rag
#monster-discussion
fleet oriole
elvira
and 105 sherry which im gonna get to 110 next
after that i assumed going for necro would be smart
inland trail
After that get a 110 rag (unlocks thalassa's and necro's skills)
inland trail
There will be close to no situations where necro will be more useful than sammy
I think metal
fleet oriole
i doubt i can do it
only reason i can get r2 sherry is because magic is my strongest element by far
my thudner's good enough for r1
but no way can my metal do r2 xD
i have like 1 r1 1 r2 in metal
sand coral
Rank 2 Ragnarok needs fire monsters. Metal is the restriction for floor 5 and R3
inland trail
Oh
Well big oof then
hasty dock
Well, a Necro on offence can keep a defending Necro at bay 😉😂
pine mango
Am planning to get remntar after I get ragnorok which monsters would be good to get ranked up?
fleet oriole
100-105 is my limit atm for most wms
copperbeard, the plague guy if you already have him from the tema race
sand coral
Ragnarok at 105 is great
pine mango
Is he the one that has the aoe stun and cooldowns deactivated?
hasty dock
If u mean Copperbeard, then yes
fleet oriole
Nice!
tired ginkgo
😋
frozen crane
should rag run rainbow runes at r0
inland trail
He should never run rainbow 
Life if you're afraid he might be easily killable
His highest damage move is 60 earth and it's at R4, so he shouldn't be given 
at any rank
fleet oriole
If you want him for damage run the extra turn and deaths door
deep relic
Since R1 is required for floor 2, does it imply max-leveled monsters? (Even for floor 1)
tired ginkgo
no, they only have to be r1
sand knoll
what does ragnarok learn at r1
tired ginkgo
no more failures
inland trail
That's the best amulet and an excellent relic 
tired ginkgo
ragnarok or thalassa
pulsar knot
- Ragnarok
- Thalassa
Then?
little berry
Thalassa ahead of Rag if we’re talking fully ranked
pulsar knot
- Thalassa
- Ragnarok
- Sharazar
? Please help
tired ginkgo
no idea who is coming
polar valve
uhm Elvira is arguably better than Ragnarok
but then its the point of ranking(level) and runes and stuff
so do put her 4th
but thats at 130
because at r0 she is 2nd with sherry being first
ofc all of these are personal opinion based on times I have faced each monster
inland trail
- Thalassa
- Sherry
- Rag
- Elvira
- Gortak
- Remntar
- Barbael
- Necro
- Zahra
- Babari
In my opinion at least
inland trail
Yop
tired ginkgo
i agree with andrej's list
pulsar knot
I thought Zahra would be last before babri
tired ginkgo
actually nah
pulsar knot
Gorthak that good as well?
little berry
Gortak stronk when ranked
tired ginkgo
^
inland trail
^
inland trail
I don't find elvira OP anymore TBH
tired ginkgo
she is in lower leagues
pulsar knot
Unranked, Elvira is useful I suppose
little berry
Elvira pretty weak on defense, on offense she’s still really strong but with all the new tanks less so than she used to be imo
pulsar knot
Dunn has replaced Elvira for me tbh
inland trail
Llum nearly always replaces elvira for us 
little berry
:DrakeYea:
pulsar knot
Out of top 3, which is best unranked?
little berry
Rag
little berry
Are either of Blob or Nidaria good for getting Thalassa r1?
inland trail
- Sammy
- Ruby
- Llum
- Talos
- Warthak
- Faraday
- Nadiel
- Hydratila
- Luci
little berry
Llum over talos, is llum that good?
pulsar knot
@inland trail I don't get the appeal of Sammy. Only good for Ressurect right?
inland trail
Nope
pulsar knot
@inland trail, so you suggest to go for Sammy?
inland trail
TT, amazing support (75% single heal, 25% to the other two+regen, pain scourge, he can even deal (DOT) damage)
Yes
pulsar knot
OK, I'm bad with shorts forms. DOT?
inland trail
Burn, posion etc.
fleet oriole
bare in mind
- is ruby not xiron
other xirons are like 8th
and i swear Luci is better than Hydralta
since i swear one of the Luci's is good for wars
kind crane
Andrej you drunk
hasty dock
When it comes to chests, buying Warthak, Sammy, Faraday and maaaaybe Llum is the safest
kind crane
Base Fara is meh tho
hasty dock
All the Nemeses are pretty good and dominant in their respective fields, so its pointless imo making ranklists
Base Faraday has his uses...
kind crane
I’m basing it on usefulness in comparison to its element/books n whatnot
Plus how useful base are from buying chests
hasty dock
Like I said, all the Nemeses dominate their elements
They're easier to rank than WMs, so better value imo
inland trail
And they're better than the WM in their element for the most part
And luke, warthak is not that good, talos deals a little less damage, but has a better trait and relic slots
Also Luke, just because you don't like ruby it doesn't mean she's bad, 2nd for sure, and no other nemesis except sammy (who is better) come close to her
About luci vs hydratalia, luci's value has definitely increased a lot, since she can remove positive effects, which is huge nowdays and the only other top fire monster who can do that is ingenica
But I still feel like hydratila is a bit more useful than her
Of course both lists are made from a war perspective
ember dew
Anyone know what the battle conditions are for ragnarok floor 2?
