monster-discussion

[empty pebble]

I got my first Warmaster!!

[tired ginkgo]

congrats

[limber comet]

good job

[mild wasp]

R0 Remnter/Gortak/Necromancer/Zahra?

[limber comet]

for your first

??

[tawny oxide]

people still going for elvira as their first wm ?

[high abyss]

hehe

[mild wasp]

Can I get Sherezer by r1 Eggeater, r1 wasper and r1 Baron Traitor and level 6 runes?

[high abyss]

yop

[mild wasp]

@high abyss Really? Are you 100% sure? Lol

[echo dragon]

Which wm is the best at lvl 100

[little berry]

@echo dragon rag

[echo dragon]

Kewl

[inland trail]

Well elvira is still the best unranked so

[little berry]

Nop

[shy lion]

The nature one is best

Jk

Lol

[winter river]

Remn /sherry /rag are better unranked than Elvira
Change my mind

[little berry]

No reason to. lol

[spring jolt]

Would eisul work against the last node , second floor of thalassah

With his mega taunt

[little berry]

@spring jolt you can still be abyss bottomed

[inland trail]

Elvira betterer
Evasion, aoe 50% heal, aoe 50% damage protection, single 70 dmg, single 100% damage protection from all elements except light, nice relic slots
Far better than remntar and sherry, she's not just about evasion

[high abyss]

eh id take rag over elvira at 100

[frosty remnant]

Rn I got Rag Shere Rem, still don’t think I need Elvira tbh

[tame whale]

all you need is PER for elvira and you’re done

at least sherry can CDA unranked

[hazy escarp]

Warthak kills Elvira

With marikana

[little berry]

warthak kills everyone tbh

he has an axe or sword for a reason

[hazy escarp]

Cuz the axe splits mountains

And the sword bring the sun

[dusty nymph]

the sword brings the sun definitely makes sense

[inland trail]

I'd like to see the All you need is PER strat against a fast denier, all ts elvira and another all ts monster
Tell me if it works

[dusty nymph]

weren't they talking about for elvira?

dont see anything about a fast denier in there

[inland trail]

Yes but this is not a 1v1
She's got great skills, most OP SC and a good trait, nice relic slots
Rag's definitely not better unranked
This was for the All you need for elvira is PER people

[dusty nymph]

oh

they prob meant all you need is per for all the positive effects elvira gives the team

[inland trail]

Nop

That's not what people mean when they say it

[dusty nymph]

well obviously you cant beat a team with just per

[little berry]

Great skills is pretty iffy

In battles where you don’t need her SC her skills are replaceable by a lot of supporters

[hazy escarp]

@dusty nymph mountainsplitter makes sense too as it shows the power of warthak’s power to split even mountains which dark is strong against

[little berry]

Big brain

[inland trail]

No one in light will replace her damage protection except valgar
She is also the 2nd best light attacker and 2nd/3rd best light support

[unkempt coral]

Why who’s the best attacker

Is it worm lad?

[inland trail]

He's not an attacker and far from the best light one
Iron leader of course

Elemental advantage, two 50 dmg aoes (one PER and special, one metal), single 70 dmg metal
She's an amazing attacker

[unkempt coral]

What the

This makes no sense

[dusty nymph]

@hazy escarp

i know the mountain one makes sense

i was being sarcastic with the sun one

[little berry]

Wyrmlad is Support

[unkempt coral]

No he’s an attacker or a support

[little berry]

Support/curser

[unkempt coral]

Shoosh

[signal heath]

What’s everyone run for remntar runes?

Going to be run with thalassa all X speeds

[little berry]

i mostly see all TS or like 2 TS 1 Life/strength.

[signal heath]

Hey kwamps

I can’t decide and keep wasting gems moving his runes

[little berry]

oof

[signal heath]

Maybe mutated?

Mutated speeds health

?

[fiery skiff]

or or

It all works

[signal heath]

Eh. I had 1 X speed and 2 X healths. Ran with X team speed rag and X speed thalassa that was fun

Might go back to that

[mossy sorrel]

I have r3 Mirak, r1 Zizania, r1 Makugan(have 58 cells) so should I got for Remntar or go for sherry, I got r4 wasp and that's it, if I want I can get a r2 S. BG too

[hazy escarp]

Remntar, he is good at rank 0 where sherezar is just ok @mossy sorrel

They should give gortak, barbael, and Necro status casters

[little berry]

Sherry is good unranked too

[hazy escarp]

Just alright imo

[little berry]

they really should give barbael, gortak and necro SCs but they wont

Nop big good

[hazy escarp]

It’s easy too just give them trait protection, positive effect protection, or a team shield

[little berry]

Necro and Barbael could really use one

[hazy escarp]

Or something else

[little berry]

But yop SP doesn’t do buffs after they release a monster

barbael could really use some buffs imo

for being a warmaster he's pretty....meh

total blind isn't that reliable

[hazy escarp]

He’s the most vulnerable

[little berry]

He’s just kinda bad

and his trait disable (until ranked) only lasts 1 turn so it's hard to use it for a wombo-combo unlike other monsters trait disables which lasts 3 turns.

Yop

[hazy escarp]

Man that’s awful. thought it was 3 turns

[little berry]

I blame Elvira for him sucking

[hazy escarp]

So what do you guys think those three status casters should be?

