monster-discussion

[thorn solar]

Xiron r2 with 7 7 7 is nothing because they're not only have runes but also healing relic

[little berry]

Also annoying that the dungeon gives AoE control immunityat the start

[thorn solar]

SP requires us having r2 monster. But on floors 2, they make r2 enemies for us too

WM without runes and relic is trash

All of path will come to 1 thing, p2w

[little berry]

Madam fusion helps a lot but be careful with floor 5 the artifact trait makes the monsters like impossible to kill

[magic thicket]

Use ruby and you are fine !!!

[quick scaffold]

Use ruby with strength rune

Along with madam

[magic thicket]

^

[stark quartz]

elite or nemesis

[little berry]

Elites are mostly better

[stark quartz]

ok

best elite to get for the elite days 25 cells pack?

[little berry]

Wrymlad Dune Ra Nitro blaster kronx Ugluk any of those are pretty good

[stark quartz]

those are all them besides soul hugger

[little berry]

Nemesis still better overall change my mind

[fickle acorn]

I agree.

[inland trail]

Only one and the best elite is arguably better than his nemesis counterpart so yes

Actually forgot gorg and hydratila existed but gorg is better there
But still

[dry sierra]

Nitro>Luci HF

And how is warthak better than ugluk? Lmao?

[inland trail]

Bad word

[dry sierra]

destructed

[inland trail]

Anyway warthak's better since earth isn't only koralle
Also he can basically deal as much damage while being more effective against other monsters

[dry sierra]

Usually wars arent 3 earth monsters , i dont remind them being. So elemental advantage shouldnt be a problem.

And koralle is the most used defensively.

[inland trail]

But what I said still stands

And while war isn't 3 earth, the elemental advantage is extremely helpful

[dry sierra]

Still... I'd use ugluk over warthak any day.

if we ever get triple earth , like we got triple light , warthak will rock.

[inland trail]

Every nemesis will rock in their triple element war, but SP better not do that

[dry sierra]

Hydratila won't.

[inland trail]

Oh yeah oof

[dry sierra]

They kind of screwed her up.

[inland trail]

Thunder hydratila would've been a top attacker in water kek

[dry sierra]

Sp really messed up , that thing should've gotten fixed while ago.

[inland trail]

There are many things which should've been fixed a while ago

[dry sierra]

Sammy's pain scourge still aint fixed.

Sherezar's rejuvenation did .

Sammy poor boi

[inland trail]

They probably forgot about him kek

[misty elm]

Rank 5 is 4500 right?

[dry sierra]

I hope they fix it next version lol.

[misty elm]

Still need like 1k

[dry sierra]

@misty elm on last floor

R4 part is 2400

Arouns that

Then the other part is for r5

[misty elm]

Yes, I know that

Already did the Thalassa dungeon

[dry sierra]

R5?

[misty elm]

that's why I asked

How many orbs for rank 5 only

Rank 4 is done

[dry sierra]

Around 4400

Last floor is 6800

[misty elm]

3400 right now, darn it

[dry sierra]

Forgive me if im mistaken

Kek

Lemme check fast

U need 4350

For r5

@misty elm

[misty elm]

Cool, so 1k more

😦

[coarse bear]

where did u get the orbs?

[misty elm]

Events mostly

And sometimes buying them on discount

Like I will get 500 orbs from the book

And 300 from the pass

[humble topaz]

Start der Nemesis Days?

Sorry Elite days startet?

[little berry]

Nemesis days start soon I think probably on Monday

Nemesis Days usually start on thursdays.

[pseudo jolt]

Wait nvm

That’s next week

[little berry]

[next juniper]

should I go for Thalassa r1 or Ragnarok r2?

[hot stirrup]

Which amulet should I craft for my Thalassa?

[mossy sorrel]

@hot stirrup super charged

[hot stirrup]

Okay

Thank you 😘

[mossy sorrel]

@next juniper ragg r2

Np Ninja

[hot stirrup]

Hey @mossy sorrel, what about for armor?

I just so happen to already have one of those amulets.

[mossy sorrel]

Nebu armor if u have or armor of duty

[hot stirrup]

Should I craft nebu if I can

[dry sierra]

Yeah

[mossy sorrel]

Yep

Nebu is big good

[hot stirrup]

Welp, this is irritating

[hard wren]

so close

[onyx cobalt]

How many jems would it cost to buy 900 hero orbs in the orb happy hour discount

[high abyss]

344

[dry sierra]

360

I counted first pack only

40 gems for 100 orbs

40x9=360

[high abyss]

on discount

its 42 for 110

900/110 x 42

= 343 gems

[dry sierra]

Mine was without discount.

[high abyss]

but its 40 gem for 50 orbs without discount

[dry sierra]

40 for 100*

I said just first pack

[high abyss]

huh

wat

[dry sierra]

Dude if u buy only the first pack on discount 900 orbs cost 360

Without discount it costs 720

[high abyss]

the first pack is 40 gems for 50 orbs though

discount its 20 for 50

second pack on discount its 22 for 60

so 42 gems for 110

how is it 40 for 100 without discount

if you only get 50 orbs for 40 gems

[dry sierra]

Cant u read

I said if u buy first pack in discount not 2nd

900 orbs cost 360

[high abyss]

but it would be cheaper to buy the first 2 packs

the orb to gem ratio is higher if you buy the first 2 packs

[dry sierra]

Ik its cheaper.

For around 15 gems

[high abyss]

o

[light spear]

Does anyone have a chart for The orb prices for SHEREZAR discount

[quartz slate]

When is the dungeon for ragnarok ?

[hazy escarp]

Next week

[covert hill]

Will the orb offer come round again for sherezer month?

The 8,500 orbs one?

[high abyss]

probably

[covert hill]

Hope it comes in this side of the 6 days i want thalassa ranked can rank her twice with 8,500 orbs

[verbal creek]

Does anyone know when the nemesis dungeon comes back

[dry sierra]

Next week @verbal creek

[verbal creek]

Thank u

[dry sierra]

@verbal creeknp

[little berry]

Should I rank up zahra or gortak next

[hazy escarp]

Gortak

[little berry]

Depends on your needs, really.

