#monster-discussion

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little berry
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If we’re talking ranked Sherry for sure

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Unranked they’re both useful. Elvira’s more likely to carry you in easier wars/to L4 but after around that threshold I’d prefer Sherry.

fleet oriole
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110+ Sherezar is better

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but then it also depends what other monsters you have.

strange dagger
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Anyone did complete the thunder floor for ragnarok? (floor3)

fiery skiff
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Yep

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Just recently too

strange dagger
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Doable with Faraday, Neobuki and Kaori? im lacking a thunder denier

fiery skiff
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Basically what I did except Francine over kaori

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But im sure u can

strange dagger
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mhhh, because i thought of getting volthar in the maze, then its like super easy

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but i'd have to skip the kaiju 😄

fiery skiff
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Hmmmm

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Decisions decisions

strange dagger
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yea 😄

fiery skiff
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What's your rune set

strange dagger
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ive trippe X on faraday and trippe 7 on the other two

fiery skiff
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Speed? And ts im assuming or all strength

strange dagger
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2str 1ts fara 3speed neo 2ts 1str kaori

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didnt start the floort yet, just planing on next rota

fiery skiff
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Seems good to me

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Floor 3 much easier than floor 2 so don't worry about

strange dagger
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mhhh sounds awesome, so ill guess i just try it, if it doesnt work next month 😉

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thx for your help

fiery skiff
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Np good luck

strange dagger
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floor 2 btw i didnt found that hard... brutalis/burotgor/baba yaga

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only last battle took quite a few tries

fiery skiff
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Yeah same here. Earth tough element. But thunder better

strange dagger
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😄

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Tried the fire floor aswell?

fiery skiff
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Nahh have to wait a bit for that

strange dagger
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im missing a good 3rd monsters there too.. might try bonnie bark :p

fiery skiff
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I'm heading for r2 Sherry. I got r3 wasper and shade moon and then I'mma try and get r2 xiron to r3

strange dagger
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i really should get sherezar once in the future too, but thats way too much orbs for ranking three warmasters the same time

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currently busy with rag and thalassa

fiery skiff
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This should help u out

strange dagger
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whats the status caster, do you remember ?

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or rng?

fiery skiff
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Idk he really wasn't that hard. Maybe with kaori

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I wanna say evasion but I'm not sure

strange dagger
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Well faraday hits like a truck with close to 13k strengh , should be okay

fiery skiff
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Yeah exactly

little berry
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ragnaroks SC is any other wms sc and babaris sc is damage mirror

strange dagger
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uhhh damage mirror, there was something 😄

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thanks for all the help guys 👍

ember plume
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Just murder rag as soon as possible

hasty jackal
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There are no news about possible discoumt?

tired ginkgo
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nope

fleet oriole
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What would be better

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Buying Sammy or orbs for Thalassa 105 / Rag

fiery skiff
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Warmaster

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Nemesis is a 50%

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Unfair

fleet oriole
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Don’t care about the 50%

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I got sooooo many iTunes Giftcards for my birthday

fiery skiff
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Oh then go for Sammy

little berry
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Yeah Sammy. He’s a better investment than just a 105 Thalassa/Rag imo.

high abyss
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if u get him to 115 yea

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if u get him r1 the. no

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then no

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unless u got enough elementium and dark cells to rank him

errant parcel
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My sammys light is at 110. What skill does he get at 115

high abyss
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his turn transfer

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double damage + 50% stamina i brlieve

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to an allu

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ally

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its why sammy is so good

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@errant parcel

errant parcel
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Thanks im ranking him up now

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Ive only been playing this game for 12 months and only at lv 76. But i have like 80 ledgens. Still i have a long way to go.

autumn valve
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Im 83 i have half the amount you gkt

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Got*

little berry
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I've been playing this game for 8 months and i'm lvl 98

haughty lance
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I’m 69 with 100 legendaries

autumn valve
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Now i jealous

mossy sorrel
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Lvl doesn't matter too much btw

magic thicket
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Lvl 69...hmmm

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Great

fleet oriole
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Level is useless guys lol

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I’ve seen level 100s with just ranked up epics and bad legendaries 😂

fiery skiff
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Yeah

upper yew
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Do u think I can beat Ragnarok floor 2 with The Warrior, Burotgor and Zamelion? All R1

fiery skiff
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No

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Sorry

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But maybe. Idk u never know may get lucky

serene meteor
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that lap fits nice

upper yew
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What do people normally use to beat it?

tired ginkgo
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monsters

upper yew
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Where do I acquire these... "monster" 🤔

fiery skiff
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I used buro baba and Balor I think

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But koralle is a good bet

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But that last node is crazy good.

upper yew
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I wish I had Koralle :/

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Id have to get him and rank him up by the time Ragnaroks available tho

fiery skiff
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Yeah

upper yew
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Might just finish Thallassa instead then

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Ive already done her first floor

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And having Gorg makes it a whole lot easier kind of

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How is Thallassa unranked?

fiery skiff
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She seems alright I think. Has aoe freeze or mega freeze but not 100% sure. I've yet to go for her

neon umbra
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im getting her unranked

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i wanna try her out

little berry
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@fiery skiff what team u using

fleet oriole
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hmm

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Koralle + Baba yaga + an epic any good?

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probably avaast for the double essence

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so i can run yamada's and uriels

fiery skiff
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@little berry for what? Thalassa?

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Id use gorg frost wrath and kihaku

little berry
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Omg

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U send a pic of rags floor 2

fiery skiff
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Yeah that was for Donte

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He was asking if he could beat them with r1 monsters

little berry
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K

upper yew
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Im just gonna go for Thallassa and then work on getting her to R1 after

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And work on getting better Earth monsters on the side

tall topaz
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cool

lofty fox
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Shoul i use Ragnarok as a support?

little berry
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What do you mean?

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Support as in team runes or support as in skills?

mossy sorrel
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Maybe both

little berry
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It's probably both.

Well then if it is both then. Sure, slap some teamspeedlevel10 on him as I don't think he fairs well with the other team runes, maybe he does i dunno. As for skills, it's really just what you need in that situation, I've seen a lot of Ragnarok's run the nature skill which is pretty solid, and the light skill which is also pretty solid. A must have skill (in my opinion) is Death Door. @lofty fox

misty elm
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I run the rank 1 skill, the nature, the metal and the light skill

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No room for Death Door 😢

little berry
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No more failures already heals so why thr nature skill? Not to mention you already have the light skill which also heals.

ember plume
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Nature skill grants damage mirror

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Ton of heals makes a team impossible to kill

misty elm
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Also it gives Life Regeneration

fiery skiff
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Someone said breeding event:
War master + war master = nemesis

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Lmao

tall topaz
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warmasters shouldnt ever be parents for a breeding

polar valve
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what is Sherezar's status caster?

tame beacon
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Cooldown Protection 😃

polar valve
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area or single?

tame beacon
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Area

polar valve
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well

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doesnt seem to be working for me then...

