monster-discussion

[inland trail]

How will it lose? Who's gonna deal the damage lol

[little berry]

Oof

[unkempt coral]

No actually it wasn’t me I was referring to , it was in fact gortak that was the one in question

[frozen crane]

how r u gonna kill the taunt in time tho

before wyrmlad and rag keep healing it up

[inland trail]

Ez

[little berry]

triple Sammy team tanky enough to hold its ground

[inland trail]

Triple damage

After rag uses his denial you are free to TT

I've killed clip+rag+area dodge with the FS (light sammy)
Don't ask why I used him as an attacker over PC who has en elemental advantage

[unkempt coral]

Okay then

[little berry]

why

[inland trail]

Because too lazy to swap

[little berry]

😂

[unkempt coral]

No one literally no one:

Andrej : “I killed clip rag and area dodge with FS

[inland trail]

[little berry]

he is Andrej that's why Lol

[severe junco]

Ruby is nice

[inland trail]

Me can oof whatever I want

[severe junco]

getting the elemntiums arent :/

[unkempt coral]

She’s out dated

[severe junco]

no

[unkempt coral]

Yes

[severe junco]

she is in my heart#

[inland trail]

Still best magic though

[unkempt coral]

Ok

[severe junco]

YEEE

[winter river]

Nemesis bias :DrakeNo:
WM bias big yop

[unkempt coral]

No need to inform us about your love life Milk

[severe junco]

andrej thabks for spitting facts

[little berry]

isn't sherezar the best magic though or ??????

[inland trail]

Nop

[unkempt coral]

Exactly

[severe junco]

im 32 cells from r2 sherry

but i need orbs

[frozen crane]

debatable

[severe junco]

and ruby

[frozen crane]

sherry has worse relic slots

[inland trail]

I have both at 130 BTW

[little berry]

ooooooh

[unkempt coral]

No one literally no one:

[inland trail]

Worse relic slots and skills but better trait

[severe junco]

Andrj you are f2p right

[unkempt coral]

Milk: I’m 32 cells away from r2 sherry

[little berry]

sherry rank 2 CDA skill skill better than rank 4 skill

[severe junco]

whats r4 skill

[inland trail]

But play on multiple acc which aren't or weren't mine

[frozen crane]

random spellbook

[severe junco]

im going for r4

[frozen crane]

aoe control + torture + aoe (allies) random positive

[severe junco]

with my ruby and nerdeia basically copying jim

i have jazzy mask too which makes it so :/

thats a good skill

[inland trail]

Why are you going for him if you have ruby
Doesn't seem economical

[severe junco]

???

[frozen crane]

because hes still the third best warmaster?

[severe junco]

ruby cant per

[little berry]

🤔

[inland trail]

I'd rather invest in other elements

[severe junco]

and curse is very nice

[inland trail]

Ruby doesn't need PER

[unkempt coral]

I leave for 2 seconds and Andrej is talking about something to do with economy

[severe junco]

why

what if enemy has evasion 😉

[unkempt coral]

All monsters need PER

It’s a way of life

[inland trail]

Jazzy mask

[severe junco]

oh

no

:/

[inland trail]

Yes

[little berry]

Big yop

[severe junco]

sherry is like ruby

with per

[inland trail]

Relics go through evasion

[unkempt coral]

How does Jazzy even wear a god damn mask

[severe junco]

yea but cmon

[inland trail]

He's not

[unkempt coral]

He’s all teeth no face

[severe junco]

thats relying on relics too much

[inland trail]

You said you have it, and why shouldn't we rely on relics?

[unkempt coral]

The should add relic block as a negative effect

[severe junco]

their are recharging stamina relics

[inland trail]

Nop

[little berry]

why was relics introduced in the first place then??

[frozen crane]

relics dont go through mega taunt tho

[severe junco]

wait they dont?

[frozen crane]

which is much more common than evasion

[severe junco]

thats sad

[inland trail]

And with sherry as the main denier he's not holding xiron's essence in 99% of cases

[severe junco]

r4 thalassa or r4 ragnorak??

[inland trail]

Thalassa

[severe junco]

why not rag

makes it easy for me but ok

[inland trail]

Only 2 megataunters though, one in an element with the best monster in the game

[frozen crane]

thalassa deals with dodge area + taunt better

[unkempt coral]

What are you bickering about now

[inland trail]

Thalassa deals with everything better :tbhfam:

[severe junco]

hmmm

trait disable is nice eh

[frozen crane]

very

[severe junco]

you can eh

do anything with it

[little berry]

yop that octopus mom is broken

[severe junco]

ye

why doesnt sherry have trait disable

[inland trail]

And we're battling 5A with water

[severe junco]

wasent he the last warmaster

[inland trail]

No

[severe junco]

o ok

[inland trail]

Rag was last

[little berry]

Noo

[inland trail]

And can TD

[little berry]

Rag

[severe junco]

oh

what rank does rag become good

[unkempt coral]

I don’t wanna get banned tho

[severe junco]

?

[inland trail]

R0

[severe junco]

lmao

rag is the hardest to get 😭

[unkempt coral]

Nah

[severe junco]

Yah

@inland trail do you have r5 warmaster

thalassa?

[inland trail]

Yes on 2 accounts

R4 on main and f2p one

[severe junco]

what teams did you use

[unkempt coral]

Of course he does

Why would you even ask that Milk

[frozen crane]

who gives u all those accs

[inland trail]

130 thetys all VII speed, 120 ledo all ts, 105 nanukk lv 3 team str+gold/diamond relics

[unkempt coral]

His moms credit card

[inland trail]

Teammates

[unkempt coral]

JK JK

[inland trail]

We actually don't have any credit cards so there's no way for me to be p2w even if I wanted to

[severe junco]

whats ledo

[inland trail]

Ledovech

[severe junco]

bruhhh

that epic???

wow

[little berry]

Yop

[severe junco]

130 theyths huh

[unkempt coral]

I’m getting r2 thetys for r1 thalassa

[inland trail]

Was in a top and semi elite team at the time (when there were around 25 elite teams) so got WCs and she didn't go for 2.5k

[severe junco]

so you got her for like under 10k war coins??

