Wouldn’t say those four are the only who top him
#monster-discussion
tame whale
well we all have our opinions and my dark monsters definitely top all my others in quantity so that's why im going with necromancer
winter river
Opinions sometimes gets you nowhere I also wanted to rank necro but realised sherry is a better choice
little berry
Still though, I don’t get it. His Ai is terrible to the point where if you bring another Anticipation monster and use extra turn skills he’ll just recharge. And in general his skills just aren’t that great. Revive is great to have as a backup plan but when it shouldn’t be your main gimmick when in general your monsters shouldn’t be dying if you went in with a proper plan. The TT is nice but still not enough to propel him over a lot of other dark monsters/others in his books, especially when you said Dark is your strongest element. He’s not bad by any means but in general I don’t think he’s worth the orbs. At the end of the day it’s your call though man.
crystal vigil
Also r1 thalassa is very good, especially if you plan to get her r4 eventually
Though r1 rag is probably better by itself
tame whale
i get all of your points but i’m getting other wm with my plan
i just asked if i should rank up the nishant set and use them to get necro
i’m only starting with necro because i already have nishants bg so it’s a good starting point
then i’m doing remntar then sherry then rag
mint wave
oh good, i dont need all legendaries, just strong monsters
severe junco
strong monsters are legendaries
tame whale
well kaori is a strong monster and she's epic and pretty easy to get
but i wouldn't use her tho
over my other monsters
mint wave
tru
severe junco
ill use legenderies
mint wave
whats some good monsters for thalassa
severe junco
for elvira im using al canine , wrymlad and rocigon/gakora
gorg
frosilka
and imigbo
those are very good monser
monsters
little berry
Thetys would do the job as a denier in the dungeon, she’s easily accessible too
mint wave
what about tbg
little berry
If you have a ranked Nautilus he can honestly do really well too
mint wave
what about ledovech
severe junco
you wont even get through half of the floor 1 with that
little berry
In general TBG isn’t great but he’ll probably work fine as a team speed holder, same with Ledovech
severe junco
tbg is as useless as they come
little berry
X to doubt
silent cargo
kraytoven, you have a solid understanding of the game
especially that buy the entire General set plan for wm dungeon, incredibly smart!
eks goddamn dee
vivid estuary
Ok so if someone's goal was to aim for WM thalassa and their lvl 50 what monsters would you suggest to do so
I'd be happy with even R0 thalassa for the mean time
Or is it even possible at my level
barren arch
Level 50 seems too low. Players have achieved it with Epics though.
vivid estuary
High rank epics?
barren arch
Yes.
vivid estuary
Can you advise me to what they used
vivid estuary
I'd have to go see but seen someone say they used Mudflow R2 are they referring to the Rare mudflow
barren arch
Nautilus.
tired ginkgo
mudflow
barren arch
Yes, I saw that.
tired ginkgo
and lv 8 runes
vivid estuary
Yeah damn I don't think I can achieve it like you said then only got lvl 6 runes
neon umbra
get runes from team shop
barren arch
Some steps you will find OK. Others you would need to replay over and over until you got the upper hand.
neon umbra
grindy but you can do it if you can’t afford crafting atm
vivid estuary
I almost cleared floor1 with White Walker, Atlantis, and forgot the other name
But I might have to go the route your saying either way thanks for advice
tired ginkgo
yeah some nodes need to be retrired a lot of times
it will take some time but u will beat them eventually
vivid estuary
Yeah well thank you
vivid estuary
@tired ginkgo would general thetys be of any benefit to attempt it
tired ginkgo
with some high level speed runes she can work
vivid estuary
How high of a level would you say
tired ginkgo
7-8
vivid estuary
I do understand being only lvl 50 this is a big reach but I'm really only aiming for r0 thalassa
Ok thanks
tired ginkgo
thalassa has a high speed stat on last node
vivid estuary
Also who would you recommend on the team with thetys
tired ginkgo
hmm what are your choices
vivid estuary
As of now I have Mudlfow, Atlantis, white walker, that turtle I keep forgetting it's name and few Musu and few others I think
tired ginkgo
flipflotch or smth like that
tired ginkgo
🤔
vivid estuary
Donaturtle
vivid estuary
Ts is team speed correct? Just still learning haha
vivid estuary
Ok lol
So Atlantis with full Ts and Thetys full speed?
And is musu a good attacker? I've never leveled to see it's skills
tired ginkgo
hm not really
vivid estuary
Or use white walker?
tired ginkgo
but u can use a str rune on atlantis if u want
tired ginkgo
✅
vivid estuary
Ok so gonna be lil challenge to rank them so yeah gonna definitely be awhile
tired ginkgo
in the meantime u can collect the orbs
vivid estuary
Yeah I'll do that
tired ginkgo
good luck
wind summit
verbal sky
How many heroic orbs for floor 5?
azure bobcat
verbal sky
Where's that ?
left kestrel
for the war master dungeons would layth kassia and tijen work for the first 2 floors of eliviras floors
limpid spear
It will work if you have good runes
fleet oriole
yeah it'll work
layth and tijen both have a per which is whats needed in elvira's last node
since there's 2 metals just use a few life runes 😛
royal sundial
As some of you may know a youtuber named amor gaming got a R4 sherezar with a rank 5 ruby and a rank 5 neireida. My question is: will i be able to do the same with a r5 zeighar and a r5 neireida?
