thallasa with anticipation
#monster-discussion
mental hazel
little berry
R0 Ragnarok R5 Thalassa. @wind summit
little berry
^
pearl oyster
Well since y'all talking about flexing another players Ragnarok, here's my Ragnarok
At lvl 100
mossy sorrel
😂
pearl oyster
As a lvl 62🙂
mossy sorrel
I'm lvl 56 🙂
river aspen
I am lvl 66
little berry
I am lvl 100 lul
little berry
Lvl x runes is good
hollow agate
Oof
tired ginkgo
😂
autumn valve
What shud i name my necromancer
polar valve
necrocancer
little berry
😂
mossy sorrel
🤣
hardy temple
😂
mossy sorrel
That's a great name 👌
autumn valve
And i shall name him that
mossy sorrel
heavy fiber
@hardy temple I thought u quit playing monster legends
odd compass
is lucifire the helltaser good?
little berry
Yes
little berry
Wowie lucky 
Gratzz !!
vague surge
odd compass
sorry im on a desktop
rich matrix
how many people got a nemesis from their chest
dapper hinge
I've seen 3 screenshots so far
One Base Sammy, One Nature Talos and One Mountainsplitter Warthak
upper yew
Does Thalassa get Cryotan breath at r1?
little berry
Yes
upper yew
Awesome!
little berry
upper yew
Itll nice to actually use her for once lol
little berry
Anyone recommend a third slot for 120 Thalassa Dungeon?
Hookuai 130, Vapwhirl/Nannuk, [ ]
high abyss
you try nautilus bonesaw?
gen thetys could work but shes super slow
if u have gorg ranked though thats an ez gg
little berry
I’m assuming he doesn’t have a 130 Frosilka, cheapest option would probably be Thetys. Slow but that won’t really matter in the dungeon.
haughty lance
How many orbs does floor 2 of warmaster dungeon cost?
violet violet
You guys think gorg could solo thelasa dungeon up to rank 4
With epics/rates
130 gorg with all X runes
I am thinking maybe speed
For his aoe per stun
Or what water monster
mossy sorrel
Gorg is enough is u r using lvl 10 runes
U can kill thalassa easily
Use the epics and rares with all ts to help him to first
autumn valve
I got C.Y.M.O, it appears there is a bigger chance of getting just old monsters
little berry
@high abyss Nautilis is at rank 4, I guess I could just wait it out till it shows up in Monsterwood
@little berry Thanks for the info. Ive been sleeping on Frosilka dont have her yet. Something I'll invest in the future
little berry
Disagree... She's a totally different monster 🤔
Had it been about, say, Kihaku then yes, he wouldn't be needed because Thalassa does the control for you.
kind crane
That’s like saying firesaur is a different monster to Cain, so you’d still use him 🤣
Frosilka is in families and sea. Same as thalassa. Thalassa undoubtably superior. Yes you can use it for Villain but most would be going for Dunn Ra in that situation
getting a monster from 0 - 130 would have to be pretty special in general. But alas, frosilka is outclassed and outmatched 😉
Is it worth the amount of money needed? Nope it ain’t
gilded coyote
@little berry Frosilka is a phenomenal monster and the best water TS holder you can get, hands down
gaunt stirrup
1st try
gilded coyote
First try for parents?
little berry
Yeh you better check if it's the parents or the actual breed Lol
Thou why is this posted here, helegudin ain't a nemesis or a WM
crystal vigil
Well for me frosilka is super useful since I don't have a 120 thalassa yet
little berry
I still feel frostika has her uses
gilded coyote
She has plenty of uses, to think otherwise isn't very smart
hasty dock
I have a 120 Thalassa, and I still find Frosilka useful 😉
fleet oriole
flex
mossy sorrel
😂
inland trail
Which one?
fickle acorn
Let us see a pic of it. 
quiet scroll
Get 2 nemsis 😱😱I am so luckky my memberd purchase gems pack and I get other chest
fickle acorn
When'd you open them?
polar valve
one seems to be taken from different device, probably emulator
fickle acorn
I'm skeptical about the pics.
fiery skiff
Hax
ember plume
Both looks stolen
fickle acorn
Yup.
rare python
Ye
inland trail
Looking at the discussion in #submit-ideas
Luci and hydratila are still top 5 in their elements, I'd even give top 3 to luci (because of the current meta) and top 5 to hydratalia (although ranking waters from 3 to 9 is very difficult, there's many who're quite close)
wind plank
🤔
errant parcel
I want to open the birthday chest but I feel it's the wrong day. None of my team mates have got any nemesis yet. What do u guys think
honest nova
Open it
pure rover
Just open it
inland trail
Teammate got this
tired ginkgo
dim cobalt
Wow
hasty dock
What I wouldn't give to own a Discharguer....
summer swift
Is Remntar good?
jagged lake
Yh
summer swift
You think I can get him with 105 Uther, 110 Mirak and 110 Ultrabot?
jagged lake
Probably
tranquil hamlet
Literally the only tasks I see
barren arch
@tranquil hamlet wrong channel.
tranquil hamlet
😑😑😑
little berry
Hydra definitely not top 5 in Water
Luci would have to better than Mephisto, Flambé, and Sunblast to be in top three, which I don’t see at all, and she’d have to be better than Ingenica, Belbreath, Cain, Drakor, and a few others to even be top five.
hasty dock
I strongly disagree about Luci not being better than Mephisto
Also, the Hopefreezer (and maybe Helltaser) is as good as, if not a better attacker than Cain
Drakor is only possibly better because of his relic slots, for Luci can't OHK him
little berry
im going to have rank 1 wymlad should i rank up my saika, bella baal, or demise
for elvira
inland trail
Hydratila is also extremely underrated
He can be a good attacker, denier and support with good relic slots
65 spacial dmg, 0 CD/stamina, give stamina regen to your team and stamina leak to the enemy, much beter than another popular water, hookai, who does deal 5 more dmg but it's water and doesn't have effects, and his other skills are also very good
Him and gorg are also very close, although gorg can serve as a better attacker, hydratila is a better supportive monster
dreamy canopy
Is it possible to complete thalassa's floor 5 with some rank 5 epics?
tired ginkgo
with x runes maybe
little berry
I can understand her over Cain but why over Mephisto specifically? I know they’re hard to compare just curious.