[little berry]

they should've given him a form of denial alongside Total Blind

Bad teacher

lol

[hazy escarp]

Kek

[pseudo jolt]

Elvira bad teacher

Barbael trash

[hazy escarp]

You know what would would make Necro slightly scarier

Team anticipation SC

[little berry]

that'd be wack

[hazy escarp]

He needs it tho

His stats suck

And he’s a one trick pony

[little berry]

That’d be too stronk imo

what he needs is a better AI

kek

It’s kinda hard cause Necro’s trait is mostly fine

It’s his skills that would need a buff

[hazy escarp]

But he should get a status caster

Just like gortak and barbael do

[little berry]

SC immunity to instant death

ezpz

O

Kramp big brain

[hazy escarp]

That’s worse than thalassa’s lmao

They’d do that too

[little berry]

never said it'd have to be a good SC

Makes sense tho

[hazy escarp]

Sadly

[little berry]

Thalassa’s SC is pretty good too

[hazy escarp]

It is but it ain’t remntar‘s or Elvira’s

[little berry]

Fair

[pseudo jolt]

It’s good for extra turners

[little berry]

not really since they burn through it quickly

Good for everyone that gets hit by a stamina draining relic

[hazy escarp]

I guess but that’s pretty niche

[little berry]

it only lasts like what 3 turns?

[hazy escarp]

Ye

Madam fusion also has a team stamina Regen+50% stamina which is better imo

[little berry]

what if Gortak had a SC stun

[hazy escarp]

Lmao that would be op

[little berry]

would it effect DA monsters tho?

[hazy escarp]

No

[little berry]

i wanna assume it wont

Nop

[hazy escarp]

Honestly gortak should have team control immunity sc

[little berry]

Too stronk

tbh i feel like a DoT SC would suit him

something like SC Quicksand

maybe

That would make sense

[hazy escarp]

I think the sc should just stick to support tho

[little berry]

His couldn’t be too crazy otherwise he’d be a powerhouse

[hazy escarp]

Like all the other ones are

[little berry]

Hmmst

either DoT or something like SC ..% Life shield or SC Shield Block

maybe

Maybe like 50% damage reduction from dark based attacks?

that'd work

[hazy escarp]

Sc aoe guard down lmao

[little berry]

that would stop Warthak MS from heccing him

probably

Yop

[hazy escarp]

@little berry “marikana wraiths you”

[little berry]

:wowie:

barbael should get a DoT SC

imo

SC Ignition? SC Sunburn? idk

both of those are already used by Saulot and Draghar respectively so im trying to think of something new for barbael

Hecc

[hazy escarp]

Maybe a team trait protection

Cuz he hates traits

[little berry]

O

That would be big strong

But he kinds needs it

hmm

SC total blind would be too stronk right?

[hazy escarp]

Yes

[little berry]

i mean with Elvira and DA littering the PvP Boards i would assume nop

o

hecc

[hazy escarp]

Who’s DA?

[little berry]

Dodge Area

[hazy escarp]

Oh yeah. I’m dumb

Am I the only one irritated that nadiel and talos have nothing to do with Holter or Alces?

I know it’s random

[little berry]

Nadiel kinda does

Not anything personal just thinks Alces is incompetent

im more upset that remntar didn't have anything to do with Talos

like cmon

Talos could, if SP ever decides to update his lore

[hazy escarp]

Nadiel just wants to put a closed sign on the forest

[mossy sorrel]

So I should go for remy

[little berry]

sure why not

[hazy escarp]

Yes

[mossy sorrel]

[little berry]

Nadiel big yop

Boi just wants to protect his home

[hazy escarp]

Lmao is that why he is called the pyromancer too?

[little berry]

Gotta fight fire with fire

when the hecc does thalassa come back

i want my r1 squid mama

Beginning of next month

[hazy escarp]

First week of September

[little berry]

hecc

[mossy sorrel]

Ok imma go and do some wm dungeon, I did ragg dungeon a week ago and got 96 cells now I guess I can complete remy dungeon and not end up getting stuck in the last nodes 🤞

[hazy escarp]

Ok

[little berry]

Elementals will help with ranking Ziz

[hazy escarp]

These new elites are confusing

[little berry]

i need to do gortaks dungeon

for my MS

sooner or later

[hazy escarp]

Cain, soul hugger, and drakor shouldn’t be elites

[little berry]

Nitro shouldn't as well but here we are

True

[hazy escarp]

At least he sticks to the skills group 4 thing

[little berry]

i guess

SP has no idea what they’re doing with elites

^^^^

feels like it

[hazy escarp]

I know

3 fires

2 darks

Only one non attacker

2 if you count wyrmlad

[little berry]

Really makes it feel even more like they’re just throwing a fancy title on monsters to market them

yeah

[hazy escarp]

Yup

[little berry]

doesn't help that they're being added to mazes just to increase the prices

[hazy escarp]

At least nemesis followed their own rules

[little berry]

Except Hydra

Yop Kramp

the vips are like the only ones that followed their own rules

all have the same trait

[hazy escarp]

@little berry yeah, I’d rather have a r3 zeighar than a r2 nitro

[little berry]

all have 3 skills groups

[hazy escarp]

And look cool

[little berry]

i wonder what the next mazes elite will be

probably another attacker

[hazy escarp]

Elite dark attacker

[little berry]

Nop

Need more fire

o u right

[hazy escarp]

Got me there

[little berry]

cant have enough fire attackers

[hazy escarp]

Fire is lacking in attackers

[little berry]

i wouldn't mind a magic tank being the next elite tbh

we don't have a decent one yet do we?

[hazy escarp]

Or an earth denier

[little berry]

another earth denier would be nice

[hazy escarp]

@little berry Shannara bodyguard is good

[little berry]

hecc i wouldn't even mind another fire denier tbh

SBG would still be pretty good

And Magic needs a tank

[hazy escarp]

We don’t need anymore tanks rn

We have koralle and clipeum

[little berry]

Fair

[hazy escarp]

And especially Dunn, Mephisto, and Eisul

[little berry]

They are getting pretty annoying

More so the mega taunters

lets get a fire denier 🙌

we only have like 3

[hazy escarp]

Does barbael count?

[little berry]

Nop

i'm personally not counting him simply cause TB isn't as reliable as a deny

He counts under gold farmer

[hazy escarp]

Kek

[little berry]

Denier Elite would be interesting

yeah

[hazy escarp]

Has to be half attacker tho. Scratch that, all attacker

[little berry]

plus we don't have an elite denier yet

fire, dark, light and metal are the only elements with elites right?

