monster-discussion

[fresh blaze]

Love it

[noble inlet]

It will be DoT

[fresh blaze]

🤓☝🏽

[noble inlet]

You need him rank 4

I can only get rank 1

[fresh blaze]

Normally I need all at least rank 4 😂

[faint beacon]

😑

How many orb for R4 ?

[fresh blaze]

16000 i think

[faint beacon]

Wait only 3k for last rank :GWsocksAngeryBob:

Need 7.5k than 🤔

I have 1500 gems
I don't think so it enough 🤔

[little berry]

What is the effect curse?
Is it a deny effect or a torture effect?

More like a torture honestly

[worthy scroll]

cursed: removes 10% life and stamina turn 1, 20% on turn 2 and 40% on turn 3 as per a video from Imigbo

ouch that's pretty good

[fickle acorn]

o:

[kind crane]

Did it say what relics it has? @worthy scroll

[noble coral]

Is there magic wm skills out ?!

[little berry]

Yes

[slow imp]

He's trait is so sooo good

[noble coral]

Where do you find it lol

Taringa its not

[slow imp]

I'll dm you

[noble coral]

Oki

What does his trait means?

[polar valve]

dm me as well

[noble inlet]

He seems alright

[little berry]

dm me aswell I want in on the magic wm

[strong bison]

He will kill thassala he will kil thassala he will kill thassala

[polar valve]

send me dm pls

[strong bison]

No we need to counter him not thassala

God thats gonna be hard

[noble inlet]

@polar valve still need dm?

[polar valve]

no, got it

thanks

[noble inlet]

Ok

[strong bison]

Have fun arclord

[cold sequoia]

How do you guys know the moves

Its not in T for magic wm

can someone dm me? pls

[echo sundial]

Honestly I’m kinda happy/upset

Because he doesn’t seem GREAT but I can combine him with ruby and also land 2 controls

[gusty siren]

define GREAT lol

he seems great to me

[echo sundial]

Like I can only get him to 100

If you can make 120 him holy hecc he’s op

[fickle acorn]

I like him honestly.

[echo sundial]

Same

I’m hoping he comes out over Christmas so I can spend the abundance of iTunes gcs I get on orbs

Then I can get 105/110

[fickle acorn]

[cinder geyser]

I expected trait protection

[echo sundial]

He’ll kill thalassa tho so that’s great

I’m gonna pair him with my ruby so I I always hit both controls

And what does it mean by ‘random curse’ ?

[cinder geyser]

Yeah faster but thalassa still can Trait disable him

[echo sundial]

But he can cda on thalassa

:wesmart:

[cinder geyser]

Yeah that's cool
But I think first skill of group 4 is crap

[echo sundial]

Yeah I’d only run 2nd and fourth

[cinder geyser]

He still not official sp can still change him

[strong bison]

I love him

[echo sundial]

I’m gonna get him with my orbs

[strong bison]

He is great

How many do you have?

[echo sundial]

How many orbs do u have?

I’m coming up on 5k atm

[strong bison]

After ranther... 700+-

[echo sundial]

Tho I only started playing again when thalassa came out

Lol

[strong bison]

I got him r1

[echo sundial]

You gonna buy gems?

[strong bison]

I love rantyrt soooo much

Might for the first time is 5 years

[echo sundial]

Oooo

[strong bison]

When i reach lvl 105

3400 gems for 50$ is the best deal possibal

...

[echo sundial]

His move set seems kinda mediocre and I hope some things gets swapped around

[little berry]

Omg jumping up and down

[echo sundial]

Like he has really good skills then a few kinda meh

[strong bison]

I am happy

Cos he will kill thassala

Finaly

[echo sundial]

😄 I’m in Champ 1 and we don’t see many thalassas

[strong bison]

:GWqlabsHyperRage:

[fickle acorn]

Not yet, you don't.

[strong bison]

Trust me you will

Exsept my def lol

[little berry]

Im enrolling for Nostradamus 2.0

[fickle acorn]

Fortune teller.

[little berry]

What does curse do

[wide python]

Good Morning all a see we had to remove a very beautiful picture from the last WarMaster so the discussions can start again 😉

[unreal flume]

where is that picture?!

[wide python]

lol Deleted

[unreal flume]

[narrow cape]

Any info about the new incoming warmaster?

[strong bison]

Yep

[wide python]

So when we discuss a trait or skill please remember that he isnt official yet

[narrow cape]

Is he stronger than xyron ruby?

[wide python]

jasmine I send you the picture

[narrow cape]

Thanks :)

[little berry]

Magic going to 1-hit Thalassa

[unreal flume]

lol non

[little berry]

May be not but I like the trait 🙂

[unreal flume]

and oof
it seems like curse removes 10% life and stamina on first turn, 20% life and stamina on second and 40% life and stamina on third turn?

:DrakeYea:

[little berry]

40% stamina too?

[unreal flume]

thats how my fren says

i asked him where he saw that thou

[cold sequoia]

His trait is decent

But he does not have trait disable move ;-;

[unreal flume]

so what lol

[little berry]

That's the most powerful DOT then

[unreal flume]

he is so balanced now imo

[cold sequoia]

Meaning thalassa is now officially the best WM

[unreal flume]

no changes :DrakeYea:

[echo sundial]

His R1 and R3 are hecc

[cold sequoia]

His r4 skills is the best

compared to any other other wm

[echo sundial]

^

R2 and R4 are great

[cold sequoia]

His last skill group 3 last skill is also one of the best

[little berry]

If curse is as said above, then he's very good at lvl 100

[echo sundial]

Sadly I can only get him to R2 max

Im tempted to swap him to my main speed dude for the cda and have Xiron on ts

[unreal flume]

hm

r1 is not so great

others are nicu

[echo sundial]

R3 is meh

[cold sequoia]

His precision is good

[unreal flume]

Damn now, i gotta use someone other on offense versus him now
Timerion bai bai

its not

[echo sundial]