[little berry]

generals costed 800 WC initially so didn't hsvr to grind much

[severe junco]

wow

[little berry]

Now shop broken

[severe junco]

nice

[inland trail]

Timerion for 800

[severe junco]

so fair

😭

[little berry]

I still remember @inland trail

[inland trail]

Volt in the shop after his release
But couldn't get him

So had to buy with gems
Monsters were going for 225 back then though

[little berry]

2 volrays = voltaik

[severe junco]

😦

[little berry]

Breed ey

Hahaha

[severe junco]

so fair man

[inland trail]

SP wasn't associated with T2 back then so the game was way cheaper?

[little berry]

Exactly

[unkempt coral]

Who are you ? MONSTER GAMING?? Kek

@severe junco

[little berry]

Nuff revenue to keep running

[severe junco]

whats t2

[little berry]

Take 2

[inland trail]

Would you believe me if I told you the best team in the world had f2ps up until nadiel's release? When RV formed

[severe junco]

ok

yes

[inland trail]

Because they did

I think 5 or 6 f2ps

[severe junco]

this game was so balanced i shouldn't have stopped playing

[unkempt coral]

Hey Milk

[inland trail]

It wasn't balanced and people were complaining back then too, but better than now

[unkempt coral]

Drive to your nearest comedy club

Get up on stage

And tell your jokes to someone else

[severe junco]

i would get rich too quick if i did that

[little berry]

we in the wrong part of discord discussing bout this stuff

[severe junco]

@unkempt coral

you are funny

Drive to your nearest comedy club
Get up on stage
And tell your jokes to someone else

[inland trail]

This is technically about WMs and nems since they ruined it all

[unkempt coral]

I’m not a clown I am the entire circus

[severe junco]

lmao

[inland trail]

Also arguing

[little berry]

I would agree thou yeees

[inland trail]

[unkempt coral]

Who told you to have opinions

Kek

[severe junco]

dis guy

[inland trail]

[little berry]

⛔

[unkempt coral]

[hasty dock]

Heck, WMs will have tough times ahead too if the future elites are like Wyrmlad

[little berry]

Won’t if they’re like Nitro tho

[pseudo jolt]

What’s better in terms of viability in current meta, elites or nemesis?

[winter river]

Both are gooood

[pseudo jolt]

But what’s more usuable in current meta

[dusty nymph]

both are usable

some just dont understand what both means

[sinful dagger]

Hey anyone know when Nemesis Days are returning?

[solar elk]

@sinful dagger Check #announcements and look for the calendar

[sinful dagger]

Oh cool thanks

[dry sierra]

Nemesis's

[frank nacelle]

Does Uriel Essence's revival work in Nemesis survival dungeon?

[winter river]

Good question

[little berry]

It does.

The rez block applies to skills only; basically makes Samael's Necromantic Secrets and Unholy Resurrect useless. That's all.

[ivory tartan]

For nemesis days what nemesis should I get?

Idk what is in rotation

Or should I get a chest

[high abyss]

sammy pc or fs

or ruby

[ivory tartan]

What is the best faraday

Might get him or talos

I need a metal attacker

[tired ginkgo]

discharger

[high abyss]

obscure and discharger both good

obscure higher damage output

discharger has deny

[ivory tartan]

Any nemesis is good really cuz I got a total of 0

[high abyss]

and elemental advantage

[inland trail]

Dischauger deals more damage too, obscure has DOTs

[winter river]

Stun is better and alot of monsters are immune to bleed with different trait while quick sand cant be blocked

Some immune to poison too

[weak moon]

Question

[high abyss]

wot

[weak moon]

In floor 2 of the Thalassa dungeon, how did you get past the node with Testika/Violet?

If anyone who made it past that node could tell me how I'd appreciate it

I'm currently stuck at it with Mystery, Musu, and Ledovech

[upper yew]

Outspeed violet

Pretty much

[weak moon]

Mystery is the only monster capable of doing that but, the problem is It has speed runes level 6-4.

While Violet has like double level 7 runes

[upper yew]

Yeah its defo one of the tougher nodes in that dungeon. But u may just need to try and get a few better speed runes

Im not sure that team would even be able to finish the last node though, if Im being honest

[weak moon]

Well it's gotten me from floor 1 to the last few nodes of floor 2

I feel like, if I make it there I can do it.

[dusty nymph]

get better water monsters

[weak moon]

Yeah I have better ones but, they aren't ranked

The rank requirements for these dungeons make them so much more difficult than they need to be

[dusty nymph]

if you have like a gorg and can rank it that would help

[ivory tartan]

Which nemesis monsters should I prioritize tmro

And I might not get xiron cuz he doesn't have PER

[covert dune]

Sami

[humble knot]

@ivory tartan Samael the PC or the FS

[ivory tartan]

Ok

[little berry]

So you can just straight up buy whatever nemesis you want ?

[dusty nymph]

with nemesis souls

[covert dune]

But there's also Llum, and farady, and Warthak. It just depends on which elements you're lacking in @ivory tartan

[ivory tartan]

Idk

I'm not really lacking in anything but nature

But nadiel is really EHHH

[little berry]

Pyromancer is great tho

[humble knot]

Samael is good in everything except denying but he can kinda do that with his TT skill

[little berry]

So I can just buy metal sammy tomorrow just like that?