As for Hydra over Hookuai I’m just not gonna comment on that one...
little berry
Neither will I.
inland trail
What exactly is impressive about hookai? Bis trait and?
little berry
That trait plays a big role in his amazingness. Yes, both can hit without stamina and with their cooldowns activated, but Hydratila will get wrecked by ETs, possession and stun.
inland trail
But at the same time hydratila is extremely versatile and has better skills
And I said what besides his trait is impressive, no answer for that it seems
little berry
He can activate cooldowns, he has better AOE potential, he has tortures, can activate CDs, and even though Hydratila's skills may arguably be better, a simple immunity to freeze makes him extremely vulnerable, and this renders their value severely reduced.
On a side note, compare their ults.
inland trail
Why would you use ults as an argument? I get that they're bugged and all ATM, but still
little berry
I didn't really use them as an argument. It's just that Hookuai's could actually save you, should it pop up. Hydratila's won't.
jagged lake
is hydratila the water vip
kind crane
Hahaha that was kinda funny
inland trail
Also, another positive part of hydratila, which no one will think about is:
He can completely replace and disable certain commonly used relics
With him oblation trap, mantis claws trap, revenge staff etc. become nearly useless while you won't need a cane or charging banner, so you can use other relics more to get more out of your team
jagged lake
yh but hydralita is real money
little berry
Well, not against all stamina relics. He won't help against the staff of despair. And I'm afraid that his ability to constantly re-apply the 30% stamina regen isn't enough to make him better than Hookuai.
inland trail
Not like it's my only argument but OK
Also no one ever uses that staff because it's too situational and bad in general
little berry
Even so, it’s neat that he can replace a lot of relics, but the same argument can be used against him of why use Hydratila for that purpose when you could use another monster and have relics fill that hole?
It's not bad, and against your Hydratila, it'll work perfectly well. You seemed to omit my other arguments, as well.
mortal bay
Choose your bans wisely
inland trail
Yes Smag, but relics have a limited use
Most of the time your cane or charging banner will run out quite fast, especially if you're facing some of those stamina removing relics
Hydratila will never run out
And Sapphire I was the first one to bring out the trait and you yourself said hydratila's skills might better as well do how did I omit your arguments?
kind crane
I don’t think it’ll matter Yami
inland trail
Well at least you'll be able to practice against players of his level in war lol
mortal bay
RV ain't on my level 😂😂
inland trail
little berry
Might be better on paper, but because of how (relatively) weak his trait is, Hookuai's are more effective in the actual action. Hydratila's arsenal is worthless if he doesn't get to use it. Traits and skills both complement eachother, you can't compare the skills of two monsters without including their traits in the conversation as well. Some monsters have weaker skills because of their very powerful traits and vice-versa.
kind crane
I’m just honest 🤣
winter river
@mortal bay since you're here wanted to ask you if a ranked sherezer really useful ? Nowadays sp is releasing a lot of dodge area and he can't do anything against them wanting to get it as my second ranked monster after thalassa but I'm afraid regretting it
inland trail
Wars moreso than pvp
mortal bay
Rejuvenation and True Vision is crushing
kind crane
Rag > Shezza
inland trail
Yes
mortal bay
Definitely dominates pvp
inland trail
I was speaking of a main denier sherry
mortal bay
Sherezar is the reason the top 30 players have only lost 5 or so attacks out of 1000
Obviously Thalassa does the work
But Sherezar allows Thalassa to do the work
inland trail
Pair with a taunter and it's close to unbeatable
winter river
In that case his rank doesn't matter
little berry
R3
mortal bay
R3 then
inland trail
Kinda, but as Yami aid rejuvenation is extremely good, and it's a 115 skill
I've used a 130 thalassa, 120 sherry/dunn in pvp a few seasons ago and was basically unbeatable on offence unless outsped so quit pvp because of boringness
kind crane
Good job you didn’t do thalassa/Ruby/Dunn
You’d of been crushed
Shezza is better than ruby tho so does make sense
dim cobalt
Wow so many insane players in one chat
kind crane
Why thank you
inland trail
I did that as well Luke, was almost as effective
But sherry >>> ruby as a ts holder
mortal bay
Begone thot
mortal bay
Only to you
kind crane
❤️
inland trail
And since it was a 6ts setup even if thalassas misses ruby will just deny them instead
By thalassa's second attack spamming all enemy's traits will be disabled so it's pretty much over
Ruby's strong aoes, single deny ability and overall better DOTs (sherry+dunn=curse and something random, ruby+dunn=curse and ignition) partially make up for the lack of true vision
Although I still had a slightly better win % with sherry, obviosuly because of true vision and CDD
hasty dock
@little berry can u explain why u'd rank Mephisto above Lucifire?
little berry
Well like I said it’s hard to compare the two, but in general Mephisto seems more impactful to a fight than Luci. Helps that there’s only two Mega Taunt SC monsters in the game whereas you could find a suitable and possibly better replacement for Luci in most situations depending the restrictions.
hasty dock
Lucifire is THE most versatile attacker in the entire Fire element, and she can deal with the likes of Mephisto by herself too
The only thing which is her slight disadvantage is vulnerability to stamina drains
mortal bay
I'd rank Meph over Luci because no one can fill Meph's role, but there are monsters that can fill Luci's roles
unkempt coral
DAD
mortal bay
Fire attacker instead of Luci ? Cain Drakor
Fire remove effects ? Ingenica
unkempt coral
I'm only going for necro to rank up my pierceid kek
little berry
Wouldn’t it be better to just grind elemental cells instead?
unkempt coral
Nop
little berry
I'd do Necro dung for pierceid
100% worth
i did necro dungeon for sammy kek
and also to name my necro "Klaus"
win win
I did Zahra dung for Charmless
unkempt coral
@mortal bay
Would you agree that there are way better fire attackers than lucifire?