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will see what happens in 8.1.5

tame beacon
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Hmm why?

polar valve
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he applies it to himself only...

tame beacon
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Who were the other monsters? Happened in multiple battles?

polar valve
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happened in 2 or 3 battles

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both were against cyber

tame beacon
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Who were the allies?

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It won’t land on artifacts

polar valve
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could be that they were both artifacts

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not sure

tame beacon
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It’s possible. I suspect you’re in the same war restrictions as me, so a team of Timerion/Flamerion/Sherezar will only give Sherezar Cooldown Protection

polar valve
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most likely

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thanks

tame beacon
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No problem

lusty ruin
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Anyone knows how many orbs needed for the last floor wm dungeon, to get from lvl 115 to lvl 120?

jagged lake
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What metal monster should I use to beat the first floor on remntar

tall topaz
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which ones do u have?

tulip sapphire
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I use Timmy holter bodyguard and general holter

inland trail
lusty ruin
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Thank you!

jade fiber
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Best skills and runes for r0 Elvira?

tranquil hamlet
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I must download that chart

severe junco
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i have a question

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can taiga , al canine and cloud beat elvira dungeon and get rank 0 ?

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ping me

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plz

little berry
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@severe junco yeah I dont see why not

severe junco
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actually?

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because i dont want to spend for nothing

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shall i try to get elvira or thalassa?

little berry
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Thalassa gets good at r1

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I personally got Elvira as my first Warmaster

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But she isn't as good as she once was

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If you have 3 r2 water monsters and got that 4700 orbs go for Thalassa

severe junco
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i have gorg

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the thing is getting the 4700 orbs take alot of time

little berry
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Yea it does

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Better save up now hehe

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But elvira is still great

severe junco
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is gorg vodanoy capable of beating thalassa to rank 1?

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and genral theyts

little berry
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You might have to change vodanoy

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But with enough tries I'm sure its possible

severe junco
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i will be spending some moneys to get al canine , taiga and cloud

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ill just get elvira for now

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she will e my first warmaster

little berry
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👌

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Great artwork too

severe junco
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mm?

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btw who is better al canine or saika?

fleet oriole
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Al canine

little berry
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When do the next heroic dungeons start?

tame beacon
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1st June 😃

little berry
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Thanks

ember plume
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Does anyone have a picture of warmaster rotation?

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Current one

polar valve
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is there a chance to do ragnaroks third floor with voltaik, frankenlady( cant remember the name rn) and any other thunder monster like neobuki*( my best one )

misty elm
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Hikari?

polar valve
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neobuki 😂

tame beacon
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I did it with Neobuki, Francine and Exo Skeel. Ran Neobuki with 2 speed, and then Francine stall killed them slowly

polar valve
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francine strength?

tame beacon
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Nope lol, life and 2 team speed. But put destructive monstrosity on her and hoped for the best

polar valve
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okay

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is voltaik useless?

misty elm
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No

polar valve
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are there many faradays?

misty elm
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VoltaiK is (mostly) useless against Anticipation monsters, but against other monster he's still devastating

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Especially with Mutant Runes

ember plume
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jazzy mask wants to know your location

polar valve
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well that last node has ragnarok in it so volt needs no extra turn moves

ember plume
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Arc I used volt in rag dungeon

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Jazzy mask really helps

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He acts as a meat shield

misty elm
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he could be useful

polar valve
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I dont have jazzy mask

misty elm
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Apply some torture effects on raggy and just spam extra-turns

polar valve
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I shall try it as soon as the dungeon is here

misty elm
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I should get a rank 3 Ragnarok

tame beacon
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The last nodes can get a bit painful, sometimes the random deny works well, and sometimes it hinders you massively

misty elm
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6k orbs right now

polar valve
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well

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good thing it takes adventure points to retry

honest nova
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Does anyone know when the next rotation is?

tired ginkgo
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in a few days

fleet oriole
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I’m a bit upset

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For some reason I thought the next rotation started when this one ended

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So I was sat waiting 😂

sand coral
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it starts on the 1st of the month, just like all the months since the rotations started

honest nova
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Anyway i have only around 700 orbs for floor 2

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So rip

stray wave
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How much is for a floor 2?

little berry
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floor 2 is 1500 orbs.

misty elm
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2300 orbs for a rank 0 Warmaster

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800+1500

severe junco
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i have 800

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880

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😭

misty elm
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Then get more

strong bison
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@stray wave floor 2 is 2400 orb's @little berry

jagged lake
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What monster to use to beat the 1 floor for remtar

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How to get Ragnarok

little berry
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@strong bison That's floor 3 you're talking about.

strong bison
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I thought R2

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🤦

loud sigil
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when is the next warmaster rotation coming round?

neat badger
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Check the Update section in the game.

tired ginkgo
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pinned

loud sigil
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the updates just tell me who's who in what week

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the updates just tell me who's who in what week

astral vector
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From what I can tell they operate on weekly cycles. 4 cycles per month. Months that have more than 28 days have dead periods on day 29-31 (or whatever applies). Then rotation starts back up on the 1st of the month. Someone please correct me if I've made a mistake, this is just personal observation but may be inaccurate if I've missed something

jagged lake
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how to get ragnorok

gilded coyote
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That's a heavy question

little berry
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You wait. And then do a dungeon. GGP

barren arch
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Leave a question if you don’t want to spend the time helping.

ember plume
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My advice is in plant use talika/orielly as a denier and just target rag then zahra and finsih osur of

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In earth use koralle as koralle is the best way to deal against rag

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Target rag,then kill gortak then hiroim

little berry
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Unless he does Demon's Flames.

ember plume
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He doesn't have that skill

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In wm dungeon

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He has all the ranked up skills

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I learnt that the hardway

little berry
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Ah.