Nah true vision is great paired with Xiron

[cold sequoia]

No more tough ismacks

[little berry]

Skill at 105 is lackluster

[unreal flume]

it says its 50 special damage to all enemies and cdd to all allies

[cold sequoia]

No his skill group 3 is good

I like the extra turn skill

If you run him firs

[little berry]

Remove positive and negative status effects from allies and enemies eh

[echo sundial]

Hope they buff R1 skill

[strong bison]

Yeah

[cold sequoia]

Now the main question is

[peak flower]

Like pain scourge on Sammy but with extra turn

[cold sequoia]

is he faster than thalassa

[echo sundial]

He seems pretty good yet balanced aside from R1

He is

[strong bison]

@cold sequoia he is

[echo sundial]

Depends on rank tho

[cold sequoia]

how do you know

[strong bison]

If same lvl he is

[little berry]

Is it really like pain scrouge?
Pain scrouge doesn't remove positive effects from allies

[echo sundial]

^

[strong bison]

We have his stauts

[cold sequoia]

does someone has his lore and stats

[strong bison]

Unoffical

[cold sequoia]

Oof

[echo sundial]

He’s good

What’s orb costs and blessings again?

[cold sequoia]

I am expecting a Buff

[strong bison]

Wait a sec and ill sent it

[echo sundial]

Only thing that needs a buff is R1

[cold sequoia]

R1 should be a turn transfer

with the same thing

[strong bison]

Here

@echo sundial

[echo sundial]

Ty

I can get R1 rn basically

I need moreee cuz I want R2

[cold sequoia]

For me r0 is fine

r1 is a waste

[echo sundial]

Yeah

I hope they buff it

I might get 2 R0s

[little berry]

I like her better than Metal

[echo sundial]

Kinda she suits my monsters

Like true vision paired with Xiron

[little berry]

Its very useful

[echo sundial]

Omg and 50% 0cd chance stun

[strong bison]

Oh

[little berry]

Ring in 50% chance skills

[echo sundial]

^

[strong bison]

I didnt think about that

[unreal flume]

you cant get 2 wms tho

[echo sundial]

I meant if different wms

[unreal flume]

lul

[strong bison]

Very intresting

[echo sundial]

E.g Elvira and Magic

[unreal flume]

in my opinion he is pretty balanced
i wish no buffs will be made

he is really good now

not too OP

[echo sundial]

Nah R1 needs changing

Well not needs

[strong bison]

Yup

[unreal flume]

i'd even make thanos as all things should be meme

[echo sundial]

But R1 is useless unless your going for R2

[unreal flume]

it doesnt

[cold sequoia]

His skill group 3 is faantastic for a warmaster

[unreal flume]

maybe a bit, but you dnot have to chose it

[cold sequoia]

probably the best skill group 3 for any wm

[unreal flume]

agree, if curse really does 10,20, and 40% life and stamina removal

[strong bison]

Yep

[unreal flume]

that'd require enemy to use effect cleaner

[cold sequoia]

and precision is the trait

[unreal flume]

i mean just lol wat

[cold sequoia]

so its fantastic

[unreal flume]

and its even guaranteed to hit

:feelsfunnyman:

and you cant cda his team for 3 turns too

not bad really
he could be even more great with good relic slots

[little berry]

Kihaku's katsu jinken

[unreal flume]

gotta go now, will be back i few minutes (i hope)

[little berry]

Firca becomes amazing when paired with Magic WM

50% chance of killing herself becomes 100%

[strong bison]

Lol

And warspellz

[cold sequoia]

Burgator also

[lusty shell]

whatist

he kills others

[little berry]

Burotgor OP with Magic

[lusty shell]

the two orcs will suicide themselves

[strong bison]

And all of those 50% to kill are 100%

They made nox great again

[unreal flume]

lolololol

dont complain in that way lol

[cold sequoia]

OMG even Khihaku xD

[unreal flume]

it should not end up in magic wm getting a buff

btw

double precision means 50% is 100%
so for example, cloud's 0 cd move with 50% stun is 100%
and remntar too

and new magic race mosnter also has 50% chance to stun according to taringa

[tame beacon]

Precision is about the move itself as a whole though isn’t it?

[unreal flume]

dunno
i know if you give precision (50% precision)
chance of stun are 75%, arenth they?

well either have to wait and see, or someone will tell if he 100% knows

[little berry]

This is double precision

[cold sequoia]

its 100$ righr?

100%*

[little berry]

'Precision is doubled'

90 becomes 180

[cold sequoia]

I would actually prefer something else

over cda prot

[little berry]

Glitch + Magic WM

[cold sequoia]

everyone was expecting immune to control as his status caster

[strong bison]

Not me

[ionic tinsel]

Not me

I expected cooldown protection

[strong bison]

So guys what do you think is the best 50% skills?

[mortal bay]

Not bad, so far he looks pretty balanced for Warmaster standards

[strong bison]

I think the new eal guy shock and 50% stun

@mortal bay yep

[tame beacon]

Maybe you can clear up the whole precision thing from above @mortal bay my knowledge is failing and it’s early

[mortal bay]

Thalassa is still better

I'll dm you

[strong bison]

She isnt

He can cd activate her

[mortal bay]

So ?

[strong bison]

So oof

But i also think belbreath is better then both so 😅

[mortal bay]

This new guy has obvious counters, Thalassa doesn't

[ionic tinsel]

Yeah

it counters itself

If it gets buffed I will cry

[strong bison]

On the sec i get belbreath

She is r5

[ionic tinsel]

Lol

belbreath is decent

[strong bison]

Her + ranther...

She is way more then that

[cold sequoia]

The new monster froslika is also a counter

[strong bison]

Nah

She is a bad counter

[cold sequoia]

How is she

she has the nice dodge area

[unreal flume]

"If it gets buffed I will cry"
lol same, dont buff this so balanced please

[little berry]

Skill @105 can be buffed

And still keep her balanced.

