monster-discussion

[dreamy rock]

Yeah
But I mean
If you have Dunn ra he could be worth

[fleet oriole]

If I’m buying the chest

[inland trail]

Sammy

[dreamy rock]

Necro is also good at 100

[inland trail]

Decent

[dreamy rock]

Hmm
The trait though

[inland trail]

Well, depends what are the levels of your other monsters

[kind crane]

Only Elvira n Shezza are good at 100 imo

[inland trail]

Remntar is good on defense too, he'll crash the opponent's game

[dreamy rock]

Get Zahra

[inland trail]

Also gortak>sherezar at 100

[dreamy rock]

Eeeeh

Sherezar is very useful support at 100
And true vision is just too good

[inland trail]

[crystal vigil]

Tbh i really like 100 sherezar for great dispel+master's scroll

Though that is quite situational

CD protection is really neat when DM is a thing in magic and cyber is in undead

And ofc true vision is very useful

[kind crane]

Oh yeah Remntar is probs third best

At r0

[candid oasis]

whom talos version is worth to rank if i use them in nemesis survival dungeon,since i have r2 magic version

[gilded coyote]

Nature Talos mostly due to using the hack against the enemy heavy hitter if you have a main denier

[solemn brook]

does anyone know how to take down the last node of the second dungeon for Warmaster Thellessa?

[small thorn]

Best skill for Sherezar? Is these ok? I have 3 team speed on it.

[little berry]

That's what I'm running on my r0 aswell

[crystal vigil]

Same, i would've used Apprentice's scroll instead of master's but it's currently bugged sooo

[inland trail]

[half bronze]

Whats some good teams for warmaster dungeon.

I have to plan tk get them rgt now. I just wanna set myself up

[silver tulip]

tk? rgt? the keeper?

nvm

@half bronze i would say that you could shoot for remntar

how many orbs do you have

[hot stream]

what makes remntar so good r0? is it the special immunity?

[cinder geyser]

And skill mirror

Stats, shields......

[kind crane]

The special immunity

[half bronze]

@silver tulip 2900

Also what i was saying was: I dont plan to get them rgt now. I just wanna set myself

For those that did the elivra dungeon, would bella bella, rocigon, lux aura be enough? I plan to get a light denier from offers soon

Also, for warmazter ragnarok could any legend be used?

[tall cedar]

Depends on the floor restrictions

[kind crane]

No

[compact gazelle]

Can got free #monster-discussion #vip

[dreamy pier]

Is wm barbael good?

At 100 and 105

[little berry]

Personally I love Barbael, at r0 he's a decent TS holder and the permanent Damage Boost helps my main attacker out alot. His DoTs are also good and since both his Single DoT skills can be "chained" I can always have DoTs on an enemy. Overall he's pretty underwhelming for a WM I'd say, I do wish his trait disable lasted 2 turns instead of one and his form of denial wasn't Total Blind but eh.

[kind crane]

No

[little berry]

gratz

[solemn brook]

Thanks!!

[tall cedar]

Missing out on rank 1😐

[candid oasis]

@tall cedar i also did thalasa,it is becoming hard on several nodes cuz of runes

[tall cedar]

I am poor on orbs lol

[little berry]

who isnt?

[cinder geyser]

Need 1k for rank 3 thallasa

[little berry]

Should I continue ranking Sammy FS to r3 for his TT skill or should I try to get Sammy PC and start ranking him to r3 for his TT skill? Rn my FS is r1.

[ionic tinsel]

Get FS to r3 first

[inland trail]

I need 1k for R4 thalassa

[silent cargo]

f2p

[tall cedar]

Sammy pc>fs

[inland trail]

Yes @silent cargo
But NSD

[silent cargo]

nsd?

[little berry]

nemesis survival dungeon

[kind crane]

Not a chance @tall cedar

Fs better

[tall cedar]

:GWvictoriaNotLikeBlob:

[mortal bay]

😕

[kind crane]

Go away

You broke ya vow

Betrayed me

And now brag about it

[mortal bay]

I named the loose cow for you

[kind crane]

You shoulda named it after me

Just because I’m a legend

[fickle acorn]

[worthy scroll]

I got her rank 5 with 3 epics, just good runes and a couple of good shields

Thinking on going ragnarok now

[nocturne rover]

Lol and I'm here trying to rank up my Gakora

[chrome kestrel]

Whats better, rank 3 Sammy PC (already has the ressurect 100% skill) or Thalassa

[kind crane]

Is Thalassa maxed? 😂

[minor urchin]

Thalassa maxed

[sturdy plank]

got my first nemesis monster samael fever scatterer

[kind crane]

Gratz

[mossy folio]

Would clearing cache 1st b4 attempting to kick start nem dungeon prevent crashes just in case it does happen again

[sturdy plank]

thanks @kind crane

[kind crane]

He’s best nemesis imo

[nocturne rover]

I got a Sammy PC already and 50 cells for FS

Should I risk another chest to get FS?

Single chest btw

[tall cedar]

Nope

[frozen crane]

samael pc is generally better

so id suggest stay with pc

[kind crane]

Fs is much superior

Not worth it tho

[nocturne rover]

How is he superior?

Sammy has 0 stamina tt move

[kind crane]

100% damage increase to warthak is dreamy

[delicate jasper]

I can have yet Ragnarok 😀

[little berry]

yay!!!

[delicate jasper]

I won the Dungeon of earth with slayentaur r4, musu r3 and burotgor r1

[little berry]

burotgor is a god

[delicate jasper]

Is a god when do the damage

[barren arch]

That’s Fantastic news. 👍🏻😃🎇🎆

[pulsar fjord]

Any suggestions to nemesis dungeon?

Traits?

[mortal bay]

?

[tall cedar]

It's all same as last time @pulsar fjord

And Yami posted it in #ml-community-helping-others

[surreal oriole]

If the game crashes during the survival dungeon- any chance they can revive my monsters?

[little berry]

i think they mentioned that this is done automatically

[lapis current]

attempting to celar floor 4 ragnorak with cain and sunblast only

[restive storm]

how can I beat barbael floor 2 last node?

[lapis current]

rng

if u try enough sometimes the circumstanes are just perfect

[pulsar fjord]

Thx got it

I passed thalassa already

Gorthak next

[little berry]

gg!