He can kinda do that with Sherry’s Amulet too

[winter river]

Lets see what nemesis cells sp will bring us tomorrow

Hopefully sammy pc

Wouldnt mind wartank MS or magic llum too

[tired thistle]

u can buy nemesis cells?

i thought only out of chests

[pseudo jolt]

@tired thistle

Yes you can, however, the cost is double

[tired thistle]

oh rip

[dusty nymph]

are those 3 nemesis chest gonna always have the same ones in each one or they gonna be different everytime

[frozen crane]

they appear to have the same content

so if u wanna gamble on chests, 1 is still going to be ur best bet

[odd coral]

When are Nemesis Days coming back?

And which chest to go for

[frozen crane]

tomorrow and 1

[ivory tartan]

I did the maths and I can afford approximately 2 select nemesis monsters or 4 random ones

[winter river]

Id test my luck and get 2 random and one selected so 3 would help in nsd

[ivory tartan]

Smart man here

Or woman Idk

[little berry]

I’d still do two select probably but that’s a really good point

[ivory tartan]

Ok

I will do the 2 random cuz any nemesis monsters are good rlly

[solemn brook]

Here is Thalassa pet if you wondered

[little berry]

WM pets

[fickle acorn]

How can you see the pets.

[little berry]

@fickle acorn the thing under her tentacle i believe

Why does thalasa have 4-5 tentacles

Octopuses should have 8

[fickle acorn]

Well I know that's the pet.

Have I just not realized it was there for the entire time.

[little berry]

Thalassa’s pet is in her ult animation

Must be why it’s so broken

[fickle acorn]

[upper yew]

Is there a way to see the other WMs pets?

[humble knot]

My first Nemesis

[high abyss]

noice

[lapis linden]

Same mate

[humble knot]

Congrats

[lapis linden]

Thanks, likewise

[wind comet]

Me same

[lapis linden]

Nice

[high abyss]

ehhh

i already have ruby

feelsbad

[jagged lake]

I can’t beat ragnarok floor one with these monsters right

Can I beat ragnarok floor on with these monsters right

[high abyss]

u may have trouble

[jagged lake]

Yh I knew that I think I’m gonna go for yimburbur

Which one should I craft for the dungeon

[gaunt agate]

I'm crying right now this is the first Nemesis I'm getting 😢

This was taken a while back but the first time I got those Talos cells was by accident by purchasing the Talos when it was in the game

[fickle acorn]

I'm proud, John.

[gaunt agate]

I never bothered to ever try to get my money back but after doing the Nemesis cells dungeons last year I was able to get closer until today where I didn't risk doing the chest

[high abyss]

aw i want talos

[tired thistle]

whats the best nemesis chest

[high abyss]

1

[tired thistle]

is there a chance that i could get another samael that i already have

nvm thats a dumb question

ok update: didnt get another samael i got a warthak mountainsplitter gg

[ivory tartan]

Which nemesis chest should I open

Or do I go for a 200 pick your own

[tired ginkgo]

if u want a specific nemesis, spend 200 souls. if u want to open a chest, open the first one, has some of the best nemesis mons

[ivory tartan]

Idk I think I will have enough for 1 chest maybe 2 and one where I pick

Might get Faraday or sammy

[summer swift]

Any tipps on defeating the last stage of thefirst floor for ragnarok?

[frozen crane]

hp runes

they actually work

for rag's first floor

[summer swift]

Hmm

[frozen crane]

actually before i explain

whats ur team

for rag's first floor

[summer swift]

Nadiel

[frozen crane]

just nadiel?

[summer swift]

Fightreer

And kulkan

Ik it aint the best

But it worked

The last battle is just pretty hard

[frozen crane]

i used charmless and 2 epics

both epics had hp runes on them

cuz when i do extra turns with charmless, rag would target the epics instead

[summer swift]

Well I dont have charmless :(

[frozen crane]

rip

[summer swift]

Fightreer is my damage dealer

My problem is that I cant kill Rag before he heals himself

[echo willow]

Which nemesis is better between: Lucifier, Hydratila, Nadiel.

[winter river]

There is nadiel pyro decent but sammy/xiron/fara/wartank/llum are better than those

[limber notch]

The runes in the dungeons are so high...

[jagged lake]

Lol the guy didn’t ask none of that he just ask which is best of the three

[limber notch]

I can't even beat Rag second floor

[summer swift]

Rag 2nd floor is pretty easy

I dont know about that last fight tho

[ivory tartan]

Which option :
2 random nemesis monsters
1 select nemesis monster
1 random half of a select

[limber notch]

It's hard since I only have level 5 runes

[echo willow]

@winter river thanks, got it.

[summer swift]

Yeah with only level 5 runes thats pretty hard

[limber notch]

It actually wasn’t that hard after I used level some higher level runes. Last node was decently easy for me so now I get my first warmaster!

[covert dune]

Used this team

[limber notch]

wowie

[tropic inlet]

Possible to do ragnarok floor 3 with r3 volthar and r2 neobuki?

[frosty remnant]

The two are definitely good for their element

But you probably need a third monster

Even if it’s a rare or epic for team speed

[limber notch]

Often times a third monster is also useful for taking a hit

[surreal galleon]

Kaori could even prove useful other than being a meat shield if you get a turn in with them assuming you have one

[tame whale]

how many orbs to get a r0 wm?

[winter river]

2.3

K

[covert dune]

Goto pinned messages

[ivory tartan]

Which nemesis chest should I open

[tired ginkgo]

1st one

[odd coral]

1st

[pseudo jolt]

@odd coral

Why the 1st one?

[tired ginkgo]

it has the best monsters

[pseudo jolt]

It has the worst variation of Sammy

[odd coral]

Best monsters

So?