[ionic tinsel]

.thats all

[unreal flume]

but doesnt have to

[little berry]

1 random positive effect is so... Random

[strong bison]

Yep

[little berry]

To all allies would be better

[strong bison]

But you can get like 3x dmg

Yeah

But its to random

[little berry]

May not even be worth keeping

[unreal flume]

lol

...

they shuould have made him worst wm, so you guys complain more, and then to buff him to be like he is now

[little berry]

Will you keep 105 skill if you get him to 105?

[strong bison]

I wont

Well nvm

Ill cos i like random

[unreal flume]

non

[little berry]

Probably the only WM whose 105 skill is less preferable than lvl100 skills

[unreal flume]

yeah

still he dont need buffs

you can chose not to run that skill

i mean

his trait is AWESOME

:FeelsFunnyMan:

[little berry]

I just realized that once he hits charmless with the heavy aoe+curse, charmless is dead in 3 turns.
And if he got staff, enemy is pretty much short of stamina most of the battle if he uses oblation staff

Might be worth using him as an attacker?

[unreal flume]

um, dead in 3 turns, if curse is what we think it is

no one confirmed it :SadCat:

[little berry]

I just saw Imigbo's video with youtube's translation and its like what you said..

[kind crane]

I think the only thing they should buff is the 105 skill otherwise no one will bother just ranking it at that

You’ll just settle for lvl 100 or push to 110

[unreal flume]

i cant translate his video

only spanish

lucky you

but then

[little berry]

Youtube has auto translate to english.

[unreal flume]

maybe you can run him as attacker why not

it doesnt for me :SadCat:

[little berry]

🤔

Translation says 10% life& 10% energy 1st turn
20% life, 20% energy 2nd turn
40% life, 40% energy 3rd turn

[unreal flume]

but how

is it on taringa?

it if were

then on others servers, sonnor would give translation

[little berry]

No its what imigbo says. He said it was there in dezcription earlier

[unreal flume]

or even me, i used to translate taringa

oh, well ok then

they might change it, its pretty strong

[little berry]

I hope it stays that way. 70% life and stamina

[unreal flume]

same ^

Shademoon :Kek:

[little berry]

He has it too eh

[unreal flume]

yep

[cold sequoia]

Its human tendency to point out flaws for everything

[unreal flume]

he has guard down+extra turn

^

yeah

[cold sequoia]

its up to the devs to use this to their own adventage

[unreal flume]

but not mine tho

[little berry]

I'm happy with this WM more than the last 2. Its more interesting to me.
I just suggest they buff the 105.everything else is perfect

[unreal flume]

^

[cold sequoia]

Babari was great

Zahra was

emmm

[unreal flume]

also great :Kek:

Remntar was greater

[cold sequoia]

Ye remntar was greater

[unreal flume]

and this one is perfection

[cold sequoia]

Zahra was the great depression

[unreal flume]

:FeelsFunnyMan:

still better tan Barbael :Kek:

[cold sequoia]

true lmao

and he's suppose to be master of control

[unreal flume]

cda,cdd, removing all those effects
and if you force enemies to remove curse, its still somewhat one turn, therefore control :weSmart:

[cold sequoia]

Curse is DOT

100%

And he has 2 extra turn skills in r0

which is fantastic

[unreal flume]

yes

i would not even be suprised if they switch r1 skill for something in sg1,2,3

[cold sequoia]

no no

R1 Is garbage

[unreal flume]

thats why

[cold sequoia]

they should buff it and make it extra turn aswell

or turn transfer

[unreal flume]

:WaitWhat:

or give immune to curse as well

[cold sequoia]

Nah

Well I guess its safe to say that thalassa is now officially the strongest WM followed by magic

[little berry]

Elvira is stronger than magic imo.

I'm not gonna go for the magic WM now, not bad but not good either

Not good? He's very good imo

[fresh blaze]

He is the best imo imagine you never miss again 🙊

[modern gust]

Guys Ive been away

So

Can anyone summarise the magic wm?

[little berry]

I think his trait will bypass blind + daze

[modern gust]

To ae

?

[little berry]

As long as it isn't total blind eh

[modern gust]

So any other info?

How about his skills?

[little berry]

Pretty good. Not op skills. Balanced. Useful skills

[modern gust]

Ok

Thanks

[little berry]

Yw

[little berry]

Still my order is:
Thalassa
Elvira
Remntar
Necromancer / Magic WM
Babari / Barbael
Zahra

[strong bison]

Yep

Not 100% tho

@little berry

[little berry]

At unranked or 105, necro is better than remntar.

[strong bison]

1st turn -10% hp and stam 2nd turn -20% hp and stam 3rd turn -40% hp and stam

@little berry nope

105 ranther is great

Better then necro if used right

[little berry]

The turn transfer skill at 105 is phenomenal

[strong bison]

It is, but overall ranther is better

And he is also tons of fun

[little berry]

He's tuf with his higher skills. I'd say he's better than necro at 120

[strong bison]

At 105

Antcipatiom with mirroir give him and another monster on his team anicipation

And immun to spicel type is insane with nox and other monsters like that

[little berry]

What about immune to possession trait.. Its cool

Pairs nicely with mountains

[noble coral]

Magic Warmaster took the throne and crown ❤☝️

[mortal bay]

Thalassa is still the best

[kind crane]

😂😂😂😂

[polar valve]

agreed

[kind crane]

Whenever I look I see that message

[noble coral]

Thalassa is the worst ordianry water monster at rank0

Her speed is low than magic warmaster at r0

Lol

[kind crane]

Magic is better at r0 for sure

[polar valve]

at r0

[kind crane]

But Thalassa ain’t the worst

[noble coral]

Magic warmaster skill at rank 3,4,5 is insaneee

[kind crane]

Still has a mega freeze skill I swear

[noble coral]

Yes but there are 2 monsters behind me so

[mortal bay]

Pretty sure she also has 3542 speed

[noble coral]

Yes but Magic have 3575 lol

[polar valve]

but then again, thalassa was never best wm at r0

[noble coral]

Yes

[kind crane]

I’d prefer it to Barbael and Zahra

And Necro

[polar valve]

Elvira r0 > any other warmaster r0

[mortal bay]

I'm tempted to still say Elvira is better than the magic wm atm

[kind crane]

I wish it’s 105 skill was decent

[noble coral]

But I said Magic Warmaster was, is and will be the best of all

[mortal bay]

So you were wrong ?