[pulsar fjord]

Sacreficed my 3 talos against thalasa

[tall cedar]

Lol

All my monsters are alive. Except Sammy PC who got whipped by faraday twice and died

But I had ruby😋

[nocturne rover]

I will soon have Al Canine r1, Bella Baal r1 and A random filler Legenedary at r1.I want to do the Elvira Dungeon since I have enough orbs to do so. The problem is all my monsters are at lvl 50 and I've only got 23M food.(i'm at lvl 57 btw) Should I level up the monsters needed for the Elvira Dungeon to get her? Or is it a bad idea?

[pulsar fjord]

What best against gorthak?

[tall cedar]

Warthak

[pulsar fjord]

With 0cd

[tall cedar]

Yup

[pulsar fjord]

Runes one speed 2 red?

[tall cedar]

👌

Make him bulkier with tenacity shields

[pulsar fjord]

Will use the 3 of them

Yes

[tall cedar]

3 is better

👌

[pulsar fjord]

3 red?

[tall cedar]

3 warthaks

[pulsar fjord]

Ah yes

Sure

[tall cedar]

But be careful, take out gortak and faraday then lucifire

Because Luci has healing mask

[pulsar fjord]

Thxxxx

Will keep in mind

[tall cedar]

👌

And go properly relic ed. I forgot to use healing amulet on Sammy and that's why I lost him

[pulsar fjord]

Yes same with my ruby and the healing mask

Forgot to add it earlier

Learned it the hard way lol

[tall cedar]

😂

[pulsar fjord]

Bb

[lapis current]

lmao ez r2 ragnorak

[high abyss]

my full team of 110 nemesis got 1 hit on node 2 of the nemesis survival dungeon

what is this

[river laurel]

Skill set for Elvira at r0?

[little berry]

🤷

[pulsar fjord]

Nadiel team speed, both bulls one speed 2 red

Node down

[gray cape]

Any recommendation for nature node for ragnarok?

[candid oasis]

fatid, charmless nemestrinus

easy

[gray cape]

Don't have nemestrinus

[candid oasis]

talika

[gray cape]

Nope

Lol

[candid oasis]

pandaken or other teamspeed epic ranked

[gray cape]

I could work with that

Runes you'd recommend?

[candid oasis]

your chamless lvl?

[gray cape]

For charmless and fatid. Bit 110

Both*

[candid oasis]

fatid 1 life 2 team speed

charmless 1 stamina 1 strength 1 speed high

other 3 team speed or 2 teamspeed 1 life

[gray cape]

Alright thanks

[candid oasis]

np

[gray cape]

Just an update, I beat the first floor. Ended up using alces pet for healing and removing pos effects

[river laurel]

Anyone have a skill set for Elvira r0? Much appreciated

[mortal bay]

Protecting light, 50% heal, damage protection, aura of wrath

[river laurel]

@mortal bay Thanks

[little berry]

gg

[pine cosmos]

Anyone got the list of perks for the nemesis dungeon?

[kind crane]

There isn’t many perks tbf

[tame beacon]

they should be in

#ml-community-helping-others 😃

[mint notch]

hm

[steady moss]

This is why the nemesis chests are not worth it...

[little berry]

ouch!!

[dreamy rock]

Hayman is better than any nemesis

[steady moss]

This happend to my friend a nemesis a minute ago, said its too much of a risk what jf you get lostyghost or hayman, he said nope im lucky then this happend

[little berry]

luck has worn off

[steady moss]

Is there any other way to get nemesis other than chests and cave?

[dreamy rock]

Hax

[little berry]

Should I give r0 Warthak The Sunbringer or is that for when he gets a few ranks on him

Rn he has

[frozen crane]

@steady moss its possible to obtain base lucifire from completing certain chapters in the books, but its gonna be very hard and/or tedious

[primal summit]

any advice on which war master I should be grinding for?

[mortal bay]

Elvira r0

Thalassa r5

Ragnarok r3

Necro r2

Sherezar r2

Remntar r0

[tall cedar]

Ragna r1

[lilac lily]

[delicate jasper]

Ragnarok r0
Barbael r0

[short badge]

im about to finish ragnarok's second floor and i want to ask, is the second to last node hard, i know the last one is but i just want to make sure i can beat the dungeon

[dreamy rock]

It is hard

Not the hardest though compared to others
If you haven't done so already, Elvira's is complete torture

@short badgeJust go for Ragnarok first, cuz otherwise he'll just revive his teammates

[brittle hemlock]

Last node of Ragnarok makes my want to cry with how difficult it is

[short badge]

Thanks for the amazing news!

I’m still some orbs short anyway

But I’ll get them this week

[short badge]

i do have a burotgor r1

ill be using a eggknock r3 slayntaur r4 burotgor r1

[nocturne rover]

I woud like to know whether I could beat the Elvira dungeon with Al r1, Bella R1 and Arch Knight R1? Not leveled Up to 105 but only to 100

[little berry]

i believe you can

[nocturne rover]

Is it just your belief? Or is it really possible? 😂

[little berry]

its possibe 😂

[sturdy plank]

this is my nemesis days overview for myself:
got Samael the Fever Scatterer
50x cells nemesis: Xiron the Emerald, Xiron the Quartz and Samael the Disease Spreader
50x cells non-nemesis: Galante and R.O.F.L.

this was my first time attempting to get nemesis monsters fyi

[nocturne rover]

Which chests did you buy?

[main current]

Looks like Sammy and xiron. Lol

[nocturne rover]

And he didn't even get usable non nemesis cells

[fleet oriole]

£48.99 sammy chest worth

?

[little berry]

if u feel yourself lucky today sure

[winter river]

side effect: you'll become p2w

[mossy folio]

Finally

[little berry]

yay

[delicate jasper]

Gg warthak the killer

[cedar wind]

Nice!

What levels do the warmaster dungeons start at? I want to see if I stand a chance with my current team

[median stratus]

I

I got trash

[frozen crane]

thats unlucky

in mine i got 100 of all 3 xirons, 50 timerion, and 50 igursus

[fleet oriole]

wow

thats lucky

[median stratus]

Wow

[frozen crane]

that was the only chest i opened too :p

was about a month ago when i opened that chest

[cedar wind]

And you also got a breedable legend...