ashen wing
Answer still will be yes tho
kind crane
R4 tho definitely. Super easy to get r4
silk remnant
At R0 whom should I get: Elvira, Sherezar, Ragnarok
little berry
@silk remnant ragnarok
silk remnant
@little berry Thanx mate
severe junco
speed
dusty nymph
what are some monsters that aren't too difficult to get for floor 1 and 2 ragnarok
upper yew
Does anyone have Elviras skill group 4 moves? I cant find them online
I must be looking in the wrong places
humble knot
@upper yew R1: Rebuke the sinner: aoe 45 light dmg+sunburn
R2: Warmaster Aura:35% heal+precision+dmg boost
R3 Ethereal vigilance:50 dmg( I think) to one enemy+sunburn+bleeding+ self evasion
R4: Light of Salvation: 50 dmg to one enemy + photophobic shield to all allies
upper yew
Awesome, youre a lifesaver. Thank you 😁
spring jolt
Hey. I can't beat thalassah in floor 2. Any suggestions? Any easy to get monsters that will make it easier?
dim cobalt
Mudflow and nauticus -1
little berry
@humble knot Ethereal vigilance 60dmg
fleet oriole
Gorg and mudflow for thalassa r1?
humble knot
@little berry Thank you for correcting me
little berry
vivid estuary
@fleet oriole how high of rank does Mudflow have to be and preferably which skill set
@dim cobalt
dim cobalt
@vivid estuary I’m using r1 gorg, nauticus and mudflow and that will complete floor 1
These moves
pallid ermine
Can you please share the skills for nautilus
humble knot
Prey becomes hunter
Glaciar blast
Surface strike
Pressure strike or Artic Shot
pallid ermine
Thanks @humble knot
humble knot
You're welcome
vivid estuary
@dim cobalt @little berry thanks
rare python
humble nimbus
No, apologies
dim cobalt
😦 I am using r1 gorg, mudflow and nauticus
I may need to wait for my theytys to get r1 next time
limpid spear
@dim cobalt what rune are you using on gorg? Have you tried 3 speed
dim cobalt
Was gonna consider haha as just getting denied. I may try. Currently running normal attacker runes (2 attack 1 ts)
It won’t work this violet has 3 lvl 7 speeds and others w ts and I only have lvl 6 speeds on me
@limpid spear
limpid spear
@dim cobaltyou can try activating rune guardian
dim cobalt
Oh does that boost their effectiveness? @limpid spear
I don’t have it but I’ll get it if so
I thought it meant runes craft faster
limpid spear
You need to wait 1 whole month now 😔
dim cobalt
Yup rip 😦
little berry
Gratzz
worldly lynx
Gratz
fiery skiff
Lol
little berry
Yay! A MoP I can ignore.
tired ginkgo
one of the worst
honest tundra
Who's the worst?
worldly lynx
Barbael
little berry
honest tundra
Lol so it is the worst
worldly lynx
Yep 🤷
little berry
Probably, though I don't understand the team strength on Shademoon.
little berry
That team is good enough for a unranked Sherezar, just gotta swap those runes and your set !
honest tundra
What runes do you recommend and what monsters?
latent obsidian
Bo tai wasper shade-gae
upper yew
Has anyone ever bought the £50 nemesis chests before?
limpid spear
I have bought the smaller one for Sammy twice and got random legendary cells and plague carrier cells.
You can also find videos by armor gaming opening the 50$ chest when they first came out
fiery skiff
@little berry Lmaooo don't u know the stronger u are the faster u are
Sorry that's funny tho. Wanted speed so he put strength.
upper yew
@limpid spear yeah I watched the video of Armor opening the 50$ sammy chest last night and he got 100 Plague, 100 fever, 50 disease and some other random legends. I just feel like he got really luckt tho aha
Id be over the moon with that
All I want is atleast 100 plague and the rest can be random legends lool
fiery skiff
Extremely lucky
upper yew
Yeah exactly aha, I saw him open a ruby anf he got 150 ruby, 100 emerald and the rest legends
So I know he defo got lucky with both
Otherwise Id open Xirons chest instead of Sammys, cause I could rank Ruby to like r2/3
But then again, I read a forum post this morning of 2 people both getting zero nemesis cells from the 50$ chest
And its really scared me lmao
fiery skiff
So dumb tho that u have a much better chance with the $50 one than the 7.99
upper yew
Yeah aha, my luck is normally pretty terrible in games, so fingers crossed
Please dont screw me over SP 😭
Been wanting Sammy since I started the game. I remember seeing him in the monstagram and ever since its been love at first sight 🤣
limpid spear
@upper yew don't base those videos as anything though, I'm pretty sure when armor made those videos there was some kind of bug which gave a lot of nemesis cells compared to what I saw later on discord when the chest came out next time
upper yew
Thats what worries me aha, whatve u seen recently from the chests?