[tired ginkgo]

it has ruby

[odd coral]

Best variation of Xiron

[tired ginkgo]

warthak ms

[odd coral]

Warthak

Too

[tired ginkgo]

llum the iron leader

[odd coral]

Either you're lucky, or you're unlucky like me

Gambling is gambling

50/50

[little berry]

Are nemesis monsters still worth getting ? If so which ones

[pseudo jolt]

Ruby

[odd coral]

Ruby, Plague Carrier, Fever Scatterer, Mountainsplitter, and Sunbringer imo. I don't really like the other Nemesis monsters tbh.

[pseudo jolt]

Sammy

[little berry]

i'd still say they're worth getting as they're some of the best monsters. For which ones, a lot of them are really good, it comes down to what you need really and what element you're lacking in, but some good ones to always get are Either Samael variant and Xiron The Ruby. I personally like the warthak variants.

i also have a soft spot for Talos :3

Thanks guys (: as for Samuel is his fever or plague better ? I’m leaning towards the one who deals negative effect removal

I like Talos’ design lol

[odd coral]

I personally like Plague

[little berry]

they're both really good and you can't go wrong with either one, but Plague Carrier's Turn Transfer skill has a 0 stam cost which is amazing.

[dusty nymph]

what runes do you put for mountainsplitter

[odd coral]

I should've waited for Elite Days because pretty much every outcome is good imo, Nemesis are outclassed.

[little berry]

Do you know the cool down to that skill?

5

[odd coral]

Fav Nemesis are Ruby, Plague, and Warthak Variants.

[little berry]

I have all strength on my MountainSplitter.

and 2 Strength 1 TS on my Sunbringer

right now

Nice

To be honest I’m kind of worried about the new artifact

i dont really like Nitroblaster all that much.

How come ?

[ivory tartan]

is nadiel the flooder good?

[little berry]

tbh i don't really know.

[ivory tartan]

thats what i got from the nemesis chest 1

[little berry]

Flooder is alright.

not the best, not the worst

[ivory tartan]

i am planning to get a faraday either obscure or discharaguer 2

and then HOPING i can clutch enough for another random

[little berry]

good luck

[odd coral]

I've been unlucky with the Nemesis Chests, I feel like I'll get something good but I end up getting a terrible outcome.

[dusty nymph]

what have you gotten so far

[ivory tartan]

i am not that dissapointed with nadiel cuz i need viable monsters like nadiel

cuz so far the only good nature monsters i got are silverleaf talikka and not nadiel

[little berry]

nice

[odd coral]

I got Luci and Hydra from the chests so far

[little berry]

oof

[ivory tartan]

what type hydra

[odd coral]

Ice

[pseudo jolt]

I think I’ll wait for elite chests

[odd coral]

Mega rip

I was too impatient

[pseudo jolt]

Is drakor good?

[odd coral]

I was gonna

[pseudo jolt]

The elite

[little berry]

Drakor is alright

[odd coral]

All the elites to me are good tbh except Soul Hugger

[ivory tartan]

which faraday is the best

ik electrolyzer sucks

[little berry]

i'd say Discharger.

[ivory tartan]

but is obscure or disharger beter

which one is a bettter attacker?

[little berry]

Hmm

[high abyss]

ive heard discharger

but ive also heard obscure

i personally prefer discharger due to elemental advantage

and also that quicksand isnt counterable

[little berry]

Discharger has a lower power stat but has the elemental advantage which can help a ton in thunder wars, while Obscure has a higher power stat and uses DoTs, which could be blocked by the likes of Babari & Olnir in thunder wars thanks to the Torture Immunity they have.

[high abyss]

also dischargers whip looks cooler

cant forget that

[pseudo jolt]

I’ll try to get a free nemesis monster

[dusty nymph]

there wasn't any way before these nemesis chest to get nemesis f2p right

[pseudo jolt]

No

[dusty nymph]

other than treasure cave which is unrealistic

what was the other way

[pseudo jolt]

Dungeons

With cells

[little berry]

Not the chests but long ago you could've gotten their cells from a dungeon

[dusty nymph]

o

[little berry]

Is xiron the ruby worth getting when you already have Pierced ?

yeah.

[high abyss]

yop

[little berry]

for magic wars

and sherezar dungeon

and just to have in general

Thanks bros

[pseudo jolt]

@little berry

Xiron the ruby is really good

It’s on par with Piercid

[little berry]

Thank you @pseudo jolt

[pseudo jolt]

But remember you have to tank him up

[little berry]

Do you guys think Xiron Sam and Warthat are still going to be dominating in the future ?

What’s the best way of getting elementium?

[pseudo jolt]

Extracting epics

[little berry]

So I breed an epic then feed him then extract his cels ?

[pseudo jolt]

Yeah

[little berry]

So legendaries give you regular element cells

And epics give you elementuim?

[pseudo jolt]

Yup

[little berry]

Wow thanks man! I really appreciate your insight

Does the mean it’s good to have the breeding jokers so In the breeding events you just get a bunch of epics and use them for elementuim?

[pseudo jolt]

Well yes

[little berry]

Mind blown lol

i think Samael, Ruby and Warthak are still going to be dominate for a long time.

they're just so good.

[pseudo jolt]

Should I risk it and buy a nemesis chest or wait for an elite chest?

[little berry]

Wow @little berry

@pseudo jolt do you know how much elementuim do you get per epic ?

And depends how many elites you have vs nemesis?

[pseudo jolt]

Have none for both lol

I’m a ftp

[little berry]

thats entirely up to you Nex, i would personally buy a nemesis chest cause i dislike the elites. but thats just me.