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I didn't let him move. lol

ember plume
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I was a wimp back then

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Was getting wooped since I didn't have kb

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Eventually ik what the monsters would do

crystal vigil
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I beat last node of floor 3 first try but I lost against some of the earlier ones

ember plume
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Floor 3 first try

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Since I got better monsters

crystal vigil
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I had Francine, volray and neo

ember plume
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Floor 2 was difficult because I didn't have good earth monsters back then

crystal vigil
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That was before rune swap so no denier

ember plume
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I had neo, hydratilla the bolt caster and voltaik

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Voltaik was the jazzy mask meat shield

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Neobuki and hydra were very important

dreamy canopy
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What rank does necro become good??

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I got him as my first WM and haven't really used him

main current
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110

dreamy canopy
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Ty

main current
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👍

dreamy canopy
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Is sherezar any good at r0?

misty elm
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Yeah, a good Team Speed holder

amber crystal
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@dreamy canopy Yeah dude, full team CDA protection is insane

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Sherezar + piercid + cain

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And just win win win no matter what

inland trail
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Except when you fight exclusives GWjiangoOmegaLUL

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Or anticipation GWmythiBlobLUL

little berry
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Oof

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Yeah really nice ts holder unranked tho

gilded coyote
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Ranked TS Holder too

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😎

dreamy canopy
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Hello, I have 7500 orbs. I can get a r2 thalassa but was wondering if it would be better to get 3 WM (elvira and rag ) instead of just a r2 thal. Thoughts?

fiery skiff
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Meh. If u think about it. In the end youre gonna get all of that eventually

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So doesn't matter. Get r2 now and get monsters later or vise a versa. Either way you'll get all 3 monsters and 1 will be r2

gilded vine
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is there an optimal way of "farming" orbs ?

unkempt holly
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Keep buying the first 2 discounts and max your free ones with good pvp and nsd (if you got nemesis), no other way

jade fiber
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Best skills for Elvira at r0?

little berry
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Aura Of Forgiveness , Words Won't Save You , Aura Of Wrath & Protecting Light . you could also switch Aura Of Wrath out for Repent, Sinner if you'd like. or Aura Of Trust if you're worried about misses.

upper yew
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Thalassa dungeon tomorrw,right?

little berry
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@upper yew Correct.

fiery skiff
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@little berry sherezar too?

little berry
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Also Gortak.

fiery skiff
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Awesome

little berry
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Then Zahra, Ragnarok and Barbael.

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I'll get the final G4 skill, Savia Transfusion for my Zahra LaughP

fiery skiff
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Is Zahra good

little berry
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Totally. Vastly underrated.

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You can run her as a supporter (1 speed/ts and 2 tl) or 3 speed to either TT with debuff removal and precision (counters shock) or set up a damage mirror/the botanophobic shields. Depends on the enemy.

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She can block out the tortures, and the trait works so well with all the runes, buffs and the super tanks we have running around. I use my Zahra with Koralle/Clipeum and Helgudin. Helgudin is untouchable, and as for the tank - Zahra takes good care of it.

ember plume
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I want to get zahra for o rielly cells

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but sher and rag is really what I want badly

misty elm
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I look at what I need and right now I could really have some use for Babari

upper yew
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I want Barbari because he just looks awesome

misty elm
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I want him because he could go really well with Dunn Ra (or even Mephisto)

ember plume
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babari is quite good

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Not my primary choice for wm tho

upper yew
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Is he one of those wm that kinda need to be ranked?

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Like Thalassa etc

misty elm
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Kinda

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His best skill is at rank 4

upper yew
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Ah ok, Ill hold off on him for now then

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Im going for Thalassa unranked tomorrow, then Ill save all my orbs to rank her up

inland trail
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Babari is probably the worst WM though, but can be quite useful
Especially in the dragon book

tired ginkgo
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what did u just saidSadP

honest nova
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The worst is the metall one

little berry
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Agree.

digital flower
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Remntar is the worst wm?

high abyss
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lol?

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barbael is the worst

little berry
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Oh

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I forgot he exists

digital flower
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Remntar is actually a great one

little berry
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Oops

digital flower
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Used a lot in defenses

little berry
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And he's an easy beat for me lol

digital flower
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He's better than Gortak, babari, barbael, zahra and probably necro

little berry
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Hell naw.

digital flower
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Hell yes

honest nova
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What did you say

digital flower
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Do you even have him ?

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Or are you that simple minded to look at his skills only

little berry
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I don't want him, I don't need him. He's a trait with animations. That skill mirror refresh is the only thing that even be a threat in his skills.

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The special immunity is easy to walk around, plus TD is a thing.

digital flower
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Aaah so you're one of these people who say TD is a thing

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Ofc

little berry
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I said it as a "plus".

digital flower
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  • that special immunity in defense can be more useful than you'll ever think
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And the skill mirror is brutal in defense

high abyss
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he gives team control immunity too right

little berry
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Special immunity that can be taken away. Yippie. I'd rather have something actually useful in that spot, thank you.

high abyss
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it cant though

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its a trait

little berry
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Trait disabling will remove it, y'know.

high abyss
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well trait disable does exist but not often

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he has nanovirus too lol

digital flower
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Trait disabling ? Are you serious

little berry
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Control immunity isn't useful on a monster who's not gonna go first. + it's easy to wipe as well.

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As a skill I mean, obvs.

digital flower
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If Remntar is trash then all monsters are trash

little berry
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I didn't say he's trash.

As a monster alone, he's good. But not WM material to me.

digital flower
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And don't criticize somthing when you didn't even try it

little berry
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I did try it, sweetie. On a friend's acc. And it was exactly the way I predicted.

digital flower
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Remntar has the best Trait to put in defense and has a spammable 33% shield but i guess you know better

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If he's not WM material then Elvira isn't as well

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Know how to use him before you say he's not WM material mate

little berry
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Perhaps. I just use Wizard's Negation from a low lvl Sherezar (says hi to Remntar's R2 skill) and then kill him with Wangzhou. So yeah.

In wars, I just use a Talos/Flamerion when it comes to metal.