kind crane
Nah warthak for sure is superior to talos
ember dew
Talos has trait disabled which is useful in today’s meta with monsters having taunt, Dodge area and hardened for every monster coming out
Also to remove trait effects like true vision, special protection, anticipation
kind crane
Only if you use stamina rune or mutate it
I prefer magic metal unless you can mutate nature one
Cda mugs nature off
inland trail
He also has a 0 CD skill, but nature is more of a denier and magic is attacker-orianted
polar valve
@pulsar knot I dont have all, I have 5/10 but I have faced all
little berry
top 10 WM and Nemesis together list: 1. Thalassa 2. Sherry 3. Ragna. think most can agreed on those in a own kind of level. 4-10? Or why not do a top 10 all monsters (must have class) and see how many Nemesis who make it.
kind crane
I prefer Rag over Shezza I think
gentle lance
Monsters for babari (thunder) dungeon....????
fleet oriole
i'd say sherry over rag tbh if we're saying 130
and @little berry that sounds really good tbh. if someone could make a top 10 monsters as a whole list it would be really good
little berry
Sammy is the best for his role right?
fleet oriole
yeah
limpid spear
I can't believe this just happened to me
fleet oriole
Was that the last one you needed?
delicate jasper
I think that he want the samael with the metal attacks
fleet oriole
yeah but you need 100 cells ahaha
delicate jasper
Yeah
limpid spear
Well that was the only one I need, I had 70 of his cells from dungeon and last I tried that chest, I got the warrior cells
fleet oriole
Niceee
frozen crane
can kihaku and 2 mudflows complete thalassas dungeon
tired ginkgo
maybe
inland trail
@little berry those are definitely not the top 3... Thalassa is, but the other two 
Sammy PC/FS are a lot better than rag and sherry (I personally prefer them over thalassa as well), ruby is better than sherezar in almost every situation and it can be said that llum MM, maybe even sammy DS are better than rag
After that it is harder to list them 
ember dew
@frozen crane you’ll need an attacker, if you have Gorg then you should rank him up because Gorg can basically one shot thalassa
ember plume
In my opinion rag and sherezar are a lot better than the other nemesis
inland trail
Why? 
ember plume
ok let me slowly give my reason
inland trail
Slowly 
ember plume
i'm tired
severe junco
lol
guys how the heck does armour gaming have so many nemesis when he is f2p?
he has a 130 ruby lmao
inland trail
Someone bought him faraday
He bought sammy I think
Also nemesis cell dungeons were a thing
That's how I got my nemeses
I myself could've had 2 R5s (f2p here), but a 120 and 5 115s are better
fleet oriole
How do you beat faraday Thalassa?
inland trail
Another faster denier can beat faraday/thalassa
Or your own thalassa
ember plume
Granted samael has several benefits over rag namely PER,NER,pestis affect and can heal. Samael really can't do much to stop the enemy team after the turn transfer. An attacker with 50% damage boost can't do a ton of damage and if there is an anticipator monster samael can just only reduce damage or lower accuracy. Rag on the other hand is not as great in per in lower ranks but in higher ranks can queens call an enemy monster. rag can also revive an ally but unlike sammy's give double damage and an extra turn.(50% tho) Rag's extra turn completely heals the ally. He can stop the enemy dead in their tracks with a huge roster of control and even set up skill mirror. Rag also has his own ner which also heals and applies evasion. Rag's trait is also better imo because antcipation and true vision hardened and a random sc sounds better than bulwark. I also think rag's skills ae far more superior than that of samael
inland trail
Simple if you got the money
Thalassa/sherezar, an attacker and a taunt monster
ember plume
ok now sherry and ruby arguement
frozen crane
if i switch this would it allow me to change back
severe junco
yes
inland trail
Yes
frozen crane
ok good
severe junco
aha gotcha
frozen crane
its switching time
severe junco
noice
frozen crane
i needed to switch the move for a technical reason
fleet oriole
S it worth me getting a 110 sherry lol
frozen crane
cuz enemy that im about to attack
fleet oriole
Is*
frozen crane
has no stamina refill relic, but a monster with 0 cd skill
inland trail
Interesting arguments, another person who thinks sammy is mainly a TT monster 
ember plume
he is not
But what else will he do
When the enemy denier is there
Ik he is an amazing support monster tho
Its hard comparing both of these monster
s
inland trail
Sure rag stops TTs? 
fleet oriole
What a team 😂
ember plume
If the oponent attacks you with the monsters tho
The result will definitely be different
severe junco
andrej i thought you were f2p
ember plume
Ah andrej let me just type my xiron sher essay
inland trail
Not my acc @severe junco
severe junco
oh okay
tired ginkgo
lol u beat tek
inland trail
This team is obviously not built to fight that
So what's the point of saying that?
Area dodge/taunt/rag is easy with this team
ember plume
Sure sherry does not have two random controls ut lets compare both of these monsters first. Trait: Sherry's trait is far more superior since cda is a very common deny and the monster can no longer cda. True vision is a must as rng will no longer exist. Not saying Ruby's trait is bad in anyway. Skills: Xiron can cda,control and stamina drain. Sherezar can cda, control. and per. If the opponent has tough and hardened sher probably has the upper hand because of true vision. If the opponent has immunities on the other hand I don't thing random spell book will be very useful and ruby explosion will be better. The reason I think sher is better tho is one: PER and 2 the fact that he has 2 aoe denies and 3 He is also faster than xiron.
And I have to say this immediately these are all my opinions and since I never used the nemeses I don't think I am very accurate with these info
inland trail
Base speed doesn't matter, but other than that, even though I don't agree, I can see what you're trying to say
You're the only one who actually has well thought arguments which make sense, about sherry vs ruby, who is better depends on the situation and personal preferance
ember plume
i actually don't have either of the monsters
Also how does that pvp team work?