[noble coral]

He can remove positive effect on enemies lol

[kind crane]

Elvira is real underrated ranked up. People just see it’s status caster but it’s skills are nifty

@noble coral attack a 130 thalassa in pvp

[noble coral]

You have to try the magic :)

[mortal bay]

Magic has such obvious counters, Thalassa has virtually none

[noble coral]

Guys wait 2 weeks to try the magic and watch all his skills in group 4 and than talk about whos better, tbh im not saying that thalassa is not good but i just say that she cant get the 👑

[mortal bay]

If the magic wm is released according to what we currently know, he's not touching Thalassa's #1 spot

[polar valve]

what I am saying is that no matter how good MAGIC WM will be, he will be countered easily by literally anyone with faster speed

[noble coral]

Her speed is low compare to Magic

[kind crane]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[noble coral]

Lol bro

[kind crane]

Cba educating 😂

[mortal bay]

If speed is your main point, then you're lost

[noble coral]

Speed is key dude

[polar valve]

keep in mind we are talking about an unreleased monster

[kind crane]

Trait disable these days is nifty

[noble coral]

Yes

[polar valve]

indeed

[noble coral]

Magic Warmaster+ Thalassa+Elivra/Necro/Gortak? Lol

Unstoppable

[polar valve]

Elivra lol

[kind crane]

10 points for creativity

[noble coral]

Ty

I just need to know is Thalassa Thety's mother or Frosilka is Thety's mothers, becuase they both are queen

😆

[slow imp]

Frosilka is not a queen...when did that come from

[drowsy jackal]

I'm sorry to disapoint you guys who are so hyped for the Magic WM but, he isn't that great imo. Stats are good, but he's a TS holder at Lvl 100. He's a true deny at Lvl 130. His Status Caster is decent and it counters Timerion. But overall, i'm not impressed. And yet again, i'm sorry if i disapointed you with this little sneak peek of the Magic Wm.

[noble coral]

I dont even know what is Ture vision 🤔

True

[drowsy jackal]

It doubles your accuracy of your skills which means you most likely will apply negative effects againts monsters with Bulwark, Tough etc. So pretty much like a second status caster but it lasts forever.

[mortal bay]

(Ignores traits such as hardened, tough and bulwark)

[gilded coyote]

Phenomenal trait

[mortal bay]

Doubles accuracy

[kind crane]

I think it’s just it’s 105 skill that needs sorting out

[mortal bay]

50% moves are actually 100%

[kind crane]

Other than it’s a solid wm

[gilded coyote]

yea 105 skill sounds like a skill group 2 move

[kind crane]

Definitely doesn’t need more for its 100 skills. Otherwise would be too good

[gilded coyote]

or skill group 3 on panda clause

[kind crane]

I’d be surprised if they don’t improve that one skill

[gilded coyote]

I don't think I'd rely on him too much for control until he's 130

sorry 120

[kind crane]

His last skill is awesome tho

[gilded coyote]

yes that's exactly why

[kind crane]

And even at 110 has cda I think

[gilded coyote]

Yea that's not bad, but I always get special'd in the face when I CDA lol, still a solid deny

He has more utility then Xiron but I don't think he's better at controlling then him

He's way faster I believe? Or at least it's believed to be since we have no official info

[mortal bay]

Apparently 3575

[gilded coyote]

Super solid then on that front

I mean Mercurious still will get him

however you spell it

[drowsy jackal]

Faster than Thalassa i think.

[mortal bay]

Thalassa 3542

[gilded coyote]

by 33 points or so

[drowsy jackal]

Yeah, but Thalassa still holds the number one spot.

[kind crane]

I’d be super fascinated if it’s released next week

[mortal bay]

Such a small difference in base speed means practically nothing

[gilded coyote]

Indeed

[kind crane]

I’d of thought week after but with nem dungeons and skills out. I ain’t sure

[mortal bay]

I think it'll come out next week Saturday

[gilded coyote]

When X's run rampant you need just one more TS at the top otherwise 33 speed and not having the runes isn't gonna help you

[kind crane]

You going for it Yami?

[mortal bay]

No chance

[kind crane]

Broke? 😂

[mortal bay]

Nah

I don't have Thalassa

Well yeah I'm a bit broke

But that's not the main reason haha

[gilded coyote]

I really wanted an accuracy up skill in a warmaster, but he won't outperform my Xiron nor make it in my defense, sad

[kind crane]

See I’m thinking of going for Thalassa but then it’s like I’m joining the group 😂

[mortal bay]

This guy is better for me than the wm

[gilded coyote]

And more easily ranked

[kind crane]

Wm has that curse tho

[mortal bay]

Wm also costs £300

That dude is gonna cost me like £50

For 130

[kind crane]

Yeah ain’t cheap is it haha

[mortal bay]

If that guy is the next race monster

I'm not sure

[kind crane]

My magic and water are my weakest. So kinda torn

[mortal bay]

Magic is my worst element, but idrc

[kind crane]

But for a cheap guy like me the 2 Xs I’ll get is hard to pass up

Might just get it at 100 then go for Thalassa 105

[little berry]

Elvira > Magic WM

So according to Shademooon's special, curse lasts for 1 turn, but says effect doubles in next turn?
That doesn't make sense

[mortal bay]

The first tick lasts 1 turn

The second tick will be counted as a new effect

And so on

[little berry]

Oh. So how many turns does it last

[mortal bay]

Forever?