[little berry]

I mean I prefer zahra but I have nothing in earth so

[little berry]

Ranking a Warmaster is a long term task and it does require good enough monsters to accomplish wholly, so I'd say - go with who you like more 😄

[serene meteor]

elvira is the easiest wm to get with wyrm

[little berry]

Actually I’d say barbel was the easiest to get

[serene meteor]

i can agree on that

[magic thicket]

Who wants barbael

[mossy sorrel]

I do if its free 😁

[little berry]

Free gold slave :DrakeYea:

[fickle acorn]

[serene meteor]

stop using globals

[silver bloom]

👀

[fickle acorn]

Nop

[onyx cobalt]

When is the next elite days and nemesis days

[serene meteor]

yop

[little berry]

@onyx cobalt Thursday for the nemesis days i believe

[fiery skiff]

Don't know if it's nemesis days. Just that that's when nsd starts

[little berry]

@fiery skiff @onyx cobalt check #announcements

[fiery skiff]

@little berry yeah I know. It says nemesis survival dungeon. Not nemesis days.

They've had them separate before

[warm nacelle]

What’s the best warmaster dungeon to start in

[limber comet]

rag

[onyx cobalt]

Thalassa

Or rag

[high abyss]

best wm to go for at r0 are rag and elvira

the others can work but arent as good as some normal monsters at r0

[little berry]

What about remntar

[inland trail]

He's OK, but the fact that everyone has mirak really diminishes his value

[hazy escarp]

He cool tho

[west quiver]

👋 Hello

[little berry]

Hi

[magic thicket]

BruH

Trait wAcK

[little berry]

What’s the best skill set to run on a rank 4 sherry

[green citrus]

Great Dispel
Random SpellBook
Curse of Decay or Rejuvenation
Grandmaster’s Scroll

[little berry]

Great dispel random spellbook wizard negation Grandmaster scroll

[silver bloom]

Rejuvenation is very good skill to have

[dry sierra]

Imagine not running rejuvenation

Can't relate

[silver bloom]

It's ur choice 🤷

[meager charm]

Who is the best elite if I buy the elite chest

[dry sierra]

Wyrmlad / ugluk

Ugluk best unranked elite

And ranked 2nd best

[little berry]

Kronx if you don't have her

She has great skill unranked

[dry sierra]

Kronx is no where near wyrm and ugluk

[silver bloom]

Still not bad if u get her but Ugluk and Wyrm are very goood

[velvet frost]

Which one runes best for his

Her*

[silver bloom]

There is no best runes for her, she is versatile support and mostly players use rune sets according to their team but since u asked twice then To support ur denier but if u relay on damage then use

[humble knot]

Which Nemesis should I get for the NSD? Hydratilla the Boltcaster Samael the desease spreader or Talos the Island protector?
I already have Samael the PC and Llum the MM

[hazy escarp]

I’d go for faraday or warthak

@humble knot

[humble knot]

I don't have enough cells or souls for them I only can craft only one on the list that I presented

[silver bloom]

@humble knot talos I would say

[humble knot]

@silver bloom Thank you

[silver bloom]

Happy to help 😃

[warped path]

how much are the costs for the warmaster floors? is the warmaster if the month cheaper?

[dry sierra]

If u have 2 tenacities get another sammy ds

[covert hill]

Why was there 8,500 orb offer first thing on elviras month but this month nothin?

[quick scaffold]

Sammy ds can hold two shields?

[high abyss]

1

shield and amulet

[dry sierra]

1 but he plans to use 2 sammys

2 sammys with 2 tenacities are really hard to beat tho

Over 60k shield.

[magic thicket]

U need to max them

Each max tenacity gives 30k shield if I am not wrong

[inland trail]

31k

[frosty dove]

kronx isn't great unranked wym

just because of one skill?

[brave junco]

which warmaster should I go for, Thalassa or Ragnarok?

[little berry]

If ur going for unranked get ragnarok if ur going for rank 4 get thalassa

[glacial yoke]

What’s the best way to get orbs

[dull bramble]

wait when did they revert the change where you could get the warmasters with unranked monsters

[little berry]

that was never a thing u have to buy the legends pass and it only works for sherry not all warmasters

the rank restrictions are lowered for all warmasters

u can get unranked warmasters with unranked monsters if thats what ur talking about

[dull bramble]

@little berry ur last point was what i was talking about

I seem to remember that they recently changed it so that the first 2 floors could be completed with r0 monsters

But now its back to needing r1 monsters for the second floor

[sly oar]

I have a question;
Lium can hold Uriel essence, now what if she died in nemesis survival dungeons, will she be resurcted by the relic or not ???

[dry sierra]

She will.

[little berry]

Nice

Big lucky

Yop

[silver bloom]

😮

[green citrus]

Insane

[little berry]

What is the worst nemesis in the game ?

[drifting cedar]

Any info about the nemesis dungeon?

Is is the exact same as last time?

Am I going to be stunned on the gorthak node?

If someone knows 😅

[quick scaffold]

@drifting cedar yes u will be stunned and cda in gortak node

[drifting cedar]

Thanks

[quick scaffold]

Both lucifire and gortak will recharge for two turns

But the faraday will be attacking

So use something to tackle the faraday

[drifting cedar]

Okay great thanks a lot

[quick scaffold]

You r welcome

[drifting cedar]

Are there any other surprises on the following nodes btw @hello kitty cutie?

@quick scaffold

[quick scaffold]

Idk anymore @drifting cedar but those surprises wont cause u any problem as far as i know

[drifting cedar]

alright thanks

Im at the last one now, so hopefully make it 🙂

[fading shell]

Best to worst samael?

[high abyss]

id say best pc least good ds

there is no worst sammy

they are all good

[inland trail]

DS is the worst, but is still amazing
PC and FS are about the same

[fading shell]

Damn.. I got ds.