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Elvira is growing a bit outshined by monsters like Dunn Ra and Mephisto imo.

digital flower
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Mate every monster can be countered by something so that is not an argument at all

ember plume
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In metal I use timerion , remntard and flammyy

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Timerion does pose quite a threat

little berry
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Oh-kay, but still. He gets turns. With the charging banner. But he cant do anything threatening.

ember plume
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CDA, looped

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Essentially making you recharge

high abyss
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not worth arguin

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if you want to see what monsters are good

ember plume
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Where is the arguement?

high abyss
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look at the top pvp

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remntar is there so obviously hes worth it

digital flower
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That guy is saying Remntar isn't WM material

ember plume
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An arguement without me?

little berry
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I fight 130 Remntars all the time. And he always fails to impress me. Other WMs don't. Whatever.

digital flower
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Remntar is amazing for his trait

ember plume
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What is this madness

high abyss
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with what monsters

ember plume
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Remtar is the one wm that I wish I reconsidereed

digital flower
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I fight 130 sherezars with lvl 105-120 monsters and he fails to impress me

high abyss
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if you have any monster with per

ember plume
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Sher would have been so much better

high abyss
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elvira and remntar are pawns

digital flower
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Every monster can be countered

high abyss
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their whole gimmick is based around fighting enemies without per

digital flower
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But i know Sherezar is amazing even if i beat him all the time

high abyss
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obviously having per against a bot defense would give easy wins

ember plume
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You beat him because his ai stinks

little berry
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Sherezar is weak against DA, but ur Remmy can't do anything to them either and Sherezar will wreck your metal friend tho.

ember plume
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i beat thallasa because her thallasa stinks

digital flower
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AI stinks overall

ember plume
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Sher can just great dispel and then destroy from their

high abyss
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thats like saying thalassa is bad because gorg can 1 hit her

little berry
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Hmmm what skill should he use to get scary?

high abyss
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if its weak to one monster

digital flower
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Yes true

high abyss
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it doesnt mean its not worth its title

ember plume
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His skills are not like rag,sher level

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The one wm I feel can't murder me

little berry
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No. It's not. Thalassa can wreck anyone. Remntar is a mere inconvinience.

ember plume
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Zahra makes your team pose a bigger threat

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Remntar really is more of trait

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Good at lvl 100

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But not the best wm in 130

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babari can kill

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Barbael has the same effect as zahra

high abyss
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babari is amazing thats why

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trait disable + extra turn is a godly move

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literally why thalassa is op

ember plume
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Talos intensifies

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remtar is more of a fat chubby monster that does everything the first turn

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and then goes to sleep

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At 100 he is good compared to others because of trait alone

high abyss
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now id like to hear your opinion or barbael sapphire

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if remntar isnt worthy of

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wm

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what are your thoughts on barb

little berry
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Zahra's trait is more universal than Remntar's, too. And when it comes to skills, she kicks his bootay. What's better... Botanophobic Shields or 33%/50% shields. A TT with precision that counters shock and control or an anticipation skill.
Skill mirror you say? Zahra has damage mirror, and that is a nemesis of any AOE dmg attacker. Grinding Stones? Oh, nanovirus, what do we do... Oh yeah. Wipe it with your SUPPORT MONSTER, which both Zahra and Remntar are supposed to be. HmmHmMmmMmmm

ember plume
#

Remntar is definitely worthy of wm

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Remntar can't do much tho

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He depends on his team

#

I'm slowly changing my opinion towards barbael

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Considering he can make support monsters one shot

little berry
#

Barbael? He uh... Is an average monster... Looking past the WM title. @high abyss

ember plume
#

And poses a threat

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More than remntar

little berry
#

Tho the trait can be scary.

shadow tide
#

Wan is race guys

little berry
#

Unlike Remntar's.

ember plume
#

I battle a barbael base

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And got one shot ulted

little berry
#

Lol

shadow tide
#

Race

high abyss
#

go ask in general

ember plume
#

I was like mother christ what did I do to deserve this

little berry
#

Barbael is easily countered, but if you don't counter him, he will beat you down.

ember plume
#

Rag can be countered but god

high abyss
#

i dont get zahra

ember plume
#

He's a pain

high abyss
#

i dont see how shes so good

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much like elvira

#

per destroys so many monsters nowadays

ember plume
#

Zahra is a pure support monster

high abyss
#

zahra is shut down by per

ember plume
#

Extra turn skill

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:dogekek:

high abyss
#

its probs why i think my sammy is da best

ember plume
#

Also consider this

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Her trait makes the other monsters in her team

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Complete monsters

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If you kill her they kill you

high abyss
#

death door has entered the chat

ember plume
#

And you take foreve to kill them

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Just heal then

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And shields exist

high abyss
#

nah i still dont get her

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i always beat zahras

ember plume
#

What don't you get about her

high abyss
#

i dont get how shes good

ember plume
#

You beat zahra's doesn't make them bad

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I beat a 130 thallasa

little berry
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Whenever revived/hit with TD and then it expires or gets cleansed... Her trait heals. Be careful when TDing Zahra. Lol

ember plume
#

Does that make me athe best player?

high abyss
#

thats most likely not how it was intended to be sapphrie

ember plume
#

Please even I have better excuses

high abyss
#

that sounds very much like a bug

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or an exploit

ember plume
#

TD?

little berry
#

It was, bcz it wasn't like that until her release. Her trait would work just like Life Totem.

high abyss
#

no the heal

little berry
#

It technically isn't a heal

ember plume
#

yeah it isnt

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let me explain

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You know how certain monsters barely damaged with taunt?

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They return to their normal full hp

little berry
#

It's like that: she dies, buff gone, max HP goes down but not the current, she comes back, the current life gets boosted again

high abyss
#

yeah that was not intentional lol

ember plume
#

But that makes sense

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If she's gone the effect is gone and they return to their orginal hp

little berry
#

It boosts the TOTAL life. Not maximum.

ember plume
#

Then when she is revived they buff monsters again

#

But my priority is currently sher

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o rielly can help me in nature

high abyss
#

im going for thalassa

little berry
#

This fact is the reason her boost was scrapped from being Double Life

high abyss
#

i have an r3 hookuai i can use now

ember plume
#

Gd luck

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Thallasa responds stupidly to anticipation monsters

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And abyss bottoms the monster at lowest rank in the team with the least life

narrow cape
#

Heroic donjon broken ?

misty elm
#

Hmm?

upper yew
#

New heroic dungeons open tomorrow @narrow cape

fiery skiff
#

Hooray

little berry
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Need help Sherezar or ragnorak

astral vector
#

Whatever happened to the lv10 rune dungeon that was going to run along side the warmaster rotation? Did they bin that idea?

tired ginkgo
#

i think so

jagged lake
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Is warmaster necromancer the worst out of all of them

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Isn’t heroic dungeon warmaster dungeon

fleet oriole
#

No

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He by far isn’t the worst

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That goes to Zahra barbari Babaerl 😂

gilded coyote
#

Necromancer is the worst yes

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He's fallen off the wagon, and continues to meet the wheels on the way down

fleet oriole
#

I’ll still disagree

gilded coyote
#

Zahra has risen with her boosting the tanks permeating the meta, Babari is the best thunder attacker/debatably monster in general, and Barbael.....situational on that one lol

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Barbael's trait is phenomenal, but it's a trade off between the two

fleet oriole
#

Barbari, the best monster? Lmao??

gilded coyote
#

If you don't think so then sadly I will further disregard your opinion 😉

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And don't misconstrue my words, I specifically said thunder

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with one of these - /

fleet oriole
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Oh I read that wrong then

gilded coyote
#

denoting attacker/monster in thunder

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monster lolol Thalassa the disgusting creature

fleet oriole
#

I thought you meant best thunder attacker/ best monster

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😂

gilded coyote
#

Only in my heart 😭

tired ginkgo
tall topaz
#

babari best thunder attacker?