little berry
i was going to do that, but then fire bepis came out and charmless became wack
little berry
so i used them on i done forgot who
mortal bay
Not always
inland trail
Well, the hopefreezer is the best fire attacker, an argument can be made for cain over helltaser
And about versatility, let's see
Luci can PER, Bling and give damage reduction in the same skill, has ignition and burn in the same skills (both of these have single and aoe versions), does massive damage, has a solid 0 CD skill, has deny moves and even has supportive skills in her unranked skill group
Can also deny with a jazzy mask if you need her to
So yeah, by far the most versitile fire monster
You can look at her as a 'multiple in one' monster, because she can do what you'd need multiple monsters for by herself
inland trail
Any good arguments? No offense, but this one is trash
Using one monster as an argument (who isn't even in the same element/books) won't get you anywhere
And yeah, doesn't have anticipation, but that's not a huge problem
hasty dock
I'll just use Faraday and Hookuai "ded"
Its true, there's no other monster like Mephisto in the fire element, but that does not warrant him a place above Luci imo
They're both situationally useful
mortal bay
I'd say it does
It boils down to Mephisto being unique and meta, and Luci having other monsters do what she can do
inland trail
And luci can do what you'd need multiple monsters for by herself
hasty dock
Luci is more than just a heavy fire attacker, u know 😉
hasty dock
As for meta... Idk about that
inland trail
Not really, many exclusives have luci's perks too
hasty dock
She can use 2 PERs after all, so Mephisto might be in a bad shape if facing Luci by himself
inland trail
Except she does more
hasty dock
Yes, but these PERs add some bonus debuffs too
inland trail
And the DOTs do matter
hasty dock
Ingenica can do nothing more than Disable traits
I'll let DoTs pass, Andrej because Mephisto has a bunch of his own
inland trail
Yeah, I was speaking in general
mortal bay
Ingenica does quite a lot
2 ways of per
2 ways of disabling trait
Removes negs
Can give damage/accuracy increase
And has amazing relic slots
winter river
Mephisto >>>>>>Lucy
The only argument I have is Lucy p2w and mephisto is f2p and even if the player is p2w why de hec would he buy Lucy chest over samael or xiron
hasty dock
Well, Yami, Luci also has nice support skills, maybe not enough to match Ingenica, but decent enough for an attacker
And I'm not even considering that she can OHK most fire monsters 😉
mortal bay
Only monster she needs to worry about fighting is Meph honestly
hasty dock
@winter river can we please leave out ftp vs p2p? Its totally besides the point
mortal bay
And with that Armor relic slot, I don't see that happening
hasty dock
@mortal bay maybe, but that'll also depend on the team-mates
mortal bay
So Luci's role will be forced into per
If the restriction is fire, as default I don't need a reason to run anyone other than Meph on defence
hasty dock
Either way, I'll personally rank them the same from my point of view
U're ofc entitled to disagree depending on ur own usage needs 😊
mortal bay
Fair enough
2 different playing fields
I can't afford a mistake, you should have more room for theory crafting
winter river
Most fire monsters are attackers so Lucy's role is not that unique while mephisto is the second monster in the game with mega taunt so he is very useful than Lucy
hasty dock
So u're saying that I can afford to make mistakes? 😉
mortal bay
More than me at least 😅
delicate reef
What is barbael’s role?
high abyss
yes
little berry
Support/Curser? I think he can be an Attacker too though if I remember right.
Speed is great but Total Blind not reliable enough for him to be a main denier.
high abyss
his role is barbael
jagged lake
lol
inland trail
Speaking of ingenica I believe she's better than both luci and mepshito
But what's the point of the 'Uniqueness' argument? How does that really matter?
Obviously mepshito is better on defense in almost every scenario, but wars are more about offense
Luci is also very unique, you don't have another fire and have very little monsters in general who can be thast versatile and do everything she can, but I guess for the vast majority she's just a fire attacker so their opinions make sence
inland trail
Well we were kinda talking about where luci ranks among fires
little berry
Can you craft a warmaster with 80 cells plus 20 elementium?
@little berry unfortunately nope
ok thanks
jagged lake
woohoo im getting remntar next month
mortal bay
It's not just Meph being unique
But the fact that he's so strong AND unique
Means he has 0 competition
little berry
Yami has a point, at higher tiers you have less room for error
Less builds are viable for defence
inland trail
Not like we're a top team too
There's very little margin for error
And I still wouldn't place him over luci, as said, she's also very unique, but most don't see that
hasty dock
One big flaw for Mephisto is his lack of damage moves and dependance on DoTs
Given the huge army of resistant monsters out there, its a tad unreliable imo
But then, I know little of the "elite" wars 😉
little berry
Hi 👋I'm new here '-'
little berry
I won this and i don't know in which level we get best attack
I ranked her 110
So ruby explosion will appear in 115 right?
ember plume
Yes
little berry
Ok thanks
Another question
Should i put the removing positives + block positives on sherezar?
little berry
Because i heard that in automatic he used it instead of stun attacks
I want to put my 130 sherezar on defense but idk if i take the attack out
ember plume
👀
hasty dock
Sherezar has no stun attacks
ember plume
I think he means random spell book
little berry
Is?
Because in pvp defense he starts with wizards negation instead of the stunner attacks
ember plume
Nah
little berry
Stun attacks,sorry, i mean the stunner attacks
hasty dock
A r4+ Sherezar, if he's equipped with the skill, ALWAYS starts with Random Spellbook
strong bison
Hello
little berry
Yes, he is 130
hasty dock
The safest skillset for a r4+ Sherezar is Random Spellbook, Wizard's Negation, Grandmaster's Scroll and Rejuvenation/ Curse of Decay
little berry
I have rejuvenation, random spellbook, grandmasters scroll and the extra turn one
little berry
That extra turn is kinda risky with anticipations round, wizards negation is useful
little berry
soon im getting my first warmaster:thalasa 😃
little berry
Yes, but i use now sherezar in attack
hasty dock
Great Dispel does have its uses....
upper yew
Will I be good to get Thalassa r2 with Gorg Hookuai and Kihaku?
Ill probably put 2 ts on Hookuai, or 3 if needed
I mean thalassa r1, sorry
jagged lake
Yh
upper yew
Sweet
What about Kihaku, Hookui and Nautalis? Incase Im not able to get the last water cells needed?
little berry
Probably
Hookuai and Kihaku will carry you, and Nautilus is good enough to pitch in a bit aside from just holding team speed
upper yew
Awesome! Heres hoping I can get the rest of the water cells needed for Gorg in time 😅
Would defo make it a whole lot easier
stuck cosmos
Im ranking up bella this is getting ridiculous
brittle hemlock
stuck cosmos
I literally dont even have 3 r1 light legendary monsters
tulip sapphire
i went so hard in the bella master of path just for that dungeon lmao only to not use her
stuck cosmos
I have a r3 arch, r1 bella and a r1 kaori
tulip sapphire
i have rank 1 taiga cloud demise r2 bella
tulip sapphire
With demise yes
or bella once the evasion if remove first
i remove evasion turn transfer to taiga 1h elvira then do ready to hunt and well i won it from there
fading shell
I used Al Canine, Rocigon and Mishka
marble jasper
Hey guys, any advice?
little berry
Bella baal
Do you have her?
