i hope getting Zahra is gonna be easy
#monster-discussion
little berry
dreamy rock
Actually, Voytek one shot everyone
little berry
oof
high saddle
Heya guys any ideas like when the Nemesis cells dungeon is coming up??!!!
tame beacon
Nemesis cell dungeons aren't coming back for a long time
misty elm
That "long time" is already over a year ...
tame beacon
I mean a long time is a very wide range 😉
misty elm
That's true, but right now it's like they'll never come back
tame beacon
Possibly not nope
hardy temple
@misty elm it will be here over the weekend.
tall cedar
Nemesis cells dungeon are dormant now. Survival Dungeon is over the weekend @hardy temple😁
hardy temple
Oh cells... I missed that part. 😂
little berry
gratz... nice avatar demo btw 
tall cedar
fleet oriole
nemesis's coming with the nemesis survival?
little berry
Yesh
fleet oriole
im tempted to buy a sammy/warthak/faraday ngl
little berry
The nemesis chests are coming along with the survival dungeon
fleet oriole
i already have a ruby
little berry
Well if you do then I hope you get whichever variant you want 😄
fleet oriole
ahah
which variant is best for each of them?
actually probably not faraday i already have sting + the new race monster
he seems a bit irrelevent now
little berry
For Sammy, either FS or PC, as both are extremely good monsters, FS is more offensive whereas PC is more supportive.
For Warthak I'd say MountainSplitter is the best, but Sunbringer does great at tearing through dark monsters.
fleet oriole
hmm
i'd probably want a PC then
and Warthak is good anyways and then he would also help me when i go to the ragnarok dungeon
misty elm
@hardy temple Hey, don't get my hopes up 😄
serene storm
candid oasis
thalasa is amazing denier best denier in the game currently if you want a good deny monster you should have her but ragnarok is amazing too he is supporter and attacker and single denier although he possess skills that was taken from other warmaster
if you have good amount of orbs get thalasa on r4 or r5
@serene storm
little berry
What of these are best to use for Ragnarok floor 1
little berry
I “cheated” when I did the door one
Floor
I could soon get my first warmaster, Barbael, but everyone is saying that you should get Elvira first. Should i just go for Barbael if i could be able to get him?
brittle hemlock
@little berry If you have progress already then go for him. If you don't have Barbael progress then do elvira.
little berry
I don't have any light monsters that are ranked or that are level 100, i only have one /:
brittle hemlock
Use elementium if you can or use epics eg scorchpeg, skipples @little berry
little berry
Alright, i won't use my orbs on Barbael yet.
hasty dock
Scorchpeg and Skipples are horrible to use these days, u're better off using epics like Kaori and Semargyl if u must
Or, I guess, Esthirel 🤔
serene meteor
wait can you use a rank 2 light monster on the 2nd floor of elvira(rank 1)
little berry
Yes, you can use r2 mons on the r1 floor of wm dungeons.
brittle hemlock
Yes, esthirel is definitely reommended.
serene meteor
but kaori is a must
tribal sluice
What is the best way to get nemesis monsters?
little berry
💰
wide python
thats the only way
fiery skiff
Lol
And it's not even a guaranteed that you'll get it from the chest either so there's that to look forward to as well
frozen zodiac
That llum chest oooo buddy $50 for nothin
plush lance
I got all Llum cells from one chest once a while back. Oooo pure luck but it's become a lot tougher.
fiery skiff
True. I think the first chest you're odds we're pretty good then you started getting less and less nemesis cells all the times after that.
odd temple
What are the odds to get Xiron the Ruby from 50$ Chest? (My first one ever)
silver tulip
unless you're super confident in your luck to pull through, id say just buy sammy chests as all three are pretty good, compared to ruby being good and the other two being a good deal less good
correct me if im wrong on that last statement tho
gentle lance
Monsters for ragnarok dungeon...????
misty elm
Nature and rank 1 Thunder
frozen crane
rank 1 earth*
misty elm
Right, rank 2 Thunder
gentle lance
Second floor ragnarok dungeon... Earth monster...????
little berry
yes
im scared about the last node
anyone have tips
there is a gorthak, ragnarok and hirom
which one should i gp for first
gentle lance
Is there any good earth monster for ragnarok dungeon...???
little berry
baba yaga is decent
im using burg, balor and korriale
idk how to write the last guys name
but the last race monster
gentle lance
I have burtogar, qin, that mountain man,
little berry
guessing mountain man is ourus
little berry
i say use burg for sure as ur attacker
little berry
im going all strenght for the dungeon
gentle lance
Truly... Warmaster dungeon is hard for me...
Elvira dungeon also stuck...
Last race monster is good or sting westclaw...????
echo river
Last race monster
I have Ragnarok
I use burotgor for damage, general atum for support and Balor for deny
ember plume
Don't let hiroim get a turn and kill rag and gortak
rag can revive so kill rag and don't let hiroim get a chance to protect the team
covert hill
How much orbs can you collect in the nemesis dungeon? Does anyone know?
fleet oriole
think i can reach the first orbs with a sammy and a ruby
covert hill
How much orbs is there to collect on this nemesis dungeon?
little berry
@ember plume Thanks for the tips
ember plume
👍
little berry
@covert hill Generally, 1200
candid oasis
how many orbs needed to get floor 6 (r4)
little berry
🤷
candid oasis
r4 and r5 is joined in floor 6
sand coral
misty elm
But you need rank 5 monsters, right?
little berry
@misty elm Correct
covert hill
How many orbs can you collect from thr nemesis dungeon?
misty elm
I mostly get only 500 orbs
covert hill
Okays thanks 😃
little berry
between Zahra, Babari and Remntar who should my fifth warmaster be?
unranked of course
or maybe Thalassa?