How should I run him? He's my first nemesis

[little berry]

[drifting cedar]

Depends on how you play him, some people like

Some like

[austere light]

Anyone know the battle buffs for last nod on survival dungeon please?

[high abyss]

its a normal node

[fiery skiff]

R4 rag or thalassa

[little berry]

R4 rag

[fiery skiff]

Really

[little berry]

well i would most definitely take a rank 4 rag the an unranked thalassa

[fickle acorn]

Same.

But if you also mean r4 Thalassa, then go for Thalassa lol.

[little berry]

yea

[silver bloom]

@fiery skiff thalassa

Best r4

Wm

[fiery skiff]

Who said anything about unranked thalassa? Nani

And thanks okay. I'll go for r4 thal

[verbal sky]

Both my Thalassa and ragnarock are r4

Which should I get to r5 first

[little berry]

Thalassa @verbal sky

[mossy sorrel]

Thalassa

[little berry]

Zahra

[agile summit]

how can i get orbs fast

4 free

[little berry]

Buy them when orb discount comes

[covert hill]

When will there be more orb offers coming out?

[fading shell]

Twice daily at random times

[quartz slate]

Can I complète the last step of ragnarok stage 2 with those monsters ?

[jagged lake]

Who’s the one on the middle

[quartz slate]

Its a shit, all of my monsters is in the list with furhem and balor

And I have Wolfgang lvl 105 in 2 days

[lime egret]

What runes for Warmaster Barbael?

[hazy escarp]

[lime egret]

Really?

[little berry]

Or

[lime egret]

Oof are they weak?

[little berry]

Barbel is just not good

[quartz slate]

Please can I make it ?

[little berry]

Yes u probably could it’s gonna be really hard make sure to bring some relics

And use Wolfgang instead of the epic when he’s ready @quartz slate

[quartz slate]

Okk thanks bro and Wolfgang with ?

[little berry]

He’s an attacker run him like that

[quartz slate]

Thanks @little berry I hope I can finish him

[little berry]

Np and good luck

[coral shale]

4/5 speed.
3575 speed
5/5 strength
3454 Strength
Social Point explain

[inland trail]

Like that even matters

[severe seal]

I'm on the last side of the second floor fir barbell but they are way too fast

[little berry]

Trying to market Barbael at all is the confusing part

[covert hill]

Do the orb offer come up twice a day?

[little berry]

Yes

I believe so

[unkempt holly]

Yup twice a day

[covert hill]

What hour gap? I mean how far apart is the next offer from the next?

As i can only catch the 1 offer between 12-2 afternoon ish time

[unkempt holly]

I don't think it is fixed, kinda random from what I know

[agile summit]

ruby r3 or pumpseed r1

[restive bloom]

Pumpseed

[little berry]

Ruby R3

Ruby

Easily

[agile summit]

ok

[sharp jewel]

Ruby ftw

If r3

[little berry]

Barbael is good

But bad compared to othet warmwsters

Dont mix that up

[ashen wing]

uhhh

k man

[quick scaffold]

Barbael has got amazing speed stat

And has good DoTs

And can total blind

Thats it but he is good

[silver bloom]

Trait disable too

[little berry]

Should I use my bronze relics to craft a gold charging banner?

[limpid spear]

Just defeated the final node of survival dungeon using a 100 plague carried and a 100 lifemelter after my main team got destroyed by barbael's ultimate, all because the relics on my talos still activated even though he was dead before the battle began

[candid oasis]

is urial essence work in nemesis survival dungeons

?

[inland trail]

Yes @candid oasis

[candid oasis]

thanks

suggestions about team you use in survival dungeon?

[inland trail]

I use llum, warthak, sammy
Most nodes are just TT into warthak and aoe kill them

[candid oasis]

@inland trail lvls and runes?

[inland trail]

All 120, sammy all speed (2 X and VII), llum all ts (VII), warthak all str (VIII, IX, X)

[candid oasis]

nice team

i use this sometime change runes...

just 5 nodes left

[silver bloom]

Niceee

[candid oasis]

completed

@inland trail

got this

talos ruby and samael is love

did it 1st time in my life

[little berry]

nice

[candid oasis]

thank u

[inland trail]

Congrats

Got this hehe

[candid oasis]

wow

[little berry]

Which is better
This guy or the magic version?

[hazy escarp]

Both are about equal but magic slightly edges him out

[little berry]

Hm
Thank you

no the nature is better

the nature version has corruption

[inland trail]

Possession big trash now

It's a free recharge for the enemy
At least stunned monsters don't get stamina kek

[dry sierra]

At least prevents them from doing anything.

[little berry]

how do i have talos last skill at 110 i thought u unlocked it at rank 3

FA better design tho

yea

[inland trail]

Big true

[fickle acorn]

I still say FA is the best version.

[little berry]

Well that’s because it is

[hazy escarp]

Onop

[little berry]

Yop

[hazy escarp]

Stun, sunburn > corrupt, poison

And

Talos IP has elemental advantage over his element

[little berry]

Poison big underrated

Fr

[hazy escarp]

Not as good as accuracy reduction tho

[little berry]

It’s better sometimes

Guaranteed 20% damage reduction on a Hook or Warthak > them maybe missing their attack

But it reduces the power by 20% which if ur gonna against a strong attacker could save u

Or most attackers for that matter

[dry sierra]

Bleed , poison big underrated.

[little berry]

What should the first Warmaster anyone should get

[hazy escarp]

Ragnarok

[little berry]

And second?

Elvira

If ur going for unranked warmasters

Would get Rag and then work towards getting the monsters to eventually get and rank Thalassa

Or you could just rank Rag

[lunar vessel]

Agree. Get rag to r3 then work on thalassa

[little berry]

What’s the best team I could have unranked.

[jagged lake]

@little berry wdym by that pvp or heroic dungeons

[little berry]

PvP

That’s a pretty hard question to answer

Ik general

*in general

Like Wyrmlad, rag, esuil etc...