She removes positives
Just make sure you put 2 individual speed on her
Then you switch
fiery skiff
Is the effect they have at the beginning of a warmaster dungeon the same throughout all dungeons? I mean the phases for example first couple nodes they're reverted to baby forms and then evasion. Is that the same as the other heroic dungeons?
little berry
Nope those only apply to the WM dungeons
fiery skiff
Yeah that's what I meant. Sorry if the question was confusing
fading shell
Which third monster should I use for Sherezar? I currently am thinking of Wasper and Dungeon Master.
I don't have many legendary magic's so my options are limited, the only others I have are Galante, Bandses, Mr. Flaky and White Pandalf
hasty dock
Use Galante/ White Pandalf
fading shell
Which runes?
hasty dock
What runes do u have on Dungeon Master?
fading shell
Full speed currently
tame whale
anyone know how many heroic orbs i need to get an unranked sherezar?
upper yew
2300
tame whale
ty
stuck cosmos
I finally got her
upper yew
Congrats! Hope u enjoy her
mint wave
can ihave wyrmlad
little berry
Nice
mint wave
plz
little berry
@stuck cosmos Grats, shes great.
flint geyser
I've got Bella R1,and kaori R2
I've also got taiga and Ingvar unranked so who should I rank for Elvira floor two?
limpid spear
You already have 2 attackers so I'll say rank ingvar if you can
flint geyser
@limpid spear Thanks
little berry
What runes should I ran on Ragnarok in this team?
tired ginkgo
full ts
hasty dock
2 ts, 1 str imo
mossy sorrel
I will say all ts bcz he doesn't have high power moves at r0 and he is better full support
mossy sorrel
Yea
little berry
I was thinking about 2 ts and 1 life just so he can take some more damage
little berry
Is best for rag upto rank 2 at least
After that you could switch depending on the skills & the battle you gonna go into
mossy sorrel
Yea
gilded coyote
Did someone say Rag full speed
marble jasper
@little berry i have bella, but only r0, they 1 hit my damage dealer .. even after i per them
fleet oriole
I ran a life Rune on taiga to beat that node
I had 3 Life Demise 2 Life 1 Speed Ingvars BG 2 Str 1 Life Taiga
Skill mirror or taiga. Extra turn from demise onto taiga. Both demise and taiga get extra turns because of Skill mirror
Demise either PERs or All allies 50% damage
Then taiga can AOE or single target Ko one of the dudes
marble jasper
Ingvars BG has skill mirror or demise?
harsh spruce
Is elvira good r1
harsh spruce
Is she good unranked
winter river
Yea useful mostly because of her trait
honest tundra
Can i get sherezar with r3 wasper r2 shademoon and r1 bandses or r1 scarr
winter river
Yea of course
tired ginkgo
yeah
harsh spruce
Is unranked Remtar good
royal sundial
Is sherezar even useful at r1
harsh spruce
Idk
royal sundial
Guys I have a question: should i go for sherezar and only get him to r1 because i don't have any higher ranked magic monsters or should i go for remntar wich i could get at r3 because i have all r4 monsters?
harsh spruce
Do u have orbs for them
little berry
@harsh spruce yes definitely run him
@royal sundial up to rank 2 I'd say he is still a support thou he gets his AOE Cda skill so
harsh spruce
What makes him good unranked @little berry
little berry
His skill mirror at the start of the battle is his key boi
royal sundial
@harsh spruce i don't but i have 2000 atm gonnabget 1.5k from lida and I'll buy from discounts
Thanks for the help
Gotta get that remntar
quiet scroll
Guys what best warmastsr in your opinion!??
My first wamrastsr is Nero I like reviving allies ablties
gilded coyote
Sad but true clear choice is Thalassa
little berry
Noice 👏
little berry
Runes for Elvira r0?
harsh spruce
little berry
you can also run, 
or even Team Strength.
She's really versatile with the rune set ups
Thank u
jagged lake
Need help which monster to kill first
Don’t have any other monsters
Just gonna ranknup some other monsters
Nvm just rank up Quixote
winter river
What are those runes on mirak ?
And you expect to win?
sand coral
feed them all to 105, put speed runes on Mirak, TS/life on Tankerion, and enough TS on Metalhead to outspeed
barren arch
General Alces is a pain as heals.
wind summit
@jagged lake Not sure if you have or not but, if you're still having problems, use Holter's bodyguard. He has reverse healing which will make easy work of that pesky Alces or any monster with healing relics too.
wind summit
And if you do takes the bodyguard, replace Tankerion with Hippierion for better synergy
autumn valve
@quiet scroll keep in mind he has his ally revival skill at 110, below that he revives enemies
quiet scroll
Birb thx yeah I know
wooden bough
Algum brasileiro
upper yew
I have just enough thunder cells to rank 1 thunder attacker for Barbaris dungeon. Its between Eeltron and Talany. I was thinking Talany because of her dragon hater move, what do u guys think?
gilded coyote
Eeltron has more lasting power just cause of his SC
upper yew
Ah yeah, I always forget he has control immunity lol
His relic slots are better for me too, considering the relics I have available. Eeltron it is, thanks! 🤝🏼
gilded coyote
little berry
how strong do your monsters need to be to beat tharlassa floor 2 (runes, rank, monster, etc)?
mint wave
pretty strong
upper yew
I did Thalassa floor 2 with Gorg, Kihaku and Nanukk
I had 2 lvl 7 speeds on kihaku and lvl 5/6s on the rest
I think Nanukk had 3 lvl 4 ts actually
They were all r1 aswell
mint wave
noice
little berry
You shouldn’t need too strong of monsters, most important thing is you have a well constructed team
mint wave
i have lvl 30's,and im lvl 25, is that normal
stray wave
Guys is anyone from the team shop good good for warmaster elvira dungeon or ok
harsh spruce
Maybe general Ingvar but that’s it
magic laurel
do heroic dungeons scale in level like normal dungeons or are they fixed?