i'm stuck lol
or Gortak maybe? im confused as hecc
treezard
oh wait
i already have a r5 treezard
ok i would say
high abyss
remntar
little berry
No to Zahra, idk about Barbari, yes to remntar, yes for thalassa and maybe for gortak
high abyss
surprised you havent already gotten him tbh
little berry
whats special about barbari?
isn't remntar pretty poo poo unttil he gets like r4 or something?
other than his SC
little berry
i just love ur username
high abyss
at 100 i run single target +50% aoe stun, single target attack + self skill mirror, single target + aoe 33% team shield 0 cd and single target + team stamia regen
only downside is that he has no aoe at 100
and ty lol
he also has an aoe 50% shield with a 2 cd i think but i use the 0 cd
the aoe 50% stun is 0 cd too
he has a single target stun as another skill
fiery skiff
Pretty poo poo lol
high abyss
if remntar doesnt seem good to you kramp
get gortak or thalassa
after rag im goin for gortak
little berry
Remntar seems interesting
dreamy rock
Skills are lackluster
Trait is so good though😄
The skill mirror in itself is great
Also his trait, special immunity, which is very annoying to say the least
analog fulcrum
Would roxigon, alcanine, and archknight be able to beat elvira dungeon?
analog fulcrum
@little berry Yes
little berry
Yes u can do it
Make roxigon go first and remove positive effects
Then al Caine goes second and activates cool downs and arch knight will be ur attacker
I used the same team but instead of roxigon I had demise
stoic aspen
Is it worth ranking up thetys, her bg and her let to get thalassa? I don’t have any other ranked up monsters so that would hurt my gem eco
dreamy rock
Theyts I guess
Theyts pet maybe
But Theyts Bodyguard
Heck no
He's kinda bad
You could use breedables
And even strong epics
Like Nautilus and Volray
@stoic aspen
tribal sluice
That's really useful. Cheers
nocturne rover
Should I get Sammy FS ( I have 50 of his cells and I've got a Sammy PC) or should I try getting some other nemesis?
covert hill
When are the orbs for sale offer coming?
covert hill
Okays thanks i know the 50 orbs for 20 gems come in offer regular but, was wondering about the package orbs offers etc
winter river
Also the p2w orbs offers come randomly
But not a great deal
Buying the first 2 offers with 42 gems is better
covert hill
Okays thanks alot
covert hill
Thoughts on Xiron anyone? Nemesis monster
misty elm
👌
silk stump
put nemesis dungeons with cells, give free players chance too, because not everyone has money. be a little fair. Give the chance to everyone, not just the rich.
little berry
this should be in #submit-ideas @silk stump
fiery skiff
Sp is so rude with that 50% chance of getting the monsters cells.
gentle lance
Which warmaster is good after elvira and ragnarok ...????
misty elm
Any 😄
little berry
is nature warmaster good?
little berry
delete message?
little berry
ok
gentle lance
Zehra is bad....????
fiery skiff
Lmao
hasty dock
All the WMs are good even at lvl 100, depending on how u use them 😉
Even the likes of Barbael
little berry
@little berry Zahra is very good if used properly. Artifacts for instance love her. So does her fellow WM Necromancer.
dreamy rock
Zahra is good
Its just that the others are better
little berry
This is my new high score
misty elm
Woah
crystal vigil
It's clearly hedgy who's doing all the work
high abyss
piercing thrust
dusty crystal
🤔 true, them level 3 runes is deadly
misty elm
Is it harder than past dungeons?
misty elm
Okay
high abyss
i just did real badly last time
misty elm
Does the enemy also heal at the start of the battle (for example they defeated my team, but only one monster is left)?
high abyss
no
actually idk
i didnt die and couldnt risk it cuz i only have 2 nemesis
but your team doesnt get res block
only the enemy team
misty elm
🤔
high abyss
i almost lost cuz a metalisha revived a teammate and almost wiped me
high abyss
the worst part is that your monsters only heal if they get a turn in
misty elm
So the opposite then, your team gets blocked, but the enemy can resurrect
high abyss
if your monster doesnt get a turn in
it doesnt heal
they dont heal at the beginning
like a status caster
so u can still get ohko if you arent fast enough
misty elm
Well, I'm not planning on beating the whole thing (not possible), just want to get farther than 33% (my record)
high abyss
i have no idea how i got to 46 with only to nemesis
2 nems*
i think cuz one of the nodes when demise gave double damage to the warrior
he used a team shield instead of his aoe attack
idk how krampus only got to that node tho
little berry
I messed up
I forgot HBG gave my Luci reversed healing and I healed her with Sammy
Lol
high abyss
oof lol
misty elm
little berry
My Sammy being slow as hecc also didn't help much xP
misty elm
It should be at the start
high abyss
yea
i noticed only when i used my turn transfer
that my other sammy only healed when he got his turn
misty elm
Hahahaha ... you serious?
little berry
Would it be better to continue ranking my Sammy FS up to r4 or stop him at r3?
r4 ftw
fiery skiff
Really? Gravedigger can use his resurrection skill but we can't? Nice.
strange dagger
god that thalassa node was heavy @nemesis dungeon 9377 speed
strange dagger
i managed to outspeed her with 9500 ruby and cast mineral blood on her, i won that fight
now waiting for stamina 😄
strange dagger
sammy op 😄
high abyss
i used plague as my TT and use disease as my attacker
ran disease with 2 heal skills since u can res
helped a lot
strange dagger
ruby, plague carrier and faraday discharguer, so far team full healed after that node
hope i can make it
high abyss
what rank?
strange dagger
115, 115, 110
high abyss
ooo nice
strange dagger
yea , im saving up dark cells to rank him
also which is pretty nifty, i love to cast pestilence and then stamina void from faraday with the special weakness on enemies
pretty much 1 shots an enemy of my choice
strange dagger
does the resurrect skill actually work?