[inland trail]

Eh

Wyrm wack at 100

So are most WMs and nemeses

[pseudo jolt]

^

Eisul is also wack

[little berry]

Hook, O’Reilly, Dunn, Mirak, Frosilka, Clip/Koralle are some good ones I guess

[hardy bough]

Rag isnt to bad at r0

[inland trail]

He's OK
Which is why I said most

[little berry]

:Bigbrain:

[hazy escarp]

zahra best unranked wm

[little berry]

Das a cap

[agile summit]

is there a way to get a decent amount of orbs other than pvp season

[serene solar]

You can buy them while they’re on discount but that’s not very effective

[agile summit]

and thats the only way

bc i only get like 12 at a time and its like once a every week

[serene solar]

Yeah, it’s really slow

[agile summit]

how do people get rank 130 wm

;-;

[fickle acorn]

Money

[little berry]

They pay a lot of money

[restive fog]

Just buy during discounts

And if you can get enough nemesis would to get a ruby then beat the survival dungeon

[candid oasis]

@little berry nature is deny with hacked skill and magic talos is real killer with stun move and have high strength...

[little berry]

Huh there both attackers

Thanks for the info

[quartz slate]

What rune for ragnarok ?

[hazy escarp]

[meager gate]

it unlocks a path to get helgudin and some of her cells

also,wrong channel

[sharp jewel]

Could this team carry me through floor 1?

• Charmless not team

Who is better unranked : Sherry or Rag

I think rag

I think rag is better so that's why I'm going for him

[tired ginkgo]

too weak

charmless will be useless on the last node

[meager gate]

I won with charmless

because A.I. dum dum

[little berry]

@sharp jewel give gurlk some runes and u might have a chance

also last node might not wanna use charmless

ragnarok has anti

[little berry]

If i spend 500 gems on heroic orbs during happy hour, how many orbs I would have ?

[meager gate]

If only buying the 20 and 22 packs,1309

[steep adder]

Hey all, is the best Samuel to get first the plague carrier?

[fickle acorn]

Yes.

[steep adder]

Thanks, I have enough cells to do anyone of them with purchasing the 25 cell pack.

[candid oasis]

@little berry when you started play monster legend?

[little berry]

4 years ago

[rain roost]

:)

[jagged lake]

Rip one lock slot

[little berry]

@jagged lake i got 2 unlocked rune slots

[candid oasis]

@little berry same but you dont know about talos trio...

[misty elm]

@spiral ember 😂

At least not one slot

[restive fog]

Can I beat nemesis dungeon with 115 ruby 105 hydratila and 100 llum

I have jazastar mask

?

[restive fog]

It’s fine I can give ruby and hydratila damage boost with llum

And ignition helps

[little berry]

@candid oasis what you mean

Who’s better barbel or zahra

[velvet spindle]

That's a tough question

[little berry]

Not really

It’s pretty obvious who’s worse

[velvet spindle]

Who

[little berry]

Barbel

[velvet spindle]

Ok

[little berry]

Barbael easily

He’s big trash

[velvet spindle]

Barbael has td

[little berry]

1 turn trait disable

:WeirdChamp:

oop

Barbael isn’t even just bad by WM standards

I’d rather use like 5+ fire monsters

And fire isn’t even as stacked as some other elements

Oof

What’s the best skill set to run on a rank 4 zahra

[little berry]

I think Zahra is severely underrated

She is but u can’t say that because everyone will just say she trash

I love her design and her avatar tho but she still usable

Well I don’t have the top 3 nature monsters so

Are he’s skills leaked yet

Watch him be trash

[little berry]

If he is O’Reilly and Pyro gonna cry

Been carrying Nature by themselves for too long

What about Silverleaf?

He’s fine

But not great either

Silverleaf is the 3rd best nature monster

Then zahra is the 4th then idk after that

[quick scaffold]

Who is the second best nature?

[velvet spindle]

Pyromancer

[quick scaffold]

Is he really that good? Wow i thought he was weak

Who is the worst two nemesis?

[velvet spindle]

Hydratila

Lucifire maybe

[inland trail]

Base talos and xiron

Hydratila and luci are quite good, especially luci

Also silver is the 4th best nature at best
Pyro, o'reilly and charmless are the top 3, whatever order you put them in it's viable

[hazy escarp]

I think silver will be above charm as charm gets worse and worse with anticipation monsters being released

[inland trail]

Maybe, but for now he's still at the top

[magic thicket]

Until sp brings nature anticipation

[inland trail]

And that nature anticipators has moves which can do something to charmless and is common

[magic thicket]

Maybe the one in maze could be anticipation monster @inland trail

[inland trail]

What makes you think that?

[quartz slate]

What the better skills for ragnarok r0 ?

[jagged lake]

Death door, archangels blessing, the cda and demon flames/the skill mirror

[little berry]

Helgudin is a good nemesis

[hazy escarp]

She isn’t a nemesis tho...

[little berry]

Ik

[high narwhal]

[jagged lake]

[quartz slate]

With those monsters can I complete wm babari ?

[jagged lake]

@quartz slate whos in the middle

[quartz slate]

A epic but is just for show you the rest of my monstets

Monsters

[solemn brook]

Tempest

🌩️

🪓

[frosty remnant]

@hazy escarp Can confirm that Helgudin is a nemesis, she’s got me through the Nemesis Survival dungeon without breaking a sweat

[jagged lake]

@frosty remnant what

[frosty remnant]

These are my thoughts when reading the comments on here

Long story short someone said that Helgudin was a nemesis

Stallord said they weren’t

Then I decided to contribute

[little berry]

Helgudin is not a nemesis

[high abyss]

helgudin is a nemesis

[unkempt coral]

Not

[high abyss]

is*

[little berry]

No

[inland trail]

||Correcting him with is would make his sentence say Is not||

[high abyss]

is**

[flat lintel]

the heroic dungeons are like survivel dungeons?