[fleet oriole]

i tempted to buy sammys

but idk if 50$ is worth it e.e

[tall cedar]

If you manage to get 2 samaels from them, it is worth

[fleet oriole]

im tempted to risk it o.o

[tall cedar]

Do it

[polar valve]

dont do it

50% is really lame

[kind crane]

Do hydratila

[high abyss]

i opened a sammy super awhile back 150 disease, 150 plague

[nocturne rover]

I opened 3 Sammy single chests and got PC and 50 FS cells

I'm really tempted to buy another single chest to get FS. should I?

[little berry]

I personally wouldn't, but if you do good luck. I brought like 5 Faraday chests and only got 50 Discharger cells the other 4 wasn't even nemesis cells lol

[nocturne rover]

Oof that must have hurt

[little berry]

It did and to add insult to injury I'm 70 out of 80 cells to be able to craft him 😭 sigh

[short badge]

got ragnarok

the last node was not as hard for me as everyone said it was

maybe they didn't have a burotgor

😉

[wanton briar]

Who said it was hard at the first place? 😂😂😂

[drifting cedar]

Hi will there be another nemesis duengeon? The one where you get cells, haven’t been one for sooo long

Or is it something I should give up the hope for

[little berry]

well..you see...

[kind crane]

Give up hope

[drifting cedar]

Yeah I saw that 😦 but that’s not that recent right

[little berry]

i hope will come back...

[drifting cedar]

I mean the nemesis chests are not something i agree with 😅

[little berry]

yeah its not that recent but in the same time thats the most recent news about the dungeons

[drifting cedar]

Yeah you’re right

[little berry]

🤷

[mortal bay]

😭

[little berry]

THE CELL DUNGEONS ARE COMING BACK?

sorry caps

[mortal bay]

No

[little berry]

ohh 12 months ago, noticed too late xd

[steady moss]

Is getting Ragnarok 105 worth it?

[frozen crane]

im pretty sure it isnt

iirc ppl say just get rag to 100

[sturdy plank]

hip hip hooray time to say goodbye to my lifesavings

[tall cedar]

[little berry]

[misty elm]

[sturdy plank]

[delicate jasper]

Gg

[delicate jasper]

My luck

:'c

[little berry]

[misty elm]

Unlock them!

After getting enough gems

[serene meteor]

i can give you 20

oops i cant

[viscid lance]

Next month I’m getting Faraday

[fleet oriole]

e.e

im either gonna get faraday or sammy

[sturdy plank]

ill probs b getting xiron and faraday next month

[little berry]

I hope I can get Faraday Discharger next month only 10 cells off from crafting 😭

Might also pick me up Talos Island Protector or Forgotten Artifact as I only need 50 cells to craft either one

[sturdy plank]

you kno what would be cool... during nemesis days they allow requesting nemesis monster cells

[little berry]

That would be cool

[dusty nymph]

you should vender it

[placid granite]

Got Zion quartz and Ruby as well as Samuel the fever scatterer I plan on getting Faraday next

And got70 cells for ththalessa

Thalessa *

[ionic tinsel]

Don’t you have race monsters?

[placid granite]

I have sunblast, shademoons, neobuki, fatid, cyber patient, and baroness

Those are the race monsters I have

[silver tulip]

have the nemesis chests always had the chance to give normal monster cells? or were there chests that gave just nemesis cells recently

[echo dune]

The chests always had the chance for any legendary monster's cells. Before the silly chests you could buy the version you wanted outright.

[crystal vigil]

the first time the chests came out, the chests said a 50% chance to give random L but it seemed more like 20%. Now they still say 50% chance to give random L but it seems more like 80%.

(obviously an exaggeration but you get the point)

[misty elm]

It all started with the Talos dungeons (with 70% chance) and continued with the Nemesis cell dungeons (the current 50%). Nowadays the only way to get those cells is from the chests and they include breedable legendary cells.

Last time I was extremely lucky and got 3 Nemesis monster from 3 chests, now I did not buy anything.

[steady moss]

Reccomended runes for Ragnarok lvl 100?

[kind crane]

Tssssss

[little berry]

Kaboom

[frozen zodiac]

What does Sherezar get at rank 1

[little berry]

a new skill

[echo sundial]

Nothing useful

Keep sherry at R0 unless u want R1

[real wasp]

Gives a random positive effect to one ally and protects positive effects on that ally

[echo sundial]

His R0 skill set is already great

Nothing worth swapping for a R1

[real wasp]

Mine is r2

[echo sundial]

Cool

[nocturne rover]

When does Sammy get his Samael Warrior skil?

[real wasp]

R3 i think

[kind crane]

Yep

[nocturne rover]

Oof mine's only r1

[high abyss]

level 115

depends which sammy you have though

[nocturne rover]

PC

[high abyss]

o nice

best part is the 0 stamina

[nocturne rover]

Ye it's amazing

[high abyss]

if it gave double damage instead of damage boost

game over hes the best monster ingame

[nocturne rover]

Then he would be evenore broken lol

*even more

[high abyss]

i was gonna get necro because i was like “oh wow samael is gonna be so good in this dungeon”

then i remembered, why do i need necro if i have sammy

and ranking necro for his res skills takes long

[nocturne rover]

😄

Necro does have no cooldown extra turn skill

[high abyss]

and a turn transfer at r1

[nocturne rover]

Ye he's good but I prefer Sammy

[high abyss]

sammy has better support moves

[nocturne rover]

Just bc of his stamina refill and precision extra turn skill

[high abyss]

and also

nemesis dungeons

[nocturne rover]

If you pair Sammy and Elvira up with any extra turn monster it's over

[high abyss]

and that you can make more nemesis with pre-existing nemesis

[nocturne rover]

NSD won't be coming back according to sp

[high abyss]

the survival ones?

well rip free heroic orbs

[nocturne rover]

Yea

[high abyss]

wonder what they are gonna do with nems then

[nocturne rover]

Nono I mean the one where you can get Nem cells

[high abyss]

o lol

yeah i knew dat

[nocturne rover]

Lol even if nsd got removed Nemesis monsters would still be relevant

[high abyss]

yeah

[nocturne rover]

Unlike thr vip monsters

[gilded coyote]

Lord

The nemesis survival dungeons are coming back seemingly monthly

The nemesis cell dungeons are seemingly not coming back ever

[frozen crane]

Nemesis survivals come back whenever the chests come back

[gilded coyote]

Or the chests come back then the nemesis survival dungeon comes back

[little berry]

I don't get why we have nemesis survival dungeons but not nemesis cell dungeons aswell

Like they can co-exist can't they?