[hazy escarp]

Water too

[little berry]

whom

the water elite

[hazy escarp]

Gorg

[little berry]

o

Gorg

forgot about him

kek

[hazy escarp]

We are missing magic, lightning, earth and nature for elite

[little berry]

Hook hecced him like a week after he came out

earth denier for next elite 🙌

[hazy escarp]

Full on support would be really interesting too

[little berry]

actually no

Thunder needs help too

[hazy escarp]

We only have like zameleon and basthet

[little berry]

i dont want baba being dethroned as top earth denier yet

Neo, Fara, and Babari have been carrying that element for a while now

[hazy escarp]

Also volthar

[little berry]

Volthar is pretty decent too I guess

thunder denier that focuses on CDA maybe?

[hazy escarp]

Storm beard

[little berry]

o hecc

[hazy escarp]

Wait what does Toshiro do again?

[little berry]

They get big hecced by Zyla or Volt

[hazy escarp]

He’s so forgettable lmao

[little berry]

he's an attacker

i think

[hazy escarp]

I thought he could be a tank too

[little berry]

oooo

toshiro has the same

attack stat

as hook

[hazy escarp]

Why is lightning so forgettable?

[little berry]

3619

Cause it’s pretty weak

[hazy escarp]

Almost as weak as nature

[little berry]

nature need huge buff tbh

[hazy escarp]

You can count all the good nature monsters on one hand lmao

[little berry]

Silverleaf was a step in the right direction imo

Only role Nature is doing well in is denier

Cause O’Reilly and Silver are carrying

[hazy escarp]

Nadiel and charmless are good attackers

Pyro btw

[little berry]

Always count Pyro as a curser but he works as an attacker too

[hazy escarp]

You right. But his aoe doe 45 fire too

[mossy sorrel]

Whom should I rank up for the second floor? Maku or Wang

[little berry]

Ziz

[hazy escarp]

^

[mossy sorrel]

Ziz to r3? It will be very costly tho I mean I have to use all my elementium and elemental cells

Or u mean r2

[hazy escarp]

R2

[mossy sorrel]

Hmm ok ty

[mossy sorrel]

@little berry sorry for the pong but if I rank up ziz then I will only have 2 monsters, also I have completed this far with only mirak and ziz

Wang can help since he can be a ts holder who can curse and stamina drain but I'm confused

[tawny oxide]

as long as your mirak outspeeds the enemies it should be easy

[mossy sorrel]

The random debuff is killing me

Daze and blind are so annoying

[tawny oxide]

that's the team i used. i swapped the lvl 7 strength rune on ziz to a teamspeed one

[pseudo jolt]

Yikes base talos

[tawny oxide]

he did a good job tho

[mossy sorrel]

I spaw the 6 strengths with ts when needed

[little berry]

Do you have an epic/rare you can use as a placeholder?

Not worth pumping elementals into someone just for the dungeon imo

[mossy sorrel]

No I don't have any epic Or rare but lemme me see if I can rank them any good one

[mossy sorrel]

Why in the world I always stuck at last node

[fickle acorn]

RIP

[mossy sorrel]

Both of the wm dungeon I did within 2 week, I was saving orbs from a long time bit I'm feeling dead now

[tame whale]

tips for necromancer last node?

[velvet spindle]

Kill Necro first

[tame whale]

who else is on the node?

[velvet spindle]

First floor or second floor?

[tame whale]

2nd

[velvet spindle]

Tesaday, Pigredo

[tame whale]

pigredo has CDA doesn't he?

[velvet spindle]

I don't think so

[tame whale]

wait what does he look like?

@velvet spindle what does he look like?

[velvet spindle]

I don't know how to explain

He is an earth monster

Search

[tame whale]

does he look like clay face?

from batman

[velvet spindle]

I never watched batman

[tame whale]

is he like a brown lump laying on the ground?

[velvet spindle]

Yes

[dusty nymph]

tesaday is the floating thing

[tame whale]

yeah h has CDA

he*

[velvet spindle]

He didn't use his cda when i fought him 🙅

[tame whale]

oh well that's good news

teseday isn't that much of a problem

i'll just stunn pigredo and try and kill necro

[dusty nymph]

use dunn ra and helgudin

[tame whale]

yeah uhh i don't have them lol

only jasastur

marihelson and rhodent as ts

[dusty nymph]

are you faster than them

[tame whale]

but i've been doing well only 3 nodes left and haven't done bad yet

i'm not there yet i'm waiting for the dungeon to come back around

3 nodes lefrt

left*

[dusty nymph]

oh wait i was about to ask how you are doing it when it's remntar and elvira

[tame whale]

nah lmao

remntar is next though

i'm using hackster mirak and hbg

hbg is impressively well since the monsters have healing relics

[dusty nymph]

i auto battle through all remntar 1 and 2

[tame whale]

with who

[dusty nymph]

mirak ziz and holter

[tame whale]

holter bg or general?

[dusty nymph]

bg

[tame whale]

wow our teams arent that different

[dusty nymph]

bg pretty good

[tame whale]

yeah cuz of the healing relics

and he heals allies and NER

[dusty nymph]

and shield

[tame whale]

i feel like he's the best monster in the team shop

[dusty nymph]

maybe

best support though

[tame whale]

well theres really only hbg and thetys that i can think off

of*

shannaras bg is pretty good though

and general darmith best attacker there

[dusty nymph]

hbg only bg i have

[tame whale]

i have bhg and sbg

i had urias bg but i sold her

[dusty nymph]

😂

sbg next best bg?

[tame whale]

yeah probably

actually

i personally like dbg better so imo

1. hbg
2. dbg
3. sbg

[dusty nymph]

i dont even know what any other bg can do

[tame whale]

thetys bg can.. uh.. well..

let's not talk about him

urias bg can AoE 2x dmg, AoE dmg boost + precision, NER, blind

nishants bg can apply evasion, dmg reduction, and dark weakness

[dusty nymph]

urias bg pretty good then

[tame whale]

1. holters bg
2. darmiths bg
3. nishants bg
4. shannaras bg

have you ever used her?

a lot?