I'm kinda confused
is it just that rag can't do anything?
inland trail
There's no real strat TBH
I usually recharge with sammy since he goes 1st, then TT with FS into himself, then clear effects with PC or nadiel, then I can TT with PC because rag's good skills are out of the way
And I slowly kill them, because they can't deal enough damage to make up for the insane support skills I have, in that battle against Itachi I even resurrected each monster once to end up with full HP on all
inland trail
Exaxtly, even with death door they can't kill it (if they run an attacker rag and manage to kill it I just rez)
And my sammy has 
(normal, not SX), so he's very fast (skills come off CD faster) and tanky
My playstyle is outliving the opponent, that's why I appreciate monsters like sammy and llum so much
frozen crane
aw man i missed the xiron vs sherezar argument
well no point in bringing it back now
severe junco
xiron the ruby is the best xiron right?
frozen crane
someone prob bought him the xiron
inland trail
Elementium
That's what friends do
severe junco
man those are one hella friends
lol guys i got the answer from armour him self since he is doing a livestream right now
he said he used elementiums
inland trail
I told you that above as well
little berry
Oof
mortal bay
Andrej gives a lot of bad advice to newer players
"Sammy PC/FS are a lot better than rag and sherry (I personally prefer them over thalassa as well), ruby is better than sherezar in almost every situation and it can be said that llum MM, maybe even sammy DS are better than rag"
This kinda of bad advice can lead to people wasting money and recourses
limber notch
what rank does necromancer get his revival skill?
limber notch
then i definitely can't get that. Guess I should have tried more in the Undertaker progressive
fleet oriole
@mortal bay Top 10 WM/Nemesis’s?
mortal bay
At 130 ?
fleet oriole
Yeah
mortal bay
Best
Thalassa
Sherezar
Ragnarok
Remntar
Samael (Metal)
Elvira
Samael (Light)
Gortak
Babari
Xiron (Fire)
Worst
pseudo jolt
Best Warmaster?
little berry
Depends on rank
torn arrow
I don't think @inland trail gives bad advice like you said yami.
No offense, but granted who your team is I think you might be out of touch what works at lower and mid levels.
Remntar, Babari are definetly not better than Samael, Xiron or even Elvira at mid level. Your opinion is based on your experience, you probably have them at 120+ with SX runes. That is not viable for new players. Elvira and Ragnarok are much more useful at lower level than Thalassa or Sherezar or Babari who only get their most useful skills on high ranks.
So, not only was your comment harsh, i think it is completely out of touch as well with what works for mid and low level players and comments like yours would have new players with limited spending capacity make the wrong choice FOR THEM. According to you they should invest in a Thalassa. Guess what? They will end with a lvl 100 thalassa that will be outsped and dominated by a 115 thetys or kihaku ftp. Elvira or Ragnarok are the better investment for new players who are not gonna go all 130 and X runes in a week from getting the monster.
But hey what do i know. I have only been playing since beta.
mortal bay
I may be on PoF now, but in the past few months I have played on multiple teams in the top 200
I also have an alt account that has very few strong monsters
I was specifically asked for a list where all monsters are at 130
Not that it matters at all, but I've also been playing since the early days of this game
ember dew
Is barbael any good
winter river
Decent=worst in this situation
ember plume
@ember dew I suggest going for other wms
little berry
like rag. NR 1 best to get all monsters at just 100 imo 😃
inland trail
Even at 130 samael is much better than pretty much all monsters you listed except thalassa, ruby is still better than all except sammy/thalassa and maybe sherezar, and there's many more nemesis monsters who are much better than their WM counterpart
Remntar over samael or ruby? Seriously?
Of course my advice is from a war perspective since I don't care about pvp so much
little berry
130 samael is just as terryfying to see on defense as a lvl 100 rag if its up to me like in general. Ofc there will always be situational with runes, relics which other 2 monsters paired and everything and the table can turn, but in general all nemesis are getting outdated.
inland trail
OK? I'd like to see you try to beat a samael in war without your own samael, because that guy makes most monsters you use useless
little berry
ok andrey, i usually attck 130 samael bases in war, never lost i think. many easy options take him down.
fickle acorn
CDA ez pz.
inland trail
Unless he's got 
or
Besides CDA and sherezar what other reliable way do you have to take on him? Oh yeah, you don't
little berry
is that your argument, if he has owerpowered runes ? doesnt mean anything. only shows he need more to stay reveliant.
inland trail
is overpowered?
little berry
you showed sx lol
clear shore
Honestly imo, neither of the monsters are better than the other without taking in consideration the other two monsters being out along with them. Sure sammy can 1v3 against some teams, but so can other wm. All in all, it depends on which monsters you put along side both monsters.
inland trail
The only WMs who can (potentially) 1v3 are sherezar and maybe necro
clear shore
Not r5 wm teams btw
little berry
exactly, its all a mix of everything as i said, but in general, 1 monster vs another, pyff its not a disscussion. imo🤠
candid oasis
shademoon vs samael bases samael RIP...
inland trail
Unless he has life 
candid oasis
what if shademoon possess 2 👌
i have countered many samael and ruby in pvps
that is fun
1 shot kills
inland trail
What if sammy has 2
candid oasis
shademoon still has chances to win
inland trail
But yes, shademoon can be used to kill spirits very effectively, especially sherezar and samael who will most likely have only aoes
candid oasis
i run him with my remntar he get 2 extra turns to kill any monster
yeah
spirit hater wins xD
tired ginkgo
kind crane
@mortal bay you put shezza over Rag?