high abyss
id say no
or maybe
i use ergot poisoning over ergotoxicosis because ergot poisoning has a 0 cd
and since you have pestilence anyway
strange dagger
not sure if i need it though, only casting pestilence , pain scourge and heal anyways
high abyss
the guaranteed damage dots from ergotox doesnt change mich
strange dagger
yea
high abyss
just higher base damage
fiery skiff
I was able to get to 60% in nemesis dungeons that may be my best. I was literally just relying on luck and trait and them missing really
haughty lance
I just put in my first $50 into monster legends and bought the Samael chest
I got 150 fever scatterer cells, 50 plague carrier, and 50 disease spreader
high abyss
i got 150 plague and 150 disease
little berry
rip
tall cedar
@calm lance
If gortak didn't kill my fs and nadiel with his ults in row, my Sammy pc would have carried through
So I had to use ruby after that🙈
misty elm
and show us the relic
misty elm
Meh, but not bad
tall cedar
@echo dune yea, you shouldn't use any healing relics in last node
Oh sorry. I am mistaken lol. I thought you had healing relics.🙈
stable siren
I have both and I have no idea
Gortak is alright but 105 is not a power spike of any kind
He shines 110+
little berry
gortak is better at r0
misty elm
Thalassa is a denier/support, while Gortak is attacker/support. They are different
stable siren
Of course
onyx patrol
Just completed the final floor of Sherezar dungeon using only a Xiron Ruby and Nereida. It's been a great day 👌
candid oasis
pero 
serene meteor
fRee tO plAY gAME
little berry
Thalassa or Ragnarok?
fiery skiff
Both
little berry
But who to get first?
fiery skiff
Rag
candid oasis
good on 100s ragnarok if 120 sure thalasa
silver tulip
un ranked, its rag thats better, but ranked up, thalassa is much better @little berry
little berry
Thanks I'll go for Ragnarok
calm lance
How do you beat the flamerion node ? In the survival dungeon ?
Since you can’t revive anymore
calm lance
fiery skiff
Lol
high abyss
rip
little berry
what relic do u got?
calm lance
Hahaha nice save
frozen crane
would samael be better as a ts holder or an all speed holder
calm lance
Depends on the level and runes of the monsters you use with him the runes I run are level I run mine x team speed 9health and 7 speed I run sammy #2 as team speed and #3 as full speed
azure dome
Hello ... I think it would be very good in each war to give a percentage of orbs according to league ie L1 120 L2 100 L3 80 L4 50 champion 1 and 2 give 35 compeon 3 and 4 give 25 champion for winning a war this will motivate a lot to the players are on top teams and this could end a bit the problem of teams are created all the time defeating small teams and if lost could give a bonus of 25%
What do you think?
high abyss
terrible idea
too easy to get orbs
and itll make the better players even better
widening the already massive power gap
gentle lance
Barbari or thallasa... Whom should i go for first... ???
And also tell monsters for the dungeons...! Thank u.
tall cedar
Thalassa
calm lance
Thalassa if you can get her to 115 if not then magic or dark 110 or light 100
hasty dock
Solaris' Sword, Nishant's Sword and Nadiel's Staff are the most common relic out of chests these days
Dunno how SP expects us to believe that's RNG
It feels exactly like the old Specials/ Misses era
little berry
😥
ember plume
Just give me uriel and hiroims shield already
little berry
Is Remntar best used at rank 0 ?
ornate oak
Remntar is usable at level 100, yes, if that’s your question.
little berry
he's not best at r0 though
ornate oak
He’s pretty good at 100.
little berry
yes
remote cedar
Anyone have links to where I can find warmaster costs at different ranks?
or know by heart
found it
pinned
So that means if I complete the third floor I get Rank 1 warmaster? it says 120 cells for third floor, right? Im reading right?
Is it better to get one rank 1 wm or two lvl 100 wm
?
between Elvira, Talassa and Rag
I will soon have 3k orbs, so I could take either 2 wm of those three I mentioned or one of them R1
winter river
115+ Thalassa
100 ragnarok (he is also good at 105)
remote cedar
Do the cat 4 skills appear random or in order?
winter river
In order
remote cedar
what about elvira? some say she should be the first one to get?
winter river
She is good but rag is better since there is a lot of monsters That RPE nowadays plus ragnarok is available in a lot of books which allows you to use him multiple times in team war and the anticipation trait is really useful especially with his attacks
remote cedar
Nice. Thanks.
@winter river I will take a while to get Thalassa 115 and I don't have any WM. You think getting Rag and Elvira lvl 100 is the best choice for me?
winter river
Looks cool they both are useful in many situations
remote cedar
If i pair them both together it could get nasty im thinking... Either way, i still need sometime to get to 3k orbs so I should get Rag first then
winter river
I see many defenses using rag with the rainbow build 
and it work great especially paired with neobuki
gentle lance
Is zahra good....????
high abyss
not ideal compared to others wms at 100
but she is good if you compare to normal legends
brittle hemlock
Not even that.
gentle lance
Which monster should i rank up for ragnarok second floor...
Deadwolf, ourus, basthet, qin....
I already have burotgar at lvl 105.
mossy sorrel
@unborn river thalassa obviously
unborn river
Necro?🤔 @mossy sorrel
unborn river
Oh, okay thanks🤗😊
mossy sorrel
@unborn river ur most welcome
tall cedar
Get thalassa only if you are planning to rank her to 115+
mossy sorrel
He have the best unranked one so he should go for the op one now
tall cedar
Slowly rank your water monsters
unborn river
Which one @mossy sorrel?
unborn river
Ohh!
mossy sorrel
@tall cedar elvira
tall cedar
Ikr🙈
mossy sorrel
Lol
unborn river
😅
mossy sorrel
Now don't waste orbs and go for her
unborn river
Ok, guys! I will go for Thalassa now, 😍
mossy sorrel
👍 👌
unborn river
Thanx @mossy sorrel & @tall cedar!