[dusty nymph]

dont even have her

[tame whale]

yeah she's awful

thats why i sold her

[dusty nymph]

oh makes sense

are it's stats bad or something?

[tame whale]

literally a bunch of monsters have NER + dmg boost

[dusty nymph]

cause the skills dont seem too bad

[tame whale]

well just everything she does can be PERed

she's just a punching bag in a fight

pwr: 3,300
hp: 28,651
spe: 3.476
@dusty nymph

[dusty nymph]

yeah not too good

[mossy sorrel]

Oh boiiiii I didn't think that I can complete it with only 2 mons, mirak is a One Women Army 😍

Hopefully I can also get the last 4 cells for ragg

Also in the last node Mirak lived at 273 life and still killed Remn with 20k life

[dusty nymph]

using two monsters makes mirak one women army??

[tame whale]

🤔

[mossy sorrel]

@dusty nymph bcz she was the one doing everything, in the last node ziz did nothing

So yeah mirak is one women army 💂💂💂

[hazy escarp]

I have 1679 orbs. Should I go for R1 Thalassa or r0 ragnarok? I’m over a third of the way done in thalassa’s dungeon

Floor 3

[little berry]

rag

[brittle hemlock]

Ghost ping. Not cool.

[hazy escarp]

Will R1 Goran, R1 warrior, and r2 warthak mountainsplitter cut it?

@little berry

[misty elm]

Ragnarok?

[hazy escarp]

Yes

Floor 2

[tired ginkgo]

i think its possible with those monsters 🤔

[hazy escarp]

Well warthak can’t be denied and Goran can single stun and give a single 75% shield and NER

So yeah, I could do it

[misty elm]

Goran's only vulnerable to possession, Warrior is immune to stun

[fiery skiff]

Who's the better support Sammy pc or wyrmlad?

[tame whale]

@fiery skiff i'd say sammy since he's full support. wyrm is meant to be versatile so he doesn't have as good support skills as sammy has

[fiery skiff]

Alright thanks. @tame whale I had thought sammy was better was unsure.

[tame whale]

np

[quartz burrow]

What would be the best 2 to pair with Saika for the Elvira dungeon if I see them this week for either cells or monster week?

[fiery skiff]

Draghar

And hmmmm al canine I guess.

Oh lighterium

Saika draghar and lighterium

[quartz burrow]

OK. Thanks @fiery skiff

[eager sage]

How far can u get in Elvira dungeon with just Lighterium

I only have 1 ranked light monster who’s is Lighterium and I’m almost halfway through the 2nd floor

[inland trail]

Sammy isn't only a full support, but an OP attacker too
He's muxh better than wyrm in every aspect

[misty elm]

Ehh

[storm lion]

Nope Light Sammy possesses the highest power but he doesn't really provide as much utility as an attacker as Wyrmlad

*Light sammy possesses the highest power between all the sammys

[inland trail]

Wyrm is a bad attacker while FS is the best one in the game

Also base power hardly matters

That's not what makes FS amazing

[fiery skiff]

FS best attacker in the game?

What

[misty elm]

Yeah, what? 😄

[inland trail]

I don't think you realize how OP sammy is

[small stag]

You guys are always talking how good Froslika is for WM Thalassa.
Now she is in the lab shop for 325 gems.

Normally that is way too much for 120 cells, Froslika worth it or not for this amount?

[little berry]

i would say she's worth it as she's one of the best water monsters in-game and she doesn't really pop up in offers much.

[inland trail]

She can't touch thalassa without the appropriate teammates

But 2nd best water

[small stag]

No of course, team of 3 is the key. But Froslika is amazing

[inland trail]

About FS his only competition would be warthak ans talos, but I don't see them being better by any means

[storm lion]

Uh. What? Fully ranked up, Wyrmlad is the best light attacker in the game. He can DESTROY dragons, giving him the edge against an ENTIRE book. Dont forget about the dodge area trait and celestial as well. Wyrmlad also possesses a 2 PER and high range single attack, along with AOES that apply sunburn, CURSE, and PEB

[inland trail]

Best light attacker can destroy dragons

Also he'd be a good attacker by 2016 standards
And dragon book is mainly wack so you won't be seeing much of them unless it's a restriction

Unlike wyrmlad, sammy, talos, warthak, faraday, metal llum, gortak, elvira, hook etc. don't need specific restrictions to be amazing attackers

[halcyon scroll]

Is Frosilka better than Hookuai?

[inland trail]

Yes

[high abyss]

give a round of applause for andrej

the reigning champ of unpopular opinions

[limber comet]

lol

[little berry]

i mean, can you really compare the two? Frosilka being a supporter while Hook is an attacker

[frosty remnant]

@inland trail tbh can you explain attacking Sammy to me

[inland trail]

What's there to explain?
70 dmg single skills (DOTs (Blind for the FS)), Pain Scourge (Best skill in the game), 55 dmg 0 CD skill and DOTs, and either a 100 or 50% damage boost (also gives stamina) making PS a 60-80 dmg aoe, 105-140 dmg single attack and a 82.5-110 0 CD
Also bulwark, sherry's amulet deals additional damage, versatility

[frosty remnant]

Tbh Sammy just never seemed like an attacker to me

[inland trail]

Oh he's one of the, if not the best attacker out there

[hazy escarp]

Doesn’t he have like one attacking move? Lmao

[fiery skiff]

Guess that's all u need

[little berry]

attacker Samael is lit

[inland trail]

70 dmg skill only has a 1 CD though
So yes, all you need lol

[severe junco]

2k orbs 😈

[little berry]

Hook better than Fros change my mind

[winter river]

Andrej joined the chat
Andrej:who is dissing ruby/Sammy?
Everyone left the chat 🙁

[inland trail]

People fear the angry chocolate box with big teeth

[frosty remnant]

Andrej runs Ruby as an attacker

[fickle acorn]

[jagged lake]

Lol

I run remntar as denier got me to 6k trophies

[fiery skiff]

What the what

[jagged lake]

[elfin magnet]

Remntar seems really fun to use

[pseudo jolt]

@inland trail

What about warthak?