[tall cedar]

Yami

[mortal bay]

Demo

[tall cedar]

#bugs-reporting 😂 😂 😂

[cold sequoia]

@little berry sadly no

the magic wm is better than elvira

[inland kelp]

I'm just gonna be happy with getting Barbeal

[cold sequoia]

No offence

but Barbael is THE worst wm

[inland kelp]

So idc lol

[little berry]

I also got Barbael and I don't really regret it.

[inland kelp]

At least i got a wm

[little berry]

I'm getting Elvira next.

[cold sequoia]

Its fine getting him

but my opinion is to prioritize the better ones

[inland trail]

Magic WM better than elvira

[cold sequoia]

Ye it is

He has AOE remove positive effect and extra turn

[inland trail]

So?

[cold sequoia]

and a deny skill

[little berry]

Is he good unranked? I probably won't be able to rank him

[cold sequoia]

Ye he has the best move sets for a unranked wm

[inland trail]

So you're saying because he counters elvira he's better? No offense, but that logic is just wrong

Yeah, pretty good at 100

[cold sequoia]

He counters a lot

[little berry]

Hmm I might get him then.

[inland trail]

And elvira counters more...

[inland kelp]

Tbh, I'll be happy I'm at least getting a wm

[inland trail]

The WM status doesn't make a monster good

[cold sequoia]

Elvira is slowly going out of the meta with almost all monster running remove positive effect

think practically

[inland trail]

Well, have fun dealing with a 6 ts thalassa and elvira base...

Or ruby

[cold sequoia]

Ruby is slower than the magic wm

so I don't see the problem

and he has x2 acc

[inland trail]

That doesn't matter

[cold sequoia]

so any tough or bulwark won't work

[inland trail]

Yeah, but with recently controlled in play the enemy can easily turn it around

[cold sequoia]

He has AOE CDA and AOE random control

whats the problem with that?

[inland trail]

That trait is not as powerful as it seems

[cold sequoia]

Ye his CDA protection is garbage

but his skills are pretty good

except r1 and r3

r1 is trash

[inland trail]

Nothing, that's good, but there are better monsters, skills are OK I guess, 5th best WM for me

[cold sequoia]

I am pretty sure you guys are comparing him to thalassa

thats why you find him dissapointing

Now if you compare it to Zahra

you will feel a lot better

[inland trail]

Lol

True though

[little berry]

@cold sequoia Not really sadly, I wanted the Magic WM to be better than Elvira, but it's not as good. :( Now I have to rank Al Canine and Ingvar's BG.

[inland trail]

Al is great

[little berry]

Yeah he is.

But his cells are never in the shop.

[cold sequoia]

hmm

I find his skills pretty nice

status caster should be immune to control for 2T

[little berry]

They're ok.

I kinda agree, immune to CD activate is disappointing imo.

Not finalised yet tho.

Anyways Elvira looks better as well lol

[noble coral]

He is soo good at rank 4

[cold sequoia]

Not the best tho

maybe if they made his mouth not stick out like that

then he would look better

[noble coral]

I like those skills on him: applies random torture to all enemies, random control to all targets, random positive effect to all allies or one ally dunno, actives all cooldowns to all targets, and restore all cooldowns to all allies

Those 3 skills makes him Insane hard

[cold sequoia]

random torture ain't great

but control is

[noble coral]

Yeah lol but is good ;)

[inland trail]

Random positive is trash though

[cold sequoia]

^

[noble coral]

But is hard to get nowadays

[cold sequoia]

what do you mean hard to get nowadays

[noble coral]

I mean no any new monsters has to give random positive effect to all targets

[inland trail]

Yeah, but random positive

[noble coral]

XD

I m not saying that Thalsassa is worst, she is the best monster in the game which counters everyone on front of her, but the speed is problem you have to play first to win, i Like her to compare with magic warmaster, elvira/remntar/babari/zahra they will make nice team

[cold sequoia]

Lmao

Thalassa has reached the peak

[noble coral]

😉

[cold sequoia]

and it now officially the strongest monster and warmaster in the game

[noble coral]

Her speed is 3542 and magic is 3575 lol

[cold sequoia]

it was samuel before elvira

and elvira before thalassa

The speed doesn't matter

thalassa is a counter for every monster in the game

aka thetys mom

[noble coral]

Yes but only activation cooldowns beat her lel

[inland trail]

Sammy>thalassa

And elvira was never close to sammy, let alone better

[misty elm]

Am I the only one who think this Magc WM is just a Dungeon Master clone (in skills)?

[mortal bay]

Thalassa is easily better than the magic dude

[inland trail]

They shouldn't even be compared

[noble coral]

All Warmaster are better

But magic is my favourite i cant say he is trash

[cold sequoia]

My got these sammy lovers

need to stop

SAMMY IS DED

Soul hugger ripped him off

and he is slower than thalassa

[inland trail]

Only sure counter I can think of for thalassa is a tijen/elvira combo, thalassa can't trait disable tijen right away, so tijen will drain stamina (most thalassas are ranked ran with a supercharged amulet) or CDA

[cold sequoia]

but Comparing a support to denier is dumb

[mortal bay]

You're not very smart if you don't know how to compare how good a monster is regardless of the role they fill

[cold sequoia]

No its dumb if you see it like that

[inland trail]

Samael is still the best in the game, which is why all these 'counters' are being released
But they can't even counter him

[cold sequoia]

tech soul hugger is a direct one

but the tt is still there]

@inland trail so thus thalassa

does*

WAIT A MIN

why am i defending thetys mom

chuck that

samuel is better

[inland trail]

Samael often has and tenacity, and damage reducing effects, so soul hugger will have a hard time

[little berry]

Doesn't Lady Solaris counter Sammy tho? With her winged hater and spirit hater?