[pseudo jolt]

But maybe elite because only 2 of those are trash

[little berry]

Your elite odds are a little better

But it’s up to you bro

Maybe you get lucky and get ruby or something lol, or wryland

imma buy a nemesis chest later on, hopefully i wont get helltaser 😄

Lol is helltaser the worst one ?

no, i just have Hopefreezer which is the best Lucifire variant and i don't see myself using helltaser at all.

Ahh I see

Nice

[ivory tartan]

which chest is the best

[little berry]

1

[pseudo jolt]

But 1st has the worst variant of Sammy

[little berry]

still better than some other nemesis

[pseudo jolt]

Which are the absolute worst nemesis?

[ivory tartan]

llum

the light of freedom

wel not really

im just still salty about that one master of paths

[little berry]

pretty much most of the base variants

[ivory tartan]

yeah

[little berry]

except Sammy, Llum and possibly faraday.

[ivory tartan]

WOT'

normal xiron isnt bad

its not goood but not exactly bad

[little berry]

possible, i haven't really looked into Xiron much so i wouldn't know 😅

[ivory tartan]

i dont think he/she/it is as good as it used to be

cuz now every thing needs PER or pierce

although only 1 monster has Pierce atm

it will soon become which denier is faster and has pierce

[dusty nymph]

um no

[little berry]

@little berry out of curiosity are you in any team?

[dusty nymph]

epics do not give you elementium

[little berry]

They don’t ?

[dusty nymph]

epics give you elemental cells of one of it's element

[little berry]

Wth

[dusty nymph]

it's random

[little berry]

Then how do I get elementium?

[dusty nymph]

dungeons

just get cells of the element you need

[limber notch]

if the epic has a fire and light type the elemental cells can be either fire or light

[little berry]

And for nemesis can you use regular element cells to rank them up?

Or do you need elementium @dusty nymph @limber notch

[dusty nymph]

regular

you can rank anything with regular except warmasters

[little berry]

Thank you

Wow

[little berry]

Hey guys
How do you feel about Lucifer the life melter?

[ivory tartan]

she is ok

but is the worst form

hopefreezer is really god cuz of the elemental advantage

[hasty dock]

Lifemelter is still the second best Luci for the Dragon book... She roasts Nadiel and O'Reilly

[little berry]

Yeah
I was gambling with the Nemesis chest
That was my luck

Not sure if I feel proud 😅

Lucifire is cool. I was gonna invest in her.
But then Nitroblaster appeared.

[hasty dock]

Edited 😉

Lucifire is still cool

[inland torrent]

ye

[hasty dock]

Nothing beats her raw power

[little berry]

do i need a r0 Samael PC if i already have a r3 Samael FS? would it be better to get a Talos variant instead since i only have base Talos currently?

Well
I guess I didn't have the worst luck

But if u had to choose between ranking Nitro and Luci, who would it be?

Not really, Krampy. Starting on a duplicate from scratch isn't worth the investment. Just me tho.

[upper yew]

Id do Nitro personally

[frozen crane]

neither. marquis still appears to be the best fire attacker

[little berry]

Nitroblaster will blast Marquis 🤷

[hasty dock]

Mmm... I still use Luci for fire wars if I need an attacker

[upper yew]

I got helltaser from last months chests

[hasty dock]

Nitro might give her some trouble if ranked though

Water protection will be annoying...

[upper yew]

Barely used her at all

[little berry]

Anticipation is great. But Nitro is still an artifact, and the amount of damage he can deal is quite unmatched if you tie it all together

[frozen crane]

i guess so

i tend to underestimate new monsters

[upper yew]

Flamerion best fire attacker

[hasty dock]

I have to disagree... Marquis will have Nirto for breakfast

[frozen crane]

so we'll see

[little berry]

How come? What can he do to Nitro?

would it be better to get Talos IP since i don't have the Jazzy mask and mutant runes for FA or should i get FA and just slowly get the Jazzy mask and mutant runes for him over time?

[frozen crane]

nitro is interesting so im actually not sure how he will fare

[little berry]

45 at best, without debuffs.

[hasty dock]

45?

[little berry]

Yes. That's the biggest hit he can slap on Nitro.

[frozen crane]

im just hoping nitro will be one of the top fire monsters, since the top 3 for fire are currently sunblast marquis and mephisto

and all 3 are the most uninteresting monsters ever

[pseudo jolt]

Why are y’all comparing marquis to an elite?

[hasty dock]

@little berry how do u intend to use Nitro against Marquis? Avoiding all extra turns, or using them?

[frozen crane]

we're comparing fire attackers

[pseudo jolt]

It’s like comparing thalassa to any denier

[frozen crane]

water*

[little berry]

@hasty dock Honestly, you could eradicate Marquis while giving him only one extra turn...

[frozen crane]

we're comparing same element same role

[pseudo jolt]

Of course an elite is going to be better than a normal legendary

[frozen crane]

no lol marquis is better

[inland torrent]

pierceid

[frozen crane]

thats what we're saying

[hasty dock]

It depends

[frozen crane]

well thats what john and I are claiming

[little berry]

Don't say that. Hookuai beats Gorg in many ways.

[hasty dock]

A rainbow Marquis is not going to be taken out easily

Hookuai is far better than Gorg, actually

[frozen crane]

^

relics and moves

[hasty dock]

And, um, Jim, I don't quite happen to agree with ur fire top 3 😅

[little berry]

Well, if he uses Dehydration + Star Core, thats 90 dmg on his head + burn + ignite, and since DOTs will be affected by the fire weakness, they'll steal over half of his max HP.

any tips on how to beat the thalassa node in the nsd with a r3 Sammy FS (all speed), Lucifire HF r2, Base talos r2 and both warthak variants r1?