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😂

hot stream
#

? he is right

inland trail
#

Babari is definitely not even close to being the best thunder
Having the ability to counter faraday doesn't give him that position

hasty dock
#

Nothing beats Discharguer as the best Thunder attacker

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In this age of Anticipation though, the 2nd place would probably go to Obscure/ Babari depending on the situations in which they are being used

verbal sky
#

When does heroic heroic dungeon reset

little berry
#

The worst Warmaster is Zahra
And in between June 1-4 is when the Warmaster Dungeons will reopen

#

Barbari is the best Thunder Monster so far but as for the best Warmaster is between Elvira, Sherezar, Thalassa, and Ragnarok who are all placed in the OP Tier

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Eh, Necro’s Ai really hurts his value.

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But he is SS Tier along with Remntar and Babari

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Zahra is SS-

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Also nah, best WM is undisputedly Thalassa, and Elvira isn’t at the other 3’s level.

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Competitive wiki rankings are wack

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Eh, but I can’t say they are 100% wrong, ever since some monsters gained 2 abilities instead of 1

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I can say they’re 100% wrong

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Originally O’Reilly was SS- till they moved him up to SS+

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Shoot, Shyrnus is ranked higher than Malair XD

#

But yeah, I do love these Warmasters

dusty nymph
#

is it possible to get a warmaster with only monsters that aren't nemesis or anything like it

swift epoch
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Ofc

clear shore
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Measuring monster's powers based on tier is not a good idea

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And competitive fandom is biased

dusty nymph
#

well im not sure

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would a 105 gorg and 105 blob beat thalassa first two floors

fiery skiff
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Blob > thalassa

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I think so. I don't see why not

inland trail
#

Competitive wiki tiers are complete garbage and shouldn't ever be looked at

hasty dock
#

Idk why people consider Zahra the worst WM when Barbael exists 😂

forest marsh
#

Still

inland trail
#

I think they don't know what kind of an impact the life boost can have, especially if you're up against charmless (same element)
I'd still consider babari the worst WM, sure, he's good against faraday, but he isn't so great against a lot of other thunders, voltaik being the first who comes to mind

scenic mountain
#

how many orbs do u need for r0 warmaster?

misty elm
#

2300

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@inland trail same element against Charmless doesn't really matter, because he can make any enemy weak to Nature attacks (unless they resist it, like Hardened+ monsters, or are immune to it, like Artifacts)

inland trail
#

Yeah, but the extra life paired with some relics can make it harder for him to kill you GWvickyNueWink

misty elm
#

True

hasty dock
#

I agree with what Andrej said for the most part, but not about Babari

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He's one of the better chain attackers, and while Voltaik might have a residual damage move, depending on runes and relics, I'm not sure Voltaik can own Babari

frank nacelle
#

Voltaik is just an example for extra turn thunder attackers, no? i mean Zyla exists

misty elm
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Yeah

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Zyla has way better attacking potential than VoltaiK

frank nacelle
#

Also should i rank5 my Sherezar or Rank2 my Ragnarok later this month

misty elm
#

Rank 5 Sherezar?

upper yew
#

I did it guys!

#

Used Gorg, Kihaku and Nanuk

frank nacelle
#

that seems like the obvious choice Orb efficient wise indeed, but i dunno if i should prioritize it to getting a new skill on Ragnarok 🤔

misty elm
#

Ragnarok gets the resurrection skill at rank 3

ember plume
#

Charmless requires a great stamina draining relic to drain it

dull bobcat
#

warmaster are great as a supportor

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like Necromancer

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and Elvira

valid ravine
#

Why.

tired ginkgo
#

ouch

mossy sorrel
#

Oof

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Now u should buy orbs in discount or wait 1 month

jagged lake
#

I’m using thalassa should I use blob or vodnayay

forest marsh
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Blob

cedar dock
#

I'm going for my first war master and I have the orbs so which one should I go for??

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Many say elvira but idk

little berry
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elvria

mossy sorrel
#

Rem & Ragg are also great options

cedar dock
#

Who is rem oof

mossy sorrel
#

Skill mirror & Special protection isn't a bad thing

#
  • he can aoe 50% stun & he can spam 33% shield
cedar dock
#

Who r u taking bout

#

...

mossy sorrel
#

Remntar

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The metal one

cedar dock
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Oh ok

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I dont have good metal legends so scrap that

mossy sorrel
#

And if u have dunn or any taunt trait monster he will be great with them

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Oh ok

cedar dock
#

I have good fire, earth, water, light, magic and thunder monsters

mossy sorrel
#

I'm playing from 2 months I was having 0 metal legendary now got makugan, M2, Hackstar soon mirak r3

#

😅

cedar dock
#

I have a lot of metal monsters it's just that they bad

#

Let me show u

mossy sorrel
#

K

cedar dock
mossy sorrel
#

U can use copper beard, octex & scarp

#

I recently wasted 114 gems on hackstar 🙁

cedar dock
#

Scrap is good ik that but idk bout copperbeard

mossy sorrel
#

Use copper with speedlevel10 speedlevel10 speedlevel10

cedar dock
#

Is he denier?

mossy sorrel
#

Aoe stun

cedar dock
#

Oh cool might try

mossy sorrel
cedar dock
#

But I think I'll go for elvira first and then the metal guy

mossy sorrel
#

U can go for ragg if u like

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He is also great

cedar dock
#

Which is good for attack? Cuz ik elvira is support

mossy sorrel
#

Elivra lol

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Ragg

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Rem

little berry
#

wait did u say speed on captain copperbead

cedar dock
#

I have 2 nature legends and they both s**t so cant go for ragg just yet

mossy sorrel
#

@little berry no

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Hackstar

little berry
#

k good

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lol

mossy sorrel
#

I'm dead from inside

little berry
mossy sorrel
#

Cool

little berry
#

lol

serene meteor
#

why is he a mountain again?