[hazy escarp]

No

[frosty dove]

No

Thankfully not

[hazy escarp]

^

[unique raptor]

Helgudin is one of the top 10 dark monsters in my opinion

[little berry]

Just top 10

[pseudo jolt]

Isn’t she like one of the best attackers

[signal pagoda]

Is it worth it

[runic wave]

Yes

Llum big good

[unique raptor]

Okay I admit Helgudin is best attacker imo

[cerulean marsh]

Hookuai

Is better

He has anticipation and immunity to control

[zenith surge]

So helgudin is an attacker?

I just need runes for her

Look at #runes help me

[silent beacon]

Are u allowed to have more than one of a certain warmaster

Or do u have to rank it up

[little berry]

What do u mean like can u have 2 of the same warmasters if that’s ur question then u can’t have more then 1 of the same warmasters

[silent beacon]

K

Thx

[little berry]

Np

[little berry]

is xiron the ruby good?

[inland trail]

Yes

[old zinc]

@little berry amazing

Is WM necromamcer good??

[dry sierra]

O nop

[little berry]

@old zinc good as supporter

[meager gate]

Neceo decent as a WM,good as a monster

[hazy escarp]

He’s the worst wm and he isn’t even that good as a regular monster

[ashen wing]

ummm ok?

[inland trail]

^ Stall

[old zinc]

@little berry thx

@hazy escarp aint barb the wrst?

[lunar vessel]

I have been collecting and ranking my nemesis with plans to tackle the survival dungeons every month. What teams are you guys using to complete it? Runes and ranks?

[inland trail]

Barbael actually useful

[jagged lake]

Well most people use Sammy ruby and wartak/faraday

[dry sierra]

Sammy llum faraday

Or any attacker

[old zinc]

@inland trail oh thanks 👌

[little berry]

Necro justs completely sucks

Not around Pumpseed thou with the right team

That's what you call business strat for when one of your products ain't selling good enough

theres no right team for necro he is trash I'd rather use barbael then him

Good for you

[tawny oxide]

necro W A C C

he counters pumspeed tho

[little berry]

Well mine has gold and stamina runes so I can’t really try that

[jagged lake]

How does he counter pumpseed

[high abyss]

he has team possession immunity

[jagged lake]

So cda

[little berry]

:Bigbrain:

[snow cairn]

Necro my first love <3

[dry sierra]

He also has 0 cd self ET skill @jagged lake

Lmao

:pog:

[little berry]

Too bad his Ai sucks on defense

And he can’t do much with that turn anyway

[hardy bough]

^

[snow cairn]

I still argue that to a huge extent it diesnt matter how "good" a monster us in defense if the majority if the time, as the attacker you get to dominate the battle.

So it's best to look at monsters for their worth on offense.

[little berry]

I see your point, but that’s why I feel it’s all the more important for a monster to be good on defense

If they can pose enough of an obstacle to potentially take a coin or two away or even make the battle difficult that’s huge

Whereas on offense you have such an advantage it’s easier to pair together niche combos and make less desirable monsters work

[snow cairn]

For necro, I feel like him being able to ress and team immunity is essentially an okay enough reason to plop him on def.

He becomes a meat shield if anything.

[inland trail]

He turns a battle into a 3vs2 ||if you know what I mean||

[little berry]

Use him team speed holder, his two resurrection skills and extra turn skills

[inland trail]

Or don't use him :Bigbrain:

[hardy bough]

^

[dry sierra]

Use sammy instead

:bigbrain:

[little berry]

:Bigbrain:

[hazy escarp]

Use uriel instead
:biggestbrain:

[dry sierra]

Use sammy with an essence monster

:biggestdoublebrain:

[hasty dock]

If Necro only shared Sherezar's A.i....

In the absence of Anticipation, he can show a big fat middle finger to "Lord" Pumpseed even on defence

U'll find that he works reasonably well when not facing Anticipation

[little berry]

No

[covert hill]

My team thats got 2 r4 and 1 r3 beats kronx and pumpseed r5 easily so dnnoo why theres a big hype for pumpseed lol

Or kronx

[hasty dock]

Because most people don't know how to use them

[little berry]

Kronx is kinda wack but pumpseed idk I don’t have him

[hasty dock]

Kronx can shut down Taunt, Megataunt, whatever, and then Pumpseed can unleash all hell upon the enemy team

[covert hill]

I dont think there that good and so over rated

[little berry]

They are overrated

[hasty dock]

Sure, and so is Thalassa and Ragnarok...

[covert hill]

Just another SP tactic to get us buyin too many gems for race and that

Thalassa and rag are good tho

Them warmasters are worth rating about cus they are decent

[hasty dock]

And Pumpseed is not? 🤣

[little berry]

Well yea

[high abyss]

and they arent “exclusive”

[covert hill]

No pumpseed isnt that good thats my point

[hasty dock]

I don't like him being exclusive, but he's on the same page as Thalassa

[high abyss]

^

2nd best denier

thalassa just does what he does in less steps

[hasty dock]

Second? I'd say he's top notch

[high abyss]

id say thall is better

[covert hill]

And me by far

[hasty dock]

For once, he needn't fear Anticipation...

[covert hill]

Once thalassa r5 in battle starts war you dead pumpseed few hookuai moves kills him easily

[hasty dock]

I know most don't have him r5, but he's unmatched at r5

[hazy escarp]

Thalassa still better imo

[high abyss]

he gets beat out by megataunt

[covert hill]

R5 pumpseed aint that strong

[high abyss]

thalassa doesnt

[hasty dock]

Not quite

[high abyss]

oh wait nvm

[hasty dock]

Have u guys actually ever used the guy?