[frozen crane]

Becuz sp wants us to obtain our nemesis via money

[silver tulip]

o thanks @echo dune . i was gonna buy a $50 chest, but luckily i didnt lol 😅

[frozen crane]

i mean chests r the only way now to obtain nemesis

aside from caves and the books (where only lucifire is obtainable from there)

[candid oasis]

@gilded coyote SP are greedy never forget...or they do plus and minus things...

[candid oasis]

they promised for nemesis cell dungeon but.....

[serene storm]

How can I get past the warmaster ragnarok dungeon stage 2?

What can I do about rank 1 earth monsters?

[little berry]

idk

what monsters do u use

[serene storm]

Lemme send u a pic

[little berry]

oki

[serene storm]

Or should I try to manage things from the team shop?

I need 3 rank 1 earth monsters, probably legendary.

[little berry]

hmm

get atum

[serene storm]

3 atums?

[little berry]

no

just buy and rank him

[serene storm]

But I need 3 monsters right?

[serene meteor]

i want the rankup with elemental cells to happen already

[serene storm]

I keep'em and Idk why

I have around 200

[native rapids]

I got lv100 Treetopog, hull head, Gen Alces, PetroLoa, Nemestrinus,Shork and Ophichuos I can't defeat Nature Ragnarock last battle plz like your suggestions ty

[kind crane]

Pray

[native rapids]

@little berry can u help me know what's good to be done

[little berry]

sure

[native rapids]

@little berry I wanna nature team for Ragnarock last battle plz check I mentioned my legend above

[little berry]

what nature monsters do u have?

[native rapids]

I got lv100 Treetopog, hull head, Gen Alces, PetroLoa, Nemestrinus,Shork and Ophichuos I can't defeat Nature Ragnarock last battle plz like your suggestions ty @little berry

[wide python]

@main current regarding nemesis chests

[polar valve]

I dont even know why people buy that chest anymore

you are simply encouraging them to continue with that method

[misty elm]

Yes

[vagrant badge]

The chest sucks it's a rip off

There is only a 16.6 % chance of you getting the monster you WANT

[wide python]

that was not the point, the point was if there was really 50% getting a nemesis and it is

[candid oasis]

@wide python it should guarantee to get nemesis cells cuz that is a only way to get nemesis

[wide python]

@candid oasis that was not what the question was about, it was about the fact if the chest gives 50%

what we want it to be is a whole other matter

[candid oasis]

yeah i know

[frozen zodiac]

@serene storm it’s probably to early for you to get a warmaster based on your monsters. Take some time to focus on getting better monsters and don’t expect to get a warmaster all that soon. Your gonna need a lot of elementium and cells to get 3 rank 1 earth monsters and they have to be good enough to actually beat the enemies. A ton of earth monsters use stun so when you fight gortak keep that in mind

[serene storm]

Man I got scared

I was about to sleep

Thank you! :D

[turbid star]

@wide python the point is the nemesis chest should never give us breedable cells. Why pay 50 dollars for something we can get for free. My last chest had 3 packs of breedable cells .

[wide python]

I know and that has been reported

[little berry]

ohh thats bad luck

[turbid star]

I sent a ticket but I got a well pass it along

[wide python]

when did you buy these?

[turbid star]

During. The last nemesis days

[little berry]

a few days ago

[turbid star]

Yes a few days ago

Support was like we're sorry you don't like getting breedable cells we'll pass out to the team

[wide python]

I will ask again about it

we already discussed this hoped it was fixed

[turbid star]

Thank you

[little berry]

"hurr durr I payed for a chest that only has a 50% chance of getting it and I didn't get a nemesis so im gonna say its only a 10%"

come on guys dont complain if you dont get a nemesis

[delicate jasper]

Why dont that chest are 100% némesis monster but the form random

[swift epoch]

cuz SP want the money

[little berry]

its a business strat

ofc they want money

if u bought one of those chest and didn't get what you wanted

you would prolly buy it again

[frozen crane]

^

the chest is meant to play around the natural human trait of greed of always wanting more

which gets players to buy more and more of it regardless

[tall cedar]

the chest shouldnt be 50% chance . it should be like it guarantees 4 packs of nemesis and rest any other(but not breedables)

[frozen zodiac]

The problem with a free game is they need people to spend money to keep the game running. F2P is cool and all but obviously they want you to be p2w and buy these offers so they can, ya know, eat and stuff

[little berry]

@tall cedar are u talking about the 5$ one of 50$ one

5$ one no maybe the $50

but once again sp wont chance it

the chest is made to mess with you guys

so you keep buying them

[tall cedar]

50$ one

[dreamy pier]

I'm still f2p and I enjoy the game without any money...

In fact I never spend money into any games

[little berry]

^

[serene meteor]

I spend maximum a dollar a month on games

[kind crane]

Baller

[wide python]

@peak trellis you can move that whole statement to off topic im deleting it here

[little berry]

ready for elvira dungeon now

[fleet oriole]

ayyye

i have to hope Ingvars BG, Taiga & Semeargl can do it x_x

[nocturne rover]

@little berry Just ranked up mine as well 😁

[little berry]

[nocturne rover]

I heard that They made the last node really hard

[stable siren]

I mean evasion

Bella can skiddadle skidoodle that tho iirc

[little berry]

^

[delicate jasper]

I think that i should go to elvira but also to sherezar

[wanton briar]

Shez will truly work when he is rank 2

I got Shez and at 100 he ain't helping much

[little berry]

sherry is awesome at r2+

[frozen crane]

Let's say i had a team of ______, elvira, and charmless

who would fill the spot better, r3 samael(either fever or plague) or r1 thalassa

assume both have x speed runes

[crystal vigil]

i'd say thalassa deals with anticipation better

[hasty dock]

Not a r1 Thalassa

[crystal vigil]

well, what i'm trying to say by that is if the anticipation monster is mega frozen, if charmless is faster than the anticipation monster, he can use epic quest and hat thrown to possibly kill the anticipation monster
while that won't always work, it's much better than what sammy could do against anticipation

[bleak kiln]

Ragnarock 2ts 1 life? Lvl 100

[real wasp]

I would say rainbow at 100

2ts 1 life when ranked up 110+

[inland trail]

3 ts with atum's armor, 2 ts 1 life without it @bleak kiln

[real wasp]

Idk my opinion tho

[inland trail]

Ragnarok can't deal much damage so str isn't so useful on him

[bleak kiln]

Thanks

[real wasp]

Well okay

Yh thats good

[polar panther]

guys what monsters would we need to beat ragnarok floor 1?