Sammy is made as a support

Warthak is just a better

As an attacker of course

[inland trail]

Well, sammy has a better trait, relic slots and is able to dish out more damage thanks to his TTs

[winter river]

I don’t see how bulwark is better than control immunity they both have their uses

[inland trail]

Because he's not weak against DOTs/accuracy reducing effects/damage reducing effects

[winter river]

true vision exist

[little berry]

you say sammy is really good right

then which sammy would you say is the best

[winter river]

Like the fact sherry make sammy have to trait 😂

PC is best imo

Best TT move

Andrej probably agree

[little berry]

lucky i got pc then

i was kind of of regretting not going for fs

[inland trail]

Yeah PC

Sherry is just one monster though, not a very good argument

[winter river]

Pierceid/lighterium and what makes you think sp will stop there and since nemesis became f2p sp will run after them

[inland trail]

Lighterium

Battle will be a lot longer than 1 turn

[pseudo jolt]

@inland trail

Either you’re biased towards Sammy or something

[inland trail]

Nop

[pseudo jolt]

Saying that Sammy is better

Better

[inland trail]

Than who?

[pseudo jolt]

Than everyone

You literally said he’s one of the best attackers

[inland trail]

Well he is

[pseudo jolt]

You do realize warthak has an 80%, a 70%, and 2 60% moves?

Sammy is intended to be a support

[inland trail]

No one uses the 70 dmg one and dawson ghost is hardly used

And I do, I got both at 130

[pseudo jolt]

I’m not going to argue because you probably are heavily biased towards Sammy

[inland trail]

Intended to be a support doesn't mean he can't be an attacker

[pseudo jolt]

That’s the thing

You said he’s one of the best attackers

He’s not

He only has one 70% and that’s it

[inland trail]

And a little 50%/100% dmg boost+50%/100% stamina and an extra turn

But OK, let's ignore some of the best skills in the game to make warthak better

[pseudo jolt]

That is why he serves the purpose of one of the best support

[inland trail]

And attackers

[autumn valve]

any monster with revival skill, op healing skill, aoe 0 dmg per dot, aoe per ner

[inland trail]

105 dmg skill and 140 dmg skill with additional effects and a 1 turn CD

[autumn valve]

is a support.

[inland trail]

He is a support, by far the best one, but doesn't mean he needs to be limited to that role

[autumn valve]

he has some heavy stuff

but it's mostly covered by his support skills

[inland trail]

[fickle acorn]

I run my FS Sammy as an attacker.

[inland trail]

As you should

[fickle acorn]

He's great.

[autumn valve]

GaSp iT's aLeX

[fickle acorn]

gAsP

[autumn valve]

henlo fren

❤

[fickle acorn]

[pseudo jolt]

Sure, Sammy can be an attacker, but he’s far from being one of the best

[inland trail]

Actually he isn't

[pseudo jolt]

I agree with him not being limited to one role

[autumn valve]

he is never gonna be called an attacker

[frosty remnant]

Did someone say A l e x

[pseudo jolt]

It’s just that you consider him as one of the best attackers

[inland trail]

Yes

[autumn valve]

there are just these monsters that don't work for 2 roles

[frosty remnant]

nice

[autumn valve]

for example, damise

[inland trail]

But he does

[autumn valve]

demise*

[inland trail]

Very well

[autumn valve]

hookuai

some monster are just pure

[inland trail]

But he isn't

[autumn valve]

hookuai is pure attacker

[pseudo jolt]

I looked at his best moves and

Sammy pc has a 70% and 40%

[inland trail]

I have all the best attackers in the game at 130 (of course not on my main acc kek) so it's not hard for me to judge

And 55 0 CD

As does FS

[pseudo jolt]

Are you using a private server?

[inland trail]

No

Just running a teammate's acc and an elite one was given to me

[fickle acorn]

Omg it's a Trunko.

[little berry]

omg its Alex

[fickle acorn]

Omg it's Krampus.

[little berry]

❤

[fickle acorn]

[frosty remnant]

omg I've been noticed

[fickle acorn]

[autumn valve]

[fiery skiff]

Is it r2 that Sammy learns Samuel warrior

?

[little berry]

r3

r2 is pestilence

^

R1 is 100% life res

[fiery skiff]

Alright thanks

[mild wasp]

Can I get Sherezer by
R1 eggeater, r1 shannara's bodyguard, r1 wasper
And level 6 runes?

[velvet spindle]

Yes

[little berry]

@mild wasp it will be a little tough

but duable

[mild wasp]

Tough doesn't matter but can I surely get him? Cz if not sure then I'll go for another warmaster

[little berry]

if you dont have rag go for him before sherry

[mild wasp]

I have Ragnarok

[misty elm]

What's the next rotation?

[fiery skiff]

Sherry thalassa and the earth one I think @misty elm

[misty elm]

Nice

[fiery skiff]

I'm testing out Sammy FS as an attacker and trying to see what andrej sees. I'm 50/50 I can kinda almost see it. He is a decent attacker but the best is debatable

[misty elm]

Rank 3 Thalassa next week

[fiery skiff]

Nice

[small stag]

If I may ask, which monsters are you using?

[misty elm]

Me?

[small stag]

Yes :)

[misty elm]

Well, Gorg is 100%, don't know about the rest 😄

[small stag]

Haha Gorg rank4 then!? Nice!

[misty elm]

Two monsters are close to 120, Kihaku and Blob

[small stag]

Very nice!

[misty elm]

But I might just do two Mersnakes

[small stag]

😂

Did you get Gorg r4 back when he came out or invested elemental cells?
If so, did you take time to grind water cells? Because with all the events going on I cant find the time to really get huge numbers of cells without just waiting a year with dungeon and some lucky breeding event.