[inland trail]

Thalassa is only counter on offense, at R4+ and not everyone knows how to use her correctly

[cold sequoia]

I actually feel like SP is running out of ideas

[little berry]

Thalassa and Elvira are OP.

[cold sequoia]

like the trait these days just makes me feel sad

[inland trail]

@little berry just because they can kill him doesn't make them counters

[cold sequoia]

Not sure about elvira

elvira tech can't do anything without other monster

and almost every single one of them

runs remove positive

[little berry]

She has hard hitting moves, and plus, how many teams have just 1 monster?

[cold sequoia]

I am talking about if she''s the only one left

[inland trail]

If you're using the logic that being able to kill a monster = counter, then voltaik zyla and charmless counter almost everything in the game

[cold sequoia]

after her evasion runs out

she just becomes one of those normal monster

[little berry]

So, isn't that the same with almost any denier?

[inland trail]

It is

[little berry]

They aren't meant to be alone.

[cold sequoia]

some denier can apply again

[inland trail]

Deniers by themselves can't do anything, except ruby who has ignition

[little berry]

Yeah but with no other they'll lose anyways.

[cold sequoia]

like thetys mom

[little berry]

Exactly @inland trail

[cold sequoia]

oof

[inland trail]

Are you seriously expecting to deny for 50 turns?

[cold sequoia]

I am just trying to prove a point that

[little berry]

The point is invalid tho

[cold sequoia]

elvira is slowly being knocked down by new monsters

[little berry]

Not really.

[inland trail]

^

[noble coral]

Magic 👑
Water ⚠️
Light 💎
Babari 💥
Remntar 💣
Zahra 🛡
Gortak 💫
Barbael 🗡
Necromancer ⚡

Lolz

[little berry]

Lol

No

Thalassa
Elvira
Magic / Remntar
Necromancer
Babari
Barbael
Zahra

[noble coral]

Nah xd

[little berry]

🤷 Are you like a magic WM extremist? I am assuming it's the only WM you prepped for...

[noble coral]

Nope

[inland trail]

Thalassa
Elvira
Necromancer
Gortak
Magic whatever his name is
Babari
Remntar
Zahra
Barbael

[noble coral]

Lol

[little berry]

Remntar is better than Gortak and Babari.

[noble coral]

Dude thalassa is 2nd magic can trest him better

:p

[little berry]

Barbael better than Zahra.

[inland trail]

[cold sequoia]

MY GOD

[inland trail]

[little berry]

Thalassa is better than Magic.

[cold sequoia]

BigNSmiley just because you like him

[noble coral]

Lol

[little berry]

Ik

[cold sequoia]

doesn't mean you can deny the fact he is weaker than thalassa

overall

[little berry]

He's gone crazy lol

[noble coral]

Im just waiting to try to fake battle vs Thalassa

[inland trail]

He is much weaker than thalassa

[little berry]

Elvira is better than Magic.

[inland trail]

Fake battle lol

[cold sequoia]

He is faster

but that doesn't mean he is the best

[little berry]

I think Remntar would tie with Magic tbh

[inland trail]

You know that the enemies in those got SG1

[little berry]

His trait is super useful

[cold sequoia]

Even Barbael is faster

that doesn't mean Barbael is better

[inland trail]

Doesn't make him better

[little berry]

Barbael is underrated.

[noble coral]

What mean True Vision, what trait is this ?

[little berry]

But yeah agreed.

[cold sequoia]

Nah he is just trash

lmao

[inland trail]

Barbael worst WM

[cold sequoia]

The only WM with tough and one trait

and no caster

sad

[little berry]

Zahra worst tho.

[mortal bay]

Is a magic wm extremist, doesn't even know what his trait does

[little berry]

Lol.

[inland trail]

[noble coral]

Lol

[little berry]

And "He's better than Thalassa"

[cold sequoia]

lmao even I like the magic wm

[noble coral]

Yes it is i will prove that until will come lool

[cold sequoia]

but I can't deny thalassa is overall at the top of the chain

[little berry]

He's good yeah, but not top 3

Balanced

Maybe joint third

[cold sequoia]

Necro might be better

[little berry]

Nah

[cold sequoia]

just for his anticipation

[inland trail]

Necro

[little berry]

Remntar is better ranked

[inland trail]

[cold sequoia]

Remntar is not better ranked :V

[little berry]

Yes he is, if their denier goes first then you can win easily.

[inland trail]

Although I lost a few battles to remntar because I forgot he has special protection lol

[cold sequoia]

I would run TT / Revive / Anti CDA /

[mortal bay]

Necro peaks at r2

Afterwards there's no difference

[little berry]

^

Remntar is third best overall imo

Depending on the team like any other tho

[cold sequoia]

Nah I say tie with necro

[little berry]

Maybe

If the necro is rank 2 then yeah

[inland trail]

Necro could potentially counter thalassa too, if paired with elvira, and if he does a TT into a denier

[cold sequoia]

^

but the stupid bot will do something stupid

[little berry]

Remmy is better than unranked necro but ranked they are pretty even

[cold sequoia]

so no one uses him ind ef

but in the upcoming online pvp

Necro def will be used a lot

@little berry r1 and r2 necro beats remmy

r3 remmy beats

r4 tie

so overall tie

[mortal bay]

Thalassa
Elvira
Sherezar
Necro
Remntar
Babari
Gortak
Zahra
Barbael

[cold sequoia]

The hell is Sherezar

[inland trail]

So 2-1 for necro = tie

[mortal bay]

Magic wm

[cold sequoia]

What a sad name...

I don't like it

Just like Babari should Be Barbari

[mortal bay]

Nah

Babari better

[little berry]

No way

Remntar is better than magic

[cold sequoia]

Imo no

[little berry]

He blocks ALL special damage

how so?