[real wasp]

Floor 1 is nature

Restricted

[stable siren]

Floor 1 is easy

[real wasp]

Floor 2 is earth

Floor 3 thunder

Floor 4 fire

And floor 5 magic

Hope im right

[little berry]

Ragnarok floor requirements:
Floor 1: Any Nature, grants 40 cells, costs 800 orbs
Floor 2: Any Earth (Rank 1), grants 60 cells, costs 1500 orbs
Floor 3: Any Thunder (Rank 2), grants 120 cells, costs 2400 orbs
Floor 4: Any Fire (Rank 3), grants 150 cells. costs 3500 orbs
Floor 5: Any Metal (Ranik 4), grants 290 cells, costs 4800 orbs
Floor 6: Any Magic (Rank 5), grants 1100 cells, costs 6750 orbs

[real wasp]

Oh i forgot floor 6

[polar panther]

oh my badd

I meant

what nature monsters would be good

that are ftp

[little berry]

🤷

charmless zahra fatid and kiridar might work

[polar panther]

alright thanks

loll I thought rag f1 dungeon had all lvl 105's lmao

[little berry]

lol

[real wasp]

Talika, shork, charmless, fatid

These are my best nature monsters

And psilotus too

I would have easy time doing nature dungeons

[polar panther]

thanks

but did they make the rag dungeon harder?

heres and image kaiju posted look at the levels and runes

https://gyazo.com/6ee01ed1c7bca95d28db141ac8f8b429

and here is an image duraggdemon posted

https://gyazo.com/cd20751a3fdbde106bac9ee20e867343

goes from 105-110?

did they buff it or something

[polar panther]

nvm looks like all were buffed

or they were just nerfed to start with

[river laurel]

Hey guys is 1000 or a for a Lv X rune worth it or should I go for Sherezar/Ragnarok (I already have Elvira)

*1k orbs for a Lv X

[tame beacon]

Go for a warmaster, they'll make a bigger difference to you than 2 X runes 😃

[river laurel]

@tame beacon Got it,thanks for the advice 😃

[tame beacon]

No problem, good luck 😃

[silver tulip]

how many orbs does floor 2 and 3 of a WM dungeon cost?

[tame beacon]

floor 2 is 1500 orbs, floor 3 is 2400

[frozen zodiac]

I thought floor 2 was 1300

Oh nvm u right

[little berry]

If I already did 1 node in a Warmaster dungeon floor 1 (5%) would 2.2k orbs be enough for me to get that warmaster or would I still need 2.3k orbs?

[real wasp]

Progress is saved

And every time the dungeon comes back, ull be there on 5%

[little berry]

whats a good moveset & rune set for Necromancer?

for moves im thinking Anima Suctus, Klaatu Verata Niko, Vaporo Coporis & Klaatu Barata Nectar

and for runes im thinking

unranked necro btw

[hasty dock]

@little berry no need to keep either of the Klaatu moves at lvl 100

U're better off with Spiritys instead

Maybe keep the simple enemy resurrection skill, or imo, Crow Cane

I also recommend a instead of at lvl 100

[little berry]

So would Spiritys, Vaporo Coporis, Anima Suctus & Klaatu barata Nectar be a better move set? i dont really see a need for Nebula Corporis since Vaporo Corporis has the Remove negative effect & a extra turn with it.

Maybe Klaatu since its his only AoE skill ?

[little berry]

@little berry If I were you, I'd do Anima Suctus, Vaporo Corporis, Spiritys, Klaatu Verata Niko, where KLV is a situational move; can be helpful though. Can't really remember, as my moveset has been Anima Suctus, Vaporo Corporis, Etereum Volutas and Klaatu Barata for a while now. And, yeah, obvs rainbow 🌈 runes.

[hasty dock]

Keeping the Double dmg + resurrect move can be disastrous in the hands of the A.i, from personal experience

[little berry]

@hasty dock Oh yes, either of the enemy revival skills are garbage on defense

[frozen zodiac]

Does the resurrect an enemy with possession guarantee the possession will hit even with immunity?

[tame beacon]

No. If they're immune to possession, you're just ressurecting them

[frozen zodiac]

But bulwark and tough and stuff doesn’t affect it?

[little berry]

They do.

That's why those skills are so... Meh.

[silver tulip]

for floor 2 of thalassa dungeon, how would cryotan, kihaku and nautilus do?

and what runes set ups? all speed kihaku, team speed health stam cryo, and stam strength teamspeed naut?

[unkempt holly]

Should do with level 6 and up runes, maybe replace the health with ts or speed for cryo's deny build

[devout hedge]

I got gortak

[little berry]

yay

[polar valve]

@silver tulip I did it with that exact team

[silver tulip]

that exact team i mentioned?

@polar valve

[nocturne rover]

This is the team I'm gonna use for the Elvira dungeon. I will level these monsters only to 100 even though they're ranked cuz otherwise my dungeons will become impossible. Also what runes should I put on Bella and Arch Knigh,t?

[little berry]

Arch knight could have / and bella could have the typical attacker set up, 2 strength 1 TS/S. tho you might also could give her 2S to remove positive effects (idk if Al Can, if he does then just use the typical attacker setup, if he cant then thats something that could help.) pretty good team i'd say, the TL on arch is purely for survivability, especially on the last node of floor 2.

[gilded coyote]

I'm excited to get Elvira

Think I can clear the first two floors with this team?

[little berry]

yeah

definitely

[gilded coyote]

[brittle hemlock]

No reason why you shouldn't.

[little berry]

enemies gets ults every node

[dreamy rock]

Are you kidding
That team is bad and you'd be better off with 3 light spirits

[gilded coyote]

😓

[little berry]

is that atums armor on Llum or thetys armor

[gilded coyote]

Atums

[little berry]

all these relics look the same

oh

[dreamy rock]

There's a Theyts Armor?

[gilded coyote]

I wish I was able to get one those relics from warmasters

[little berry]

just realized, a 130 barbael is faster than a 130 Thalassa, so technically speaking, couldn't you use Barbael's TB on Thalassa and then she'll recharge? or is the A.I to smart for that?

also, baby Barbael is adorable as hecc i kinda wish i kept mines as a baby

[high abyss]

burger king

[frozen crane]

thalassa uses her extra turn moves to get rid of the total blind @little berry

the moves miss but she still gets her extra turn

and with her extra turn the total blind goes away

[little berry]

Oh.