tall cedar
👌
mossy sorrel
Np
quaint hollow
What’s a good team to get Elvira I only have 3 light legends so far - Al K9, Demise and Cloud
Gonna try for Patrion this upcoming event
stark rain
You need ingvars bodyguard if you have low rank monsters
dim hinge
I can’t seem to best the last level of the first floor of the ragnarok dungeon, any tips? I don’t have alot of good nature monsters...
fiery skiff
U think the last level of the first floor is hard wait til second
little berry
lol first floor i has to cheat
i used the death countdown effect
Apha civil is who i used for it
fleet oriole
same
my nature are trash but they should be enough for floor 1 XD
and my earth isnt that bad after the elemental cell changes
little berry
I have a team of Koralle, Ouros, and R3 Eggknock for 2nd floor Ragnarok, stuck on the Greedy Dragon node. I keep getting stuck with stamina problems, ranking up Burotgor while I try to assess a strategy. Any ideas?
little berry
burotgor.should be a warmaster
honest heart
@calm lance
calm lance
wha
mossy sorrel
@little berry no 🚫 hayman should be a wm or nemesis 🤑
little berry
😁
covert hill
Need help lol warmaster ragnarok floor 3 node 30, finding it very hard whats the plan? Or tactics for it? Cus its as tho my monsters dont attack till the 3rd round?
Can only use rank 2 or higher thunder monsters ive got voltaik, francine frank and neobuki
unkempt holly
Who are the other 2 besides raggy?
Since you have volt you have to remove raggy first so I guess start with evasion from neo, set up taunt with Francine and then go on to remove raggy, volt should do the rest likely
I used stormbeard for that node so I could shut raggy off while I KO him
vagrant badge
i defeated that boss using the same team get francine to use the chance instant death move on raggy
spark crow
@little berry I agree Burg should be the earth wm
real wasp
little berry
fiery skiff
Everyone seems to be getting Ragnarok
misty elm
Naturally
fiery skiff
Good thing about nemesis u could enjoy their better skills at earlier levels then these war masters.
misty elm
Not really
They follow the same formula, one skill unlocked every rank in a certain order
fiery skiff
Well idk. I was lucky to get my skills before the whole patching the change skills thing. Although at 110 I was able to get xirons best move that aoe deny thing. But war masters you'd have to rank up to 120 or higher to get the better ones. Or am I wrong?
misty elm
They have all of their skills at 120, but not necessarily the best ones (Necro's best skills are at 110)
115 Warthak (Dark), which setup: or (lvl 10 runes)
gilded coyote
I went with the second one Kihaku, leaning the first but I did that with Helgudin
odd temple
What's your favorite WM
little berry
Babari. Sherezar is cool tho too.
fiery skiff
Francine pretty cool
odd temple
I like Gortak
swift epoch
Gortak sucks
haughty lance
Is there an order you get skills group 4 skills for nemesis? Or is it random when you rank them up
If there is an order what’s the rank 2 skill for Samael Fever
little berry
There's a order for getting sg4 for nemesis & wms
I think Sammys r2 skill is pestilence
Cause his TT is r3
Unless his 100% res was r2 and pesti r1?
swift epoch
100% resurrection is rank 1
then pesti, then the turn transfer
when they were first released, you could have gotten the rank 3 skill at rank 1
with gems
but times have changed
ember plume
high abyss
🍔
tall cedar
You didn't need to use gems to get when it was released. Just you had to get rank 1 and get the extra skill
There was another bug where you could change skills with gems. That was fixed as well
misty elm
@fiery skiff Warmaster Francine?
ornate oak
When they first came out you could have 2 or 3 ranked skills at R0.
My Ruby had Ruby Explosion at 100 long ago.
Same with Sammy. I had Samael Warrior at R0.
misty elm
They had two, but sadly it was patched 😦
fiery skiff
@misty elm Warmaster kihaku?
ornate oak
It was patched, but if you were lucky enough to be one of those people, you kept the skills. It stayed for a while. Just recently I screwed up and swapped my R2 Nadiel aoe skill that deals burn and ignite, and couldn’t get it back. He was one of my Nemesis I got a ranked skill at 0 back then,
fiery skiff
Bruhh I did the same thing lol with fever scatter lost the soldier move with double damage
misty elm
tall cedar
I extracted my main egg and hadn't fed the other egg. So I lost my sg4 skills on nadiel. But I have him r3 now
rich matrix
everyone's getting ragnarok cause hes good but maybe also thanks to koralle
boreal kernel
I like Elvira #broken
fiery skiff
@rich matrix tru
ornate oak
Ragnarok is good because he’s very versatile.
He does, however, pair well with monsters using Taunt.
echo sundial
I’ve been using Elvira with my Koralle cuz you can stick the Light Phobic shield onto him sovthen he takes everything and no damage
ornate oak
What’s the issue Yntec
inland flare
I can’t beat the last battle in the first floor of ragnoroks dungeon
ornate oak
What are you using?
inland flare
R1 talika, Prince charmless and fatid
inland flare
Ragnorok Elvira and osur
ornate oak
Do you have any other Nature monsters I should know about before attempting to help.
Nothing? I’ll have to leave soon.
inland flare
I have both of the nature orks, predagulum who I’m ranking up to rank one now, I’m hatching a treetopog, Sarah, psilotus and lord mindson
ornate oak
Is Psilotus able to battle?
inland flare
Yes
ornate oak
Who goes first in the turn order vs boss Rag
brittle hemlock
Fix them, need all speed 👀
ornate oak
I would personally suggest taking away the single stamina and giving him a speed.