[frozen crane]

whats ur fire top 3

just wondering

[little berry]

And Nitroblaster gets to keep attacking after that

[hasty dock]

And if DoTs and Fire weakness miss?

As I already said, I prefer Hopefreezer over Marquis

[frozen crane]

oh

[little berry]

Then Marquis will get an extra hit in. You could also, instead of risking it, just use the special based extra turn. Lots of possibilities.

I hate how cheap and effective of an argument misses are. Lol

[frozen crane]

i thought u were gonna put barbael in the top 3 lol

[hasty dock]

Sure, he has Anticipation, and a greater resistance (arguably, I don't find Hardened to be too much of a threat except in War defence), but Luci is so much more versatile

[little berry]

Barbael is sooo

[frozen crane]

bad

[hasty dock]

By misses I mean resists

[pseudo jolt]

Is barbael good?

[frozen crane]

no

not at all

[hasty dock]

Obviously u haven't had ur share of attacks going wrong due to Hardened suddenly acting as Bulwark, so u're pretty happily contemplating those situations

[pseudo jolt]

Worst warmaster?

[frozen crane]

mhm

[little berry]

Apart from his graaand dmg output, Nitroblaster can CDA just about anyone he wants, and then if he gets to attack the next turn, he'll give himself DD and kill everything

[hasty dock]

Also, matches are hardly 1v1... Handing extra turns over to Anticipation monsters is possibly the worst thing to do if there is no solid back-up

[frozen crane]

@hasty dock when i said bad i meant barbael

[hasty dock]

I know, I feel so myself 😂

[frozen crane]

oh

[little berry]

It's always risky. But less than usual against Marquis bcz of how ineffective his skills are against a fire based artifact.

[hasty dock]

@little berry ur argument is based on a ranked version, but not every player, including myself is fortunate enough to get all the newbies at their max potential, so I try to make the most of what I already have 😊

Again, u fail to understand why Anticipation is the top of the bracket now...

Its not a 1v1 situation

[frozen crane]

yeah nvm luci hopefreezer looks better than marquis

ive been sleeping on hopefreezer the entire time

[little berry]

Hopefreezer big yop

i love her

[hasty dock]

Handing over an extra turn to Marquis could potentially mean an OHK for ur denier, a stun, or a bunch of nasty DoTs for the rest of ur team

Just because a monster has raw dmg output doesn't necessarily make him a topper in my list...

[little berry]

It depends on the team combination, naturally. I do not fail to understand how powerful anticipation is. I was merely countering the claim of Marquis having Nitroblaster for breakfast. Because he won't.

It's not like Nitroblaster is a full on extra turner. You can configure him to have no ETs at all.

[hasty dock]

Idk... A boosted Marquis could still hit hard 🤔

If Artifacts have one major flaw, its their lack of taking up buffs

[little berry]

how am i supposed to do this?

[hasty dock]

So the 1v1 situation will vary on a lot of factors

Use a Faraday, or u'll be screwed

[little berry]

i dont have a faraday yet

:C

You will get control immunity, so she will deny 2 at the very best. Llum would be helpful. Or more Samael.

[hasty dock]

But yes, I agree Nitro is the highest dmg output Fire monster atm

[little berry]

does faraday have his AoE blind?

[hasty dock]

Once ranked, even Luci will have trouble dealing with him

[little berry]

Idk, I kill him and never find out 😂

cause i might be able to TT to MS and tank a hit from him and kill thalassa?

oh

hmm

i might just wait until i get my own faraday

which should be later on today

[high abyss]

tbh best 3 for nsd is ruby, plague carrier and discharger

[hasty dock]

What other Nemeses do u have?

[little berry]

I used Llum, Xiron and Samael to beat this one. T'was a breeze

110 Base Talos and 110 Hopefreezer

Oh my

[frozen crane]

i used 3 xirons and died to that node

[little berry]

Little support to work with

[hasty dock]

Thalassa can get her special if u let her do 2-3 turns...

[high abyss]

i got a hecking atums armor from my chest

[frozen crane]

atums armor good tho

[high abyss]

i already have 1

and also have nebotus and thetys

[hasty dock]

I have 2, and I still want more

[high abyss]

i really wanted a sherezar

[little berry]

I lost to the last node cuz I lost my main team early on to a cheating Roobi who did Stardust on me 😂

[hasty dock]

Anyway, nice talking to u folks, but gtg now

[little berry]

Cya

i could probably get Faraday Discharger and a Talos variant/Samael PC later today would either of those two help?

cya

Kinda? Llum the Magical Matriarch would be ideal.

Can you get her?

no, not unless i try my luck on a chest

Ew

which i wouldn't want to do

No cells of her?

i only have 10

🙁

So you'd need 150 Nemesis souls

You could always buy some

i could do that but then i'd have to give up Faraday, since i only have $30 to work with right now.

Tough choice...

Though you'd need to rank her up to 105 to get the true buffing power and to 115 to get her area stun

hmm

well i cant rank her yet even if i had her.

Welp then

i'd need to grind for more elemental cells

Oh, Krampy... Can I steal you to the DMs for a bit?

kk

[upper yew]

Whose the best nemesis at r0?

[high abyss]

one of the attackers

not sure which one but faraday and warthak are both good at r0

might be a few others

[ivory tartan]

if there was a competition between them it would probably be warthak

cuz of type advantage

but if it was faraday the obscure then idk

[little berry]

@upper yew Samael. Can revive, has one of the best healing skills IG, can cleanse both allies and enemies at the same time, has a good single hit, a fully spammable area 25% heal...

[upper yew]

Doesnt he get hs revival at r1 tho?

[high abyss]

not to mention he has a shield relic slot

[upper yew]

Or r2?

[high abyss]

he has an r0 50%

and r1 100%

[upper yew]

Oohhh

[little berry]

He gets a 100% rez at rank 1, yes.