Still, Baby Barbael is adorable as hecc

[real wasp]

Barbaels is better as secondary support

With team speed

Cuz no good denial skills

Like sherezar or thalassa

Only tb and trait disabled

[odd temple]

What is best nemesis in your opinion

[kind crane]

Sammy Fs

Surely you’re joking? @real wasp

[hasty dock]

What's the joke? @kind crane

[kind crane]

No good denial is questionable. And he said like Sherezar or Thalassa...

Only trait disable?

[frozen zodiac]

I mean total blind isn’t the usefulness means of denying but a secondary support? He’s got 2 massive damage skills use him as an attacker if ya don’t like him denying

Also in order to get ol necky I’m using a 105 samael fs 105 undertaker and 105 nishants bg should I use a 105 Dunn Ra instead? If so who to replace?

[mortal bay]

Nish BG

[real wasp]

Barbael is all team speed

Case closed

Dont do the smart guy to me

Luke

[pearl prism]

Barbael is anything but a support. He can attack, deny or curse. What he cant do is support. Barbaels skillset makes him one of the most versatile WM imo. He certainly does NOT have to be all team speed at all. He works with all speed or some strength.

[gilded coyote]

I bet you could get some great use with or

, all to mop up any pesky attackers or support that have absurd traits

[mortal bay]

He's the worst warmaster 😂

[little berry]

a ahh

babari is

[gilded coyote]

You clearly don't own Babari

[strong bison]

@gilded coyote you are a big Babari fan 😂

@little berry nope he isn't

He is good

[gilded coyote]

Lol you could say I have first hand knowledge of him

At 120 and fully complete move wise of course

[strong bison]

After war with you

😉

[gilded coyote]

[strong bison]

Why not 130 tho

[gilded coyote]

Just other goals currently, Sherezar hit 110, I need Remntar 110, and Ragnarok 115 (for stats), also am now getting Elvira who will need to be 110

After that I may need Sherry 115 for stats cause with rune guardian my attack team is still messed up, but after that I'm thinking 120 Zahra, I guess 130 just hasn't felt like a need

He would definitely be the first

Killed it lol

[little berry]

@gilded coyote i clearly own babari and he isnt so awesome

[gilded coyote]

I guess get better at the game 🤷

[strong bison]

Majora

Elivra don't have to be 110

[stable siren]

But can be

So why not

[strong bison]

Like she is 90% there for SC

[stable siren]

With 110 she doesn't have to

[gilded coyote]

I just like her 105 and 110 skill, I like her being more then status caster

Plus mine will have Solaris sword and 2 lvl 7 str with health mutations so to boost anticipation (TBG minded)

I'd like Remntar 120 just to recast skill mirror but 110 is fine for PER

[little berry]

Should I give my r3 Sammy FS / or keep him as an attacker with ?

Or should I give him ?

[frozen zodiac]

If ya wanna buff your attacker at the start

Who’s the worst warmaster skill wise no traits into consideration rank 4

[high abyss]

id say zahra

or babari

[little berry]

babari is a bit better than zahra

his aoe trait=her sc

[mortal bay]

Babari is becoming one of the better ones with these extended battles, good relic slots for longer battles and torture immunity trait

[little berry]

i have balts mask on him but he isnt that awesome at rank 0

[mortal bay]

Barbael is just bad and getting worse with each new monster that's being released

Necro is pretty useless now as well

[little berry]

necro is great at r2

[mortal bay]

Ragnarok is in all of his books and is far better

As for dark

Dunn Ra is a better monster

If you can get a wm ranked to 110/115 there's almost no reason to pick Necro over Ragnarok

[little berry]

the dream of f2p players

🤣

[solemn brook]

Any changes needed?

[odd temple]

Looks good even though I don't have any warmasters 🤣

[gilded coyote]

Zahra is already fast approaching more relevancy

If I had to pick a monster that's begun to trail completely it would be Necro, hes essentially there for aoe trait possession immunity

[little berry]

saika can be a little necro if u know what im saying

[gilded coyote]

Barbael was great, but Sunblast blasted him out of his role, that damage boost is still excellent in my humble yet informed opinion

She can indeed

[odd temple]

Well it's in his name. SunBlast. He blasts opponents out of competition

[little berry]

the best thing is that it was the easiest race

[solemn brook]

Any move recommendations?

[unkempt holly]

Change crowd refresh to high pressure fluid , one with extra turn and remove pos effecta

[solemn brook]

you sure?

[high abyss]

yes

thats one of her best moves

even used r4+

[unkempt holly]

I am running that at even r1 and plan to do so until end

[abstract galleon]

which warmasters are good in r0?

[inland trail]

Ragnarok, elvira, gortak, sherezar

[abstract galleon]

ok, thanks!

[high abyss]

dont forget remntar

[crystal vigil]

^

[high abyss]

absolute beast at 100

[frozen crane]

i would replace crowd refresh with high pressure fluid @solemn brook

[little berry]

when my Sammy FS gets to r3 what skills should i run on him? im thinking, Samael Soldier, Pestilence, Death Moratorium and idk what the last one should be. im thinking Smallpox Epidemy but idk

[crystal vigil]

run resurrect for sure

from the first 3 moves it seems like you want him as a support

so you have sammy PC?

[sand coral]

I would definitely run Pain Scourge too if you use him as support

[little berry]

i dont have sammy PC @crystal vigil

[crystal vigil]

then pain and rez for sure, the others can be very flexible

[little berry]

i picked those three cause Samael Soldier is his TT skill so i thought its is must have, Pestilence is for PER and DoTs, Death helped me get out of pickles

so should i get rid of pestilence for pain?

[kind crane]

Smallpox epidemy is a solid skill just because it blinds. Can be really useful

[frozen zodiac]

My hydratilla is only level 100 but has a skill group 4 skill anyway. If I rank him up will I get the next skill group 4 skill in line?

Or will it catch up and get an old skill then hit me with the rank 2 skill when I get it to rank 2

[solemn brook]

hey guys which one should I go for: Warmaster Gortak, Level 105 Necro, or Level 105 Thelessa?