Ive been trying to find recent videos of the chest openings, but they all seem to be from like a year ago
fiery skiff
When chests first came out the chances were much higher than 50% even the 7.99 chests. That's how I got my PC cells
upper yew
I bought 1 7.99 sammy chest last month and got 50 tankerion cells 🤣
upper yew
Miles better aha
I dunno tho, Ill still get the chest. Lets just hope I can atleast get 1 of the sammys
Unless another £50 offer comes up that I cant refuse
Like the 1.7k gems, O'Reilly and x rune offer
Ill only get that offer if its O'Reilly tho
upper yew
Cheers man, Im gonna need it 😅
vocal sentinel
What nemesis recommend to buy?
little berry
Depends on what you’re looking for and what element you’d need the most help in
If you’re looking for strictly best monsters Sammy PC/FS or Xiron the Ruby are probably your best bet, but you have to take into account that with the Xiron chest the other variants besides Ruby aren’t too great so it’s more risky to spend on
inland trail
Sammy chest is the safest
fleet oriole
Mudflow R3/R4 + Gorg R2 can beat thalassa floor 3 right
upper yew
Should be able to if u have good runes
I think some people put speed on Gorg for the final node? But Im not exactly sure
No nemesis days this week then from the looks of it :(
gilded coyote
you mean survival dungeon?
little berry
Yes
gilded coyote
Have to wait and see 🤷
little berry
It will show up this month
It was always in the beggining. I mean beetwenn 6 - 9 day of month
I checked in weakly calendars
But we will see 🙂
gilded coyote
It's shown up the second weekend a fair few times
inland trail
Which is this one
upper yew
This weekend is the second weekend
They normally say nemesis days on the weekly calender. Maybe they just forgot this time 😅
Fingers crossed its this weekend tho lol
gilded coyote
they've forgotten before
inland trail
Yeah it happened once
little berry
My teammate says that once dungeons were around 15 day of month.
So maybe they postpone them
upper yew
Forgotten to release nemesis days, or forgotten to put it on the calender? 😅
little berry
I hope that in calendar 🤔 🙂
upper yew
The one month I decide to finally get sammy and they postpone it 😭🤣
gilded coyote
There isn't anywhere that says it's been postponed
upper yew
Yeah true, Im just assuming the worst
gilded coyote
Always fair with SP but there isn't cause to worry until after the first two weekends
upper yew
Yeah Its just I probably wont have the money to spare on it after this week aha
Always lending money out cause Im a fool lol
Figured Id spend it all now so I have an excuse not to 🤣
inland trail
Yes
dim cobalt
inland trail
Even bigger yes
dim cobalt
Oh cool. I’m 12 cells off
slender frost
R2 barbael new move?
slender frost
Ok nvm
upper yew
Sorry mate, i dont have him so no idea
And I cant seem to find the right website that shows everyones group 4 skills
vivid estuary
What are good teams for floor 1 and 2 ragnarok
vivid estuary
Also is kozorg I think his name was. Strong or good enough to use for thalassa when it comes back around
ivory tartan
Is llum the light of freedom good?
fiery skiff
Decent support
@vivid estuary floor 1 should be quite easy talika or ophicious or primiginis fatid alpha. Easy floor
Floor 2
The last node is a major struggle
I got by with buro I think. Baba yaga and balor
But koralle would be a big help
vivid estuary
@fiery skiff I'll have to see what I have and if I can get the ones I don't but thank you
tame whale
can you still pay for nemesis monsters? idk a lot about nemesis days and what not
dusty nymph
@upper yew whats the move
ionic jungle
The only way you can get a nemesis it’s when the survival dungeon comes on and on the door thingie
misty elm
Am I the only one who thinks base Llum is a competent attacker?
limpid spear
Her base damage is 3377, pretty low for attacker role
final moss
People voted for her for the skills
limpid spear
I think most people didn't realize it was the base version
limpid spear
Yeah I saw them, they are decent
little berry
Those skills are much better than decent
inland trail
@misty elm she can be an attacker, 3rd best light one in fact after the metal llum and elvira
And yeah, her skills are pretty OP, combined with the trait and relic slots 
misty elm
What about Wyrmlad?
inland trail
He's not an attacker to start with, and as an attacker not as good as them
misty elm
He is 🤔
inland trail
He's more of a hybrid
Not really that good as an attacker
misty elm
In that case Llum is a hybrid too
inland trail
Yes, but she can be a pure attacker if you need her too
Wyrm doesn't really deal enough damage to be called an attacker
high abyss
lul
limpid spear
Just having more damage doesn't make a good attackers wyrm is way better then lumm
inland trail
Because?
limpid spear
Better skills overall
inland trail
Do you even know llum's skills?
limpid spear
And trait
Yeah I know her skills and that is why I don't get why she is being praised this much
high abyss
wyrmlad > llum as an attacker
inland trail
So her skills are?
frosty reef
Llum is more like a suppport
limpid spear
Decent for a light legend
inland trail
Give me their perks
frosty reef
That removes negative effects heals and remove positive effects
humble knot
She has an aoe 50dmg+PER+blind and dmg reduction
limpid spear
Again elvira can do that betty
humble knot
Aoe NER+double dmg+precision
high abyss
doesnt matter much if u dont run her with damage runs
50 aoe means nothing as a support
inland trail
Llum's not an attacker but can be if you need her
humble knot
Aoe PER+special weakness+ stamina leak
limpid spear
Elvira rank up skills are much better
humble knot
Aoe NER+30% heal
limpid spear
So what Sammy can do that
inland trail
You still haven't listed a single skill
limpid spear
Sammy can heal better
inland trail
Oh let's compare her to the best in the game now, just supporting my argument
humble knot
I'm listing her skills and I like her
high abyss
still wished we got lucifire
frosty reef
Well llum is older than elvira and wrymlad . Now is a different meta
limpid spear
You want me to compare it to Elvira?