So he can actually go.
brittle hemlock
Strength. Ragnarok has anticipation
ornate oak
Also, Rag has anticipation so that’s why you’re losing
inland flare
Oh
brittle hemlock
🤦
I nearly did it
But I don't have charmless
So I didn't use an ETer
I'm now stuck on the last node of floor 2 instead 😎
ornate oak
Hmm I’m still trying to think
devout ore
Did someone else run charmless in Ragnarok?
ornate oak
Talika, Fatid, and Psilotus. Try those my guy.
inland flare
I’m trying those now
ornate oak
Talika should have speed
winter river
Is R5 Frosilka with 3 lvl 8 speed and R5 nautilus with 2 speed and 1 strength and mud flow with ts all with decent relics beat thalassa last floor?
devout ore
Oh fatid I forgot about him
kind crane
Hmm probs not tbh
devout ore
Is kihaku good to the thalassa dungeon?
devout ore
@little berrythank u not bad after all
echo sundial
I got told Node 20 was hard so I thought I’d struggle with this team but Fatid made it incredibly easy
@kind crane
kind crane
Fair play
echo sundial
Lol
I killed Ragnarok by Furrius dying and then reviving with triple damage to one hit ragnarok
Then Osur and Zahra just kept doing nothing and they just stalled a bit
devout ore
I guess I'm buying fatid then thanks
fleet oriole
xD
devout ore
Ok I won't buy the fatid
hot stream
buy whatever u want 😃
hasty dock
Fatid is actually pretty good if u have a debuff cleaner on ur team / pair him with another resurrector
fleet oriole
^
lapis current
ello lads
i need help deciding on what warmaster to get
well like a ranked up one
which ones are good ranked up
i got ragnorak at 110
and i think i can get barbael to 115
thalassa to 100 only
gortak to 110
barbari to 110
necromancer 100
sherezar 105
elvira 105
metal to 105
which one shud i go for
fiery skiff
Sherezar Elvira or thalassa
lapis current
barbael no good?
fiery skiff
Since there gonna be ranked then sherezar or elvira
Ehh
115 yeah I'm sure. But I never see anyone use him
inland trail
Thalassa is easily the best ranked
inland trail
Sherry isn't that good at 105
fiery skiff
His double precision is really useful
lapis current
i use sherry in my defence team now
sherry wangzhou and charmless
wanna sort of get rid of charmless
inland trail
At 105 rag is the best
fiery skiff
With Sherry fire frog can be secondary denier with his aoe stun
fiery skiff
That or 115
fiery skiff
Lol
tough yew
What is the worst Warmaster?
tough yew
And the best are like Thalassa, Sherezar and Ragnarok?
winter river
Yes
tough yew
👌
winter river
Elvira /necro are still good
fiery skiff
Necro at 100 waste of orbs
brittle hemlock
Not really.
If you manage to take out an enemy attacker (eg Marquis) then you can revive them, give them an extra trn and boom. they're dead
gilded coyote
Necro is quickly losing value
brittle hemlock
@fiery skiff they still die
With Klaatu Verata Niko, he apples:
Resurrection with 1% life
Possession
Double Damage
Cursed Countdown (1 turn, cannot be removed)
and it does not trigger anticipation on either side. Possession missing is miniscule, and recharging is even more so. Even then, that's still going to taunt the enemy.
fiery skiff
Boooooo
brittle hemlock
@fiery skiff ???
fiery skiff
Necro bad
brittle hemlock
Nah. My favourite design and has a unique skillset.
fiery skiff
Samael better version
brittle hemlock
Just because he eats stamina doesn't make him bad
fiery skiff
He doesn't do anything
brittle hemlock
Necro is also free, Samael is locked behind paywall
brittle hemlock
that's like saying Thalassa is bad because she doesn't outspeed Sherezar.
fiery skiff
See u understand
tough yew
All the Warmasters are free, and getting them requires effort, patience, and skill. I much prefer that over a one way ticket (paywall) to getting a monster, as I feel like I actually earned it.
fiery skiff
There not free
If they were everyone would have them
They cost orbs
Which also cost gems and or time
frozen zodiac
Everyone doesn’t have them not because of a pay wall but because it takes a while and the dungeons itself can be hard but there’s a lot of people with warmasters
devout ore
Warmaster Elvira should have celestial instead of bulwark
fiery skiff
Still not free
ember plume
...
fiery skiff
😉
hasty dock
@brittle hemlock Klaatu Verata Niko is one of the riskiest moves to run, and one I quickly removed when my own Necro was lvl 100... More often than not, either the Possession, or the Coundown used to miss, and either can cause an almost won match to go out of hand
devout ore
Oh do I run it on my necro or keep ranking him up
brittle hemlock
It hasn't yet failed me @hasty dock, so I cant agree with you there
little berry
ember plume
And any monster can clear the negative effect
brittle hemlock
You can't clear a one turn dcd
ember plume
For me my kihaku kepped on missing kuzushi (both effects) on opponent
You can
Supporter goes after necro
And the monster is healed of its negative effects
fleet oriole
Kihaku kinda got destroyed after they fixed Katsu and added recently frozen & recently possessed
i only ever use him with sherry now
fleet oriole
nerfed what?
devout ore
Kihaku
They made kuzushi and katsu jinken not effective anymore with recently Frozen and possessed now u use mokuso on between or use Sherry (I included a wm so this will stay on topic)
fleet oriole
lol
i only ever use Kihaku in wars now
or with my sherry
because Katsu + True vision & block pos is insanely strong
little berry
i sometimes use kihaku and babari in wars
hasty dock
Mmmh... Idk if they changed the accuracies
Either way, I used to be tired of either of the two missing on Tough/ Bulwark Nemeses and WMs, so I gave up on it
devout ore
That's why it applies control twice
hasty dock
Oh, I was talking to Isa about Necromancer's "Revive enemy + possess + double dmg move" 😅
Not about Kihaku
candid oasis
@inland trail can we clear thalasa 6 floor with breedable thingies?
fleet oriole
@candid oasis i dont think you can do the entire thing with breedables but i can see R4 being possible
viscid lance
So since this is the elite spot (I’m almost semi-elite)
Tips on getting Belbreath???