[upper yew]

Wow thats still amazing then

[high abyss]

he can deny too if u have sherry lol

[winter river]

What is R2 skill he gets?

[little berry]

Pestilence.

[upper yew]

Pesti I think

[high abyss]

pestilence

[upper yew]

Well...

[winter river]

👌

[little berry]

Overrated skill imo.

Pain Scourge ftw.

[upper yew]

So I guess Sammy is just the best nemesis overall

[winter river]

0 stamina is awesome

[high abyss]

pain scourge best skill in game

only one of its kind

[little berry]

You can use it even if you are totally blind, as it cleanses you before hitting.

Hobkin has it too, but on a higher cooldown, without damage and without the daze for enemies. So far inferior.

[upper yew]

I wanna see Sammys beautiful face

[high abyss]

he has no face

its just a hood

like the headless horseman

[winter river]

Then explain where this beard is growing from @high abyss

[upper yew]

@high abyss riddle us this ^

NoFaceBaby

HoodFaceBaby

[high abyss]

@winter river jokes on u hes a floating beard

[upper yew]

shocked Pikachu meme

[ivory tartan]

Which is the best nadiel

[little berry]

Pyromancer

[sinful dagger]

What skills does Xiron learn at Rank 1

Xiron the Ruby particularly

[high abyss]

mineral blood

[little berry]

Mineral blood

[high abyss]

single cda

[little berry]

dang it you beat me to it xD

[sinful dagger]

Cool thanks

So is Rank 2 Laying odds then?

[little berry]

yep

[sinful dagger]

Ok thanks

[echo willow]

So I've been reading a bit and I'm still undecided between Nadiel and Lucifier.
Zinedine told ne nadiel. And I saw many pll use lucifire quite a lot.
Pls help me make the final decision.

[echo dragon]

What move does barbael get at r1?

[high abyss]

@echo willow what are you deciding?

[inland torrent]

trait covenant, disable trait on one enemy, total blind to all enemies

[echo willow]

@high abyss I'm abt to get either Nadiel or Lucifier. Since I need one of those element.

Which one is better between those two?

[echo dragon]

Thanks

[boreal kernel]

@echo willow I would get Lucifer

[little berry]

If you’re talking Pyromancer then Nadiel any day over Lucifire

[ember plume]

Even flooder better

[high abyss]

@echo willow why dont u get someone else thats better

@echo willow like sammy, ruby or warthak

[inland torrent]

they need one of either element

[little berry]

He did say he needed on in Nature/Fire

[inland torrent]

ye

[high abyss]

o lol

[little berry]

And Pyro is great in Nature

[high abyss]

pyro over luci any day

[ember plume]

But we all know who is the number one nature

hint hint

[winter river]

Nope

[ember plume]

yes.

[echo willow]

thanks guys 👍 So the winner of the pool is Nadiel, I'll go for him

[little berry]

[ember plume]

[echo willow]

@winter river so Silverleaf is the best nature of all?

I chose him in the last maze

going OT lol

[winter river]

Silver is decent tho pyromancer too i don’t know why some people overrate orielly he is normal but there still isnt till now an op nature monster it’s like the weakest element there is

[stoic path]

Will samael disease spreader be fine for nemesis dungeon?

[winter river]

He is good

[stoic path]

Have nadiel deforestator , talos forgotten, warthak sunbringer, hidratilas bolt, llium from mop

[winter river]

Use sammy speed wartank/talos for dmg and bolt/llum for support

[stoic path]

Thanks

[frosty remnant]

Today I be happy

[little berry]

nice

[ember plume]

[ember plume]

Kwamp invite to emp server

Want to mass ping theo

[little berry]

i left emp server

[ember plume]

Nice

[little berry]

it got big rart

[ember plume]

theo wanted to be a dictator

[little berry]

yop

theo let emp rejoin the team

[limpid spear]

On my alt account

[little berry]

The harder flex

[high abyss]

decided to open nem chest 3 since i didnt have any of the nems from it

you could say i got lucky

[little berry]

Ye

Dont you already have pc

[high abyss]

yeah lol

imma use fs as an attacker

[little berry]

Ye

[high abyss]

gonna be deadly in his wars

dark wars n stuff

[little berry]

True

Did you finnish nsd yet

[high abyss]

yea

my team works perfectly

[little berry]

Ye think ye can help me out

With what runes to use

[high abyss]

yup

do u have access to 7 x runes

[little berry]

Yeah

[high abyss]

and 2 8 runes

[little berry]

You said 7 level x runes

Or just 7 level 7 runes

[high abyss]

7 x runes

2 8 runes

[little berry]

I dont got access to those

[high abyss]

o rip

what nems u got

[little berry]

Got level 7 and 8 runes

[high abyss]

and what level

[little berry]

I got ruby

Talos

Sammy pc

Ruby r3

Talos r1

And sammy r0

[high abyss]

what rank is pc

[little berry]

R0

I can rank up but dont have time

[high abyss]

which talos is r1

[little berry]

Island protector

[high abyss]

what relics u got for ruby, pc and talos

[little berry]

Ruby healing mask and oblation staff

Sammy healing amulet and tenacity

And for talos

Exhausting mask

And oblation trap

[high abyss]

do you have enough fodder for a jasasturs mask

jasasturs on xiron is really what did it for me

[little berry]

Oh

[high abyss]

made the dungeon so much easier

[little berry]

I spent pretty much everything on tenacity

[high abyss]

ah

oh wait u have oblation

how much stamina does that remove full ranked?