high abyss
i dont have enough light cells to rank llum if i get her xd
humble knot
It's true that her stats are a bit low but she's a 2 years old monster
frosty reef
Wrymlad + taunt monster +oreilly
high abyss
eh i like em both
limpid spear
Let's see evasion at the beginning, 50% heal damage protection
inland trail
So you will always have a taunter? We're talking about war
humble knot
Llum can remove all these effects
frosty reef
Wrymlad is safe
inland trail
No
Not with llum
Llum is one of two monsters who can control the battle without denying
Other being samael
Who's the best in the game
limpid spear
No she can't control the battle
high abyss
how
frosty reef
Yes but llum cant touch wrymlad
inland trail
By constantly healing and removing effects, blinding, giving stamina leak
That doesn't make wyrm better
high abyss
dont they have trash ai though
inland trail
Llum doesn't
high abyss
sammy i know for a fact has terrible ai
inland trail
Wyrm is new so don't know yet
limpid spear
Constantly healing? As I said Elvira can do that also she can remove those effects
inland trail
Not terrible
frosty reef
Also now almost every war one monster has anticipation or megataunt
inland trail
Elvira can't PER/blind though
humble knot
Guys it's a free nemesis, the vote is over and whatever you say Llum is still a good monster better than Hydratilla, Luci and Nadiel
hasty dock
Better than Nadiel, yes
frosty reef
You cant blind elvira team
limpid spear
She can remove though, and she does have percision skill
hasty dock
Riftmaker, maybe
inland trail
And no, not every new monster has anticipation and megataunt
Which llum doesn't care about
hasty dock
But not better than Luci 😉
high abyss
i wanted luci to win ;-;
inland trail
Hopefreezer is quite good too
frosty reef
I said in war not new monsters
humble knot
Ahhh maybe you're right @hasty dock because Luci is a heavy hitter
hasty dock
Not just a heavy hitter
inland trail
Also boosted by the current meta
humble knot
That PER, blinds and applies Damage reduction
limpid spear
Luci is decent
inland trail
She's way better than decent
limpid spear
That skill isn't that amazing @humble knot
inland trail
She has more
frosty reef
Riftmaker is the earth one with stun ?
limpid spear
I have helltaser and she is decent
hasty dock
Yes @frosty reef
frosty reef
He's good
hasty dock
@limpid spear u have no idea how badass Hopefreezer is
humble knot
If we compare the basic Llum with the basic Luci then Llum is better but if we are talking about other versions of Luci then they both win
hasty dock
Agreed: the Hydratilas are very, very underrated
humble knot
Hopefreezer has a 75dmg that freezes
hasty dock
We were comparing the Nemeses up for the poll
limpid spear
I do, helltaser and hopefreezer only have 2 different skills
inland trail
IL/MM are way better than any luci
But the hopefreezer is better than LoF
Elemental advantage
And freeze instead of stun
hasty dock
Lets face it, the glory days of the Nemeses are gone
frosty reef
Cain has 
. Any monster with essence relics has a good advantage
inland trail
Not really
humble knot
Only Samael is able to survive these days
inland trail
The OP ones will still dominate 
high abyss
cuz sam is in his own role
hasty dock
None of them are OP
high abyss
no other monster has a skillset like him
inland trail
Llum, warthak, faraday, ruby, luci, talos, even pyro
inland trail
Seems like you're jumping on the new monster bandwagon too 
frosty reef
Pyro nadiel + new race monster
hasty dock
The rest are good, yes, but well balanced
humble knot
Even Xiron is now easily countered by bringing Megataunt and Immune to controle monsters
hasty dock
I'm only fair 😅
hasty dock
@humble knot that's a misconception
inland trail
Well 4, but 2 are nemeses (warthak)
Which are apparently not so good nowdays according to some
hasty dock
Well, the game's come a long way
humble knot
You mean CDA and Stamina drain skills
frosty reef
Warthak destroys
high abyss
hookuai best attacker
inland trail
Non
high abyss
😄
humble knot
Pourquoi pas?
hasty dock
Warthak still has awesome firepower, but he's soooo vulnerable to blind ☹️
frosty reef
Turn transfer with sammy
inland trail
Well in the case of nemeses, llum, sammy, warthak, faraday and ruby are still the #1 in their element
Pyro and luci top 5, talos 2 after timerion, hydratila top 10 as well
slow imp
Isn't every immune to control monster vulnerable to blind and total blind?