The issue is that I only have 16 gems
brittle hemlock
1: she isnt WM or nemesis so this wouldnt go here
2: i dont think you can get her with that.
viscid lance
Oof
little berry
u can do it
try getting the first 2 cell rewards and hope ur teamates can fill the rest
and u can get her from the first 2 chest
btw this server is only for nemesis and warmaster talks
inland trail
@candid oasis I only got enough for R4, used R5 thetys with all speed, R5 ledo with ts andnR5 nanukk with all ovm3 team str
And gold/diamond relics of course, wasn't so diffictult with all that
misty elm
So many people like to use me ...
candid oasis
thanks
little berry
lmaoo
devout ore
Lol
hot stream
for sherezar is the 50% cda with 1 turn cd better to run than the 100% cda with 2 turn cd?
cos I tried to cda a warmaster with the 50% and it missed
misty elm
That's why it's 50%
hot stream
true vision makes it 100%
but ragnarock still has 35% resistance
how does true vision work? at what accuracy does a skill have to be with true vision to land vs anyone?
little berry
true vision-double accuracy
hot stream
thanks didnt know that
peak trellis
Total blind counters it or not?
hot stream
what % hardened is ragnarok? and are all hardened the same %?
frozen zodiac
Total blind I believe will still make you miss
misty elm
As far as I'm aware, CDA is not affected by those traits (it's not a negative effect, it simply activates the cooldowns)
frozen zodiac
True
misty elm
Also the 50% chance to CDA with True Vision is still 50%, because, like I said, it's not a negative effect (I could be totally wrong, though 😃 )
And it looks like Ragnarok is only 20%, because he's Hardened, not Tough
True Vision ignores it, though
hot stream
thanks!
lapis current
any idae
how much fire cells u get from completing each stage of barbael
figured its better to get the cells to rank up my cain
brittle hemlock
@lapis current it's randomised. You could get 2, 3, 4, or four elementium.
misty elm
Just wanted to congratulate to the people who made Thalassa ... She's a very fair monster ...
Like she always starts the battle with full stamina, no matter what she did before in the BG
Yes, our team literally trying to take down a 130 Warmaster base, no success so far
devout ore
Do I unlock all wm or I just get one and rank it up
soft talon
Do you have r3, r4, and r5 Magic and Water monsters?
misty elm
Yeah, you can't just get one and rank it up 😄
ember plume
@misty elm do you have koralle thallasa and anticipator monster?
Demo told me about a strat he used to destroy thal bases
Or instead of thallasa frosilika?
misty elm
I have Korralle (and now Clipeum), multiple Anticipation monsters (Tijen, Necromancer, Marquis), but no Thalassa, neither Frosilka
The only Dodge Area monster I have is Shademoon
ember plume
@misty elm Could go for elvira
And then your attacker might be able to finish them off
fleet oriole
i went for Clipeum
and i got to 70 cells then lost :<
so im praying one of my teamates loses and decides to gift me 10 cells XD
like i have 20 O'Reilyy and Yimburbur cells
misty elm
@ember plume but I used up Elvira before this base 😦
fleet oriole
How do you beat thalassa
radiant granite
u dont lol
fleet oriole
xD
little berry
you don’t; she beats you and you get to see this ugly octopus woman control your entire team repeatedly
little berry
Have Thalassa but faster
hot stream
does gorg counter r3+ thalassa?
little berry
No
high abyss
yeah he does lol
little berry
Two elvrias+ treezard prob
high abyss
freeze immune and shock
and sea hater
thalassa main gimmicks are extra turn and mega freeze
little berry
tru
would Gorg, Kozorg and frosilka be a good team?
the water family
Couldn’t Thalassa just remove the Shock using her remove negative effects + extra turn skill, and then Trait Disable + extra turn Gorg?
little berry
O
But the question was if Gorg himself counters her
Of course you can in a 2v1 scenario
strong bison
Nope
devout ore
How can raggy be real if our eyes aren't real?
fiery skiff
🤔
ornate oak
There’s rarely ever a 1v1 situation, so the can this 1 monster beat this one monster debate never seems to make sense.
When thalassa removes the shock, I believe she still misses her extra turn.
I’d have to check.
ember plume
hmm
hasty dock
Dpends on the mechanics actually. Thalassa's Chosen clears debuffs and then gives the extra turn, so its likely Shock won't stop her at all... Assuming ofc it lands...
fiery skiff
@ornate oak u can do 1v1. Just have like 2 Commons with no runes on the sides. And do your 1v1
tropic inlet
Is elvira dungeon possible with cloud,bella baal and al canine
fiery skiff
Yep
bold marlin
Who,s best to use for necromancer dungeon, stuck on floor one last battle
fiery skiff
Anyone really
fleet oriole
@bold marlin who do you have?
bold marlin
Not many, I have helgudin, jasaster, nox, Dunn ra, darkzgul, countess flawless all level 100 so none ranked yet
hasty dock
Helgudin, Nox and Dunn Ra should make a good team
fleet oriole
definetly
bold marlin
Will try that combo Thankyou
tough yew
My favourite WM dungeons are Necro and Rag
However Necro is the only one I’m doing well at 😂
hasty dock
Alas, Necro is absolutely horrible on defence these days
I remember the time when he used to make sure I stay up in L3
My only 2* WM is now almost worthless on defence ☹️
winter river
There is something called offense u know
inland trail
I'm debating whether I should rank necro now, sammy is just waaaay too superior on both offense and defense now 
misty elm
Same shoes, Necro is ready for rank 2, but maybe I should get a different WM
fiery skiff
Necro even worth it anymore? I got him and he just sits there collecting dust
hasty dock
@winter river I'm not rich enough to get separate monsters for offence AND defence... I'd rather get things which work well enough for both 😉
errant acorn
nemesis vs warmaster
little berry
You talking individual comparisons or just in general?
errant acorn
genral
general*
for fire warmaster
for nature warmaster
for earth i like nemesis
for lightning i like nemesis
for water i like warmaster
for dark i like nemesis
for light i like warmaster
for magic i like nemesis
for metal i like warmaster
but ragnarok is best
fickle acorn
O
little berry
Fire- Barbael
Nature- Nadiel
Earth- Warthak
Thunder- Babari. Could go either way imo tho.