inland trail
Yeah sherry is better than rag
mortal bay
Yeah, I feel Ragnarok as good as he is, is being made to seem better than he is due to his amazing compatibility to the current meta
Plus area true vision is way too good, being able to make an attack plan knowing for sure you won't miss is just so satisfying
kind crane
The area true vision is only reason I got/runed shezza at 100
With all taunt monsters out and I’d assume more coming does limit rag
I need an anticipation monster tho. Plus with thalassa don’t want my second wm to be another denier
inland trail
Yeah, taunt is rag's downfall, quite easy to counter with a simple race monster (unless he's running his trait disable skill)
mortal bay
To an extent yes, but the positive effects Rag gives even while being taunted messes up a lot of teams
kind crane
Death door has its uses as well. I think for rag just depends on the restrictions
inland trail
Queen's call won't help against taunt as a trait
kind crane
I still dunno whether I’ll be able to max thalassa or just go to rag
mortal bay
It's for Dunn
kind crane
I don’t wanna waste orbs trying
inland trail
I wouldn't recommend maxing WMs for players like us Luke, having more mid rank ones is better than having one or two maxed
kind crane
True
120 is always my aim for ranking monsters anyway
It’s just if I maxed Thal I could extract my water epics
inland trail
kind crane
Which are you on Andrej?
inland trail
Currently got a 100 rag and sherry, then I'll work on a 120 sherry
Thalassa will stay at 120 for a while
kind crane
After Thal and Rag. Would you do Shezza or Remntar?
I’m thinking Remn. He really has his uses
Then again magic elemental would be nifty
Metal doesn’t really benefit me
misty elm
Guys, what's your progress in the Nemesis dungeon?
inland trail
I'm not a huge fan of remntar. but then again I got a 130 timerion
You should always work on what you're weak, if you're weak in metal get remntar
Completed @misty elm
kind crane
I finished it
inland trail
Got a 2nd gakora's staff 
kind crane
Im weak in everything mate
misty elm
Okay 63% here 😦
kind crane
I have 2 nadiels staff if that makes ya feel better
kind crane
Earth/dark/water maybe
misty elm
Last time I was able to beat the Gortak base, now the Warthak base killed me
inland trail
Pyro
mortal bay
Saving for Zahra hurts my mental
misty elm
Hmm?
kind crane
Oh god don’t
misty elm
Who needs Zahra? 😄
inland trail
I'd recommend charmless over nadiel nowdays TBH, especially with all the misses going around
mortal bay
Me :/
kind crane
I assume it’s just Zahra and Barbael left?
misty elm
For the books?
mortal bay
Necro is only 110
kind crane
Necro meh
mortal bay
Leaving him there to rot
inland trail
Zahra is actually kinda useful, she's the best charmless stopper in nature
misty elm
Necro is love. Necro is death.
inland trail
Necro trash
mortal bay
Zahra's pretty good
inland trail
Varenne got this, so not a bad NSD 
mortal bay
I know I'll end up needing her
misty elm
Now I regret getting Gortak to rank 2, because my rank 4 Warthak is better
Although he's not bad
inland trail
Gortak is still quite good in superheroes though, if you don't have faraday at least
mortal bay
It feels weird to say but I think Zahra might be better than Necro
misty elm
Y u not like Necro?
inland trail
His AI is the definition of trash
mortal bay
Dunn Ra is better for dark
misty elm
Well, I can agree with that 😄
mortal bay
Rag is better for all books
inland trail
There's quite a few better darks now
inland trail
His rez skill is not as good, but other than that he's a lot better
inland trail
Yeah, but only single deny unfortunately...
He's also easily countered if you bring multiple good support monsters
kind crane
But that’s because Rag has replaced Necro
candid oasis
@kind crane can you take ss of monster with runes that you used to get thalasa 120
abstract galleon
1 sec
little berry
sherry for true vision all team, good for rank 0 pick up, remntar another good choice
kind crane
I’ll Pm ya Usman
devout ore
Cha Cha real smooth.
haughty lance
should i use my elementium to rank my samael to R3 or use elementium to rank my gorg to rank 1 to get thalassa
swift epoch
haughty lance
ok thanks
frozen crane
whats a better control to put with rag and dunn ra, r0 thalassa or oreilly
little berry
O’Reilly
ember dew
Why doesn’t warmaster barbael have a status caster? Personally I think he should...
fickle acorn
mossy sorrel
Yeah
little berry
Status Caster’s weren’t a thing yet. Gortak and Necro don’t have one either.
hasty dock
Gortak is already immune to control himself and gives area immunity to stun via his trait
azure bobcat
Yep
Gortak's trait is already super cool
Self-Control Immunity + Area Stun Immunity
little berry
Maybe
Necromancer could have SC: Immune to Instant Death (AoA) or (Blank) Turn Deathcountdown (AoE) (Elvira's SC and NER would shut it down)
Gortak could have: SC 100% Life Shield (AoA)
Barbael: SC DoT (like Sunburn, Ignition or Burn) (AoE)
🤷
fleet oriole
Is Gortak worth getting as a r0
fleet oriole
I’d have to get my ruby to r5
Rank 3/4 Ruby is better than R2 Sherry
And ruby is easier to rank
azure bobcat
Not true ...
fleet oriole
Base stats matter lmao
azure bobcat
Sherezar is faster with a speed of 3575
fleet oriole
R2 Speed
azure bobcat
While Ruby has a speed of 3509
azure bobcat
Well ... Ruby is useless against Monsters with Evasion ...
But Sherezar's Great Dispel can easily remove that ...