mossy sorrel
#

He can be an attacker

little berry
#

why not

mossy sorrel
#

Lol

serene meteor
#

nonsense

little berry
#

fenrir+him is good

mossy sorrel
#

😐

little berry
#

since hes immune to stun

mossy sorrel
#

Yea

little berry
#

and gets 3x damage

mossy sorrel
cedar dock
#

This guy is op

little berry
#

nice

mossy sorrel
#

😱

serene meteor
#

😱

cedar dock
#

Cain has triple damage to bleeding monsters and I use scrap warrior with him who has aoe bleed and then I use stigmata from cain and the whole other team is dead

little berry
#

wowwowowowowow

mossy sorrel
#

Cain + Storm beard are op

cedar dock
#

Then kihaku for deny

little berry
#

i hope i get storm beard

mossy sorrel
#

Storm can CDA + bleed then cain can destroy

cedar dock
#

I can kill a lvl 100 to lvl 110 monsters who are normal legends in 3 moves

mossy sorrel
#

I may get storm from progressive but I hope I didn't wasted gems on hack

#

If storm cost -100 I can get him

cedar dock
#

I'm gonna get 300 gems next few days cuz I'm doing 2 tasks 1 for 160 gems and the other for 140 gems

mossy sorrel
#

Bcz I'm going to spend 100+ in cell week

cedar dock
#

😁😁

mossy sorrel
cedar dock
#

Yh

fiery skiff
#

What the what

inland trail
#

Well, babari can't deal nearly as much damage as volt, zyla or faraday, and he's definitely not a chain attacker
And I mentioned volt because of the residual damage and healing mask, but I guess Ingvar's Banner can work the same way with zyla in this case
Sorry, but I just can't seem to see what's so good about him so that many people speak of him as a top 3 or best thunder

dusty nymph
#

why is this so difficult how do i beat this

#

nevermind i just got lucky

ember plume
#

Unsure if you can beat the dungeon with that but okay

#

Hope you get more lucky

little berry
#

@inland trail Voltaik is the second best electric monster

fleet oriole
#

@dusty nymph that’s a hard level, I beat it with Gorg and Kihaku

#

I did the entire dungeon with gorg and Kihaku 😂

fiery skiff
#

Voltaik second better thunder monster?

mossy sorrel
#

No...

#

Volthar, storm, toshiro, zyla

fiery skiff
#

Kaori

ember plume
#

Toshiro and kaori better than voltaik?

#

Lmao/

fiery skiff
#

Lol

ember plume
#

I can understand if you say neo is better than voltaik but god

fiery skiff
#

Hydratila better thunder than voltaik

ember plume
#

Well hydratilla is a nemesis

fiery skiff
#

Well neo is a race monster

ember plume
#

Neo is like the best thunder

#

Apart from faraday

fiery skiff
#

Agreed

ember plume
#

Oh wait babari

fiery skiff
#

Meh

mossy sorrel
#

Eletrion

ember plume
#

Better than faraday imo

fiery skiff
#

All lies

#

Extra Turner > anticipation?

mossy sorrel
#

🤷

ember plume
#

trait disable extra turner

mossy sorrel
#

Anticipation

ember plume
#

Better trait

#

WAY BETTER trait

#

Per

fiery skiff
#

Trait disable disabled

inland trail
#

Faraday is by far the best thunder, volt and zyla come after, then copycat, neo and volthnar, then babari I guess

mossy sorrel
#

Eletron?

ember plume
#

Are you kidding me

#

No way you ranked volt and zyla about babari

#

And honestly neo is better than copy cat

mossy sorrel
#

Eletron can aoe stun

#

He is good

ember plume
#

When did an aoe stun

#

make a monster amazing?

inland trail
#

Eeltron has an aoe control immunity SC

mossy sorrel
#

Yea

ember plume
#

Thats the speciality

inland trail
#

Also, babari trash, change my mind GWnekomakiAngeryBOYE

ember plume
#

But most monstes now have cda

mossy sorrel
#

I like aoe stun tho

ember plume
#

Oof I changed peoples minds about

#

Timerion

#

Mirak

#

Wasper

#

But yours is the thickest mind to crack

inland trail
little berry
#

I gave up trying a long time ago

ember plume
#

What do you think about babari'

inland trail
#

What about timerion and mirak though? GWchadMEGATHINK

ember plume
#

Is BAD

little berry
#

Better to just let opinions differ

ember plume
#

People thought timerion and mirak succ

mossy sorrel
#

Babari = 💩

serene meteor
#

i didnt

#

sm

inland trail
#

He's OK, not the best, but good in certain situations

ember plume
#

No smaug never been in a dictatorship

#

SOOO why is he bad?

#

That doesn't make barbari bad

#

If he is not the best

inland trail
#

When I call him bad it's in a joking manner

ember plume
#

...

dusty nymph
#

i did beat it

inland trail
#

But his damage is lacking when compared to some other thunders, and he's an attacker

ember plume
#

K so I don't have to change your opinion about babari being bad?

dusty nymph
ember plume
#

His trait does him justice with damage

#

And plus he can do a lot of damage

#

Just get the extra turns and finish with a strong aoe or a strong otk

inland trail
#

I said when compared to some other thunders

ember plume
#

Your comparing him to voltaik and zyla eh

little berry
#

I could understand Faraday ahead of Babari

#

But like

ember plume
#

Actually smaug

#

I can't understand that

inland trail
#

I know you hate voltaik samg

ember plume
#

I don't have babari and use voltaik

little berry
#

Volt and Zyla ahead of Babari, let alone second and third in Thunder I’ll never understand

ember plume
#

But voltaik is heavily countered by stamina draining relics

inland trail
#

Not really

#

That's what his residual damage is for

ember plume
#

Not really? ho ho

inland trail
#

You hit the monster who doesn't have the relic, he can easily avoid them

ember plume
#

But if he has a major threat he has to take out first

#

Be sure that if the monster has an exhausting mask

#

Your done for

#

And multiple stamina draining relics

#

babari is also tanky

#

He can hold healing stuff in his relic slots

#

And a different entire issue is the fact that anticipation monsters are not that rare anymore