[high abyss]

forgot about carnival

[covert hill]

Thalassa's extra turn moveset makes her stronger

[hasty dock]

No it doesnt

[high abyss]

but true vision is beastly

id have to try an r5 pump to determine whos better

[hasty dock]

If anything, its a major drawback in this era of Eisul-Wyrm-Ragnarok

[high abyss]

i can only speak for thalassa

[covert hill]

Well you team could be dead before you know it when thalassa has her turn

[hasty dock]

Not likely

If anything, I'm more afraid of Sherezar as a denier

[high abyss]

i wouldnt

he gets absolutely destroyed by DA and anticipation

he fell off hard this meta

[hasty dock]

He can bypass resistances, and unless there's a solid Area Dodge support, and the trait doesn't block his random control, he pretty much controls the battle

[covert hill]

His only good with a team who needs stamina for there moves where as hookuai move doesnt need stamina and can beat him

[high abyss]

sherezar got hit by the meta hard

[hasty dock]

He's still good 🤔

[high abyss]

i never said he wasnt

[covert hill]

His decent yes true

[high abyss]

i just said this meta isnt good for him

[hasty dock]

Well, meta keeps evolving 😅

[high abyss]

DA completely shuts him down

[hasty dock]

Nobody sees Thetys-Voltaik teams anymore, do they?

[high abyss]

i just hope this forsaken clown fiesta doesnt continue

60k coins for an r5

smh

[covert hill]

Its stupid aint it?

[high abyss]

very

i got an r5 eisul for way less

[pseudo jolt]

Just drop 200 dollars

[covert hill]

Cant believe this orb offer of 8,500 hasnt came up yet :/

[high abyss]

i dont spent on orbs

i got all my wms f2p

[covert hill]

Fair doos

[high abyss]

spent money on other monsters lol

[covert hill]

Lol aha

[high abyss]

im happy hookuai was a thing before the whole maze change

got him r3 f2p

[covert hill]

Im tryin to build a team up so i wanna get rag and thalassa ranked

[high abyss]

i wanna get r2 rag

no r3 fires though lolol

[covert hill]

Lol

[high abyss]

im still appalled

i got r4 thall

before 1 r3 monster

r3 fire

[covert hill]

Got eisul r0 so cant wait for the bredding event lol

[high abyss]

same the cells are nice to have

[covert hill]

Yes

Im after r3 cells worth so good luck to me lol

[high abyss]

i paid for eisul lololol

knew he would be game changing so i just bought it

[covert hill]

Lol i did with that eisul chest lol

Last month

[high abyss]

o ya

[covert hill]

Do rate him alot tbf

[high abyss]

ive spent too much in this game

ive stopped spending

[covert hill]

Same here

[high abyss]

seeing where the game is going

i dont think its worth paying anymore

they running the game into the ground

[covert hill]

Yes i feel that to

Creating crazy events to :/

Thats why ive just aiming for rag and thalassa to be ranked

Get them r5 ill calm down then lol

Just wanna beat my pb in pvp lol

[high abyss]

same

i can either save my orbs for r2 rag but save for while since i have no r3 fires

or finally get elvira lol

[covert hill]

Shes decent tbf

[high abyss]

yuh

andrej really sold her to me

i was also wantin to rank remntar or get gortak

[covert hill]

Im not too keen on gortak or barbael tbh

[frosty dove]

focus on ranking up one WM

[high abyss]

dont have the monsters unfortunately

[frosty dove]

that's a sham

[high abyss]

and dont have the orbs for r5 thall

[frosty dove]

shame

[high abyss]

wait so r4 thall is 2400 orbs for the first half

how much is the r5 part

i might just get r5 thalassa

[covert hill]

Im waiting on the orb offers

[high abyss]

my water monsters are stacked lol

[covert hill]

Erm floor 6 part 2 is quite alot of orbs tbf

[high abyss]

r4 thall, r4 eisul, r3 hook, r4 gorg

[covert hill]

Thats decent

[high abyss]

ya

luckily they have really good books

so i use all of them very often

[frosty dove]

go for thal

rank her up

[high abyss]

planning on getting my wyrm to r4

yeah i might just do that

then ill go for rag after

[covert hill]

Can always use light cells for him

[high abyss]

i have like 30 light cells lol

[covert hill]

Extract epics or legendaries

[high abyss]

and i dont wanna use my elementium

[covert hill]

Lol

[high abyss]

even if hes worth it

[covert hill]

Wyrmlad is very good

[high abyss]

im waiting for a relic boost

so i can out my mantis on wyrm

[covert hill]

I wanna get him in his progressive event

[high abyss]

i have like 900 relics

im still looking for exclusives too

i just really want sherezars amulet

[covert hill]

Thats good for crafting and leveling up

[frosty dove]

want one

I have 3

[high abyss]

loool

[covert hill]

3 wyrm?

[frosty dove]

4 sherry amulets

*3

[covert hill]

Ohhh

[high abyss]

i need 1 for my sammy

i got xirons essence really early so happy with that

2 talika banners tho so ehhh

[covert hill]

I want a uriel essence to put on wyrmlad when i get him lol

[valid knot]

Who’s in the next war master spot light? Anyone knows???

[hot stirrup]

No one knows until it comes

[little berry]

👀

[little berry]

Remntar

Most likely

[unkempt holly]

Gortak would be great

[hazy escarp]

Santa remntar :beenut:

[fickle acorn]

[inland trail]

Santa gortak
Already has a beard :beenut:

[unkempt holly]

👆

[hazy escarp]

Remntar has a santa belly tho :pepotoast:

[little berry]

He’s a weird blob thing tho

[inland trail]

Thalassa has a santa belly too :emoji_52:

[hazy escarp]

Santa is also a guy :christianserver:

[inland trail]

ArE yOu AsSuMiNg ThEiR gEnDeR

:OkayChamp:

[hazy escarp]

:thenkung:

[inland trail]

I meant santa's gender :sosig:
They is used instead of he/she when we don't know the gender BTW

[hazy escarp]

what’s your point? Santa is a guy and thalassa is a gurl :wowie2:

[little berry]

|bj|

[misty elm]

Gender talk again? Lemme swoop in 😄

[hardy bough]

I have a specific conspiracy theory I think its gonna be Barbael

[fiery skiff]

@hardy bough esplain

[hardy bough]

It might be dumb but bare with me here

So the first Warmaster month we got was Elvira

Which is the light warmaster

[hazy escarp]

Wait elvira is light?