inland trail
Yes
humble knot
Anticipation exists
hasty dock
@slow imp Gortak is somewhat free from it
slow imp
Oh yeah
humble knot
Hookuai can do a self skill to setup for the next turn
humble knot
Better than recharging
frosty reef
Wrymlad can remove that setup with one attack
inland trail
Llum can remove it and give DD+precision to everyone
Or heal and give a damage boost
Also he's not immune to control so you trying to make him seem better like this won't work 
inland trail
Nothing
I don't like people overrating him even more than cain when he was released
frosty reef
hasty dock
Admit it, he's as good a support as Llum
high abyss
hes really good though lol
inland trail
Good but not close to llum or elvira
crystal vigil
Wow a monster deals a lot of damage with double damage and triple damage
What a surprise
inland trail
And probably a lot of str :wowie:
frosty reef
Thats a 35 attack
hasty dock
By that argument, u should see how much dmg Lady Solaris can do against Sammy with those buffs
high abyss
or xiron
hasty dock
I named Sammy, because he is a Spirit, and Winged
inland trail
Or any monster with strength runes
frosty reef
Cmon guys wrymlad is a better attcker than llum and elvira face it. But for support llum and elvira are way more better
inland trail
No
hasty dock
Wyrmlad is NOT an attacker when ranked 😶
limpid spear
Lumm can't revive though
inland trail
I'll admit he's a better attacker than the MM
But not the others
high abyss
i wonder why he has such low damage attacks
inland trail
You won't need to revive with llum 
hasty dock
The only reason Nemeses have lost some of their value, in my eyes atleast, is the existence of Area Dodge
inland trail
Some
high abyss
maybe because he specifically uses dragon hater or somethin
much like lady solaris...
frosty reef
Also evasion
inland trail
Llum and sammy can't touch area dodge in most cases but the others are good
limpid spear
@inland trail you say as if you've never lost a battle with lumm
hasty dock
Wyrmlad has a 2 turn Evasion
high abyss
1 turn*
inland trail
Well only times I've lost is when facing elite teams 
hasty dock
No, 2
high abyss
its 1
since it lasts till the next turn
because of the extra turn
basically self applying evasion
humble knot
It's 2 when you face anticipation
hasty dock
It applies Evasion in the original turn too
inland trail
:wowie:
high abyss
but gives an extra turn
inland trail
You shouldn't use the skill against anticipation in the first place
high abyss
so it makes it 1
hasty dock
Yes, and Evasion persists
high abyss
1 turn evasion
inland trail
And your teammates commit ded
humble knot
I don't run that skill
high abyss
beledig has the same thing
humble knot
Teskita too
hasty dock
Unlike Wyrmlad, the Nemeses tear apart Beledig
Sammy, Llum, Warthak, Hydratila- all of them
high abyss
only monster that gives 2 turn evasion is furrius robin
inland trail
Well it would be pointless if it was 1 turn TBH
high abyss
a true 2 turn evasion
humble knot
Who uses Robin ?
high abyss
just sayin
hasty dock
Wyrmlad's revival is unique too... U either need another Wyrmlad, or 2 Per Monsters to deal with it quickly
high abyss
everyone says its 2 turn evasion for whrm
but its only 1
since it gives an extra turn
inland trail
:wowie:
hasty dock
Just imagine a troublesome Ragnarok/Thalassa/Sherezar coming back to life mid-match
frosty reef
@high abyss yes but when your facing an anticipation monster he has evasion for 2 turns because the anticipation attack before getting that extra turn
inland trail
Well if thalassa came bacc you'd most likely have your own thalassa and it wouldn't matter
Still one
Because he goes after
hasty dock
Thalassa coming back is bad
humble knot
No you can't deal with it because the other Thalassa has Positive effects protection
hasty dock
There's no telling what happens with her
frosty reef
Then she uses her ult
inland trail
humble knot
Unless you use high pressure fluid and then Abyss bottom
hasty dock
@inland trail maybe not in mid-late match
high abyss
i dont think it can
inland trail
Depends how you play
crystal vigil
It can
hasty dock
Stamina is a handicap that late match
inland trail
It can
crystal vigil
If you have enough stamina
high abyss
what order?
inland trail
I always save skills/stamina by often recharging
crystal vigil
HPF
TC
PE
HPF
TC
AB
high abyss
its 2-2-4 and i forgot abyss bottom
humble knot
High>chosen>Plankton eater>high
frosty reef
I havent seen using the revival skill on ragnarok
hasty dock
@frosty reef that's because nobody sensible uses it on def
humble knot
It's dangerous against another ragnarok
inland trail
Or any anticipator except necro for that matter
hasty dock
U forgot Zeighar 😂
inland trail
Yes
crystal vigil
Yes
high abyss
but hpf wouldnt be on cooldown
humble knot
HPF has 2t CD
hasty dock
It doesn't
humble knot
Plankton Eater is the 3rd skill you wany to choose
inland trail
CDs of HPF in the sequence
frosty reef
it took 3 mins to understand what tc pe hpf are 🤣
inland trail
Well you don't always have to use the full sequence
When you don't have to use it you can save it so abyss bottom comes off CD faster
That's how I play which is why I never have those stamina/CD issues John mentioned 
high abyss
my thalassa only r2 rip
hasty dock
And now, Wyrmlad too ☹️
inland trail
Welp just OHK at the right moment ez 
inland trail
For instance I'll recharge with my attacker for 2-3 of their turns if need be just so I can OHK at the right moment
hasty dock
And it doesn't help if Three Wishes or Three Horsemen pop up at an unfortunate moment
I don't have an attacker in my PvP attack team
I count on TC and DoTs
inland trail
War :wowie:
Well DOTs make it easier for me
Also you should know I absolutely never talk about pvp
hasty dock
PvP is quite enjoyable sometimes
inland trail
True
hasty dock
As for war, it has 2 outcomes for us: either we sweep, or we get swept by the likes of RV 😂😂
inland trail
For me it's when I used double sammy and pyro
Literally no chance to lose against rag+taunt+o'reilly
Team which controls the battle with no denier
hasty dock
I'm enjoying my Thalassa as of now
fading shell
Is Wasper 
, =
Dungeon Master 
and Eggeater a decent team for sherezar?
inland trail
Yes, but on the sherry node you want eggeater to go first and stun him
But free rune swap 
jagged lake
runes for unranked remntar
cinder anchor
/ 
jagged lake
k
dusty nymph
should i go for thalassa r1 or remntar r0
muted aspen
😬 I tell my members to go for Rem R1 before everyone but maybe Elvira.