- He can do AoE CDA at rank 2
inland trail
R3+ ruby>R4+ sherry
Jazzy mask destroys evasion
inland trail
Also base speed doesn't matter
azure bobcat
But if he doesn't have Jazzy mask ... Then?
inland trail
Then ruby is still better
inland trail
Better control monster
azure bobcat
🤦
fleet oriole
Sherry R2 isn’t as good as ruby
inland trail
More versatile
inland trail
Has more ways of denying
azure bobcat
She only got Stamina Drain ...
fleet oriole
By the time my sherry is R3 my ruby is 130
inland trail
Isn't countered by thetys
azure bobcat
Also Her CDA is for single Enemy ...
inland trail
2 aoe control skills, one of which gives ignition, other gives stamina leak
Aoe 50% stam removal 1 CD (can be extremely annoying), single 100%
Single CDA
Also 2 random effects, meaning she has a very good chance to land megacontrol
fleet oriole
She also does decent damage aswell
Combined with a support sherry it’s op
Can hold CoA and a healing/jazzy mask
inland trail
Sherry is better against skill mirror (remntar) and megataunt (dunn ra)
And against elvira if you don't have a jazzy mask
But (except elvira at lower leagues) you won't be seeing remntar so often, dunn ra maybe, but we still don't see so many of them, considering it was in a maze, most prefer to use samael
fleet oriole
I just run a gorge ngl
Gorg *
I swap in and out Undertaker and gorg
Undertaker has revival + nightmares and stronk aoe
And double shield so double tenacity
stark rain
How to win ragnarok floor 1 last
little berry
Sherry and Ruby shouldnt even be compared in the sentence of who¨s better. Its crystal clear. But its funny reading doh 🤠
which monsters you have raze?
inland trail
Your pfp does give it away you know, you obviosuly like or have a bias towards sherry
I could also say it's crystal clear for ruby
fleet oriole
I think they both have their uses
As a semi f2p player
130 Sherry isn’t obtainable
Since I have ruby and I can rank with elementium and magic cells
For me personally ruby is better
Since I can get her ranked high af
frozen crane
@stark rain im assuming u have koralle and burotgor so just run a control monster
preferably baba yaga
gilded coyote
Ruby with lvl 30 Jasastur Mask solo'd Ragnarok final floor to R4 lol
stark rain
@frozen crane i said first floor not 2nd
stark rain
and they can heal themselves to full
stark rain
it is
tired ginkgo
use double dmg on petro
ember plume
Other team is toast
tired ginkgo
and try to kill rag
stark rain
But how can i kill rag before he self heals
tired ginkgo
u just need to be lucky
fleet oriole
I ran a fairs
Fatid*
Furrius Robin
And Psilotus
Psilotus only had 1 Speed time furrius had no runes
Fatid had ts ts life
With 2 Of the gold armor relics and it was ez pz
Just kept reviving with triple dog
Dmg *
tired ginkgo
how did u have so much dmg
stark rain
Sec
tired ginkgo
edit the abbreviated swear please
stark rain
and i used roastie as main deny 😄
lean latch
guys.. can barbael remove trait from elvira when evasion still active..?
lean latch
oke thanks
inland trail
A good example of countering rag with taunt
stone python
How did you get passed thalassa per and freeze move?
stone python
Lol, was hoping he had a secret
tired ginkgo
inland trail
Best way to beat a thalassa is with your won thalassa lol
No other monsters in her element/books can efficently combat her
stone python
Status Caster block PER will probably come out next on an exclusive
clear shore
@inland trail
Coughs in gorg
Though if she has sx runes and is fully ranked up. I believe no one can go toe to toe with her
nocturne jewel
helo
ember plume
Demo shared a counter team
Koralle,anticipator and frosilika
But if thallasa's ai gets fixed
Get ready to get hecced
little berry
I’d say Mountainsplitter is. Elemental advantage allows him to deal absurd damage against his element, making him easily the best pure damage attacker in Earth wars.
plain niche
hasty dock
Sunbringer and Mountainsplitter are both extremely useful depending on their use, but Mountainsplitter definitely rules wars as an attacker, while the same is true for Sunbringer in PvP
@plain niche depends on how u plan to use him
If u plan to use Talos is the Sun, stamina/ mutants will be a must followed by 2 speed/ 1 speed 1 str, if not, then rune him with 2 str, 1 life
stark rain
@plain niche 
azure bobcat
Hello ...
I want to report something ...
Sherezar's Great Dispel doesn't remove debuffs from allies ...
It removes all effects but debuffs ...
inland trail
Maybe he was possessed? Great dispel is bugged under possession
azure bobcat
Nope ..
He wasn't possessed ...
I used Great Dispel and ...
It didn't remove daze & guard down from my allies ...
But all other statuses were removed ...
fleet oriole
Because that’s a relic effect
misty elm
I have around 4800 orbs. Should I make Ragnarok rank 2 or should I get a new WM and make it rank 1?
azure bobcat
Depends on you ...
stark rain
@fleet oriole stamina leak isnt relic effect 😄
azure bobcat
🤦
neon umbra
I’m going for thalassa as my first warmaster, good choice?