[high abyss]

epic breeding yo

i got my gorg r4 just from extracting epics

[misty elm]

Yeah, Mushu meat is tasty

[fiery skiff]

That's so weird lol

Musu meat 🍗

We gone hunt some musu this afternoon if u wanna join

[frosty remnant]

I almost ranked Gorg when I had a lot of water cells, but I used them so I can R3 my Hookuai :v

Rn I’m actually saving my water cells for Gorg

[little berry]

:DrakeYea:

i hope i get gorg from elite chest

or dumb ra

[misty elm]

I only ranked Gorg, because he was already higher ranked then Hook

Also he had 3 slots unlocked

[small stag]

I see, thanks guys, will try and find the slots to do some musu breeding!

[hazy escarp]

Can R2 warthak mountainsplitter, R1 Goran, and R1 warrior beat ragnarok floor 2?

[little berry]

probably

[hazy escarp]

Any nodes I should look out for?

@little berry

[little berry]

O

hmm

i cant remember any hard nodes exactly. I think you'll be fine, warthak can PER anything rag throws up while goran and warrior does their thing.

also helps that warthak could potentially oneshot gortak/hiriom during the last node

[sly oar]

Anyone has a photo of how many coins do I need for each floor in warmaster dungeons?

[misty elm]

Why photo?

It's pinned here, but here ya go:

1st floor 20x40 =800
2nd floor 25x60 = 1500
3rd floor 30x80 = 2400
4th floor 35x100=3500
5th floor 40x120=4800
6th floor 45x150=6750

[little berry]

is warmaster gortak good

[high abyss]

yop

[hazy escarp]

Yes, very good

[unkempt holly]

Gortak ranks around 5/6 th in wm ranks

[little berry]

X to doubt

[unkempt coral]

Thalassa

Then rag and sherry

Then remntar I would say?

Then gortak

Zahra

[little berry]

Bottom are Necro and Barbael

[unkempt coral]

Yop

[little berry]

Then Zahra probably

Middle four are pretty open tho

[unkempt coral]

Gotta give love to my mans barbari

[pseudo jolt]

How the heck is barbari in dragon books?

[unkempt coral]

Magic

[little berry]

No real reason tbh

SP just wanted him there

[unkempt coral]

Dragons like big beards

[little berry]

Guess you could say he’s like Drakor

But no indication of that in lore

[pseudo jolt]

And how is wrymlad in dragon books?

[little berry]

He’s half dragon

[pseudo jolt]

Isn’t he just a human under armor lol

[little berry]

Like Drakor

because yes

[unkempt coral]

Because he’s related to rayquaza

[pseudo jolt]

Wrym is just a human with armor lol

[little berry]

Big brain

[unkempt coral]

Wyrm is rayquazas distant cousin

They start throwing down at family reunions because wyrmlad became a dragon hunter

Even though he’s part dragon

[hazy escarp]

Is anyone confused that Narok and nitro are superheroes

[little berry]

Books don’t make sense a lot of times

[pseudo jolt]

Sunblast is in superheroes and villains

[hazy escarp]

And families

He’s not even related to firestorm lmao

[gilded aspen]

Hey guys

Best team to go up against Remntar Floor 2? (I'm stuck on Hirondeleor) 😐

[frosty remnant]

@gilded aspen specific monsters?

[dusty nymph]

mirak

[gilded aspen]

For the part I'm on or what monsters I own?

Cause the part I'm stuck on is Hirondeleor, Arcade, and Keithor

[little berry]

I have Xiron the ruby and Sam the plague

Is thalassa worth getting first?

Also have pierced

[gilded aspen]

Scratch what I said about being stuck. I beat it

[mossy sorrel]

@little berry nop go for Ragg or sherry or remn

[little berry]

Thanks bro

[mossy sorrel]

Np

[mossy sorrel]

My first wm, only need 4 more cells of ragg to craft him

[little berry]

gz

[mossy sorrel]

Thanks

[little berry]

is warmaster Elvira

good

[slim mango]

i just got my rank 1 necro

couple days ago

and i have done around 10 nodes on his dungeon(the one to rank 2)

should i get him rank 2 or get another wm

i have elvira, raggy and sherezar

[inland trail]

@slim mango necro is trash so work on others
@little berry yes

[slim mango]

🤔

how is he trash though

@inland trail

[inland trail]

No one uses possession anymore
Skills revolve around extra turns but shares all books with rag
Skills are wack in general

Also rart AI

[slim mango]

who should i go for then

[inland trail]

Look at what element is your weakest and go for that one

[slim mango]

ty

[fiery skiff]

@inland trail been using FS as attacker and idk man. I'm 50/50. He's a good attacker but hes missing something idk what it is. But it's not there.

[inland trail]

Pvp or war? PC is better as attacker in pvp now

And if you compare him to warthak/talos (only monsters I see as his competition), their strongest single attack is 80, sammy can make his aoe 80
Not to mention the effects of that skill

[fiery skiff]

PC?

Isn't he more on the support side

Pc huh. Alright I'll give it a go and might actually be surprised at how good he is as an attacker

[inland trail]

I said in pvp though
War wise FS is usually better

But in pvp PC has an elemental advantage against wyrm

[little berry]

@inland trail what talos would you say is the best ?

[inland trail]

Magic or nature
Magic may be slighly better

[little berry]

i have the magic talos at r1

is he worth ranking up

[inland trail]

Since possession is useless now and he has an elemental advantage (although his 0 CD skill is weaker)
Worth for sure

[little berry]

how can i ruby

the nemesis

[tawny oxide]

wdym @little berry

[little berry]

How is possession useless @inland trail

[inland trail]

@little berry you're essentially giving the enemy free stamina and a recently controlled effect

[little berry]

Isn’t it better to get stamina over letting them do their strategy?