Good Anticipator, Jack of all trades, random SC to frighten attackers/give a slight chance when outclassed, & Death Door + No more failures + they are weak/Queen's call seems perfect for Dunn, Mephi, & other tanks.
little berry
You mixed up Remntar and Ragnarok, but yeah Rag is great
muted aspen
🙈🙈🙈 I just woke up? 😂😂😂
Yes, agree in a tough choice & R1 Thalassa getting the edge over r0 Rem 😝👍
dreamy canopy
Llum freedom is best nemesis
tired ginkgo
🤔
silent grotto
gilded coyote
That's not even a good troll saying Llum freedom is the best lol
fiery skiff
Lol
upper yew
Hey @little berry I just seen your recent video. Can u walk me through the team health and 2 str on your sherry?
Or did u just swap runes?
little berry
@upper yew for pvp or going for Sherry?
upper yew
Nah I mean the runes u had on your Sherry
It was a team health and 2 strength runes
I was just wondering if that was your normal set up
upper yew
Ah ok, fair enough
upper yew
I did mate, Ive been watching a few of your videos. Especially liking these new commentarys 😁 Altho I was sad when we didnt get to see u open your pvp/race rewards 😅
Unless youre saving them for a mass opening video?? 👀👀
@little berry
little berry
Yea normally open them right away but I'm saving 50 gold for a video
I also want to do individual monster analysis videos
upper yew
Ooo 50 gold chest video 😍
I genuinely think itd be take me a year to get 50 gold chests 😂
fiery skiff
If u have the gems and ur desperate. Give all the lvl 5 runes to talika. Unless she's only got that 1 rune slot.
Then team speed the others and I guess see from there
dusty nymph
i would give more runes if they had the slot
i went offline and spent all my gems making talika fast as possible and it didn't do anything
cause those monsters are just so tanky and all i can do is deny
small stag
I am at the same point, my talika is faster, gets the stuns, but they are just too hardy and spam too much positive effects and NER.
dusty nymph
yeah thanks to zahras double life
we are on the rag dungeon y do we have to fight another wm as well 😭
small stag
You need a warmaster to get a warmaster 😓
A rank will do my monsters some good hopefully 💪
atomic elm
For that floor i used r3 fatid r3 talika and r3 charmless was super easy
And for floor 2 i used r1 burotgor r1 balor and r1 brutalis
small stag
My charmless's ass gets kicked by Rag, anticipation and his random always mega controll skill 😅
I'll have r1 Fatid, r2 Talika, r0 Charm
atomic elm
But my charmless had one lvl 7 strength and was r 3 it took me like 2 or three hits to finish him off
misty elm
Ragnarok doesn't have random control skills.
upper yew
Rag has his rank up moves
So the mega freeze and mega stun will be from his stolen Gortak and thalassa moves
I assume anyway, thats the only thing I can think of as to why thatd happen
gilded coyote
He does both of those so probably did that to you
misty elm
They are fixed effects on his moves, not random ones.
Mega Freeze is rank 2 and Mega Stun is rank 4.
small stag
haha okay 😅 still hard to deal with : P
honest nova
Thalassa Elvira or rem? (r0)
upper yew
Elvira
kind crane
Rag
kind crane
Shezza
misty elm
Yes, Elvira is the best at 100
little berry
Rag
kind crane
It ain’t
inland trail
Yes she is
gilded coyote
Sherry is phenomenal unranked, True Vision is the greatest buff there is
little berry
mint wave
what are ur thoughts on thalassa
winter river
She is the worst WM don't go for her it's a waste
inland trail
3rd best in the game 
vernal berry
hm?
inland trail
Sammy PC/FS betterer
little berry
For real tho she’s really good
Decent unranked but gets a lot better at R1, gets really good at R3 and broken at R4+
winter river
Maybe yea
neat badger
Yes kai-yol. I found that floor to be extremely easy using Sunblast.
dreamy canopy
@mint wave she eats a lot of plankton... nom mom nom...
astral vector
@neat badger actually surprisingly easy with the AOE CDA move. Except I realized after I finished the 30th node I only had 3k orbs when I started, oops
neat badger
bummer
drowsy stream
tired ginkgo
congrats
atomic elm
I used burotgor balor and koralle
chilly vale
Wondering what mons people used for the last node on the first floor of Ragnarok, ive tried it 20 times and can't even come close using Fatid, Charmless, and Talika. Any specific nature guys I should be using? Or do I need to jack their runes up?
jagged lake
I’m preparing for rag floor two these are the monster I have and what I can craft I also have mountezuma what should my team be and runes
kind crane
You got any earth epics ranked?
humble knot
@chilly vale Please don't use Charmless against Ragnarok and you'll be fine
river jasper
Anyone know if you keep the nemesis souls after the chest are gone because I think the come back every month?
hallow vine
Survival Dungeon today?
tame beacon
Its been removed to fix some issues with it, but should be back today
hallow vine
Ok!