harsh spruce
Fixed I’m pretty sure
magic laurel
ty
mint wave
lol
solemn brook
@jagged lake You have the wrong rune set up for Mirak
and that epic might not get you that far
gaunt stirrup
Skills group 4 for sherezar in order plz like 105 skill thn 110 115 120
stark linden
lol my light monsters kinda sorta suck i cant get past the last node of floor 1 in elvira dungeon
ill prob just rank up bella during the race if a node comes up, and ill rank draghar when i get him with clees from the maze and light cells from the dungeon
and ingvar ill buy cells for him later
gaunt agate
Which warmaster should I go for the next rotation in viability?
harsh spruce
same @stark linden
drowsy stream
I passed Elvira Floor 1 with R1 Al Canine (Speed Speed Life) R1 Wolftanagan (Team Life, Team Speed, Life) R2 Kaori( Life Strength Strength)
serene meteor
fleet oriole
@spring imp who do u already have
mint wave
should i get thalassa
drowsy stream
Yea
mint wave
is she goot
do u think i should try to get her with lord of atlantis, thetys bodygaurd and blob?
or should i get barbael
fleet oriole
Definetly thalassa
hidden jetty
working on elvira, who should i start next? thalassa or ragnarok
tired ginkgo
rag
mint wave
rags gonna take a bit
tired ginkgo
but hes worth the effort
cobalt pumice
Go for remtar
sand coral
Yes, all WMs do
mint wave
the wiki doesn't think he does
sand coral
It isn’t up to date. Look here https://monsterlegends.fandom.com/wiki/Warmaster_Remntar
mint wave
hi
little berry
Next rotation
gaunt agate
Should I go for Sherezar or Thalassa?
little berry
Can you get either of them ranked?
gaunt agate
Nope
inland trail
Thalassa either way
little berry
Why Thalassa over Sherry unranked?
On paper I could see it, but Water has so many good deniers that her AOE Freeze isn’t very impressive unranked, and you have to factor in that you’ll probably be facing ranked Kihaku’s, Thetys, etc in Water which I’d debate are better deniers depending on how big the rank difference is.
With Sherry, there’s nobody in Magic that can do what he can. Team True Vision is insane for offense, and CDA protection is nice too. AOE PER + Block Positive effects, AOE Curse, can pitch in denying a single enemy and Great Dispel has its uses even as a team speed holder on offense.
stark linden
I cant @ u for some reason but i completed 1st floor with ingvar r0, bella baal r0, and w'olftagnan r1 level 95
inland trail
Well, true vision is nice but not as good as it's made out to be
His skills at 100 are pretty bad, while thalassa can still chain deny even at R0
little berry
What do you mean not as good as it’s made out to be though? It’s taken at face value from what I see, not having to worry about missing and having that assurance against Hardened, Tough, etc eliminates so much that can go wrong.
And chain denial while great again I’d have to say for the most part I’d prefer a Kihaku that while he can’t chain deny without added help is more likely to land his first turn deny and would have a huge advantage with rank. Plus unranked if Thalassa wants to chain deny she’s going to get hard countered by Anticipation.
fickle acorn
If it was a choice between getting r0 Sherezar and r0 Thalassa, definitely go for the Sherezar.
fleet oriole
^
gaunt agate
Thanks. I'll actual go for Sherezar and part of Thalassa in progress
honest nova
Which wm should i go for after sher?
mossy sorrel
Rem, ragg or elvira
honest nova
K
mossy sorrel
gilded ether
What runes should I put to zeighar? Gonna use him for upcoming sherezar dungeon. Thanks!
honest nova
hasty dock
If u have a better magic denier, then
gilded ether
Thanks a lot 😊
inland trail
Well of course water has better deniers than a 100 thalassa, kihaku being the best one
And what I mean is that people sometimes like saying certain monsters always miss when they don't (I never had many missing issues at least)
Of course she'll get stopped by anticipation, there are ways to deal with everyone
I just think thalassa's skills are way better at 100, to the point where true vision doesn't make up for it
atomic elm
Who should i go for after i get rag ? Sherezar, thalassa or rem?
little berry
Remntar unless you plannin to rank up Sherezar / thalassa in the near future
Also Elvira is a good one to go at rank 0
@atomic elm
atomic elm
I already have elvira
little berry
Then go for the above I mentioned
atomic elm
Then i’ll go for remntar
little berry
mint wave
use 
jade fiber
Ok so I need some advice, I got 2200 orbs and currently have Elvira and barbael at rank O
So should I rank one of them up or go for a different warmaster and if so which one?
hasty dock
Get Ragnarok first, then if u still want to collect more WMs, get Sherezar, Remntar and Babari/Thalassa in that order, for lvl 100s
Also, Andrej, True Vision + secondary deny more than warrants getting Sherezar at lvl 100 over a lvl 100 Thalassa
inland trail
Don't know about that, I guess I never got effects by those misses much which is one of the reasons I don't value true vision as much as others
honest nova
Should i go for rem or rank up sher?
little berry
If you can get your Sherry to 110+ I’d start ranking him. If not Rem wouldn’t be a bad investment right now.
kind crane
Kihaku trash
little berry
Lol
inland trail
No
stoic path
Who is better for rank 5 magic for last ragnarok floor? Dungeon master, zeighar or wasper? Currently have postiguraf, fenix , nereida. Shannara bg is ongoing...
river laurel
Should I go for r1 remntar or r0 Ragnarok?
fleet oriole
Rag
river laurel
Aight thanks
mint wave
do you think i could get barbael with ingenica,vadamagma and igusus
jovial ridge
Barbael was a pain to get tbh the last one to get him was annoying
Now that I got it I never use it
mint wave
do u think i should get thalassa
jovial ridge
I used 
darmith and igneus
mint wave
noice
jovial ridge
Thalassa is good yeah
mint wave
what do u think is a good bio for a monster called Mr. farmingsworth
jovial ridge
I am getting the ones I have good monsters to get the wm for
I am close to getting zahra
mint wave
he's a fire/dark
jovial ridge
So an epic or a rare?
jovial ridge
Monsters can only have 2 typings
mint wave
some are special
jovial ridge
No monster in ml have 3 types
mint wave
nemesis
jovial ridge
Same with the nemesis they only have 2
mint wave
Light Divine Mission Legend Real Rumors Magic Opinion Rejected
thats from Llum the magic matriarch
jovial ridge
Some legends can have more than 1 type move but they only have 2 types
Like jakugan who is metal and legend can learn a dark type move
mint wave
S/He has light,magic and legendary
the monster im trying to create has same amount of different skills as jakugan: 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rustic grotto
How do i Beat this Can some one help me everyone on the battle gets tarit dis i really close to get that warmaster anyone?