[inland trail]

AI and strategy
It's better to deny them with another deny effect instead

[little berry]

So you’re saying eisul sucks then?

[inland trail]

Wot? How did you interprent that?

Also I hope you realize his skills are wack
He's all about his trait and SC

[little berry]

Well isn’t his main gig possession?

I see

[inland trail]

Abaolutely not
He's hardly gonna be getting turns anyway

[fiery skiff]

^

[little berry]

Are the nemesis chests corming back anytime soon?

cause i just got 100 nemesis souls

And what chest is best to buy?

like 3 - 2 weeks

@little berry

if you have 0 nemesis then chest 1

Thanks

Np

[tawny oxide]

should come after the race so in about 2 weeks

[dry sierra]

10th september

[unreal pulsar]

Does anyone know when the next nemesis days will come out?

[little berry]

2- 3 weeks

@unreal pulsar

[unreal pulsar]

Welp gotta play the waiting game,thx

[little berry]

Np

[jagged lake]

@inland trail what the hell os your problem you feel like your the smartest guy

[jagged lake]

@little berry did he get change

[mossy sorrel]

ιт'ѕ ʝυѕт тнαт тнєяє αяє вєттєя мσηѕтєяѕ ιη тнє вσσкѕ αη∂ єℓємєηт нє ιѕ ѕσ ρρℓ ∂ση'т υѕє нιм тнαт σƒтєη

[little berry]

I still find him extremely helpful in certain situations. My Necromancer sees the battlefield frequently 🤷

[inland trail]

It's not that I don't use him often, my arguments are never about how often a monster is used since there are alot of outside factors in that argument and it ultimatley doesn't give you a picture of what monster is better
It's just that necro is plain bad, sharing all books with a very common anticipator and being all about extra turns won't get you far
Not to mention his AI
Also he's in the strongest element and there's no reason to use him as a support over sammy, especially since possession only exists in random control effects nowdays and only makes you recharge

[kind crane]

I’d say water is strongest element

By far

But the rest is right 😏

[inland trail]

Water has been getting pretty stacked recently

But it doesn't really have as many OP monsters as dark or light, and it's missing depth

[austere compass]

Finnaly got my first warmaster!

[misty elm]

👏

[austere compass]

Thx

[kind crane]

Eisul/Thalassa/Hook/Gorg/Frosilka/Zimnyaya

Water stacked

Bryn is nifty

It’s just an expensive element. Light more ftp

[dry sierra]

Zimnyaya works fine with jazzy mask

[inland trail]

Thetys is great for offense and kihaku is still pretty good
But after them and a few more it becomes a lot weaker
Light and dark are great outside their top 10

[kind crane]

Only like 4 get used from dark tho

Whilst waters are still used in war

[inland trail]

True, but it's because those darks have a lot of versatility and are just OP monsters
Thalassa is the only truly OP water

[coral flint]

Honestly idk how necro is the worst wm unranked is pretty bad but he is good ranked the only thing making him bad is the fact that rag is just him but better same books turn transfer and res which is dumb since wm themselves shouldn't outclass each other he isn't that good since everyone has anticipation but he holds up definitely better then barbael and zahra and babari I'll say

[dry sierra]

Tell me a reason that he is good

[severe junco]

he can uhhh

resurrect?

[fleet oriole]

His AI doesn’t 🤣

[unkempt coral]

Thalassa outclasses every wm

So you think they should all be as op as thalassa or all be as bad as necro ?

[restive fog]

🦑

[spring jolt]

I need help , I don't know who to use against thalassa in 2nd floor

And please don't say gorg or hook because I don't have them atm😂

[dusty nymph]

use thalassa

she's a pretty good denier

[hazy escarp]

@spring jolt I used blob, loa, and zimnaya

[unreal pulsar]

Isn’t loa a nature?

[little berry]

Lord Of Atlantis

loa

[spring jolt]

All rank one? @little berry and what level runes did you have?

[coral flint]

@unkempt coral outclassed doesn't mean better in general it means better in the same role also hi cheese haven't seen you in a while

[unkempt coral]

Lol

[magic thicket]

@coral flint that resurrection and TT skill won't help u much

He is not a great supporter compared to Sammy pc and fs

And rag is better

[coral flint]

Idc

[shy lion]

getting my first wm next month xd

[autumn valve]

nice!

[little berry]

rag ?

[shy lion]

Elvira xd

i started doing her but im going for him or Thalassa next

[grizzled mirage]

Hi pranav

Got thalassa at rank 2, going for 3, plankton eater is so over powered

[unkempt coral]

Why you saying hi to yourself

Wait

[grizzled mirage]

Its actually not me, that's the funny part

[unkempt coral]

Yeah you are

I saw you get the rare role

Don’t lie

[high abyss]

there are 2 pranavs

lol

[unkempt coral]

Wait what why

That’s a bit stoopid

[grizzled mirage]

It is me lol

I do have a rank 2 thalassa

[unkempt coral]

Stop confusing me

Are you the same person or not

[fiery skiff]

Lol

[eager sage]

for sherezar what team should i use. I have geolotron, lumoona, gold field, worker hulk, panda claus,

[fiery skiff]

Gelo lemon n gold ig

@eager sage

[grizzled mirage]

No not the same person, just wierd

[unkempt coral]

Are you like brothers or smth

[pine mango]

Would neo alex bone and the extra turn rare forgot his name be good for floor 3 for rag?

[hazy escarp]

Sure

[pine mango]

Am also going to use narokk or how ever you spell his name

[hazy escarp]

Volray?

Kaori?

[pine mango]

And maybe mop if my team is going for rank 2 but i don't think can

Its a rare

[little berry]

rhodent

or whatever

[pine mango]

Yeah him

[boreal kernel]

@magic thicket

Nani

[magic thicket]

Ya nani

😂

[misty elm]

Mountainsplitter Warthak using Sunbringer Stroke is so satisfying

[tame whale]

@misty elm how?

wait what

[misty elm]

Hehe 😄

Skill Mirror

[little berry]

guys

do you think for a attack team in the arena

Ragnarock Xiron the ruby and Samael the fever scatterer is a good team?