#

Thx rag

little berry
#

Good at getting around the newer tanks too :DrakeYea:

inland trail
#

Volt is great at that too

ember plume
#

Not every volt has a jazzy mask

#

But even that doesn't matter

inland trail
#

And you don't have to hit that monster until until you can OHK it
Mine doesn't either

ember plume
#

A 50k volts

#

Isn't gonna otk a rag

inland trail
#

Using 50k volts tells me you don't know how to use him

ember plume
#

Well with a jazzy mask thats the first skill i will use

#

And I do have one

#

You can avoid relics but remember. The enemy team may have all the monsters with stamina draining relics

inland trail
#

Key word may

ember plume
#

Also the volt is always not lvl 130

#

So its not like they are going to have a chance to otk the entire enemy team

inland trail
#

He can do it even at lower levels if used correctly

ember plume
#

Depends on the enemy team

#

On how tnky they are

inland trail
#

There are a lot of factors you have to consider, but overall volt is still a lot better than babari

little berry
#

Oof

ember plume
#

:Gwtiemtodie:

#

Not an emote but if it is there I would like to use it

inland trail
#

So I guess I'm one of those people you couldn't convince
Although convincing the ones who thought timerion and mirak were bad probably wasn't so hard

ember plume
#

Convincing the guys wasper was good was a lot harder

inland trail
ember plume
#

Well most of the people I convinced timerion was good

#

Was done by beating them with timerion

#

Which tbh is kinda cheating

little berry
#

hE’s oLd AnD sLoW

inland trail
ember plume
#

Say that to my 8209 speed timerion

#

Who probably is outdated

inland trail
#

Old but still the best metal GWpaboaWeSmart
Although a case could be made for talos IP

#

This is quite easily a 3 coin win
Didn't think about this before, but because timmy is an artifact, it doesn't even matter much if they reflect explosion
I already did this friendly battle, missed the control on ruby, but still won
Just waited for the skill mirror to wear off and then timerion does his thing
Maybe I'll do and record this battle, can get pretty interesting and strategic

#

Doesn't even matter if I miss on their ruby, it's an automatic 3 coin win as long as the other two get hit

little berry
#

Babari sucks, Zyla is first Voltaik second copycat third the neo and idk after

inland trail
#

Faraday intensifies

fleet oriole
#

this is what i was saying yesterday xD

#

if there's a thunder war. im gonna take faraday over anything lmao

inland trail
#

Well, the dischauger is the best thunder and no one else can come close

little berry
#

If you say so

high abyss
#

😄

little berry
#

Cool beans

#

👏 👏 👏

high abyss
#

finally got her to r5 after 3 months of playin

#

took so long

hasty dock
#

Its pointless to try and make Andrej realise that Babari is better than Voltaik or Zyla 😶

#

He has a Mask and Amulet slot, can reasonably shrug off the Anticipation threat, and has excellent base stats and decent dmg moves

#

I really dunno why he's such a fan of Voltaik...

inland trail
#

Because battling with him is safe

#

Stats don't matter

#

Volt and zyla have better relic slots

#

Sorry, but you can't convince me babari is a top thunder monster
Being a WM isn't enough

limpid spear
#

Babari can easily wreck volt and zyla

#

For babari having a amulet slot instead of sword is really helpful, as you can heal (bronze or diamond) and even increase his base stamina

#

A ranked babari can also go against anticipation, he might not be the best war master but he is definitely better than zyla or volt

high abyss
#

they dont even have a r0 babari xd

#

id say actually use the monster before saying its bad

abstract galleon
#

can someone send me the stats of the monsters in sherezar floor 2 last node plz

#

?

forest marsh
#

Babari is better than them lol

hasty dock
#

I didn't expect to hear that stats don't matter from u, Andrej 😅

#

Volt and Zyla are the definition of "fragile" monsters these days

#

I won't try and grow u out of ur love for Volt, but pl, don't deny that Babari is a top Thunder monster 😉

#

He's an extremely well balanced and useful WM, and a decent attacker by his own right

#

And for those who think Babari can deal with Anticipation only at r4+, u're forgetting his SG3 and SG2 extra turn moves apply blind and minor blind respectively.... Now imagine a rainbow runed Babari face off against a Faraday (other than Discharguer). There's definitely a far, far better chance than either of Volt/ Zyla that Babari can use his extra turns and still not hand over the match to Faraday, and that's not even considering relics coming into play...

upper yew
#

Does anyone know the date for Nemesis days

inland trail
#

As I said, he counters faraday, but not as good against others
Well, he's not really top 3, maybe not even top 5, but is the best option against faraday, especially if you don't have your own faraday (dischauger)
I personally really like him, partially because of the design, partially because he has a rather interesting and unusual skillset, and even though I'm sure he'd be more fun to use than faraday or volt, it doesn't make him better GWvickyNueWink

high abyss
#

ngl

#

volt is garbage

#

like steaming poop

#

actually flaming poop

#

that was thrown off a cliff

#

and landed in a larger pile of poop

inland trail
#

Because?

high abyss
#

just doin my part to fuel the fire

inland trail
#

So you have no reasons?

high abyss
#

oh i do

#

but those are just my opinions after all

inland trail
#

BTW, John and I are teammates who often have debates like this, so there's no 'fire' GWvickyNueWink

high abyss
#

no im feeding the “voltaik is good” fire

#

in general

inland trail
#

Well he's great

high abyss
#

yeah he is great

#

just not as good as babari

#

🍔🗿🍔🗿

inland trail
jagged lake
#

How to beat the last node of remntar dungeon

#

First floor

river laurel
hasty dock
#

Give Shademoon and Wasper another red each

#

Or atleast Shademoon...