crystal vigil
umm that node should be really easy for you
unless lord mindson does single possession
Hope to get r4 eventually, a lot of orbs required though
humble knot
R2 Thalassa done. ☺
upper yew
😍
hushed sage
Made it all the way on last bofe of Thalassa second floor with r1 gorg and r1 vodyanoy 😂😂 can’t wait for my kiahku to finish so I can rank him up and finish it
fleet oriole
Gorg R2 rankup and thalassa crafting feelsgoodman
little berry
Very noice everyone
gaunt agate
I got Sherezar after 30 minutes of the dungeon being live. Going to try to rank up my 110 Magic team for now
astral vector
LF some advice. I unfortunately jumped the gun on Gortak when he was first released (oops) but now since I have him I am wondering if it would be more useful to try ranking him to r1 since I've already gotten this far or would I be better off getting Thalassa or Sherry (who I don't have yet)? They'd probably be r0 til the next rotation or two. If it helps, I also already have Elvira r0 and Rag r1
gilded coyote
Currently going for Gortak and R1'ing him this week, he's a great choice, getting Thalassa or Sherezar would probably be general consensus though
him to R3 I'd say is an eventual solid goal though
weak moon
Question
Does Sherezar get any new moves at level 105? And if not should I go for unranked Thalassa?
inland trail
He gets the random positive effect to a single ally skill (protective spell), which isn't so useful
weak moon
At what level does he get a useful skill?
inland trail
110, aoe CDA
weak moon
Really wish they allowed you to use elemental cells on wms now
But anyway in your opinion which is the better idea? Start working on ranking up Sherezar or go for unranked Thalassa?
inland trail
Depends on how fast you'll be able to rank him
weak moon
Rn I only have enough orbs to get him to rank 105
I'll have to wait until next month to get him to 110
inland trail
Well if you have a ranked up kihaku, thetys or frosilika you don't really need an unranked thalassa
But at the same time if you have other ranked up magic deniers you don't really need sherezar
weak moon
The only magic deniers I have are Shademoon + Sbg
I also really don't have any good water monsters besides Cryotan and Mystery
So going for Thalassa might not be a bad idea
inland trail
Yeah, get her
small stag
But, if you don't have any good water monsters, will you be able to get past Floor 2 to get her?
coral flint
fickle acorn
Lol nice again.
mint wave
is she good
inland trail
Top 3 in the game at R4+ lol
winter river
Top 1
inland trail
Sammy better 
little berry
Sammy still MVP to date
inland trail
He's the reason I 15 coined RV with a 105 rag 
strong bison
👀
little berry
inland trail
Nop
strong bison
Yop
little berry
Death moratorium + pain scourge + pest still good till date
winter river
Thalassa top 1
winter river
Sammy maybe top 2 or 3
little berry
That dude is still worth it !
inland trail
little berry
😂
winter river
little berry
honest nova
Which relics should i give sherry?
little berry
What Trap/Essence’s do you have?
honest nova
Dunno but relics crafting is out yet
Or i can use similar ones
I only have silver and bronce also a few gold and 1 dia but they are
Wack
I cam finally craft him in 15min
little berry
Team heal / single healing essence and a oblation trap at least to make him survive longer
honest nova
Mmm
little berry
in myself
Why do I feel like getting the ranked up monsters got warmasters is harder than the orbs?
Literally took me months go get 3 ranked up fire types for barbael
crystal vigil
as someone with 53 orbs i can tell you that getting the orbs is definitely harder for me
honest nova
If u have luck with the race than the orbs will be probably harder
dim cobalt
👀 is that thanos
hasty dock
Thalassa is the reason I stayed up in L2 for 2 whole days before I became busier, alongside a lvl 100 Rag and a 110 Dunn Ra, so she's #1 imo 😊
delicate jasper
Top 1 Thalassa
delicate jasper
A octo pet
little berry
If we ever see pets
I’d imagine Thalassa’s would be something pretty insignificant like a damage buff though to not further put her on top
honest nova
Thetys pet could be also her pet
hallow crane
What ruins should be out on Elvira
elfin magnet
slow imp
Thalassa become more powerful with the introduction of dodge area
little berry
Ironic when Frosilka who introduced Dodge Area was supposed to be a Thalassa counter
slow imp
Lol
high abyss
pretty funny that dr marihelson is a counter to her now
since its a status caster
even though she has per, one monster on your team is guaranteed to not be denied
little berry
Thalassa can cycle her PER + extra turn though no? I think it’s only a two turn CD if I remember right. And at 115+ she can use 3 extra turn skills.
Though even if she couldn’t cycle you could probably just let Marihelson hit you and be just fine tbh
broken galleon
Should I go for gortak or save for thalassa? (I already completed gortak's first floor)
honest nova
Thal
honest nova
Prob r0
dim cobalt
What’s the best Warmaster to get as ur first
barren arch
Ragnarok, Thalassa or Elvira.
limpid spear
Didn't think I would get this far
serene storm
@dim cobalt It is ragnarok, definetly. Imo at least.
@limpid spear Where did you get the xiron cells btw? Also good job going on with li'l monsters xD
serene storm
XD
limpid spear
Yep, the dungeons, if only I would've taken xiron one seriously then I could get the final ruby cells from the exclusive book
errant fable
Im 76% on floor 2 on thalassa(gorg soloed the hole thing so far). Should i
A) rank up gorg to r2
B) rank hookaui to r1
I havent been lucky with the breedables and used my war coins on runes
limpid spear
Both are good but I'll say get r2 gorg
azure bobcat
@errant fable @limpid spear I would say Rank 1 Hookuai.. You know why?
Because Hookuai has Anticipation
As soon as Thalassa will perform an extra turn, Hookuai will get a Turn and due to the shock Thalassa won't receive extra turns
And in case thalassa uses Thalassa's Chosen (Ally NER + Self ET), Anticipation will kick in. So Hookuai is definitely worth ranking up ;)
limpid spear
@azure bobcat gorg is a counter to thalassa, shock and sea hater
azure bobcat
I know but Gorg will not be getting a turn anytime soon
But due to Anticipation, Hookuai will get an immediate turn.
limpid spear
Thalassa can't do extra turn with gorg
azure bobcat
She can ..