[hardy bough]

The light nemesis monster is llum

Which has a magic weapon as her final weapon

And this month it’s sherezars month he’s magic

[hazy escarp]

Oi that means thalassa in January

I wouldn’t mind that tbh

[hardy bough]

Xiron is the magic nemesis with as her final weapon fire

Therefore in my world next month should be Barbaels month

[hazy escarp]

Santa barbael

[hardy bough]

Does it make sense or am I talking out of my *ss

[hazy escarp]

Eh I’ve had more stupid theories

I thought the rotation would follow this as it ends on special element (rag) and started on light (elvira)

[hardy bough]

That could be true aswell

So next month would be Necro month aka save your orbs month 💁

[thorny meteor]

i might be retarded but what do nemesis souls do

[hardy bough]

You can exchange them for either 25 cells for 50 souls or 3 different chests with random nemesis monsters in them for 100 souls or when its a warmaster month for that specific type of nemesis (like we have the Sherezar month so Xiron is the fitting nemesis) you can get a special deal I don’t quite remember the deal but I believe it’s 80 souls for 60 cells

[thorny meteor]

oh ok ty

[magic thicket]

Saving for necromancer

That's trash

[misty elm]

Necromancer or the saving?

[inland trail]

Necro worst WM

[unkempt holly]

That's the only anticipation monster my charmless is not afraid to go against, so that tells ya smthng

[ember plume]

anticipation shuts necro harder than voltaik

[frozen zodiac]

He’s good if your fighting a Baba Yaga egg eater and jasatur all at the same time

But yea necky ain’t great

[hardy bough]

@magic thicket I meant saving in general for like thalassa or rag

[magic thicket]

Yep

That's good

[onyx cobalt]

I have 1.7k jems no elite souls left do I save the gems for wrymlad and race or open 1 elite chest

[hasty dock]

Go for it... U might get Ugluk or Kronx 😉

[little berry]

RNG :DrakeNo:

[dry sierra]

Kronx not that gewd

[onyx cobalt]

You think I should open one @little berry @hasty dock

[hasty dock]

It depends on how badly u need elites, seeing as SP will continue with Elite wars

As a worst case scenario, u might get Soul Hugger, but the others are still good

[little berry]

Nop

If you really need an Elite it’s smarter to go for one of the better ones guaranteed, especially since you can also choose based on if you have any big weaknesses in an element/book

You get some elementals along the way too :DrakeYea:

[little berry]

I'd save up to get the one that u are guarantied instead of the chest i mean i got lucky in the nemesis days i got ruby and talos but I'd probably end up getting drakor and soul hugger if i went for the chests

[hasty dock]

Drakor's pretty good even without a SG4

People are against chests, so maybe u shouldn't buy them 😅

[little berry]

Drakor is simply not good

[high abyss]

mines r0 so i dont use him

id probs use him a lot more if he was ranked

cuz my fire attackers are trash anyway

[frosty remnant]

Drakor is simple but good, he ain’t no Hook or Ugluk in terms of attacker power though

But he has his own quirks and can be a viable team member

As for Soul Hugger...

Yeah that’d be a good time to quit the game if you get him

[thorn solar]

I got Wyrmlad and Nitro for first and second tried. 50 soul for 25 cells, 200 for 100 is too expensive for me.

[copper elbow]

bro my friend got 2 soul huggers back to back for the only two elite chests he opened

your a lucky guy

[broken venture]

lmao

[old night]

should donate me a soul hugger

[little berry]

Is this a good skillset?

[fiery skiff]

@little berry seems decent actually. I went the dot route and ran dot skills but those are good. I wish the per was a regular skill

[velvet spindle]

I would run drown in your blood instead of ancestors bite

[little berry]

Ancestors bite good against megataunt monsters

[jagged lake]

@little berry what does it do

[little berry]

remove 30% of life from all enemies

[jagged lake]

@little berry but relics will trigger so it you should use when enemy is below 90%

[elfin stream]

Anyone just started floor 4 Sherazar? Want to know which node is the one with Shi Hou on.

Should have paid more attention;I know I was just before that node and have used enough orbs for 12 nodes, but game crashed mid battle and want to work out if it took my orbs or not.

[little berry]

Hello, there is gelotron cell week and i have him r2 with 42 cells. should i get some cells for sherezar dungeon ?

[odd temple]

No, don't

[limpid lichen]

When are next nemesis days for cells? Anyone got any idea?

[little berry]

Probably next Thursday

[limpid lichen]

Awesome 👍 thanks

[unkempt folio]

I hope I get faraday samael or ruby

[limpid lichen]

What's best to go for anyways?

[little berry]

If ur going for unranked ragnork is the best if ur going for a ranked one thalassa is the best gortak and elvira are also pretty good but not needed

[limpid lichen]

👍

[dapper sundial]

What’s the orb count for getting a rank 5 warmaster? How many orbs do I need?

[hazy escarp]

Like 18-19k

[little berry]

19k

[dapper sundial]

Ok thank you

Has anyone calculated how many is needed with the discount for the spotlighted masters each month? 🤔

[little berry]

I think it’s like 15k with the discounts

[hazy escarp]

@dapper sundial

[dapper sundial]

Awesome! Thanks for the help 🙏

[hazy escarp]

Np

[frosty dove]

Np

[little berry]

Pn

[hoary dew]

Is it worth going for warmaster barbari? Im level 60 and have the 1st room complete. If it is worth it, how do i get higher ranked electric monsters (i need 2 more)

[frosty dove]

no

[hoary dew]

So i should go for someone else

[pseudo jolt]

Yes

[frosty dove]

Which element is your strongest?