#

He'll be the key monster in the fight, with his Area Dodge and Spirit hater moves

river laurel
hasty dock
#

I'm glad u got him 😉

signal heath
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I run shademoon with 2 power one speed and I hate wasper so. But! I did run him with all power because of his evasion

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@jagged lake I legit had to use the Russian bear guy. The one that does 100% team shield. To tank the reflect and hoped to god makugan would make it with her evasion move 😂

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@hasty dock Babari is terrible. The amount of anticipation users nowadays he’s the one warmaster I have never used since I got him. I’ve even used zahra. But Bavaria only once until I realized how awful he is so I have to disagree with you

frozen crane
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Babari has some blind and minor blind skills to deal with the anticipation, and has a better bulk than most of the other extra turners

signal heath
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Yeah if he goes first and he probably won’t

jagged lake
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I’m doing remtar floor one last node but I can’t beat it which one of these monster would help me out I also have metalhead stinger baroness ultrabot quxiote and metalhead can you help me. Assemble a team and what runes to put on them

signal heath
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Patient cyber tank and copper I’d say

jagged lake
signal heath
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I got lucky and I beat it with a couple ranked monsters

jagged lake
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Nice but I only have one rank monster it’s so hard to rank monsters

signal heath
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Yeah I’d use the team that I just said

jagged lake
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Ok thxs

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Gonna take a while because I can only request them

signal heath
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Tank for tanking hits cyber is your main deny and copper for you damage

jagged lake
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When is the metal dungeon coming back

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What runes to put on them

signal heath
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Towards the end of the month

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That’s the last in rotation

jagged lake
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Ok

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So if can only get one of the three which should I get

signal heath
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Probably cyber

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Tank is your last concern I think

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With copper being the middle child

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If not you could use scrap warrior instead of cyber

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Find out what your team can help with the most

jagged lake
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Ok but cyber cells are rare

signal heath
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Yeah I know that lol. That’s why I gave you a second option

jagged lake
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Alright thxs for the help I’ll be grinding

signal heath
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Your welcome! Good luck my man.

tulip sapphire
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@river laurel i use the same team except bandses for learnean lol

little berry
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Cool beans

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👏 👏 👏

tulip sapphire
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Yes next up is remetar

fiery skiff
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Sadness

tulip sapphire
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y

mossy sorrel
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🤷

hasty dock
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@signal heath every player has his own opinion 😉

signal heath
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@hasty dock oh they do sir

hasty dock
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I like to think out of the box and try out new and fun strats, so most often my ideas don't go along with the general opinion 😊

signal heath
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Hey I wasn’t saying your wrong I’m just saying if you can make it work have at it. I just can’t....

hasty dock
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I just said he has a better viability against Anticipation attackers than most other extra turners...

signal heath
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Even charmless? Minuses marquise

hasty dock
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Yes, even Charmless

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Babari's extra turn moves do a lot more than simply apply elemental weakness, and he has a very worrysome AoE SC, none of which Charmless can offer

weak moon
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Ok so I'm at the last node in the sherry dungeon but I'm having some trouble

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(Last node on the 2nd floor)

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These are the only monsters I have

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What should I do

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Sorry about all the pictures

fleet oriole
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Who’s on the last node again?

weak moon
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Sherezar Scrap Warrior and Voytek

abstract galleon
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can you send sherezar's stats in this node plz?

weak moon
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Strength: 3780 Speed: 7176 Life: 53801

abstract galleon
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weak moon
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This is after like 20 tries

abstract galleon
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congrats

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who was your other monster?

weak moon
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Mr.Flaky

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I ended up swapping his level 4 team speed with another level 5

abstract galleon
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i will be using baron traitor

weak moon
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I recommend also using Shademoon and Wasper if you have them

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Shademoon's spirit hater really helps deal massive damage against sherezar

abstract galleon
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i have them both at 115

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thanks for the tips!

weak moon
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Np

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If you need help with movesets or anything I can help

abstract galleon
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ok

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thank you

weak moon
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I have 300+ orbs left after completing sherry floor 2

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You guys think I should get some progress on Thalassa?

fleet oriole
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If you plan to get her to R1 then ye

tired ginkgo
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@weak moon congrats

surreal galleon
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r0 WMs ranked?

stray wave
inland trail
strong bison
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@inland trail

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You booli

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I can't use this emote here

signal heath
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Thalassa is very useful even unranked. Rank 1 she gets AOE mega freeze but rank 0 she has AOE drowned+freeze

high abyss
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whats the best r1 skillset for thalassa

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im thinking aoe mega freeze, aoe freeze hater, freeze hater extra turn, per extra turn

inland trail
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With thalassa's chosen you don't need ocean rain, swap it for the aoe freeze+drown

winter river
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Yes as Andrej said

hasty dock
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Ocean Rain is only useful for supportive build for lower lvl Thalassas

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Handy for going up against the likes of Pierceid

winter river
tired ginkgo
inland trail
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I have that as well, but with X IX IX

tired ginkgo
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out of the club

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try to rejoin when she has only x runesLaughP 🤣

inland trail
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Flexes with his 130 on Varenne

winter river
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Varenne is Nicole's acc so it doesn't count

little berry
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Good choice of Runes for Thalassa. I’m gonna focus on getting more water cells before I go for her

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@winter river What did you give her relic wise?

jagged lake
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do they have any metal trait disablers for remntar dungeon

little berry
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shrugs

winter river
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The relics for thalassa you MUST run supercharged amulet for shield doesn't matter but thetys armor is the perfect choice the shield armors aren't that much of a choice because they expire after 10 turns and she is a heavy extra turner

fleet oriole
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What about the relic that gives you armour when u get hit then?

hasty dock
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Its better for higher rank monsters who don't have the risk of getting OHK'd

pulsar knot
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Finally got my 2nd warmaster, Sherry! 😍

tall topaz
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cool

upper yew
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Is this a good relic for Thalassa if I dont have supercharge amulet?

little berry
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God no

limpid spear
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What are the rank 1 and rank 2 skills for gortak

stray wave
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I going to save up for elvira next

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Any good light monsters I could breed for her dungeon?

fiery skiff
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Arch knight

little berry
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@limpid spear Watch Out Gortak! and Full Yager.

verbal sky
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how many heroic orbs for floor 4?

tired ginkgo
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Orbs Required For Each Floor For Warmaster
1st floor 20x40 =800
2nd floor 25x60 = 1500
3rd floor 30x80 = 2400
4th floor 35x100=3500
5th floor 40x120=4800
6th floor 45x150=6750

inland trail
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Nicole went to ROTN and left me Varenne GWvickyNueWink
About the armor for thalassa, thetys' armor kinda bad, heavy duty or atum's, even nebotus' are mich better choices

misty elm
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Should I go for Thalassa rank 1? I need water cells for Hookuai and Gorg

tired ginkgo
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yes kihaku

misty elm
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Teenage Kihaku is basically a dwarf?

flint geyser
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I'm using Bella Baal, cloud and kaori in Elvira dungeon

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Got Bella at rank one but don't want to spend too much elementium on cloud

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So should I replace cloud with atvh Knight or kaori with arch knight?

misty elm
little berry
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cool

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beans

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👏 👏 👏

magic thicket
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Wow 280 cells of kihaku... @misty elm

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Amazing

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Kihaku fan?

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I have r3 kihaku too

misty elm
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No, I just collected his cells

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He was in many events

magic thicket
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Oof