Thank you! 😊
pine goblet
That’s why it kicked me out and disappeared
little berry
Got myself a PC!!
humble knot
After testing her ib the Nemesis Challenger I'm liking the basic Llum a lot more
honest nova
same but shes still garbage at her base form
inland trail
Base llum - Is OP and the 3rd best light
Gets called garbage
fiery skiff
Lol
gilded coyote
Base Llum OP, lololol
dim cobalt
What’s the best nemesis chest?
misty elm
@gilded coyote she has hard hitting moves, so she's valid as an attacker
But the Metal one is the best Llum attacker
stark rain
What is the best way to get nemesis souls?
stark rain
ok
stark rain
how ofter nemesis days are?
fiery skiff
Apparently every month now
high abyss
yis
misty elm
Technically 4*50 for a Nemesis you want, but yeah
odd compass
brazen spoke
yes
upper yew
Does Sammy DS have unholy rez?
upper yew
Thats awesome, so chest 1 is great
Kinds want Warthak from it tho ngl
Ruby is just not gonna happen
inland trail
Chest one is the best
DS only differs from the others because of the worse TT, slightly lower life and damage
mortal oyster
Did they fix the dungeon?
little berry
Yes
mortal oyster
Tysm🤗
little berry
:)
fleet oriole
hey guys
i have a question
I currently have a ruby at R3. i was wondering if i should:
A. Go for Llum in MoP probably have to spend some $.
B. Buy the 25 soul thing 4 times (£20). and buy a nemesis chest
if i buy a nemesis chest, since i already have ruby which should i get?
i know 1 is the best but i wondered if it was different since i already have a ruby
fleet oriole
choose to get a chest and got llum iron
river laurel
Go for Samael the Plague Carrier
Has one of the best turn transfer skills in the game
fiery skiff
But the other choices in that chests are so bad
winter river
Try first or third
river laurel
All 3 chests have some bad monsters lol, they’re all risky
little berry
Not bad at all!
regal isle
upper yew
Like the worst one aint it?
gritty wren
I got llum the iron leader and nadiel the flooder. They both seem just OK as far as nemesis monsters go...
But they're my first nemesis so that's cool
jade fiber
boreal kernel
Burutogor general atum and koralle brutalis
signal heath
You should have a denier probably work on getting baba
fading shell
Or Balor
tranquil pendant
Ragna runes?
tired ginkgo
ts
misty elm
Hehe 1v1 😄
worn sun
Which Warthak is considered the better one to get?
inland trail
Dark one is the best
He has a single and aoe PER so I wouldn't worry about dunn either
The sunbringer can OHK those OP and annoying darks like sammy or helgudin
worn sun
Thanks for the suggestions
misty elm
Which is better? Dark or Earth Faraday?
little berry
misty elm
Wow
misty elm
Then i don't really need any of the 25 cells Nemesis monsters
Next time I'll pick up an Earth Faraday
gilded coyote
Yikes, 600 gems for base Xiron, lot of orbs wasted
river aspen
Orbs？
gilded coyote
that's 600 gems that could've been spent on something useful, like orbs
river aspen
Oh yea
radiant goblet
I'm guessing this has been discussed before, but I can't find it with searching (do direct me there if it exists), but I wanted to know what people think the best moveset options are for unranked Ragnarok? I am thinking Demon's Flames (disable trait+total blind), Grandmaster's Wisdom (CDA+Curse), Archangel's Blessing (AoE NER + heal + self-evasion) and Death Door (75% life removal). This skips the Blacksmith's Masterpiece (ally skill mirror + nanovirus), Mother Nature's Energy, World of Pain, etc. I could also use the rest of my orbs to get Rank 1 and the No More Failures move... Thoughts?
tired ginkgo
for r0 metal,death door,nature and light skills and for r1 metal,death door, no more failures and light skills works wonders
radiant goblet
Ok. Yeah I kept debating myself on the metal - all ally skill mirror... seems quite good. Why the nature damage mirror over the deny options (demon flames or grandmaster's wisdom)? With both skill mirror and evasion moves, seems like the nature move isn't as critical....
verbal sky
what is the best talos?
dreamy canopy
How come SP never released an actual nature nemesis??
little berry
Wot
little berry
Nadiel for Nature and Hydratila for Water
dreamy canopy
Really?
little berry
Hydra is a bit messed up tho
dreamy canopy
I see
little berry
Only one of his variants is in Water I believe
dreamy canopy
Nadiel any good??
winter river
Yeah one in water one in thunder and the other is earth I bet sp was going to do the same with all other nemesis and realised it's a bad idea
dreamy canopy
I got 550 metal cells, should rank a talos or makgugan??
verbal sky
idk if i want to spend 100 nem souls on a chance chest or just save 200 for the one i want
little berry
Which Talos is it?
little berry
I’d save 200 but up to you
verbal sky
yeh thats what im gonna do
little berry
Makugan then
dreamy canopy
But... talos is a nemesis
little berry
Yes but base Talos isn’t too great, not bad but not worth it imo
verbal sky
sad need to wait next month for 200
little berry
dreamy canopy
Hmmm
Not sure if I can outspeed barbael
What should I do?? My ruby died
This is 5he best team I got
winter river
👌
tired ginkgo
cool i got the same
winter river
upper yew
Nice job! Thats what I was hoping for :'(
neon umbra
should i use elementium to rank
little berry
Yes
neon umbra
thanks
mint wave
do u think samael is goot.
upper yew
Yes
Hes the best nemesis
All 3 varients are good aswell, so u cant got wrong with either. Although Plague Carrier is the best
stone python
Did they tweak the nemesis dungeon? The enemy teams are starting next battle at full health and stamina even when had timerion at like 400 health before my team died.
