I’m using 2

[misty elm]

Just the wording was interesting

[ember plume]

Thal is not female

Think about it

[misty elm]

Technically yes, she's not in the book

[frigid smelt]

epic

[meager gate]

But in the lore she's Thetys' mom

[frozen zodiac]

Ragnaroks thalassa based skill is called “queens call”

[frigid smelt]

lol

[rigid phoenix]

Lol

Nice one

[wooden tartan]

i'm asking for a friend. what monsters do you recommend for barbael's dungeon 4th floor?

[full salmon]

None. Barbael isn't really worth it

[inland trail]

Asking for a friend :emoji_52:

[little berry]

[unkempt holly]

You also gotta give us a list of your "friend's" monsters, so that someone can suggest

[little berry]

There's so much hate on Barbael that he has to use a 'friend' to ask

[fiery skiff]

So if you were to join ml after all forsaken were released, you'd have no chance of getting them? Thus never being able to complete monstagram if u wanted too?

[little berry]

Unless they break their word for the first time and put them in offers after a while

[fiery skiff]

But the only people who would see the offers are the people who have the forsaken

[misty elm]

@fiery skiff apparently

[fiery skiff]

Rip

[misty elm]

Anything for money

[fiery skiff]

So if I want to complete monstagram. I have to keep playing so I can get the forsaken. Otherwise miss one and give up

[misty elm]

Yup

[little berry]

No I mean I highly doubt that they would not put them in offers for people that don't have them after a while

[fiery skiff]

I mean that'll be the only option. Unless they actually put them in other future events for people who don't have them to get them. That'd be a slap in the face in a way.

I'm trying to ride the forsaken train through to the end. But it's getting harder and harder.

[gray sedge]

Are all monsters introduced from now on gonna be forsaken? Cause that’s all I see

[little berry]

looks like just the race and mazes are forsaken, quest and tale mons seem to be regular ones and progressives seem to be repeating older mazes.

[fiery skiff]

^

And they did maze race than maze again. That's why that's all u see is forsaken.

5 forsaken back to back

[misty elm]

Still a lot @little berry

They devalue elemental cells

[little berry]

yeah

they're releasing them too quickly

every other exclusive line had 1 released per month. (idk about the elites)

[misty elm]

Yup

These are like weekly

Elites can be ranked with elemental cells, so they're not that bad

And Warmasters can be ranked with orbs for free

[little berry]

none of the exclusive lines are bad except the forsakens.

[misty elm]

The monsters are not bad, but the acquisition, the exclusivity and the scummy offers

[little berry]

Yeah

I like the forsaken monsters but the business practices and the amount of paywalls there are just makes me hate the so much

And the way they where introduced is just a big no no

[misty elm]

Yes

[coarse bear]

Yes it is too rushed and even top players struggle to cash out on each one.

[plucky zodiac]

I wish that sp would make a forsaken survival dungeon every month to get cells to rank them up. Would be awesome

[hazy escarp]

Maybe just an elite/warmaster/nemesis/forsaken survival dungeon that’s very difficult but gives amazing rewards like forsaken cells

[frosty dove]

5 cells at the end of the dungeon.

[west burrow]

What’s a good Nisael move set

[valid walrus]

I have mine at rank 1 lvl 105 and I run Pain Outbreak, Plague Spreader, Purger Army, and Necromantic Army.

[west burrow]

I’m gonna need to upgrade my temples and grind food but also thanks

[valid walrus]

No problem

Keep in mind I'm in legendary IV with 5.8k trophies and hes still usable

[west burrow]

Then he’ll prob be good in gold 3

2*

[valid walrus]

He would work wonders there 😄

[west burrow]

Not into competitive yet but I’m learning bout it

[frosty dove]

trust me, you do not want to go there.

[valid walrus]

It's fun for me

[west burrow]

Well I mean at least use good monsters

[valid walrus]

Until I get clapped by a 130 thalassa 130 ragnarok 130 wrmlad base

[frosty dove]

it's not fun till you're overpowered.

exactly lmoma

*lmao

[west burrow]

I have a lvl 85 and that’s the closest thing to a Meta I’ve gotten too

Voltaik

[frosty dove]

erm

not at all.

[west burrow]

Old meta .-.

[valid walrus]

Just gonna say volt is useless in comp

[frosty dove]

old meta is gone.

[west burrow]

Anything new in the game is the new meta .-.

[frosty dove]

not entirely true.