[cold sequoia]

He does have that remove effect

and CDA

torture

[inland trail]

I just disagree with gortak being so low, consider players at our level too Yami, he's extremely useful for us
Same Fore necro as most of us don't have faraday

[cold sequoia]

control

[little berry]

Gortak is underrated

[cold sequoia]

^

[little berry]

Remntar is third no doubt

[cold sequoia]

He is a better gelo

[inland trail]

For elites your list is good

[cold sequoia]

@little berry maybe tie but not better

[little berry]

Thalassa and Elvira are best though

[cold sequoia]

I mean most of the people here say this wm is OP because they have it

[little berry]

@cold sequoia He's better than Magic though, necro ties with him at a rank

immune to special is really strong

[inland trail]

Not really

[mortal bay]

There's no point for me to make a list based off of lower levels

[cold sequoia]

@little berry I am assuming you didn't see his trait and skills

[little berry]

Who's?

[mortal bay]

I shouldn't have to handicap the monsters

[little berry]

Lol

I have seen all of them

@cold sequoia

[inland trail]

If you're making lists like me where I take all levels into consideration I meant
Remember you're showing it to lower players

[cold sequoia]

Yea he practically can learn 100% deny

and he is faster than thalassa

[little berry]

He is not better

[cold sequoia]

and remove positive effect

[little berry]

loads of monsters can

[cold sequoia]

and cast torture and stupid random positive effect

[little berry]

so can Malair...

LOL

[mortal bay]

We're talking about the best monsters in the game, but you want to handicap them

[cold sequoia]

@little berry He can counter monsters wih bulwark and tough

with x2 ac

almost all new monsters have it^^

[little berry]

Uh, I know what he can do...

And remntar is overall more useful

Especially as a support

[inland trail]

That's the way you see it, but I don't see it like that
It's not handicaping them, just looking at how good they are at each stage in the game to get an overall picture

[little berry]

^ I agree

[cold sequoia]

@little berry I am assuming you have a remntar

and thats why you have a biased opinion?

[little berry]

I have both

Not Magic cuz it's not out yet obv

but I use Remntar because he's OP

[noble coral]

@mortal bay sorry your list is not good you need to change Thalassa put her 2nd

[mortal bay]

You need to stop

[noble coral]

U

[cold sequoia]

@noble coral your getting annoying

[cinder geyser]

@noble coralMAGIC ISN'T THE BEST SO JUST DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM YAMI IS TOTALLY RIGHT

[cold sequoia]

In this rate your gonna start cult

[noble coral]

U guys dont know how to compare monsters good, @cold sequoia before you watch me how i am you need to watch yourself before talk to me ok

[cold sequoia]

I don't get it?

[noble coral]

This is game get life

[cold sequoia]

what am I suppose to watch

[noble coral]

You need to watch yourself

Before talk to me personally

I think were off topic

[cold sequoia]

your not so superior to me that I need to watch myself before talking to you

your also a normal person

[worthy scroll]

I'm wondering what's the point of only nemesis chests and no dungeons now that the warmasters are out, I have a bunch on nemesis cells but there's no point on getting chests for cells, better to slowly get orbs for warmasters than ranking nemesis, warmasters are way better

[cold sequoia]

#Warmaster survival dungeon coming soon

[worthy scroll]

Is already on

[cold sequoia]

warmaster survival dungeon?

[worthy scroll]

Thalassa is still the best one

[cold sequoia]

What??

[worthy scroll]

Oh no

Nemesis lol

[mortal bay]

It's getting very boring and very annoying. It's not even funny

[cold sequoia]

^

[worthy scroll]

I'm glad the magic one is very usable at 100 due to his trait and that special, that special is very very nice

[cold sequoia]

and his extra turn

don't forget that aoe remove postive from ally and enemy

the ally part sucks

but pretty handy when your at the worst case

[worthy scroll]

Yeah the ally part is not my favorite lol

[cold sequoia]

and the single target CDA / Remove cooldown

pretty nice for a warmaster S3

[worthy scroll]

Generally when I'm at the worst case I'm done lol

[cold sequoia]

I would use the AOE to counter to elvira

and thats it

[worthy scroll]

I'll get it rank 0 for sure

[cold sequoia]

same^

[worthy scroll]

Then work on my water ones to rank 5 Thalassa

I want to put the magic warmaster on defense with remntar and neobuki and see how he does

[cold sequoia]

So my warmaster plan was to get as many wm to r0 then rank them after their blessings are gone

pretty smart

[worthy scroll]

We need those pvp replays to see the warmasters defending, would help a lot

Lol

[cold sequoia]

speaking of pvp

necro is under rated because of bot

[inland trail]

*AI

[ornate nebula]

Did I miss it :GWvertiPeepoSadMan:

[noble inlet]

^

[misty elm]

Yes, Necro is bad on defesnse, but super on offense.

Anticipation really helps him out

[gilded coyote]

I plan on running him with Babari and Remntar on defense actually

[misty elm]

🤔

[wide python]

Ok we are all players here lets keep it friendly everyone is different and has their own opinion nobody is better than another we can all play nice

[misty elm]

Depends on the rank

Should I read older posts, Mari? 😄

[gilded coyote]

Plan on 120 for all 3, but Rem and Babari 120, Necro needs at least 110

[wide python]

yep always me I come late to the party

been busy with a bug

[misty elm]

That'll take some time (and orbs) Majora 😄

[gilded coyote]

Yea I have Rem 105, Babari 120 hopefully if I clear the nemesis survival more and then I don't have necro yet he's the last to get

Remntar Babari Necro

[echo sundial]

For anyone wondering you can get aoe cda without R2

[misty elm]

Hmmm 🤔

[echo sundial]

For magic wm

[misty elm]

How?