Water- Thalassa
Dark- Sammy
Magic- Sherry
Actually not sure about Metal.
fiery skiff
Talos prolly
inland trail
Talos is much better, and so is faraday, babari is pretty meh
For magic it depends on the situation, ruby is better against those area dodge monsters and against monsters who are immune to a certain control effect (and have good 0 CD skills), while sherry is better against hardened+ monsters
inland trail
Also, light wasn't mentioned there, I'd prefer llum, but I know the vast majority prefer elvira
drowsy stream
Can anyone list the top 3 warmasters at lvl 100 and 105
ember plume
At 100 Elivra(Ik its annoying but most players need it) Sherezar(true vis,cda protection etc) Remntar(skill mirror, special protection)
(I personally like rag at all ranks)
Idk for 105
And the list is debatable
inland trail
Rag is the best at 100, 105 maybe thalassa
ember plume
@inland trail Why do you say talos is a lot better than remntar?
inland trail
Because his skills and trait are better
ember plume
Artifact is better than skill mirror and protection immunity?
inland trail
Remntar's skills are OK, but not so amazing
Skill mirror is a SC, trait is special protection, which can come in handy sometimes, but not good enough to make up for the skills
inland trail
That one is the best denier, IP is a lot better as an attacker
But FA is an amazing attacker too
gilded coyote
I'd say Talos would be better with heavy rune investment, for general use Remntar is better
I'm a Llum fan over Elvira myself, although it depends on who I can have with them
Babari is one of the best options you can have in thunder
at 120
fleet oriole
I have Elvira R0 and sherezar R1 and I’m getting ragnarok next rotation. Who should I go for next?
ornate oak
If possible, try to rank one of them? If your lineup isn’t at that level yet I would personally suggest Thalassa. Reason why is because of her trait, area freeze immunity. She comes in very handy in wars esp seeing as most lower leveled players don’t have good water options other than maybe Kihaku because he was offered so many times.
Thalassa isn’t a bad investment, as you may already know and is likely the best to get next. Earth, Dark, Thunder, Nature, and Fire WM aren’t necessarily the best at 100.
Imo.
fleet oriole
yeah
i can rank sherry if i wanted too
but he's the only one i could rank
These are my monsters
and @ornate oak are you sure about thalassa? when i see a r0 thalassa in pvp its just a free win so i didnt think she was that good unranked
and if i went for her i'd get enough water elementals for r2 kihaku and he'd have a higher speed so wouldn't he be stronger
crystal vigil
pvp isn't everything
wars exist too
And r0 thalassa can sometimes be quite useful there
fleet oriole
but wouldn't a r2 kihaku be stronger than a r0 thalassa in wars?
crystal vigil
I only see a r1 kihaku on your profile
fleet oriole
But if I got thalassa I’d have enough water cells to get him to r2
crystal vigil
Oh ok
fleet oriole
So when if I get thalassa I’d also have the r2 Kihaku
little berry
I’d save orbs to rank Sherry to 110 if you want to go for the best investment possible. You do already have Ruby for Magic though, so he isn’t really needed there especially since Ruby is the better denier even when you get his AOE CDA. If you can get Thalassa to at least 105 I’d say go for it, if you’d be keeping her at 100 though I really don’t think she’s worth it.
fleet oriole
yeah
that was the issue with 110 sherry that i thought
i know he 110 makes him infinitely stronger than 105 but i'm still unsure if a 110 sherezar works better than a 115 ruby. and water is my weakest element so i doubt i'd be able to get 3 r2 waters in the time before the latest sp money grab comes out
fleet oriole
Maybe Barbari?
inland trail
Babari is like the worst WM
gilded coyote
discord never ceases to baffle with it's... ahem intelligence
@fleet oriole Unless you can commit to a 120 Babari I would suggest not him, decent moveset and great trait/status caster but having that trait disable + extra turn at 120 instantly puts him above most attackers
inland trail
He's a solid defensive monster (at 120+) if you don't have faraday, volt will still be better for offense in most cases, and faraday is just a lot better overall
Besides the trait disable (and maybe the water hater skill) his other skills aren't so good, trait is pretty useful, but the SC can definitely get worked around, especially if you have good support monsters
little berry
O
Babari’s a lot of fun but yeah since you can’t get him to 120 there’s probably better options for your account.
devout ore
Babari and Dunn ra
ikr how can he not like the water hater skill
Andrej no maketh the sense
gilded coyote
I don't use that skill
devout ore
So did I but I liked it
gilded coyote
Yea it can be brutal
little berry
Good for fighting Thalassa too if you can ever get a turn in.
inland trail
I never said I don't like the water hater skill
But it's thunder, agagaist other thunder monsters he'll be facing very often it won't do much
inland trail
Also Smaug, I have a 115 faraday and a 130 volt, both better than a 120 babari, so why should I bother with him?
And all these taunt monsters really up the value of volt and his residual damage
mortal bay
Babari is the best thunder monster. And no where near the bottom of wm's
little berry
I mean I never said you specifically should get Babari, but idk all about a 130 Volt and 115 Faraday being better than a 120 Babari.
I think all three have their uses, Volt is good for raw damage against non Anticipation bases (though Zyla’s probably better for that), Faraday of course is great against Volt’s, Zyla’s, and other Thunder monsters if using the Earth variant, and Babari is great for picking off those Faraday and also isn’t bad on defense with his status caster. Up to each individual to decide if based on that whether Babari is worth it for them or not imo.
inland trail
Well, in a volt vs babari situation, prett much everyone has a healing mask, and damage mirror triggers relics, so volt will be able to deal quite a bit of damage potentially even kill some monsters, and as long as you lose coins the defense was successful
While faraday is not as good against babari, he's still got anticipation+tough so will be overall better for the element
There are of course situations where babari might be better, but that doesn't mean he's better overall
plush mason
Ragnorok's dungeon requirements don't change every month do they?