I’ll have enough orbs to get her to r1 hopefully by the time the dungeon comes around again
hasty dock
If u plan on working on her further, yes
If not, then Ragnarok or Elvira might be a better choice
gentle lance
Runes on babari warmaster ....????
gilded coyote
tired ginkgo
or
gilded coyote
low ranks maybe, if you 120 him like you should if you plan on investing in him two strength is overkill and will only hamper your teams overall speed
fleet oriole
I have a questiono
currently atm my monsters arent good enough to beat ragnarok floor 2
as earth is one of my weaker elements
i already have elvira r0 and sherry r1
should i, go for gortak r0 to get more earth cells and then go for ragnarok with the r1 monsters i get from the earth cells from gortak
or should i just work on thalassa or someomne else and leave ragnarok until a later date
(i can get thalassa r0 next rotation and once i get more orbs it'll be r1)
gilded coyote
I'm sure everyone will tell you to jump on the Thalassa train, but if you're weak in earth the Gortak route (who's a phenomenal monster, but would recommend going to R3 at some point) and then into Ragnarok (who needs R1 at least, preferably R2 imo) is your best bet
gilded coyote
Oh floor 2
fleet oriole
r2 would be difficult but maybe a future possibility tbh
gilded coyote
floor 4 for which?
fleet oriole
ragnarok
i have a r3 undertaker
& im gonna get sammy soon
and after that i can just get a breedable up
gilded coyote
I didn't even realize he had a dark floor
fleet oriole
oof it could be metal actually and im just stupi
gilded coyote
he doesn't
fleet oriole
if its metal than thats a big oof
gilded coyote
magic is last floor, metal is before that, fire is before that and then thunder
gilded coyote
swap fire with thunder, I think
fleet oriole
oof
gilded coyote
yea thunder is R1
fleet oriole
ah
i could mayb do that tbh
i thought it was something else
i have marquis r2 which i'd need to rank up
i have sunblast r3
and i can get vanda up i guess
i know queens call is op but that might be a bit difficult
gilded coyote
a good goal to strive for
fleet oriole
so either
Thalassa R1 then and i progressively build up my earth to get Ragnarok R0
or
Gortak R0 then to get earth cells to buff my earth to get ragnarok R0 and then upgrade ragnarok to R1 or R2
magic thicket
thalassa r1 then ragnarok r1 or r2 maybe
minor urchin
Anyone knows what requirements through floor 3 ragnarock?
I mean battle conditions,especially last node
tired ginkgo
Ragnarok floor requirements:
Floor 1: Any Nature, grants 40 cells, costs 800 orbs
Floor 2: Any Earth (Rank 1), grants 60 cells, costs 1500 orbs
Floor 3: Any Thunder (Rank 2), grants 120 cells, costs 2400 orbs
Floor 4: Any Fire (Rank 3), grants 150 cells. costs 3500 orbs
Floor 5: Any Metal (Ranik 4), grants 290 cells, costs 4800 orbs
Floor 6: Any Magic (Rank 5), grants 1100 cells, costs 6750 orbs
serene meteor
minor urchin
Oof
drowsy stream
@minor urchin
If you need the again, go to in-game support, Warmasters, Warmasters-List of Battle conditions
minor urchin
Thank you @drowsy stream
velvet mirage
do I get the cooldowns activated skill for Xiron rank 1
frozen crane
yes
velvet mirage
cool
plucky pilot
How many orbs i need in floor in war masters
Do you have all info about floor warmaster
azure bobcat
2300 ...
800 for the first floor
And 1500 for the 2nd floor
3500 for 3rd Floor
Thats all i know ...
ember plume
Nop
2400 for 3rd floor
3500 for 4th floor
4800 for 5th floor
6750 for 6th floor
azure bobcat
Hmmm ... Ok ..
plucky pilot
Tnx bro
devout ore
👏
candid oasis
she is soo op
if youi dont over speed her you are finished in dungeon unforfunately i lost
frosty remnant
You sure that Pierceid isn't a nemesis
misty elm
Didn't get the key ...
tired ginkgo
whose?
tired ginkgo
wrong channel then
polar valve
I saw a discussion and decided to join
misty elm
Nobody's perfect
noble coral
lol sorry i uploaded a photo here
😂
i didnt read the title i thought i was in ml general chat
shy oracle
@misty elm i am
candid oasis
or use epic monsters to drain her stamina
then go with the charge and destroy pierceid
polar valve
I used dunn ra and then killed her pretty easy
river laurel
All my monsters got obliterated on the 2nd last node
wind summit
Hate to change the topic but should I go for Elvira or Remntar? Can't decide on which for my team, which already consists of Zahra and Necromancer
dark leaf
@wind summit Elvira and Remntar are both good. At R0 I would say you can’t go wrong with either. At higher ranks Remntar will shine a bit more. Being able to refresh aoe skill mirror, and a better trait (special immunity vs blind immunity) makes him solid.
little berry
Hey, don't undersell the Light of Salvation and Warmaster Aura please.
tall topaz
zahra is pretty much a supporter so you'd better go for remntar
necro is also pretty much a supporter / resurrecter
little berry
Elvira can hit harder than Remntar tho.
tired ginkgo
clear shore
Congrats
tall topaz
wow nice
pulsar knot
@Softrock#2872 congrats
misty elm
Ahh, the mother of Zyla 😃 Good job 😃
little berry
And you're right.
sand tartan
Babari had a gender changing surgery confirmed
inland trail
inland trail
Mods big boolis
Less and less channels allow global emotes 
tired ginkgo
😢
misty elm
Mission accomplished 😄
inland trail
tall topaz
solemn brook
little berry
little berry
inland trail
flint mountain
little berry
abstract galleon
which war masters are good at lvl 100? (i have elvira and rag already)
tired ginkgo
rank up rag
little berry
Sherry and Remntar are probably the other two best.
inland trail
Elite monsters aren't really elite though
jade fiber
What’s the best r0 warmaster to get?
inland trail
Elvira
jade fiber
Do you happen to know how many orbs that takes?