I can't get elvira

[real wasp]

Maybe thalassa

I guess

But for 110

NECRO

[solemn brook]

okay, Goodbye Gortak

[silver tulip]

def thalassa imo

[frozen zodiac]

How about the hydratila question

[silver tulip]

idk

[gilded coyote]

I dunno how your Hydratila would have a group 4 skill

[silver tulip]

what move does it have and which hydratila

[frozen zodiac]

Rift maker and thetys page 32. When nemesis first came out you could snag a skill group 4 at level 100

[silver tulip]

did you get that hydratila when nemesis first came out and that was possible, or just recently?

@frozen zodiac

[frozen zodiac]

First day it was released @silver tulip

[silver tulip]

hmm

i dont have a nemesis

bud id guess that you prob wouldnt get another skill group four skill

[frozen zodiac]

I got 120 earth cells I could use for science but idk if I wanna risk it. Might do it anyway for gortak

[silver tulip]

i mean even if you dont get the skill group 4 skill, you'll still have a better hydratila

stat wise and stuff

[frozen zodiac]

Yea but it’s the worst nemesis but I’ll be ranking it up tomorrow ima find out for myself unless anyone else knows

[gilded coyote]

Riftmaker isnt bad at all

0cd and 0 stamina moves with two denies

[frozen zodiac]

Well 0 reliable denies until ranked up and yea he’s great but other nemesis are just better

[oak wren]

Hi all

[little berry]

thats not a place to say hi

[stable siren]

It always is

[oak wren]

Ok

Srry

[barren arch]

No worries. 😃

[azure rose]

I don't think I can get Elvira smh

I have no rank 1 light control. so I can't.

[little berry]

i have 3 attackers

lol

its easyyyy

i just need orbs

[azure rose]

I have a rank 1 Demise with 3 4 speeds.
Rank 1 rangnael with 5's
Rank 2 Rocigon with ts speed

[gilded coyote]

Snagged that lady today

pumped to hatch her with all 3 slots locked

[little berry]

i use these monsters

[azure rose]

Oh well I don't have a rank one of either

Why even does Holter's Pet have the wrong skills

The only correct one I saw was Awaken Beast

He doesn't have Energy Transfusion or Power Shelter.

[dreamy rock]

He doesn't need those skills to one shot your monsters

[azure rose]

One-shotted two of them

Even with Ragnael's special

[frozen zodiac]

I use this team to get necromancer but I want to use Dunn Ra so who should I replace

[tall cedar]

nbg

[frozen zodiac]

I’m thinking to replace undertaker so Dunn Ra can get evasion

[real wasp]

Upgrade runes

1st

U wont go anywhere with 5-6-7 level runes

[kind crane]

Replace undertaker

[fleet oriole]

tbh

for elvira

u dont need a control

cuz last nodes are artifact

[crystal vigil]

how dare you ignore al canine

[fleet oriole]

lol

y'know what i mean

Demise imo is stronger

since she has a remove pos and tt

but im using taiga ready to hunt then just an aoe or his single 65 dmg

[stable siren]

You don't need a control at all

Just a support

And someone who can deal with positive effects

[frozen zodiac]

I’m sure I’ll be fine with the runes I got Dunn’s got a X life so I ain’t worried

[echo sundial]

Mhm

Hardest node on Elviras dungeon despite the last one is the Bastheet one

Because since it’s artifact if your going in with a budget team the double life slaughters you

[nocturne rover]

Any tips/suggestions on how I should beat this?

[serene meteor]

kill holter first

[nocturne rover]

I get OKHO'd by him

[nocturne rover]

Yaaay beat her dungeon with lvl 100 monsters

[polar valve]

well done

[nocturne rover]

Thnx 😁

Arch knight clutched it for me

[fleet oriole]

guys

final node of elvira dungeon

im using Ingvars BG, Taiga, Demise all 105

running 2 life one speed on ingvars bg, 2 str 1 life on taiga and 3 life on demise for turn order and to keep them alive

[faint beacon]

🤔

[tall cedar]

3 life on demise

[fleet oriole]

XD

current strat is: Skill mirror onto taiga

strength and beyond onto taiga (reflects back to demise), endless celebration on them all to remove evasion + control immunity or any other effects

then i can use Hidden kill to get one to half hp then idk what to do after that

like who should i try to kill first out of all 3 of them

[tall cedar]

i dont think your team is that fast to get taiga a turn

[fleet oriole]

also ingvars bg has a move that gives everyone metal immunity

[tall cedar]

immunity? i thought it was protection

🤔

screenshot your team

[fleet oriole]

o shiet im dumb

its protection

turn order is:

Elvira, Furnace dude, ingvars bg, holters pet, demise taiga

repeat

[tall cedar]

automatronicus must have killed you lol

[fleet oriole]

?

[tall cedar]

that furnace dude

what level strength do you have on taiga

im pretty sure taiga can kill one of them with 2 hits

[fleet oriole]

wish it was rune removal for gold :<

i only have 5s on my taiga but i have X strengths on some other monsters

but i dont have enough gems to swap

[tall cedar]

try killing automtronicus first

and then holter pet

[fleet oriole]

elvira just heals him when i get close to killing

and he applies daze to taiga on his first turn

i might just try and rng it with when light corrupts and just hope for something good omegalul

[tall cedar]

when you give double damage to taiga, use demise's damage boost skill

that removes all negative effects

[fleet oriole]

oo yeah

well

depends on what elvira does

sometimes she gives them the photophobic shield

[tall cedar]

gl

[fleet oriole]

thanks xD

i feel like its gonna be pure rng

and just me hoping for ults

[tall cedar]

what other r1 light do you have

[fleet oriole]

Semeargl XD

actually tbh

he has negate healing & gives weakness to light

🤔

urghh i just got so close with what u said. i got to only sir automous left but i have an idea that might work

[little berry]

@soft talon what monsters do u use?

[soft talon]

Nvm

I beat it

[little berry]

[soft talon]

But, I was using Al, Cloud, and the werewolf Epic

I'm on the last node

[little berry]

u dont have any PER?

[soft talon]

?