[little berry]

108

My staff at level 1

[high abyss]

what is your current rune set up on your monsters

that you are using in the dungeon

[little berry]

Ruby all speed

And i havent hatched sammy yet so his runes arent equipped yet

And talos got level 3 runes so i can change easy

[high abyss]

hmmmm

i think with your set up you should be able to get pretty far

have you started the dungeon?

[little berry]

Nope

[high abyss]

alright

[little berry]

Starting in 22 hours

[high abyss]

xiron what level are the speeds?

[little berry]

Xiron r3

So 115

Im rn running level 9 speed and 2 level 7

[high abyss]

u got ts for sammy?

[little berry]

Yeah 3 level 7 ts

[high abyss]

how bout island protectir

[little berry]

I got 1 level 7 mutant strength and 1 level 7 strength

I can rip off level 8 strength of wyrmlad if needed

[high abyss]

u got a spare ts?

[little berry]

Let me check

[high abyss]

2 str should be good

[little berry]

I got an extra level 4 ts

Make that level 5

[high abyss]

hmmm

ok that can be tweaked since u got time still

plague carrier ideally should have the turn transfer

but sammy being sammy

pain scourge is enough from him

[little berry]

Ok

Anything else ?

[high abyss]

i think you got everything else

just gotta wait for sammy

[little berry]

So 3 speed ruby

2 strength and 1 ts talos

[jagged lake]

I want yimburbur for raggy dungeon

[little berry]

And 3 ts sammy

That sound right

[high abyss]

yah

u can switch that with str if need be

[little berry]

Oki

[high abyss]

the ts

[little berry]

Should i run talos's 80 damage skill ?

Or 50 damage sunburn

[high abyss]

whats ur current skillset

[little berry]

For talos ?

[high abyss]

yah

[little berry]

The ones with the red line i run

Victom chosen is the 80 damage skill

[high abyss]

you can swap between the 50 and 80

if u get to the artifact node

use the 50

since its magic

[little berry]

Ok

What moves for sammy

[high abyss]

death delay

death moratorium

pain scourge

ergotoxicosis/ ergot poisoning

poisoning for 0 cd

eegotoxic for more damage

[little berry]

Ok

Ruby i run

Explosion

Implosion

Lay odds

Mineral blood

Should i make implosion total exhaustion

[high abyss]

depends in the situation

control immunity yes

and during the artifact node u switch out both explosion and implosion

for aoe stamina drain and single stamina drain

[little berry]

Ok

Thanks for the help

[high abyss]

np

[ivory tartan]

Is faraday still gonna be good after madamn fusion?

[high abyss]

yeah

its not like ur gonna run into a madam fusion every battle

[jagged lake]

What runes

[fiery skiff]

There any way to see our progress for all wm dungeons at once or do we have to wait for the cycle to get to those 2 or 3 monsters?

[misty elm]

You need to wait

[little berry]

is that for ragnarok floor 1?

[covert dune]

@jagged lake give all ts to the tree bull thing and give some speed to the epic

[serene meteor]

Runes for llum the iron leader?

all ts ?

also what skills

[little berry]

Ranked?

[serene meteor]

nop

r0

[little berry]

So... /

Leader Shout
Abdicator
Skin Heater
Sabotaged Rations

[serene meteor]

thanks

[ivory tartan]

what runes to put on faraday the dishcharaguer

[misty elm]

[ivory tartan]

k thx

[jagged lake]

Tips what runes and relics or just get a better monster

[frosty remnant]

Today I’m feeling ballsy, if this message gets 6 reactions of the same kind I’ll buy a nemesis chest

(Tbh I’m probably opening one anyways but I want to see if this can get a bit of hype for no real reason :v)

[pseudo jolt]

@frosty remnant buy the 1st chest and post screenshot of what you got

[frosty remnant]

Tbf are the other ones even worth getting

Chest 2 just seems like a scam tbh

[pseudo jolt]

Not really

[frosty remnant]

Eh, just with the fact that there’s only 3 monsters worth noting in it (Talos, Sammy, Nadi)

Tbh they should really just sanction the worst variants of monsters into their own chest (the base forms)

[jagged lake]

Yh and make like 400 gems

[hallow vine]

Yay!

[fickle acorn]

[high abyss]

what relic u get

what emoji is that lol

[sinful dagger]

What makes Nemesis Chest 1 the best

Chest 3 looks better to me

[pseudo jolt]

@sinful dagger

Xiron the ruby

One of the best deniers

[frosty remnant]

@sinful dagger Xiron the Ruby, Faraday the Discharger, 1 of the higher quality warthaks, Talos the Island Protector

As well as Hydra, Llum, Nadi, and Luci being decent pulls

The only real bad apple is the disease spreader imo

[sinful dagger]

I already have Ruby

[pseudo jolt]

And btw discharger is the best form

[little berry]

disease spreader > Hydra

tbh.

[sinful dagger]

Hmm yeah that makes sense

thx for advice

[little berry]

i'd say if anything hydra would be the bad pull but even then he's still decent in his own right

What team for Thalassa?

[hallow vine]

Oh...I got this. Happy with it. Helped a ton in dungeon.

[warped cobalt]

Guys

Need a suggestion

[high abyss]

@warped cobalt wit

[warped cobalt]

Um I already have my warmaster babari

But I want to get Necromancer

And could u guys suggest me best 3 monsters for playing his dungeon?

And rune setups on them

[humble knot]

Do you have a Thalassa or a Ragnarok

[warped cobalt]

No only babari

[little berry]

just use what dark monsters you have already and try

[humble knot]

You should go for Raggy or Thalassa first

[warped cobalt]

I don't have good nature monsters for ragnarok room 1

Cyan Nathura Talika are some I have

[humble knot]

If you're planning to get Necro you should get him at R2 that's when he truly shines

[warped cobalt]

Rank 2?

For that how much should I rank up my monsters?

To R3 or what?