[west burrow]

Half the time

[valid walrus]

The new fire forsaken is trash lmao

[west burrow]

The one in the maze

[valid walrus]

Yes

[west burrow]

I know there’s gonna be a new ground legend

[valid walrus]

Yeah hes a quest monster with pierce

[little berry]

he's also trash

[valid walrus]

Yeah

[west burrow]

The only thing Ik are good in this game are Ragnarok and Wrymlad

[pseudo jolt]

I mean shes good for completing the book

[valid walrus]

Yeah but that's pretty much it tho

[pseudo jolt]

I just need her and get a free x rune

[west burrow]

I heard hookuais good

[valid walrus]

Hook is great

[pseudo jolt]

Yep

Hes really good

[west burrow]

I wish I could do the warmaster dungeons but I don’t have the right monsters

[valid walrus]

Dont worry man just keep up the grind and hope $p dont make the game more p2w than it already is

[west burrow]

I did buy the pass

[valid walrus]

Nice

I did bought it too. Ragnarok has the best pass imo

[west burrow]

I’m hoping to do my best on my alt cus it’s not very good and the only legend is ursus

[valid walrus]

Ursus is amazing

[ivory tartan]

What is the maze cost for zenfira

[valid walrus]

No idea sorry

[crystal plume]

How orbs is the fire floor for Rag, is every node 85 orbs so 2550 for the entire floor?

[little berry]

Pretty much

[umbral ocean]

how much does floor 3 and floor 4 individually take ping me if your answering

[wide python]

Its pinned here but here it is
1st floor 20x40 =800
2nd floor 25x60 = 1500
3rd floor 30x80 = 2400
4th floor 35x100=3500
5th floor 40x120=4800
6th floor 45x150=6750

@umbral ocean

[umbral ocean]

thank you so much

[frigid smelt]

quick math

[umbral ocean]

Road to rank 5 thalasa

First get Eisul

then rank him up

[plucky zodiac]

You don't run half death @valid walrus ?

[ivory tartan]

Why is zenfira so easy to get

In the ltp

[lime rune]

Easy for you maybe

[thorn solar]

Because she's hard for ranking up.

[fiery skiff]

Lol

[thorny bough]

Every week new monster

[inland trail]

She's trash anyway

[slow imp]

Is she that bad?

[little berry]

When is tomorrow discount

[barren arch]

Tomorrow. 🤔😁

No idea when. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[meager gate]

4pm GMT from past mazes

[nova drum]

@little berry what time zone are you in

[frigid smelt]

@nova drum earth

[nova drum]

Oh ok good to know

[frigid smelt]

lol

[wooden tartan]

@little berry @inland trail i was literally asking for my boyfriend but ok 😂

[high abyss]

tell him it aint worth it

you either get barb 130 or dont get him at all

theres other monsters more worthwhile at r2

[wooden tartan]

well he already had it at r2 now and he was just wondering if it had any potential

but now i see how its not worth it

[little berry]

Bird at r2 nop good

[high abyss]

i mean dont get me wrong

barb is aight

but compared to wms he isnt anything special

that trait sure works wonders on attackers though

[little berry]

What who are y’all talking about

Barbael

[high abyss]

yuh

[little berry]

Oh nop at r2 he nop good

[wooden tartan]

i told him that he could get so much better warmasters

he has thalassa already

but like

he just kinda went for it so

[valid walrus]

I sometimes do and run death door with ragnarok to easily kill tanks

[high abyss]

death door isnt affected by damage boost

[meager gate]

^

[little berry]

imagine if it was tho

[meager gate]

helth

[magic thicket]

Double damage = 150% life removal

Dang that's op

[little berry]

Hot

[solemn brook]

What happened to nemesis?

aw'man

[meager gate]

Gone,reduced to atoms.

[ivory tartan]

best unranked zenfira moveset

[sage dirge]

hii

do you recomend to buy zenfira??

in the maze

I dont know if she is a good monster

[little berry]

She's not that great. I wouldn't buy her

Just get her from the ltp for any future time limited books she might be in

[west burrow]

Is this a good Nisael moveset for now?

[frosty dove]

Yes.

[west burrow]

Would you want to put speed on Nisael?

[frosty dove]

Yes

[frozen zodiac]

[little berry]

Eh

Definitely not an unranked one

[frozen zodiac]

I’d go low ranked and high ranked

[dull bramble]

Any help would be appreciated

[frigid smelt]

get a r1 nabu

[dull bramble]

My god i did it

[frigid smelt]

congrats

[meager gate]

Nice.

[charred flax]

Any tips to get much orbs?

[meager gate]

Buy during happy hour,only first 2 packs.

[fierce stone]

:D

@dull bramble me too!

Congratulations!

[low loom]

grats

[fierce stone]

Tyvm

[native bough]

@dull bramble how did you do it

I have the same team as you lol

[little berry]

@indian

[brisk moss]

guys is it theoretically possible to use r1 monsters on the first floor of a warmaster dungeon

[broken venture]

ofc it is

its just above r0

no one said u can't use higher

[brisk moss]

ok thx

[frosty zenith]

Any tips for getting elemental cells to rank?

[little berry]

breed epics and then extract them.

[frozen zodiac]

This is forsaken-Warmaster none of which can be ranked with elemental cells

[frosty zenith]

Yeah I meant for ranking my monsters to complete the floors

[frozen zodiac]

Dungeons, live duels, epic and legendary extracting, offers

[dull bramble]

@native bough i swap kora runes to 2 life 1 speed so he goes right after rag and can megat

[native bough]

and what do you do on warthicc?

which move

[dull bramble]

Warthak runes swapped to 3 strength a

[native bough]

yup thats what i have

[dull bramble]

Moves are wrath, then the single per, the single sword, and the other single dark 0 cd

[native bough]

k

which move order?