[severe junco]

Yeah very good team

[little berry]

@little berry if ruby aint r3 or up don't run ruby

I mean

I still dont have ruby

i mean

i got 200 nemesis souls

and i want to buy her

and right now

can you get her to r3 ?

i got enough magic cells for rank 2 and after race i will be able to rank 3 her with elmintium

yes i can

good

if ruby isn't r3 she is un usable

why

what ability do you get at rank 3

the 2 control skills?

yeah

explosion is at r3

oh

okay thanks

Np

r2 is laying odds

r1 mineral blood

[mossy sorrel]

🤔

[grizzled mirage]

Implosion makes ruby great as well

[little berry]

how many elemental cells do you get per floor on average

[little berry]

@little berry depends on the floor

[unkempt coral]

And your luck with the spins

[little berry]

Floor 1 and the bare minimum spins

[hazy escarp]

40

[fiery skiff]

Rip

[severe junco]

what about floor 3

[hazy escarp]

Minimum 60@severe junco

[severe junco]

what thats litterally nothing

[magic thicket]

LoL

[austere compass]

3 RUNES SLOTS HELL YEAAAAAA

[fiery skiff]

Nice

[stray breach]

Nice

Better than peop’s 1 rune slot on nitro 😐

Peop”s*

[thorn forum]

damn nice

[devout ore]

[little berry]

Who’s the worst warmaster?

[gentle moss]

Barbael

[little berry]

Ok good

Thx

[inland trail]

@little berry necro worst by far

[little berry]

Oh

Ok

[little berry]

Barb is useful for trait disable

[jagged lake]

Yh @little berry but his trait seems unfinished

[hazy escarp]

Babari worst warmaster imho

@little berry

[little berry]

Babari big good tho

In the same tier as Gortak, Rem, and Elvira if we’re talking ranked change my mind

[hazy escarp]

What I don’t like about babari is that most of his moves have high Cooldowns and his extra turn moves aren’t chainable and aren’t that special. He can also only inflict shock and minor blind and single trait disable and his highest damage move is 70 which is elemental and not special

@little berry

[little berry]

Elemental yeah but gonna instant delete pretty much any water monster you face, and that’s not such a huge deal since all his extra turns are Special based

[hazy escarp]

But Thalassa, although water will always deny him

[little berry]

And yeah he doesn’t chain but can still get a lot of damage done without getting countered by Faraday

In a 1v1 yeah

[hazy escarp]

I just think there are better attackers

[little berry]

Damage Mirror is a good layer of protection the enemy is gonna have to take an extra step removing, or something you can create good combos with on attack, and torture immunity is really helpful

[inland trail]

Imagine thinking damage mirror is great
He's OK, but 2nd worst WM, change my mind

[frozen crane]

laughs in necro and barbael

[inland trail]

Barbael better TBH

[frozen crane]

?

[inland trail]

More damage, more versatile, better relic slots

[little berry]

It’s not great but it’s still something that can be problematic

[frozen crane]

trap+shield is better than mask+ amulet?

[inland trail]

Yes

Shield>Mask>Trap>Amulet

Some of the best relics in the game, and the best are shields and traps

[frozen crane]

wait

didnt u say tenacity shield is the best relic

talany mask is the exact same effect

just on a mask

[inland trail]

Yes but there are more good masks than shields so :OkayChamp:
Guess you could even say Mask>Shield, barb's relic slots still better though

[hazy escarp]

Why doesn’t barbael have a sword slot? Lmao

[inland trail]

For the same reason as to why thetys or rag don't have staff

[jagged lake]

Lol

[mossy sorrel]

@cinder anchor congrats

[little berry]

@cinder anchor make the name octopus waifu

Or tentecal sama

[mossy sorrel]

Or Thelesse

[little berry]

No

[hazy escarp]

Davey Jones’ gf

[mossy sorrel]

[tulip sapphire]

R0 Necro or thalassa?

[tired ginkgo]

thalassa

[little berry]

Thalassa

[fading shell]

Sher if you can get him r2

[inland trail]

Ragnraok

[ember plume]

r0-r1 rag r2 sher r3-r5 rag imo

Sher is very close behind in r4 and r5

[humble knot]

When dreams come true

[tired ginkgo]

[little berry]

Yay!

[austere compass]

Good job!

[tired ginkgo]

so proud of you @little berry

[little berry]

R5 next month

hopefully

Then either rank Rag or get & rank Rancid Squid

Leaning towards the Squid

[austere compass]

Hope I get him high rank one day I got only one warmaster

[tired ginkgo]

which?

[austere compass]

Forgot the name but she gives evasion

[tired ginkgo]

ah

elvira

nice

[little berry]

I have a few lvl 100s, 105 Elvira, 110 Necromancer, 120 Zahra and now 120 Sherezar

[austere compass]

Nice

[tired ginkgo]

i have 100 babari and elvira and 105(110 soon) rag

[little berry]

Zahra is life (literally) helps a ton.

[humble knot]

Go for the rancid squid she is good against DA, Taunt, raggy teams

[little berry]

Yes, I know the Rancid Squid is disgustingly OP

Which is why I've been avoiding getting her till now

[humble knot]

R4 is ridiculous

[little berry]

And R5 is a fraud

[tired ginkgo]

r5 is power abuse lol

[humble knot]

A 120 Thalassa can easily win against a 130 Thalassa with SX runes if you partner her up with a SC: MT monster.

[cinder anchor]

@mossy sorrel thanks

@little berry I like my team name

[severe junco]

110 rag soon huh

[main current]

I saved a spot in there for my buddy Shere......

[lone bridge]

Wow

I got 20 gems

[fiery skiff]

Lol

[radiant hill]

should i go for r0 rag or thal

[dry sierra]

Thalassa