tame beacon
2300 orbs for a rank 0 WM 😃
tired ginkgo
2400
Orbs Required For Each Floor For Warmaster
1st floor 20x40 =800
2nd floor 25x60 = 1500
3rd floor 30x80 = 2400
4th floor 35x100=3500
5th floor 40x120=4800
6th floor 45x150=6750
jade fiber
Thanks! I’m just gonna screenshot that lol
After I get Elvira I’ll have 1200 orbs left, should I go for r1 or go for a different warmaster?
tired ginkgo
jade fiber
Thanks!
tame beacon
There are no real plans for bringing out nemesis in a different way I believe, and tagging a random dev probably doesn't help answer that 😄
Not necessarily
Not all devs know the answer to everything, and its very possible they're busy doing their job
jagged walrus
Another possibility is that they don't wanna leak information
dreamy canopy
Taringa is the all knowing
coarse bear
how long will it take to get 5k9 orbs ?
little berry
Long time
tall topaz
probably 5.9k
mossy sorrel
Well be in L4 and it will take less time
little berry
I have WarMaster Barbael
strong bison
He's pretty much trash
little berry
:)
fiery skiff
Who is the third monster? Ragnarok dungeon 2nd floor last node. Theres rag hiroim I think and then I think it's the earth warmaster but I'm not sure.
tired ginkgo
yes,its gorthak
fiery skiff
Alright thank you. Do u remember the runes on them? Lol
tired ginkgo
gimme a moment
fiery skiff
Alright
tired ginkgo
fiery skiff
Yes thank you. Appreciate it
tired ginkgo
fiery skiff
This team was extremely hard for me to beat. So I wanted to try the team out and see if it does pretty good against other elements.
@tired ginkgo did they get buffed?
105 here
tired ginkgo
you realize that is an old video
fiery skiff
That's what I'm saying
tired ginkgo
and yes they did unfortunately
fiery skiff
Did they get buffed
tired ginkgo
elvira used to be level 90
hallow crane
Can't pass that last node for elvira ooffff
hallow crane
😆GG WARMASTER ELVIRA FINALLY COMPLETE
dreamy canopy
Nice
pulsar knot
With all new powerful monsters, warmasters will be outdated I fear 😱
warped cobalt
I have warmaster babari
misty elm
@pulsar knot because SP needs more muneh and OP monsters bring more muneh
cobalt pumice
Wm will always be good
ember plume
@misty elm When you think about it that won't make much sense
As the stronger the op monsters they also outshine the nemeses
Which won't bring them as much money
frozen crane
^
they need to make sure nemesis still have a significant role to play so they can still earn money off of them
idk about before, but almost a third of them rn are currently unused
fiery skiff
I feel Sammy and xiron will be the last to go but theyre still here and theyre gonna be here for a good while. Sammy xiron Faraday warthak llum Talos still all have good use today.
Although I'd advice against the chest. That 50% is not fun
dreamy canopy
Maybe they'll make super nemesis monsters
By maybe I mean 100% they will, once pols stop paying for regular ones
inland trail
Nemeses still destroy most other monsters, even WMs
But the chests are
dreamy canopy
Not really, sammy is prob the only one that isn't really replaceable atm.
The others can be substituted with newer monsters
Like hookuai is a combo of warthak/faraday sort of but not quite as strong as far as attack abilities
little berry
I really don’t think there’s any reason to fear WM’s becoming outclassed any time soon.
dreamy canopy
With monsters like helgudin and pierceid being released so fast, I can see that nemesis
Nemesis/normal gap closing fast
frozen crane
if that gap closes its evident powercreep in the game
as if it werent evident enough already
little berry
Also no, most of the others aren’t replaceable. There may be other Anticipation monsters, but they aren’t in Thunder.
dreamy canopy
Nemesis monsters do provide p2p with a once a month opportunity to get orbs/items
So it is still advantageous long term but idk if it's worth it per say.
inland trail
They can be substitued, but nemesis monsters are still miles ahead @dreamy canopy
Hookai is meh, warthak and faraday are OP
There's a difference between that
pulsar knot
Hookai only trait is great. Skills are meh!
velvet spindle
misty elm
@ember plume but was I wrong? Strong monsters bring money
misty elm
So races don't bring money for SP?
ember plume
Money exclusive monsters bring the money
races do pull in money
but many people can be f2p and get r4s
misty elm
Hardly, but yeah, possible
tired ginkgo
ember plume
and frat is there main source
misty elm
@tired ginkgo It was just one comment, jeez 😄
ember plume
Tyrael chillax or Ill destroy buro bases
Also if they don't make stronger monsters
timerion would still be the meta
misty elm
I use him
ember plume
atleast it's changing
misty elm
@tired ginkgo technically your comment is also off-topic 😄
tired ginkgo
ember plume
2 comments
thats it
I can hold up to 'p2w' base in war
definitely not in pvp tho
ember plume
Pvp is another thing entirely
jade fiber
I need help on this battle, it’s the last one to get elvira
I’ve played it several times and can’t seem to beat it
strange valve
@jade fiber you need higher level monsters and more base.
frozen crane
i used a per (hasai) and a denier (al canine)
per being faster than the denier, but denier faster than both holters and the other metal guy
so that the per can remove the evasion and the denier can follow up with the deny
jade fiber
Is there any way to beat it with my current monsters, like maybe switching runes?
Bc I would like to get Elvira on this rotation
If I ranked up my ragneal, who can remove positive effects, and switched out the globrush would that work?
vagrant valve
i cant advise on the monsters let the pros do that. but u could do something with ur runes and relics too. relics do help alot. i just passed that node last night after 2 days adjusting here and there due to limited nos of light monsters that im having
jade fiber
Ok I’ll see what I have, thanks!
unkempt holly
@jade fiber what other light monsters do you have? Any r2 and above light epics?