You know how?
Thalassa's Chosen
"Removes all Negative Effects from one ally. Applies Sea Hater to one ally. Gives 1 ET to itself"
azure bobcat
If thalassa chooses to deny Gorg, she will miss Hookuai
And Vice Versa
And yeah @limpid spear
Warmasters run all the skills even when they are level 100 (In their own Dungeons)
I mean
All the rank 4 skills
limpid spear
Additionally it's a rank 2 gorg, he can use all speed
Hookuai will be weak against thalassa
azure bobcat
...
Hook has CDA
AoE Sunburn
AoE Bleed
I know Gorg has Sea Hater but ..
If he gets denied then Rip i guess
limpid spear
Also you think hookuai will not get trait dissabled
azure bobcat
Yes i do :)
limpid spear
Gorg won't be denied without trait dissable
ember plume
not you.
azure bobcat
But i have neither Gorg nor Hookuai
I also want to get Thalassa though
Will Frosilka + Thety's Pet (Or Chill Bill) + Thety's Work? :) @ember plume
azure bobcat
Ok
So the runes for Thetys are obviously Speed
And for Thety's Pet 2 Strength + 1 Team Speed..
Right? @ember plume
But what runes should i put on Frosilka (Rank 1)
errant fable
Hi, just read what you guys said and unsure what the conclusion is
azure bobcat
Probably, Ram will help you :)
kind crane
Triple ts
limpid spear
@errant fable get gorg to r 2, he is thalassa counter and will help you complete the dungeon, hookuai is good but not as good against thalassa
azure bobcat
Thanks @kind crane :)
winter river
Yea
azure bobcat
Sure @little berry That was my plan but i was just asking the Community :)
fleet oriole
Do you think I can clear thalassa floor 3 with just Gorg R2 lol
tired ginkgo
nah lol
tired ginkgo
good luck at the last node 🤣
fleet oriole
😂😂
Praying for a water team race monster or else I need to get my kihaku up a tank
Rank
winter river
And I wish for an elite magic or a strong quest one
lean latch
who is Best attacker warmaster..?
little berry
Gortak
He shines when ranked up too
If you specifically need a attacker and a WM then he's your dude
winter river
Barbael/babari are also attackers
But i'd suggest getting control WM is a better choice(thalassa/sherezar)and just get a non exclusive attacker there are a lot of good ones
little berry
Yop that sounds like a good plan 👍
tropic inlet
I completed thalassa floor 3 with mudflow r3 and gorg r2 @fleet oriole
hasty dock
Remntar is a pretty solid attacker too, and versatile as well- a much better choice than Barbael
fleet oriole
@tropic inlet Damn what runes
little berry
Elvira works as an attacker too no?
fleet oriole
yeah but ranked up
tropic inlet
Gorg had strength 7 and 8 and speed 8(when it was skill mirror I used life 8)
Mudflow had all ts lvl 5(life when it was skill mirror)
fleet oriole
ah
2 speed 1 str?
i was gonna run 2 str 1 speed but that actually sounds smart
because then i can run 2 ts holders so thalassa gets ez pz'ed
tbh
should i run 3 speed gorg vs thal
tropic inlet
I was running 2 str and 1 speed on gorg
All speed doesnt work because there is skill mirror on the last battles
obtuse monolith
guys
tired ginkgo
🤔
obtuse monolith
best skill for thalassa at rank 0 is?
tired ginkgo
🤷
obtuse monolith
the 2 extra turns, the aoe freeze drowned and the single mega freeze right?
high abyss
yis
cinder anchor
Orbs for floor 4?
obtuse monolith
yes
cinder anchor
ItsMeMoosh I want my Necro to have ressurection skill. That's why R2.
For Thalassa, firstly I'll go R1
winter river
Go vote for llum guys she is the best one!
little berry
Case could be made for Llum, Luci, or Hydra imo
We weren’t really presented with any obvious choice
fleet oriole
wdym vote for
little berry
winter river
@fleet oriole choose llum
winter river
gilded coyote
Indeed, at least, if you really want, you can spend on a single chest and hope for the best
fleet oriole
Agreed
I’d be happy to buy maze coins if I’m close
Anything lower than 50$ is a bargain lol
gilded coyote
Lol, I think you needed 13 bucks for Cain with perfect collections? Can't quite remember
Especially if you get cells after that's nice
little berry
Perfectly balanced
little berry
Need Llum to pull this thru !!
winter river
Vote for llum !
high abyss
llumcifire it is
kind crane
Vote for Nadiel
gaunt stirrup
Vote for lucy she d be dreat in fire restriction wars like cmon water skills against fire plus freaze damn
lusty shell
candid oasis
if there was llum the magical matriarch then i choose her but we have her basic version that not so good but on other hands we have nedial hopefeezer thats last version of nedial thats good
in my view
polar valve
doesnt matter who you vote for, the last monster is not gonna be available for free players
crystal vigil
How exactly is nadiel good but basic llum bad? Let's compare their best skills:
Nadiel: AoE freeze, AoE 30% heal+remove negative
Llum: AoE 30% heal+remove negative+damage boost, AoE remove negative+precision+double damage, AoE sunburn, 2 AoE PERs(one of which blinds and gives damage reduction)
A case could probably be made for both but I think PER is more useful in this meta than secondary denial
But the fact that it's a basic version of llum definitely doesn't automatically make her bad
Also ArC a lot of people already have some cells and they will probably pull a cain
strong bison
I agree with Dori, Riftmaker is also considered bad even tho he got some great skill and his stats are pretty high, and i think that hopefreezer is out classed in her element and books by monsters like cain and mephisto
So Llum is really the best option
barren arch
🤔
limpid spear
Nadiel is better than lumm because of lack of good deny in nature category while light category has a lot of good support, if it was magic lumm then I would agree that she is better but not the basic version
strong bison
@limpid spear his ONLY real deny is a single skill that can freeze all enemies
And maybe also single target
I'll recheck
limpid spear
@strong bison that's still pretty good in nature category, he also have guard down and total damage reduction
Lumm on the other hand is easily outclassed by Elvira
strong bison
How so?
spark crow
What are the nemisis that we can vote for again?
strong bison
Rift maker Hopefreezer Llum (basic) flooder
Llum is the way to go if you ask me
One second
limpid spear
Lumm is being overrated
strong bison
Hey guys
As we saw.. MOP is coming next week, with a nemesis in the final path, They are
Lucifire the hopefreezer
Nadiel the flooder
Hydratlia the riftmaker
Lastly Llum the light of freedom
Everyone hates llum
It is the basic Versionnn!!