[echo sundial]

True vision + 50% SG1 aoe cda = everyone cda

[gilded coyote]

With Necro's speed at that level he'll always go second in a typical match up against Denier/Support/Attacker, keep everyone immune to possession for skill/dmg mirror shenanigans, and if they are blocked otherwise then skill mirror will reflect it

Naturally, will be weak against Ingenica's or something, and Thalassa lol

[echo sundial]

True vision is op for Kihakus 50% too

[misty elm]

That's more likely a 75% chace to CDA

[echo sundial]

Nah

It gives precision right? That’s +50

[cinder geyser]

@gilded coyote necro needs a single life not team because he revive

[misty elm]

50% of 50 is 25, 50+25=75

[gilded coyote]

negative in my team comp, needs to help everyone stay alive to help in reflect shenanigans

[misty elm]

Too bad I won't be able to get him in time (out of orbs)

[echo sundial]

Dmed Vitako

[cinder geyser]

I got enough orbs but I will use them on thalassa

[gilded coyote]

My biggest issue, that I will perpetually have, is I have zero idea how the AI is gonna do anything with my defense .__.

[misty elm]

Yeah, I see it now

[echo sundial]

Can I get Elvira with R1 Taiga R1 Light team shop monster and a random ranked epic

[gilded coyote]

Yes

[little berry]

Easily

[echo sundial]

Which light epic

[little berry]

Kaori or Semargl could help

[echo sundial]

And which team shop light

[little berry]

You’ll want that DoT or Negate Healing

Ingvar will work

[echo sundial]

I have 600 Semargl cells so that’s good

[unreal flume]

wutt

me non here fo few hours

[echo sundial]

Urm Bg or pet? Don’t have enough coins for R1 general

[unreal flume]

some random guys talking how bad magicwm is

[little berry]

Elvira spams her Auras in the dungeon so- Negate Healing helps

[unreal flume]

just wut

[echo sundial]

Wut

[unreal flume]

should be muted from channel imo

[echo sundial]

Magic WM gets aoe 100% cda in SG1

His SG4 R1 and R3 are garbage tho

I’m gonna get Barbari/Magic/Elvira all 100 or Magic to 110

[misty elm]

Agreed on the rank 1 skill ... just what the heck ...

[unreal flume]

no

R1 is bad

only bad thing about him

and you guys dont understand

[misty elm]

I agreed on the r1 skill being garbage ...

[unreal flume]

way you are talking

devs will think he is bad

and will make him OP

so just stop it please

[misty elm]

He's definitely not bad at all

[unreal flume]

dont act childish

[misty elm]

Some of us are children ...

maybe most of us

[unreal flume]

I am

i mean i'm 16

[little berry]

I’m 17 and while I’m disappointed with the Magic WM choose not to actively complain about it

Rather I’d want to provide criticism

I think his SG4 skills should be buffed. One should be AoE two random Control skills and the other should be AoE Cursed/CDA

[misty elm]

You want another Xiron Ruby?

[drowsy jackal]

Imo, he doesn't need a buff. We don't want him to be an another Thalassa. And just like Thalassa, she was bad and then got a buff which made her unstoppable. We don't want that. PvP would be broken if he got a buff, especily when his Trait is better than Thalassa's in some cases.

[misty elm]

His trait IS better

[noble coral]

True vision gives 50% more accuracy to all allies?

[drowsy jackal]

Not sure. It says it doubles accuracy of skills. It might be 50%, just like with Zahra.

[noble coral]

🤔👍

[misty elm]

Yes, to all allies

[drowsy jackal]

Treat it like Area Presicion as an second status caster. 😅

[noble coral]

But what is will bypass hardened bulwark etc this means his skills always will hit?

[mortal bay]

It means bulwark and hardened don't work

[noble coral]

Thats not good

How do I even beat monsters while most of them are hardend and all of my monsters have this 50% accuracy and will not work

[mortal bay]

No

You're not understanding

[noble coral]

😅

Can you explain me please

[mortal bay]

The enemy monster that has a trait such as bulwark, hardened etc. That trait is ignored

If you use a skill on a monster with bulwark, there's a 50% chance that the effect will land due to bulwark

But

With true vision

[noble coral]

How is ignored?🤔

[mortal bay]

The 50% reduction from bulwark is ignored

Making the chance of landing the negative effect 100%

[noble coral]

Oh man now I understand

[slow imp]

Only negative? Not control?

[mortal bay]

Control is negative

[slow imp]

Oh

[misty elm]

Control is a negative effect ...

[mortal bay]

It's just a sub group

[noble coral]

Just a little thing, if am i blind or total blind i have chance to hit?

[mortal bay]

No, it only includes the enemy monsters chance of dodging, not your m9nsters chance of hitting

[noble coral]

I have to try this

[misty elm]

Treat it like a lesser Trait Disable

[noble coral]

Thanks 🙏 ❤️

[misty elm]

Only it doesn't disable Artifact

[noble coral]

Lol yes

[mortal bay]

Yeah, because artefact is immunity, whereas bulwark and such are reductions

[slow imp]

So all traits with percentages to not get hit such as (Orc, Demon etc) are ignored?

[mortal bay]

Yes

[misty elm]

Yep

[slow imp]

Noice

[mortal bay]

True vision has a secondary effect

If you use a skill that has a 50% chance to land the effect

Such a control dice

The chance of the effect landing is doubled

[misty elm]

So it's OP with Kihaku

[slow imp]

Not really

Recently frozen and possessed

[misty elm]

I mean it makes Kihaku become his older self 😄

[mortal bay]

Therefore any 50% skill used while you have true vision is actually 100%

[misty elm]

Recently possessed is still not a thing, so ...

[noble coral]

Wow

[slow imp]

Well it will be soon I hope

[noble coral]

Kihaku being op now

Am I dreaming now xD

[mortal bay]

+2%

[slow imp]

Very good not op

[mortal bay]

No difference

[misty elm]

Then Xiron the Ruby 😄

[slow imp]

O

[mortal bay]

And +10%

[slow imp]

Ye

[noble coral]

There's no recently possed for possession 1 turn.. i dont like recently possession its annoying like recently frozen it was good recently stunned

[unreal flume]

I mean

50% skills becoming 100% again is good, dare i say OP
i thonk we will need another skill change for gold tho

[slow imp]

Yep