You need someone who can remove positive effects like demise or a strong deny.
On the present monsters, life runes won't help on attackers and if they are getting one shotted then put team life on cloud, but avoid if possible.
Also ranked relics such as shield and stam removal would be a great help so that the opponent has to charge the 2nd turn and you can taken em one at a time
jade fiber
@unkempt holly I have some epics but they aren’t fit for the job, I’m ranking my ragneal who can remove positives, and I will change the runes, thanks for the help!
little berry
I used Layth level 105, Solaris 110 & Cloud 105. The last node was fairly difficult but I beat it on like my 4th try.
Layth had (level 4)
Solaris had (level 7)
Cloud had (level 5)
lapis cloak
He better used speed on cloud
lapis cloak
Yeah
lapis cloak
😂
lapis cloak
They said they need my profile which I can't for a reason
gritty remnant
Oh
lapis cloak
This is all I can show them
gritty remnant
U just need to ss ur MP
lapis cloak
Alex said he also wanna see name
gritty remnant
K
gritty remnant
per?
little berry
Yeah he can
little berry
This skill
lapis cloak
🤔
gritty remnant
Wow
autumn valve
little berry
What is the new sherezar attack at lv 105?
Protective Spell - Removes all negative effects from an ally. Applies positive effects' protection and a random positive status effects to one ally. 2CD.
Random buffs' examples: Dodge Area, Evasion, Damage Boost, Double Damage, Triple Damage, Cooldowns' Protection, Skill Mirror, Damage Mirror, Trait Protection and few more. @little berry
tall topaz
little berry
That's incorrect.
tall topaz
read it's commentary
little berry
Ah. Why not edit?
little berry
Does anyone know whether you can finish the 5th floor in Ragnarok dungeon (metal monsters) without a 4 star timerion? I wanna rank up Ragnarok again but don’t have Timmy at 4 star - I’d be using 4 star Flamerion, Gen Holter, Patient Cyber or Baroness.
little berry
Thanks I’ll go for it then - just didn’t wanna waste my orbs.... Awww I wish I had him ranked up! Sure - I’ll borrow him and give him right back lol 😂
inland trail
You'll get metal cells along the way
little berry
Ok. So I need 370 cells to get Cyber up to 4 star - which I can do as I have a ton of metal cells. But Holter is also 3 star - I’ll need to spend war coins to get cells from team shop, but I gave enough. But just wanted to know it was realistic without timerion
stone python
Who's better to take to rank1, elvira, remntar, or barbael? (Have rank 2 of others but don't have enough high ranked monsters to spend orbs on rank 3)
little berry
I’ve heard that last Ragnarok fight is super tough!
little berry
Floor 5 - The metal one is the one I’m on
river aspen
little berry
Thanks @dreamy canopy - worth knowing. I might use the race monster instead then if it’s decent - great! 👍
jade fiber
Best runes for Elvira
fiery skiff
U can legit use anything on her really
I run
But ppl also run
Anything can go on her
fiery skiff
Yeah I've oddly enough seen ppl use stamina
analog fulcrum
Gold rune?
fiery skiff
Yes
steady shuttle
I am trying the kastnide on first flor of Elvira. I am using Demise, Bella ball and Al xanine. I used the move to remive positive effects but it does nit remove them what shalk I do?
What shall I do to get rid of the evasion? Remove positive effecrs does nit work.....
little berry
I have Barbael, Ragnarok, Elvira and Thalassa r1 soon. Should I get a new warmaster or rank one? I don't have the monsters for Thalassa r3.
tall topaz
remntar / Babari / necro
small stag
Hi guys, I feel that for r0 both Ragnarok and Elvira are the best, right? The others are getting their really good skills at later ranks.
I am looking at the WM now I am getting more acces to r1 monsters.
Are r1 monsters with lvl 6 runes enough to clear a 2nd floor?
For example Thalassa. r1 Thetys, Kihaku, Imigbo, Ithiander, will they be good enough to get Thalassa?
Maybe better to ask, what level and runes are the monsters in the last nodes in a WM dungeon Floor 1 and 2?
little berry
Not sure about runes/levels for last node but yeah that should be more than enough for Thalassa. I’d advise against Thalassa however, unless you can get her her ranked up.
small stag
I had a feeling Thalassa was one of the WMs that would excel when ranked up..
I'll keep working on my monsters then, and try for WMs later. Thanks!
little berry
@small stag Elvira's second floor last node had lvl 7 runes and 110 monsters, maybe it's safe to assume the other dungeons have the same?
small stag
Ah I see, probably yes! So probably some r2 monsters of my own will be useful! : )
little berry
R1 monsters will do the trick just fine especially if they are of a good quality.
I made it after only 6 million tries.
tired ginkgo
good luck...
small stag
Ah nice! That is good to hear. Al Canince, Taiga, Kaori, Roci
tired ginkgo
they are very strong
small stag
haha yes I see now!
little berry
That's a screenshot of before I did it.
tired ginkgo
o
little berry
I got Elvira for months now.
little berry
Long story.
@small stag If you have trouble with a node, turn off your wifi and fight. If things turn out good and you win turn the wifi back on but if you lose kill the app and restart so you won't lose your stamina point. 😉
small stag
hahaha excellent!! 😂
little berry
Had to do that a lot 😥
small stag
I use that one for breeding haha
little berry
It doesn't work for breeding, you need an internet connection to start a breed or for crafting a rune.
small stag
To check which one it is.
amber verge
Sherezar or Elvira?
little berry
Depends