[pseudo jolt]

Rag, thalassa, and sherezar

Preferably rag if it’s going to be a r0

[little berry]

Honestly just Rag and Thalassa at this point

[hoary dew]

Well either electric or possibly fire???

[pseudo jolt]

I mean those are the top three best wm

Fire wm sucks

[little berry]

Yeah but the gap is too big now to recommend Sherry imo

[pseudo jolt]

True I guess

[hoary dew]

That could work, i do have 3 magic monsters but 2 of them are support

[hazy escarp]

Gortak is pretty good tho

[inland trail]

Elvira still the best for beginners

[hoary dew]

Ill probably go for whichever element that i can get my hands on with good monsters, and if things are going as they seem ill probably go for thalassa with the marathon comingh up

And i would go for elvira but the only good light monster i have is draghar

[frozen crane]

I feel like gortaks the 3rd best wm now instead of sherry

[inland trail]

He's 5th
Sherry and elvira are still better

[hazy escarp]

Nop

[little berry]

Sherry yop

[little berry]

Yop

[tame whale]

skillset for r0 remntar?

[little berry]

Solar Storm, Hard Light Fortress, Photon Bash

Last one can be Hard Light Wall, Solar Sail, or his self skill mirror

[crisp dove]

Best warmaster rn?

[ember plume]

rag thallasa

i would get rag first cause books

[wintry ivy]

Would r1 wyrmlad hassaiand arch knight be good for doing the Elvira dongeon when it comes

[little berry]

Yes

[lilac oak]

I mean you do have weymlad

Wyrmlad ment to say

[little berry]

What

[stoic path]

How much orbs all floors with and without discount? 16600 and 19000?

[fickle acorn]

@stoic path We have the amounts in pinned messages here.

[crisp dove]

What is the best nemesis monster nowadays

[drowsy stream]

Sammy and Ruby

[crisp dove]

U mean samael

[drowsy stream]

FS and PC Sammy are the good ones buy the other one is OK

Yes

And Ruby is good Emerald is OK quartz is bad

[crisp dove]

I am askıng coz next week nemesis days

[magic thicket]

Ye

Llum good too

Faraday

[drowsy stream]

BTW If you're using 200 souls and going for Sammy you can wait for Negro's month

[magic thicket]

Warthak

[drowsy stream]

If you lack attacker Warrthak also good
Anticipator Faraday

[crisp dove]

I have marquis

For anticipation

This my team hornet is r3 bugged cos i got him yesterday

What do i lack

[drowsy stream]

Nadiel Hydratila Lucifire Base Ruby not so good Nadiel Pyromancer and other best forms considerable
Talos base form not so good
Other talos forms good
Faraday Warthak Llum Emerald very good
Sammy Ruby excellent
I feel lack of both deniers and supporters. Go for any one of Ruby and Sammy

[inland trail]

Pyro, luci and hydratila are all very good

And hard for me to see what you lack, just get the nemesis in your weaker elements

Sammy would be a good pick since your dark seem worse than others

[drowsy stream]

Wait I didn't see Wangzhou Go for a supporter I guess but Wangzhou is ruined by relics

[hazy escarp]

Nadiel pyro is good

Luci hopefreezer is good

Hydratila kinda succ tbh

[drowsy stream]

Just anti thetys though there no need of one now

[inland trail]

Hydratila is a good ts holder/attacker, but thalassa just oofs him and everyone else

[hazy escarp]

Yeah

It’s also that hydratila is kinda useless as water has all it needs in all categories

[inland trail]

He's good but no reason to go for him

[unkempt coral]

Who’s good

What

[drowsy stream]

Overall best nemesis are Sammy and Ruby for me and for most of us I guess

[inland trail]

Hydratila

[hazy escarp]

Denier- thalassa/crabbydroid
Support- frosilka
Attacker- hookuai
Tank- eisul

Hydratila really has no use nowadays even if he is decent

[crisp dove]

İ will get thalassa this month

[unkempt coral]

Ew

[hazy escarp]

And this is base form of course

[unkempt coral]

No like hyrdalita

[hazy escarp]

Idk about the other ones

[unkempt coral]

Me thank he big trash

[hazy escarp]

I don’t really think he’s good either

[crisp dove]

Hornet not good?

[hazy escarp]

He’s amazing

[inland trail]

He's quite good

Also remove mr krabs from that list and it'll be perfect stall

[hazy escarp]

I’m giving examples andrej

Of course thalassa is above crabbydroid

[unkempt coral]

Are you feeling it now mr krabs

[hazy escarp]

But crabbydroid will be used

[inland trail]

No other water denier is worthy of mentioning

[hazy escarp]

Eh I’m too lazy to change :wowie:

[inland trail]

Or might as well put gorg and hydratila next to hook :PepoToast:

[unkempt coral]

Am I the only one that think ursus is big Yop

[hazy escarp]

Yes

[inland trail]

Yes

[unkempt coral]

Y

[hazy escarp]

It kills him that he doesn’t have sc pierce

[unkempt coral]

Neither does devastress

But people say she’s good

[hazy escarp]

Because she also has a good trait and no competition in magic

[crisp dove]

I think ı will go with samael samael considering i will get thalassa as well thank you guys

[inland trail]

Ursus is good but being good nowdays means he's trash

[hazy escarp]

And her pierce moves are pretty good

[unkempt coral]

Not rlly

But aight

[inland trail]

Also magic has like two good attackers besides her

[hazy escarp]

Why would i use ursus over hookuai

That’s why he succ

[inland trail]

^

[unkempt coral]

Why would I use pumpseed over thalassa

Does that mean pumpseed succ?

[hazy escarp]

Are we talking about pumpseed vs thalassa?

[inland trail]

Bad example since there are situations where he can be better
Also different elements there

[unkempt coral]

Ugh

[hazy escarp]

What?

[unkempt coral]

You’re saying he sucks because you’d rather use another monster other than him

It makes no sense

[inland trail]

That's not why

[hazy escarp]

I’d rather use him?

[inland trail]

His skills aren't so good in general