[dull bramble]

The above

All single hits to rag

[native bough]

like what moves do you do during the battle

[dull bramble]

Yea i did them in that order

[native bough]

k

[dull bramble]

Best of luck

[native bough]

k

should i do wraith first or dawson ghost?

[dull bramble]

@native bough if he does taunt do wraith

[native bough]

K thx

[frigid smelt]

not eggeater

[little berry]

Silverleaf

[frigid smelt]

silver can support

thunder can do good deny

[little berry]

Thundeer better ranked up but not unranked

[frigid smelt]

ye

nice

dont challenge the bot

[wide venture]

my friend getting zenfira at only level 25

[spiral current]

I am lvl 40 and i have
Santerion, cain, lord pumpseed r1,firus r1,nisael r1,zenfira, kronxian guard, grakon and ursus too

[high narwhal]

👍

[charred flax]

Am level 86 and dont even own an single forsaken or something just osur and nox

Vip

[fiery skiff]

Lol

[little berry]

Nox is fun

[frigid smelt]

@little berry have u used him?

[little berry]

Yes

[frigid smelt]

how fun is he

from 1/10

[little berry]

8

[frigid smelt]

eic

epic

[frosty dove]

Pair him up with remntar.

Even more fun.

[little berry]

O I hadn't thought of that but then again I don't have remntar

[frigid smelt]

epic

[high narwhal]

[little berry]

Nox works well with tanks

[little berry]

SO CLOSE 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥

Eww going after barbael

Nox works well with gold runes

Like Barbael :Beenut:

[pseudo jolt]

@little berry why

[little berry]

Because hes gonna be my first warmaster

Just stop

[pseudo jolt]

Um rag or elvira would have been a better option

[little berry]

Cant

[pseudo jolt]

If that was the case, I would just save my orbs

[little berry]

Dont have all the ranked

should've waited till you could've went for rag or elvira then

[pseudo jolt]

^

Barbael will just take up space

[little berry]

Ha

How about that

[pseudo jolt]

Yeah

Those are good runes for barbael

[little berry]

I still actually want him

fair enough

Other wise it be a waist

[pseudo jolt]

You do you I guess

[little berry]

its a waste no matter what.

He has total blind all enemies

i know.

That's why

i had him before

Don't tell me you sold a warmaster

possibly

Big gamer move

^

Wish you could refund em tbh

that would be nice

I regret going for Sherry :pepesad:

🤦‍♂️

ur a 🤦‍♂️

[west burrow]

[little berry]

My mom said it was a pro gamer move when she made me for ww3

nice

[pseudo jolt]

I mean sherry is nice at r4

[west burrow]

[little berry]

O

[pseudo jolt]

But the rest are absolute garbo

[little berry]

He been getting gamered by DA for months now

[pseudo jolt]

Also gortak pretty nice

[little berry]

Warmaster are trophy of I'm flexing you suck to me

Initial drawbacks of bad Ai and great dispel heccing positives don’t go away either

[pseudo jolt]

But necro, and the others are trash

[little berry]

Gortak great

Necro trash

elvira nop trash

Elvira usless

Babari nop trash

boi you're going for barbael you can't call elvira useless

[pseudo jolt]

Elvira great at r0

[little berry]

Me

Beans

I will not let flame die for barbael

Tbh I'm desperate for a warmadter

[west burrow]

No one even mentions that grass warmaster

[little berry]

Warmaster*

We did

Wait no

Nvm

Lol

i wouldn't say great but she's better than most of the other wms at r0.

She sucks to me

Never go for her

Only cells

I mean nature

says the one getting barbael

[pseudo jolt]

Elvira is great at r0

[little berry]

Better than Barbael and Necro :sosig:

I realised I only went for him because of the fire cells

🤬

uhuh

sure

[pseudo jolt]

Better than some useless r0 thalassa

[west burrow]

All I know is Elvira,Ragnorok,Thalassa, and Sherezar good

[little berry]

Honestly only Thalassa and Rag are really worth going for at this point

[pseudo jolt]

True

[little berry]

kidna sad tbh

[pseudo jolt]

Sucks fhat rag has no aoe moves

[little berry]

kinda*

There’s an insane amount of separation between them and whoever you wanna say the 3rd best is

[west burrow]

Nisael good

[little berry]

Wickah waiting for those gold runes

:Pog:

[pseudo jolt]

I mean if you got a r4 nisael, there’s no point in getting rag now

[little berry]

Eh

sp booling the warmasters

Rag still better but I get what you’re saying

[pseudo jolt]

You save yourself all of the otbs

[west burrow]

now I realize why they said earlier Wickah has the most mgp

[pseudo jolt]

Debatable

[little berry]

Nop really

[pseudo jolt]

Nisael replaced him