Is it always Nature, Earth Rank 1, Thunder Rank 2, Fire Rank 3... so on and so on?
little berry
I believe so? I might be wrong though.
And yeah, that was my general point that all three have their uses. I’d still take Babari over Volt though any day.
tired ginkgo
if im.not mistaken babari can apply shock so its like a
plush mason
All I know is I keep getting killed by Ragnorok in PVP. Lol. Makes me want him. I just wanted to check that I wasn't ranking this Earth and Thunder monsters for nothing, because dear god that would be frustrating.
little berry
@plush mason - the requirements stay the same
plush mason
Okay awesome. Thanks!
little berry
No worries
inland trail
Yeah but you always hated volt Smag
little berry
True. Still don’t really understand why he’s liked so much tho.
inland trail
Although if I had babari I'd use him whenever I could because he has the best design out of the 3
inland trail
Well, volt kills the whole enemy team in one go and can get around relics/damage or skill mirror with static shocks
You can also get around anticipation monsters who aren't faraday with a jazzy mask
And mutants only up his value....
little berry
How would one rank warmasters in viability?
Yeah, my main thing has been that with Volt he really on has a good damage output with a couple niche’s that help out against relics and taunt. Even then he’s in an element where there’s a VIP was essentially does everything he does, but better. And a Nemesis that hard counters him.
With Babari you’re getting a monster who directly counters his elements Nemesis (albeit at 120) and a monster who can work really well with a lot of different team comps due to his trait. He also doesn’t really have any hard counter in his element either. Like, Faraday directly counters Volt/Zyla and Babari directly counters Faraday, but there’s really no direct counter for Babari. That’s not to say his trait can’t be worked around, but you get the idea.
inland trail
BTW, zyla is not always better, but mutants give her a huge buff too
About what you're saying, I can see what you're getting at, and it makes sence
But not having any direct counters doesn't mean he's better
I guess this would go in the same dierction as ruby vs sherry vs bo tai, one monster directly counters another (bo tai is a hard counter to sherezar, potentially even ruby), but none of them can be called the 'best' magic because who's the best depends on the situation
I kinda think babari and bo tai are in the same positioning here, both are very good, but overall are slightly worse than the other 2 in both their elements, even if they offer direct counters to the monsters who are actually better
little berry
Yeah I get you. Agree to disagree on the specifics but I see your point. Magic dynamic is pretty interesting too.
unreal flume
😀
eager adder
does anyone have lv.100 (no upgrade) xiron the ruby moveset?
I wanna see if it's worth it to get it
fiery skiff
@eager adder
All single enemy skills
Except major exhaustion and control dice I think
candid oasis
@eager adder just get her and save elementium for her to rank then you will see her power
eager adder
which other nemises do you recommend ?
I am thinking about getting 2
Along Xiron
I am trying to reach top 500 in pvp
little berry
Llum the Magical Matriarch.
Talos is also amazing, but he requires a hefty investment. That entails him having his G4, mutated stamina into his runes and a Jasastur's Mask.
inland trail
Or he can be an amazing attacker
little berry
That's what I meant. A super strong attacker that steals traits and stamina away while doing his job 😂
misty kite
Could someone tell me what the rules are at the second floor of ragnarok dungeon?
tired ginkgo
Ragnarok floor requirements:
Floor 1: Any Nature, grants 40 cells, costs 800 orbs
Floor 2: Any Earth (Rank 1), grants 60 cells, costs 1500 orbs
Floor 3: Any Thunder (Rank 2), grants 120 cells, costs 2400 orbs
Floor 4: Any Fire (Rank 3), grants 150 cells. costs 3500 orbs
Floor 5: Any Metal (Ranik 4), grants 290 cells, costs 4800 orbs
Floor 6: Any Magic (Rank 5), grants 1100 cells, costs 6750 orbs
misty kite
I was wondering if there are any specific battle rules in the second floor
I remember all monsters had artifact trait in the second floor of elvira dungeon
tired ginkgo
no they dont
candid oasis
nemesis cell will be amazing
pearl prism
Ragnarok dungeon:
floor 1-nature restriction
node 1-5: immune to burn
node 6-10: evasion
node 11-15: young
node 16-20: random debuff
floor2- earth restriction r1
node 1-5: young
node 6-10: trait disabled
node 11-15: random buff
node 16-20: random debuff
node 21-25: control immunity
floor3- thunder restriction r2
node 1-2:young
node 3-7: control immunity
node 8-12: evasion
node 13-17: random debuff
node 18-22: skill mirror
node 23-27 :trait disabled
node 28-30: random control
floor4- fire restriction r3
node 1-2: young
node 3-7: artifiact
node 8-12: random buff
node 13-17: control immunity
node 18-22: stun
node 23-27: trait disabled
node 28-31:cooldowns activated
node 32-35: random debuff
floor 5- metal restriction r4
node1-2: evasion
node 3-7: artifact
node 8-12: random buff
node 13-17: trait disabled
node 18-22: cooldowns activated
node 23-27: control immunity
node 28-31: stun
node 32-37: random debuff
node 38-40: young
floor 6- magic restriction r5
node 1-2: evasion
node 3-7: control immunity
node 8-12: young
node 13-17: trait disabled
node 18-22: random control
node 23-27: random debuff
node 28-31: skill mirror
node 32-37: artifact
node 38- 42: random buff
node 43- 45: cooldowns activated
@misty kite
misty kite
Thanks a lottt
drowsy stream
Can a Rank 1 Al, Rank 2 Kaori and a Rank 1 Wolftanagan beat Elvira 2nd floor?
little berry
The last node will give you trouble. Especially since your not running and Per (I believe, can Wolftanagan remove positive effects?)