[little berry]

possitive effect removal

positive effect removal

[soft talon]

No

[little berry]

oof

rip

it's gonna be hard

true

[soft talon]

I'm all out of attacks

And gems

[little berry]

[soft talon]

My cloud has 3ts

[little berry]

👌

[soft talon]

Ima remove them

And rainbow build him

Temporarily

[little berry]

no

gonna cost you gems

[soft talon]

Ye

[little berry]

and as u said, out of gems

[soft talon]

I'm just going to wait

Until gem dungeon

[little berry]

oki

[soft talon]

Im still trying in the meantime

[little berry]

wake up in the middle of the night to try again and again 😂

[soft talon]

[little berry]

lol

[soft talon]

I was flying through before this

[nocturne rover]

@little berry beat the Elvira dungeon with lvl 100 monsters. Glad I tried bc you said it would be possible

[soft talon]

Lvl 100 monsters?

[nocturne rover]

Yep

[soft talon]

No

You didn't

[nocturne rover]

Ranked but only fed to lvl 100

[little berry]

i had to tell u smth but forgot what @nocturne rover

🤔

[soft talon]

Why?

[little berry]

👏 👏 👏 nice job on getting Elvira @nocturne rover

[soft talon]

Why would you not feed them?

[little berry]

why would you feed them?

[nocturne rover]

Cuz Rn I don't have the food to lvl up all my legendaries monsters to 100

[soft talon]

Watch mw

[nocturne rover]

If I leveled up only 3 monsters to 105, my dungeons would become impossible

[little berry]

buy the step up chests

[nocturne rover]

😂

Amazing value

[little berry]

lol

[nocturne rover]

And thnx Krampus

[soft talon]

The first one is a nice gift tho

250k food

[nocturne rover]

Yeah true. I see it as compensation for the removal of food dungeon

[little berry]

no

this was before

the tragedy

😢

[soft talon]

"Upgrading the food dungeon"

[nocturne rover]

Who even does those dungeons

[little berry]

not me

[soft talon]

Noobs

[nocturne rover]

Not even new players

[fleet oriole]

ayyye

finally got elvira

[little berry]

yayy

[fleet oriole]

did the exact same thing as my other 5000 attempts but i think the AI did something different and i won somehow xd

[little berry]

xD

[fleet oriole]

legit only elvira left vs my 3 monsters and she got her ult

and i almost lost

i would of died

[little berry]

ai>human

((((:

[fleet oriole]

duh

3 Life Demise ftw

[little berry]

why?!

[fleet oriole]

@tall cedar ty for the tips

she died too quickly

after i did per with her they just did phototopic shield so her speed didnt matter rly

[tall cedar]

[fleet oriole]

so i threw life on so then she didnt die

[little berry]

😂

[fleet oriole]

and used skill mirror to get double dmg on taiga + per on all the enemies

[little berry]

3 life demise op plz nerf

[fleet oriole]

yh fite me

i rarely use demise so im just gonna sit and wait for sp to listen to our crys and add rune removal for gold before i fix her

[little berry]

u will die waiting

[nocturne rover]

Yep Same here I gave Arch knight good runes lol

And Bella my lvl 8 strength

[fleet oriole]

i wish i did it when rune removal for gold was here but i just got bored of retrying

[ivory bronze]

I'm unable to beat last node of elvira floor 1 with my grumpex, patrion and al canine. Any tips?

[fleet oriole]

so i had to take my X runes off taiga before i couldnt XD

@ivory bronze send their runes

like a pic of them

[tall cedar]

oof

no per

[little berry]

:(

why does al canine not have speed?

[ivory bronze]

would bella work?

[little berry]

yes

[ivory bronze]

whom to replace?

[tall cedar]

grump

[little berry]

she is a beast, in both senses😏

patrion

[ivory bronze]

have to try when my bella has hatched

[little berry]

oh

u have to rank her too

[ivory bronze]

floor 1 doesn't require ranked

[little berry]

floor 2 does. and if you want elvira you need to beat both floors 1 & 2

but floor 2 does

[ivory bronze]

I could probably do a few nodes in floor 2 with the team I posted

don't have the orbs required to complete floor 2 anyway

[little berry]

next rotations

[candid oasis]

i know the true power of bella baal cuz she is my precious 1st 115 lvl monster i have killed vips,nemesis,warmasters of course...

[fleet oriole]

New Monsters > VIPS

[candid oasis]

really tho

vips become weaklings now

[fleet oriole]

mhm

there quite niche or can be countered so only appear in wars

[gilded coyote]

They're still good, but their availability compared to everything else makes their desirability nil to most

[azure rose]

Problem with doing Elvira is that you have to have someone who removes the evasion form them.
And then you need a control monster

Zyla

[frozen zodiac]

Valgar can remove pos stats

[azure rose]

Yet you have to rank him up

[tame abyss]

or you use nbg to go first and your team mates after all enemys, because nbg has all allies evasion

[frozen zodiac]

True

[tame abyss]

wait no

[frozen zodiac]

Can’t be used for Elvira

[tame abyss]

yea i just noticed that

[azure rose]

How does all health demise work?

Like do all enemies attack her?

[frozen zodiac]

It sounds crazy but it just might work

Actually idk

[azure rose]

I wish the gold-runes taking off was still here

[frozen zodiac]

Absolutley

[azure rose]

Who should I go for next after Elvira?

I already have Barbael.

[tame abyss]

barbael

[little berry]

Sherezar is always a good one to get, Remntar is another good option, I hear Babari is making a comeback due to his SC.

[echo sundial]

@azure rose someone earlier said they used all health demise to beat it

[azure rose]

I have a low gem count but I will try and beat it with 3 health demise

[echo sundial]

And sherezar + Kihaku is great because True Vision + Block POS means you can just spam Katsu

@azure rose the person earlier used demise taiga Ingvars bg

[azure rose]

I'm either going for Sherezar or Necro next.

I don't have Ingvar's BG so rip

Skill mirror would be great there.

[echo sundial]

Mhm

[azure rose]

It's either Ragnael or Roci for the 3rd r1 light

[echo sundial]

They used skill mirror with demises tt to five there taiga strength and then back to demise to remove pos 😂

Roci has remove pos right?

And who are you currently using?

[azure rose]

Currently I'm using Ragnael with 5 dmg, 5 speed, and 5 life.
Roci with ts life, damage, and speed 6.
And Demise with 2 speed 4 and a life 5

[echo sundial]

From when I did the Elvira dungeon it felt like it was just about beating the last node

Everything else was pretty easy

[azure rose]

true

[echo sundial]

And the last node is just about doing a lot of damage to our damage the heal + heat down the high life opponents

[azure rose]

I feel like the last node is too hard for some.

Elvira + 2 metal attackers. against 3 lights. especially when light is weak to metal

[echo sundial]

Meh