Well. Lets correct something
Doesn't mean its basic its bad
Sammy's basic can be considered top 3 exclusive with money
Llum basic
Compared to her other versions
She has all their best skills
Except the metal version is an attacker version with bleed as an aoe. But llum basic has sunburn which decreses accuracy which is much better!
But we don't really care about the Attavker version
The most great version MM.. her aoe stun is what cares lately, but stun isn't a great form of denial lately Espicially with Clipeum in Most light wars (Elites know it)
Light of freedom can simply
PER, Blind,damage reducion and deal hevay damage to all enemies in one move. You know how great is thar skill!!
Special attacks weakness,staminaleak, damage and PER!! In one move
And really supportive skills
100% damage and precision and NER to all allies !
Another skill that heals by 30%. NER and damage boost to all allies
In addition of her great stats, Great relic slots..
And the really great trait. Which only 15 monsters Own, Bulwark!!
Only VIPs, Sammy and her own it
In light wars. Every base has Elvira/ clipeum Espicially in high levels, llum even basic reallt helps. So llum is basically the best choice
For guys who voted luci the hopefreezer. Won't complain, luci the hopefreezer is a very vertilase attacker with an elemental advantage. One of the best fire attackers. So would say her, but llum is alot better tbh Espicially in her element in wars
Nadiel the flooder ain't great! Pyro is! Not worth
Riftmaker
Not impressive, many better choices in earth.
So vote llum/luci
Llum is more worthy and this is your chance so don't let it gowink
Credit zizoo
limpid spear
I've read it and highly disagree with this statement, the base version and other version had different cost when they were released for a reason, because they are worse than other version, also stun isn't irrelevant, O'Reilly have stun which makes him one f the best monsters
spark crow
Luci gud and let's get Luci 👌
limpid spear
Yep she's pretty good but I already have helltaser and lifemelter
atomic elm
Is balor + burotgor + brutalis a good combo for ragnarok’s second floor ?
limpid spear
Anything can be used as long as you have good runes
atomic elm
balor 
burotgor and 
brutalis
limpid spear
That should work
atomic elm
And i’m not worried on the last node cuz i have brutalis and ragnarok’s attacks are all single targets
honest nova
there are other monsters too
fading shell
@atomic elm I used the same team for Gortak and it works wonders, but you might have to try it a couple of times.. Blind..
unkempt holly
I am leaning towards nadiel, this might really be an individual decision based on their profile and what can be easily ranked and needed for the person.
little berry
for a r0 Thalassa would this be good?
Skill set: Thalassa's Chosen, High Pressure Fluid, Artic Waves & Ocean Rain
Runes:
tulip sapphire
@little berry looks solid
But do u rele need ocean rain i would have gone for abysal pressure
little berry
Ocean Rain has the AoA NER which can come in handy, and while the single Megafreeze is nice, i probably wont be using it much.
and Ocean Rain has 0CD which can come in handy, if my team has negative effects and CDAed.
neon umbra
kramp run mega freeze single for dodge area @little berry
dim cobalt
Hey would r1 mudflow + r1 gorg work for thalassas dungeon floor 2
limpid spear
If you have 7 or higher runes on gorg then it should work
broken galleon
What runes should I run with r0 rag?
broken galleon
Thanks and should I use team speed stamina mutate with him because death door?
broken galleon
Thanks
little berry
Could someone please show me a ss of the last node of Thalassa's dungeon? Or tell me what monsters they have?
kind crane
Of what floor?
fleet oriole
R3 Mudflow and R2 Gorg vs Thalassa floor 3
Doable?
X str 8 str 7 ts on Gorg
I can tune swap tho
Rune*
Mudflow idk about
fading shell
Get a third one with team runes
zinc locust
silent egret
is there a warmaster that counts as a nemesis?
misty elm
No
gilded narwhal
could gorg zimnyaya mudflow all r1 do thalassa floor 2 with 6 runes?
harsh spruce
prob
ember plume
Yes
little berry
I'm so dumb how could I forget to tell the floor but I was in a hurry.
@kind crane On floor 4.
atomic elm
Is it worth getting thalassa r1 ?
little berry
Great Dispell (only use this if he's going on your attack team), Curse Of Decay, Wizard's Negation, Master's Scroll. is what i use.
I managed to get to the last node, once the orbs go on sale I'll buy the orbs I need and try till I get a special or till Thalassa misses her deny move.
This team sweeps Thalassa's floor 4 easily, the last node will need many retries but it's definitely possible.
upper yew
Awesome, thanks @Krampus
lean latch
@little berry your nanuk bring diamond staff.. cool
little berry
CoA is great tho
rich matrix
Who voted llum
little berry
It activates when Nannuk gets his turn but despite his looks the fat blob dies super fast
rancid salmon
wispy granite
Nice @rancid salmon I’m trying to get the cells to get mine to rank 3 so I can get explosion
dreamy wagon
severe junco
congrats
little berry
Gratzz
winter river
Nice
tame whale
i’m thinking about getting gortak or necromancer, should i just get a full team wars setup ranked up(general, bodyguard, and pet)?
like for necromancer i just get a ranked up nishant, nishants pet, and nishants bodyguard?
i already have nishants bg btw
ping me for answer
also how many orbs to finish the 1st and 2nd floors?
ping me
surreal galleon
800 for floor 1
1500 for floor 2
2300 total @tame whale
and I don't recommend either gortak or necromancer, I have both at r0 and only use gortak sometimes. At r0, I believe remntar sherezar and ragnarok do the best.
atomic elm
R0 remntar elvira and ragnarok
If you can get a thalassa r1 i recommend you that as well
tame whale
@surreal galleon i can get necromancer ranked up though so he's not gonna stay r0
winter river
Still not best choice
tame whale
not best but @winter river this idea works for every wm, i can get the entire holter set and get remntar, the entire ingvar set and get elvira, it's a solid plan for every wm
and necromancer is not a bad wm by any means, sherry, elvira, rag, and remntar are the only ones who top him
and even then elvira is easy to counter so she's slowing dropping, remntar's only useful ranked, and that leaves sherry and rag
an anticipation monster with revival and turn transfer is worth it in my eyes