Or does it only save enemy team deaths?
dim cobalt
Is Lucifer the helltaster any good?
high abyss
its aight
hallow vine
Nervous now!!!
high abyss
watch out for barb
throw teamspeeds onto warthak if u need to
if u outspeed barb u win
upper yew
Meanwhile Im here dreaming of a chance to even enter this dungeon 😔😟
little berry
@high abyss Just clear the tb lol
astral vector
How'd I do? I literally have no idea which are good, this is my first.
I never really expected to get one as niap so I never bothered learning which was better
little berry
Very good
sand coral
Best Faraday imo, congrats!
astral vector
Thanks! That makes me feel even better now!
boreal kernel
I don’t like farday, not that good
sand coral
he's still one of the best nemesis monsters and still very relevant in the current meta
little berry
^
Anticipation isn’t as unique as it used to be but still the only one in Thunder, in general a really nice attacker and good in his books too
And if we’re talking Discharger specifically elemental advantage is always great to have
stoic aspen
can you rank up nemesis monsters with elementium / elemental cells?
little berry
yes
little berry
yup
stoic aspen
ah ty: now im gonna farm up cells so when i get xirion the ruby i can get it ranked up i guess
also finally got floor 1 of barbaels dungeon done
crystal vigil
Why barbael?
severe junco
@stoic aspen bruh you cant use ruby for barbael
stoic aspen
i am aware
i went for barbael just for the fire cells tbh plus i like his design
i was checking that for sharezar or however you spell that
severe junco
fire cells to rank up what?
stoic aspen
cain, flambe, sunblast etc
severe junco
dude you really made me sad for a second
i thought ruby was fire element and i couldnt use him for shere dungeon
but thank goodness thats not the case
little berry
Faraday the obscure any good?
sturdy ridge
Is it worth buying the nemesis chest for gems? And which one should i buy?
little berry
Imo no and if you are the first one
fiery skiff
Uhh warthak has per doesn't he?
I've vsed a couple warthaks lately guess cuz everyone has been getting him. Go for Ruby I guess. But it can only get u so far until u run into mega taunt evasion and what ever else they have in the future. Good luck
inland trail
If you have sherezar go for warthak to be more economical and strengthen both elements otherwise ruby easily
cloud oasis
I’ve got this going for me...
I’m pretty excited that I found a use for all the epics (and nothing else) that I’ve gotten from recent breeding events
misty elm
Destroy them all!!! 😈
stoic aspen
do you guys think ill be able to get through the first floor of sharezhars dungeon with wasper, violet and pixel warrior
misty elm
Possible
little berry
Samael is like the best nemesis
winter river
Plague carrier
misty elm
Like you can just get it
tired ginkgo
@misty elm what happened to ur pfp
topaz kernel
limber notch
congrats!
fickle acorn
kind crane
Fs
frosty remnant
Alright, eventually opened chest one
And what did you think I got?
Did I get lucky and get ruby
Did I hit a simple icebringer
Nope
I hit the only nemesis monster in the chest that I actually own
Honestly, I’m devastated that I paid money to get the backend of luck
Guessing I’m probably never going to get a nemesis that isn’t named Faraday
lusty shell
plague
winged flume
is it because hes faster
little berry
Precisely why it’s better to just go with cells imo
Higher in cost but you know what you’re getting
winged flume
Yeah
fickle acorn
Ye
winged flume
If I did a monsterwood offer for 1900 gems, should I buy any of the chests or should I just save? 600 is steep
cerulean sand
Which nemesis chest do I buy?
velvet spindle
1st
cerulean sand
Got Warthak the mountainsplitter, is he good?
little berry
Debatable between him and Discharger
inland trail
Ruby and sammy are the best from that chest
3rd probably faraday
But warthak is extremely good too
upper yew
Atleast it wasnt Luci, Hydra, Llum or Nadiel ey 😅😭
Id have cried tears of joy for Mountainsplitter
boreal kernel
Atleast I got discharger not Lucifer lol
inland trail
Ironically all those you listed under 'At leayt' are very good, especially llum kek
fickle acorn
inland trail
Smag be like:
DS better than Lagercahun/X to doubt
dreamy canopy
Are these nemesis souls permanent or will they disappear like maze coins??
I only have 80
little berry
Permanent
inland trail
In reality DS only has worse attacker abilities, slightly lower life and not as good TT
He's still an OP support with all the key skills, one of which is not as OP as for the other two, but besides that he's got everything
little berry
OP
misty elm
Samael?
little berry
Yes
high abyss
o i meant to say flooder lol
little berry
magic flax
hey at least none of u guys got lucifire the helltaser
mint wave
y
little berry
@little berry Talos with mutated runes and a particular relic is better than a Faraday with equal improvements. Talos was designed to evolve.
candid oasis
talos can easily wipe out faraday you dont know